History of WWI Primer 003*: French 1892 Documentary
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2023
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Original 003:
• History of WWI Primer ...
Additional reading:
Le 1892, Le revolver de la Revanche
Marc de Fromont
Le Livre du Grade
October 1906
Circulaires et Instructions
Minister of War C. De Freycinet
Du Modele 1873 au Modele 1892
Henri Vuillemin
Le Revolver 1892 mecanisme & rechargement
John C. Frost
Geschichte und Technik der europäischen Militärrevolver Band I
Rolf Muller
French Service Handguns 1858 - 2004
Eugene Medlin & Jean Huon
Revolver Francais Reglos & Civil 1858 - 1892
Henri Vuillemin
Le revolver d'essai Modele 1887
Marc de Fromont
Le revolver 1885 de luxe du general Boulanger
Henry Vuillemin
Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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Animations by Bruno!
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It's really nice that Othais and Co will redo episodes, at great time and expense, just to provide the new information
That is one of the big reasons I love the content they provide. Not only do they go in depth, if something is wrong or incomplete they have no shame redoing them.
That is FUCKIN AWESOME 👍
There is literally NO INFORMATION on any serious rdvolver history easily available on google. SEO got so bad i can barely find information on the most common names he mentions.
I can't even find the name of the french guy who designed that revolver gate mentioned because i don't know the exact spelling and generic articles don't mention it.
Ian: *Pops up behind Othias*: BONJOUR!
Bwah!
It’s French Gun Jesus can’t resist
😂😂😂
Hello reddit
*Excited HON HON HON noises*
“Our pistol would benefit from a few extra years in the oven.”
Georges Boulanger = George Baker!
Please tell me this was deliberate! 😂
The tale of the French Police detective "Dirty Henri"... using the 8mm Ordnance cartridge... "Can you please maybe sort of not make my day?” 😂
That is the funniest thing I've seen all day!
Nah, he'd just go with a Manurhin MR 73 in .357 Magnum.
Lol! 😆
... and it would blow one of your teeth clean out ...
This is a level of technical nerdery that you can't help but admire and respect.
The history of the revolver seems to be a rabbit hole that never ends. Massive kudos for not going crazy trying to figure it out.
Othais just wanted to do backstories on some guns for his and Mae's youtube show and ended up having to basically correct the entire history of the military revolver.
Can't wait for his book
@@matthewn4896I must get it.
As a Canadian with a very limited choice of handguns, the French 1892 is the only gun I own with a swing-out cylinder. I’ve gotten so used to popping out the cylinder with my left thumb and ejecting with my left index finger, then loading with my right hand, that the “normal” swing out cylinders on modern revolvers feel backwards and awkward to me.
I love that y'all are willing to re-do an episode with new information when possible. Also lmao at the 1873 having a muzzle velocity low enough to not count as a firearm under canadian law
Except most Canadians who own one have theirs rechambered to .455 webley 😄
Muzzle velocity yes but it also needs to have a muzzle energy if 5.7 joules or less of which this has significantly more. The only reason it isn't a firearm is because it has antique status.
After Ballistol started sponsoring you, I started purchasing it. It's great and has a lot of uses. Thank you so much for mentioning the use on cuts and scrapes.
I don't know whether they sell it around here, but I can always get a few cans of Bud Light to take along to any event where grazes are likely.
It's nearly tap water, with just enough ethanol to keep it sterile in the can, great for a quick rinse.
Damn, the MAS 1873 revolver has a lower muzzle velocity than a significant number of crossbows being sold today.
"What's the muzzle velocity?" "No"
It really does show how militaries at the time saw the pistol as a badge of rank and not a tool for real combat.
I wouldn't expect the french to go with a crossbow again. not after last time.
@@tenofprime The US, Britain and Russia took pistols seriously, but yeah continental Europe had a different state of mind.
@@hailexiao2770 Spain sort of took pistols quite seriously as well... I mean, even during the percussion era they adopted the Beaumont Adams, one of the best percussion revolvers in my opinion, for the military as well as the civil guard (Not to mention they also used the Lefaucheux revolver for some time). In the cartridge era their military also employed quite a lot of copies of top break S&W and Merwin Hulbert revolvers of decent quality chambered in adequately powered cartridges.
Finally! If only you knew how much I wanted a remake of this episode in your current style!
Thank you very much!
Weird I literally fell asleep last night watching the og one (in a good way!) 👍
The current style hasn't changed any lol
@@richardturk7162 yes it did, they are way more thorough now compared to back in the day
I would also argue that the background has changed slightly.
@@richardturk7162 Mae's hairstyle has changed.
It's nice revisiting this classic.
Oh boy an hour and 40 minutes of old revolvers I'm ready and awake. Thanks
I'm sure when O made the first go at the French 1892 he never would've guessed the revolver rabbithole he would later go down. Great work guys on the sheer amount of progression in the quality of the episodes we have now when compared to at the beginning.
