Exactly... AND WHY ? Climate change madness. Why would I pay for unproven tech that hasn't been ironed out ? Instead they have turned the public into their test bench. We pay and suffer the consequences of their poor products. ENOUGH.
Why can't we just go back to basic mechanical vehicles that get you from point A to point B? I want a truck that can tow lots of weight, i don't need all the bells and whistles that just add complexity to the damn thing.
and of cause who should pay for the missing emission standards - come to germany and watch the picture of bavarian forrests with needle trees that had 0 needles anymore . That has been in the 1980s due to CO2, bad air pollution - as far as your eyes could look a scenery of WW1: trees without needles , all dead. You want that back in the USA ? What else do you want back , no medicine against cancer, the spanish flu and what not ? ICE is dead at least in europe and the manufacturers do know that here and are moving ahead, they do not hire ice engineers anymore, the suppliers are reducing production volumes big time. Each month further and our CO2 prices are increasing the gas bill cause each year the prices are increasing. Put 40 cent per year on top of the gallon price or 2 $ in 5 years you will learn to compare prices and decide far more economical than today. USA was the market leader with Tesla for so many years - and now it is BYD from China, missed opportunity I would say.
I used to be the guy driving a 23 Raptor just to run errands at Costco. Eventually, I ditched it and switched to a Ridgeline-and it’s been way more practical for my needs! I went from a $1,400 payment to $0 payment. I also ditched the 23 BMW X7 with a $1,300 payment…and bought a 2016 GX 460 with $0 payment. Can’t believe how stupid I was with my money.
There are over 20 million millionaires in the USA, and tens of millions more with high salaries. The cost of groceries, utilities, insurance and living won't affect them at all. The poor and struggling will continue to be poor and struggling. It's NOT going to get better for THEM next year. It will be worse for them.
@jspin1103. I have to call you put for this atrocious attention seeking comment. Trump brags too much about what he will be able to do, but that is where his faults stop. No economy under Trump will do worse than one run by the DNC Great Reset mafia who's goal is to literally destroy the economy. Just thr fact that Trump is jot trying to actively destroy things is enough to know the economy will do waaaay better under him. Just like it did before. Even Democrats know this. That's why they voted for Trump too.
I am so glad I am living rent free in my mom's basement and can ride my bicycle to my job at McDonalds plus I get one free meal per shift and get the leftovers to feed my mom and dog.
People are now smarter about the whole addendum scam. Nitrogen tires? Seriously? The dealers are still charging that while they go bankrupt. Greed will sink them all
Im still driving my 07 Tundra Crewmax. I wont touch the new Tundras. Saw obscene ADM stickers on some of my dealers stock. Toyota management is arrogant. They didn't listen to Tundra owners when we asked them not to redesign and drop the 5.7. I wont buy the new one. Plus it isn't a very nice looking truck.
Yep, what I don't understand is what Truck owner was clamoring to have a NA V8 replaced with a Turbo v6? Or a NA V6 with a I4 Turbo? Manufacturers ignore their base across the board, and people speak with their wallets.
Those Ford Mavericks need to be $20k to $30k as THEY WERE DESIGNED TO BE SOLD FOR!! They are totally not built well enough to be selling for the MSRP prices Ford is asking.
@@PBurns-d4w Totally agree. This vehicle was designed to be a cheap $20k truck. Would love to finally see that happen after all these years. I'd really like a strippo base 2.5 liter non-turbo 4 cylinder with a manual tranny gearbox.
Yep, they announced the base model at just under $20K, dealers hit people for another $10K, then Ford made the $10K official. So now you have a $20K truck pushing $35K+. Shortly after they were released I saw a used Bronco on a lot in VA with an $18K dealer markup, bringing the total to $60K for a year-old mid-range Bronco 2-door with 33K miles. Since that day, our 2017 Explorer had a cylinder failure at 60K miles and the new Broncos have been a train wreck for reliability. My lifted 1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ 4.0L (225K) has had less mechanical issues than our last two Fords. How is that even possible?
Dealerships refuse to work on vehicles after 100k miles . Only reason i can think of is they want to sell not extend the life of their products. The problem is as the computers get more complicated and the manufacturers charge small shops a fortune for diagnostic software it's a planned obsolescence by attrition.
@dave3657 well that's awful nice of them. 😂 They can kiss my arse. My vehicle is one of those that averages 300k miles before trade in. Once the battle over alternate fuel sources is done and Tesla is out of business MAYBE I will trade in but the very idea that two thousand pounds of batteries with wheels is going to save us is nuts.
Last generation tundras and Tacomas were perfect. I wish they just did some small changes and mostly interior updates. Now I’m not sure what my next truck will be
@@runrundaveNissan has an opportunity here to grab market share with the Frontier. Unfortunately I think they’ll miss it. An irony is they are also ceasing production of the Titan. Not my sort of truck but, with the Tundra floundering it might have picked up some additional sales.
@@Dottydawes Nissan burned plenty of people with their last Frontiers and Xterras with the coolant leak that simultaneously frags your engine and transmission. Wouldn't do a recall, forced to replace engines by class action lawsuits and even then would only replace engines under 60K miles - while the problem was most prevalent at 70-80K. My Xterra was at 82K. You could not pay me to own another Nissan. Just look at the massive numbers of previous gen Frontiers on the road today. Oh, wait, there aren't any.
@@soloCRPG- not going to dispute it. However, Nissan is so far behind Toyota that if they could get the Frontier out with good quality they have a chance of gaining market share. Me, I was burned by Ford - twice. So I know how it feels when a manufacturer screws you over.
I totally agree 100%. I'm a Toyota owner since 1978(17 Toyotas later). The new, flaky quality Toyotas offer far less for 'over the moon prices'. I'm gonna keep my 2008 5.7 V8 Tundra & 2020 4.0 V6 4Runner, and call an end to my Toyota buying days. Toyota's quality reputation is in the history books.
Little known fact. Toyota is the only automaker that still uses distributors in the United States. You may know them as Southeast Toyota or Gulf States Distributors. They are a middle man that has the monopoly on Toyota vehicles in their markets. These middle men distributors notoriously add markups to every single Toyota sold in their markets. On Camrys or Corollas this is usually 1500 dollars and anywhere from 3000 to over 10k on Tundras and more expensive models. These distributors add cheap, unneeded products like safes, protection packages, dash cameras, trailer towing balls, and other low value items that are then marked up exponentially. An example is a dash cam with a value of 75 dollars for 500-600 dollars. Toyota allows these middle men to exist because of a loophole in their contracts that basically allows these distributors to exist unchecked with no clauses for expiration. In distributors markets, a 60k dollar Tundra is marked up by a distributor an average of 5-6k dollars. It astounds me that this has been legally allowed to happen for 70 plus years without any government intervention.
