Lesson for me: If someone with this much experience crashed this badly, gear is a MUST. Gear may be expensive but not nearly as much as my $7000 medical insurance deductible.
Ask the shops at that street if they have a camera video footage that shows the crush. At least you are fine and nobody else got hurt from the wheel, that’s what matters!
Thank you! As to the camera, even if there were, it’ll probably be too far to make a difference, only way is I had a close up view to see if the tire really popped because of the bump.
Scenario you didn't mention: failure of one of the two air shock chambers. A sudden pressure loss could have caused the behavior you encountered and loss of footing. Since both chambers were damaged in the crash it's possible the crash damaged covered up this failure. Do the shocks both still hold pressure with the damage shown? If they do that rules out my theory, but if not this may be worth considering. Thank you for sharing the good and the bad experiences with these amazing devices.
@@OWGAC Especially, as I could see a failure in 1 chamber causing problems. That is one thing about the Kingsong design, even with it's linkage complexity, that is a bit more... bulletproof... no potential for and unbalanced situation of sorts. In fact... I wonder how significantly unequal pressures in the V11 design would translate to rideability? Be an interesting test.
You keep saying you wasted 10 or 15 minutes of my life, but most of the time you've provided info that will save lots of time/cash.. absolutely not wasting time, IMHO -- thanks Hsiang!
That was an amazing amount of damage. And the tire! Oh well. So this was your personal wheel? I thought maybe it was a review wheel. And please let us know why it won't turn on. Good luck.
Marty! It was from InMotion! And of course I wreck it before I even reviewed it! =( I’ll have to open it up more and see if I can see any internal damage, maybe the hit to the headlight disconnected something inside?
I believe you suffered from “rider float”. It’s almost the same theory as valve float in an engine. The sudden drop the rider and the euc encountered at different rate or the rider suffers from a delayed descend. Obviously, there was a point where there was a separation from the rider and machine which force the rider to float. which means the euc descended first before the rider did. At that high rate of speed , the euc may have landed and compressed at the inner manhole ring which may have cause the bottom half of the euc to slow down while the top half may have rotated forward changing the angle of the peddles. The rider’s center of mass is now behind his feet. In that position, he now lands or crashes into the euc misaligned , with most of his feet landing on some of the peddles, and then rolling / sliding.
Keep in mind that I have ridden over hundreds of manhole covers by this point and there’s nothing special about the one I crashed on, this is why I think there must have been contributing factor like the tire that caused the crash.
Hsiang there is another theory regarding suspension setup and tuning also there is the tire. I’m going to ask a suspension expert to chime in to see if that played a roll. Hopefully I may have an answer on that.
@@OWGAC perhaps you the v11 made you slightly compliant with its suspension and you didn't grip the sides as hard? ik whenever i go over bumps on ks14d, i make sure to grip it tightly so my feet stay planted on the pedals, i could imagine a suspension would make it less necessary on many bumps
Glad you're okay. You're a trooper for making this very informative video. I think that tire played the biggest part in your accident. The way it was punctured almost looked like a blowout, but that would have made a big popping sound. Still, in all the videos I have seen of EUC crashes, I have never seen a tire that looked like that afterward. In fact, most of the time it is the tire that remains intact and undamaged more so than the shell and other components of the EUC. Anyway, stay safe, keep riding, and keep the videos coming. :)
Thank you! This is why I thought a defect must had cause it, the tire usually can take a pretty bad hit and even when punctured rarely fail in the way my did.
I thought that at first, but I have never seem this much damage to a tire even in high speed motorcycle crash, also it looks like it’s teared rather than cut.
Damn, not a good week for the V11. First Marty's V11 overheated on it's way to overheat hill and wouldn't turn on and now Hsiang's V11 somehow crashed and turned into a hundred pieces after just one crash.
Ace Uni-Rider That’s not good, 3 major failures in only a handful of machines and all pointing to different weaknesses. I hope they’re able to sort this out quickly before it becomes a major issue.
protection gear is always necessary no matter if you were a mature rider or not. we can not fully trust a wheel considering its battery,suspension, balance, electric component,there are so many factors and each of them could cause a bad crash, even the chance is minimal on modern wheels but we can not take the risks.
not sure if you watched my safety video but gears need to compliment the way you ride also, a full face helmet made it harder for me to turn and look over my shoulder and it is one of the main reason why I don't wear one.
If it was hitting anything (a carb or a truck) that damaged the tire and the case, you'd notice a damage on the wheel rim. The rim might even flatened a bit if that happened. This is what I experienced with my Z10 when I hit the pot hole. The tire was cut and the rim was hit and flatened a bit.
FREAK. That's what a subscriber told me would happen if I rode the V11 the way I did on that jump at your demo day, the suspension would kick back and cause me to fly off. That's crazy man. Very poor design unlike the S18 which was designed around the suspension system. Great video, glad you're safe
I mean it feels a bit like a pogo stick but I think it works just as well as chooch had done lots of jump on his V11, but the S18 is tighter partly because of the lower pedal height.
@@OWGAC s18 has high pedal height UT you can if you want adjust it by 2cm. But it's still pretty high you know, difference is it's nimble, absorbs shocks instead of sending them back to you, and i didn't see chooch do jumps like the s18, do you have a link? At least a pump track or something?
I'm a little concerned about this wheel. This makes the 3rd potential hardware/design issue that we've seen in less than a month of release. I'm definitely going to wait to see if these issues are addressed before making a purchase. Thanks for your feedback and glad you're not injured.
Yeah I heard about Marty’s problem with the wheel, but in my case I don’t think the cause of the crash had anything to do with the wheel design, I don’t even think a motorcycle would survive that much damage to a tire.
Perhaps the majority of the damage to the tire was done at some previous point and all it took was an impact at that exact position of the tire to blow it out? Just throwing it out there... Glad to see your okay, love the vids, keep up the good work!!!
Thank you! The edges of the hole looks ripped rather than cut and ppl said that’s sign that the tire defect cause the blow out, so it was already weaken right from the factory.
Big oooof! At least you'll be riding the Gotway-Ex Soon! I'm at over 500 miles now on my V11, no major issues. Haven't been able to get air in the negative chambers, but it feels great without.
Lesson learned = just because you have a "suspension system" doesn't mean you should purposely ride over bumps/dips. Maybe dodge them unless un-avoidable next time.
LOL what fun would that be? I really don’t think it was any issue with the bump or the suspension, if the tire is defective it was just a matter of time before it goes.
Hence why most car buyers go for suv because its higher, off the ground but doesnt necessary mean just because you have an suv that you should hit every speed bumps, every curb at max speed or whenever the opportunity arises. Just because your speed limit is 30-60mph doesnt mean you should max it out everytime. Otherwise, every lawmakers will take notice on how dangerous these EUC, EBikes etc and will start banning them all over the city. Dont ruin it for everyone.
This is concerning. I know of one rider who uses a strap to keep his wheel from rolling away in such a case. I don’t know how safe that would be for the rider who may then get tangled up with a fallen wheel. However, one thing I like about my Walnutt skateboard is that it stops when you hop off. EUCs need to incorporate that of some safety measure. A truck is one thing. A human or animal is another. Glad you’re okay and thanks for sharing. Now I’m wondering if I should take back my deposit on the V11. Hmm.
A free flying EUC is dangerous, but harness idea just seems to risky to the rider. Imagine needing to bail to avoid a vehicle but having the forward moment drag them under a vehicle. I would look at scooter crashes as example. How many pedestrians have been harmed in scooter crashes? I dont but that data would be interesting to see. Eventually it will happen. A pet or a child of some other person will be severly injured by EUC.
Keep in mind that I only ride that kind of speed when I am in moving car traffic, so for someone to get hit by a wheel they would have to stand in the path of incoming car traffic. It does happen here in NYC but usually they pay attention or they get run over by a car. Leashing the wheel is likely a bad idea as you may turn the predictable straight trajectory of the wheel into a something less predictable while hurting yourself at the same time.
@@OWGAC I do use a leash (a plastic coated metal coil) and no problem at all. I use it from the handle to my belt or to the shoelaces. When you fall you do it in the same line as the EUC goes and as a unit. The EUC suffers lesser damage and you prevent hurting others. Without it I would have lost my EUC more than once, riding on extreme Off-Road (Mountains in Chile). Having used them a lot, I do recommend a suitable leash just as we do with other vehicles (e.g. Sufboards).
Glad that you survived OK. You sound as if you are hoping that the crash was caused by the burst tyre. The burst tyre was almost certainly caused during the crash impact. I have been riding wheels for 4 years and motor cycles for almost 60 years and have suffered burst or rapidly deflating tyres on both. The effect in both cases would not have been what you experienced, for one thing you would have fallen forward possibly after a wobble and not backwards and the wheel would probably not have been able to race away as you described.
