You explained everything about Endmyopia perfectly!! No old bates method,no funny eye exercises,no vitamins.Lot of people are struggling to understand what normalized,differentials means. Lot of animation videos are there now which can help Plz broo's.I will suggest your videos for those people who ask for subtitles from now on.All the best! Cheers☺
Hey reanon hope you are doing good need advice i had myopia of 0.5 left and 0.5 right overprescribed and now my right eye is at -0.75 and left same how should i do try active focus maybe patch my eye and use 0.5 old glasses and one more my optometrist actually overprescribed me at first it actually was 0.25 in right and maybe just pseudo myopia would love to hear from you ❤
I am not entirely clear what you have happening here. But it sounds like you caught things early in the cycle and that is really great for you. The best advice I can give you is to take in information and then make informed decisions. My videos tackle the basics as applies to most people (who didn't catch on to the cycle early on) and the descriptions have links to still more related content.Much of the advanced stuff won't apply to you. If I were you: I would not use the new stronger glasses unless you feel you need to. I would only use correction as needed and I would work on better vision habits. I wouldn't change anything else at this time. Just address correction use and habits and see where that gets you. Again; if it was me in your position...
Hey reannon hope so you are doing good i have been doing patching for a week and guess what thats my situation is same i am seeing quite weird bcz my left eye before was doninated but now Right eye seems to catch and left looks to worst i dont know why is that but yes need some general things to listen from you should i stop doing it or what tag in method not actually wrks that for me and yes maybe i should give my eyes time to catch up and not do patching for days.and yes i fell my eyes are actually working together but less better than before i dont know why would love to hear from you again comment bcz maybe you didnt got notification on unlisted video❤❤
Now a days I feel as if I see quite clear with my normalise pair of glasses. I don’t know but I rarely wear full corrected glasses they since now a day they make me feel dizzy . I just use them during time now because night time my vision is at its worst
For a high myopic person what is the best condition for active focus because high myopic people can't see anything without glasses so trying to read books text is not a good idea. So my question is active focus can be done at any distance like 20 feet away or more and at that distance what should we wear normalised or differential ?? bc Jack said Differential is for like 50-110 cm. What should I wear during active focus and what is the maximum distance of active focus?
do you know anyone with a difference of more than 1 d between their eyes, if i have to do AF with a patch (or tag in method) for 15 mins a few times a week, how long does it take me for a 0.25d reduction for the non-dominant eye,, and thank you for all these precious informations my dear
First I hope you have had at least one (2 is better) successful binocular reduction before attempting equalizing. Remember to avoid more than one monocular reduction in a row (alternate in binocular reduction though again 2 is better). And also so you know: monocular reduction is the exception to the rule, when changing diopter ratios you must reduce both diff and normz at the same time. I have heard of many people with fairly larger diopter gaps, but I cannot give you an estimated how long to resolve it as it is different for everyone. It is very important on this journey to enjoy every victory rather than stress when you will reach the finish line. Best wishes.
Hi Reannon, thanks for the very helpful videos! I have a question for you on which pair to use while cooking, e.g. pealing potatoes or chopping onion etc. because I cannot see well to such short distances with my normalized. Since I spend a lot of time on similar tasks in the kitchen, I use diffs most of the time at home (even if not AF-ing). Is that alright in your experience? Many thanks!
Many people do reduce .5 cylinder at once, however some are more sensitive and need to do only .25 at a time. There isn't any sure way to know which way will work best for you. You will likely just have to try and see
@@ss-bd4lt in my opinion yes normalized should give about 20\30 when first introduced. And when that becomes 20/20 then you reduce by .25 and will be at about 20/30 again. With a bit of variation from day to day and depending on lighting naturally.
@@jamesberg2226 I know Jamesberg sir. Jake is one of a kind. Thanks for working hard for us for 10 years James. Why you never did a video on eye sight improvement?
@@brocklesnar7762 You know, I worked hard for people for 10 damn long years. I regularly do get number of questions and doubts from people like weeda, Michael. I will provide them the answers.But, I don't like doing videos. I did my first video 9 years back and I got 11 k views. Later that, I deleted my video due to the comments from few people. I really got hurt. They broke me and I never did a video again because of many uneducated people. But I am helping many people even now through emails.
@@brocklesnar7762 Man, I don't appreciate any other method. 1.Bates method-Too old. Too rubbish. 2.Mark's method-Fairy tale method that doesn't work. 3.Nathan method-He is Bates's grandson. So he supports old Bates method. 4.Plus lens method-Only for low myopia.
Hey reannon I am 10 days in and using differentials. From the day one my measurements in endmyopia calculator is -3.25 (sometimes -3.00D too) I use -3.5D for distance vision( prescribed my optometrist ) . I can clearly read A4 snellen chart with it There is no blur challenge in it. Should i get my weaker normalised now or wait 4-6 weeks as prescribed?
Optometrists always add a little extra so you "get your best vision in every setting". You can order the new normz, by the time they come in you should be at or near the 4 week minimum. Make sure you do your Zero Diopter reset when you introduce them.
