2023 Innova Blue Ridge Championships - MPO Round 1 Part 2 - Gurthie, Koling, Wysocki, Heimburg
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I'm biased, as someone who learned to play disc golf in the woods of New England, but this is my favorite course that I've seen on tour so far this year. Could stand to tone back on the artificial OB, especially on the wooded holes, but the setting is top notch and as a viewer I enjoy watching demanding-yet-fair courses that will punish you over watching birdie sprints.
I'm sure this course is far less fun to play than it is to watch but I hope the Tour continues to come back here and iterate on the course as feedback comes in.
I was there for collegiate nationals last weekend, and it is actually a blast to play (as long as you don’t worry too much about your score lol). It is very demanding distance-wise but if you have it there’s some great shots. The only really bad thing about the course are the trees directly off the tee on 5 and 18. They don’t add anything to the holes other than making the tee shot really awkward. If the tees were just 20 feet back on either hole it would keep the difficulty without making you throw off the very corner of the tee with awkward footing.
Totally agree. I loved watching this course.
I completely agree! All the way through to hole 15 I was thinking "this is my new favorite course on tour and it needs to be an elite series event". BUT then the last holes got ridiculous. I actually liked the artificial OB on the rest of the course. It added difficulty and was fun to watch but wasn't absurd. The last holes, however, were just silly.
100% agree.
This course is so fun to watch, this is the future of discgolf, it doesn't have to be this scenic as beautiful as this course, finally a course with risk reward and tough green play, the most boring discgolf are these golf courses course style courses, music city, preserve, OTB, Joansboro
Love this course. It demands so many different shots and provides very entertaining content. Best course I’ve seen on tour this year.
It's friggin Sunday, hurry the freak up with round 2 yall.... can't even watch round 2 before the tournament is over. Chop chop yall sheesh
This course looks ridiculously tough.
This content is ridiculously great!
Beautiful course and super fun to watch! Love all the unique holes and challenges.
I've played this course (badly). Very fun without the artificial OB on the woods lines.
Watching the best players in the world play chip shots off the tee and layups is … boring. It’s not the the course is hard, it’s that they made the course hard using OB that arbitrarily punished shots. It’s a shame because that kind of course, that shows beautifully on film and forces shots shaping is something that’s really nice to see on the tour.
I agree, it's boring and frustrating to watch. I have no idea why disc golf is going in this direction. Cale Leviska at The Preserve is one of the few that has taken a stand against it. We need a lot more of that.
@@garyadams4689 Well, this course was designed by Andrew Duvall, who designs Winthrop Gold for USDGC each year. That's the influence we are seeing here, I just don't think it fits well or is necessary on this property.
The Pro Tour is still trying to figure out how to optimize for spectators, live video and interesting, challenging courses. I hope they eventually get it right, but that's the main reason we are seeing so much OB on tour, because it challenges the pros while allowing clear sight lines for lots of spectators.
Cool course but the OB is ridiculous! Way too much artificial OB with some of it way too close to the basket.
These are the best players in the world.
There's a lot to like about this course. I love courses that demand lots of different throws, with a combo of distance and accuracy. But some of the OB is just stupid.
A lot of the OB on this course is super overkill other that that its good
i LOVE this course. the tour needs more of stuff like this. some OB lines and the like can be adjusted (i prefer to watch pros scramble on courses like this) but by and large it's amazing
This is absolutely what there needs to be more of on tour. It's closer to what the rest of us play daily or in the smaller tournaments. Please do more of this.
Couldn’t agree more, to many soft boys in the comments on these videos
yea sick and tired of seeing wide open ball golf courses ... this is nice and technical the way disc golf should be
Bad basket placements, too much ob but cource looks nice
I dont see how this matches with the regular disc golf experience. We don't typically play courses with OB inside the circle on half the greens or weirdly shaped fairways defined completely by OB that then proceed to a drop zone at the end of the landing area.
Love the woods, love the moutains. I think the OB ends up making for weird disc golf.
@@bensalemi7783 indeed way too much man-made Ob is garbage for disc golf....... some of the pro tour courses that they play the, amount of man-made Ob is so ridiculous I want to see them start playing courses like this again
I played this course last year and this year for the college national championship. I think the OB needs changed/relaxed in some areas for singles play. It works so well for the college team format because you can play safe and aggressive on every shot. Really lets this course shine tbh. But some holes like 5 just become too easy double bogeys off good shots that just go OB early and never come back. Small tweaks could make this course on the the best on the planet in my opinion
Let the woods be natural ob. Kinda odd to not let the players scramble
Love the extreme difficulty! These are the best players in the world, make them play the toughest layouts in the world.