I saw a video about it and there was a fair point… a lot of people love the prices of the basic, no frills cars, but how many customers would actually buy a car like that in 2024? Most customers actually like tech, they like that added safety feature, it makes the NEW car purchase a little more worth it.
@ your right but it’s gets to a point where there to much stuff to break. I went and looked at a 24 Silverado with 5.3 in it this weekend and I was disappointed the seats were horrible the screen was glitching and check engine light was on I ran away.
@@GavinB17 Gonna have to buy an older vehicle if you want that. They can't manufacture a decent vehicle anymore due to excessive regulations. Start/stop, cylinder deactivation, soy plastics, etc..
I HAVE A 24YEAR OLD GMC SIERRA, A 1977 CORVETTE, I PAID CASH FOR BOTH, BOTH BOUGHT NEW. ITS A GREAT FEELING KNOWING I OWN MY CARS,AND HAVE NOTHAD A CAR PAYMENT FOR DECADES.MY INSURANCE FOR BOTH IS 500 PER YEAR.IF ITS NOT BROKEN,DO NOT FIX IT,ONLY WAY YOU GET YOUR MONEY WORTH FROM YOUR CAR,IS TO DRIVE IT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE,IF MAINTAINED,A CAR WILL GO 250 THOUSAND MILES AND MORE,.BEING DEBT FREE IS A GREAT FEELING DUDES AND DUDETTES.LOL
“Lot Rot” and the dealerships still want a premium price. I just looked at a truck that was built in October 2022, sold as a 2023 and there is no mark downs. Over 2 year old brand new pickups. The GM comment to me was he will sell it to someone.
Here in Edmonton Canada I am seeing Jeep discounts of 8-12k on Wranglers. No customers anywhere. The desperation is starting to show. I have owned several Wranglers and this is going to have to change. Prices are going to need to be discounted 25% - 35% to start. Even then the economy is starting to impact the ability to actually buy anything. Dealers are in denial all over the place. I worked in the car industry in good times and they missed out on so many deals because of greed. Many think they can still do that. They are going to be decimated and disappear.
It’s a shame what has happened over the decades. Brands used to - at the least - *appear* to want to build a loyal customer base. My aunt went from a Ford Tempo, to a Taurus, and then a Lincoln Town Car. She has had that Lincoln for at least 15 years and she loves it. It’s been very reliable and her husband has had his Ranger for over 25 years. Now, everything seems disposable and it’s a shame. These executives are greedier than ever; higher costs, lower quality, and a nearly-abandoned car market. They’re insane if they think this will be sustainable. Everything doesn’t have to be “premium” for crying out loud! Reverse-engineer a 1995 Toyota Camry and stop trying to sell us this unreliable garbage! I hope we get some people in power to put the brakes on this push for EVs. Every vehicle CAN NOT and WILL NOT be electric. People are sick of all of these agendas that keep being pushed (mainly from the left). Americans are voting with their wallets and common sense… and I’m here for it 👏👏👏 *LET IT ROT!* (Thank you for continuously putting the information out there. We, the People, are done with the bullshℹ️t. There needs to be a return to simpler vehicles that the masses can actually afford.)
My vehicles are paid for. The only way I would go buy another vehicle is if something bad happened to mine that I had to replace them. The only new vehicle I could afford would be that Nissan Versa with a manual transmission for 18K. I definitely wouldn't pay over 20k for another vehicle.
I sold doge ram jeeps and the 300's the chargers and challengers through 08.I as a consumer would never paying 1 dollar over msrp,and didn't understand any consumers spending 8 to 20 thousand dollar markups for select vehicles.The corporate sharks dropped the entry level vehicles that were 20 thousand or less.They raised the prices on reg or crew cab trucks exorbitantly by 15 to 30 thousand dollars for standard work trucks.Where are the one or two corporations that could identify that they could make vehicles in the 20 to thirty thousand price range and have enough units to feed their dealers at least 2 to 3 years inventories.Apparently none had a leader with foresight and wisdom to even advance those ideas to the board of directors and marketing.They would minimize ceo cfo and top mngt salaries as well as national brand ads and let the cars and trucks and their prices sell themselves.Too bad because one corporation could have the opportunity to be making billions in sales and financing,laughing all the way to the banks.Able to reward their sales staffs handsomely while the other dealerships floundered or failed.Common sense is no longer a common trait in our American businesses 😢😢😮😮
You can certainly see the difference in Toyotas marketing from the 70s and 80s until now, they have certainly lost their focus on North American market over the past few years. Quite apparent a younger less experienced and less focused management has taken over from the more experienced past. My personal views.
Something to note with the Tundras and Tacomas is that you don’t see the hybrid versions, at least in this particular video and well, just generally those are the ones that seem to be in demand. My local dealerships have all types of Tundras and Tacomas in stock, the only ones that aren’t on the lot too long is the Tundra/Tacoma hybrids and Nightshade Editions of the Tundra
Thanks a ton, Dillon! Appreciate the support… I was pretty reluctant sharing that new acquisition amongst my subscribers (who tend to be big Toyota fans). But it’s easily the most enjoyable suv/truck I’ve ever owned. =]
The real problem is the overly complicated build of cars and trucks. EXAMPLE: Electric brake calipers, electric steering, direct injection engines, cylinder deactivation technology, unnecessary 8-9-10 speed transmissions. Everything electronically married from the build date. You can't purchase a plain car anymore, the base model of a car line is already over the top with "standard features" driving the price up. As for hiking up tariffs, if the company has already invested in outsourcing. They will not bring the manufacturing back on a large scale to make a difference. The additional tariff cost will inevitably be passed back onto the consumer.
Even Trump’ s followers don’t understand that. Tariffs are a disguised tax on the people. Or a subsidy to the auto workers salaries (management included).
This video was succinct and to the point well done Bravo this channel is getting better and better every month. I really appreciate all the hard work that you do and looking forward very much to your next video. Keep up the great work and don’t forget to mention Lexus once in a while… Just kidding you’re doing great…. I know your love is TOYOTA and my love. Is Lexus peace be with you and enjoy and have a wonderful Thanksgiving with your beautiful family🇺🇸🙏✝️☮️💜⭐️👍
Had it with dealerships! Bought a cybertruck. I tow occasionally short distance, can seat 5 people comfortably, can charge at home, very useful storage, bulletproof, and most importantly, can drive me home without touching the wheel, and can use as a home generator for up to three days. 79k is a lot, but nothing else in this price range can do what the Cybertruck does and I didn’t have to deal with scammer dealers. Nay sayers can crap on me, but please drive one before stating your 2 cents.
Poor quality trucks at insane prices. No thanks. Life is so much better without a ridiculous truck payment to worry about. I'll keep driving my 2015 Tacoma V6 4x4 for as long as possible.
