How Russia Prepared for Ukraine’s Counteroffensive | WSJ
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
- As Ukraine prepares to launch its much anticipated counteroffensive on Russian forces, satellite images and videos show how Moscow has been strengthening its defense lines. British intelligence says Russia has built some of the most extensive defenses anywhere in the world with their anti-tank ditches, Dragon’s teeth and trenches.
WSJ looks at the effectiveness of the Russian defenses to understand what Ukrainian troops could face in their offensive.
0:00 Satellite images of defense
0:52 Digging defensive lines
1:27 Defensive lines, explained
2:38 Effectiveness of defense
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Слава России!!!
@@lpaybacktimel you better shout now , soon russia is not existing 😂😂😂
@@kimpedersen4746 if russia loses, it will still exist, if ukraine wins, it will be in ruins and the population are all happily living abroad
5 months later we can say Western experts should quit experting 😂
Так эти эксперты вынуждены говорить то, что хотят слышать те, кто проводят политику американского фашизма на Украине.
Если эксперты скажут иное, то их лишат работы, доходов, есть риск того, что их убьют.
Вот и вынуждены они, эти эксперты, говорить то, что хотят слышать реакционные, шовинистические круги финансового капитала США, проводящие политику открытой террористической диктатуры на Украине.
I mean this war is really interesting cuz we dont seem to understand (me aswell for awhile) that one or 2 small counteroffensives cant decide whole war these days
Same with 2022s ukraine offensives where we thought Russia will be gone, same rn where ukraine failed and we think they will fall soon since this year didnt accomplish anything for them
Both media are idiotic and the succeses are from parts we cant predict, for example Himars offensive
@@ConquestadorExplore Its really sad situation, because people are dying, its so stupid they didn't sign deal in beginning of this nonsense
@@user-yc1sk9mp1rстолько патетики про американский фашизм, но люди гибнут лишь там, куда русская свинья сунула своё рыло. Массовые захоронения гражданских видны из космоса считай возле каждого «освобождённого» рашистами города, или скорее его руин.
@@alexkon7111what deal in which nonsense?
3 months later I think we can safely say that Russia's defences worked very well. So well indeed that Ukranian forces haven't even been able to reach the first line.
They actually reached it, but ran against a freakin wall.
They reached the border of the 1st line of defense but their casualties in armour and soldiers are too high that they cannot continue and reach the city of Tomask.
@@overdrivelzma.9219 There is one location where the UAF have reached (and actually breached) the first defense line. This is in Zaporizhzhia region on the axis towards Verbove village. On the rest of the hundreds of kilometers long defense line they haven't even gotten close.
Even without the high casualty rate they would never reach Tokmak. Google "Ukraine control map" there is a good map out there with OSINT on unit positions, engagement and exact locations of fortifications.
The entirety of UAF offensive operations have taken place in the Russian security zone. An area of "no man's land" in front of the Russian lines where Rusia has been conducting a mobile defense. From the very start it has been clear (and verified by western and russian sources alike) that Russia would be more than okay with giving ground in this security zone if needed.
The fact that several months into the counter offensive the UAF still hasn't pushed all they way through this security zone is saying more than enough. They haven't even been able to recapture an area which Russia was willing to withdraw from if needed. Imagine how they are going to fare against the Russian main defensive lines which Russia is NEVER going to willingly withdraw from?
They only managed to push until the first such line in one place, they did that 2 months ago. Russia is currently on the offensive again in that specific place...
@@overdrivelzma.9219Tokmak
Correct, people forget that first line of defense is meant to be reached so they can be pounded.@@chimei-tekinaneko8318
6 months later, those defenses proved to be very effective. Those journalist are first class analysts !
And no one say about mine fields, that really stop tanks. Really, first class analysis 😂
this is just wishfull thinking in commentary of this video. everybody knew what will happen. and that ukraine will never defeat russia...
@@non9886yep, but Russia already lost in the bigger war.
@@mickeydave6528белый флаг вывесила, войска отступают? Вы там все кастрюле головые? Ваши СМИ самые честные!?😅
@@mickeydave6528нет, не проиграла. В большой войне проиграл тот кто сейчас не воюет своими руками.
5 months later, i guess we can say the defensive lines are effective.
Putin fanboy 😂
@@loco_tom Bot
@@loco_tomLearn to accept the reality instead of calling others who do so as bots. Living in constant denial and propaganda can only help you upto a certain extent but not in the long term.
@@loco_tomwhat are you, bot of nato, i dont get it.
Ukrain is over. That was obvious from day one. But propaganda and restricted information in west still saying opposite. Ukrainian people suffer only becose old western idea to control Russia, this is i think 5 or 6 attempt of whole Europe to destroy Russia, and every time result is same.