100% agree. Make it an elite series next year.
Thank you, to many soft boys in the comments
Simple Pleasures disc golf, which is only 30 min from here, is Def no walk in the park if your ever in the area!
So sick of the wide open ball golf courses. THIS is disc golf. Thanks for the coverage.
This was 10x more enjoyable to watch than the standard wide open courses. I'd say this and reduce the OB difficulty by about 20% and it'd be perfect.
I've played Boulders course and think it absolutely deserves to be in the UDisc Top 100... the OB and the application of OB rules feels pretty gimmicky here, there doesn't seem to be a lot of logic to when you go to a drop zone, when you have to re-throw etc. In a lot of ways I'd like it more if the OB was generally "play it where it goes out" OB, but the counter argument is that skying a shot over a tight green and landing 70' away, then getting a par putt from 25' because you crossed the green's airspace cheapens the idea of the tight green. Lol they need a special rule where hitting the ground in bounds gets you the close putt but airspace doesn't... but mostly I want how you play after the OB to feel consistent and logical. I think the course works best when the devastation it brings to scorecards is from the elevation, river, & natural feature OB, less a fan of "flags in a field" OB. There is value in having courses where par is hard, and the hot round is -7 instead of -15
I like technical. I don’t like holes where luck is a factor. I want to see shot shaping.
Beautiful course, but definitely a lot of unnecessary ob. This place has the ability for the landscape and basket placement itself to make the course challenging, without the need for made up ob lines
how the HELL is this not an elite series stop? this course is amazing. they went a little crazy with the ob lines but the holes are beautiful
Personally, I think that the course designer went overboard with the OB lines. It's ridiculous at times, and makes the course a bit of a joke, in my opinion. Some of the OB is just plain stupid. They also could have let the woods be a natural OB, penalizing the player with a difficult scramble. Course is absolutely gorgeous, but the excessive OB ruins it.
@@DiscGolfAceRunner With all due respect, you'll note that I clearly said "In my opinion". Nate asked for our opinions on the OB, and I responded. Clearly Nate saw some issues with it and probably heard grumblings from the pro field, which prompted him to ask. If you were to state your opinion, I would respect that, not make a snyd comment. And BTW, we're all "average Joe's" compared to the top touring pros.
Yes, I like seeing the pros work/struggle even. The tough courses are my faves to watch.
beautiful and picturesque course. Greens are challenging enough without ob being inside of bulls eye. There was really no need for such a cruel design. Designed by grandpa yelling at kids to get off his lawn!
Yesssss... can see him shaking his disc retriever at them! 😂
Hole 16 is a great hole, but has a stupidly elevated basket and terrible OB. Remove the OB completely and put the basket at a normal height!
I love this course! For 1 it’s absolutely beautiful, for 2 it’s actually gives these Pros a real challenge. It’s like North Wood Golds but almost harder. The big boomer courses are great and all but it’s not much of a challenge. You also have to have a STRONG mindset to play here!
Good to see these guys play some east coat mountain terrain.Makes them look human. Thanks For the camera work central. 🤟🏾
The course is beautiful but the OB is excessive. You don't need that much OB on a wooded course with natural water OB. It's not for safety, and too many drop zones rob us/players of interesting scramble opportunities. I don't mind obstructions in the circle, but I don't like OB in the circle. Then some holes have a super punishing lack of DZ. Oh and all the elevated baskets are also completely unnecessary.
Love the course but I'm not a fan of artificial OB.
This is the type of course we need to see more of! I feel like this is where “skill” really shines. Doesn’t necessarily matter if you can throw the farthest
I agree my new favorite course on tour EXCEPT the stupid OB. There are a lot of times that the OB is just dumb. Hole 10 for example. Under no circumstances should OB make the circle so much smaller and punish good shots. Jerm had a bad round but at least 4-5 shots he was punished for a shot 1-2 feet away from being inbounds . Let’s the hills and water and trees dictate the landings , but there’s no need to have unlucky rollaways now go OB and punish the player further when they already lost a stroke. The rocks on hole 1 are a great example. No need to have OB at all there .