@@Reannon5 okay will do zero diopter reset. How much diopter should i order ? Should it be reduced according to optometrist or endmyopia calculator? As there is -0.25D difference between the two
@@ss-bd4lt this is for you to decide how much to reduce, if you trust your measurements this early in go ahead and use your measurements, if you are uncertain and wish to be conservative just reduce the .25 from the opto
@@ss-bd4lt slow and conservative is a wise approach. This whole thing ends up being a story of the tortoise and the hare. You are smart with this approach.
hey Reannon, A question about Active Focus to you, I have approx -2.25 in both eyes my normalized is -2.00, but I could barely see the 20/20 line with good lighting! Now when I go for my walk things appear to be super clear that it does not give the motive to active focus, however when there is a text that is far away that is the only way to notice the blur and do active focus. Why I say that is because in the beginning I was using my -1.5 glasses to do Active focus and yes thing were blurry but I was doing active focus a lot more, while with the -2.00 glasses I some times forget about active focus at all!! So I was thinking to instead I get a -1.75 where thing gets a little more blurry buy they at least give me the motive to active focus when I go for a walk, and I'd still keep my -2.00 glasses as normalized for other things! so what do you think of this?
If you can barely see the 20/20 line in good lighting I would really recommend reducing. To be honest it sounds to me like you might be a bit blur adapted. Ultimately it is your decision what to do going forward but I don’t think a clarity reset would be a bad idea. I will add a reminder that clarity is a good thing and you shouldn’t feel like if you are not pushing your eyes your entire walk everyday you aren’t going to succeed. It is ok to just enjoy your vision and not constantly be thinking I need to active focus. Obviously you still need to do some active focus and engage with your visual stimulus but once people have been doing this for a while you do come to a point where you can be more casual about it.
I do agree with you! But since we are wearing our normalized most of the time and we are not doing active focus continuously then I think at some point we do get blur adaptation! The reason why I asked you this is because I once watched a video for Jake responding to someone and his answer was like “doing active focus with a little bit of blur is the same as doing active focus with a lot of blur even if you do not bring it to 20/20” and just like you said he reminded us about blur adaptation! I might consider reducing it soon because now it does not matter a lot because of winter! But when I was doing active focus with -1.5 I was able to see things really clearly! So I thought -1.75 would be somewhere in the middle plus it makes the blur a little bit more visible to actually do active focus a little more and notice the difference between before active focus and after active focus!@@Reannon5
I expect you could. Though that is not recommend for several reasons... I would suggest you try it according to EM recommendations and make two spherical reduction then see if you can take off half a diopter of that cylinder. Then two more spherical reductions and see if you can remove the remaining cylinder.
@@Sr-dm6go and how is your vision with the diffs? Are you missing the cyl? If not then removing the half diopter at once should be fine for normz. If so then go more conservative and only reduce .25
@@Sr-dm6go I mean when you look around are you seeing standard blur or astigmatism blur (is the blur off, like consistently to an angle)? If you are. It seeing pronounced astigmatic blur then probably you can do the .5 reduction. At least for the first cylinder reduction. The last half diopter might need to be split up or cashed in for spherical equivalent. Then again both might go perfectly fine as half diopter drops (remember half diopter of cylinder is equal to quarter of sphere). Whatever you do do not do two cylinder reductions in a row.
Nice video. These help keep basic facts fresh for me 🙏 I have had another problem that I've tried to solve but it's that someone with 2020 vision can do close up work but only get ciliary spasm. But someone with myopia wearing 2020 correction, will get eyeball elongation. What's the difference here?
I am not 100% on all of it but if I have this much right it is because the correction locks your accommodation range whereas the person with 20/20 the eye is allowed to compensate to a point, I am certain there is more to it as well.
Hi ,i dont know if you are going to read this but if you are than please reply I recently went to optometrist and got the lenses with -6 ,-1.00D(cyl) left eye and -5 ,-.75(cyl) right eye i had been blur adapted for quite some time and when i got my new glasses i managed not to get any cyl correction can you guide something please
I wish I could help but diopter specific advice would be highly inappropriate even if I knew enough about your eyes. The objective of EM is to learn about your own eyes and be able to make your own informed decisions. I know it seems daunting at first, but the learning curve isn't as bad as it seems and one day it will all click. Best wishes
@@gursimarsingh9481 difficult to say. Sort of depends on a number of factors like how long someone has been blur adapted, how much under corrected they are and how well their eyes adjust to the proper standard of clarity. Some people algo so under corrected they have to go up in stages. But I would say probably not less than 4 weeks for clarity reference and maybe a few months. In theory though once the cortex understands the goal completely, when the little bit of blur is introduced with the standard reduction the visual system should be all over it.
Very helpful video! I have one question regarding your 20/20 baseline from which you subtract the quarter diopter: I understand you count 20/20 as reached when you can identify at least half of the letters. Is this using both eyes together or must each eye separately be able to read 20/20?