I am from Afghanistan and I must say that unfortunately the minority Ukrainians clowns turned the beautiful Ukraine into worse than Afghanistan, and for what? It’s just absurd not to be neutral between Russia and NATO. They should have been smart but hey sometimes it’s good to learn from own experience;)
"Experts say these defenses don't necessarily pose a major threat to Ukrainians". Well, that didn't age well.
Wonder on what sofa did those "experts" sit while theorizing
All these "Experts" are more wrong than right.
Ukrainian point of view: They are no thread. They just stopped us. But that's something completely different!
@@dimaker64 они просто не уточнили что "если на них не нападать"
Probably the same military experts of USA that used open source map to instruct Ukrainian troops...
I think Ukraine and Russia are missing out on a lot of war experts present in the comments below:
I don't think you want to mess with those armchair generals and their massive assumptions.
No armchair general ever lost a war. Checkmate
None of them would grab a AKM and head east lol
@@nczioox1116 No armchair general has ever been in war. Checkmate.
@@MarxStevens its a technicality joke
While the West is learning russian maps, Russia is changing the landscape.
При том вручную))
And soon, Russian troops will change Europe map.
Не все поймут😂
Здравствуй фистинг в облаках! Данжен мастер в сапогах! Пропади моя нект доо! Вот он я, вэт тюнс ми он!
Армия - не просто доброе слово, а очень быстрое дело. Так мы выигрывали все войны 🔥
So weird to watch this 5 months later after Ukraine wasted so much blood for nothing.
It was obvious this would happen and Ukraine could never defeat Russia as soon as 2022 ended and Russia has started to take it seriously, producing all they could instead of stealing all they could
Ako ze pre nic. Ved ide o pôdu co akoze kupili lichvari a chceli vzkriesit chanat. O pôdu sa bojuje Rusko o ich vlast a lichva by chcela vybudovat novy chanat.
Most funny thing that we want to make a deal with ukraine, maybe even give them Donbass. But they thought that is because we are weak and West is support them...well. wrong choise.
С другой стороны блицкрига у Вовы путина тоже не удалось
@@user-uc7yr7ql3e это неудивительно. 30 -летняя промывка русофобской пропагандой украинских мозгов дала дружные всходы, и это стало главной причиной их ожесточённого сопротивления. Вам, как я вижу, российские оппозиционеры, которых принято называть либералами, тоже промыли мозги, раз Вы так уничижительно называете нашего президента.
The Russian defensive lines are mythical...because they never reached them
America made a war in Ukraine!😡
А теперь включим логику. А почему вы до них не добрались?
@@denisgolovachev6606 там были кусты🤷♂
@@jimdigriz6210 ага. И грязь.
@@jimdigriz6210ахаххахахахахахахахахах
Three weeks later - even the anti-tank trenches weren't reached
For real, this has been a disaster. Entire armored columns pulverized by artillery, mines and KA-52s. It's a crime to send these men on these suicide charges without proper air force coverage.
😂😂😂👍👍👍
Lol
This isn't a movie. Of course it takes time. Also they were just probing across 700KM for weeks.
@@silentblackholeit is lot easy to defend as compared to advance and attack...now take that defense part with so many obstacles for the advance forces to slow down and also get killed by mines and firepower coming from russians behind those defensive lines...it is surely a suicide mission considering the fact that russians have rights to attack anywhere in ukraine but it is not the same case for ukranians...russia got air support...ukraines dont...russia funds its own war...ukraine is literally on ventilator...tomorrow if west stops the military and financial aid...very next second ukraine will surrender...u can not win a war on an AID..period
Bonjour.
Well, after six months, it is fair to say that the Russians were right and knew what they were doing. Building strong defensive lines as they did against the Germans in the Kursk battle in 1943 (at least, the Germans managed to reach the third line but they were exhausted by the toughness of the battles and the thickness of the lines) and, meanwhile, the factories were creating weapons and the militaries upgrading their weapons.
Never underestimate Russia.
Никогда не воюйте с Россией. Отто фон Бисмарк
Тут клуб юных клоунов я вижу. Ладно малыши,веселитесь
Merci à vous, Monsieur!
@@sergeygas6080 ну как там психологические приемы от Зеленского? Беременных небось мобилизуют? Ну ты жди, и до тебя доберутся военкомы
@@sergeygas6080 лучше быть клоуном в интернете чем служащим в ВСУ в мокром окопе
well those western experts were wrong, these defences are good
Putin fanboy 😂
@@loco_tomyou sent 5 the same comments… are you a human, at least?
@@aeniechkait's a bot account.
@@incrediblyintelligentman2895 oh 😅
Western experts were wrong - i just can't believe it 😂😂😂
and after 3 months we see that Russians defence is working....and all military expert has to resign
Если эксперты скажут о силе России и слабости позиций американского фашизма на Украине, то этих экспертов мгновенно лишат доходов.
На Украине сомневающихся в силе России и вовсе убивают.
They never resign, they just fail upward and get promoted to senior level
UKRAINE: But the Russians have anti-tank systems with a range of 10km.