Calvin is on fire right now. Fro calvin is on another level
I think it’s a cool course but some of the OB is a bit overkill. Also not sure how 18 isn’t a par 5…
If they toned back the OB a little on a few holes, this course would be a staple. With that OB being so unforgiving, it takes a little from veiwing pleasure sometimes.
I probably would like to see more mandos on courses like these instead of somewhat ridicolous close OB lines.
Very fun course to watch these guys throw on, but they need to relax on some of the OB. Like with 18, there's no need for an OB line around the island.
Yea sorry I was trying to be optimistic but once I saw the 18th green was stringed off with OB I give up. This course is too mean😂.
I prefer no OB lines. Nature can be its own OB and make players come up with creative ways to get out :)
😢😢😢 no one cares
Big Jerm being the smart veteran asking to tap in early on 12 to not have his disc break free from the last 2 putts and roll down the hill.
The pro tour is moving more and more towards this luck-based, ob strewn course set up. I want to see players scramble, make long putts, and redeem themselves on holes. This course doesn't allow for any of that and feels like luck is such a big factor.
What parts of this course do you feel are luck based?
I think courses like this are fun. These are supposed to be the best players in the world. They should be able to score on this course and the good players have.
Agreed. I get bored of just seeing big open bomber holes over and over. Courses like this, with technical complexity, that require unusual shot shapes, risky putts = more exciting disc golf.
Nate you asked! So, hear it is in a nutshell. When I get my first million to buy property and build a course, and seek council from professional course designers, Duval will not be on that list!
Give me a shout! I'm a landscaper and disc golfer who lives on a course 30 min from north cove and they never even tried to offer any help with design or install
I could do without all of the artificial OB but the course is amazing! Looks like something out of Disc Golf Valley!
Hole 16 is terrible! Smallest island ever and a raised basket?
One of the best courses I’ve ever seen but the OB was outrageous on a lot of these holes.
This should be an elite series stop. This is the sort of course that should be expected. Exciting for everyone
And ridiculous basket placements
I think the artificial OB plus mandatory drop zones on some greens are too harsh. If you want a tiny green then let them take it from where they went out of bounds. If they miss the island the drop zone can be used.
I like the tight lines and tight gaps when they are the birdie or eagle options, along with a more open par option, so players can pick the holes they can/want to score on. I do like the tight greens, it feels very pro-level. That being said the OB lines on this particular course are particularly punitive and favor the lucky, not the skilled. Natural tight greens are better than artificially tight greens.
Beautiful course, horrible OB
To answer the question on hole 17. Yes I love it. I wanna see the best players in the world reduced to mear mortals. Helps me feel better about my game 😂
Beautiful course but too much OB.
Wow. Calvin just rocks. Keep it going buddy. 2023 seems to be your year. :)
I like the technical courses. I do think having drop zones define your round is kind of brutal. Maybe if they let you putt from hazard it would allow good shots that barely go out of bounds to get par and bad shots to still have to work for it. I know they are trying for score separation, but good lord, some of the drop zones made no sense. I would rather let the course design define someone's round. Tight OB is one thing random variables is another.
The course is beautiful, but I would not want to play it. It looks like a nightmare. There's a hard course, then there's just mean, and I think this one is mean.
I was interested in seeing how this course would play for the pros after playing it for college nationals. I think a lot of these holes are perfectly designed for the doubles format of CDG but end up being pretty goofy for singles. I would love to see a lot of the OB pushed back or even removed in spots to actually allow players to scramble instead of just going to a pointless drop zone. Also hole 18 sucks lol
The sky opening up and pouring on Big Jerm on hole 18 as he finishes up a disappointing round on the course he got married on has to be one of the most Charlie Brown moments in disc golf history
Too much OB though
Go cry😢😢😢😢😂
Disc golf should be an obsession, not an OB session
Less OB and this course would be really cool
Making golf hard is a, crime?
@@DiscGolfAceRunner no woods golf with natural ob is ideal. This course has tons of rivers and great holes but having people lay up for par on the last 2 holes because the island is smaller than the circle is not good golf to watch.
