AR Upgrades everyone should consider!
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- In this Hatchet Cast Episode, Eric & Roy discuss the AR upgrades that they run or change out on every system that they run, join us in this conversation as we dive into the different ways you can beef up your tools. Intro video was edited by RETRODIGITALMEDIA!!
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Awesome damn content. Anyone have any suggestions for a qd option for the magpul piccattinny bipod? I tried the three slot kinetic development but Christ there has to be another option.
Idk what it would be but there has to be a picatinny to atlas adapter that you could attach the mahout bipod to and then attach that to an arisaka rail slider. I have an arisaka rail slider for my atlas and love it. Move it between all my rifles.
@@hdub6527 I shoulda got the damn 17s I friggin knew it when I ordered it but Magpul won’t just send the top part for me to switch it out. But Midwest industries has a pretty legit one for about the same price of the bipod but will work.
A lil funky and kinda adds like 1.5" to the base height but the budget way I did is a magpul mlok to pic rail piece at the end of my rail, and then paired a picatinny magpul bipod with a picatinny QD off amazon. The expensive and less height adding way is using a ADM Mlok to picatinny QD adapter and pairing it with a mlok magpul bipod.
I pulled my kenetic development qd deal.. got really frustrated with it.. running a 3 slot aluminum picatinny to a qd picatinny to picatinny. My magpull bipod is the picatinny version. Adds more height than the KD qd deal but it is a reasonably priced strong lockup that works much better.
@@wongkeebs4327 I did the same thing lol and the cheap Amazon price works but you know how it is lol.
Could really use a timestamp summary of upgrades!
So get to it!
4:39 is when he coughs so hard he turns the table clear
@@biggreenangryman1904😂😂
@@biggreenangryman1904😂😂
Ok, I added everything you guys mentioned. My rifle weighs 30lbs now but it looks cool 😎 👌
It’s part of our secret plan to also make strong shooters
Exactly. If I wanted to tote that much weight I’d get a .308.😮
@@jmcrae825my .308 is 10# with LPVO..
@@barrelandhatchet Bro heard about pindad rifle ?
@@barrelandhatchet pindad rifle it's will hurt lot
Intro is the realest and I’m riding wit my guys holding the line in the front line 💪🏾
I love the good ol a2 stock for carrying a cleaning kit, a Magpul MIAD grip to carry batteries, but seeing that sling with that pocket is enough to make me wanna get one as soon as I can
You can never have enough room for carrying the little stuff, especially when it's attached to the rifle, where it won't disappear if my backpack were to not be with me, or my gun bag
True true and yeah extra storage is a lifesaver
These intro’s are no joke 😭😭
Having an extra bolt and extra batteries in your grip is a must!
I started doing this before it was cool. I run a few gas rings too. Had a few blow apart when first training my AR
We just carry an extra full bcg with us. A helluva lot quicker to swap that out than it is to dick around with just the bolt. Worry about that when you make it back to camp/HQ!
Same goes for a spare standard charging handle. Nothing fancy with the temporary replacements, just need them to work until you are out of the shit!
I've never had a bolt fail. In 16 years full of deployments, I never saw a bolt fail.
@@WhiteDragonSecurity
Yeah, ok.
@@thefrogking481good for you but any mechanical part can fail
I really appreciate how thorough and detailed you guys break down your setups. And as a former USMC Force Recon Scout Sniper my favorite snack are the Red Crayons. You two keep up the good work. Your putting out good practical and functional intel. SEMPER FI!!
When you guys said SOLGW bolt carrier, I gave a huge fist pump of excitement. I put their BCG in my AR a few years ago with no experience or reviews with their BCG and it runs flawlessly!!!
Well ya it's in the enormous list of high quality bolts lol but nothing really special like a KAC, LMT, Surefire or Geissele BCG
@KTW I’d say Geissele is a step above Solgw
I hope you guys know that Ballistic Advantage and Rosco make most of the SOLGW BCGs and Barrels!
@Makeveli Customs They are contractor for them, they make them to their high quality requirements. The contractors own brand isn't held to the same standard.
