Othais: Oh boy, we're going deep on British revolver history. They'll be so happy to get a clear view of the evolution of the modern British revolver. The Brits: You mispronounced our town and now I can't understand you! Y'all sure sound like the French to me...
Why don't throw all British Commonweath in there as well. Birmingham in the West Midlands Britain is Brim-ing-ham, Not Birmingham Alabama. Love your work and only too 2 mintues when the map came up to know where I've was
@@jsma9999 should be called Fake Birmingham, USA or Fake York, USA. Then it wouldn't show me some unimportant "Boston" when I want the original, English type settlement.
The Brits certainly had their own idea about how a revolver should look. You can see the heritage of the early Adams revolver in almost all english revolvers.
Skilled workers were a valuable commodity. Workplace deaths were not as common as you would think. You are thinking of grim mines and mills, Birmingham's arms factories were a different ball game, you had to work safely as not working safely would kill all your apprentices and burn down your factory.
@@zoiders Oh, is that what I was thinking? Thanks for letting me know. I thought I was just making a bit of observational humor. But your explanation definitely fits the context better.
Hey, we're finally moving out of the Great War on Primer? My excitement is beyond words. I've been waiting to see what everybody thought of this sent the copyedit prerelease went live on Utreon a week ago. I can't wait to see what sort of historically significant guns y'all bring to our attention in the future. I'm proud of how my money is being spent by you all. Thank you. 💙
Myself I am looking forward to when they eventually get to the M-1 carbine. I know it will be a while but that has always been one of my favorite rifles.
@@tenofprime Give them another 5 years. We have to go through the 3 hour episodes on the Kar98k, M1 Garand, and some handgun that you never heard of that influenced everything, first.
The fragility of the tantor’sspring explains to me at least why American guns were still popular despite not always being double action. Thank you for the history guys!!!
This just makes me think of the early Bloke on the Range when he takes a similarly small vintage revolver with him for a night of debauchery out on the town.
Outstanding episode, as always. However, as the show went on I kept waiting for Othius to reveal the hook to connect the Tranter to the Great War. Eventually, I figured it would be something like, "Larry Snodgrass, of Manchester, wrote home in 1917, that before joining the Queen's Own Lighthearted Fusiliers in France he stole a Tranter 1868 from his grandfather's nightstand. Still, a fun episode.
"What is that coming out of that dog?" These short, big bore revolvers were sometimes called "Barkers" in Britain. (I think you find that phrase in Sherlock Holmes.)
37:12 A 'metric tonne' ? I think not sir! Imperial tons, being 20 hundredweight (cwt), each of which is 8 stone (1 stone = 14 pounds) and thus 2,240 pounds in total, is the only correct bulk weight for British revolvers!
Good video. A good hypothesis on the origin of these cape revolvers with the Crown/3 marking. A have several guns with the same marking. The most advanced and in my opinion the best Tranter cartridge revolver was his last design. His 1879 patent was Tranter's only hinge frame revolver and was made with a star ejector, a solid barrel lock up and a easily removable and replaceable cylinder. It was far better than the Enfield revolver adopted by the British War Department in 1880 and in some ways better than the later Webley MkI. My example, although well used, is tight and still shootable.
Interesting history and I love the military connection. That being said, the gun was sold primarily on the commercial market. Any insight as to the target market (pun intended)? Security guards? Bank tellers? Shop keepers? Extraordinary Gentlemen? There must be catalog and or other marketing material from the time... Thanks, keep up the good work.
Interesting how Tranter used a similar business model to a ton of Chinese factories today. "buy our product and you can put whatever company name you want on it".
Britain was the manufacturing centre of the developing world. We could churn out quality mass produced goods on a scale other countries could only dream of. The shovels and picks and tools that enabled the push out west were mostly made in Sheffield. Cloth and linen came from Manchester. A scrap of lace was made in Nottingham. There was a little thing that took place in Britain called the Industrial Revolution.
The Taiwan economy is also built on this principal. They rebadge IBM clones or components at a cheaper cost. However it does give them a strong base for manufacturing industry. The viewsonic brand of monitor is a rebadged Panasonic.
Nice to have a story based so close to where I was born, raised and live. Birmingham, certainly England as a whole, was once the workshop of the world.