Nate, this is the best disc golf type course to watch, beautiful course unreal! Now to play, it looks brutal lol but this is what disc golf should be!
really beautiful course, nobody commented on the magical bug/frog sounds on that one hole on back 9. I guess the course designers don't wanna make it too easy but Im def not a fan of lots of tight ob. At the end of the day If a few players show that it is possible then I suppose the course designers have made their point.
I got my first ace today, 235ft par 3 at clute park hole #7.
Doubt it, prove it
Looks amazing!
I agree with you and the players about some of those mandatory drop zones and the tight OB. They should make the changes. I remember the first time I watched the USDGC I was confused by all the artificial OB. It wasn't that fun to watch half the players throw out of bounds with little roped off areas everywhere. This course has few holes like that too, but the incredible layout and natural beauty is great fun to watch.
This is really great. I love the fast pace of this and the commentary is excellent, with no silly stuff. I loved watching Nate Perkins play, however his commentary is fantastic.
Couldnt agree more, no real offense to Jerm and those guys on the Jomez commentary but this is how commentary is done guys.
As a fan... Watching the pros play this course is a treat. Especially after the music city open that was just a bunch of open field shots.
I love this course, mostly. Some of the OB is too tight probably. Imagine playing this on a windy wet day. 😢
Head up Jeremy. One shot at a time. Beautiful looking course to play. Looks extremely demanding to keep it in play. Calvin was on god mode.
This course looks amazing 😍
Ob is tight, but these are very good players, so it's good to see them be tested at a high level.
This isn't a casual round with mates they're playing in.
Great course, good to see the world's best players challenged.
freaking love watching tough courses get played
Finally,some pros are shooting -4, -5 under and some are shooting +7, +8 over !!! Now that's a golf course !!!!
This course is so fun to watch.
This is a true disc golf course. Unique at every hole. Challenging for the players. Makes them work..but the holes are interesting.
Amazing course. This is disc golf
I gotta stop watching only Jomez 👀 This coverage and course are 🤤🤤
@29:00 YES, this course is SUPER cool. Tight technical lines, you're punished if you're not careful, but can also earn HUGE rewards if you decide gamble and go BIG. I LOVE IT. More courses like this is definitely needed. It really challenges the players and it's not just who has the "biggest arm". I'd rather watch technical shots any day over the typical distance contest we usually see.
Good course overall, but two main issues for spectating:
1) WAAAYYYY too much artificial OB. No idea why a course designer looks at incredibly thick woods and sees the need for an OB line. The woods alone punish the players. Hell, if you go deep enough somehow, you might need two strokes to get out, making it worse than artificial OB. Artificial OB sucks in general (I know it's necessary on some courses, but DEFINITELY not this one)
2) Some of the greens encourage really boring "layup for easy par" plays. Nobody wants to watch a pro toss an easy 280 ft hyzer, followed by a 120 ft chip, followed by a 5 ft tap in. You need to balance difficulty and punishment, and the problem with this course is that too many of the holes are really difficult and also really punishing, so the pros just play them for boring pars, which is fair enough on their part.
Overall, it's still enjoyable to watch, and has a ton of potential, but it needs some changes. Also, raised baskets suck.
I enjoy watching/playing difficult courses but I think some OB's are too much. OB, in my opinion, should never be in C1. Also I prefer natural OB to OB and I believe they could of left some of those lines alone.
I'm not a fan of all the OB. It just seems arbitrarily punitive, especially with all the random rock kicks the players can get
What a cool course to see the pros playing! That's some fun disc golf!
Great coverage and good commentary. Looking forward to watching Mr. Robinson and Doctor Proctor on coverage. Conner is a natural on the mic. Nate has improved.
You asked for feedback so: This is one of the best watches of the year. What a course! Sure, maybe tweak a bit of the stakes and strings, but the natural setting and some of the natural OB around the greens is both beautiful and mandates a risk/reward calculus on far more shots than the average tour stop. What a watch. More of this, please, DGPT.
I love watching this course! it's a great combination of tight woods golf and punishing OB. The OB lines seem natural, not contrived like on many long golf courses. The drop zones are a great way to let players play very aggressively without being heavily punished for it. Highly challenging, obviously, but this feels like a challenging pro-level course.
To answer the question posed on commentary, I love watching the pros play really tough wooded courses like this with tight OB lines and a great variety of lines required. The pin placements were really tough too, which is great because you see the best in the world have to choose to go for it or lay up. I would say the island greens could do without the OB lines though. This course is my favorite course to watch so far this year. Absolutely gorgeous, great layout, and very interesting greens.