NATO: Great, here are your tanks!
And what response of NATO you have expected? Something like "So, why do you need tanks?"
@@mareksykora779exactly. You didn't change into clean clothes if you are going to play on mud.
Why the West keeps on sending arms and ammunition but not diplomats to help Ukraine end the war is just outrageous.
Bravo
@@warnpassion Ukraine has plenty of food and energy resources. In fact, the West is now investing in Ukraine in order to seize all the resources in exchange for a loan after the surrender. And also because the loan debt is already obscenely large and without reparations Ukraine simply cannot pay it off
It appears the measures taken to create a defensive line have been effective.
It appears our western media the only effective thing they did it was lying 🤥 🤡
And after nearly two months of the Ukrainian offensive they haven't even reached the 1st defense line.
Rumors around that the first wave were just cannon fodder to test russian defences
@@shayaldwarka7907 - when it was tested, it was found that there were no more people or tanks for a real counter-attack :-) what a pity for those lives, most of them didn't even want to fight for the Kiev regime :-(
I wish the Ukr people can read this. 😅😅😅😅
See XD Surovikin line RiP
@@KillerInstinct-ch5ojhe knows enough to know Ukrainians are dying in massively. You need to pay attention.
"defences are ineffective"
If a hole in the ground made stops a 10 million dollar tank, I think that's more effective than what ever the analyst was smoking
You must not have seen the video's of quad drones dropping grenades into orc trenches.
Oh what am I saying. You are very clearly a war expert! All those war movies you have watched its a wonder both sides dont come to you for tactics!
Always seems to be the putin supporters who suffer this kind of brain rot. Must be a coincidence surely. LOL
This reminds me of operation citadel in 1943...the Russians were waiting for them too.
Well have you been wrong
A hundred dollar aluminum bridge goes across the ditch . Here come the tanks.
Funny enough, those million dollar tanks couldn't even reach the anti-tank ditch
>a military analysts who spoke to the WSJ say they're skeptical of the effectiveness of these defenses
>some military experts say these defense system don't necessarily pose a major threat to the Ukrainians
There we go. The WSJ experts have humiliated themselves with their poor grasp of the situation.
They have done so since Feb 2022
Anyone speaking sense or stressing reality was criticised as a Putin Bot as in modern times people actually believe that positive thinking and flags on social media can change reality
😂
Так эти эксперты вынуждены говорить то, что хотят слышать те, кто проводят политику американского фашизма на Украине.
Если эксперты скажут иное, то их лишат работы, доходов, есть риск того, что их убьют.
Вот и вынуждены они, эти эксперты, говорить то, что хотят слышать реакционные, шовинистические круги финансового капитала США, проводящие политику открытой террористической диктатуры на Украине.
Experts never fight never involve themeselve in War, they only read the books of heroes which was written by coward hands
Who is watching 5 months later for a quick laughter 😅
9 months is funnier. UK defence ministers have come and gone and only get more desperate and Monty python ish
Me . sadly many of " us " continue to watch the same "experts"
6 months later and western analysts can say we need to learn from the Russians their defense strategy Worked !!!!
its so incredibly impressive how fortified they made that mass of land in such short time under heavy combat. Russia knows how to fight.
It's a suicide mission for the Ukrainians
They used their shovels, axes and trenches extremely well in the face of Operation Barbarossa and Operation Typhoon to defend their cities from The Germans. Old habits die hard I guess.
@@The_Indo_Aryanthey use trench digger.
Short time ? Lol you’re funny.
@@WolfGangFXkid ☕
That last bit didn't age well. The lines near Robotyne, in Zaparozhia, were tested by continuous attacks from Armed Forces Ukraine from early June until currently, now in November, without penetrating the Surovikin Line anywhere an suffered heavy casualties as a result.
Ukie TV says 1.2m lost Inc wounded out the SMO and they are probably under reporting. Analysts have counted over 500k fresh graves
Да, только украина оставила там более 50К людей.
А у меня с Сергеем Владимировичем Суровикиным общее фото есть.Куча охраны,а Человек настолько простой!!!
@@user-gk7un3pe3v а я с Путиным за руку здоровался и ещё с Герхардом Шрëдером ;)
@@user-hm8eh6be8c Ну хоть за руку,а не за кое что другое.)))
I guess we know how effective the defense lines now.
Laugh out loud, the "experts" were dead wrong, because the counter-offensive has been a resounding failure.
There is no Russian counter-offensive this summer.
@@timbow614 I was talking about the Ukrainian counter-offensive.
you really think that they were supposed to say something truthful lol. ukraine is winning even now. no doubts. they gonna stick to it even if Russians take Kyiv.
@@sticksjke as cityzen of Russia I confirm even begining of this so called "special military operation" was blunder and inevitable strategic defeat. So in short term Ukraine is not winner too in any further developments. But long-term as part of West they will do better then inevitably degrading and decaying Russia. So WSJ will be not so far from truth.