@KTW they are great, just not the best lol
SOLGW are in the list of best BCG that u can't go wrong with, but they aren't at the top it's not that big of a deal lol
You guys basically described an LMT MARS-L MRP rifle in all you descriptions. Great video.. great info guys. Thank you.
The intro is proof that there is no silent way to chamber a round 🤣
A true use for the forward assist ... just sayin'
@@corwinchristensen260this guy gets it
I skipped ahead in the video. Heard him say “you can store your extra bolt in your prisión pocket” and died laughing. Went back to the beginning 4:45 and realized it was a sling attachment 😂
My ears perked up when you guys said central florida lol, glad that there's more like-minded people in the CF area. Keep it up!
There is an add on Illuminator that attaches to the Trijicon TA31 ACOG. The REM ACOG (Reticle Enhancement Module). It basically turns your TA31 into a TA02. It also covers half of the fiber optic so it helps reduce that reticle bloom in bright daylight. You will never have to buy chemlights anymore or need to replace the tritium. It is made of 30% glass filled polymer just like the AR pistol grips. Great Upgrade to the TA31.
Data on the bottom of screen is great.
Awesome we will keep doing that!
X2 it's nice to see written out, could also take a screen shot for a quick reference
Definitely useful information here for everyone at all levels thanks men. I’m old school black rifle men. My old Dragon Colt M-16 is now a show piece. AR platforms evolve quickly and it’s always important to stay on top
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@@AA-pi5ui From San Juan to Bayamon, I'm the Don Juan beside the Don
Live long, get your party on🇵🇷🇺🇸
That opening is fire as fuck!! Makes me miss recon!! Much love love fellas.
Thanks for the support!!
@Barrel & Hatchet no doubt, when the rds starting flying all I could think is BREAK CONTACT!! LOL ✊🏾
Really enjoyed this video and I subbed after this one video. Your honesty showed through and your multiple invitations to come train is exactly what the 2a community needs. Training is priceless and can't be obtained by buying equipment. You have to get the time on each piece of equipment and it starts with yourself.
Thank you guys! I'm lookin forward to watching more of your content.
I'm new to the AR world but JB convinced me to buy 2 and I went with LaRue triggers and super happy with them. Thanks Joey.
My Felonious brother always told me about a Prison Pocket, his had a different meaning though...
The Midwest industries combat rails are pretty nice. Fits right up to the upper receiver and has the little tangs so it doesn’t twist. And it’s around the 150-200 range
The larue is made from tool steel. This is a good thing. Excellent setup.
My cousin just got one in a trade.
As a lefty, ran BAD levers forever, a few years ago spent the money on a santan lower and have never looked back. Can shoot both handed and never be without controls. What a great upgrade that was.
I just finished a san tan matched set build. Is BY FAR my most expensive build but dear lord it is perfect. Would definitely do it again.
For a quickly detachable bipod, I've been using the old GI-style clamp-on bipod. I just clamped it to a bottom rail section instead of the barrel. It comes off just by squeezing.
This video is timed perfect. I just got an AR and have not bought ANY accessories yet . It’s bone stock and needs outfitted with everything. This video was super helpful. Thanks
Right on
@@barrelandhatchet my son is stationed at Eglin/ Hurlburt in the panhandle . I visit him as much as I can. He trains in his off time at Element in Hoke.
I would sure like to bring him to your place. How far is it to your place from Destin area.
My only advice to you would be to listen to men who've been deployed, not a LARP'r on a video.
Any mil spec rifle will serve you well.
Remember, it's the indian and not the arrow.
You can easily spend thousands on useless gear, or you can spend that money on ammo and good training....
Ask yourself this:
Are you gonna be deployed to some shithole to fight where your enemy is highly trained?
No, chances are your rifle will be used to plink with and hopefully never be pointed at another man.
Keep it simple, ounces equal pounds, pounds equal pain.
It’s going to get crazy as various governments throughout the country move to ban theses weapons! Things are about to go sideways shortly! Good information!