Should be each eye individually, though due to eye dominance one eye might be a bit less clear than the other. Just be sure it is only a bit less clear, wouldn’t want to leave it behind then have to deal with issues later because of it.
I am rather annoyingly stuck. I have had health stuff going on since having long COVID and it has effected pretty well everything... that said I am holding down the gainz I had gotten so that is a good thing ☺️
@@haseebsaber597 I'm mostly better, still have some residual things but they are mild now. I never stopped with EM practices, I just haven't made any real gainz since everything. I have no intentions to quit though, and am still hopeful about future progress.
Thank you Reannon. What do you say about (normalized) sunglasses? I feel I see worse in them as everything is darker and it is harder to clear the blur but I am too light sensitive. Am I loosing the benefit of natural light wearing them? 🤔
I used to love my sunglasses with correction! But since starting the method I have rarely even used the clip ons that I got. I enjoy the light so much now that I am not in over corrected glasses, even before you count the benefits of the light for your eyes. If I am going to be in direct sun for long I prefer to take my shade with me in the form of a hat, then I can get full benefits from the quality and quantity of light with out it being too much.
@@Reannon5 Gotchu. I applaud your persistence. Do you mind sharing what your prescription started at and what is now from a journey point of view. If that is too personal, I understand.
@@SBopar I have actually shared in my earlier video that I started at -4.75 with -.5 cyl (so -5 for all intents and purposes) I am down to -2.5 at present
Reannon, I think you meant 0.25 diopter reduction from 20/20 measurement. If someone is overcorrected, I think one go upto 0.75 reduction (Max) for their first normalised?
Yes that is correct, when I say full correction I am always referring to 20/20 standard, measured at 20 feet under indoor lighting; not opto standard of 20/15 and even 20/10 in some cases.
@@Reannon5 Thank you. I wish you make a video on measuring cylinder value. Many of us do strugle with low myopia and high/med astigmatism in the beginning.
@@pran8418 measuring cylinder is tricky. Some choose to get a test lens kit so they can do it at home. But the majority of people just take off .25-.5 D of opto set cylinder (in diffs first) and that replaces a spherical reduction. The wiki has even more information on reducing correction complexity.
So when reducing cyl for normalised and differentials, do we reduce both sph and cyl or just one per reduction? I remember reading on EM that you do one at a time but can’t be sure.
@Reannon5 and just yesterday I read Jakes response to always reduce cyl in differentials first. I haven't started doing anything yesterday my daughter got given -4 and I just need to get her those first so she can see the board at school. Then I can start all this, challenge is the optometrist,in the UK it's difficult
@@Reannon5 I'm not ready to do anything due to still reading up. If it wasn't for school I'd delay these glasses but she needs them urgently, teachers don't allow students to switch seats. They allowed whilst waiting for glasses only . I'll watch your other videos too. Sure does help .
@@redribbonredribbon2430 I understand the concern for sure, and that is hard. Does the child already have glasses? If not then failing to introduce cylinder is not the same as reducing it... It is really important to make educated choices regarding correction and that is why one must not rush. If correction cannot wait seek out an opto that is willing to keep the correction simple (if possible equalized and without cyl) and ideally slightly undercorrected. It might take some hunting around but hopefully you can find someone.
I can see 20/20 with my first pair of normalised but i still experience a good amount of blur when trying to see things far away which I didn’t experienced with my previous full corrected glasses
@@ss-bd4lt I did a video on diopter bubble and Jake has done a few as well, and there is a wiki page on it too. But essentially the chart is still inside (or close enough) your diopter bubble that you can see it well enough, but in true distance your vision translates to less. Also don't forget your opto correction likely corrected for 20/15 which is going to give you more crisp vision at a distance but is over correction so seeing that sharply isn't our goal through the process.
@@Reannon5 u r right i was able to see 20/15 with my previous glasses. What other things should I consider for a reduction if i can already see 20/20 on snellen chart with my current normalised?
My videos on measuring give loads of tips on how to be sure you are seeing as well as you think. Revisiting those when deciding if it is time to reduce would be advised 😊
I can see clear 20/20 with normalised in morning (and sometimes 50% of 20/15 sometimes) and in evening i can see 50% of 20/20 Is it the right time to reduce again?
If these are consistent indoor readings on a 20 foot (6 meter) snellen chart. It may well be. But just so you know, it is a good idea to continue in good clarity for a week or two to lock in gainz and give the visual cortex that added clarity for reference. Congrats on another quarter down.
@@Reannon5 i use A4 chart ( reading from 6 feet ) Is it okay? And yes i m planning to get new glasses after 7-10 days just to enjoy some clarity Thank you.
