Thanks for covering the silver series! With them being 50% points they are twice as important as before and we get to see some more faces on coverage which is cool.
I'm a professional videographer/photographer doing commercial work mostly. I do a lot of drone work for my business. I have to commend you on your excellent drone work for this coverage! There are a ton of disc golf coverage media companies out there, and most hole previews are almost unwatchable they are so bad. A great hole flyover is one that you aren't being distracted by the jerky movements of the drone, but are focused on the beauty of the course and what challenges the hole has to offer. In other words... buttery smooth! Excellent work Central Coast! Disc Golf!
I have no idea what the comments on this video are talking about, this has to be one of the coolest designed courses I've ever seen! Tight OB lines makes players have to take their previous scores into account when calculating risks, pure excitement seeing these guys play it out.
since the refusal of jomez to revert the scoring system, you guys are smashing it and my new favourite. the commentators you have on are such a cozy vibe. love it
I thought at first that the ob was too much and the course should use the natural ob, but after watching, my mind has changed. This is a great way to make the game more challenging for the elite players, which is one thing a lot of people felt should happen. Makes the players really think about their shots and disc selections before throwing. Loved this tournament, and thanks for the coverage.
Paavo Stamstad did an excellent job filling in for Perkins. He might even be better. The String Bean takes down another one with a -9 final round, thus earning half his under par scores in one round. Congrats to Bradley for playing an even round, really minimizing his mistakes. A couple of more putts in the basket would have helped win it. Kyle had an uneven afternoon and some unlucky breaks.
Grats to the winnner GB. Bradley coming out and showing up for a course like this just feels so awesome. We saw a new facec of Thompson and Kyle also killing it. Just some unlucky breaks.
GREAT course… finally some challenging course design on disc golf coversge to give some different shots and unpredictable situations, strategy and results 🤙🏾☀️🚀 This should be a pro tour course
If this keeps up, all the channels are going to need to figure out a new way to present next-day coverage of the final round! Gatekeeper’s been kind enough to loan Jomez some chase card coverage, but that’s only a start.
Calvin smashed Texas state from lead card on the silver series so it hasn't been 4 in a row but yeah 4 out of 5 is pretty crazy. Gatekeeper media is probably loving it lol.
@@erakfishfishfish IMO, jomez needs to just buy the rights to do post produced with DGN's footage. They could cover the best shots and players on day 1, and cover whoever's in contention days 2 and 3. There would be more of an editing burden on the team, but if they didn't have to shoot coverage, it would free them up to dedicate more resources towards editing. Jomez's camera people would be out of a job... for like five minutes, as the most seasoned camera crew in the DG biz
@@boryancrum2196 The only problem with that is that the camera work (angles, lines, zoom, focus) is so poor on DGN coverage. Maybe you don't notice but I think most people do.
Didn’t even realize this was the final till the end of the video. Usually they got three rounds then the final b9 and f9 video. Great video and coverage tho!
Great course, good coverage! Suggestion: time the ads so they don't go off in the middle of a throw. Would be much more seamless to have them between holes!
19:40 that’s an Aviar X3?!?! He released it with so much hyzer! Either his X3 has a much different stability or his power is off the charts because mine is old reliable… always has nice fade at the end.
I believe he throws dx aviar x3s.. very straight disc once beat with some natural stability. the big jerm star aviar x3s are frickin meat hooks in comparison
How is no one going to mention Bradley would have won if not for that monsoon. They should have delayed play for that. How can you delay play for lightning but not for that. It goes hand in hand
Gannon had one stroke lead before hole 18. Birdie would have not been very likely, it was hardest hole in the course. And even then it would have been a playoff with Gannon and Bradley.
"Great birdie putt from...Hunter...sorry...Harper." I can see this happening in the future many times. Strangely in the beginning Harper looked like Calvin from behind and when he turned around he looked like Kyle. Flat color baby blue shirt. Not good for sports, especially if you are on video. Thanks for the coverage. Really beautiful course. The major improvement area for next year would be OB. It was like that Duvall designed USDGC bean shape hole all over again. Strange OB shapes scattered all over the fairway. OB could have been better marked in order to make it work on video.
This course has more natural beauty than 99% of courses in the world, and yet they decide to ruin it with random, arbitrary OB lines making it unnecessarily tight
Probably not. I feel like Bradley is a mature player and you've got world champions take an 11 on that hole. I get why they were sad he didn't run it but that hole can end your tournament so I can understand the layup for solo second.
The guy who designed one of the more iconic courses ever. USDGC Winthrop. I think they are looking at moving USDGC to this place. Its tough, but overall it's a great layout I think if it's a USDGC replacement/ Alternative. I'm not saying they shouldn't make some adjustments but it's forward thinking
@@prattacasterthe super good thing is most of the adjustments seem super easy to make. Just switch a couple things and make the OB line more logical and it would be perfect.
@@prattacaster Winthrop is the home of the Stupid Invisible Out Of Bounds Rope Line. Someone should take away the course designer's rope budget and tie his hands behind his back with it. There will be plenty of players shooting "dagger looks" at that guy for a while. Deservedly so.
@@marscruz Look, I'm not saying I think Winthrop is iconic, I just got in to disc golf 3 yrs ago. However, it is Iconic, the players still think it's Iconic and is arguably their most important tourney. He asked and I answered. Also, the players know where every single inch of OB is at Winthrop, don't kid yourself. In my opinion, there is too much OB on this course, I think around the greens it should play as hazard and do away with the drop zones. Overall as a course, you all would cream your pants to play at a place like this. Don't play the MPO course tho. There's a beginner and advanced course as well
@@prattacaster There are several unseeable OB lines at Winthrop. Go watch one whole round again and pay attention. Over a hill. Basket barely visible, rope lines invisible. The long one that starts next to the right-side hedge line. They also change a lot of the OB every year. You've been playing and watching for 3 years so now you're an expert? Dude, get over yourself. Winthrop is ICONIC because it's the BIGGEST PAYOUT.