No one can afford a $100K+ truck to work out of, if it can't handle the job, and spends all its time in the repair shop for a recall. I'll keep my 25 year old pickup. It's a paid for, dead reliable, powerful, plain turbo diesel. 235 K miles and still working well. A new truck would be nice, but not at today's prices.
That blue jeep in the background is the sharpest looking vehicle by far on that parking lot. Interesting point about we are now playing in the Chevy's and GM's playground with vehicle pricing. Toyota is a lost puppy. But I give you a bravo and applause for buying the Jeep. That thing is awesome and I am glad you are supporting American made!! Stellantis has some warts, but they also build the most fun V8's. That Jeep Rubicon 392 is a blast, but I dare you to drive the Durango 392 Hellcat with the third row and captain chairs. j
Thanks man! The 392 is so much fun… I don’t blame people to knocking the idea of it. But I know if they took the time to try one out, they too would strongly consider one. It’s easily the most enjoyable suv/truck I’ve ever driven.
I've been following the 2024 Golf R inventory of 5 VW dealers in my area. In September they had 35 in stock between them, today they have 33. At that pace they have no choice but to slash prices by year end, and then even more in Jan/Feb. I can wait.
As dealerships have all this inventory, currently of 2024's sitting for 150-180 days (per carguru), I went to try to buy a Tuscon. 41K list, 4K incentive, so 37K. My car worth 15K (KBB 14K-17K value). 5K down. I came to 20K to be financed. They came to 34K financing. HOLY you know what. And they barely budged. this fee, that fee. Manufacturer incentive 0% or 2K. So for me to get 0%, they want me to eat the 2K they lost because all incentives go to dealership. You get the idea. Long story short with bunches of 2024 sitting on the lot and 2025's rolling in, they aren't dealing. I'll keep my 2018 Rav4 with 130K miles.
I've had 5 Toyotas, 3 tacomas and 2 Rav 4s. This was when Toyota was charging Toyota prices, now Toyota is charging Lexus prices for a regular Toyota. Those were my last Toyotas. I can buy an Audi, BMW or Mercedes for these new Toyota prices. Crazy times we are in.
I'm a Toyota guy, I've have had over 10 Toyotas throughout the years. In 2020, I traded a 2019 4Runner for a Colorado ZR2 Bison with the baby Duramax. It was an incredible vehicle, and I regret trading it. The Chevrolet Colorado of that generation were a far better value than the Tacoma. I currently have a 2019 Tundra with 38K on the clock and a 2017 Highlander with 120,000 miles. We really want to get a new vehicle to replace the Highlander, but there's no Toyota's that are worth the price. We're now hoping for a Tahoe, but looking for the right deal and the low single digit interest rates. Keep up the great content.
Paid 14k for my 2008 expedition king ranch in 2018. I put 200k hard towing miles on it and it still rides perfect in 2024. I don't know how these dealers think their product justifies those prices...The new expedetions don't even have V8's in them its crazy.
4 Cylinder Turbo boost with Mild Hybrid = 4 less years of life in the vehicle you bought. I have always bought my cars and kept them 10 years on average. Now if your car lasts 5, you are fortunate. And they are now putting these 4 bangers on large SUV's ? F NO !!!!
Excellent video. Some in the industry have stated that many dealers are trying to hold out because they fattened their wallets during the pandemic. If true, those dealers cannot hold out much longer without dropping prices dramatically. Also, what happened to dealer service departments covering upwards of 100 percent - some even 120 percent - of the entire dealership’s costs? That’s what these dealers should focus on and move the darn metal already. It’s absurd.
Our GM dealer lot in NC is empty. That's how they are hanging on. If you want a specific new car you practically have to special order it. If you want a good deal, find a lot that's overstocked.
Swing for the moon by saying 30% off with 0% interest. If they refuse, tell them you'll be back next year. If they counter with 20%, tell them you'll think about it and walk away. You can do this with absolutely no intentions to purchase a vehicle. Just for kicks, and it'll send a message.
Car’s are like a drug-Instant gratification regardless of the buyers financial situation. That said, I’m no different. Currently drive a 2016 Lexus IS350, & was gonna use it as leverage to get into an RC F. But, after serious thought, & self reflection trading it made zero sense. Was just paid off, relatively low 70K miles, & it runs flawlessly. But, I fully understand why many bite off more they can chew.
Average american is at all time high for debt, this country's fucked financially we need a great reset. I've been looking at buying used models that are a few years old and every time I look up the MSRP of that spec and year, it ends up being within 5% of that years MSRP, with 30k+ miles no thankyou. Used cars need to tank in price so as far as I am concerned the automotive industry did this to themselves. I'll just keep buying really old cars and fixing them up fuck it.
Thanks for the hard work and knowledge untamed! Videos like this make me happier and happier that I have a 2019 4Runner! I wonder how the new redesigned 4Runner will do on the lot… I’ll be staying tuned!
Heck, Chevy dealers are discounting Stingrays 11-12 percent. I really think that most car companies don’t mind if some of their dealers go under. The “traditional” manufacturers would love to have the control that the EV manufacturers have over distribution. Not really a good thing for consumers though. If companies don’t have decent choices at 30k in development, they will not have a future.
The dealers should realize that right now, fuel is cheap. If a potential customer is considering buying a new vehicle, you are not just competing with dealerships an hour away, they're competing with dealers several hours away if the price is right. I drove 300 miles each way to buy a truck in May. I saved $7,000 by driving that far instead of accepting the offers I got at nearby dealers. Your observation matches mine. Of the brands I looked at earlier this summer, GM is offering vehicles that are more affordable in their cheaper trims. Half-ton trucks specifically, but also some of the SUV's. There's a reason they went from nearly having Ram sell more trucks than their Chevy brand to selling more trucks than any other manufacturer. If you're that worried about reliability negotiate an extended warranty into the price. Most dealers will move on the warranty price, it isn't set in stone. I work with several guys that have newer GM half-tons and they all show up to work every day. A few have over 200k without any issues.
Someone needs to make a truck without computer chip bullshit. Roll down your windows with the crank, if something goes wrong it can only be lack of air, lack of spark, or lack of fuel. They’d sell tons of em
Just seen a video where the teeth were falling off ford belts inside the engine.blocking oil passages and making the belt useless to whatever it was spinning.oil pump timing etc..
Just talked to a dealer and asked to cut $6K off a vehicle that's been sitting on their lot for 365 days. They refused. I simply thanked them and moving on..lol keep your car. I'm good! 😅
I just bought a ‘21 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland edition. Stickered for $68k in 2021. I picked it up for $38k 3 years later with 24,000 miles on it. Crazy prices on new vehicles anymore.
Just talked to 2 toyota dealers. Aside from Tundra, they want to sell at MSRP saying stuff is high demand. At best they can give 500 off + all their junk fees. Dealer lots are packed. In no rush for a mini-van and from what I can tell, the longer you wait, the lower prices go at this point. Wasn't too long ago sienna's were ordered and waited on, but now they're sitting unsold on dealer lots. I don't care as much for price...it's the resale...to buy today at MSRP and then next year they selling 10k off MSRP you'd get killed on depreciation.