@@ss-bd4lt due to the nature of the diopter bubble it is likely you would not do as well on a chart at a greater distance. I typically expect to lose a full line when switching from my 10 foot chart to my 20 foot chart (at those distances naturally) if you are a very comfortable 20/20 @ 6 feet (100% clear) you could maybe call it 20/20, but with only about half at a distance of 6 feet.... I would consider that there is more room to improve in your current correction. Just my opinion of course, but you did ask for it 😉
@@Reannon5 will measure my eyesight on 6 mts chart before my reduction And yes i have faced issues regarding diopter bubble like many times i see 20/20 but cant see things away properly . I hope 6 mts chart will give a better picture of my eyesight Thanks you
Hi Reanon there is one thing that confuses me if you can explain.Do you think that the weaker eye gets stimulation when you wear Normalized and your stronger eye is better no matter your prescription is equal in both eyes?As i have 2.50 in Left eye with .75 CYL,4.5 in right eye with no CYL.I reduced both eyes by .50. My stronger eye gets ahead in everything and weaker eye is still same no matter what.As jake said never favour one eye but with equal prescription the stronger eye makes progress.So the weaker eye gets a chance to see or not for distance vision?
Your dominant eye will always improve faster. You can use some patching and the tag-in method to encourage the non dominant eye, but ultimately you just have to wait it out till it also improves. Don't rush ahead by reducing based on the improvements on the dominant eye. The non dominant eye still plays a vital role in your vision and you absolutely want to ensure it continues to do so. You will need to work in monocular reductions based on your correction, just be sure you read up on that first. It is also work considering that the .5 reduction was too much especially for the non dominant eye, we recommend only reducing by .25 for many reasons.
Is it true that if ur myopic progression was quick, your regression will also be quick? I went from no glasses to -3.5D in just 8 months due to excessive close up (study) -If it is true, should i reduce my first normalised by -0.5D or stay with the norm of -0.25D
It is hard to say. I do think in your situation that a fair amount of that is ciliary spasm so chances are good you will see very good initial results as you release that. I would say sure try .5 for the first reduction or two, but keep in mind if it is too much and your eyes aren't responding then go back up the .25 don't try to push through if it isn't working.
Mam I started my journey in January But my prescriped power is -8,-7.5(left;right) So I choosed my normalised -7.25 both eyes.(is it make any prob) I want to start my journey again For past 6 months I use this normalised for both distance and close up because Im some problem Can I restart again then after what period of time or months I went to see my results Pls 🙂
You should do a great deal of learning and indeed start again. You will need differentials for close up and also new normalized for distance. You attempted to equalize much sooner than advisable and it could cause problems for the eye that requires more correction. You will make the best progress if you follow the suggestions in the EM method, and every successful reduction is a victory.
Yeah but -8 I think is over described power I think it cause so much strain So that only I choose that part with small suggest by endmyopia following person -7.5 I can clearly see any where distance So only I reduced -0.25 in that case For both eyes we have to maintain same power or we can set different power also ❓
@@raheshkumar6592 the best way to know is to measure each eye with the -7.25 you have. If you find the two eyes seeing similarly (on the snellen) then stick with it. If the one eye is falling behind you will at least want to patch and tag to keep it from becoming lazy. If it responds great! If not then you might need to add correction for it, this is possible since you did have a gap between the two in your full correction. Once you see if the two eyes are working ok together with the equalized correction then you can decide on a differential correction. This correction is very important to use for close up if you want to succeed, you cannot make good progress using distance correction for close up.
You explained everything about Endmyopia perfectly!! No old bates method,no funny eye exercises,no vitamins.Lot of people are struggling to understand what normalized,differentials means. Lot of animation videos are there now which can help Plz broo's.I will suggest your videos for those people who ask for subtitles from now on.All the best! Cheers☺
Hi Reannon,
I enjoy your persistence. This led me to an Optometrist, who helped his own children - as Jake is now helping his own child.
Hey reanon hope you are doing good need advice i had myopia of 0.5 left and 0.5 right overprescribed and now my right eye is at -0.75 and left same how should i do try active focus maybe patch my eye and use 0.5 old glasses and one more my optometrist actually overprescribed me at first it actually was 0.25 in right and maybe just pseudo myopia would love to hear from you ❤
I am not entirely clear what you have happening here. But it sounds like you caught things early in the cycle and that is really great for you. The best advice I can give you is to take in information and then make informed decisions. My videos tackle the basics as applies to most people (who didn't catch on to the cycle early on) and the descriptions have links to still more related content.Much of the advanced stuff won't apply to you.
If I were you: I would not use the new stronger glasses unless you feel you need to. I would only use correction as needed and I would work on better vision habits. I wouldn't change anything else at this time. Just address correction use and habits and see where that gets you. Again; if it was me in your position...
@Reannon5 thanks 👍 Buddy
"Normalized is for our normal lives"
YOINK
Ty for vid! :)
I figure a catchy phrase can drive the point home harder. :D
Reannon it's already been 10 months! Any updates???!
How's your progress been? Whats your new diopters u are at?
Hey reannon hope so you are doing good i have been doing patching for a week and guess what thats my situation is same i am seeing quite weird bcz my left eye before was doninated but now Right eye seems to catch and left looks to worst i dont know why is that but yes need some general things to listen from you should i stop doing it or what tag in method not actually wrks that for me and yes maybe i should give my eyes time to catch up and not do patching for days.and yes i fell my eyes are actually working together but less better than before i dont know why would love to hear from you again comment bcz maybe you didnt got notification on unlisted video❤❤
I have responded to your original comment. But I will add here, patience is so important in this process,. slow and easy is the way to go.
