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This Is What Good Balance Looks Like In Pokemon Unite
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- Опубликовано: 21 мар 2024
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The Pokémon balance is better than the match making
True true
Thats one thing they needa fix now. The match making.
Why does the match making need help
If match making wasn’t as forgiving I think the game would be so much fun.
@@d0unut2-if you haven't found out yet.. Enjoy yourself while you can.. The Lvl 50 5 stacks are coming...
I feel like the Trevenant nerf / buffs from the recent patch are a great example of buffing a move or two and making them more usable where they were struggling before. The most dominant move in Wood Hammer was shaved down a bit, but the two least used moves were buffed, making it so that Trevenant's entire moveset is very usable and mixable.
If they could do that with every Pokemon, it'd be ideal. Its fun to have multiple options to play with any given Pokemon. Having half a pokemon's moveset just generally inferior feels like those moves are a waste. A good balance benchmark for them to strive for IMO.
I can also agree with that. Why even have 2 different options if they both aren’t usable for their own valid reasons and/or niches?
Pain split should not have been buffed again it's too strong now
@@Smoovbiscuits Yeah, trick room is the worst example of this. They seriously need to give a buff to that, that is singlehandedly the most useless move in existence. Not even sludge bomb dream eater gengar is that bad imo.
I'll never forget how big of a difference it was/felt when they made the Charizard flamethrower movement change. W buff
Yes very much needed and fair buff. Still takes skill to successfully kite and bait players into engaging you
Crustle is really fun to play with. And against ! And depending on your attack set, it can team up really well with some other pokemon, like solar beam venusaur for example. You can stuck the ennemy in a corner, and your teammates can shoot them without too much difficulty. Or you can annoy they hell out the adversaries by running around the whole game, dealing huge damage, and being able to avoid almost all the time their counterattacks. Crustle is just so fun to play !!
They could also rework power crept mons/ movesets/ passives.
Ground Garchomp comes to mind.
Yes absolutely
Ground Chomp is pretty good. It checks a lot of problematic mons and mons with mobility!
I really think the biggest "fun" buff that comes to mind is Pikachu Volt Tackle. Please let me jump off the opponent in any direction. It would make Pikachu marginally better and much more fun.
They did it with Cinder, Pikachu deserves it as well.
So true.. i love it. Especially playing against Speedsters. Also i guess volt tackle electro ball and pikachus unite move combo very well that we can pretty much KO an opponent team member for sure.
I wanna see liquidation’s damage come back in exchange of removing the point and click mechanics of it. Probably less likely to happen though
Cinder 's blaze kick is to chase down the enemy not hold them in one place. Volt tackle is to hold the enemy in one place.
@@XParasiteOctolingI had an idea to rework liquidation to be a shotgun type move with some splash damage would give Intel 2 good movesets with different styles of play
In terms of balance things aren’t bad I agree. My problem really is that it feels like you are powerless when someone in your game just wants to mess around and not actually play for objectives and try to win. There is next to no punishment for going afk or griefing your team
I do like your mention of how Dragapault was the last time a buff was optimal. The nerf it got did bring it down a bit but not enough to make it no longer desirable to play. I think another worth mentioning was Absol. Absol before the nerf was in a similar situation as Dragapault before its recent nerf. The difference is that Absol was nerfed too much compared to what happened to Dragapault and doesn't see nearly enough play as it should have.
Please give us more supports
Seriously. It's already been over a year since a new supporter was added, and we still have 2 more all-rounders to go in the pipeline that we already know about. Where the support 'mon at!
yes we really need one
I think Miltank would be an interesting support
miltank, florges, lilligant, whimsicott, primarina, celebi, victini, poltchageist, togekiss and castform. not joking, if i had godlike power over unite i would add all of those supporters over the course of the next 2 years.
They prioritize what sells which is a real shame.
Tyrantitar NEEDS a buff. Maybe a quicker lvl up, but it takes much longer for the payoff vs that azure dragon
Fully evolved is still ass. You give me guy a LEVEL 9 EVO just to be kited by a LEVEL 7 CINDERACE💀
Gyarados completely stole TTar’s lunch money
I mean if tyranitar gets a quicker final evolve then garchomp should too🤷♂️
Had this rude awakening today. I finally got to lvl 8 and I was like "Where is my evolution? This thing evolves at lvl9???". Considering the Kanto starters got it good this year, we really need ttar to get some of that love.