This old gal makes you appreciate simple things such as the abadie or even a simple return spring for the ejector rod! I hope this is going to end up on a bulldog episode, because I'm still on for more ww1 episodes.
That is why I love this show! I learn more about history both of wars and firearms then most any gun video. Happy New Year to you all and I hope you experienced a very happy Christmas!
So I've not been on youtube all that much and I'm way behind on my C&Rsenal videos...I'm still back in November I just finished the Naval Luger, but since this is gun I've never heard of. I got interested fast. When you say British Revolvers I know Adams, Enfield, Webley and I even know Kerr but the name/style ?? of Tranter is drawing a blank so you know I'm leaping deep into this episode
Note on period pistol marksmanship: the hammer blocking the sights wasn't an error because the double action was for "emergency use only" at sword or bayonet distance, pointing at the target and visual focus on target. For precision shooting, single action was the go-to firing technique.
Sometimes I think of what Colt was doing to double action samples when he wrote them off as too unreliable. Unless they were all pepperboxes and the odd shed machine shop prototype.
Given that a well shot SW military & police or model 10 will bind in double action if the trigger pull isn't authoritative, maybe he had similar problems with surfaces moving against each other. Suffice to say that the complexity might have been such that he just couldn't find where the problems were to fix them, and thus didn't want to put the project to market where he wouldn't have control.
@@oldesertguy9616 Norwegian cop here, we used the model 10 from the 80's into the 2000's. I started my career with a model 10 that had 20 years of wear on it. Saw a couple of breakages happen on the range, broken firing pins. And once in a while the cylinder would bind somehow, though most of the time they ran fine. Anyway, give a S&W model 10 two or three decades of police use and it begins to wear out with increasing likelihood of parts breakage.
@Kaboomf I would guess it has a lot to do with how much the gun is actually fired and whether small problems are dealt with. I think some of it may be the armorer that takes care of it and whether the individual periodically is allowed or mandated to thoroughly clean and inspect it. I've seen poorly maintained revolvers where the officer was never taught to remove the cylinder to clean it. Some departments probably wouldn't want them to, anyway.
A thgought on the "invisable double action sights" question. This is a British military revolver of the colonial era, intended to be used in a colonial setting. My suspician is that the thought process behind the design was something like this: If they're far enough away that you need to use the sights, then you have time to cock and use it single action , using the sights. If however you're facing someone up close and personal trying to stick a spear in you, then they're close enough that you just point it in their general direction or stick it in their belly and blaze away double action without needing to use the sights.
That’s about half of the lost truth to the proper usage of the types of sights found on these and other old revolvers. As you said, if you have time and the skill to take a fine sight picture, a big and thinnish front sight with a teeny little rear notch is about as good as anything else a handgun can use excluding optical sights. For closer work on moving targets, the eyes focus shifts to the intended target, and the revolver is presented below the dominant eyes line of sight. You see the gun in space just below your target, and though it is out of focus the shape of the revolver comes to a fine point at the tip of that protruding front sight and this takes care of your horizontal aim. Your vertical aim just comes down to knowing the bullet will impact somewhere in the space above the front sight with how high being a function of how far your target is and how much of an angle you are pointing the gun upward above the horizon line. It just takes a little practice.
@@Phlostonparadise2971 My old instructor used to call it a "combat sight picture", where you use just line up the front sight with the target while ignoring the rear sight. Seemed to work well for close work without delay, although it always shot just a little high - and at longer ranges that would start to make a difference.
"...My buddy Jonathan Fergusson at the Royal Armouries opened a whole drawer of these and found exactly one with the original spring in place..." OUCH! 🤕🤕
I was at the University of Birmingham in the late ‘80’s/early ‘90’s, every Monday afternoon you going hear them test firing barrels in the factories near Bristol Road South. One of the main pubs just off campus was called The Gun Barrels!
Oh man how did you get your hands on a Tranter?! I’ve been trying to buy one for a few years now and they always get too expensive, even at gun shows. Some day. Thanks for the video!
I would have said "especially at gun shows," as I have never been to a gun show where anything was reasonably priced. Usually everything is priced well over market value and the owners believe its made of gold so they will absolutely not come down on price even if no one else is interested that day in what they are selling.