Very interesting and informative‼️
More gold from you! Love it!
Thank you! Your feedback means so much to me 💖 miss chatting, gotta catch up again some time. 😊
Now a days I feel as if I see quite clear with my normalise pair of glasses. I don’t know but I rarely wear full corrected glasses they since now a day they make me feel dizzy . I just use them during time now because night time my vision is at its worst
For a high myopic person what is the best condition for active focus because high myopic people can't see anything without glasses so trying to read books text is not a good idea. So my question is active focus can be done at any distance like 20 feet away or more and at that distance what should we wear normalised or differential ?? bc Jack said Differential is for like 50-110 cm. What should I wear during active focus and what is the maximum distance of active focus?
We need more of these, Reannon! 😁
- Ade
Thanks for the positive feedback. Tapped out at this time, but haven't ruled out future videos entirely...
do you know anyone with a difference of more than 1 d between their eyes, if i have to do AF with a patch (or tag in method) for 15 mins a few times a week, how long does it take me for a 0.25d reduction for the non-dominant eye,,
and thank you for all these precious informations my dear
First I hope you have had at least one (2 is better) successful binocular reduction before attempting equalizing. Remember to avoid more than one monocular reduction in a row (alternate in binocular reduction though again 2 is better). And also so you know: monocular reduction is the exception to the rule, when changing diopter ratios you must reduce both diff and normz at the same time.
I have heard of many people with fairly larger diopter gaps, but I cannot give you an estimated how long to resolve it as it is different for everyone.
It is very important on this journey to enjoy every victory rather than stress when you will reach the finish line. Best wishes.
Hi Reannon, thanks for the very helpful videos! I have a question for you on which pair to use while cooking, e.g. pealing potatoes or chopping onion etc. because I cannot see well to such short distances with my normalized. Since I spend a lot of time on similar tasks in the kitchen, I use diffs most of the time at home (even if not AF-ing). Is that alright in your experience? Many thanks!
Hello
How should I reduce my cylindrical
Should i reduce it by -0.25D or -0.5D at a time (as -0.5D cylindrical is equal to -0.25D spherical )
Many people do reduce .5 cylinder at once, however some are more sensitive and need to do only .25 at a time. There isn't any sure way to know which way will work best for you. You will likely just have to try and see
@@Reannon5 okayy i will go for .25 then
Thank you!
I can see 20/40-50 with my first pair of normalised in initial days
It is okay?
Ps - i reduced -0.5D as i think i was overprescribed
Ideally I don't recommend that much blur, but if you are ok with it that is your choice. Make sure you wear your full correction for driving though.
@@Reannon5 what should be ideal for first pair of normalised? 20/30?
@@ss-bd4lt in my opinion yes normalized should give about 20\30 when first introduced. And when that becomes 20/20 then you reduce by .25 and will be at about 20/30 again. With a bit of variation from day to day and depending on lighting naturally.
@@Reannon5 i think i should see how it feels for 2-3 days then decide
Thanks for appreciating your, my, Brown's, gemily's, Michale's, weeda's, peter's, nottnott's one and the only eye guru JAKE STEINER.
Good uncle Bates. You gotta make Jake look strong.Jake is our eye guru. He is one of a kind.
@@jamesberg2226 I know Jamesberg sir. Jake is one of a kind. Thanks for working hard for us for 10 years James. Why you never did a video on eye sight improvement?
@@brocklesnar7762 You know, I worked hard for people for 10 damn long years. I regularly do get number of questions and doubts from people like weeda, Michael. I will provide them the answers.But, I don't like doing videos. I did my first video 9 years back and I got 11 k views. Later that, I deleted my video due to the comments from few people. I really got hurt. They broke me and I never did a video again because of many uneducated people. But I am helping many people even now through emails.
@@jamesberg2226 Felt really emotional sir! Sir, do you always follow/appreciate Jake's method or do you respect any other method?
@@brocklesnar7762 Man, I don't appreciate any other method.
1.Bates method-Too old. Too rubbish.
2.Mark's method-Fairy tale method that doesn't work.
3.Nathan method-He is Bates's grandson. So he supports old Bates method.
4.Plus lens method-Only for low myopia.
What's your opinion on Nathan oxenfeld's method?
I don't subscribe to Bates' methodologies
@@Reannon5 Lmaao. That's savage! Nice.
Hey reannon
I am 10 days in and using differentials.
From the day one my measurements in endmyopia calculator is -3.25 (sometimes -3.00D too)
I use -3.5D for distance vision( prescribed my optometrist ) . I can clearly read A4 snellen chart with it
There is no blur challenge in it.
Should i get my weaker normalised now or wait 4-6 weeks as prescribed?