Slava cocaine! XD
Results after 4 months after June 4th (Beginning of Counter Offensive):
- Nearly 80-90K Ukraines KIA.
- Still is in “grey zone” and unable to breach through 1st line of defence
- According to NY Times (pro-ukraine and western source), Russia has gained more land during Ukraine’s counter offensive and throughout the whole year even though they were supposed to be in defence 😂 (funny to me even though how that happened i am a neutral)
- Western nations are losing hope in Ukraine and stopped funding them
This is Russia, the nation that was the first to defeat Napoleon, defeated the Nazi Germany and saved the world. This nation has the greatest military doctrine and principles. They have also mastered the Art of Defence like no other nation.
Nah...thats Putin's propaganda. Ukrainians says that conr offensive is philosophical operation to scare Russians. Looks true enough for me
Это точно!
330,000 dead Russians. 1,000,000+ wounded Russians.
Ukraine's offense is creating "meat grinders" like Bakhmut and Avdiivka to eliminate large numbers of the enemy.
The Russians charge forward for political reasons and are slaughtered 20:1.
Ukraine attacks where they can acheive their objective or reducing the Russian army without losing their own men.
If the Russian army is nice enough to walk into the traps, Ukraine is happy to kill them while on defense and taking few losses of their own.
It's like WW1. The side with the better defense strategy and new technology wins. That's Ukraine.
Russia will send more conscripts. Who will train them? What armor will support their attacks? Russia has lost.
Untrained conscripts are only capable of making "meat wave" attacks into the robotic machine guns of the Ukrainians.
If they send more conscripts, their losses will only increase.
Весь ужас в том, что страны НАТО изначально знали, что украина проиграет. Просто задумайтесь над этим - сотни тысяч жизней.
И Наполеона и Нацистов Рейха победили в основном Украинцы, именно у них были наибольшие потери в этих войнах, пока русские сидели в тылах
ukriane even dont manage to touch that lines......... great counter offensive!
Yeah !!!
They are really SWIFT !!!😂😂😂👍👍👍
Still not near
I am from the future, the first line was pierced, and russian are sending what they have left to stop it before it's too late😊
@@mariocoronel8445 I'm from 2024 and Ukraine has sent everything they had and lost Avdivka 😂
@@mariocoronel8445 i am from the future of the future.. RIP mighty abrahams🐸
so how about them Leopard tanks?🤣🤣🤣 did the break the Russian defense yet?
As expected they burn just as well as the russian tanks.. Tanks used to be the best strat, but that time is long gone.
0:37 Gotta love these military analysts. The Surovikin line still holds strong after 6 months.
Indeed.
Now, Russian troops are attacking. Zelensky's counteroffensive now lives in his heart.
Russian don't need to follow western tactics opinions, they do it on its own pace and time..... and there you can see it... UKr still struggling to reach at least the front line of defense!!
This just in, Ukraine military took control of an obscure field in the middle of nowhere. Military experts say Russia ready to surrender at any moment.
Ukraine is in it's way to Moscow
Update: Ukraine is at the gates Of Moscow in winter
@@T-19-Enemy at the Gates 2?
The funniest thing was the experts all summer actually saying this 😂😂😂😂
😂
Defences, including mines, are not intended to prevent the enemy from crossing over, but to slow them down sufficiently to hit them with anti-tank, artillery, aircraft, drones and whatever else they have. Any slowdown in the advance at all will result in serious casualties. Vehicles are extremely vulnerable when they are stationary or moving slowly!
Этого срочно на фронт!
@@user-gp2lr7od1pна чью сторону?
@@samuraiace454 Так сразу и не скажешь. ТАкой ценный кадр нужен везде!)))
@@DedHobbit давай на сторону UA ARMY 🇺🇦? Я из Украины просто. Такие мамкины стратеги нам пригодятся.
@@samuraiace454 Блин...Нам в Россию тоже не помешал бы. Может по пол года будет арендовать его?
These defenses so far have been very effective.
It's wild seeing this type of warfare in 2023. You'd think we'd be past that
How would "we get past that"? If I'm on land you want, how else would you get me off?
Russia has always been stuck 100 years in the past
boots on the ground is the only way to take over territory
Just because there are trenches being dug doesn't mean it's WW1 bro
MatE2010
And what type of warfare would you like to prefer? AI? you do relies elites can focus more on civilians with this type of warfare as soldiers would hide at a safe distance, when wars start be about who population run low first it ain't gonna be pretty
Rolling out razor wire with bare hands ! ! Very impressive !
Caught that too
Is oligarch made razor wire. Is not sharp. All money for razor went to buy house in London.
I seen that too.
it took 15 men to film that (14 of them have no arms now). But if you think it is impressive and you are at least a little afraid of them - they think they succeeded
billions of dollars, no gloves, money being laundered
I came from the future to say that defenses worked and the analysts are wrong again.
