History Primer 158: Spanish Peabody Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
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Peabody Firearms
Edward Hull
American Society of Arms Collectors Bulletin 118:62-67
The Post-Civil War Quest for U.S. Cavalry Carbines
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"We're filming during daylight so no insane rants."
Attenborough narrating how the North American Firearms Yeti is normally a nocturnal creature preferring 3 AM vocalizations at the full moon while shaking antiques at mystical totems comes to mind.
B Team are the Bravo Testers or Beta Testers.
D&Rsenal?... ;p
I really love both you and Ian McCollum. They each serve different niches in my quest for firearms knowledge. Ian provides a nice pleasant luncheon, just enough for a mid-day meal. Othais, you and Mae are the purveyors of a seven- course meal, replete with desserts, brandy and cigars.🤓
Well, said! Couldn't agree more.
Yes indeed!
Huzzaha!
As fancy as smoking is... Let's leave out the cigars for health purposes.
Was a big fan of Ian up until I learned about his support of the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion.
Now that is a gun that looks older than it is.
Sherman: Golly Mr. Peabody you sure look different today.
Mr. Peabody: *loads a round* Silencio M'Hijo!
had to see if anyone else was a connoisseur of the higher art of saturday morning "cartoons" and I wasn't disappointed
@@mikepette4422 "Don't Shoot! It Says... He's An.. American TAXPAYER!"
@@mikepette4422 Old Fart's. You must be about my age LOL.
Fuck... I feel old now...
*NOT SAYING THIS TO SOUND MEAN AT ALL*
Seeing Othias with a bigger beard and Mae with gray hairs really makes you realize just how long 7+ years of shooting historical guns of war can be.
Yes and Mae still has her looks , one beautiful attractive woman 🥰✌
Nice seeing a little bit of Canadian history on here! Fun mini-fact about the fenian invasions and the Canadian militia; when there wound up being a major shortage of officers and NCOs in the militia, they drafted a bunch of cadet students from the University of Toronto, who being a bunch of genteel university boys studying the classics and history, decided on using tactics they had read about in Caesar and books about Napoleon and proceeded to get slaughtered almost to a man. Poor decision making all round.
I demand more on this. Tell us more, damn it!
Ya I learned about that and the ten year war both incredibly interesting conflicts
While not like y'all are allowed to make anything contemporary
We’re definitely going to have to do a Project Lightening style shootout with single shot guns breech, aren’t we?
Absolutely!
Oh I hope so. All blackpowder, all breachloaders, all single-shot, and with a muzzle-loading percussion rifle as a control group.
PLEASE DO THIS
Yup!!!
Project molasses
The B-team should be called the Proofing Commission.
I'm picturing Mae and Othias as Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman...
Get that B-team up and running!
I love the 3D printed cartridge instead of a snap cap. Neat idea for what I'm assuming is more of an oddball cartridge.
In reference to the Gunsmoke conversation after the credits. I grew up in Spearville, which is 17 miles east of Dodge City.
During the early 1980s, I was one of the gunfighters in the daily show put on by the Front Street replica tourist attraction. I used an 1851 Navy Coult reproduction in the show. Later, after one of the actors was accidentally shot during the show, the actors were no longer allowed to use their personal weapons.
One of my in-laws served as the marshall of Dodge City near the end of the cattle boom years.
One of the enduring memories I have of the show Gunsmoke was the line spoken by the lead character. His response to a question was "A man who isn't ever afraid, he's a fool." Words to live by.
I don't know why, but for some reason the hammer-fired Peabodys seem, to me, to hit that intermediate ground between modern and old that's close to Jules Verne-ish sci-fi. Both kinda streamlined and slimmed down, with that slick single-shot breechloading action...but still has that external sidelock hammer, just like all the rifle-muskets of the Civil War era and earlier, hearkening right on back to flintlocks.
Almost a shame the later Martini-Henry (which, I imagine, should properly have been the Peabody-Martini-Henry) didn't manage to preserve the svelte lines of the receiver.
I was thinking the same while a browsed the Italian equivalent of gunbroker looking for one. Unfortunately no success, but a French 1914 rolling block popped up instead
Gun looks so old, you could get called a Fusilier for using one.
@@stevailo XD _Of course_ a rolling block shows up when you're looking for a Peabody, looks like old rivalries never really die.
@@Kneb587 LOL that’s so true and hilarious if you think about it
This comment was originally added on the Patreon release, but I'll add it on the public one for completeness' sake.