These guys are amazing. This video is super informative. Thank you for taking the time to create quality content.
I run both Geissele and Radian charging handles. They're both awesome.
Absolutely loved watching your breakdown here. Thanks for the awesome content!
Glad you enjoyed it! thanks for the support! and welcome to the community
Wow. Never seen you guys, but love the intro. Very flannel daddy but more serious. Nice.
Glad to hear ape defense getting a shout out!
those homies at APE are legit
Excellent information that will save new shooters money on their purchases. You cant go wrong with any item these gentlemen suggested. I like a pistol grip thats more vertical as well. The best one I have found has been the beavertail vertical crossover grip by Driven Arms. Its the bee's knees especially if you have bigger hands. Thier smaller ultralight compact grip is excellent as well. Although there are several great options out there, my favorite charging handle is made by Badger Ordinance along with their ambi safeties. Still to this day, its hard to beat the Magpul CTR stocks because of the economical and well fitted risers. To each their own, but when the optic is raised the face must rise with it if consistency is important to you. No matter your preference, consistency is an important part of accuracy. Thank you gentlemen for taking the time to put this info out. You gained a new subscriber.
Thank you so much for your input. They are beneficial to the Barrel And Hatchet community and thank you so much for your support welcome!
Four of my favorite add-ones for my “go-to” AR is the YHM integrally suppressed upper (5.56mm), the Steiner T332 3x scope, the Geissele Super Semi Auto trigger, and the LaRue RAT stock with built in cleaning rods. The rubberized Magpul pistol grip holds my paperwork.
hey thats actually a good idea
Yes, Zev bought Mega Arms. Thankfully, they've finally started releasing Mega Arms branded receivers again, instead of just the Zev branded receivers.
The fact that im only an hour or two away from these dope guys is an honor hope to see you guys one of these days. Hellos from Bradenton!
I think the intro is my favorite part
yeah our new cinematographer has been a great addition to the team
@@barrelandhatchet shoot I need one like them for my other channel ….still live the vids though btw 😂
I have Surefire, Streamlight and Cloud Defense lights and they all have their own place, based on needs and costs! They’ve all functioned well and fill their respective roles very well!
I just picked up the Short V1 and Long V1 from Goonbeam. Compared to the Modlite OKW, I gotta say I don't see myself going with Streamlight, Surefire, Cloud, and definitely not Modlite in the future when it comes to white light options.
Just grabbed a PSA Sabre 2-Stage. I was super impressed for $80. Reset is slightly better on my Geissele’s but I don’t think it’s enough to justify the cost.
The G$ BCG (Reliability Enhanced) is wildly expensive, but imo is the real deal. The coating on mine does not seem to wear. Like it has no wear marks. The bolt has, of the BCGs I have, the tightest tolerances in terms of gas rings and headspacing. I wish you could buy those bolts individually (G$ does sell individual bolts, but they are not the same as the RE bolts).
You guys should do a video on the IR devices most civilians don’t understand the set ups
10-4 that.
Great podcast! I love how you broke down the thought process behind each item of the rifle. What's your experience on using a pencil profile barrel? I'm considering that for a heavy training build.
We don’t recommend Hensel barrels due to inconsistency when the barrel heats up after consistent shooting, for distance shots past 200 yards if you are looking to save weight, I would save weight on other items on the Rifle, but not the barrel
Check out ROSCO, centurion, Daniel Defense, SOLGW, tons of options out there. Centurion and Daniel being the pricier options
You guy's should really check out the PDQ lever ambidextrous bolt release it's like 65 bucks I build all of mine out with it!!!!
And the solgw bcg is a Microbest bcg as far as I know
Wo - just came across your channel! Don't know how I have missed it but it is some good shiz!! Great information and content - thank you 🤘🏼
First time seeing one of your videos…. Really loved it! Great content from real end users. I subscribed to your channel and your instagrams!
This video was awesome, thank you for the input and time. I always had radian charging handles might try a Gizzle lol
Welcome to the community and thank you so much for your support
Good stuff. I’ve also run SSA or SSAE triggers forever but recently tried the LaRue MDT and it’s solid. Not as clean, especially on the reset, but it’s great for the money.