😧!?
🎉😂
Ukraine : Hypes up counteroffensive to get PR wins
Russia : Takes the months given to them to fortify and prepare
Ukraine : What went wrong?
Who are these military analysts who said these fortifications won’t cause major problems? Ask them to go to school and start their studies again😅😅
Impressive work by the Russians, again.
Russia prepared better in 6 months alone, than Ukraine in 8 years, with all the western help...
TBF Ukrainian fortifications outside of Donetsk and Lugansk are the reason the Russians haven't made much progress there.
@@mitchyoung93 I partially disagree... If indeed there were some fortifications that helped, main reasons why Russia didn't progress are the ratio attacker/defender, the overall quantity of soldiers mobilized compared to the front"s length and the relative "restraint" of Russia. For information. In Iraq, US led coalition was more than 1M men with blatant superiority in every sector & a full control of the sky
And if Russia is shelling quite a lot indeed... it's not doing it NATO style... meaning carpet bombing from high altitude. Do you know a country attacked by NATO that 6 months after the beginning still had internet, electricity, water? In Ukraine... in Odessa, Kiev, and many many other town.... they are partying in clubs outside.
@@tiamatsmirnov938 We I mainly agree...I just watched a video of the Korean-American dude in Ukraine taking a train to Odessa* and was astonished that Kiev's central train station hasn't been touched or even the trunk lines heading into the station.
@@tiamatsmirnov938 Russia struck a lot of electric lines and power-lines. Power is low.
Here we are 4 months after the start of the counteroffensive and Ukrainians are just now reaching first line of defense. Managed to breach one but not push thru…. They are breaking their teeth the well designed and effective defense lines. Good call by the “military experts” 👎🏻
They don't even defend in towns and villages
Not yet passed the anti-tank trenches I saw on video as M 113 and Stryker at full speed were trapped in one of these anti-tank trenches ended up abandoned armored.
2 week later and Leopard CHallenger, Bradley park together 3km before the 1st line...rampage by ATGM, Ka52, Lancet, Kamikaze drone, t62 artillery style...wow expensive parking ticket.
No gloating
well, a month has passed since the beginning of the Ukrainian counteroffensive, the result for the armed forces of Ukraine is not comforting, during this time it was possible to take only 8 unknown settlements, in fact, without even reaching the first full-fledged line of defense. we all saw burning leopards and abandoned amx 10s, dozens of abandoned and destroyed Bradleys, so it was stupid of you to talk about the ineffectiveness of the Russian defense line, because, I remind you, Ukraine did not even reach these lines in a month of the offensive, although the plans were Napoleonic before the offensive, they often talked about "de-occupation" Crimea, in fact, we see a failure and mountains of corpses of Ukrainian fighters
I think if they do get F16s things may speed up but the Ukranians have made some gains, mostly in the eastern part of the southern front.
@@mango2005 твои f16 могут только против бородатых в тапочках, против эшелонированной системы ПВО и современных су35 это 0
Where did you see mountains of corpses? Did you mean on the russian side?
You are proud of terrorists? may be you are also proud of hitler ?
@@neznabohI have a brother-in-law who lives in Lviv. His friend from the high school days got drafted about a month ago. The guy was 45 yo, never served in the army. He had received two weeks of rudimentary training before being sent to the frontlines in Zaporozh'ie. The first day there, their position got shelled, and the entire squad was wiped out without even encountering a single Russian soldier. The funeral took place two weeks ago. He left behind a wife and daughter.
One month later and they haven't broken through, didn't even reach the first defensive line of Russia, still stuck in buffer zone. Further more, Russians have some offensive success in the east...
Great work, military experts!
God bless Russia everything is massive. Who dare enter in this trenches. Even America never have experience such huge line
Greatest line in human history.
The frontline is about 1000 kilometers or 625 miles long. The sheer length is unbelievable
Filled with cannon fodder
"Unbelievable" jesus man, that isnt even that long...
@@eliasziad7864 A frontline of a 625 miles...not that long... okay
@@cCiIcCo Compared to other countries, like Yemen or Syria or Libya...
@@eliasziad7864 All countries are smaller than the Ukraine and I can't remember if in any of the three the frontline was as long as in the Ukraine.
Nice to see humanity is replaying the old hits on it's farewell tour.
Show us how it's done. And please tidy up your living quarters before your departure.
Humans will never change. We have gone from wooden clubs to cruise missiles but at heart will are still just stupid monkeys that learned to use tools.
@@dixonpinfold2582 I'm met with excuse after excuse when I tell Uketards to grab a rifle and head east. Why?
@@MarxStevens Shouldn't you be in dim light inspecting elderly ammunition and rifle barrels for fitness yourself?