Thank you for this. I love the Tranter and the Adams too. What your map fails to bring home is that these were straightforward terraced houses built as homes. Then various rooms were used by the parts makers and actual gun making, barrel making and forging moved into the tenements behind the houses. Small boys running about carrying parts in buckets from house to house. Even a lock maker would have bought in springs and filed parts from other contractors. Not to mention screws, bolts, small castings and forging to be machined and/ or filed. It was the need to upgrade to capital expensive machined interchangeable production for major and government orders that drove the big makers to join to make the likes of BSA and modern factories. There is an engraving of Greener’s barrel forging taking place in the back tenement of one of these houses in what is patently the old scullery and wash house. BTW I agree that this Tranter has all the signs of being a commercial production bought off the shelf by a colonial government. Hence having been made to commercial pattern with engraving, short barrel and no lanyard.
Another excellent production with a massive amount of research carried out and rebuilding, reconstruction of broken parts to restore the revolver in a functioning firearm. The time this took would be interesting to know, we all know that you spend a large amount of time just checking facts are correct and not just hearsay, adding the gunsmithing, ammunition acquisition or making, range time, sripting, recording, editing & postproduction. The time must be huge. As I live in Wales there is practically no chance of handing such vintage weapons (possibly deactivated ones) and definitely not firing them. It wasn't quite as restricted in the 60's & 70's but after a few massacres culminating in the one in Dunblane ownership of handguns was banned and apart from collection's that were moved abroad most handguns despite historical importance or rarity were destroyed. A typical knee jurk reaction of politicians acting without thoughts for the consequences of their actions. Pre ban the majority of handguns were in registered ownership with a small minority illegally held, know the police estimate that there are as many and possibly double the number of handguns illegally held as there were before the ban! (Minor rant over) Keep up the tremendous work you do, your attention to detail is exemplary and something many other youtubers could learn from, with possibly the exception of Ian's Forgotten Weapons cannel. Than you so much, I look forward to your new productions with trepidation.
I love this episode. The ONLY WAY I COULD LOVE IT MORE is if this were a teaser for The Small Arms of The US Civil War (or call it whatever you want Southerners, its all good) series for 2022. Could be fun, no pressure. Seriously, this episode is a combination of business production lesson, little known huge innovation (evolution) story, and a cool little piece of history. Now this little comment, I wouldn't worry about this little comment.
It was just called his "service revolver", which in the 1880s could mean a lot of things. Holmes occasionally carried a revolver, too. This was sometimes depicted on screen as a Webley RIC, or even a Colt SAA, but I don't think it was ever named in the novels.
Had to imfdb this. My definitive Holmes, the Granada TV version with Jeremy Brett, shows Watson with a Webley MkVI or IV, and Holmes with a British Bulldog, Webley RIC, and the occasional Colt SAA. If we forgive the later-mark Webleys (WG and MkI would be fine), it's pretty good firearms-wise. In supporting roles, there were often double shotguns, Sharps Derringers, Velodogs and American top-breaks.
years ago in Canada we needed a police man come into our homes to check storage for hand guns. The police detective for me was named Tranter and my last name is Kerr ... this is getting scary
An idea for a side series: the history of the complexes that manufactured all these firearms: off the top of my head you've got Springfield, Harpers ferry, BSA, RSAF Enfield, Liege/FN, Ibar and I'm certain there is more that are currently escaping me with fascinating stories
27:15 the same thing keeps happening with my French Model 1892 revolver, but only with one particular chamber. Happens at random with either loaded or unloaded gun. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? Happy New Year O&M and the rest of the crew!
Great Work again Othais & May .. Naturally. - I'd truly love to get a copy of that Webley Print on the wall behind your head in the video .. what's the chances ?
I just want to know is Othias trying to say Xhosa Wars in the video? Love the history and its close to home for me as I live in the frontier area of the Eastern Cape. Keep up the great work C&R
I'm a bit confused, giving you the same serial numbers for centerfire as well as rimfire? I know percussion cap and centerfire had two different, just not sure where the rimfire fall
CAN you do a video about famous assassinations and the guns used. I just was looking into what Princip used to kill the archduke. (FN M1910) BUT I thought a video with maybe 10 of the most famous assassinations and the guns used would be so near... HISTORY and GUNS . Love your stuff!