Regarding the discussion on safety and the half-cock position around 55:00 , the Romanian 1872 manual in use with the Peabody during the Romanian War of Independence specifically mentions that the standard is for the loading and firing to be done on command, with the rifles empty when moving and carried in the "la umăr" (lit: "shoulder arm") position (rifle vertical in front of the right armpit, the thumb and index finger of the right hand curled above and below the trigger guard holding the rifle into the shoulder, the rest of the fingers curling around the receiver)
The full command sequence is as follows:
"in genunchi gătiți" or " in picioare gătiți" ("kneeling ready" or "standing ready" - tells the riflemen if they're going to fire from standing or kneeling position - if kneeling the rifle is already in a loading position so the next command is omitted)
"spre încărcare" ("for loading" - only if firing from a standing position, rifle is held diagonally in front of the body just below the cartridge pouch so that the tip of the bayonet is level and in line with the left eye, right leg moves half a step back)
"întinde cocoșul" ("straighten the hammer" - hammer is moved to the half cock position)
"deschide camera" ("open the breech" - self explanatory)
"scoate cartușul" ("take out the cartridge" - from the cartridge pouch)
"cartușul in cameră" ("cartridge in the chamber")
"închide camera" ("close the breech")
"trage cocoșul" ("pull back the hammer" - hammer is moved to full cock)
"în sus, la ochi" ("up to the eye" - rifle is shouldered and target acquired)
"salva" ("salvo" - finger on the trigger)
"foc!" ("fire!")
"la loc" ("back" - rifle is returned in the "spre încărcare" position and either another salvo is fired or the soldiers are ordered to shoulder arms and walk towards the enemy)
There was also an order for independent fire "foc de voie" ("fire at will"), but this is mentioned more in passing since it was thought it would only be needed for for the "vânători" (lit. "hunters", equivalent to the French "Chasseurs") light infantry since the line infantry was expected to fight, well, in line...
Now all this in theory.
In practice they discovered that using US Civil War (or Franco-Prussian war) era tactics against well entrenched Turkish troops equipped with magazine fed lever-action Winchesters was a somewhat suicidal proposition, so, after the first few attacks on the Grivița Redoubt ("Kanli Tabiya" as it was known to the Ottomans) resulted in routs, the soldiers were specifically ordered not to fire on the next assault, and simply walked through the fire, down into the ditch and over the parapet and attacked at the point of the bayonet.
This also had the unexpected bonus that now the soldiers had their full quantity of ammunition (100 rounds) to fend off the inevitable Turkish counter-attack, which is why the Turks were able to retake the redoubts on the "Green Hills" (Abdul Bey Tabiya and Issa Tabiya) from the Russians, but not Grivița.
Of course, unfortunately, there was a second redoubt just behind this one, Bas Tabiya, which still blocked the path into the city, which is why the whole siege of Plevna dragged on for another month...
Also it's interesting to note that according to documents we had two calibres of Peabody rifles - one was 11.43mm (Romanian 11.43x59mmR also used on the Martini Henry M.1879) and the other 10.4mm (.41 Swiss?).
I was going to comment something about the Peabody, but then I decided to adopt the Remington Rolling Block instead.
I just realized I have been watching you guys long enough to notice that you both are getting grey hairs. 158+ In depth firearm videos is more than a bit stress inducing.
Some of us call it silver-blond. 🤣
Yay. Welp not sleeping now.
My thoughts exactly...
During the speed contest between the Rolling Block and this gun, it seemed like Mae was really glossing over the speed of actually handling the cartridges. Comparing the range footage, it seems like the Peabody is both easier to load (since the ramp guides the cartridge better) and has far more positive ejection (compared to pulling out cases in the Rolling Block footage).
This cannot be emphasized enough, Bloke on the Range did a vid about 6 months ago (in french). He did a mad minute and got off 8 or 9 shots? Wouldn't happen with the rolling block.
@@victorlight4296 he does say this was tested at 40rds in 4 minutes, so 10/min is a reliable stat
yea, soldiers needed a knife to pry out the spent cartridge
To be fair to the rolling block, they did say that one rifle had a broken extractor, which necessitated pulling the rounds out by hand
"Ah yes i want to hear about an old rifle for 78 minutes."
I love your work, guys! Especially the detailed, well researched history and the animations. I learned so much from these videos, i WISH i had all of this to watch while in gunsmith school.