The revolver most appropriate for our left-handed, Francophile, Lord and Saviour.
Othais pulliing out the Swiss piece at 1:04:35 made me genuinely laugh at loud. Like, "I thought you'd say that, so here's one I prepared earlier."
I still remember getting into the Primer series, when I'd only just became interested in WW1 Firearms (largely due to gaming). I remember watching the original 1892 video, thinking it was neat but a bit dated. Now I get to watch the remake AND my knowledge and appreciation of these old guns has gone up greatly.
Basically, these things are awesome! Absolutely stoked for that Ruby vid!
That abedie loading gate for releasing the cylinder is beautiful in simplicity and safety.
Much respect for doing these updates. 👍
i really dig the running subplot of just a few people on the internet slowing trying to untangle the mess that's the history of revolver development.
Wow what a re-do! Really liked the more in depth review knowing what you guys know now as opposed to what you knew when you did the original one,
Bravo!!
No "War were declared!" :( Still, a great episode redux...
Every day we get a primer is a good day
How exciting. The last couple revolvers have led to this, now we get to see how much has changed since the last vid.
New redone episodes are always welcome. The work of a scholar who wants to share the best information.
Some of the easiest firearms history listening on the planet, along with your superb visuals is what makes me keep coming back to this channel. Knocking it out of the park as always, Othias!
When I was a boy, I guess I was 8 or 9 years old, we moved to town so my sisters could go to high school, dad sold the farm and we moved to a rooming house. I had a bedroom that I shared with another fellow on one side of the ranch house, mom dad and my sisters lived in the two rooms on the other side of the house. Well the old man who owned the house had a son who was in WWII, and survived Normandy. HE brought home an old footlocker that was stored in my bedroom. When I was alone I used to pull that old foot locker out and rummage through his war trophies, I Loved the German Dagger and the Hitler Youth knife as well as a revolver that looked a lot like the one in this video. Sure wish I had those things today but they stayed in the room when dad found us a house to move to and we left the old man's house. I had a blast playing with those trophies though, there was even a French helmet and rifle in the corner. I met the owner once when we drove his dad to visit him in Lead South Dakota where the man worked in the gold mine there.
Yay Ballistol! I just dropped an ordered right before viewing this.
The old 003 will have its place taken by this one shortly, so if you're curious, now's the time to check it out!!
ruclips.net/video/wcLgj9QhXQ8/видео.html
Edit: The old one is Unlisted, so the link will still work, this new one has just taken its place in the playlist since this is the updated 003 episode.
Aww you aren’t leaving the links to the old videos in the description anymore? :(
@@TenaciousTrilobite did we use to do that? Now I've gotta go look around and see, I hate breaking the norm
I find it a sign of how far the show has come in quality that you could play the old episode twice and the updated meaversation would still have 5-10 minutes left.
@@maewinchester2030 You did indeed leave links to the old, unlisted primers after updates and I greatly appreciate the links. I hate lost media.
I agree, I don't see why you need to remove the old one!
Outstanding remake. I love that you guys care enough about your videos that you will remake them when new information comes to light. I am still loving the tshirts that I got from you.
The episode this one needed. 💚
I go to sleep listening to C&Rseanal.
This is not a criticism - Othias and Mae just have such fine comforting voices.
I was just thinking of this revolver the other day, so beautiful i love it. The right side swing out.
Great presentation as always, thank you kindly!
I’ve been waiting for this one since the re-releases starting coming out. Yay!
What the- where’s the lever?
And the long barrel?
And the stock?
You’ve lost your way, Martini&rsenal.
We finally ran out of martinis on hand.
@@maewinchester2030giving the All Bergman Show a run for its money 😂
Can't wait for the Enfield-Martini Mark IX (7.62x54R) and Mark X (7.62 NATO) episodes
What are you talking about? I thought this was the .32 ACP pocket pistol channel?!
I’ve been waiting for this for years
I agree with othais on. Bead or circular front sight for fast aquistion and combat effective accuracy at high speeds under stress. Great discussion all around thanks for sharing the updates and clairifcations on origins of the internal work!
Been waiting for this remake ❤
Extremely informative, thanks 👍
I cant wait for yall to start producing books on the evolution of small arms
I love the use of the star nomenclature for the video's numbering. If there's ever a complete reworking of an older show that had virtually all its "facts" superseded, re-evaluated, or merely corrected...I wonder if we'd then get a "Mk II" notation? 🤔😁
Gotta love these redo episodes. Really highlights how great the channel has become.
So glad you are revisiting this unsung classic
Another amazing episode and I yearned for remake
I appreciate your use of phonetic punctuation in the description of the Danish revolver. Victor Borge would approve.