As a small side note, seem to recall the pistol that Jefferson C Davis used to kill William Nelson (both US Civil War generals. FEDERAL generals at that) was a "Tranter trigger"
For a very good history of the early history of gun manufacturing and how it fit in to the global gun-trade of the 18th century, I cannot recommend Empire of Guns by Priya Satia enough.
Othais: Oh boy, we're going deep on British revolver history. They'll be so happy to get a clear view of the evolution of the modern British revolver.
The Brits: You mispronounced our town and now I can't understand you!
Y'all sure sound like the French to me...
"Wait, y'all *don't* say all the letters? Yer funny."
Why don't throw all British Commonweath in there as well. Birmingham in the West Midlands Britain is Brim-ing-ham, Not Birmingham Alabama. Love your work and only too 2 mintues when the map came up to know where I've was
@@jsma9999 should be called Fake Birmingham, USA or Fake York, USA.
Then it wouldn't show me some unimportant "Boston" when I want the original, English type settlement.
@@julianshepherd2038 there real places in world and Fake dose not sit well width me.
The first thing I thought was "Oh no, he's going to get corrected so many times..."
The Brits certainly had their own idea about how a revolver should look. You can see the heritage of the early Adams revolver in almost all english revolvers.
Yep, even at a quick glance you can see the design influences.
I didn't understand this comment until I watched enough of the video.
The entire Birmingham complex was convenient to both the hospital and church, depending on how bad an industrial accident got.
I'd imagined what interesting injuries and prayers be like...........
That's dark, man; dark.
Skilled workers were a valuable commodity. Workplace deaths were not as common as you would think. You are thinking of grim mines and mills, Birmingham's arms factories were a different ball game, you had to work safely as not working safely would kill all your apprentices and burn down your factory.
@@zoiders Oh, is that what I was thinking? Thanks for letting me know. I thought I was just making a bit of observational humor. But your explanation definitely fits the context better.
@@carebear8762 Humour is meant to actually be funny. You haven't quite cracked sarcasm yet either.
When this revolver came out, the Samurai were still a thing. Mindboggling.
Hey, we're finally moving out of the Great War on Primer? My excitement is beyond words. I've been waiting to see what everybody thought of this sent the copyedit prerelease went live on Utreon a week ago. I can't wait to see what sort of historically significant guns y'all bring to our attention in the future. I'm proud of how my money is being spent by you all. Thank you. 💙
Myself I am looking forward to when they eventually get to the M-1 carbine. I know it will be a while but that has always been one of my favorite rifles.
@@tenofprime Give them another 5 years.
We have to go through the 3 hour episodes on the Kar98k, M1 Garand, and some handgun that you never heard of that influenced everything, first.
@@tristanc3873 oh yea, I know it is a ways off but it will be so worth it.
@@tristanc3873 Stop it, I can only get so excited.
"Short, fat and slow but still delivering an acceptable punch"....that was what I had on my online dating profile for years
Othias talking about the long demolished gunquarter with addresses remembered only on the ribs of old shotguns!
Best Xmas prezzie ever!
What a bummer.
At least Chinese didn't take it wholesale to China, like the old Longbridge Factory.
The fragility of the tantor’sspring explains to me at least why American guns were still popular despite not always being double action.
Thank you for the history guys!!!
This just makes me think of the early Bloke on the Range when he takes a similarly small vintage revolver with him for a night of debauchery out on the town.
Bulldog, a Belgian revolver.
That was the Bulldog IIRC
Outstanding episode, as always. However, as the show went on I kept waiting for Othius to reveal the hook to connect the Tranter to the Great War. Eventually, I figured it would be something like, "Larry Snodgrass, of Manchester, wrote home in 1917, that before joining the Queen's Own Lighthearted Fusiliers in France he stole a Tranter 1868 from his grandfather's nightstand. Still, a fun episode.
For YT’s algorithm; I already watched the earlier Patreon preview.
"What is that coming out of that dog?" These short, big bore revolvers were sometimes called "Barkers" in Britain. (I think you find that phrase in Sherlock Holmes.)
... also commonly referred to as a "British Bulldog" ?