@@dixonpinfold2582 didn't think so 😂
8 months later this didn’t age well
Agree
*Since sufficient time has passed......notice that the Russians are contracting out much of the defensive construction with ZERO fear of attack upon the work being done.* Russia's Maginot Line is big and beautiful.....and the lack of response whilst it is being constructed screams volumes about Russia's enemy incapability. 😃
Wagner отвлек противника в Бахмуте.
Pretty effective. They blunted the offensive very well
Effective? You must not watch much of the war footage. Seems every day there is a new video of Russians getting blown up by drones dropping grenades into their trenches.
and 13 days after this video was uploaded.. ukraine has lost a bunch of bradley and leopard tanks..
@Broken_Society123 actually i dont care who wins or lose.. i just love to watch real time war movies.. but in this war.. i choose Russia bcos of the bias of "the (western) world".. if the western started it, they r the liberators.. if russian started it, they become the oppressors...take more aid ukraine and prolongs the war..
@Broken_Society123 They just lost some villages in grey zone but kept high ground around these villages. It's a suicide mission by Ukraine to keep these villages for publicity stunt, nothing else.
Only on the first line of contact, without even reaching the first line of defense. Ukrainian Greatest counter-offensive turns the greatest waste of Western money.
@Broken_Society123 Which land? Land that Russians never went in? lol
@BrokenSociety966 You later forgot that it is Russia that controls 14.3 percent of the territory of Ukraine. There are thousands of settlements under the control of Russia, and you are talking about some 5-6 villages in the gray zone, allegedly "liberated" by Ukraine in 1.5 months of the "counteroffensive".
Looking in retrospect - the russians knew very well what they were doing. And why.
Soon many people will realize, that it was like that from the very start of the war.
Funny thing is the audio is 'skeptical blah blah blah' but the video looks very impressive.
Ukrajina si vylámala zuby na línii dotyku s Ruskou armádou. Nepomohli ani západné tanky.😊
USA has forced Ukraine to return the Abrams as they fear the impact on arms sales of them facing Russia
Их спасение 149 200 Волга , частота по рации для сдачи в плен 🤙🇷🇺
@@user-ik5ob4nq8b так вроде все лагеря для уZZkих рабсиянцев давно переполнены
Ты поляк?
Da tam ne tolko zuby, tam vylomalo absolutno vse chto tolko mojlivo bylo vylomat. Zapadne tanki vsegda byli i budut bespoleznim metalom
8 ninths later and what little progress Ukraine made past the defenses in some areas has been completely undone. 100,000's of lives, hundreds of billions worth of equipment, and the destruction of the middle class in most European and American countries for nothing.
And would you believe, according to the official Ukrainian numbers they’ve only lost 30,000 troops in the entire war
@@Matt-yg8ub- Yet, now they are constantly resorting to kidnapping young men to send them to the front lines.
I guess we know how effective these defense networks were. The counter offensive is stalled
you are right.
Украинцы до них даже не дошли.
Failed says state department
There's a bunch of bridges and dead Russian conscripts that would beg to differ.. oh wait they're all dead.
@@The-KP Ukraine set the objectives to conquer back all russian occupied land.
they have shown difficulties and no significant progress made in counter offensive makes any future peace agreement that much more difficult.
if they wont negotiate peace until Russia leaves the territories... but Russia sees they are incapable of doing this through force why would Russia leave on their own.
in the end there is no way to spin this either this war goes on for decades to try to achieve an breakthrough or any realistic peace agreement would include some land.
Они даже не дошли до первой линии обороны. Понесли огромные потери. Процесс денацификации, демилитаризации продолжается успешно.
бензин ще не подорожчав?
@@velonuclid , в бессильной злобе надумаете себе перемоги и сами в них свято верите.
3 weeks into UA counter offensive... nothing gained... so defense line proved to be succesfull ::)
They havnt even reached the defense line
@@Nikita-qx8os exactly 😂
@@communist754 HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAHAHAHA
And the Ukrainian counteroffensive was nothing but a complete failure lol.
Guess those challengers and Leopard tanks ultimately haven't worked out eh... great use of tax money 👍
Hmmmm..... this didn't age so well.
Aged like milk
Aged like vodka.
These defenses make it difficult for movement to happen in *both* directions. And that says something about Russian strategy. It says they aren't as concerned with advancing as they are with holding. They are willing to let the Ukrainians exhaust themselves trying to breach the their defenses.
Indeed. Why move forward when the enemy comes to you and blows up while you watch....
Вауу! ты так хорошо объеснил.😊
Ukrainian men and western economic will break down on these fortifications. Time is with Russia I think.
Very true
@@petermuller7681still waiting for them to get to the Azov sea
The Western world is losing this war so shamefully
Why the West keeps on sending arms and ammunition but not diplomats to help Ukraine end the war is just outrageous.