@@jpraise6771 FACTS DAWG
Wonderful video. I am a big fan of the video essay format. Not done enough.
12:12 Zeraora was my first favorite when the game dropped. I had a ribbon with him before I even knew what they meant 😂😂. #MAKEZERAGREATAGAIN
Something I'd love to see is more game modes, what about a dungeon style pve mode where you as a team work your way through beating wild pokemon, then at the end beat a boss for a reward.
Anyone who has played World of warcraft will no what I mean MDI style.
Love the video!! Love your content, keep it going
also i think you misspelled "alleviate" at 2:12
I just think aliviate is just such a hilarious way to spell it haha
Yes! Thank you!
My optimal "balance" that would never happen is that everything is at least viable. There will always be a "best" team comp, but I want to be able to pick any mon and have a 49-51% chance of winning. Even if it means that it's one particular move set and not both. I don't need OP, and I don't even need amazing, I just want to pick a fun mon and not be throwing the game because I picked something I enjoy.
Give tyranitar early game buff, add status effects like poisoned and paralyzed, and make burn like more substantial or like add the effect too, just like small percentage of health every second tick and a status debuff, like minus attack or slowed for poison, make paralyzed stop you every few seconds and make them last like what 7 seconds? Can’t be super common so like 30 percent chance to inflict the status effect on certain moves
Yeah, I agree with spragels with making things balance. I saw some changes myself when playing and mumbling alone, “huh, that's a fun battle!”. Me as a kinda veteran player of Unite sometimes overwhelmed by certain meta breaking pokemon (ahem, Miraidon & Buzzwole). But, patch notes has been regularly occured and Unite kinda addressed what players complaints, everything seems working towards the balance game. I know the real balance game is not possible but unite can make it a little more enjoyable and engaging aside from many events. However, I can't deny how bad matchmaking is inside Unite.
If they did this plus fully implemented draft in ranked this game would be golden. I also just desparately want them to make EX pokemon balanced with the rest of the roster. That'd fix a ton of the existing problems tbh
Something i notice for a lot of the under played pokemon for example more specifically scizor and scyther because they're attached to each other buffing the secondary moves obviously buffs both of them not just one or the other and keeping scyther balanced while keeping the secondary moves strong for scizor is very hard become scyther is one of the pokemon that can ge overtuned easily if buffed to much
When I think of strong buffs people really liked that didn't break the game I think the Gardevoir buffs. I think they buffed teleport and gave a faster Unite move and there were exciting tournaments with it. But it didn't feel like you couldn't do anything in response or unfair.
it's definitely not game breaking but so annoying oh my god
its already been said plenty, but it cant be said enough: the biggest thing in need of a buff right now is matchmaking.
I definitely get frustrated by the power of certain mons (buzzswole, EX mons, etc) at times, but the thing that is the most likely to get me heated in this game is my own team's incompetence: folks wandering around the map instead of sticking together, feeding by running into 1v3s over and over, not understanding what exp share does (or even the items they themselves are running), not showing up to important objectives, backcapping when we NEED them at the rayquaza fight, etc etc etc. and this doesnt even include the griefers, such as folks who just give up and idle at spawn (i feel like im reporting at least 2 players every play session).
and im saying "everyone on my team is bad but me;" im not exempt from this criticism either! i just hit masters a couple of nights ago, and, while ive got better macro/micro awareness than plenty of the absolute chucklefucks in masters, i by no means feel like i deserve to be called a "master" at the game. i still dont know what a fair % of the character roster even does/how they work. im only now starting to go into practice/standard with whatever mons are free for each week to get a feel for their unique mechanics, and i feel like theirs even mons i frequently play that i need to get a better understanding of. ditto irt items/emblems (they really need to explain game mechanics better).
they need to stop punishing high elo players by intentionally pairing them with lower elo teammates, stop giving folks essentially free pity points with bot matches, and for the love of god WHY are rank protection cards a THING? bad players are having their winrates/rank artificially inflated by cheap mechanics, and good players are being punished by being forced to team up with them if they do anything less than a 5 stack.
if better matchmaking means my rank suffers, so be it. give me the rank i deserve, and I'll get into masters when i earn it. but at least match me with players who perform similarly to me so its a fair fight.