Optometrists always add a little extra so you "get your best vision in every setting". You can order the new normz, by the time they come in you should be at or near the 4 week minimum. Make sure you do your Zero Diopter reset when you introduce them.
@@Reannon5 okay will do zero diopter reset.
How much diopter should i order ?
Should it be reduced according to optometrist or endmyopia calculator?
As there is -0.25D difference between the two
@@ss-bd4lt this is for you to decide how much to reduce, if you trust your measurements this early in go ahead and use your measurements, if you are uncertain and wish to be conservative just reduce the .25 from the opto
@@Reannon5 i think it would be good to reduce 0.25 from opto in the beginning.
Thank you
@@ss-bd4lt slow and conservative is a wise approach. This whole thing ends up being a story of the tortoise and the hare. You are smart with this approach.
hey Reannon, A question about Active Focus to you, I have approx -2.25 in both eyes my normalized is -2.00, but I could barely see the 20/20 line with good lighting! Now when I go for my walk things appear to be super clear that it does not give the motive to active focus, however when there is a text that is far away that is the only way to notice the blur and do active focus. Why I say that is because in the beginning I was using my -1.5 glasses to do Active focus and yes thing were blurry but I was doing active focus a lot more, while with the -2.00 glasses I some times forget about active focus at all!! So I was thinking to instead I get a -1.75 where thing gets a little more blurry buy they at least give me the motive to active focus when I go for a walk, and I'd still keep my -2.00 glasses as normalized for other things! so what do you think of this?
If you can barely see the 20/20 line in good lighting I would really recommend reducing. To be honest it sounds to me like you might be a bit blur adapted. Ultimately it is your decision what to do going forward but I don’t think a clarity reset would be a bad idea.
I will add a reminder that clarity is a good thing and you shouldn’t feel like if you are not pushing your eyes your entire walk everyday you aren’t going to succeed. It is ok to just enjoy your vision and not constantly be thinking I need to active focus. Obviously you still need to do some active focus and engage with your visual stimulus but once people have been doing this for a while you do come to a point where you can be more casual about it.
I do agree with you! But since we are wearing our normalized most of the time and we are not doing active focus continuously then I think at some point we do get blur adaptation!
The reason why I asked you this is because I once watched a video for Jake responding to someone and his answer was like “doing active focus with a little bit of blur is the same as doing active focus with a lot of blur even if you do not bring it to 20/20” and just like you said he reminded us about blur adaptation!
I might consider reducing it soon because now it does not matter a lot because of winter! But when I was doing active focus with -1.5 I was able to see things really clearly! So I thought -1.75 would be somewhere in the middle plus it makes the blur a little bit more visible to actually do active focus a little more and notice the difference between before active focus and after active focus!@@Reannon5
@@منىالكايد-ع9ش Whatever you think best
Can we reduce spherical first to zero then go for cylindrical ??
I have -2.25 spherical and -1.00 cylindrical
I expect you could. Though that is not recommend for several reasons... I would suggest you try it according to EM recommendations and make two spherical reduction then see if you can take off half a diopter of that cylinder. Then two more spherical reductions and see if you can remove the remaining cylinder.
@@Reannon5 should i reduce cylindrical -0.5 at a time or -0.25?
I have removed cylindrical in my differentials.
@@Sr-dm6go and how is your vision with the diffs? Are you missing the cyl? If not then removing the half diopter at once should be fine for normz. If so then go more conservative and only reduce .25
@@Reannon5 i dont have any problem reading from a distance of 50-60 cms without cylindrical in my differential
@@Sr-dm6go I mean when you look around are you seeing standard blur or astigmatism blur (is the blur off, like consistently to an angle)? If you are. It seeing pronounced astigmatic blur then probably you can do the .5 reduction. At least for the first cylinder reduction. The last half diopter might need to be split up or cashed in for spherical equivalent. Then again both might go perfectly fine as half diopter drops (remember half diopter of cylinder is equal to quarter of sphere). Whatever you do do not do two cylinder reductions in a row.
Nice video. These help keep basic facts fresh for me 🙏
I have had another problem that I've tried to solve but it's that someone with 2020 vision can do close up work but only get ciliary spasm. But someone with myopia wearing 2020 correction, will get eyeball elongation. What's the difference here?
I am not 100% on all of it but if I have this much right it is because the correction locks your accommodation range whereas the person with 20/20 the eye is allowed to compensate to a point, I am certain there is more to it as well.
Hi ,i dont know if you are going to read this but if you are than please reply
I recently went to optometrist and got the lenses with -6 ,-1.00D(cyl) left eye and -5 ,-.75(cyl) right eye i had been blur adapted for quite some time and when i got my new glasses i managed not to get any cyl correction can you guide something please
I wish I could help but diopter specific advice would be highly inappropriate even if I knew enough about your eyes. The objective of EM is to learn about your own eyes and be able to make your own informed decisions. I know it seems daunting at first, but the learning curve isn't as bad as it seems and one day it will all click. Best wishes
Thanks for The Reply
Mam one question more how much would someone spend in full 20/20 correction if in case he/she is blur adapted
@@gursimarsingh9481 difficult to say. Sort of depends on a number of factors like how long someone has been blur adapted, how much under corrected they are and how well their eyes adjust to the proper standard of clarity. Some people algo so under corrected they have to go up in stages. But I would say probably not less than 4 weeks for clarity reference and maybe a few months. In theory though once the cortex understands the goal completely, when the little bit of blur is introduced with the standard reduction the visual system should be all over it.