A great redo episode. So much detail to digest.
On the sighting tests. Yes I'm bored, a quick search finds. Kel-tec make a 22 competition with a very long Picatinny rail.
A new Primer? And its a pistol? Yes please and thank you!!
Amazing Video !
"Thank you for watching, and I hope you had a good time" - Yes, I did.
The kind of detailed and well-researched vid that RUclips was made for.
Othias and Mae are my very favourite - I don't want to say 'content providers', because I feel that cheapens what is clearly a labour of love ...
Let's just say that I really enjoy and appreciate their videos.
PS. - When are you going to actually get around to covering do the Colt 1911? - Huh? - Teasing only goes so far.
Then I'll start bitching that you haven't done the 1935 Browning Hi-Power ...
Love these WW1 revolvers! Hard to choose between this 1892 and the Rast & Gasser as my favorite.
Just when people thought they were getting close to a 1911 episode.
Excellent video as always, and great to see a rework of your earlier work.
I buy my Balistol in 1 gallon tins as I use that much of it and I have way fewer firearms...
What a gorgeous gun
I miss the continued quest for 8mm Ordinance excellent
"Oh that's stiff!" - that's what she said!
I watched original release literally yesterday and thought this really could use a doover. I guess a meteor must have been falling nearby at the time.
Please continue doing remakes! I need to mentally prepare myself every time before I see those glasses
placing one of these under a comically large box to catch Ian
Perfect video to realx to!
One would think that, by the end of the 19th century, the French small-bore revolver cartridge would move a bullet quickly enough to equal .32-20 loads. That should have been sufficient to start an enterprising officer on the road to a fine Fricassée de Lapin Dijonnaise.
I've been hoping this one would eventually get an update!
How the French could be so revolutionary with the Lebel, the Chamelot Delvigne, and the propellants...but miss the mark with cartridge design with the funky double angled Gras cartridge necked down to the 8mm and the 11mm Pistol cartridge evolving into the 8mm ordnance is beyond me. Their inability to fathom the math of 11mm into 8mm deserves its own episode.
The 8mn Lebel of getting a good enough cartridge now instead of a good cartridge later
In the case of the rifle, rush. A new Minister of war arrives to office and said that he want a rifle using the new, smokeless powder on his desk in 6 months time.
The Lebel rifle it´a a mixture fo the Gras of the army and the Kropatchaks of the Marine Nationale, The cartidge was directly derived from the Gras. It was the best that can be done in such a hurry
Welcome to France, a country that usually lead or at the very least keep up technologically speaking but will always (and I do mean always) have someone in power screwing with it.
Innovation is often paired with arbitrary deadlines.
@@Edax_Royeaux It's what it is.
There seems to be a lot said of the relatively weak cartridge being a big downside of the French 1892 here and the original vid. Odd though such comments are not so strong on the many 32 ACP automatics reviewed. Yet they are about the same power. Great video and very informative. Was hoping one day you would redo the original vid. Will have to take mine out this weekend.
When you look at guns from the same period, civilian or military, especially in Europe, it doesn't look particularly weak. The ammo weakness and the cylinder popping out the "wrong way" are two quasi-cliches each time this gun is mentioned. Again, as O. pointed out, when they added the cylinder swing-out, only the Cokt had that feature. It wasn't yet a de facto design standard. I think it made sense to swing on the right because people were then used to load with loading gates on the right, the right hand being the most agile for 90% of people. I think the 1892 had such a long service well beyond WW1 that it gets compared to modern guns, and objectively superior, like the Luger and 1911, or to the mature forms of the revolver that came later when design convergence took place.
With the Modele 1892 getting a new video, I wonder if the MAS 1873 will be revisited as well once more...
Thank-you
The Browning Buckmark has a couple versions with a full length top rail, that might be good for that sight test
This is the same Revolver we use in amnesia The Bunker, lack of fire power to stop the monster, but it can do the job
I know this is an older episode, but the Heritage Manufacturing RR22B6-TH Tactical Cowboy revolver has a perfect picatinny rail setup for that sighting test that you proposed at 1:22:19. It's a dirt cheap .22, so easy and inexpensive to put that test together with if you actually want to try it.
Feed the rhythm of the alligator! And excellent work
Le Duel : La Horse vs. Le Helicopter with French 1892 revolvers . En Garde !
You know that sight discussion is very intriguing. Perhaps you could gather some compatriots and test a sample of people with various levels of experience and see how the deal with the different sight designs. Perhaps you could get Ian and do something akin to Project litening. That’d be neat!
Beautiful finish - let me guess, it belonged to a staff officer who retired shorty after being issued/purchasing it, one who retired a few years later and put it in a drawer.
That damn heavy spring - perhaps it's simply the wrong spring, a replacement.