Definitely check those mlock nuts to make sure they actually turned and locked in. I’ve had a light flop off because I didn’t.
Thanks for sharing
For the LaRue MBT, if you use the "extra power" spring in place of the standard spring, it supposedly mostly strengthens the reset to make it more affirmative. I use the std spring in my MBTs and haven't ever used a Geissele so I don't know if the extra power spring will make it more like a Geissele on the reset. But that's what online chatter says.
@@seanoneil277 I’ve heard that too but the standard spring has been working fine for me. Reset is good. No light primer strikes and I mostly shot milspec 855 and 193 with harder primers.
@@GoldenwithaleashYeah it's a great trigger and gets better after 1k or 1.5k rounds/cycles. "Better" being smoother, faster.
It’s guys like this, and a lot of guys watching, who have practicality in mind that truly make me feel bad for any country that ever tried to invade the United States, I’d like to see them try 🇺🇸
I have that Magpul ‘riser’ for the CTR..and it’s got its place for sure. Me, I have a lower-mounted scope on THAT particular AR..so it’s not needed. The adjustment/setting virtually doesn’t change on this stock..generally shooting ‘long-range’ anyway with it..not “running & gunning”. ALWAYS, get a LPK, and extra bolt as mentioned..
Thanks guys!
Great advice.
We all have our favorite grips. I used to have BCM Gunfighter Mod0 Grips on all my battle rifles. Then I tried a grip at the recommendation of a cousin who was a SEAL. Yes my family is exceedingly proud of him. He said to check out the LaRue A-Peg Grip. Now I have this grip on almost all of my roughly 20 semi-auto battle rifles. LARUE A-PEG GRIP IS AMAZING
Gentlemen, great video! This is the first time I’ve heard of y’all. I did subscribe. Thanks for the great info!
I’m still trying to figure out what a “ left handed sling is “.
Think they're referring to quick adjustable slings.. 🤷♂️
Really one of the best videos I’ve seen. Excellent job guys!
just found this channel and this is good stuff, subscribed!
Geiselle triggers: I've owned the SSA (2), SSAE, G2S triggers and have run them through monthly competitions, as well as 4 courses. Amazing and flawless.
Aimpoint: I've owned the T2 (3), COMP M4S, PRO, and H1. The PRO wasn't amazing but every other model was an absolute work horse. The comp m4s is my fav. The T2 was on my duty rifle.
SureFire: Owned X300U (4), m600DF (2), and one m300, Fury, Fury intelibeam. Never once had an issue. Amazing lights. Ran them in many competitions and as a patrol light for pistol, rifle, and handheld.
I have PVS 14s and PVS 30s. PVS 14s are great for clearing house. But I have to admit in almost every other situation thermal scopes rule the night. Things have changed. The new Thermal tool is superior in many night settings.
fusion tech will be the future
I actually really like Magpuls Claw Qd attachment because it locks and can still be quickly removed with one hand and I've had those ball bearings on Regular Qd Mount fail on me or brush up against a wall accidentally and it disconnect while doing a drill
A bit driver w/ all the bits you need for all of the screws on your rifle is good to carry.
So is a paint can opener to pull out any stuck cases.
And, if your not ising Loctite's primer with any Loctite younput on your rifle, switch to VC3 because it doesn't need a primer and isn't expensive.
Loctite needs a primer if the metal is coated in any way.
Talking about the hodge defense rail attachment types at 31:17 but yet clip shows you shooting a KAC Rail but talking about the S/Lock
Got tired while editing.
As far as slings go, I now exclusively run the T.Rex Arms 2pt in the reverse throw configuration, once you get used to pulling up to tighten the sling, down to loosen, it makes so much more sense than the traditional 2pt setting
Not a bad sling at all.
It really depends on what a guy likes, I've ran a standard Blue Force for years, it works for me.
Its more about what works for you than a specific brand.
@@thefrogking481True, and I am glad that Trex makes a good sling and that it helps me support their work.