Well I went back and forth on this one, my original thought was that the gash was caused by the impact with the truck, but I just don’t see it being fast enough or the impact hard enough for the tire to be damaged that badly, the wheel was still upright when it hit, and the big impact looks to be on top of the handle since I think it hit the lower corner of the mail truck bumper. And if the gash line up with the crack on the side cover its at rear right of the wheel so again, shouldn’t be involved in the initial impact. One of the guys here said they have seen a tire rip because of defect and it looks like it. Also, I felt around the inner tube and I don’t feel a big hole, so the tire might have rip in the initial bump but complete deflation may have taken longer.. but theories of course and I wished I had my camera rolling!
That really looks like a production failure tyre. It's not easy to to damage a tyre like that. I tried once with a grinder to cut a piece out, i needed a piece of isolation for my antenna project. That was hard labour 😄
It's a design flaw! They're is one degree of freedom in the suspension (up/down), but two adjustable air springs. The springs are never the same, so there is lots of uneven stress in the frame as the springs fight each other. Add a bunch of riding cycles and cracks will grow in the metal till it breaks. I'm a mechanical engineer with a broken V11 😅 mine still runs, so I made my own frame and now love it even more.
might not be the case but i drove over a abnormally sharp manhole cover with my car once. I think it was elevated out of the ground more than usual. It ended up ripping 2 of car tires the same way and a piece of metal man hole cover broke.
It made me think of those times playing Super Mario where sometimes you go to jump off a spring and only go part way, but the next time you get shot a ridiculous distance. Glad you're okay & I hope everything gets sorted out.
I do believe as you said you felt your feet leave the EUC when it happened. In that case since the EUC landed first it probaby continued acceleration and your acceleration slowed. That cause your feet to move 1/2 way back on the foot pad and tilted you back which might of caused you to slip off the EUC. Being off balanced when landing back on the foot plate with your wieght off the footpad since your heels are off the foot plate now made you tilt back and kick the EUC forward. I think putting some grip pads on the side of EUC to help with floating and sliding back on foot pad would help alot for air times. I purchased a S18 on the way and I think watching your video that's another thing I'll definately do. Don't want my feet to land where I don't expect it when I'm floating during a bump or jump. Thanks for video, it definately helps me think how to ride safer.
I am sort of on the fence about the speed pads. Some of the veteran riders (like Tishawn) think hat they teach bad habits and that you should learn to control the wheel without relying on them, I personally only have some thinner home made one on my monster, maybe it would have help here? Not sure..
the only explanation so far that makes sense. v11 un-ridable with battery below 18%, burnt up Before OHH, and throwing rider off with no grip. KS S18 now look like a better choice.
I had a similar incident. I got bucked off backwards on a similar road hazard. My gear saved me, but my butt took a hard hit unpadded. The wheel continued but did not impact anything. It wobbled and fell over. A saddle attachment bolt broke loose and the headlight housing got cracked slightly. Everything still works, however.
This is called RUD (rapid unscheduled disassembly). And what is it with the V11 if you look at it wrong, it doesn't want to turn on. That tire rip has to be from the truck impact. Still gotta bend knees on a suspension unicycle. Apparently we need magnetic pedals and magnetic shoe soles, to help glue the rider to the EUC, while still being able to dismount ... not sure how to really make that work.
I feel like people are way better about it now than a year or two ago. I still remember someone stopped me in the street and asked if I build it myself!
Dear Hsiang, IMO you are driving your V11 with the suspension incorrectly adjusted. Of course I can be wrong, but it is not just about the weight of the rider. We should consider also the surface and style of use. You are not doing Off-Road but even your voice shows how hard you you did setup the suspension. In the video you can also see your feet almost at the same level as the motor "shaft". I do not think it is the most stable combination for good control. Even lesser on such a large vehicle. It makes me think that perhaps you should have adjusted the EUC to yourself instead of adjusting yourself to the EUC. Also, as we do with surfboards, skis and others, safety lines are used to maintain control of our vehicle when falling; as larger and faster the EUCs are becoming, more we should consider a similar accessory to reduce damage to our vehicles as well as for the well being of others with whom we share the space. I'm very sorry for your accident, but it could have been way worse. Too many cases of EUCs running wild. By not taking preventive actions, we may be risking to get limited by harsh regulations like it has happened in some countries in Europe after some accidents. I am glad you are well, I follow your great videos, hope you can get your awesome V11 back soon and perhaps we should start considering to use a safety line as much as a helmet.
Thank you! Other have suggested a safety line but I disagree that it would make crash event safer, it would alarm me more to have two heavy objects sliding down the road connected by a wire, I think they use to chain two cannon balls together during medieval time to do extra damage and you may achieve the same effect with a tether.
@@OWGAC My friend I totally understand your first thoughts about the idea but just as you do with your EUC, instead of just guessing I recommend to try it, test it, review it. Find issues to improve and make this transport style even better. I use the described leash and it works just as with other devices (i.e. a large surfboard is not a feather...) and we are responsible of our vehicles. A free running EUC is a serious risk for other people.
Wow excellent observation, after a Crash like that I wouldn't get on that V11 again , for what I heard, someone else got an Accident while riding the V11 I hear something like the wheel burn . I believe S18 still a better choice. By the way do you live in NY?
Glad you're okay and that there was not really other damage than the wheel itself. Your footage shows that the suspension barely compresses, and that your pedal height is probably higher than it should. With too high pressure in the shocks, the lack of sag and lack of travel made the whole wheel bounce instead keeping traction and connecting to your feet.
I prob did have the pressure set a bit high on my wheel, mostly to accommodate all the ppl whom wants to try the wheel. But I have ran over enough manhole covers that it really shouldn’t had been a surprise, this is why I lean towards blaming the tire! No its not because I sucked LOL
Cut off should be forbidden on any EUC no matter what the cause is. It should automatically tilt back, slow the wheel down and only cut off at zero speed! And yes this is possible, just a matter of well thought-out programming! No, we will wait for people to die or until a general ban is implemented caused by wrong security policy! Regardless of all this, I'm glad you come out unharmed!
I am personally skeptical of this fear as a ban would come from perceptions rather than facts. EUCs right now is so little known and by a huge margin that unless we see like a 10x growth in the next yrs or two regulator would not be interested to spent time to regulate. maybe if we're somehow lumped in with escooters.
@@OWGAC In some countries they are forbidden like in the Netherlands. Here in Belgium not, I own some and ride with my kids for fun when ever we can. Just making a point on cut offs, they can be prevented. I am also convinced that without this danger, popularity can only increase as a fully-fledged means of transport. Now that wheels with suspension are on the rise, imagine there was no cut-off risk...
@@BrunoCot I don't necessarily disagree about the cutoff but I am skeptical of what is actually driving regulation. they are banned in Germany so does that mean German are riding too fast and irresponsible on EUCS? or is it because some of the biggest and most powerful Auto manufacturer are German and see PEVs as a competition? if the later is the case then no matter what you do EUC will still be banned because established interests wants it dead just as they did electric car 30 yrs ago.
@@OWGAC Has everything to do with the government being ignorant and thinking EUCs are dangerous. But there is a but, here in Belgium a lot is allowed but now the police in Brussels is starting to chase scooters(steps) because some reach speeds of 70km/h, next on the list are probably EUCs which can exceed 25km/h ... Don't have convince me, I am 100% in favor of EUCs
I love your videos, I wish you would wear more gear. I know it doesn't look cool. But we care about you and want to see many more years of these videos. Great video man.
Hi I know this is a 2 year old video but I'm just about to get my V11 and watching you reminded me of an idea I one head of attaching a lanyard between me and my wheel and wonded if you thing your V11 would have sustained less damage if you had such on your at the time. David
My guess is it was probly that tire. It Could have definitely been a tire defect, or just the right circumstances that caused the tire to blow out. Once the tire blows out it would easily change the ride and make it unpredictable. Glad you weren't injured and sorry about the wheel. Hope it does cost too much to replace/fix. Best of luck bro!
If it was a tire pucture, he must have heard a sound of leaking air for a few seconds or a small bang and experienced strange movement of the wheel. I had a tire pucture incident at about 25 kph a while ago and the whole process took about 3~4 seconds until I landed on the road not beatifully.😅
All things considered you came out unscathed it's easier to fix the V11. Meanwhile enjoy your other wheels till you get the parts you need. Also I must mention I added about a half inch of padding on the saddle sides for grip because the saddle is a little slippery that may have helped your situation.👍
Some people had suggested something similar but the difference being that you rarely surf in proximity to others and if the board swings around the chance of you hitting someone else is low. An EUC is a lot heavier and just as unpredictable so having a tether may make things worst IMHO.
@@OWGAC I was thinking a short tether might prevent it from flying off, it would have to be quite short though to prevent clipping people. Like the lengths between your belt and the euc, and it would attach to the belt rather than the ankle to prevent tripping. Could clip to the trolley handle.
Hi Hsiang, I hope you are recovering well after your fall, I am personally not a fan of wheels with suspension, I much prefer the sure-footed solid wheels, yes the added comfort would be great but the rebound in certain situations is unpredictable. I shall stick with non-suspension wheels for the time being. I wish you a quick recovery mate.