Tendies: microwaved
Sipp: cracked
New C&Rsenal: on
Yep it’s Gamer time
At this point i'd watch you guys talk about any firearm from any period. While you started with WW1 at this point you're pretty much experts and it doesn't matter about what gun you're making a video, it's going to be informative and pleasant to watch video!
This is the bread and butter, but their dive into black power revolvers is just as good. "It's a Trap" is a ton of fun with some obscure but interesting history mixed in. "Ian can't Othias" is a special treat that never fails to make me laugh.
I'm glad that you're adding Primer vids. I haven't seen any notifications in a while but looked, and there they are! Keep up the AWESOME work!
In the first five seconds of this episode, with Mae holding the Peabody rifle with the muzzle toward the upper right and the top of the rifle in a nearly three quarter view, showing the top of the receiver, the wide cartridge groove atop the block, the angled notch where the hammer nose mates with block and firing-pin, and the separate back action, my mind intuited 'Spencer.’ You see, I have frequently handled and, more than thirty years ago, shot a Burnside Rifle Company produced 1865 Spencer carbine. That particular carbine had, by some unknown path, found its way to Thailand. That Spencer had been modified to fire center-fire cartridges by having a hole drilled through the center of the block and a center-fire firing pin brazed to the original rimfire pin in a fashion similar to the Peabody rimfire-to-centerfire conversion that you described. There seemed to be no U.S. acceptance marks, but there is a Bangkok registration number stamped into the stock.
Here’s some engagement to draw others while I get some sleep and will watch tomorrow.
Thanks for the continued content and I hope you’re enjoying your freedom to wander and dabble!
Great episode as always! I love the deep dives you do into these old guns!
Here to show how engaged I am, as always when a video is this in depth, complete and worthy of every second spent watching. Great work guys, keep it up!
The Habanera "Tu" in the background it's a really nice touch.
"Tu" was composed by Eduardo Sanchez de Fuentes only in 1890, long after the Ten Years War was over. There were contradanzas habanera floating around but danzon invented by Miguel Faílde Pérez was actually the rage in Cuba at the time.
Great episode! When I watched the preview on Utreon I couldn’t help thinking you needed a crime genre whiteboard or cork board with photos, notes and lines/strings connecting the players and events.
I love this channel and the knowledge and history they bring!
Will have catch the rest tomorrow thanks for upload.
I was kind of hoping for a dog with glasses and a pal named, Sherman..... 😔
Great Episode! Thank you!
probably said this before, but this is absolutely my favorite series on youtube
Awesome video, I love your work!
I smell a martini episode in the near future
Thank you fir these wonderful videos
Watching the final comments part when they were comparing some of the period actions it has to be noted that there was a conflict where those in fact faced each other in repetitive battles: The War of the Pacific between Chile and the Peruvian-Bolivian confederation (1879-1884). Comblains (Chile), Rolling Blocks, Peabody Martinis and Gras/Chassepots (Perú mostly) were employed by opposing forces in many situations, ranging from small skirmishes to huge land battles. In the end although some rifles proved to be better than the others (The Chassepots were probably the worst) what really made the difference strongly favoring the Comblain-equipped Chilean Army were logistics, training and artillery support.
Great episode. Thanks and keep up with the great work.
For some reason I really like single-shot blackpowder breechloaders, so I'm happy to see this video, both for its own sake and because it helps set up the Martini-Henry. Also looking forward to a series on the trapdoor Springfields.
I was always curious about this gun. Thanks!
Oh man. I have been waiting for this mini series for a long time!!
Also, I heard leaving a comment gets these wonderful people more views. So I did 2...or is it a comment squared?
I get up to date on all my channels and am bored thinking there's nothing to watch, then bam. C&Rsenal to the rescue
I know it’s probably impossible logistically and would be of limited interest… but I’d love to see something along the lines of Project: Lightning but just comparing single shot cartridge rifles, especially for rate of aimed fire. Martini-Henry, Trapdoor Springfield, Peabody, Rolling Block, Comblain, Werder, etc.
I'm absolutely loving the repercussion series, cartridge for the time I know it's a lot to make but I totally appreciate it. Crab man in Forest woman are the best I will continue to ritually watch
I love the Peabody. Won't never be able to afford one. Thanks for sharing your experiences with it.
nice! thanks for the great content!
Thanks!
thank you !
I'm liking the Patreon test viewing because now I get to like each episode twice.