Thanks
Very helpful video! I have one question regarding your 20/20 baseline from which you subtract the quarter diopter: I understand you count 20/20 as reached when you can identify at least half of the letters. Is this using both eyes together or must each eye separately be able to read 20/20?
Should be each eye individually, though due to eye dominance one eye might be a bit less clear than the other. Just be sure it is only a bit less clear, wouldn’t want to leave it behind then have to deal with issues later because of it.
how is your journey now?
I am rather annoyingly stuck. I have had health stuff going on since having long COVID and it has effected pretty well everything... that said I am holding down the gainz I had gotten so that is a good thing ☺️
@@Reannon5 How are you feeling? Have you gotten better? When are you planning to return to your journey?
@@haseebsaber597 I'm mostly better, still have some residual things but they are mild now. I never stopped with EM practices, I just haven't made any real gainz since everything. I have no intentions to quit though, and am still hopeful about future progress.
Thank you Reannon. What do you say about (normalized) sunglasses? I feel I see worse in them as everything is darker and it is harder to clear the blur but I am too light sensitive. Am I loosing the benefit of natural light wearing them? 🤔
I used to love my sunglasses with correction! But since starting the method I have rarely even used the clip ons that I got. I enjoy the light so much now that I am not in over corrected glasses, even before you count the benefits of the light for your eyes. If I am going to be in direct sun for long I prefer to take my shade with me in the form of a hat, then I can get full benefits from the quality and quantity of light with out it being too much.
Hi Reannon! How is your prescription doing now? Hope everything is going well.
I have had health related obstacles and set backs but still as determined as ever to continue this journey.
@@Reannon5 Gotchu. I applaud your persistence. Do you mind sharing what your prescription started at and what is now from a journey point of view. If that is too personal, I understand.
@@SBopar I have actually shared in my earlier video that I started at -4.75 with -.5 cyl (so -5 for all intents and purposes) I am down to -2.5 at present
@@Reannon5 AN EXCELLENT RESULT.
Reannon, I think you meant 0.25 diopter reduction from 20/20 measurement. If someone is overcorrected, I think one go upto 0.75 reduction (Max) for their first normalised?
Yes that is correct, when I say full correction I am always referring to 20/20 standard, measured at 20 feet under indoor lighting; not opto standard of 20/15 and even 20/10 in some cases.
@@Reannon5 Thank you. I wish you make a video on measuring cylinder value. Many of us do strugle with low myopia and high/med astigmatism in the beginning.
@@pran8418 measuring cylinder is tricky. Some choose to get a test lens kit so they can do it at home. But the majority of people just take off .25-.5 D of opto set cylinder (in diffs first) and that replaces a spherical reduction. The wiki has even more information on reducing correction complexity.
So when reducing cyl for normalised and differentials, do we reduce both sph and cyl or just one per reduction? I remember reading on EM that you do one at a time but can’t be sure.
yes you remember correctly, reduce one at a time. Anytime you can't recall I recommend the wiki. Best wishes
@Reannon5 and just yesterday I read Jakes response to always reduce cyl in differentials first. I haven't started doing anything yesterday my daughter got given -4 and I just need to get her those first so she can see the board at school. Then I can start all this, challenge is the optometrist,in the UK it's difficult
@@redribbonredribbon2430 Most important, don't rush! Small sustainable changes. US optos are a pain too
@@Reannon5 I'm not ready to do anything due to still reading up. If it wasn't for school I'd delay these glasses but she needs them urgently, teachers don't allow students to switch seats. They allowed whilst waiting for glasses only . I'll watch your other videos too. Sure does help .
@@redribbonredribbon2430 I understand the concern for sure, and that is hard. Does the child already have glasses? If not then failing to introduce cylinder is not the same as reducing it... It is really important to make educated choices regarding correction and that is why one must not rush. If correction cannot wait seek out an opto that is willing to keep the correction simple (if possible equalized and without cyl) and ideally slightly undercorrected. It might take some hunting around but hopefully you can find someone.
Do you have 20/20 vision?
I am working on it.
I can see 20/20 with my first pair of normalised but i still experience a good amount of blur when trying to see things far away which I didn’t experienced with my previous full corrected glasses
I think you are dealing with the reality of diopter bubble. In any case, there is still blur therefore probably not time to reduce yet.
@@Reannon5 yes i m not planning to reduce it now.
Btw what is diopter bubble?
@@ss-bd4lt I did a video on diopter bubble and Jake has done a few as well, and there is a wiki page on it too. But essentially the chart is still inside (or close enough) your diopter bubble that you can see it well enough, but in true distance your vision translates to less. Also don't forget your opto correction likely corrected for 20/15 which is going to give you more crisp vision at a distance but is over correction so seeing that sharply isn't our goal through the process.