Do you think that maybe the suspension had to much pressure? Increasing your riding height, and making the ride to soft losing control? Essentially spring catapulting you off the V11.
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Thank you! Well, I would never advocate for anyone to ride an EUC on a highway, current gen wheel are not fast enough to do that.. but yes, your experience is totally relevant for people whom are getting into riding, there will always be exciting and euphoria in the beginning given how amazing it is to ride but that’s also why it is also dangerous!
Ouch! Keep us updated with regards to the cost of replacement parts. Crash survivability is a big factor in the decision of what wheel to buy. I really enjoy your analysis.
Hey sorry to hear about this crash and your injuries rest up... take care... best wishes... sometimes you can get strange rebound behaviour from shocks under repeated max travel... this can give quite a jolt unsettling the rider... if you can control the rebound it is best to set it conservatively... I have lost control on MTB several times due to this effect... that cast aluminium frame of the saddle is a worry it tends to be very brittle in shear which it is likely to encounter in that saddle assembly during crashes some tubing would have been better...
I think that suspension design on EUC's has a way to go yet. In all probability an EUC for general use would be better with a shorter suspension travel and a simpler design, just enough to help shock absorption protect riders knees and back and also to maintain a more consistent clearance to the ground.
This is def true and we’re still on gen 1. I do have to say that for Gen 1 I am impressed by the varieties of solutions we have for solving this difficult problem.
Wow Hsiang! 😱, sorry to hear this. Glad you're ok. Definitely not "Scenario 2" 😉. Suspension failure, causing the wheel to twist to one side, hence the damage around the headlight, maybe? 🤔. Stay safe! 🙏
I don’t think its the suspension, I did open up the wheel and exam both sides and all the damages were to the upper nozzle where the weight transfer from the saddle and pedal were. I think the suspension did its thing but the tire blowing up was what caused the extra pop
Maybe a remote deadman switch would prevent an EUC from riding further. A bluetooth remote with multiple options. - deadman switch - speed switch: cruise, full speed etc. - enable lights - etc.
Wow man that sucks! 😥 great to see you survived and landed on your salty eggs haha. 😉 The tire damage most likely happened when it hit the truck. I'm guessing the suspension design that springs your feet (but not the wheel) bounced you off the footpads and caused the crash. People have been mentioning that it feels like the v11 can bounce your feet off the pads. What bothers me is that cast aluminium top handle assembly all smashed up like that. You can see how brittle the cast metal is and the large crystals at the breaks show that metal will be likely to shatter. I think inmotion need to do a redesign there with a stronger material (like forged, or carbon fibre) or larger cross section if they stay with brittle cast metal... maybe just a better quality cast metal, it's a structural component not just a cosmetic one so crappy cast metal is not good enough. 🤔
Yes me being a bad rider is still def possible, but again I have ridden the v11 through worst bumps and probably hit hundreds of manhole covers (since I aim for everyone I can reach) and I just don’t see how this one could had cause me to loose my balance
Could the damage to the tyre have been caused by it hitting the truck? That na age to the case seems to line up quite closely. Another thing is does your weight get transfers to the machine through the cast aluminium frame, if so could a failure in that have caused you to fall off? Glad you weren’t more seriously hurt. Stay safe.
No, your weight transfer through the aluminum slider arm which is more beefy, the thinner frame on top only ties both sides of the pedals together. On the tire, I am again not really sure but since the damage to the case is in the right rear, it shouldn’t since the wheel is still upright and rolling forward at the time.
Perhaps, but remember this isn’t the first hole I hit with this setup, I probably hit at least 30-40 holes, some even deep than this one, so why hasn’t the setting caused a crash earlier? Why I thought there must have been other factors..
@@ruhollahetemadi7518 most Kingsong wheels are pretty durable. They have a good selection of similarly priced wheels. But for an overall solid build, I'd say the Veteran Sherman takes the cake
Slight disagreement on point 2, even though I don't think it was user error. If you are balancing a lot of gear, or cameras, etc... at least for me, I tend to hyper focus, slow down, pay way higher attention. Thus potentially, you could've just relaxed into the eide and paid slightly less attention. Again, with that said, I don't think that's the case. I think the 3rd most likely just due to the way the tire is damaged. Simple flats or screws or nails in the road don't make a multi-jagged cutclike on your tire. I've been riding bicycles for years and never seen a rip like that. Thus, based on the info, this seems the most likely.
Hopefully you’re OK! I’m glad you wear your helmet and your pads!! Because if you didn’t you wouldn’t have a pretty Face right now making this video!🤪👍
Landing on your back sounds like you were bucked off the wheel. This might be due to the wrong pressure on the suspension ; too soft. Glad that you were not too badly hurt. Cheers 👍
I also tend to lean back both as a reaction to try to regain balance and to prepare for a fall since falling in the seated position usually minimize damage for me. Lots of practice from years of snowboarding and rollerblading...
I wonder if the chassis had previously cracked somewhere (due to a poor cast?) and finally gave way during the bump which could have provided a sharp piece of metal to shred the tire. Depending on where the logic board is in relation to the cracked saddle piece could have also damaged electronics enough causing it to keep the euc upright until it hit the mail truck.
I sort of just gave up and wrote it off as a freak accident, I do have to say that it is a very bouncy wheel and I am not riding it without some way of locking my feet down on the pedal!
@@OWGAC Glad you're ok and that is helpful to know. I'm planning to hopefully buy a first wheel a few months from now so I've been geeking out on all the review videos.
Hi Sean, glad you are relatively ok and sorry about your wheel. 2 questions: Was your V11 covered by insurance? Did the guy in the postal truck try to go after you for any damage to his truck? This has been a bad week for Inmotion.
The back end of the mail truck is welded steel, the v11 didn’t even make a scratch on it! He was just concerned if I was hurt. Since I have renter insurance my wheel is technically covered but since its a demo and I didn’t pay for it I can’t make a claim either.
it's a iffy situation for renters insurance to cover any 'motorized' vehicle such as EUC. Anyone not sure should call the insurance provider to be sure.
@@OWGAC okay good, so nothing negative financially for you except the loss of a demo wheel; not that that isn't bad but it could be a lot worse like if you were out cash due to a wheel that you had to pay for. Again, my first concern is that you're okay and I'm glad you are.
@8:53 quote - Gear up you never know - unquote Most of the video, wearing NO elbow nor knee pads 😄 shoulder, chest or back protection 🙄 Glad you are still walking man👊 Don't do as i do, do as I say? 🙈
I would suggest watching the road safety video on my explanation on why I gear the way I do. Also, like you most of my audiences are adults, I am sure that very much like you, they can all think for themselves and don't need some sort of "role models" to teach them the basics of life.
@@OWGAC looked for", road safety" on your video library but the closest i found was this one ruclips.net/video/tPaMRVRW7u8/видео.html pretty normal if there are no rules (and we don't like rules). Most people gear up AFTER the fact, i did as well... Over and over.. Even if im 46y.o. :-) but still, don't be offended by my comment. If you look on your own video you see that you wear no body gear, not even essentials for elbows in the first part of the video and then a short section says "gear up". That's typically what i described and what makes that comment mean nothing for people that have NOT yet crashed... Which means they will likely go down the same route we did ;-) As a side note, my worst crash happened about 15km/h where i didn't wear a helmet... Was just going slow (20km/h run off speed) so thought what the heck.. Its hot outside...ill skip full face helmet. Still I found myself on the ground without remembering how it happened, blood gushing out of my head, police and ambulance there in less than a minute after"waking up" except the people that helped me and asked me if i was okay and that i should NOT ride on even though i was about to... Didn't feel any pain but when they told me about my head and i saw blod pouring down on the wheel i decided it might be a good idea to visit the hospital :-) Not what i wanted but what i got from stupidity regardless of age. Manhole cover WET is my guess when i went back and rode there again. Anyway, in glad you promote gear anyway, lot of young riders out there look at Tarzan and the likes as idols, and think they are immortal
Sorry to hear about your crash Hsiang!.. Good to see and hear that you are okay!.. I'm sure you will soon have your V11 repaired although from experience its horrible to see your pride and joy all battered and scratched! ☹️...it's very disheartening!.. At least it doesnt appear to have knocked your confidence. What pressure did you have in your tyre? 🤔.... The drawback with the Inmotion V10/11 is the high centre of gravity you ride at, there's less chance for you to recover should anything go wrong!.. Hope you discover what caused the accident!.. Cheers!.. 👍...
@@OWGAC Well if your tire was under pressure then that could have caused a blowout...would explain the hole in the tire. What pressure is recommended for that wheel?...For my 18XL it is around 40psi... an under-inflated tyre is just as dangerous as an over-inflated tyre and the amount of friction and heat generated on an under-inf. tyre could well cause a blowout, the manhole surface could have been the catalyst? 🤔...