The big trouble is that the car companies are dealing with a mandate to make their products more energy-efficient and not pollute the atmosphere so much. That's why these trucks have such small engines. It's also why these trucks are not selling so much. What farmer or rancher is interested in an underpowered truck that cannot pull a livestock trailer or haul a bunch of grain? What's going to happen is that the government will have to subsidize these vehicles to get them sold. That's the only way a someone working in a service-oriented business is going to afford one of these vehicles. If the government can finance the Ukrainian government and the Israeli war effort, why not the car companies?
Something has to give in this economy and I'm sure the only way these vehicles are rolling off is if the dealers sell these at a price so low it'll break them. It'll take more than a $15,000 price cut. People need $300 monthly car payments to come back and the industry all made $1,500 car payment vehicles.
Toyota can't lower the MSRP, but they for sure can offer cash incentive or APR deals. As of right now the lowest APR offered for Tundra still 1.9%, that means they are not desperate enough. Wait until Toyota offers 0% for 72 month, just like Nissan
Servco Toyota in Honolulu and Kau’i has never sold above MSRP. The incoming Tacoma Pro’s are all reserved, as well as Siennas, Rav4s and most other models. Tundras do sit longer if they aren’t SR5 work style or Pro.
The economy isn’t bad. It’s just that interest rates are still high, new car prices are insanely high, and new car quality is low because of all the new unreliable tech they are experimenting with to try to get a couple more MPGs…who can spend a hundred grand on an unreliable family car when the NA, 5 year old version is 1/3 the price?
Dude, 10-15 grand discount is not nearly enough! They need to mark everything on their lot at half price as a starting point. With the current interest rates, out the door prices need to be 35-40 grand max to bring the average buyer in.
I need a truck, small to mid-size, 2wd, hand crank windows, no cruise control, rubber mats on floor, no A/C ( I live in Canada), two door or suicide doors, long bed, standard. Not I know it will never happen. Which is why I'm still driving after almost 18 years an 07 Ranger, which is the best truck I'll ever own.
I believe your point but why dealers still refuse to lower prices? I always a Toyota/Lexus customer and still waiting for the new tundra to be affordable. Gotta feed the family first.
Many of them are figuring it out the hard way right now. They’re not getting the huge relief they expected… instead there’s no light at the end of the tunnel. They HAVE to move inventory now of they’ll fail. It’s that simple. No dealer can hold extreme inventory levels for this long.
That’s good stuff. Question: does this markdown also need to apply to used vehicles as well? I imagine so but give me an idea how much these used vehicles are marked up? I’m a new subscriber as of today. Thanks
Cut quality, reliability, service. Inflate prices. GO BROKE.
Exactly... AND WHY ?
Climate change madness.
Why would I pay for unproven tech that hasn't been ironed out ?
Instead they have turned the public into their test bench.
We pay and suffer the consequences of their poor products.
ENOUGH.
You forgot "add features nobody wants".
But they won't... guaranteed
@@bbellefson 💯
You probably voted for this
I care about dealerships as much as they cared about me...😅
Well said.
Ba-doom-tish! Love it. Two words for you: "dealer markup".
Why can't we just go back to basic mechanical vehicles that get you from point A to point B? I want a truck that can tow lots of weight, i don't need all the bells and whistles that just add complexity to the damn thing.
Yep....The Great Car RESET!!! Make AUTOS affordable and reliable again!!
Can't even get most vehicles with crank windows and/or a manual transmission.
Sad.
@AWDfreak In Europe you can find manuals. Even rentals come in manuals. I think the lack of manual transmissions is an American thing.
and of cause who should pay for the missing emission standards - come to germany and watch the picture of bavarian forrests with needle trees that had 0 needles anymore .
That has been in the 1980s due to CO2, bad air pollution - as far as your eyes could look a scenery of WW1: trees without needles , all dead.
You want that back in the USA ?
What else do you want back , no medicine against cancer, the spanish flu and what not ?
ICE is dead at least in europe and the manufacturers do know that here and are moving ahead, they do not hire ice engineers anymore, the suppliers are reducing production volumes big time. Each month further and our CO2 prices are increasing the gas bill cause each year the prices are increasing. Put 40 cent per year on top of the gallon price or 2 $ in 5 years you will learn to compare prices and decide far more economical than today.
USA was the market leader with Tesla for so many years - and now it is BYD from China, missed opportunity I would say.
Back in 2002 I bought a new Chevy. I had to custom order a stripped down model because everything on the lots were fully loaded.
65 Grand for a 4 Banger Tacoma, lmao 🤣.
Madness. Mercedes money for a Toyota.
That's disgusting
🤓hybrid too☝️
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Mercedes money for a Ford Ranger in my area
I used to be the guy driving a 23 Raptor just to run errands at Costco. Eventually, I ditched it and switched to a Ridgeline-and it’s been way more practical for my needs! I went from a $1,400 payment to $0 payment. I also ditched the 23 BMW X7 with a $1,300 payment…and bought a 2016 GX 460 with $0 payment. Can’t believe how stupid I was with my money.
Who would have thought in a horrible economy people cant afford 100k vehicles
You think the economy is bad now? Wait until January. 😳
There are over 20 million millionaires in the USA, and tens of millions more with high salaries.
The cost of groceries, utilities, insurance and living won't affect them at all.
The poor and struggling will continue to be poor and struggling. It's NOT going to get better for THEM next year. It will be worse for them.
@@jspin1103you didn't really say anything you just spoke in emojis you probably voted for Joe Biden too
@@jspin1103 you've been screaming like a girl since 2016, yet you skipped the last 4 years, because you're a weakling.
@jspin1103. I have to call you put for this atrocious attention seeking comment. Trump brags too much about what he will be able to do, but that is where his faults stop. No economy under Trump will do worse than one run by the DNC Great Reset mafia who's goal is to literally destroy the economy. Just thr fact that Trump is jot trying to actively destroy things is enough to know the economy will do waaaay better under him. Just like it did before. Even Democrats know this. That's why they voted for Trump too.
How about no one is buying the new Tundra because they are ugly.
You’re not wrong……. After a lift and a wheel and tire upgrade they look decent, but until you can afford to do that, it’s a very ugly vehicle
There’s a ton of them around me. Maybe it’s your area full of loyalists to their American trucks
And they blowup and are expensive
@@titantitan8750 an they’re noticeably smaller then the last Gen V8s
@@kevinroberts8441Blown ups are taken care of by Toyota. Problem is with the price.
Cheap labor, bloated price tag. Nothing but a cash grab from Toyota. And late to the game - covid dollars are gone.