If you want the oerfect example of a balanced pokemon
Aegislash, literally designed to be a very dangerous pokemon if played with good mechanical knowledge, but extremely risky to do so as at it’s most powerful, it’s most vulnerable
Aegislash main here, it is very squishy and can never beat scissor 1 v 1 even with unite move and filled boosted gauge ☺️ proves how balanced the game is
@@raghavpareek6535 tbf scizor is designed to be good at 1v1’s with bullet punch heals
@@moyaioffbi4810 I'm talking about the balance
I *really* want to see dragon dance buffs for Dragapult, should’ve been the moveset to be buffed imo
My thoughts exactly!
U just lack skill
10:56 I think it was just a better/direct upgrade to Cinderace really, so it isn't something I wish to happen again, I'd much prefer interesting reworks over constant stat buff after stat buff patch, but since that has only happened 1.5 times in the history of Unite (Mime and Charizard), and 1/1.5 of those times they botched the balancing implementation, we prob won't see another, kind of how we prob won't see another gen 5 masterpiece of a Pokemon game.
Godammit im having the urge to come back to this game again
At the start of this season, I think the change to Leafeon's Aerial Ace was a 'fun' balance change. It added a whole new viable way to play Leafeon, since up until then it felt like it only had two builds.
Most of the time, the problem is stupid teammates.
I managed to get to 1800 solo. Playing with stupid is a skillset all on its own lol
@@pressheart64 yeah, you're right. I may or may not have that skill set. But one thing's for sure, I do not have the patience.
2:12 aliviate???
Basically what you are saying is that buff low win rate and lonpick rate mons, i like it
Have to agree with others that balanced matchmaking would be the most impactful thing
Give gengar small buffs to his range and make his dream eater always able to go off instead of getting stunned, get the cooldown, and it never even comes out.
If they keep release ex pokemons and a team can choose more than one ex pokemons then this will be a problem right like now and if they say "only one ex per team" then that means after so many ex releases if your favourite pokemon is ex then you won't be able play with it cause someone choose another ex pokemon
i think ex pokemon should just be about A tier, but have a high skill ceilling so if you're really good, it's S tier. the way they are now, they're immediately s tier upon release every single time..
4:56. *Tyranitar*
Ive been having quite some fun with leaf buffs lol i used ace way before its buffs but now for its buffs its so great now
I'm pretty sure 9tails is still good rn, but I want utility attackers be meta again. Sure CC can be annoying, but I think that's better than just straight up getting one shot. Idk, I guess I just prefer a slower meta.
Getting CC'd is pretty much getting one shot (if you have it), just that you can't do anything about it and it helps the enemy get that OH-KO. CC is mostly bad because a lot of the pokemon who do stun, also deal A LOT of damage at the same time. Stuff like sableye confuse ray seems pretty fair, telekinesis too.
It stuns and slows at the same time it's worse than getting one shot if you're playing melle Pokemon
I just wanna see my boy cram get some love. He's so fun would love to see him be meta for a patch. Like spragels said have his moment.
My one balance and fun update I want desperately is still a stun rework. I want something to be done about getting stunned for upwards of 10 seconds straight with moves on 10 second cooldowns depending on the enemy team...
I'm just saying the smash bros grab timer goes a long way in making stun less overwhelmingly valuable.
**cough** **cough** espeon like why the heck is the stun suck a long one?
Revisiting all held items to improve or nerf them wouldn't be a bad idea, getting really tired of seeing shell bell Charizard and Cinderace with leftovers Decidueye and muscle band Gardevior.
The Pokemon balance is better than the ban system
We've been trying for over 2 years, 18 seasons, and countless patches to nerf the content cowboy.....SPWHYYYGELS!!
Unrelated but, Spragels can you make a guide on how Energy Tanks work?
I have no clue even when I'm playing this game since launch.
I think only if Spragel explains it then I'll be finally able to understand.
Yeah agreed, it feels more balanced than ever, especially because of Scyther/Scizor buffs, because I main them and Scyther is so fun to play. Earlier it was too underwhelming, and they made it better. Although Scyther isn't getting play, 99% of the Scizor players, at least in EU I face are Scizor. Can you belives since the patch, I have played 100+ games and got only 1 or 2 scythers, the rest were Scizors. Maybe its because of the skill cap, and speedsters like Scyther and Zoroark also struggles hard against some mons like Glacion and A9. But I think it would be a great buff to these underplayed speedsters on sp. def so they can take down the mages which are without any doubt the apex pokemons in the game coupled with the spoon and stuns.