The reverse throw concept was stolen from Advanced Gunslinger Armament HIT sling.
Stolen might be harsh, inspired by might be more accurate.
@apersonontheinternet8006 I'll have to check them out dude, tbh, I am baffled as to why we don't see more companies offering the reverse throw configuration
@@MaverickHeloPilot orientation is patented. Many companies were offered licenses but passed.
The dust cover is awesome and cheap. Reduces weight too. 👍
I can't wait to move back home to Tampa. I came to shoot at the range once and really liked it. It would be great to do some classes and meet all you guys. Great content and information! Keep pushing the videos out.
Also is your shop an FFL? I currently live in Virginia after getting out the Army, but I still have to transfer lowers and rifles to a Florida shop because I'm not switching my license over to VA.
For a 16” .308 I run an A5 tube, Geissele super 42 braided rifle spring and areo H1 buffer and it runs like butter. For my AR-15 platform I’ve done the same set up or the regular A5 spring with a A5-H2 buffer with criterion barrels and it is smooth as well
I run nothing but CMT rails. Solid product. Solid company. 100% reccomend. Very few manufacturers produce 7075 T6 aluminum rails, but CMT does.
Learning that you are in Florida earned my Sub. Im in the Panhandle, Destin /FWB area.
Bg definition the shirt throw safety is faster compared to a graduation 90. Love the videos keep ‘em coming!
From n old 0311. Thpthpthpthp. LOL. " Semper Fi!" $Excellent video and I"am astounded at all of those upgrades and how far the M-16 has progressed over the three and hlf decades I since issued one. I hail from back to the M-16A1, the M-16A2.
One thing that makes me confident in the BCM I fell into is that people always mention it as an alternative. I don't trust guntubers anymore than ffl's as far as their primary recommendation goes (I just assume it's bought and paid for)
BCM isn't at the top of anybodys list, but it's always in the top 5
I heard A Bunch of Seals swear by it... GBRS group included
BCM is as solid as it gets. I’d put it up against anything else out there. My 14.5 middy is capable of 1/4 moa groups and I shoot about a .7 moa average group with Mk262-c
Edited to add: BCM has been at the top of my list for about a decade I think. Not that I’m anyone whose opinion matters
I respect BCM as they’ve said if any state was to ban ARs to civilians they will no longer sell to that states agencies. They believe in the 2nd amendment and any company that actually proves that has my vote of confidence.
Lube in your "prison pocket," that definitely got this video flagged. Thanks, great video!
My SOLGW bolt carrier was 127 on sale.
PS. Goonbeam because Modlite can kick sand, and Streamlight needs a little more juice. PDG heads are good too, and Zbolt looks nice for LEP options.
I like your style and I’m relatively close, in GA. I’ll come get some training. Really interested in NV and bucket set up. 👍
I run the LaRue MBT-2s as well. I have the flat faced one. Got it for $80 and then sold my Geissele SSA-E. Love the Geissele triggers but there are so many more affordable options that are just as good. The $240 price tag just isn’t worth what you get anymore. He’s riding thunder from 10+ yea ago still. He could be selling them for $120-$140 and I might feel a little differently about it. But I’d still choose a LaRue MBT for $80-$100 all day even if the SSA-E was half its current price.
The ALG Defense Combat Trigger is single stage tuned trigger. for around 65.00 with two sets of springs one around 6 pounds for duty and one 2.5 -3 pounds. I’ve been running the light spring for 5 years no problems. for me its the best single stage budget trigger.
Best advise ever at 13:01. Excellent video guys. Subscribed.
You just earned yourself another sub great content 👍
thanks for the support and welcome to the community
liking the frequency of these videos. some b roll of the products would be nice or still images.
noted
Y’all speak facts 🙏🏽awesome vibes good laugh 😂
thanks for the love and welcome to the community
Just got my firs RF15 this week. Very excited to build it😁😁😁
Love the video version of theses podcast
Running a larue on one of my ARs it's definitely a great trigger at a great price
Great stuff.. it would be awesome to put some links to products..