Almost spit out my coffee laughing at that EV Silverado cut
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What a pos. What sucker will buy that? Haha
I am so glad I am living rent free in my mom's basement and can ride my bicycle to my job at McDonalds plus I get one free meal per shift and get the leftovers to feed my mom and dog.
Dogfood is all Mc Donalds is good for 😅
People are now smarter about the whole addendum scam. Nitrogen tires? Seriously? The dealers are still charging that while they go bankrupt. Greed will sink them all
GOOD less dumbmasses to try and run me over on my paid off motorcycle.
Forget nitrogen tires. If the dealer is demanding MSRP, I laugh and walk away. Even $2000 off MSRP is a joke.
Im still driving my 07 Tundra Crewmax. I wont touch the new Tundras. Saw obscene ADM stickers on some of my dealers stock. Toyota management is arrogant. They didn't listen to Tundra owners when we asked them not to redesign and drop the 5.7. I wont buy the new one. Plus it isn't a very nice looking truck.
Yep, what I don't understand is what Truck owner was clamoring to have a NA V8 replaced with a Turbo v6? Or a NA V6 with a I4 Turbo? Manufacturers ignore their base across the board, and people speak with their wallets.
Those Ford Mavericks need to be $20k to $30k as THEY WERE DESIGNED TO BE SOLD FOR!! They are totally not built well enough to be selling for the MSRP prices Ford is asking.
@roguedolphin I'd pay 15k. For 30k I'd buy a classic truck and drive it as my daily.
exactly
Maverick is a sea of cheap plastic. Should be no more than 25 grand
@@PBurns-d4w Totally agree. This vehicle was designed to be a cheap $20k truck. Would love to finally see that happen after all these years. I'd really like a strippo base 2.5 liter non-turbo 4 cylinder with a manual tranny gearbox.
Yep, they announced the base model at just under $20K, dealers hit people for another $10K, then Ford made the $10K official. So now you have a $20K truck pushing $35K+. Shortly after they were released I saw a used Bronco on a lot in VA with an $18K dealer markup, bringing the total to $60K for a year-old mid-range Bronco 2-door with 33K miles. Since that day, our 2017 Explorer had a cylinder failure at 60K miles and the new Broncos have been a train wreck for reliability. My lifted 1997 Jeep Wrangler TJ 4.0L (225K) has had less mechanical issues than our last two Fords. How is that even possible?
Dealerships refuse to work on vehicles after 100k miles . Only reason i can think of is they want to sell not extend the life of their products.
The problem is as the computers get more complicated and the manufacturers charge small shops a fortune for diagnostic software it's a planned obsolescence by attrition.
They want to sell you a new one is all. My Toyota has 200K and the dealership sends me flyers all the time.
@dave3657 well that's awful nice of them. 😂 They can kiss my arse. My vehicle is one of those that averages 300k miles before trade in. Once the battle over alternate fuel sources is done and Tesla is out of business MAYBE I will trade in but the very idea that two thousand pounds of batteries with wheels is going to save us is nuts.
I normally worked on vehicles over 100k miles at the dealer
@whiskeysaint5609 recently? All the GMC dealers within 50 miles refuse to do so.
Last generation tundras and Tacomas were perfect. I wish they just did some small changes and mostly interior updates. Now I’m not sure what my next truck will be
I think alot looking at frontiers 7
Im more than likely getting a new GM truck since the AFM disabler for 22+ trucks just came out so the truck can be in v8 mode 100% of the time
@@runrundaveNissan has an opportunity here to grab market share with the Frontier. Unfortunately I think they’ll miss it.
An irony is they are also ceasing production of the Titan. Not my sort of truck but, with the Tundra floundering it might have picked up some additional sales.
@@Dottydawes Nissan burned plenty of people with their last Frontiers and Xterras with the coolant leak that simultaneously frags your engine and transmission. Wouldn't do a recall, forced to replace engines by class action lawsuits and even then would only replace engines under 60K miles - while the problem was most prevalent at 70-80K. My Xterra was at 82K. You could not pay me to own another Nissan. Just look at the massive numbers of previous gen Frontiers on the road today. Oh, wait, there aren't any.
@@soloCRPG- not going to dispute it. However, Nissan is so far behind Toyota that if they could get the Frontier out with good quality they have a chance of gaining market share.
Me, I was burned by Ford - twice. So I know how it feels when a manufacturer screws you over.
I totally agree 100%. I'm a Toyota owner since 1978(17 Toyotas later). The new, flaky quality Toyotas offer far less for 'over the moon prices'. I'm gonna keep my 2008 5.7 V8 Tundra & 2020 4.0 V6 4Runner, and call an end to my Toyota buying days. Toyota's quality reputation is in the history books.
This is disappointing to hear. 2016 sienna and 2018 corolla here. Glad I'm not.in the car market now. Gonna run these til the day they die..
Little known fact. Toyota is the only automaker that still uses distributors in the United States. You may know them as Southeast Toyota or Gulf States Distributors. They are a middle man that has the monopoly on Toyota vehicles in their markets. These middle men distributors notoriously add markups to every single Toyota sold in their markets. On Camrys or Corollas this is usually 1500 dollars and anywhere from 3000 to over 10k on Tundras and more expensive models. These distributors add cheap, unneeded products like safes, protection packages, dash cameras, trailer towing balls, and other low value items that are then marked up exponentially. An example is a dash cam with a value of 75 dollars for 500-600 dollars. Toyota allows these middle men to exist because of a loophole in their contracts that basically allows these distributors to exist unchecked with no clauses for expiration. In distributors markets, a 60k dollar Tundra is marked up by a distributor an average of 5-6k dollars. It astounds me that this has been legally allowed to happen for 70 plus years without any government intervention.
The only auto blogger with high analyzing IQ on the market! Thank you Untamed
Why can’t I just buy a mid sized pickup with a regular v8 and 4x4 and no screen and all the tech BS
I saw a video about it and there was a fair point… a lot of people love the prices of the basic, no frills cars, but how many customers would actually buy a car like that in 2024? Most customers actually like tech, they like that added safety feature, it makes the NEW car purchase a little more worth it.
@ your right but it’s gets to a point where there to much stuff to break. I went and looked at a 24 Silverado with 5.3 in it this weekend and I was disappointed the seats were horrible the screen was glitching and check engine light was on I ran away.
@Nickname.4375
@@GavinB17 Gonna have to buy an older vehicle if you want that. They can't manufacture a decent vehicle anymore due to excessive regulations. Start/stop, cylinder deactivation, soy plastics, etc..
Do you still have a rotary phone?😂
A 4 cylinder pickup truck in 2025 is just outrageous
right? They all need v8's and blowers...
Why?