Oh wow.. I'm really sorry this happened to you bro and I hope you are able to rebuild it relatively easy. I will have mine by next Friday and I'm super excited to experience what you have already confirmed as being a fantastic ride on a well made wheel. I see I'd better not drop it though.... LOL
Oh you’ll love it, its such a nicely made wheel and lovely to ride, just be careful since the higher pedal height take some getting use to, have fun and stay safe!
Fortunally, tofus are safe 😁 my hypothesis is your tire was under pressurized and popped. Shocks Seems to be in good condition and still working. A motor/electronic faillure is unlikely for the reasons you cited. We need a autopsy! Good thing that you are only scratched and bruised, gonna heal and leave you awesome veteran's scars
@@MichaelMutai yes i agree that it would be a problem. i'm assuming more like bindings on skis, that break away at a certain threshold. It would instantly slow the wheels momentum as well as acting as a brake initially for the fallen rider. at the point of the fall the rider and the wheel are moving at the exact same speed, milliseconds after is when the numbers change due to the wheel no longer carrying the weight of the rider and the rider no longer being carried. if there is a break away system to limit the difference it would probably move the numbers closer and reduce the damage to both objects.
I would grab a pliers and start tear testing that tire by pulling the side studs outward. The exact oopposite way from where road impacts usually occure. My hunch is the stud got stuck in that manhole cover's gap for just enough time to tear the fabric.
I did check the manhole cover and did not see any thing that the tread could get stuck in, other than that rip, everything else felt normal on the tire. But I’ll try the plier test and see if anything unusual happens!
Possibly a small piece of metal wedged against the rim of the drain cover at the wrong time. Couldn’t find it because the force was so high and sent it flying. It did the damage to the wheel next to the tyre as it ejected 🤷🏼♂️ enjoy a good investigation
I was this close of purchasing either a Kingsong S18 or Inmotion V11. But after seeing this I might get the Veteran Sherman because of speed, range, and more importantly the roll cage.
They are very very different wheels, the V11 is a perfect commuter, the s18 an off-road beast and the Sherman a high speed wheel. Its like comparing a Mercedes to a BMW to a Ferrari!
I personally think that ppl over-reacted a bit on that; its a move to protect the dealer and don’t really directly benefit KS so I am not quite sure why they are getting all the heat.
So you would rather buy a product that is not legally accredited by KS? Who will you contact for warranty, the 3rd party? Also, how can you guarantee that they are using genuine parts? Knowing some chinese manufacturers can use cloned parts. I dont see the distaste either. I mean, you will be riding this thing on the street and your safety is paramount but you would prefer to put your trust on some random dealer. Play with fire huh.
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Hi Hsiang, is the bottom part of the pedal metal hinge edge able to possibly come in contact with the tyre? When on landing from a height, the pedal is at its lowest height from the ground, when the tyre has been fully compressed and bulging outwards from the wheel rim, is it possible for the tyre to come in contact with the metal part of the pedal hinge? Perhaps check and see if it is possible to determine if the direction of the tear is from the rear end of the EUC towards the front. This would be consistent with contact made with the tyre rolling in the forward motion. Thanks.
Hi again, the location of the rip is towards the side of the tyre. Maybe examine the underside of the EUC on that side to see if there are any bits of tyre, markings, scratches, damage or any other evidence to suggest contact between tyre and EUC undercarriage anywhere. Thanks.
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There’s probably nothing they can do about the tire defect as that is a freak accident that rarely happens. I honestly don’t feel like there’s anything I would change about the V11, well maybe a lower pedal height but thats it.
@@OWGAC thank you for the reply! Yes, its a great wheel. Did you see the overheat hill test. It seems like the v11 just randomly stopped working. Maybe yours did the same thing?
not a scientist but is there a chance that if the day was very warm and if you were riding for a long time, it would have probably heated up the tire quite a bit and even a slight sudden of pressure could cause a rapture? (meaning tyre had some kind of defect)
I haven’t ridden for long before the crash since I just left my home, but I did have the bad habit of hitting every potholes I can reach to test out the suspension, so the failure was prob caused by those repeated hits.
Lesson for me: If someone with this much experience crashed this badly, gear is a MUST. Gear may be expensive but not nearly as much as my $7000 medical insurance deductible.
I don't know, 5 euros for the hospital fee sounds cheaper to me than hundreds on gear.
Very much so! Accident always happen when you least expect it!
Glad you were only sore, sorry about the V11
Kezeal Kether the pain and scarring of road rash is worth more than 5 euro
@Ribeye Robert D Did my joke hurt your feelings?
I’m happy you are completely in good health and didn’t loose a limb. Another classic video Bro, be safe and stay gear up
Thank you!
Enough said
Ask the shops at that street if they have a camera video footage that shows the crush.
At least you are fine and nobody else got hurt from the wheel, that’s what matters!
Thank you! As to the camera, even if there were, it’ll probably be too far to make a difference, only way is I had a close up view to see if the tire really popped because of the bump.
Never gear up for the ride, gear up for the slide...
Great vid! We are waiting to receive our V11 and S18 and excited to start learning to ride. This vid is helpful to prepare for possible issues.
Pad your wheel and protect them cuz you’ll drop them lots during the learning process!
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Scenario you didn't mention: failure of one of the two air shock chambers. A sudden pressure loss could have caused the behavior you encountered and loss of footing. Since both chambers were damaged in the crash it's possible the crash damaged covered up this failure. Do the shocks both still hold pressure with the damage shown? If they do that rules out my theory, but if not this may be worth considering.
Thank you for sharing the good and the bad experiences with these amazing devices.
THIS. Please, when you have time, check to see if the shocks are still pressurized.
Interesting theory. I just checked and chambers on both sides all held pressure (still at 120), even the negative chamber with their bend nozzles.
@@OWGAC Good to know!
@@OWGAC Especially, as I could see a failure in 1 chamber causing problems. That is one thing about the Kingsong design, even with it's linkage complexity, that is a bit more... bulletproof... no potential for and unbalanced situation of sorts. In fact... I wonder how significantly unequal pressures in the V11 design would translate to rideability? Be an interesting test.
@@OWGAC The chamber appear to be pretty sturdy.
If they didn't pop under Chooch then they must be pretty strong.
You keep saying you wasted 10 or 15 minutes of my life, but most of the time you've provided info that will save lots of time/cash.. absolutely not wasting time, IMHO -- thanks Hsiang!
That was an amazing amount of damage. And the tire! Oh well. So this was your personal wheel? I thought maybe it was a review wheel. And please let us know why it won't turn on. Good luck.
Marty! It was from InMotion! And of course I wreck it before I even reviewed it! =( I’ll have to open it up more and see if I can see any internal damage, maybe the hit to the headlight disconnected something inside?
I believe you suffered from “rider float”. It’s almost the same theory as valve float in an engine. The sudden drop the rider and the euc encountered at different rate or the rider suffers from a delayed descend. Obviously, there was a point where there was a separation from the rider and machine which force the rider to float. which means the euc descended first before the rider did. At that high rate of speed , the euc may have landed and compressed at the inner manhole ring which may have cause the bottom half of the euc to slow down while the top half may have rotated forward changing the angle of the peddles. The rider’s center of mass is now behind his feet. In that position, he now lands or crashes into the euc misaligned , with most of his feet landing on some of the peddles, and then rolling / sliding.
Keep in mind that I have ridden over hundreds of manhole covers by this point and there’s nothing special about the one I crashed on, this is why I think there must have been contributing factor like the tire that caused the crash.
Hsiang there is another theory regarding suspension setup and tuning also there is the tire. I’m going to ask a suspension expert to chime in to see if that played a roll. Hopefully I may have an answer on that.
@@OWGAC perhaps you the v11 made you slightly compliant with its suspension and you didn't grip the sides as hard? ik whenever i go over bumps on ks14d, i make sure to grip it tightly so my feet stay planted on the pedals, i could imagine a suspension would make it less necessary on many bumps
Glad you're okay. You're a trooper for making this very informative video. I think that tire played the biggest part in your accident. The way it was punctured almost looked like a blowout, but that would have made a big popping sound. Still, in all the videos I have seen of EUC crashes, I have never seen a tire that looked like that afterward. In fact, most of the time it is the tire that remains intact and undamaged more so than the shell and other components of the EUC. Anyway, stay safe, keep riding, and keep the videos coming. :)
Thank you! This is why I thought a defect must had cause it, the tire usually can take a pretty bad hit and even when punctured rarely fail in the way my did.
I would say the the tire rip is probably associated with the wheel spinning up at some point during the crash and snagging something on the truck.
I thought that at first, but I have never seem this much damage to a tire even in high speed motorcycle crash, also it looks like it’s teared rather than cut.
same here
Damn, not a good week for the V11. First Marty's V11 overheated on it's way to overheat hill and wouldn't turn on and now Hsiang's V11 somehow crashed and turned into a hundred pieces after just one crash.