Nice I run the CLENZOIL. It’s great!
If you ever have the chance to see it, Bill Blowers runs a Norgon that he extended with some JB Weld. It was a pretty slick mod.
I learned the dust cover thing the hard way. It was a Buck Doyle Scoped Carbine class and he doesn’t pick places without wind. So yeah, 30 know full value wind with some sand. Yeah that makes a mess quick.
Good stuff, gents!
Have you guys had any dealings with a company called Unbranded AR . They sell a stripped Ambi lower that is very reasonable priced. I have not messed with them myself but I plan on ordering a few lowers.
have not heard of them, send a link
First a free floating firearm and a Geissele two stage trigger, then, an ACOG, and supply of Mk262 ammo followed by some marksmanship training from the USAMU via Small Arms Firing School.
PWS Mk114 Mod2 with rugged radiant 762 with the 556 flash hider, cloud defensive rein 3.0 and soy tango msr 1-10 FFP has been a coyote smacking machine here in Ohio for me.
Thumbs up for the CD Rein. Dope guys with dope lights.
Nice I run a MK111 MOD 2 with CD Rein 3.0. Phenomenal weapon light IMO the best out there.
I'm in Vero Beach.
well hello there, come train with us
Fantastic presentation guys - I wish I was in FL I would hit you guys up.
thug love and thanks fore the support, maybe we will see you in a class one day
46:06 print your mags, buy your springs (I went crazy when the gulag of Washington of the soviet republic of the west coast made a law saying I had to print 16 of any mag for any weapon I may ever want. Homadesprings can work, but take time to learn and make and I still can't pop the follower)
"gizzle me this" that's fricking funny dude 😂
Shoving extra lube in the prison pocket is certainly something I didn't expect when I clicked on this. lol. Good video, dudes.
There are so many good quality companies. Say you get an xl upper from Aero Precision b/c u building a 6.5 grendel. Perfect cause the ejection port is just a tiny bit wider & will eject the slightly fatter brass w/o even thinking it might jam. hand rail using a one of a kind securing system. & extremely tough while estheticly pleasing, which also mounts very securely to a high shelf Griffin lower😊. And Griffin also makes SEVERAL muzzle devices from breaks & hybrids to full on spec-ops proven suppressors.😂 I'm enjoying your opinions & discussion. Lol & KNOWING geisslel and surefire AREN'T the end all & be all. And I totally run streamlights when I can. I used sure fire & streamlight in early iraq. I never had a bad streamlight & I chose especially rechargeable. Still have one from06"! I'm glad to have run across you fellas, I'm ur newest subscriber 👌
“Aye lemme get one of those gizzles”
Me: Ayyyoooo🤣🤣🤣🤣
I got a BCM A5 tube for its inferiority. Ill explain: the Vltor comes with numbers on the tube for repeatable positioning of the stock. Its on all my guns EXCEPT my retro AR, i didnt want the numbers so i slapped a BCM tube on there since it looked more in-line with a psuedo-80s build.
I'm 6'3" and was in the Marines before I was in the Army. I prefer the length of pull of the A2 rifle stock over the collapsible stocks. So when I decide to purchase an AR I'm going with an A2 lower set-up with a mid length upper. If anyone else runs that kind of set-up let me know how you like it and how it runs
You guys are informative in a very entertaining way 😁👍
Thank you 😁
I like the PRI Gas Buster charging handle, Sharps Bro Live Wire lower(Ambi), Midwest Ind G4 handguard or Cross Machine, Barrel: 14.5in DD lightweight/ Faxon/Criterion, BCG: Griffin or SOLGW w/ Sharps enhanced bolt. Great advice for anyone wanting a good quality rifle. I prefer to build than buy already built. My experience with warranty is just make sure to buy from good companies with quality reputation.
Solid info guys keep it going 👍👍🔥
thanks for the love
Great video gents! Bravo on this one!
You can for sure pickup a stack of geissele triggers for 145 beans a peach when they go on sale. Their full strength spring reliability can't be beat, not that there's anything wrong with larue, but geissele have stood the tests of time.