This gun just screams British to me, it's beautiful in its simplicity and function
It definitely has a very British look, kind of like a webley.
Looks a lot like the Adams of that same time period.
Happy New Year, Othais, Mae, and crew! An excellent revolver for its day, and a very good choice in a brawl!
Thank you very much! I've got a Tranter 1868 (6 shots, longer barrel) but I never found much info about it, especially the mechanics.
Really hyped to see this one after hearing about it on the podcast
37:12 A 'metric tonne' ? I think not sir! Imperial tons, being 20 hundredweight (cwt), each of which is 8 stone (1 stone = 14 pounds) and thus 2,240 pounds in total, is the only correct bulk weight for British revolvers!
That's only 1.7% overweight given 2240lb at 1lb = 454g makes 1016.96kg
I spat out my tea when he said that, almost broke me mums fine china......
@@EmyrDerfel Sounds like French mischief to me.
A metric ton is 2 204.6 British pounds. So we are arguing over the weight of my house cat?
@@woodsmanforlife1677 damn you got a heavy cat
“Do you see sunflowers?”
“No, they’re Lewis pans, and they’re beautiful.”
😂😂😂
Good video. A good hypothesis on the origin of these cape revolvers with the Crown/3 marking. A have several guns with the same marking.
The most advanced and in my opinion the best Tranter cartridge revolver was his last design. His 1879 patent was Tranter's only hinge frame revolver and was made with a star ejector, a solid barrel lock up and a easily removable and replaceable cylinder. It was far better than the Enfield revolver adopted by the British War Department in 1880 and in some ways better than the later Webley MkI. My example, although well used, is tight and still shootable.
Interesting history and I love the military connection. That being said, the gun was sold primarily on the commercial market. Any insight as to the target market (pun intended)? Security guards? Bank tellers? Shop keepers? Extraordinary Gentlemen? There must be catalog and or other marketing material from the time... Thanks, keep up the good work.
Interesting how Tranter used a similar business model to a ton of Chinese factories today. "buy our product and you can put whatever company name you want on it".
It was a fairly normal thing back then. I own three shotguns from crescent arms with three different names
Britain was the manufacturing centre of the developing world. We could churn out quality mass produced goods on a scale other countries could only dream of. The shovels and picks and tools that enabled the push out west were mostly made in Sheffield. Cloth and linen came from Manchester. A scrap of lace was made in Nottingham. There was a little thing that took place in Britain called the Industrial Revolution.
The Taiwan economy is also built on this principal. They rebadge IBM clones or components at a cheaper cost. However it does give them a strong base for manufacturing industry. The viewsonic brand of monitor is a rebadged Panasonic.
Ditto India.
In the day , was also common for low to mid range US manufactured arms .
Nice to have a story based so close to where I was born, raised and live. Birmingham, certainly England as a whole, was once the workshop of the world.
This old gal makes you appreciate simple things such as the abadie or even a simple return spring for the ejector rod!
I hope this is going to end up on a bulldog episode, because I'm still on for more ww1 episodes.
SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK!
Also gonna get the patron podcast up in a few hrs, who's feeling strong tonight?!
It was at this moment I realized that if I had money, C&Rsenal would have it all
Depends on whether it's a gigantic two part podcast again
Send it!!!
Think this is the first time I've caught one of these on release. Good bye sleep. Not like I got much in the first place.
@@theatagamer90 I'm off this week, so this is perfect. I just had to let you know, because usually I'm the one in your shoes. Happy New Year!!!!! 🥳 🎉
BSA same reason as Lithgow is the arms factory for the Army. It was actually the first blast furnace in Australia
Thank you for doing this deep dive into an old rickety British revolver! Wonderful episode!
That is why I love this show! I learn more about history both of wars and firearms then most any gun video. Happy New Year to you all and I hope you experienced a very happy Christmas!
So I've not been on youtube all that much and I'm way behind on my C&Rsenal videos...I'm still back in November I just finished the Naval Luger, but since this is gun I've never heard of. I got interested fast. When you say British Revolvers I know Adams, Enfield, Webley and I even know Kerr but the name/style ?? of Tranter is drawing a blank so you know I'm leaping deep into this episode
Note on period pistol marksmanship: the hammer blocking the sights wasn't an error because the double action was for "emergency use only" at sword or bayonet distance, pointing at the target and visual focus on target. For precision shooting, single action was the go-to firing technique.