@@farmer9180 4 cylinders pushing a 6000lbs+ vehicle is a recipe for disaster
I HAVE A 24YEAR OLD GMC SIERRA, A 1977 CORVETTE, I PAID CASH FOR BOTH, BOTH BOUGHT NEW. ITS A GREAT FEELING KNOWING I OWN MY CARS,AND HAVE NOTHAD A CAR PAYMENT FOR DECADES.MY INSURANCE FOR BOTH IS 500 PER YEAR.IF ITS NOT BROKEN,DO NOT FIX IT,ONLY WAY YOU GET YOUR MONEY WORTH FROM YOUR CAR,IS TO DRIVE IT AS LONG AS POSSIBLE,IF MAINTAINED,A CAR WILL GO 250 THOUSAND MILES AND MORE,.BEING DEBT FREE IS A GREAT FEELING DUDES AND DUDETTES.LOL
No, that's not enough. They need to pay. I'm not a buyer until at least 30k.
That's why nissan is eating toyota lunch With the frontier Pick up truck. Customers want a naturally aspirated engine not a turbo engine.
“Lot Rot” and the dealerships still want a premium price. I just looked at a truck that was built in October 2022, sold as a 2023 and there is no mark downs. Over 2 year old brand new pickups. The GM comment to me was he will sell it to someone.
Manufacturers should make basic solid vehicles that are affordable. They have lost touch with reality.
💯 Amen to that 🙏
Here in Edmonton Canada I am seeing Jeep discounts of 8-12k on Wranglers. No customers anywhere. The desperation is starting to show. I have owned several Wranglers and this is going to have to change. Prices are going to need to be discounted 25% - 35% to start. Even then the economy is starting to impact the ability to actually buy anything. Dealers are in denial all over the place. I worked in the car industry in good times and they missed out on so many deals because of greed. Many think they can still do that. They are going to be decimated and disappear.
How come corporations only discovered greed 4 years ago?
As long as the public (UnTamed) keeps buying them; they will keep building them! Simple economics!
He literally bought a $100k Jeep and is complaining about prices?!?
@ Talk about hypocrisy in action!!!
It’s a shame what has happened over the decades. Brands used to - at the least - *appear* to want to build a loyal customer base.
My aunt went from a Ford Tempo, to a Taurus, and then a Lincoln Town Car.
She has had that Lincoln for at least 15 years and she loves it. It’s been very reliable and her husband has had his Ranger for over 25 years. Now, everything seems disposable and it’s a shame.
These executives are greedier than ever; higher costs, lower quality, and a nearly-abandoned car market. They’re insane if they think this will be sustainable.
Everything doesn’t have to be “premium” for crying out loud! Reverse-engineer a 1995 Toyota Camry and stop trying to sell us this unreliable garbage! I hope we get some people in power to put the brakes on this push for EVs. Every vehicle CAN NOT and WILL NOT be electric. People are sick of all of these agendas that keep being pushed (mainly from the left).
Americans are voting with their wallets and common sense… and I’m here for it 👏👏👏
*LET IT ROT!*
(Thank you for continuously putting the information out there. We, the People, are done with the bullshℹ️t. There needs to be a return to simpler vehicles that the masses can actually afford.)
Good..they charge waaay too much and lots of cars today have too many recalls
My vehicles are paid for. The only way I would go buy another vehicle is if something bad happened to mine that I had to replace them. The only new vehicle I could afford would be that Nissan Versa with a manual transmission for 18K. I definitely wouldn't pay over 20k for another vehicle.
If any of my paid for vehicles die now, I’m finding another used one, even if it’s a little more $ than normal.
I sold doge ram jeeps and the 300's the chargers and challengers through 08.I as a consumer would never paying 1 dollar over msrp,and didn't understand any consumers spending 8 to 20 thousand dollar markups for select vehicles.The corporate sharks dropped the entry level vehicles that were 20 thousand or less.They raised the prices on reg or crew cab trucks exorbitantly by 15 to 30 thousand dollars for standard work trucks.Where are the one or two corporations that could identify that they could make vehicles in the 20 to thirty thousand price range and have enough units to feed their dealers at least 2 to 3 years inventories.Apparently none had a leader with foresight and wisdom to even advance those ideas to the board of directors and marketing.They would minimize ceo cfo and top mngt salaries as well as national brand ads and let the cars and trucks and their prices sell themselves.Too bad because one corporation could have the opportunity to be making billions in sales and financing,laughing all the way to the banks.Able to reward their sales staffs handsomely while the other dealerships floundered or failed.Common sense is no longer a common trait in our American businesses 😢😢😮😮
Thank you for sharing this man. Well said 👌 💯
even %0 and $15k off is still not enough. I'm too cheap to have a $700/mo truck payment.
I'm too poor
Making stupid greedy decisions tends to BANKRUPT companies.
You can certainly see the difference in Toyotas marketing from the 70s and 80s until now, they have certainly lost their focus on North American market over the past few years. Quite apparent a younger less experienced and less focused management has taken over from the more experienced past. My personal views.
Never going to buy from a dealer again
Something to note with the Tundras and Tacomas is that you don’t see the hybrid versions, at least in this particular video and well, just generally those are the ones that seem to be in demand. My local dealerships have all types of Tundras and Tacomas in stock, the only ones that aren’t on the lot too long is the Tundra/Tacoma hybrids and Nightshade Editions of the Tundra
Cut the price by half still 50% to much.
Man your channel sub count is growing fast 💨! Love the new radical left turn with the new 392 wrangler !!!
Thanks a ton, Dillon! Appreciate the support… I was pretty reluctant sharing that new acquisition amongst my subscribers (who tend to be big Toyota fans). But it’s easily the most enjoyable suv/truck I’ve ever owned. =]
Ohh who couldn’t love that massive 6.4 v8! 💯💯
The real problem is the overly complicated build of cars and trucks. EXAMPLE: Electric brake calipers, electric steering, direct injection engines, cylinder deactivation technology, unnecessary 8-9-10 speed transmissions. Everything electronically married from the build date. You can't purchase a plain car anymore, the base model of a car line is already over the top with "standard features" driving the price up.
As for hiking up tariffs, if the company has already invested in outsourcing. They will not bring the manufacturing back on a large scale to make a difference. The additional tariff cost will inevitably be passed back onto the consumer.
Even Trump’ s followers don’t understand that. Tariffs are a disguised tax on the people. Or a subsidy to the auto workers salaries (management included).
This video was succinct and to the point well done Bravo this channel is getting better and better every month. I really appreciate all the hard work that you do and looking forward very much to your next video. Keep up the great work and don’t forget to mention Lexus once in a while… Just kidding you’re doing great…. I know your love is TOYOTA and my love. Is Lexus peace be with you and enjoy and have a wonderful Thanksgiving with your beautiful family🇺🇸🙏✝️☮️💜⭐️👍
Really appreciate the kind words and support, Jimmy. Thank you! 🙏 Means a lot. =]
Had it with dealerships! Bought a cybertruck. I tow occasionally short distance, can seat 5 people comfortably, can charge at home, very useful storage, bulletproof, and most importantly, can drive me home without touching the wheel, and can use as a home generator for up to three days. 79k is a lot, but nothing else in this price range can do what the Cybertruck does and I didn’t have to deal with scammer dealers. Nay sayers can crap on me, but please drive one before stating your 2 cents.