I've seen the Spanish ones listed as Fusil Peabody de Ejercito de Ultramar Mo. 1868 and Mo. 1868/70 for the .50 and .43 caliber versions respectively, but I think those are retroactive designations because it's noted in at least one paper that nobody's been able to provide a reference for those designations in period literature.
That is a beautiful rifle, keep up the good work
I hand loaded .43 spanish for a Argentine Calgary Carbine Rolling block, it's a nice old world cartridge, but the brass is a bit difficult to come by , the bullets can be found with some effet. Makes me want a .43 spanish Peabody after watching this. Great video as always.
This definitely was one of the most satisfying sounding guns so far.
Very glad to see Drake is still credited. :)
Yer gonna have ta do that 1911 story, ya know...
But keep up the good work! It's appreciated.
I have a 43 Spanish Peabody that is like new. I was Profmarked in Germany and never issued
so it sat locked up in an arsenal for over 100 years. This Rifle was never fired till I got it.
The Peabody is the most beautiful of all the falling block rifles. I regert passing on a chance to buy one a few years ago.
Pea-ba-dee, said quickly is how you say Peabody. Also, I suspect, since the inventor is a MA native, that one of his ancestors was a founder of the town of Peabody, MA.
Whether centerfire or rimfire, the position of the firing pin is such that the breach must be closed to ignite a cartridge. Also note that the shape of the firing pin is such that a slam fire is extremely unlikely even with an over sensitive primer (not impossible, but up there with a lightening strike at any give point). Also, the pin has nothing to do with strength. Its sole function is to pivot the block, which is supported by the rear of the receiver, not the pin. Not that I'd recommend it, but both the Peabody and Martini can be shot without the pin. If the block is closed, it isn't going anywhere.
For testing things like the ability to slam fire old guns, using a primed case (primer only, no bullet or powder) is useful. It's loud enough to let you know if it goes off, but there should be no pressure and a fairly limited danger area in front of the barrel (instead of a bullet flying off to who knows where). I've done that to test if repaired/gunsmith guns firing properly. I'd still only recommend doing it outside and being mindful of debris coming out of the barrel especially if the bore or the reloaded cartridge case is dirty, as the primer can dislodge some crud and send it flying out the barrel.
I'm really looking forward to the Sharps rifle episode now.
I had never even heard about the Peabody, now I want one and I'm not a collector. As to the weight of the rifle always remember in combat your rifle will have to double as a spear and/or a club from time to time.
I have a CT. Peabody in 45-70, excellent shooter
Been so excited for this one! Do you guys think you'll get around to covering the M1869 Werder?
We’ve got three vids over at Bloke on the Range on the M1869 covering history, mechanics and speed shooting.
I always wanted a 45-70 but never really got mine. I was going to convert a bolt gun to that round but found none really long enough, I did build two 444 marlins in bolt action, one on a Styer straight pull and one on an Engfield 1914 action which made a great bolt pumpkin launcher. I want one of these in 45-70!
It's interesting how much modern stuff sprang into existence in the 1860s. From Bunsides and Maynards to this and of course the Rolling Block.
I Live In Denmark and I have a Peabody Rifle witch is a conversion from a muzzel loading Tower 1862 rifle to a breach loading rifle.
In this cinversion they put the leaver on top of the rifle instead of making the trigger guard the leaver.
It looks a bit experimentel but everything is precisly made and looks factury produced.
Thanks
I wonder if we will see a general episode on periscope rifles both sides produced .some version of them were made by turkey,Germany,Britain,USA and Canada that I have seen I imagine there were others as well. I would imagine laying hands on these rare one offs would be something of a problem . A boy can dream though
The smile....PRICELESS!
I have one of the Connecticut guns! It's in great condition and fires ,45-70. It shoots straight still.
My apologies to you and crew, I wish I’d known you could’ve used my Connecticut contract Peabody in 45/70 for additional content… love the 3D animation
Also I seem to use the “two finger” cocking movement as it seems natural and keeps my right hand in place.
Hell yeah - let's do it!
there's a mural in Manila depicting the Philippine Revolution. In that mural, you will see only ONE armed with a rifle. It puzzled me as to what rifle it may be. Due to the external hammer, I was led to believe that it is a percussion cap rifle. But, this episode gave me a slight hint that it may be a Spanish Peabody rifle.
Knew the name but knew nothing about the rifle. Very interesting thank you.