Horse helicopter hot takes had me dying.😂
'He died as he lived -- like a subaltern.'
No wonder the French loved the Ruby so much 32acp wasn't much of a compromise in ballistics by comparison
Re horses a major reason for supply cartiers, muleteers and particularly Artillery soldiers to have revolvers especially slow big bore like the Reich revolver were to "put down" injured animals
The 8mm French cartridge is anemic but the US had just adopted the 38 LC in 1892 and it was around the same power so at the time it would have been seen as contemporary. However considering that US Army soldiers complained about the lack of power 38 LC had im not surprised French soldiers complained about the 8mm cartridge.
The initial .38 LC load adopted by the US military had around 36% more muzzle energy than the smokeless loading of 8mm French
Was half expecting an Ian cameo. By which I mean I expected him to throw one of them in a burlap sack(probably Mae) and steal their place so as to affirm the greatness of French firearms.
Ooh La La it's French, where's Ian.
Thank the Gods for Smith and Wesson.
Oui oui, le modèle 1892, hon hon hon ! I have one my grandfather left me. The action is like clockwork, it functions perfectly and is a very nice shooter, although it's difficult to locate ammo for it..I have some "8 Lebel" from Fiocchi and some reloads made from .32-20 cases - as well as an original box of "25 Cartouches pour Revolver 8 m/m" of French production.
I have one as well, dated 1901. It's easy to load for using trimmed .32-20 cases, once you find the correct Lyman bullet. You can step it up a bit, but not by much without the groups opening up. Once you figure out the odd sight picture, they tend to be very nice shooters and quite accurate.
@@jballew2239 Outstanding! Thanks a bunch. I see there's a video on prepping the .32-20 cases. I have a .32-20 revolver as well.
@@foreign_affairs For a time, the easiest way to "size" the .32-20 cases was to simply fire the .32-20's out of the 1892. (Back when one could easily find .32-20!) Sometimes I had to dress the ends of the projectiles, depending on the load to ensure the cylinder would rotate, but the end result was a ready to trim case.
With the blue’d gunmetal?
Whoever shot those horses with the 11mm and 8mm in that test better have gotten himself a Gasser. Because if anyone was to be attacked by a horse with a knife, it’d be him.
Why shoot the horse (theres no work to be done), poo diaper?
@@bunk95 you shoot the horse to test if the gun *could* kill a horse.
It is good they did test it, otherwise the French army would have been armed with a pistol that could not dispatch a horse.
Which is a problem, especially when, in myriad of military situations where a horse may become fatally wounded, you would have no way to put it down and end its suffering.
43:00 As you say, the cavalry's needs have a high priority here. Those square studs may keep the cylinder from oscillating back and forth when on horseback, especially when moving at a trot. This may reduce wear and tear on the hand and the Abige gate spring. Does this sound plausible?
I wish I could like a video more than once
Perhaps the 4th best revolver of the war. After the colts, smiths and webleys of course. What compares to this? Perhaps the Japanese revolver. Time for a top 10!
I’d put the Rast & Gasser 1898 in 5th, many cool features except for that gate (but at least it’s an Abadie)
@@Kar-wm5on you wouldn't consider the Japanese type 26 for 5th? Compact DAO, low velocity 9mm with a top break? The only big issue I can see with it is the lack of a cylinder stop. It's basically the Enfield No2 we have at home.
1:22:39 for the top rail handgun, while kinda, out there, there is the kel tec p50 with a top rail.
Where did you find ammo for this weapon? I had a revolver like that but couldn't find bullets for it.
Deja vu!
“When things went wrong it was usually about a horse, today it’s an osprey”. Please tell more if the military uses of ospreys??? They’re magestic birds but I had no idea they were badass killing machines?
Othias - the little cello intro to each episode - is it Elgar?
KelTec's CP33 is a "flat top" pistol.
Off topic? I use Ballistol on my leather gloves, and Some boots and belts. I Found It First! most black powder shooters love this stuff Long Time?
You! New Beez! doubled our Price! But I still LOVE IT! nice if they could produce a little more, and keep us old customers in mind. I would Hate to try the competitors out of need or know.
"Rather Leisurely" ouch.
It took the French a century to adopt a truly amazing revolver and it was based on a k frame
Could you imagine going back to the 1890s and trading some french officer a MR73 for his 1892?
@@CenlaSelfDefenseConceptsImagine his disappointment when you tell him that he's stuck shooting 38 Long Colt until 1899 and 38 Special until 1935
@@hailexiao2770 I don't think he would mind lol those cartridges were contemporary for the time.
Are those 73 Chamelot Delvignes' ifiring pins replaceable or monolithic to the hammer?
YES!!!! MORE OBSCURE REVOLVERS!!! :D
Yessss
Neat
Number 17!
💙🤍❤️
U22 Neos by Beretta has a straight top rail