Yup, at least in my case I don’t think its the fault of the V11.
And Duf's video
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What happens to Duff’s V11?
Dump Chump Rode in the rain and it died
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That’s not good, 3 major failures in only a handful of machines and all pointing to different weaknesses. I hope they’re able to sort this out quickly before it becomes a major issue.
protection gear is always necessary no matter if you were a mature rider or not. we can not fully trust a wheel considering its battery,suspension, balance, electric component,there are so many factors and each of them could cause a bad crash, even the chance is minimal on modern wheels but we can not take the risks.
not sure if you watched my safety video but gears need to compliment the way you ride also, a full face helmet made it harder for me to turn and look over my shoulder and it is one of the main reason why I don't wear one.
Great to see all your limbs intact! And no official involvement! Luckeee
those box tofu really save my rear end, literally LOL
If it was hitting anything (a carb or a truck) that damaged the tire and the case, you'd notice a damage on the wheel rim. The rim might even flatened a bit if that happened. This is what I experienced with my Z10 when I hit the pot hole. The tire was cut and the rim was hit and flatened a bit.
Agreed; the amount of force need to make a hole that size would have at least dented the rim and destroy any casing around it!
FREAK. That's what a subscriber told me would happen if I rode the V11 the way I did on that jump at your demo day, the suspension would kick back and cause me to fly off. That's crazy man. Very poor design unlike the S18 which was designed around the suspension system. Great video, glad you're safe
Didn't I tell you that actually😅??
I mean it feels a bit like a pogo stick but I think it works just as well as chooch had done lots of jump on his V11, but the S18 is tighter partly because of the lower pedal height.
@@OWGAC gotcha
@@OWGAC s18 has high pedal height UT you can if you want adjust it by 2cm. But it's still pretty high you know, difference is it's nimble, absorbs shocks instead of sending them back to you, and i didn't see chooch do jumps like the s18, do you have a link? At least a pump track or something?
I'm a little concerned about this wheel. This makes the 3rd potential hardware/design issue that we've seen in less than a month of release. I'm definitely going to wait to see if these issues are addressed before making a purchase. Thanks for your feedback and glad you're not injured.
Yeah I heard about Marty’s problem with the wheel, but in my case I don’t think the cause of the crash had anything to do with the wheel design, I don’t even think a motorcycle would survive that much damage to a tire.
Ya it's been a bad 12 hours for the V11 on youtube. I was going to order one, but my faith is shaken.
Perhaps the majority of the damage to the tire was done at some previous point and all it took was an impact at that exact position of the tire to blow it out?
Just throwing it out there...
Glad to see your okay, love the vids, keep up the good work!!!
Thank you! The edges of the hole looks ripped rather than cut and ppl said that’s sign that the tire defect cause the blow out, so it was already weaken right from the factory.
Big oooof! At least you'll be riding the Gotway-Ex Soon! I'm at over 500 miles now on my V11, no major issues. Haven't been able to get air in the negative chambers, but it feels great without.
You should try! It wasn’t hard to take the saddle panels off, prob took me less than a minute to do each side!
@Hsiang I've tried putting air in, but 90% of it seems to instantly leak out when unscrewing air pump - I'll keep try🙏🙏ing
Hmm very interesting ..I shall definitely start wearing more Tofu .. I knew it was good for something .
LOL
Lesson learned = just because you have a "suspension system" doesn't mean you should purposely ride over bumps/dips. Maybe dodge them unless un-avoidable next time.
LOL what fun would that be? I really don’t think it was any issue with the bump or the suspension, if the tire is defective it was just a matter of time before it goes.
Hence why most car buyers go for suv because its higher, off the ground but doesnt necessary mean just because you have an suv that you should hit every speed bumps, every curb at max speed or whenever the opportunity arises. Just because your speed limit is 30-60mph doesnt mean you should max it out everytime. Otherwise, every lawmakers will take notice on how dangerous these EUC, EBikes etc and will start banning them all over the city. Dont ruin it for everyone.
Glad you didn't suffer a significant injury. Stay safe and healthy!
Thank you!
@@OWGAC Thank you for all you do for our hobby :)
This is concerning. I know of one rider who uses a strap to keep his wheel from rolling away in such a case. I don’t know how safe that would be for the rider who may then get tangled up with a fallen wheel. However, one thing I like about my Walnutt skateboard is that it stops when you hop off. EUCs need to incorporate that of some safety measure. A truck is one thing. A human or animal is another. Glad you’re okay and thanks for sharing. Now I’m wondering if I should take back my deposit on the V11. Hmm.
A free flying EUC is dangerous, but harness idea just seems to risky to the rider. Imagine needing to bail to avoid a vehicle but having the forward moment drag them under a vehicle.
I would look at scooter crashes as example. How many pedestrians have been harmed in scooter crashes? I dont but that data would be interesting to see.
Eventually it will happen. A pet or a child of some other person will be severly injured by EUC.
Keep in mind that I only ride that kind of speed when I am in moving car traffic, so for someone to get hit by a wheel they would have to stand in the path of incoming car traffic. It does happen here in NYC but usually they pay attention or they get run over by a car. Leashing the wheel is likely a bad idea as you may turn the predictable straight trajectory of the wheel into a something less predictable while hurting yourself at the same time.
He could wear a quick release leash which detaches beyond a certain force. A simple version would be a velcro strap which would rip free.
@@racquetballnorthwest3917 That's what I was thinking. Velcro. At least slow the wheel down as it moves away.
@@OWGAC I do use a leash (a plastic coated metal coil) and no problem at all. I use it from the handle to my belt or to the shoelaces. When you fall you do it in the same line as the EUC goes and as a unit. The EUC suffers lesser damage and you prevent hurting others. Without it I would have lost my EUC more than once, riding on extreme Off-Road (Mountains in Chile). Having used them a lot, I do recommend a suitable leash just as we do with other vehicles (e.g. Sufboards).
Glad that you survived OK. You sound as if you are hoping that the crash was caused by the burst tyre. The burst tyre was almost certainly caused during the crash impact. I have been riding wheels for 4 years and motor cycles for almost 60 years and have suffered burst or rapidly deflating tyres on both. The effect in both cases would not have been what you experienced, for one thing you would have fallen forward possibly after a wobble and not backwards and the wheel would probably not have been able to race away as you described.
Well I went back and forth on this one, my original thought was that the gash was caused by the impact with the truck, but I just don’t see it being fast enough or the impact hard enough for the tire to be damaged that badly, the wheel was still upright when it hit, and the big impact looks to be on top of the handle since I think it hit the lower corner of the mail truck bumper. And if the gash line up with the crack on the side cover its at rear right of the wheel so again, shouldn’t be involved in the initial impact. One of the guys here said they have seen a tire rip because of defect and it looks like it. Also, I felt around the inner tube and I don’t feel a big hole, so the tire might have rip in the initial bump but complete deflation may have taken longer.. but theories of course and I wished I had my camera rolling!
I'm glad you're okay. The damage to the wheel looks minor. I'm sure it'll buff right out. 😂
Just a flesh wound! LOL
That really looks like a production failure tyre. It's not easy to to damage a tyre like that. I tried once with a grinder to cut a piece out, i needed a piece of isolation for my antenna project. That was hard labour 😄
Maybe I should have include an even better close up but it really looks like a rip rather than a cut, so I am with you on the defect theory.
It's a design flaw! They're is one degree of freedom in the suspension (up/down), but two adjustable air springs. The springs are never the same, so there is lots of uneven stress in the frame as the springs fight each other. Add a bunch of riding cycles and cracks will grow in the metal till it breaks.
I'm a mechanical engineer with a broken V11 😅 mine still runs, so I made my own frame and now love it even more.
thank god you're ok. there should be a mechanism stopping the EUC. a kind of emergency brake system.
Thank you! Needs little parachutes
@@OWGAC definitely 👍🏻 or little braking rockets 🚀
might not be the case but i drove over a abnormally sharp manhole cover with my car once. I think it was elevated out of the ground more than usual. It ended up ripping 2 of car tires the same way and a piece of metal man hole cover broke.
I know what you mean! Some of them have a sharp raised rim but the one I fell on don’t..
It made me think of those times playing Super Mario where sometimes you go to jump off a spring and only go part way, but the next time you get shot a ridiculous distance. Glad you're okay & I hope everything gets sorted out.
LOL, Mario was much better at landing than I am though!
I do believe as you said you felt your feet leave the EUC when it happened. In that case since the EUC landed first it probaby continued acceleration and your acceleration slowed. That cause your feet to move 1/2 way back on the foot pad and tilted you back which might of caused you to slip off the EUC. Being off balanced when landing back on the foot plate with your wieght off the footpad since your heels are off the foot plate now made you tilt back and kick the EUC forward. I think putting some grip pads on the side of EUC to help with floating and sliding back on foot pad would help alot for air times. I purchased a S18 on the way and I think watching your video that's another thing I'll definately do. Don't want my feet to land where I don't expect it when I'm floating during a bump or jump. Thanks for video, it definately helps me think how to ride safer.