Excellent review of the "Tranter".
I must say this is a strange next step in the evolution of the colt :p
Mae, nice job on this episode! You scored a point or two off of Othias, and then you totally stunned him with the excellent pun at the end. 🙂
Sometimes I think of what Colt was doing to double action samples when he wrote them off as too unreliable.
Unless they were all pepperboxes and the odd shed machine shop prototype.
Given that a well shot SW military & police or model 10 will bind in double action if the trigger pull isn't authoritative, maybe he had similar problems with surfaces moving against each other. Suffice to say that the complexity might have been such that he just couldn't find where the problems were to fix them, and thus didn't want to put the project to market where he wouldn't have control.
@@KarltheKrazyone a Model 10 would have to be pretty well worn to start having issues, at least on most examples.
@@oldesertguy9616 Norwegian cop here, we used the model 10 from the 80's into the 2000's. I started my career with a model 10 that had 20 years of wear on it. Saw a couple of breakages happen on the range, broken firing pins. And once in a while the cylinder would bind somehow, though most of the time they ran fine. Anyway, give a S&W model 10 two or three decades of police use and it begins to wear out with increasing likelihood of parts breakage.
@Kaboomf I would guess it has a lot to do with how much the gun is actually fired and whether small problems are dealt with. I think some of it may be the armorer that takes care of it and whether the individual periodically is allowed or mandated to thoroughly clean and inspect it. I've seen poorly maintained revolvers where the officer was never taught to remove the cylinder to clean it. Some departments probably wouldn't want them to, anyway.
@@oldesertguy9616 these were serviced by a gunsmith annually, otherwise just cleaned without disassembly.
A thgought on the "invisable double action sights" question.
This is a British military revolver of the colonial era, intended to be used in a colonial setting. My suspician is that the thought process behind the design was something like this:
If they're far enough away that you need to use the sights, then you have time to cock and use it single action , using the sights. If however you're facing someone up close and personal trying to stick a spear in you, then they're close enough that you just point it in their general direction or stick it in their belly and blaze away double action without needing to use the sights.
That’s about half of the lost truth to the proper usage of the types of sights found on these and other old revolvers. As you said, if you have time and the skill to take a fine sight picture, a big and thinnish front sight with a teeny little rear notch is about as good as anything else a handgun can use excluding optical sights.
For closer work on moving targets, the eyes focus shifts to the intended target, and the revolver is presented below the dominant eyes line of sight. You see the gun in space just below your target, and though it is out of focus the shape of the revolver comes to a fine point at the tip of that protruding front sight and this takes care of your horizontal aim. Your vertical aim just comes down to knowing the bullet will impact somewhere in the space above the front sight with how high being a function of how far your target is and how much of an angle you are pointing the gun upward above the horizon line. It just takes a little practice.
@@Phlostonparadise2971 My old instructor used to call it a "combat sight picture", where you use just line up the front sight with the target while ignoring the rear sight. Seemed to work well for close work without delay, although it always shot just a little high - and at longer ranges that would start to make a difference.
With two main exceptions , the general millitary concept of handgun usage was at two to three time sword range .
So interesting - and I'm not a gun enthusiast! I am in awe of the research and detail. Love your videos.
Thank you May and Othias you all have a happy and prosperous new year too along with Mark and Bruno too
Thank you for all your hard work
Good thing about all that smoke is if you miss you can use it as a smoke screen to escape, brilliant feature!
"...My buddy Jonathan Fergusson at the Royal Armouries opened a whole drawer of these and found exactly one with the original spring in place..." OUCH! 🤕🤕
Yes, although most of them would have been replaced during their working lives.
@@JonathanFergusonRoyalArmouries Thx!
I was at the University of Birmingham in the late ‘80’s/early ‘90’s, every Monday afternoon you going hear them test firing barrels in the factories near Bristol Road South. One of the main pubs just off campus was called The Gun Barrels!
*Thank you for posting all of your videos. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!*
very nice coverage of an old and interesting gun....pre-dates a colt single action!
Look how cute those cartridges are!
Great Video ! Happy New Year !
that gun is truly impressive
Nice history lesson. Nice old revolver.