Giving money to traitor Musk.
You're hilarious. The line about signature at work... 😂
Haha thanks man. Figured it was a worthwhile plug… even if it lost me a few subs. =]
I so regret buying my 22’ Tundra…getting my ass handed to me. The loan is the killer paying for truck no wants.
Keep voting for Democrats 🤪💩
That's why I bought a 22 Tacoma instead. Still have my 2008 Toyota Tundra with the 5.7L V8 and it's great and all, but I wanted a brand new vehicle.
Yes wise, I bought a 24’ Runner. I’d still have my 2007 Tundra if an distracted Uber driver didn’t total it in 2018.
Poor quality trucks at insane prices. No thanks. Life is so much better without a ridiculous truck payment to worry about. I'll keep driving my 2015 Tacoma V6 4x4 for as long as possible.
Great commentary, I look forward to the video.
No one can afford a $100K+ truck to work out of, if it can't handle the job, and spends all its time in the repair shop for a recall. I'll keep my 25 year old pickup. It's a paid for, dead reliable, powerful, plain turbo diesel. 235 K miles and still working well.
A new truck would be nice, but not at today's prices.
GMC is also known to crap out a transmission before and after warranty expires.
We never upcharged, profits have dipped but not volume. We love our city and they love us. Good point on that.
I refuse to buy another new damn truck. Going back to older trucks and rebuilding them makes more sense. They are tools to be used, not pretty toys.
That blue jeep in the background is the sharpest looking vehicle by far on that parking lot. Interesting point about we are now playing in the Chevy's and GM's playground with vehicle pricing. Toyota is a lost puppy. But I give you a bravo and applause for buying the Jeep. That thing is awesome and I am glad you are supporting American made!! Stellantis has some warts, but they also build the most fun V8's. That Jeep Rubicon 392 is a blast, but I dare you to drive the Durango 392 Hellcat with the third row and captain chairs. j
Thanks man! The 392 is so much fun… I don’t blame people to knocking the idea of it. But I know if they took the time to try one out, they too would strongly consider one. It’s easily the most enjoyable suv/truck I’ve ever driven.
I appreciate your insight. I am in need of a vehicle, but it sounds like waiting is the best strategy.
Let those Tacomo's rot. Overpriced trash
I've been following the 2024 Golf R inventory of 5 VW dealers in my area. In September they had 35 in stock between them, today they have 33. At that pace they have no choice but to slash prices by year end, and then even more in Jan/Feb. I can wait.
No one wants a full size trunk with a turbo 4 banger no matter what maker.
As dealerships have all this inventory, currently of 2024's sitting for 150-180 days (per carguru), I went to try to buy a Tuscon. 41K list, 4K incentive, so 37K. My car worth 15K (KBB 14K-17K value). 5K down. I came to 20K to be financed. They came to 34K financing. HOLY you know what. And they barely budged. this fee, that fee. Manufacturer incentive 0% or 2K. So for me to get 0%, they want me to eat the 2K they lost because all incentives go to dealership.
You get the idea. Long story short with bunches of 2024 sitting on the lot and 2025's rolling in, they aren't dealing. I'll keep my 2018 Rav4 with 130K miles.
GM has 1.9%/36mo right now. That might get me into a new truck. I'm NOT paying 8%.
I was considering a tacoma ..but decided not 2..on the cost
.the 4cylinder and dont like the styling on the 2024
I've had 5 Toyotas, 3 tacomas and 2 Rav 4s. This was when Toyota was charging Toyota prices, now Toyota is charging Lexus prices for a regular Toyota. Those were my last Toyotas. I can buy an Audi, BMW or Mercedes for these new Toyota prices. Crazy times we are in.
@@mikeb3596 couldn’t agree more 👌
If the APR’s were lower they would move but add in high MSRP’s crazy insurance rates and consumers have tapped out they simply cannot afford it
Then nissan titan with 0%apr is the one for you
I'm a Toyota guy, I've have had over 10 Toyotas throughout the years. In 2020, I traded a 2019 4Runner for a Colorado ZR2 Bison with the baby Duramax. It was an incredible vehicle, and I regret trading it.
The Chevrolet Colorado of that generation were a far better value than the Tacoma. I currently have a 2019 Tundra with 38K on the clock and a 2017 Highlander with 120,000 miles. We really want to get a new vehicle to replace the Highlander, but there's no Toyota's that are worth the price.
We're now hoping for a Tahoe, but looking for the right deal and the low single digit interest rates.
Keep up the great content.
Paid 14k for my 2008 expedition king ranch in 2018. I put 200k hard towing miles on it and it still rides perfect in 2024. I don't know how these dealers think their product justifies those prices...The new expedetions don't even have V8's in them its crazy.
Trucks need to go back to 35k and top of the line SUV’s were 60k. Now an entry level truck is 60k and a top of the line SUV is over 100k
At this point, dealerships could cut on average 50% per unit and still not move merchandise.
Yeah prices have gotten completely out of hand 👍 💯
4 Cylinder Turbo boost with Mild Hybrid = 4 less years of life in the vehicle you bought.
I have always bought my cars and kept them 10 years on average.
Now if your car lasts 5, you are fortunate.
And they are now putting these 4 bangers on large SUV's ?
F NO !!!!
Good now the v8 will come back
Excellent video. Some in the industry have stated that many dealers are trying to hold out because they fattened their wallets during the pandemic. If true, those dealers cannot hold out much longer without dropping prices dramatically. Also, what happened to dealer service departments covering upwards of 100 percent - some even 120 percent - of the entire dealership’s costs? That’s what these dealers should focus on and move the darn metal already. It’s absurd.
Why would anyone buy one of these underpowered millstones?
Yes, help is on the way. What a mess our country is right now. People are tired of this circus and they spoke loudly.
Like his first term, Trump will do nothing but sit back and watch cities burn.
@@TLaw44don't be silly, he'll also start the fires and stoke them well so he can blame someone else for all the damage he causes
I don’t remember dealers charging $20k markups when Trump was in office
Greed Never Sleeps!!
You’re right! Trump ❤
Our GM dealer lot in NC is empty. That's how they are hanging on. If you want a specific new car you practically have to special order it. If you want a good deal, find a lot that's overstocked.
Swing for the moon by saying 30% off with 0% interest.
If they refuse, tell them you'll be back next year.
If they counter with 20%, tell them you'll think about it and walk away.