I am sort of on the fence about the speed pads. Some of the veteran riders (like Tishawn) think hat they teach bad habits and that you should learn to control the wheel without relying on them, I personally only have some thinner home made one on my monster, maybe it would have help here? Not sure..
the only explanation so far that makes sense. v11 un-ridable with battery below 18%, burnt up Before OHH, and throwing rider off with no grip. KS S18 now look like a better choice.
I had a similar incident. I got bucked off backwards on a similar road hazard. My gear saved me, but my butt took a hard hit unpadded. The wheel continued but did not impact anything. It wobbled and fell over. A saddle attachment bolt broke loose and the headlight housing got cracked slightly. Everything still works, however.
Wow, glad to hear you’re okay physically. The V11 not so much. Keep us posted if you learn any additional issues. Stay safe bro.
Thank you!
It sure sucks that you crashed your wheel, but at least you are ok. I hope that Inmotion can help get your wheel up and running quickly.
Thank you! I hope so too!!
This is called RUD (rapid unscheduled disassembly). And what is it with the V11 if you look at it wrong, it doesn't want to turn on. That tire rip has to be from the truck impact. Still gotta bend knees on a suspension unicycle. Apparently we need magnetic pedals and magnetic shoe soles, to help glue the rider to the EUC, while still being able to dismount ... not sure how to really make that work.
LOL I never heard of RUD before, good one!
I still want one. Rip Hsiang’s V11.. :(
Me too!! I want my fixed! =D
Admiteddly my favorite part of these vids is the reactions and stares of peple who are like "wtf is that" or "how is he going so fast"
I feel like people are way better about it now than a year or two ago. I still remember someone stopped me in the street and asked if I build it myself!
Dear Hsiang, IMO you are driving your V11 with the suspension incorrectly adjusted. Of course I can be wrong, but it is not just about the weight of the rider. We should consider also the surface and style of use. You are not doing Off-Road but even your voice shows how hard you you did setup the suspension. In the video you can also see your feet almost at the same level as the motor "shaft". I do not think it is the most stable combination for good control. Even lesser on such a large vehicle. It makes me think that perhaps you should have adjusted the EUC to yourself instead of adjusting yourself to the EUC. Also, as we do with surfboards, skis and others, safety lines are used to maintain control of our vehicle when falling; as larger and faster the EUCs are becoming, more we should consider a similar accessory to reduce damage to our vehicles as well as for the well being of others with whom we share the space. I'm very sorry for your accident, but it could have been way worse. Too many cases of EUCs running wild. By not taking preventive actions, we may be risking to get limited by harsh regulations like it has happened in some countries in Europe after some accidents. I am glad you are well, I follow your great videos, hope you can get your awesome V11 back soon and perhaps we should start considering to use a safety line as much as a helmet.
Thank you! Other have suggested a safety line but I disagree that it would make crash event safer, it would alarm me more to have two heavy objects sliding down the road connected by a wire, I think they use to chain two cannon balls together during medieval time to do extra damage and you may achieve the same effect with a tether.
@@OWGAC My friend I totally understand your first thoughts about the idea but just as you do with your EUC, instead of just guessing I recommend to try it, test it, review it. Find issues to improve and make this transport style even better. I use the described leash and it works just as with other devices (i.e. a large surfboard is not a feather...) and we are responsible of our vehicles. A free running EUC is a serious risk for other people.
Wow excellent observation, after a Crash like that I wouldn't get on that V11 again , for what I heard, someone else got an Accident while riding the V11 I hear something like the wheel burn . I believe S18 still a better choice. By the way do you live in NY?
Glad you're okay and that there was not really other damage than the wheel itself.
Your footage shows that the suspension barely compresses, and that your pedal height is probably higher than it should.
With too high pressure in the shocks, the lack of sag and lack of travel made the whole wheel bounce instead keeping traction and connecting to your feet.
I prob did have the pressure set a bit high on my wheel, mostly to accommodate all the ppl whom wants to try the wheel. But I have ran over enough manhole covers that it really shouldn’t had been a surprise, this is why I lean towards blaming the tire! No its not because I sucked LOL
@@OWGAC it would be very interesting to have an analysis of the tire done by a specialist indeed!
Cut off should be forbidden on any EUC no matter what the cause is. It should automatically tilt back, slow the wheel down and only cut off at zero speed! And yes this is possible, just a matter of well thought-out programming! No, we will wait for people to die or until a general ban is implemented caused by wrong security policy! Regardless of all this, I'm glad you come out unharmed!
I am personally skeptical of this fear as a ban would come from perceptions rather than facts. EUCs right now is so little known and by a huge margin that unless we see like a 10x growth in the next yrs or two regulator would not be interested to spent time to regulate. maybe if we're somehow lumped in with escooters.
@@OWGAC In some countries they are forbidden like in the Netherlands. Here in Belgium not, I own some and ride with my kids for fun when ever we can. Just making a point on cut offs, they can be prevented. I am also convinced that without this danger, popularity can only increase as a fully-fledged means of transport. Now that wheels with suspension are on the rise, imagine there was no cut-off risk...
@@BrunoCot I don't necessarily disagree about the cutoff but I am skeptical of what is actually driving regulation. they are banned in Germany so does that mean German are riding too fast and irresponsible on EUCS? or is it because some of the biggest and most powerful Auto manufacturer are German and see PEVs as a competition? if the later is the case then no matter what you do EUC will still be banned because established interests wants it dead just as they did electric car 30 yrs ago.
@@OWGAC Has everything to do with the government being ignorant and thinking EUCs are dangerous. But there is a but, here in Belgium a lot is allowed but now the police in Brussels is starting to chase scooters(steps) because some reach speeds of 70km/h, next on the list are probably EUCs which can exceed 25km/h ... Don't have convince me, I am 100% in favor of EUCs
I love your videos, I wish you would wear more gear. I know it doesn't look cool. But we care about you and want to see many more years of these videos. Great video man.
Thank you! Ooh I am long past the days when I care if I looked cool! =D
@@OWGAC you and me both!
Hi I know this is a 2 year old video but I'm just about to get my V11 and watching you reminded me of an idea I one head of attaching a lanyard between me and my wheel and wonded if you thing your V11 would have sustained less damage if you had such on your at the time. David
My guess is it was probly that tire. It Could have definitely been a tire defect, or just the right circumstances that caused the tire to blow out. Once the tire blows out it would easily change the ride and make it unpredictable.
Glad you weren't injured and sorry about the wheel. Hope it does cost too much to replace/fix. Best of luck bro!
If it was a tire pucture, he must have heard a sound of leaking air for a few seconds or a small bang and experienced strange movement of the wheel. I had a tire pucture incident at about 25 kph a while ago and the whole process took about 3~4 seconds until I landed on the road not beatifully.😅
Thank you! Yea I lean towards the tire also. Its the most unusual thing about the crash!
J S Park: its so noisy here even if it had made a sound I wouldn’t have heard it!
All things considered you came out unscathed it's easier to fix the V11. Meanwhile enjoy your other wheels till you get the parts you need. Also I must mention I added about a half inch of padding on the saddle sides for grip because the saddle is a little slippery that may have helped your situation.👍
Thank you! I thought about it, but the the wheel look so nice and clean, I didn’t want to start covering it up!
they need to impermeant a weight sensor so if one comes off the euc its can know to apply brakes
Great idea! there are so many software things they should do to help make these wheels better!
Glad you're ok, buddy.
Thank you!!
I wonder if EUC should have a surfer's tether, similar to what surfers use to make sure their boards don't get away
Some people had suggested something similar but the difference being that you rarely surf in proximity to others and if the board swings around the chance of you hitting someone else is low. An EUC is a lot heavier and just as unpredictable so having a tether may make things worst IMHO.
@@OWGAC I was thinking a short tether might prevent it from flying off, it would have to be quite short though to prevent clipping people. Like the lengths between your belt and the euc, and it would attach to the belt rather than the ankle to prevent tripping. Could clip to the trolley handle.
Hi Hsiang, I hope you are recovering well after your fall, I am personally not a fan of wheels with suspension, I much prefer the sure-footed solid wheels, yes the added comfort would be great but the rebound in certain situations is unpredictable. I shall stick with non-suspension wheels for the time being. I wish you a quick recovery mate.
Thank you! Try one when you do have the chance since even with this crash I still very much think that they’re the future!
Do you think that maybe the suspension had to much pressure?
Increasing your riding height, and making the ride to soft losing control?
Essentially spring catapulting you off the V11.
I tried both 100psi and 150psi and it did not seem to make much difference in riding height at least for me.
Yoo bro.. Hope that you get better and that soon you will be roding the v11 once again
Thank you! And it was soo new and nice =(
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Thank you! Well, I would never advocate for anyone to ride an EUC on a highway, current gen wheel are not fast enough to do that.. but yes, your experience is totally relevant for people whom are getting into riding, there will always be exciting and euphoria in the beginning given how amazing it is to ride but that’s also why it is also dangerous!