This has been my favorite course to watch for a few reasons. First, I just haven't seen it before, so it's fun to see a course for the first time. Second, it's extremely picturesque, more so than most courses on the tour. Third, it seems like one of if not the most challenging course on the tour, and I love seeing pros try to meet that challenge. Maybe a bit of the OB can be a bit relaxed, but overall the OB lines just follow some sort of paved path or water, so it wasn't unclear where in bounds was while watching (and presumably while playing. Making sure watchers and players can recognize where inbounds is at all times is tricky and often not accomplished by other OB heavy course such as USDGC and the first OTB Open. Maybe some of the OB around the circle could be a tad relaxed, and some dropzones moved toward the pin more, but I think being more aggressive and then relaxing it for next year better than being more relaxed and then getting more aggressive next year with the OB.
So Big Jerm looked like the embodiment of the logo pushing the trees on 16. Very Squachy energy after a big putt.
It's a really hard course. I watched some college nationals and decided Boulders was the easiest. My older and noodly self shot even on the back 9 and felt like a champ.
Honestly, I will use hole 17 as an example. To me, the small green on a 445 ft hole is not really reasonable. I can’t remember where exactly the drop zone would be on that one if there is one, but many holes had such punishing drop zones. In fact, as far as OB goes, this course setup is much worse than ball golf imo. I don’t like to watch pro players en masse playing safe pitch ins on par 3’s because they are afraid of OB. Also, the small landing areas just bring luck into the equation way to much imo.
Kudos to Calvin for giving it power on 17 and trying to get it to the basket and then running the putt after having a hazard stroke! I love seeing stuff like this in Disc Golf. Players with balls that go for and run shots that most people don’t typically go for!!!
Really like the course design, the tight OBs are brutal but as a viewer, unlike on some courses, it’s for the most part crystal clear what’s in and what’s out. Normalize par disc golf!
I'm from Michigan, now living in Rhode Island. Personally I like tight technical course that weave through the woods, that have some big holes that allow you to disc up and go full power. Guardian trees making access to the green more challenging is entertaining, ad if you make the gap you should be rewarded with an unobstructed putt.
I much much prefer a course like this with high difficulty over majority of the courses on tour. Really enjoyed watching this one!
This course proves the point that you must have watched the course video before registering for a competition taking place there. I would never compete on such a course due to its awful design. Authentic video of course should be mandatory rule of PDGA before event registration starts. It wasn't even windy day.
I abosulelty love it. Best course they played all year. We need more depth and challenge when it comes to scoring. Yes you can tinker with some of the OBs but I love it. Jeremy is just terrible at disc golf.
I really enjoyed this course. Maybe a little much on the man-made OB, but other than that I liked it. I would always prefer more natural courses, opposed trying to use ball golf courses. I would be in favor of not using ball golf courses on tour at all.
I like the course but I don't like the tight OB everywhere. I feel the course is punishing enough. Free the players up to go for it.
It's fun watching the super tough courses. I do think a few of the DZ rules are silly, esp hole 16. Calvin threw a pretty perfect drive there and got punished hard.
I love watching this course. More of this and less birdie-fest courses in my opinion. This is a far greater viewer experience and that hazard makes it exciting as someone could loose a lead rather quick as we seen here with Calvin. A bit less artificial OB would make sense though
this is my new favorite course that I've never played xD bucket list travel round. I'll ignore all OB that isn't water and throw +27 but I will love it all the same
There are too much arbitrary OB It needs to be natural OB and tight shots shaping through the woods like we all do around this country playing disc golf on a ball golf course with OB everywhere no trees in sight Yes it's amazing to see people throw 500 ft or farther but there's nothing cooler than seeing a disc fly past 25 trees and park the basket
The tour definitely needs more courses like this. There should be a good balance of ball golf type courses and shorter more technical courses like this. I don’t want to do away with ball golf courses, as it can be really fun watching the big arms duke it out. But these courses highlight the technical skill of the touring player. Also it’s nice seeing them play on courses the more akin to those the average player is playing on.
This course would be the end of my disc golf career. And probably marriage.
Been following pro DG since the pandemic. This is by far the best and most compelling course. Wish all were like this one