@@Reannon5 u r right i was able to see 20/15 with my previous glasses.
What other things should I consider for a reduction if i can already see 20/20 on snellen chart with my current normalised?
My videos on measuring give loads of tips on how to be sure you are seeing as well as you think. Revisiting those when deciding if it is time to reduce would be advised 😊
Jeeeeeeees! 😋👍🏻
Great persistence, is the mark of a true scientist.
I can see clear 20/20 with normalised in morning (and sometimes 50% of 20/15 sometimes) and in evening i can see 50% of 20/20
Is it the right time to reduce again?
If these are consistent indoor readings on a 20 foot (6 meter) snellen chart. It may well be. But just so you know, it is a good idea to continue in good clarity for a week or two to lock in gainz and give the visual cortex that added clarity for reference. Congrats on another quarter down.
@@Reannon5 i use A4 chart ( reading from 6 feet ) Is it okay?
And yes i m planning to get new glasses after 7-10 days just to enjoy some clarity
Thank you.
@@ss-bd4lt due to the nature of the diopter bubble it is likely you would not do as well on a chart at a greater distance. I typically expect to lose a full line when switching from my 10 foot chart to my 20 foot chart (at those distances naturally) if you are a very comfortable 20/20 @ 6 feet (100% clear) you could maybe call it 20/20, but with only about half at a distance of 6 feet.... I would consider that there is more room to improve in your current correction. Just my opinion of course, but you did ask for it 😉
@@Reannon5 will measure my eyesight on 6 mts chart before my reduction
And yes i have faced issues regarding diopter bubble like many times i see 20/20 but cant see things away properly .
I hope 6 mts chart will give a better picture of my eyesight
Thanks you
Hi Reanon there is one thing that confuses me if you can explain.Do you think that the weaker eye gets stimulation when you wear Normalized and your stronger eye is better no matter your prescription is equal in both eyes?As i have 2.50 in Left eye with .75 CYL,4.5 in right eye with no CYL.I reduced both eyes by .50. My stronger eye gets ahead in everything and weaker eye is still same no matter what.As jake said never favour one eye but with equal prescription the stronger eye makes progress.So the weaker eye gets a chance to see or not for distance vision?
Your dominant eye will always improve faster. You can use some patching and the tag-in method to encourage the non dominant eye, but ultimately you just have to wait it out till it also improves. Don't rush ahead by reducing based on the improvements on the dominant eye. The non dominant eye still plays a vital role in your vision and you absolutely want to ensure it continues to do so. You will need to work in monocular reductions based on your correction, just be sure you read up on that first. It is also work considering that the .5 reduction was too much especially for the non dominant eye, we recommend only reducing by .25 for many reasons.
@@Reannon5 Thankyou Reanon,You are a great help.
Have 20/20 yet?
It takes time, but getting closer 😊
@@Reannon5 nice same
Is it true that if ur myopic progression was quick, your regression will also be quick?
I went from no glasses to -3.5D in just 8 months due to excessive close up (study)
-If it is true, should i reduce my first normalised by -0.5D or stay with the norm of -0.25D
It is hard to say. I do think in your situation that a fair amount of that is ciliary spasm so chances are good you will see very good initial results as you release that. I would say sure try .5 for the first reduction or two, but keep in mind if it is too much and your eyes aren't responding then go back up the .25 don't try to push through if it isn't working.
@@Reannon5 thanks. I will try -0.5D after zero diopter reset and if i feel its too much i will switch to -0.25D
@@ss-bd4lt my opinion.
You were over prescribed.
Mam I started my journey in January
But my prescriped power is -8,-7.5(left;right)
So I choosed my normalised -7.25 both eyes.(is it make any prob)
I want to start my journey again
For past 6 months I use this normalised for both distance and close up because Im some problem
Can I restart again then after what period of time or months I went to see my results
Pls 🙂
You should do a great deal of learning and indeed start again. You will need differentials for close up and also new normalized for distance. You attempted to equalize much sooner than advisable and it could cause problems for the eye that requires more correction. You will make the best progress if you follow the suggestions in the EM method, and every successful reduction is a victory.
Yeah but -8 I think is over described power I think it cause so much strain
So that only I choose that part with small suggest by endmyopia following person
-7.5 I can clearly see any where distance
So only I reduced -0.25 in that case
For both eyes we have to maintain same power or we can set different power also ❓
@@raheshkumar6592 the best way to know is to measure each eye with the -7.25 you have. If you find the two eyes seeing similarly (on the snellen) then stick with it. If the one eye is falling behind you will at least want to patch and tag to keep it from becoming lazy. If it responds great! If not then you might need to add correction for it, this is possible since you did have a gap between the two in your full correction. Once you see if the two eyes are working ok together with the equalized correction then you can decide on a differential correction. This correction is very important to use for close up if you want to succeed, you cannot make good progress using distance correction for close up.