@@warnpassion the West does not care about Ukraine. In this war, they saw a good opportunity to oust Putin. which is their long-held dream. as you can see, it didn't work. and their interest in Ukraine is falling
Русские военные это не аборигены в тапках! ☝️
Yeah, and made relations with Russia about 10 million times worse than they've been in decades. NATO couldn't be more wrong if they think Russia is going to just forget about the billions of dollars that got put up against them.
Ukraine was never America's business. Now look at the situation - an obscene amount of money wasted, an even more upset Russia, and a lot of dead volunteers, many of them veterans of America. Way to go Joe!
This video aged like milk.
Well said
Three lines of defence. All nato military analysts were laughing and trying to downplay the quality and the scope of these defensive lines... Well now some six months and 200 billions of Western equipment later they are tying to copy from Russkies so as Elensky will save whatever he can save ... Elensky's army did not reach the first defensive line
Через 6 месяцев так смешно всё это слушать - "Украинцы смогут преодолеть, смогут обойти..." Какие же вы все тупые инфантильные дети ))
I agree with you we in the west are not just stupid but arrogantly ignorant
6 months on and I’m wondering how those so-called “experts” and their bold predictions are holding up…😂
So. 5 months later.. How's it going?
Great! The Russians have gone on the offensive!
@@user-hk1qn9ue2t That was my point. :D And i am really happy
😂😂😂 now we know for sure this defense are effective
Those trenches look wayyy more comfortable than the WW1 trenches we see on TV. Must be the power tools we have available nowadays that look for better and more comfortable construction. (that they are newly built probably helps too)
Yea, but did you know now the German Wehacht dealt with French fortifications world war 2? They simply when around it.
@@mandarinandthetenrings2201 Yup, it is basic history taught at a very low level
@@John_Smith_86 Vladimir Putin no General this defensives and his war is a total joke.
@@mandarinandthetenrings2201 Your English is quite poor
I imagine they were miserable to be in during rain and mud season.
I'd love to meet some of these defense analysts and hear about their experiences in the trenches.
Yes the old authority Argument.
I dont need to be a Veteran or expert to point certain things out...
There are online bets on what people think is going to happen.
@@dalton6108 where
@@ReptilianAnusWizzard What happens when the police force is run by people with zero field experience? Sweden happens.
@@ymx7947 what happens when you put up a Strawman like this? 🐃💩 happens
This aged well...😂😂
Russia is laughing, NATO is crying, Ukraine is dying.
The worst thing about these lines is that the Ukrainians were never able to reach them during their offensive
3 month later, I'm still laughing at the scepticism of defense efficienty..
Want to hear a joke??
'Western Expert' .
Lol😂 how about now? I'm not actually laughing too horrible for ukrainians who was thrown into that mean grinder for nothing
Eight weeks later, still zero progress has been made. We are waiting now for seven months for the big Ukraine offence and all we saw were lots of western tanks driving in minefields or just get blown up by drones. At that point we should agree on that it really does not matter how many war gear we deliver to UKr.
Украина :сейчас мы будем наступать и уничтожим Русские войска, дайте техники.
Так-же Украина :ой, Русские выстроили, самую сильную оборону всех времён. Так не честно 😢
@@user-cm1uu6zq3kКляти москали опять обманули!
Вот если бы не защищались мы бы их... Ухх😂
Time to write this article again! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They are busy with crying.
THE COUNTER-OFFENSIVE CONSISTED OF TAKING 6 VILLAGES IN WHICH THERE WERE NO RUSSIAN SOLDIERS, AND REPEATING IN THE MEDIA THAT THIS IS A GREAT SUCCESS.
God bless Russia, we are with you all the way! 🇮🇳❤🇷🇺
Russia brutally attacted Ukrain. Ukrain DIDN'T attack Russia! Why are you supporting a brutal aggressor? 😢
@@Justwantahover NATO is encroaching Russia by expansion, so Russia is doing the right thing to balance power, Ukraine and Russia co-existed peaceful its the west who fanned the fire!
@@Justwantahoverbutthurt🤯
@@Justwantahoverfirst this is war nato against Russia on ukrain soil with ukrainian blood.
War started 2014-2016 after maidan cup organised by west.
From that day every citizen of ukrain who are Russian on language or national orientation are in big problem.
So Russia didn't attack ukrain to get land, but to save own people. What will do usa in same case.
West brutally attack many countries from 1945 until now, for resurs or global control, not to save own people there, and what is that democracy i dont get it, pls explain me.
Corea war, Vietnam, lot of wars in Africa, libia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Serbia, Bosnia, siriya, now war against Palestinian people. In ukrain west is deeply involved.
Why your country need that, tell me, do you need.
The peacefulness of the Russian Federation knows no bounds!😇
Interesting are those "experts" are still sceptical?
Yes. Most people read about the Siegfried Line that was supposed to defend Germany in WW2. Well designed. The problems were that Germany was short on firepower so many of the heavy defensive weapons had been moved to German fortifications in Normandy. The US did not know that. Today, surveillance and intelligence gathering is much better.