Ouch!
Keep us updated with regards to the cost of replacement parts. Crash survivability is a big factor in the decision of what wheel to buy.
I really enjoy your analysis.
thank you! yeah unfrotuantely since they are so back logged it'll prob take a while for spare parts to even start becoming available.
Sorry to hear that man. Try to stay safe.
If you struck a small sharp piece of debris it could easily have been thrown far.
Glad you are safe. Interesting analysis.
Hey sorry to hear about this crash and your injuries rest up... take care... best wishes... sometimes you can get strange rebound behaviour from shocks under repeated max travel... this can give quite a jolt unsettling the rider... if you can control the rebound it is best to set it conservatively... I have lost control on MTB several times due to this effect... that cast aluminium frame of the saddle is a worry it tends to be very brittle in shear which it is likely to encounter in that saddle assembly during crashes some tubing would have been better...
Thanks and yes I do need more practice riding a suspension wheel since they do feel very different than a traditional EUC!
Ouch, sorry! Between this and Marty's experience with the V11, I'm very happy I bought the S18.
S18 is nice, have fun!
I think that suspension design on EUC's has a way to go yet. In all probability an EUC for general use would be better with a shorter suspension travel and a simpler design, just enough to help shock absorption protect riders knees and back and also to maintain a more consistent clearance to the ground.
This is def true and we’re still on gen 1. I do have to say that for Gen 1 I am impressed by the varieties of solutions we have for solving this difficult problem.
The V11 seems to be more of a Cadillac for cruising while the S18 seems to be more of a Dune buggy for off-roading.
I still prefer the V11.
I agree 100%!
Wow Hsiang! 😱, sorry to hear this. Glad you're ok. Definitely not "Scenario 2" 😉. Suspension failure, causing the wheel to twist to one side, hence the damage around the headlight, maybe? 🤔. Stay safe! 🙏
I don’t think its the suspension, I did open up the wheel and exam both sides and all the damages were to the upper nozzle where the weight transfer from the saddle and pedal were. I think the suspension did its thing but the tire blowing up was what caused the extra pop
Maybe a remote deadman switch would prevent an EUC from riding further.
A bluetooth remote with multiple options.
- deadman switch
- speed switch: cruise, full speed etc.
- enable lights
- etc.
Remember it is a 60lbs weight traveling at 26mph+ not a lot you can do to slow down something like that
Wow man that sucks! 😥 great to see you survived and landed on your salty eggs haha. 😉
The tire damage most likely happened when it hit the truck.
I'm guessing the suspension design that springs your feet (but not the wheel) bounced you off the footpads and caused the crash. People have been mentioning that it feels like the v11 can bounce your feet off the pads.
What bothers me is that cast aluminium top handle assembly all smashed up like that. You can see how brittle the cast metal is and the large crystals at the breaks show that metal will be likely to shatter. I think inmotion need to do a redesign there with a stronger material (like forged, or carbon fibre) or larger cross section if they stay with brittle cast metal... maybe just a better quality cast metal, it's a structural component not just a cosmetic one so crappy cast metal is not good enough. 🤔
Yes me being a bad rider is still def possible, but again I have ridden the v11 through worst bumps and probably hit hundreds of manhole covers (since I aim for everyone I can reach) and I just don’t see how this one could had cause me to loose my balance
Great video as usual @Hsiang and glad your OK! I still want the V11!!!
I still think its a great wheel! And I miss my!
I am wondering did you have pressure in the negative chamber? @hsiang
Glad ur okay brother, and still riding! keep up the quality content
Thank you!
Could the damage to the tyre have been caused by it hitting the truck? That na age to the case seems to line up quite closely.
Another thing is does your weight get transfers to the machine through the cast aluminium frame, if so could a failure in that have caused you to fall off?
Glad you weren’t more seriously hurt. Stay safe.
No, your weight transfer through the aluminum slider arm which is more beefy, the thinner frame on top only ties both sides of the pedals together. On the tire, I am again not really sure but since the damage to the case is in the right rear, it shouldn’t since the wheel is still upright and rolling forward at the time.
Come on Roll.NZ we need a bodyguard for the v11!
It’ll be difficult to make for the V11 cuz all the moving parts, but yeah would be nice!
Wonder how that would work with the wheel's suspension travel.
@@OWGAC I was thinking they could do a two part bodyguard. One for the saddle and another for the rest of the body
@@moonlad3835 I agree
@@1cplpat that we need a bodyguard in general or they should make one with two pieces?
I'm glad you're ok!
Thank you!
Glad the wheel did not kill someone... Get a back guard to not end like Christopher reeve. Good video as usual
The guards are the packs of tofus I carry! LOL
@@OWGAC I see protections from the roots 😉
Lol "gear up" followed by clip in teeshirt and shorts with no pads on
In all seriousness I'm really glad to see that you're doing good
LOL you caught me!
Improper air pressure in suspension and shock rebound settings could have cause the crash
Perhaps, but remember this isn’t the first hole I hit with this setup, I probably hit at least 30-40 holes, some even deep than this one, so why hasn’t the setting caused a crash earlier? Why I thought there must have been other factors..
@@OWGAC the shock thats equiped on the v11 isnt that high of quality, could have blown out internals after some potholes.
You keep wasting our time and we keep coming back. 🤣
LOL must be those catchy tunes!
The damage to the V11 is the exact fear I had with their design. Beautiful wheel but fragile design :( sad to see this happen
It is a very hard crash and so far I haven’t heard it happen to anyone else yet, so hopefully its an anomaly.
@@OWGAC hopefully cause the V11 is one I definetly want to get lol
can you reccomend a more robust euc??? any better quality euc with the same price range?
@@ruhollahetemadi7518 most Kingsong wheels are pretty durable. They have a good selection of similarly priced wheels. But for an overall solid build, I'd say the Veteran Sherman takes the cake
Are there EUC's existing that have a black box, so you can figure out what happened and when incl. gps etc.?
nope, we're still trying to get smart BMS!
Slight disagreement on point 2, even though I don't think it was user error. If you are balancing a lot of gear, or cameras, etc... at least for me, I tend to hyper focus, slow down, pay way higher attention. Thus potentially, you could've just relaxed into the eide and paid slightly less attention. Again, with that said, I don't think that's the case.
I think the 3rd most likely just due to the way the tire is damaged. Simple flats or screws or nails in the road don't make a multi-jagged cutclike on your tire. I've been riding bicycles for years and never seen a rip like that. Thus, based on the info, this seems the most likely.
Yeah that rip was shocking to see, I never seen one that bad!
Hopefully you’re OK! I’m glad you wear your helmet and your pads!! Because if you didn’t you wouldn’t have a pretty Face right now making this video!🤪👍
I am fine. LOL pretty face you sure you watching my videos?
Landing on your back sounds like you were bucked off the wheel. This might be due to the wrong pressure on the suspension ; too soft. Glad that you were not too badly hurt. Cheers 👍
I also tend to lean back both as a reaction to try to regain balance and to prepare for a fall since falling in the seated position usually minimize damage for me. Lots of practice from years of snowboarding and rollerblading...
Hsiang: Good tactic. Better than face planting. 👍
I wonder if the chassis had previously cracked somewhere (due to a poor cast?) and finally gave way during the bump which could have provided a sharp piece of metal to shred the tire. Depending on where the logic board is in relation to the cracked saddle piece could have also damaged electronics enough causing it to keep the euc upright until it hit the mail truck.
I sort of just gave up and wrote it off as a freak accident, I do have to say that it is a very bouncy wheel and I am not riding it without some way of locking my feet down on the pedal!
@@OWGAC Glad you're ok and that is helpful to know. I'm planning to hopefully buy a first wheel a few months from now so I've been geeking out on all the review videos.
Great video, and excellent story Hsiang. I think I’ll ride the z10 tomorrow....love that wheel.
Thank you!!
Hi Sean, glad you are relatively ok and sorry about your wheel. 2 questions: Was your V11 covered by insurance? Did the guy in the postal truck try to go after you for any damage to his truck? This has been a bad week for Inmotion.
The back end of the mail truck is welded steel, the v11 didn’t even make a scratch on it! He was just concerned if I was hurt. Since I have renter insurance my wheel is technically covered but since its a demo and I didn’t pay for it I can’t make a claim either.
it's a iffy situation for renters insurance to cover any 'motorized' vehicle such as EUC. Anyone not sure should call the insurance provider to be sure.
@@OWGAC okay good, so nothing negative financially for you except the loss of a demo wheel; not that that isn't bad but it could be a lot worse like if you were out cash due to a wheel that you had to pay for. Again, my first concern is that you're okay and I'm glad you are.
Wow I'm glad you're okay. I ride in the city on a V8F and strangely now feel safer without a suspension.