Oh man how did you get your hands on a Tranter?! I’ve been trying to buy one for a few years now and they always get too expensive, even at gun shows. Some day. Thanks for the video!
As much as Othias would love to own every most guns are on loan.
I would have said "especially at gun shows," as I have never been to a gun show where anything was reasonably priced. Usually everything is priced well over market value and the owners believe its made of gold so they will absolutely not come down on price even if no one else is interested that day in what they are selling.
Lol These were like $ 300aud in mid 90s. Pretty common out here
Leather and fur lined leather gloves explains the grip size. I suspect this thing was a floorboard gun in several vehicles.
Thanks RIA, CHI, and the Very Royal Armouries.
Thank you for this. I love the Tranter and the Adams too. What your map fails to bring home is that these were straightforward terraced houses built as homes. Then various rooms were used by the parts makers and actual gun making, barrel making and forging moved into the tenements behind the houses. Small boys running about carrying parts in buckets from house to house. Even a lock maker would have bought in springs and filed parts from other contractors. Not to mention screws, bolts, small castings and forging to be machined and/ or filed. It was the need to upgrade to capital expensive machined interchangeable production for major and government orders that drove the big makers to join to make the likes of BSA and modern factories. There is an engraving of Greener’s barrel forging taking place in the back tenement of one of these houses in what is patently the old scullery and wash house.
BTW I agree that this Tranter has all the signs of being a commercial production bought off the shelf by a colonial government. Hence having been made to commercial pattern with engraving, short barrel and no lanyard.
Excellent episode. The revelations you provide place the development paths of pistols into a timeline. Happy new year to you all.
Famous users of the Tranter revolver were Allan Pinkerton, Jeb Stuart and Dr Richard Jordan Gatling.
Can anyone else confirm this?
Another excellent production with a massive amount of research carried out and rebuilding, reconstruction of broken parts to restore the revolver in a functioning firearm. The time this took would be interesting to know, we all know that you spend a large amount of time just checking facts are correct and not just hearsay, adding the gunsmithing, ammunition acquisition or making, range time, sripting, recording, editing & postproduction. The time must be huge.
As I live in Wales there is practically no chance of handing such vintage weapons (possibly deactivated ones) and definitely not firing them. It wasn't quite as restricted in the 60's & 70's but after a few massacres culminating in the one in Dunblane ownership of handguns was banned and apart from collection's that were moved abroad most handguns despite historical importance or rarity were destroyed. A typical knee jurk reaction of politicians acting without thoughts for the consequences of their actions. Pre ban the majority of handguns were in registered ownership with a small minority illegally held, know the police estimate that there are as many and possibly double the number of handguns illegally held as there were before the ban! (Minor rant over)
Keep up the tremendous work you do, your attention to detail is exemplary and something many other youtubers could learn from, with possibly the exception of Ian's Forgotten Weapons cannel. Than you so much, I look forward to your new productions with trepidation.
I love this episode. The ONLY WAY I COULD LOVE IT MORE is if this were a teaser for The Small Arms of The US Civil War (or call it whatever you want Southerners, its all good) series for 2022. Could be fun, no pressure. Seriously, this episode is a combination of business production lesson, little known huge innovation (evolution) story, and a cool little piece of history. Now this little comment, I wouldn't worry about this little comment.
A lot of fiddly bits but an early successful single/double action revolver. Have wondered about the Tranter for many years.. Bravo! 🤠
Thank you both. The best channel for European weapons, nothing less! And definitive proof that colts were neither first nor best.
Blessings from Australia 🇦🇺.
Excellent video! I have a soft spot for British revolvers.
Have you looked at the pre-breakopen Webleys, like the Number 5?
Dabbin' on the algorithm, one comment at a time!
Looking forward to another year of great content folks!
Just sent Othias an email a few hours ago.....glad to offer
I love you guys. Please never ever stop. Please.
Perfect choice for defence against a devilish black hound on foggy Dartmoor.
I thought that too :-)
The good doctor did carry his pistol in his pocket. But was the model actually named?
It was just called his "service revolver", which in the 1880s could mean a lot of things.
Holmes occasionally carried a revolver, too. This was sometimes depicted on screen as a Webley RIC, or even a Colt SAA, but I don't think it was ever named in the novels.