10:22 also blaiziken
But the game would be better if they do like other mobas on how they can change metas by buffing some and nerfing others constantly. So there can be weird team comps.
Goodras bubble stops its sap sipper passive, i want them to fix this bug so bad
He's a boy in a bubble alright.
I think someone in devs team already understood how bad inclusion of EX was for player base, but they also remember how much money EX licences and battle passes bring them, so they don't want to give up on the idea.
Good balance is achieved by playing smite instead. There is no squiddy in unite with which to hit the griddy.
I agree, more balance patches would be brillant for the game so the meta shifts from time to time.
I disagree to buff Pokemon to be overpowered on purpose. I never mind, if it is cause of a battle pass, cause it wasn't in the meta for a long time (you mentioned Zeraora), or like Dragapult. The big aim should be to have balanced pokemon and overpowered (even slightly overpowered) Pokemon don't do it a favor.
I got 100k points and a 60 win rate with sableye but man outside of stealth while running away, other pokemon are faster than him and it's annoying and when I score next to a pokemon, he's dead,ake him go back stealth when he scores, make him survive a bit longer
when they are going to add new maps
i would eat a lizard for a desert map with groudon as the boss, camerupt as the bottom lane objective and tornadus as the top lane objective
@@zzeroara9511 😅
I feel like they are forgetting a lot of Pokémon that do need the buffs like sableye, duraladon, gengar, these Pokémon aren’t unplayable but really do need the buffs, yet they are focusing on other Pokémon
I'm still waiting for them to rework Mewtwo . I find it extremely boring to have a special attacker who don't have last hit takes years to farm and also both point and click moves. I hope Devs would understand that.
Scizor is balanced but it sucks bullet punch need a 20% damage buff to actually do some real damage
Still shouting from the rooftops to have more underrated/early game mons, they're always more fun and creative to make them strong rather than "so he hits. And he hits hard."
Also I know you're listening timi-spragels just give me aggron please
Machamp need some buffs too!
I dont think the balance patch is the issue atm is fine.
I still keep saying if you dont give cool rewards, playing/grind into the game is not rewarding especially with a terrible matchmaking or playing in a team with an AFK or against it.
Playing a lot on this game, didnt give you anything like hollower, skin for your character or speed up the way to level up items (grinding for medal isnt worth it and is sickening).
I dont play this game too often because the matchmaking is awful and the rewards that give to you arent worth it. The rewards you get from playing the game are mainly on the tinkaton event or the solo mode of chyntia.
Playing in ranked you dont get too much that you say, i want to play even more, you know what i mean.
Just give something more cool or rewarding on going for ranked games.
Just give cool hollower by reaching 1600 master points at least.
they used to do it in the *early* days upon reaching ultra but they have stopped now
Yeah balance is something they get occasionally, unlike the match making problem, esp in solo Q, that they've been ignoring for a long time now 😅
Still forcing people that do well to have to suffer thru carrying those not doing so well, instead of matching people with similarly skilled players
as a scizor main since release, i just broke my heart to just see it drop from the meta. this balance patch is pretty much the saving grace for scizor, so i am excited for what is to come!!
P.S. scizor's battle pass is still my favorite season!
I'd say that all of the ex Pokémon are currently balanced. Yes they are a bit stronger than normal Pokémon but the aoes energy gimmick balances it out.
There are 60 Pokemon in unite now?!
18 of which are from gen 1, and 3 of which are from gen 5. there's some truly great minds making this game 🙄
The words balance and Pokémon Unite don’t even belong in the same sentence.
Is this season worth playing? I had to play Cris on miridon at the start then decided to wait out a few weeks, got to masters, then stopped playing
I think Pokemon like Glaceon were way too good for way too long (and for how easy they are to play (low effort, high reward)) and Pokemon like Buzzwole are still stupid, so I wouldn't say balance was all that great in recent months even when ignoring all the Legendary BS... but if we ignore these outliers too, then I guess it was fine. There are still quite a few Pokemon that need help, too though. It still feels like a crime they removed the true damage from Charizard (taking away a bit of the _fun_ part of his kit). There's a lot of power-creep happening...
It’s weird how legendary Mon are EX then we have Mew a full mythical that’s not even as close to as good as the EX😂
The only thing i hate is match making.