Thank you! I can’t blame the wheel as a tire blow out would cause any wheel to crash.
@8:53 quote - Gear up you never know - unquote
Most of the video, wearing NO elbow nor knee pads 😄 shoulder, chest or back protection 🙄 Glad you are still walking man👊
Don't do as i do, do as I say? 🙈
I would suggest watching the road safety video on my explanation on why I gear the way I do. Also, like you most of my audiences are adults, I am sure that very much like you, they can all think for themselves and don't need some sort of "role models" to teach them the basics of life.
@@OWGAC looked for", road safety" on your video library but the closest i found was this one ruclips.net/video/tPaMRVRW7u8/видео.html pretty normal if there are no rules (and we don't like rules). Most people gear up AFTER the fact, i did as well... Over and over.. Even if im 46y.o. :-) but still, don't be offended by my comment. If you look on your own video you see that you wear no body gear, not even essentials for elbows in the first part of the video and then a short section says "gear up". That's typically what i described and what makes that comment mean nothing for people that have NOT yet crashed... Which means they will likely go down the same route we did ;-)
As a side note, my worst crash happened about 15km/h where i didn't wear a helmet... Was just going slow (20km/h run off speed) so thought what the heck.. Its hot outside...ill skip full face helmet. Still I found myself on the ground without remembering how it happened, blood gushing out of my head, police and ambulance there in less than a minute after"waking up" except the people that helped me and asked me if i was okay and that i should NOT ride on even though i was about to... Didn't feel any pain but when they told me about my head and i saw blod pouring down on the wheel i decided it might be a good idea to visit the hospital :-) Not what i wanted but what i got from stupidity regardless of age. Manhole cover WET is my guess when i went back and rode there again.
Anyway, in glad you promote gear anyway, lot of young riders out there look at Tarzan and the likes as idols, and think they are immortal
Sorry to hear about your crash Hsiang!.. Good to see and hear that you are okay!.. I'm sure you will soon have your V11 repaired although from experience its horrible to see your pride and joy all battered and scratched! ☹️...it's very disheartening!.. At least it doesnt appear to have knocked your confidence. What pressure did you have in your tyre? 🤔.... The drawback with the Inmotion V10/11 is the high centre of gravity you ride at, there's less chance for you to recover should anything go wrong!.. Hope you discover what caused the accident!.. Cheers!.. 👍...
Thank you! I did not measure it but it feels like the tire was around 25psi! I am hoping that I can repair it soon too since I miss riding this wheel!
@@OWGAC Well if your tire was under pressure then that could have caused a blowout...would explain the hole in the tire. What pressure is recommended for that wheel?...For my 18XL it is around 40psi... an under-inflated tyre is just as dangerous as an over-inflated tyre and the amount of friction and heat generated on an under-inf. tyre could well cause a blowout, the manhole surface could have been the catalyst? 🤔...
Slicks vid, not to showy but, just right. Sorry for your v11.
Hsiang, did you get your V11 repaired? What eventually happened to the wheel? Other V11 owners like me want to know.
They weren't able to repair it so I am getting it replaced instead, took some time but hopefully the replacement will be here soon
Oh wow.. I'm really sorry this happened to you bro and I hope you are able to rebuild it relatively easy. I will have mine by next Friday and I'm super excited to experience what you have already confirmed as being a fantastic ride on a well made wheel. I see I'd better not drop it though.... LOL
Oh you’ll love it, its such a nicely made wheel and lovely to ride, just be careful since the higher pedal height take some getting use to, have fun and stay safe!
Glad you’re ok
Thank you!
Fortunally, tofus are safe 😁 my hypothesis is your tire was under pressurized and popped. Shocks Seems to be in good condition and still working. A motor/electronic faillure is unlikely for the reasons you cited. We need a autopsy! Good thing that you are only scratched and bruised, gonna heal and leave you awesome veteran's scars
The tire wasn’t too soft, I never measure it but it felt like around 25psi. And I still manage to deliver the tofu too, they were slightly dented =D
Glad your ok man👍
Thank you!
How about using a tag line like is done with surf boards there will be draw backs with any remedy
u will be attached to a canon ball ...not good...i had a cut out on msp and i wouldnt wanna get attached to 55lbs of tumbling weight
@@MichaelMutai yes i agree that it would be a problem. i'm assuming more like bindings on skis, that break away at a certain threshold. It would instantly slow the wheels momentum as well as acting as a brake initially for the fallen rider. at the point of the fall the rider and the wheel are moving at the exact same speed, milliseconds after is when the numbers change due to the wheel no longer carrying the weight of the rider and the rider no longer being carried. if there is a break away system to limit the difference it would probably move the numbers closer and reduce the damage to both objects.
I would grab a pliers and start tear testing that tire by pulling the side studs outward. The exact oopposite way from where road impacts usually occure. My hunch is the stud got stuck in that manhole cover's gap for just enough time to tear the fabric.
I did check the manhole cover and did not see any thing that the tread could get stuck in, other than that rip, everything else felt normal on the tire. But I’ll try the plier test and see if anything unusual happens!
Is V11 still good choice in 2023 considering it’s half the price of V13 ?
i am glad you are alright, but it is sad that the “ultimate commuter wheel” was taken out by a manhole cover 😞 , and shattered in the process
I am leaning towards tire defect being the cause, if that is the case, then any EUCs would have suffered the same fate.
Heartbreaking, but Im glad you're ok. How many wheels do you have to hold you over?
I still have my Monster and Z10! Plus I have the S18 demo still so I have been riding that!
Possibly a small piece of metal wedged against the rim of the drain cover at the wrong time. Couldn’t find it because the force was so high and sent it flying. It did the damage to the wheel next to the tyre as it ejected 🤷🏼♂️ enjoy a good investigation
May be, but I did look at the edges of the opening and it looks more like its teared than cut. But yes that is still a possibility!
It looks like your pedals are really high. What psi are you using? The higher the psi the more likely it is to throw you off when hitting bumps.
I was riding at 120, the psi don’t effect riding height too much, I tried dropping it to 100 and I am still 9” off the ground.
@@OWGAC i here a lot of riders say 80 was a good psi even for heavy riders, i was thinking too maybe high or low psi could have caused it.
I was this close of purchasing either a Kingsong S18 or Inmotion V11. But after seeing this I might get the Veteran Sherman because of speed, range, and more importantly the roll cage.
They are very very different wheels, the V11 is a perfect commuter, the s18 an off-road beast and the Sherman a high speed wheel. Its like comparing a Mercedes to a BMW to a Ferrari!
@Hsiang What helmet did you have when you crashed?
S18 is my choice despite the bad decision of Kingsong to lock wheels that are not purchased in legal distributors
I personally think that ppl over-reacted a bit on that; its a move to protect the dealer and don’t really directly benefit KS so I am not quite sure why they are getting all the heat.
So you would rather buy a product that is not legally accredited by KS? Who will you contact for warranty, the 3rd party? Also, how can you guarantee that they are using genuine parts? Knowing some chinese manufacturers can use cloned parts. I dont see the distaste either. I mean, you will be riding this thing on the street and your safety is paramount but you would prefer to put your trust on some random dealer. Play with fire huh.
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Hi Hsiang, is the bottom part of the pedal metal hinge edge able to possibly come in contact with the tyre?
When on landing from a height, the pedal is at its lowest height from the ground, when the tyre has been fully compressed and bulging outwards from the wheel rim, is it possible for the tyre to come in contact with the metal part of the pedal hinge?
Perhaps check and see if it is possible to determine if the direction of the tear is from the rear end of the EUC towards the front. This would be consistent with contact made with the tyre rolling in the forward motion. Thanks.
Hi again, the location of the rip is towards the side of the tyre. Maybe examine the underside of the EUC on that side to see if there are any bits of tyre, markings, scratches, damage or any other evidence to suggest contact between tyre and EUC undercarriage anywhere. Thanks.
Hsiang I’m glad you’re ok 🤙🏽
HI sorry to heard that hopefully you are okay, what happened to the 18S? I Think was more safe.
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I hope Inmotion will fix all these issues!
There’s probably nothing they can do about the tire defect as that is a freak accident that rarely happens. I honestly don’t feel like there’s anything I would change about the V11, well maybe a lower pedal height but thats it.
@@OWGAC thank you for the reply! Yes, its a great wheel. Did you see the overheat hill test. It seems like the v11 just randomly stopped working. Maybe yours did the same thing?
Thanks for being our crash dummy! Will wait for v2 of those suspension wheels, to polish out defects. Thx but no, thx
Oh but you are missing out on all the bleeding edge fun we’re all having! =D
not a scientist but is there a chance that if the day was very warm and if you were riding for a long time, it would have probably heated up the tire quite a bit and even a slight sudden of pressure could cause a rapture? (meaning tyre had some kind of defect)
I haven’t ridden for long before the crash since I just left my home, but I did have the bad habit of hitting every potholes I can reach to test out the suspension, so the failure was prob caused by those repeated hits.