Wasn't ever named , but from the era and the relative popularity , RIC would be a good guess .
Had to imfdb this. My definitive Holmes, the Granada TV version with Jeremy Brett, shows Watson with a Webley MkVI or IV, and Holmes with a British Bulldog, Webley RIC, and the occasional Colt SAA. If we forgive the later-mark Webleys (WG and MkI would be fine), it's pretty good firearms-wise. In supporting roles, there were often double shotguns, Sharps Derringers, Velodogs and American top-breaks.
WOOHOOOOOO NO SLEEP THE GREAT BEARD HAS GRANTED US A HOLY GIFT
The Great Beard speakith, and we listen, then the Angel comes down, and shows us the shooting, and it is Good.
It's a bit wild to have a episode from my part of the world. Brum! Oldbury!
Such a huge lead bullet for such a tiny case! Ballistics must be barely any better than throwing a rock!
200- 225 gr bullet @ 650- 700 fps . aka 200- 250 ft lb , with .45 cal no less .
Amazing history and educational study of economics!
years ago in Canada we needed a police man come into our homes to check storage for hand guns.
The police detective for me was named Tranter and my last name is Kerr ... this is getting scary
An idea for a side series: the history of the complexes that manufactured all these firearms: off the top of my head you've got Springfield, Harpers ferry, BSA, RSAF Enfield, Liege/FN, Ibar and I'm certain there is more that are currently escaping me with fascinating stories
27:15 the same thing keeps happening with my French Model 1892 revolver, but only with one particular chamber. Happens at random with either loaded or unloaded gun. Any idea how to troubleshoot this? Happy New Year O&M and the rest of the crew!
Great Work again Othais & May .. Naturally. - I'd truly love to get a copy of that Webley Print on the wall behind your head in the video .. what's the chances ?
I just want to know is Othias trying to say Xhosa Wars in the video? Love the history and its close to home for me as I live in the frontier area of the Eastern Cape. Keep up the great work C&R
Really caught my attention the looks of the revolver
The first place I can remember living as a child was near the base of Mount Bartle Frere in North Queensland.
great work as always!
I'm a bit confused, giving you the same serial numbers for centerfire as well as rimfire? I know percussion cap and centerfire had two different, just not sure where the rimfire fall
looks like a fun revolver.
What bullet mold are you guys using for .450 Adams? Great episode btw!
Wonderful! Happy New Year.
An excellent video! Merry Christmas
34:37 Is the "LOOK" of, I am so thankful this thing did not Explode!
Is that the gun in "The Wind and the Lion": "Get down Eden!"....
CAN you do a video about famous assassinations and the guns used. I just was looking into what Princip used to kill the archduke. (FN M1910) BUT I thought a video with maybe 10 of the most famous assassinations and the guns used would be so near... HISTORY and GUNS . Love your stuff!
New t-shirt! The Lewis pan bouquet.
Excellent, once again!
Great as always
Watching Mae work the ejector, etc., makes me think repeatedly of the word 'contraption.'
Nice work guys
excellent as always
As a small side note, seem to recall the pistol that Jefferson C Davis used to kill William Nelson (both US Civil War generals. FEDERAL generals at that) was a "Tranter trigger"
Awesome video, a 10$ utreon supporter.
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Very intersting.Thanks.Please.more about europian rifles in 19 century.
Happy New Year!
Happy New Year to all of you!
Hope yall can get some sleep soon! Thanks for the history lesson :3
Great, informative, video.
Yep. I see one of the next T-shirt promos 1:05:16
That would be quite the expensive beautiful little pocket pistol to own
feeling safe with that in your pocket
For modern day context of size and power , think a Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Spl .
@@filianablanxart8305 for modern day comparison!! This would be an equivalent to carrying around a super crazy ass expensive!!!!!!!! 38 special
In 1868, was Rollin White's patent still preventing anyone but S&W from making a cartridge revolver in the U.S.?
Remington intoduced a cartridge revolver in 1868 , they paid a royalty to S&W .
For a very good history of the early history of gun manufacturing and how it fit in to the global gun-trade of the 18th century, I cannot recommend Empire of Guns by Priya Satia enough.