What is a good resource for information on these single shot military rifles - I’d like to know what’s going on with the comblain rifle in context to he Peabody during this same general time period?
Thanks
-Citypuns
33:33 An engineer was definitely having a giggle with the shape of that piece.
So we were really close to having the peabody instead of the trapdoor
Glad we are covering Mr Peabody’s invention but I’m just wondering where his boy Sherman fits into this ?
11:30 ''without injury to the shooter''
Ah yes, the invention of the piece of string was decades away, silly me.
Oh boy another gun I need in a cartridge I don't yet have.
People like Peabody - who just keep going and going with what they believe in, no matter how many setbacks they encounter - really impress me. In his position I would've lost hope after the third or fourth military trial that I almost won but not quite.
So where does the Trapdoor fit in on reloading speed. There were Allin conversions around at that point.
Could you open the action with the hammer in fired position?
It seems that Robbin's and Lawrence was an incubator for the whole future arms industry.
I keep forgetting you still haven't done that Martini-Henry lineage episodes. I think you first referenced working on them around episode 70.
I've tried a technique for opening the breech and cocking the hammer of a rolling block in one motion. It's not too difficult with practice but awfully hard on the palm, like fanning a revolver.
I think you're getting way more positive ejection with the Peabody over the Rollingblock. That in and of itself is going to skew the speed in the Peabody's favor. Off the top of my head I believe in BotR mad minute tests they came out pretty even, with the Martini being faster.
At 45:53, it was stated in the video that "2,449 Peabody rifles were sold to a German dealership directly to Hong Kong". Was this also in 1885? Or maybe a later year? (Sometime during 1899 or later perhaps?)
Peabody and Sherman , my favorite cartoon long ago when i was a kid 😉✌
Nice
There used to be photos of a Danish .50 cal rolling block that killed the shooter. the block split at the pin. They found several different cartridges at the site, so who knows what was chambered when it blew.
I would like you to compare this to the Lee Vertical Loader. I’ve handled one and it was very fast to operate.
I haven't thought of an insightful comment, but I'll do my duty to the channel and post.
Is there any information about the performance from the field?
A few thousand Peabodies ended up in Peruvian and Bolivian hands along Remington RBs (Egyptian ones IIRC), Martini-Henrys and even Chassepots fighting Chilean Comblains, Gras and Beaumonts in the War of the Pacific in 1879-1883.
The Mausers arrived too late to be used in actual fighting.
A beautiful, Chunky Boi! And the Peabody is nice also! 😂😂🤟
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Economy of action, ease of manufacture, and reduced costs are all aspects that can keep a weapon in service beyond its reasonable service life. Just look at how late the Springfield Trapdoor was in service in the US when so many other countries were developing magazine bolt action service rifles.
Trapdoors were popular as it was easy to convert old front-stuffers to this system.
And if you were already training your troops on converted trapdoors, it mad sense to equip the entire force with the system.
That said, learning about the 1873 pattern Springfield trapdoor did cause me to rise an eyebrow.
By that date the trapdoor did strike me as a bit.. dated - for once no pun intended - for a new pattern. Continuing an already adopted pattern yea sure, but a new one? While other militaries were fielding repeaters as standard service rifles?
@@Bird_Dog00 to be fair at the time the Us cared far less about the military than it does now and the trapdoor was good enough for beating up the most likely enemy. doubt they cared much for keeping up with the oldworld armies ,wich themselves didn't mass issue repeaters yet but certainly better singleshots.
@@herocommand Fair points.
I guess it was "good enough" for shooting at folks who were probably stil using muzzle loaders. I stil think by the early 1870 it was an outdated system (I once found a PDF of pattent drawing for a trapdoor shotgun - probably the first breach loading long gun we know off - dated 1812).
I'm sure C&Rsenal will sooner or later cover the 1873 Springfield and may shed some light on the government's thought process. Looking forward to it.
You also have a point on the use - or relative lack therof - of repeaters in the time period.
The technology was known and understood but militaries feard that it would cause soldeirs to waste ammunition.
Afaik the only nation to formaly adopt a repeater as its standard issue service rifle before 1870 was switzerland (1869 though afaik wide-spread issueing of the new rifle didn't happen before 1871).
@@Bird_Dog00 It's also logistics with ammunition and parts that kept the trapdoor in service.
Nice rifle
That breach block looks just like the martini henry but not surprising considering martini was somewhat involved with this gun