You can do this with absolutely no intentions to purchase a vehicle. Just for kicks, and it'll send a message.
Car’s are like a drug-Instant gratification regardless of the buyers financial situation. That said, I’m no different. Currently drive a 2016 Lexus IS350, & was gonna use it as leverage to get into an RC F. But, after serious thought, & self reflection trading it made zero sense. Was just paid off, relatively low 70K miles, & it runs flawlessly. But, I fully understand why many bite off more they can chew.
Average american is at all time high for debt, this country's fucked financially we need a great reset. I've been looking at buying used models that are a few years old and every time I look up the MSRP of that spec and year, it ends up being within 5% of that years MSRP, with 30k+ miles no thankyou. Used cars need to tank in price so as far as I am concerned the automotive industry did this to themselves. I'll just keep buying really old cars and fixing them up fuck it.
Shame on Toyota! Shame on all of them.😡
Great and Informative video..Thanks 🙏🏼
We have asked for over 10 years for:
1. Electric cars with swap-able batteries.
2. Cheap, easily maintainable cars.
What we get:
Thanks for the hard work and knowledge untamed! Videos like this make me happier and happier that I have a 2019 4Runner! I wonder how the new redesigned 4Runner will do on the lot… I’ll be staying tuned!
Heck, Chevy dealers are discounting Stingrays 11-12 percent. I really think that most car companies don’t mind if some of their dealers go under. The “traditional” manufacturers would love to have the control that the EV manufacturers have over distribution. Not really a good thing for consumers though. If companies don’t have decent choices at 30k in development, they will not have a future.
The dealers should realize that right now, fuel is cheap. If a potential customer is considering buying a new vehicle, you are not just competing with dealerships an hour away, they're competing with dealers several hours away if the price is right. I drove 300 miles each way to buy a truck in May. I saved $7,000 by driving that far instead of accepting the offers I got at nearby dealers.
Your observation matches mine. Of the brands I looked at earlier this summer, GM is offering vehicles that are more affordable in their cheaper trims. Half-ton trucks specifically, but also some of the SUV's. There's a reason they went from nearly having Ram sell more trucks than their Chevy brand to selling more trucks than any other manufacturer. If you're that worried about reliability negotiate an extended warranty into the price. Most dealers will move on the warranty price, it isn't set in stone. I work with several guys that have newer GM half-tons and they all show up to work every day. A few have over 200k without any issues.
Glad to see greedy dealership go bankrupt versus hard working Americans going bankrupt
Someone needs to make a truck without computer chip bullshit. Roll down your windows with the crank, if something goes wrong it can only be lack of air, lack of spark, or lack of fuel. They’d sell tons of em
Government says you need all the tech
@@Lawyerboyleslie72 Well, the safety tech anyway.
Just seen a video where the teeth were falling off ford belts inside the engine.blocking oil passages and making the belt useless to whatever it was spinning.oil pump timing etc..
Just talked to a dealer and asked to cut $6K off a vehicle that's been sitting on their lot for 365 days. They refused. I simply thanked them and moving on..lol keep your car. I'm good! 😅
I just bought a ‘21 Jeep Grand Cherokee L Overland edition. Stickered for $68k in 2021. I picked it up for $38k 3 years later with 24,000 miles on it. Crazy prices on new vehicles anymore.
Just talked to 2 toyota dealers. Aside from Tundra, they want to sell at MSRP saying stuff is high demand. At best they can give 500 off + all their junk fees. Dealer lots are packed. In no rush for a mini-van and from what I can tell, the longer you wait, the lower prices go at this point. Wasn't too long ago sienna's were ordered and waited on, but now they're sitting unsold on dealer lots. I don't care as much for price...it's the resale...to buy today at MSRP and then next year they selling 10k off MSRP you'd get killed on depreciation.
I would be interested if all brands take off 15-20k and 0% interest. THAT'S ME!!
The big trouble is that the car companies are dealing with a mandate to make their products more energy-efficient and not pollute the atmosphere so much. That's why these trucks have such small engines. It's also why these trucks are not selling so much. What farmer or rancher is interested in an underpowered truck that cannot pull a livestock trailer or haul a bunch of grain? What's going to happen is that the government will have to subsidize these vehicles to get them sold. That's the only way a someone working in a service-oriented business is going to afford one of these vehicles. If the government can finance the Ukrainian government and the Israeli war effort, why not the car companies?
Tundra sales will be stalled until the failing engines are resolved.
I saw a Trailhunter today at a local dealer $4k under MSRP, who would;ve imagined that before
Wild that they’re already needing to slash prices on the “desirable trims” like that. 😮
Something has to give in this economy and I'm sure the only way these vehicles are rolling off is if the dealers sell these at a price so low it'll break them. It'll take more than a $15,000 price cut. People need $300 monthly car payments to come back and the industry all made $1,500 car payment vehicles.
Toyota can't lower the MSRP, but they for sure can offer cash incentive or APR deals. As of right now the lowest APR offered for Tundra still 1.9%, that means they are not desperate enough. Wait until Toyota offers 0% for 72 month, just like Nissan
My used 2016 Land Cruiser is looking like a better idea everyday
Servco Toyota in Honolulu and Kau’i has never sold above MSRP. The incoming Tacoma Pro’s are all reserved, as well as Siennas, Rav4s and most other models. Tundras do sit longer if they aren’t SR5 work style or Pro.
The economy isn’t bad. It’s just that interest rates are still high, new car prices are insanely high, and new car quality is low because of all the new unreliable tech they are experimenting with to try to get a couple more MPGs…who can spend a hundred grand on an unreliable family car when the NA, 5 year old version is 1/3 the price?
"the economy isn't bad"
Then what is it?
I’m your average consumer, and I approve of this message.
Haha thanks a ton man! 🙏
Dude, 10-15 grand discount is not nearly enough! They need to mark everything on their lot at half price as a starting point. With the current interest rates, out the door prices need to be 35-40 grand max to bring the average buyer in.
oh people are finnally starting to wake up, about time...
I need a truck, small to mid-size, 2wd, hand crank windows, no cruise control, rubber mats on floor, no A/C ( I live in Canada), two door or suicide doors, long bed, standard. Not I know it will never happen. Which is why I'm still driving after almost 18 years an 07 Ranger, which is the best truck I'll ever own.
I believe your point but why dealers still refuse to lower prices? I always a Toyota/Lexus customer and still waiting for the new tundra to be affordable. Gotta feed the family first.
Many of them are figuring it out the hard way right now. They’re not getting the huge relief they expected… instead there’s no light at the end of the tunnel. They HAVE to move inventory now of they’ll fail. It’s that simple. No dealer can hold extreme inventory levels for this long.
Thanks
That’s good stuff. Question: does this markdown also need to apply to used vehicles as well? I imagine so but give me an idea how much these used vehicles are marked up? I’m a new subscriber as of today. Thanks