Yeah it all goes back to the 2 front war. If the line was actually supported properly, the allied advances would have taken much longer or would have been stalled.
P
France did the same thing ... the marginal line, ... it didn't work.
@@tea4223 yeah but was built for ww1 technology and the tanks 20 years later just rolled by
@@alleystargrowley2784 yes and no, there were forts in Belgium that the French were supposed to be using, but the Germans won the diplomacy war and got the weak King of Belgium to deny access to the French army. By the time they were allowed back it was too late and the French army was too disorganized to mount a perfect defense. The breakthrough at Sedan was all that was needed to cut the allies off from the rest of the lines and trap them against the ocean. Sedan's fortifications were too weak because a miscalculation in how difficult for the terrain would be for armored units to cross. By the time the mistake was discovered it was too late to do much (the estimates were 60 hours to cross the river, the Germans ended up doing it in 57).
Let's say a huge well done to Russia 🇷🇺, they are still preventing the west from breaking through
Western intelligence is a contradiction of terms.
They have belittled, denigrated and underestimated Russia.
Ukrainian troops have watched their own TikTok movies and believed that they were invincible with fancy uniforms and wunderwaffe.
6 months later, Ukraine has not crossed single defensive line.
The defensive lines have been very effective.
I love the last sentence: "If Ukraine attacks defensive lines, which are not sufficiently protected, Ukrainians will be able to bypass the obstacles with Western Challengers and Leopards." Apart from the bad iterative English "Ukraine, Ukrainians" "Western Challengers and Leopard", this also does not make any sense. If these static objects are not defended by humans, even a human with nothing on him or her can stroll past them. They seem to have had not much confidence in their Wunder weapons and those Ukrainians - and rightfully so.
And here we are, into the third week of the offensive and no Ukrainian troopers have seen this line, it's still 10 KM away.
(SpongeBob voice). 4 Weeks Later..........
Ukraine is unable to break Russian defensive lines LOL
they are unable even reach them
ni siquiera se acercado a las lineas defensivas principales..
😂😂😂 yup these defense dun post a threat to the Ukraine. Is 3 mth and Ukrainian hasnt even reach them, so technically it post no threat 😂😂😂
On average, 1,336 people enter into a contract in Russia per day, that is, every day we "get a regiment" - Shoigu. "In fact, by the end of June we will complete the formation of the reserve army and in the near future we will complete the formation of the army corps, they will receive more than 3.7 thousand units of equipment," Shoigu said.
Apparently, there will be no mobilization in Russia
Well, those Leopards didn't even close to the defensive lines. Wrecked at 100 miles from the lines. 😂
I thought Russia was “running out of ammo.” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Y’all found those “WMDs” in iraq yet?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Aged like fine wine
As we see the Russians built a fantastic defense line crushing basically every attempt of NATO to break through.
NATO wouldn't have gave them the time to build a defensive line lol
@@jonathanmayes that is assuming NATO would perform better than the Ukrainians. Futile assumption
It isn't occupied it's liberated. Fixed it for you.
Russia is not occupying this region, IT IS Russia.
Z 🇷🇺
Seeing as this IS Russia ((( ??? ))), pretty cool how Ukraine tricked the orcs into expending extreme effort tearing up their land with trenches and scattering uncountable land mines. So let's review what the orcs got for their trillion euros war ::: 1.) a bunch of destroyed cities ala' Mariupol and Bahkmut ((( sorry, they don't really have Bahkmut, they just have some Special Military Fodder evaporating away, soon to be completely surrounded ))) 2.) they have a band of mined defensive regions that are of no use other than to occupy and freeze to death in the open air, 3.) they have half of their allegedly """ annexed """ land that they have sealed themselves off from. Well at least they deNazified ... oh wait, they never said how many alleged Nazis there were. In between reports of having destroyed each fighter jet twice, each HIMARS piece 3.5 times, I haven't heard of a neutralized Nazis count ... of course if they only got one, they wouldn't want to say.
Boris Johnson needs to be at the helm of the lead tank.
Inside the tank gun to be precise.
It would be the most hairy tank
Defensive line are made not to block the offensive force but to slow down the movement while neutralizing the obstacles.. while the defensive force have time to destroy as many as they can the offensive force… either with artilery, mortar, multiple rocket launcher or even mine and anti tank
🤡
How well did that work out for Saddam Hussein?
Welp it just worked so well just a couple of days ago 😂
And they didn't even crossed the first line of defense 😅
@@williammasselink Taliban improved on Saddam plan.
@William Masselink saddam didn't have air superiority or to make the airspace contested, all his defenses were mostly against ground forces, this is different, neither side has air superiority and is mostly a ground war
Those shovels really worked!!!’
How is the so called “counter offensive” going?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No Ukranian has ever reached those defence lines, they're mythical.