I genuinely feel like the game is balanced rn. Like when I chose a mon I do consider what will I face.
Developers, please watch this
I quite like current state. Even EX pokemon arent that bad. Maybe a little nerf to Mewtwo X, and making Miradon more frail (damage is nit the issue any more), but I do t hate any pokemon right now.
mm yeah sounds good to up the stakes but with e drift you are already gonna get attacked a ton as your forced into close range
Nerf the self sustain defenders to shake the meta.
Trev is the new EX mon
Please play icy wind glaceon 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Snorlax needs a rework I think
What about some garchomp gameplay both ground and dragon build .
Is Full Furry ever coming back? Was by far my fav map
Idea for Road to Masters!!
" When you want to see the world burn 🔥"
- Only allowed pokemon with moves that cause various burn effects.
Think Chandy, Cinder, Char... but also Scald Bro, Dragon Breath Pult (burning the ground), etc.
Could be fun ✨
Loved the Mean Look nerf
Everyone is focused on that move and Umbreon can stay as broken as always with Foul Play
Nerf it more
Foul play isn’t broken but play what you want
The community honestly doesn't like/really play defender and supporters so the Dev's generally tend to favor whatever they bitch about 😅
Your new camera is a lot less pink and a whole lot more noisy
Funniest thing is mewtwo y still dominates and does too much stun and damage from far away :)
idk what people get by using broken pokemons
just remove every EX pokemon
Does resonant guard shield stack with rescue hood
Yes but it’s very minor. Don’t run it
Thanks
Good balance is hard but the company seemed to kinda give up , forcing the EX rather than balancing them then pushing to make the most money by making a busted unit (in fact , if you pay attention to the recent "balance patch" they released Miraidon busted and didn't bother nerfing it until the free 2 play people started unlocking it then they released the balance patch and nerf it) , coincidence ? Maybe although unlikely, the timing was just too perfect, it's just money at play which sucks , they're fully aware of what's busted and what isn't but it is what it is ig
Still Machamp need buffs and buzz nerf also match making is awful
timi is genuinely one of the worst developers when it comes to balancing. and, no, it's not inherent with game development- timi is JUST WORSE than other developers. like, unite isn't the only game they have awful balancing issues in.
they destroyed the cool legendary pokemons .. becauae of crybaby coddys
Bro charizard is annoying with his burn and his basic and gardavor flinch( i started runing lucario is use to be buzzwole )
and also the ult
@@the_miraidon_shogun Fr
@@d0unut2- yes im tired of being grand slammed every 2 minutes when there is a charizard on the other team
@@the_miraidon_shogun real
@@d0unut2- exactly my e drift combo gets cancelled and 9 times outta 10 i die (￣ ￣|||)
leaving a comment for the sake of the first comment after the tenth
Day 4 asking for the Decidueye memorial tier to be renamed to Duraludon tier
Duraludon has never been bad, since release.
@@15OgLoc Dragon Tail has a 14 second cooldown, near 15. That says enough about the mon
@@greenwithin2126 so, one move, that has a big cool down, says enough about the mon... Sure thing buddy, dragon tail has two charges, marks enemies, gives you boosted attacks, gives you mobility, stuns, such a useless move, one move doesn't make a Pokémon bad, it's their whole kit combined, and sorry to tell you, Duraludon has never been bad... Go check the tier lists, and unite API, I'll wait.
@@15OgLoc two charges under 14 seconds. If the only mobility option an adc has is under such a high cooldown, then yes, it's an issue. It will still underperform, still underperforms, and gets overshadowed by other adcs. It's totally fine if you want to defend Duraludon's case, I won't debate you there nor try to change your opinion. Agree to disagree and move on.
I also find it ironic that you ask me to check tier lists and UniteAPI suggesting like I haven't checked it all, so let me read it for you. Duraludon's highest winrate moveset is Flash Cannon, whereas Dragon Pulse is under 50% winrate. Howeger, Duraludon has the lowest pick rate in the entire roster, so nitpicking details in its winrate with such a low pick rate is bad data by itself. Checkin Unite-DB's tier list, it's literally in the lowest tier. I don't know what else to tell you aside from what you told me to check.
third comment on the vid :D
Brp we are talking about TiMi
They can't able too make Perfect mata for CODM from 5 years