How did they screw up such an amazing property. OB everywhere. 15' from the edge of a creek, OB 12' from a basket. OB long for no reason. OB in the trees for no reason. A complete lack of creativity IMO. If you land on the bank of a creek the footing is the hazard and will probably cost you a stroke anyway. Player goes OB 15' long of the basket, other player hits an early tree 250' from the basket. Both have to play from the same drop zone. So lame. OB so close to the baskets on mounds is even dumber.
Prodigy should hire a guy to shoot his tournament rounds. It will be his last year with them and they should try to make Bank on him while they still can.
If there was 1-2 cameras, should they stop filming lead card and show Gannon instead? Might be a contractual issue as well, but they may not have had extra cameras. Not everyone has the same resources that Jomez has these days. Silver series don't have the same focus as higher standard tournaments.
@@kimmomatikainen1843 After the Final round F9 the scores were Klein -17 , Buhr -16 , Williams -13 , Heimburg -13. Personally , at that point , in that situation i might look at scraping the catch-cam and just going with a shot-cam on lead card and a shot-cam on chase card. And then just edit to show the shots of the players in contention. Question: If after nine holes the ENTIRE lead card was 4 stokes back of Buhr and say Robinson , who were battling it out for the win on chase card , would you move one or both cameras to the chase card or leave them on lead card? At what point would you move a camera? or both cameras? I don’t know... What do you think?
He's talking about us players who identify with the pros because we have a similar body type. You think short guys don't identify with Emerson or Mason? Maybe you're just average size and shape so you don't get it. Tall guys have players they can identify with. Heavy guys too. It's called identity politics. Maybe you've heard of it before or maybe you're Rumpelstilskin.
This was expected now that field is getting better and better. it's not Paul and Ricky battle anymore. If first 4 cards are 3-5 shots apart, 4th card player has identical chance to win as 1st card player. They start the round from the same result. 2nd card players don't have the lead card pressure and 3rd card doesn't even have a camera pressure so basically they might have an advantage. Let's say leader is -20, 2nd is -18, 3rd is -16 and Gannon, Calvin or someone really good is on the 3rd card with result -15, it would not be a big surprise if Calvin or Gannon would play a hot round of -16 and wins. This is going to happen more and more often, almost inevitable. There used to be 2-5 people who won almost everything. Now there is 15-20 players who can win. Also course design on some courses don't have enough score separators. Too many holes have high % of birdies or pars so a lot of players get the same hole results and it means close scoring.
What a stupid course, more out-of-bounds than birdies. I like to cheer for success, but, this course is designed for failure. Stupid OB lines = negative entertainment value.
From the couch, I disliked nearly all the holes here but not necessarily because of all the ridiculous OB and hazards. Just a lot of bad ideas piled on top of one another. This is the kind of track and setup that makes people NOT want to play, I would think. Seems like an amazing property though, too bad. Footage was up to specs but the commentary was sleepy. Hey I just call it the way I see it. Where’s Ian?
Are you a call monitor? I actually wrote, “I call it like I see it”, not “I call it like it is” but at this point we’re just splitting hairs. Really, I just called to say, “I love you.”
Im sorry I know how good these guys are this course is just way too penal there is no way these guys love playing here. Needs a major overhaul IMO to keep a tour spot. Not fun!
I wouldn't say major, I'd think just turn some of the OB into hazard around the greens and do away with all the drop zones. This would save everyone a couple strokes a round and make it more enjoyable/ attackable and more fun to watch
@@DBLACKJACK70 I just don't think that there's any reason to be mad at enough at anything on the internet that you complain about it eight separate times
So Paavo is your camera guy? Hey man… please stop standing directly behind the basket when people are putting. Get to the side, get behind them, never be right behind the basket. There were multiple times you almost got hit by a missed putt. Document the game, don’t affect it.
Really enjoyed Connor’s commentary this tourney.
Thanks for covering the silver series! With them being 50% points they are twice as important as before and we get to see some more faces on coverage which is cool.
I'm a professional videographer/photographer doing commercial work mostly. I do a lot of drone work for my business. I have to commend you on your excellent drone work for this coverage! There are a ton of disc golf coverage media companies out there, and most hole previews are almost unwatchable they are so bad. A great hole flyover is one that you aren't being distracted by the jerky movements of the drone, but are focused on the beauty of the course and what challenges the hole has to offer. In other words... buttery smooth! Excellent work Central Coast! Disc Golf!
Unfortunate that a hurricane decided to happen right on the last hole with the win on the line.
Fortunate for Gannon 💯
@@Manhyzershot fair enough yea
Starts to make up for all the times lead card got less winds in the afternoon slot.
Hurricane Buhr
@@SATX_ 🥶 💪🏼
Also, the new announcer today was great. Definitely keep him around.
One of their camera men so definitely possible. Get him two checks😂
I have no idea what the comments on this video are talking about, this has to be one of the coolest designed courses I've ever seen! Tight OB lines makes players have to take their previous scores into account when calculating risks, pure excitement seeing these guys play it out.
Solid commentary! There were quiet pauses when there needed to be, and the commentary added some thing other than just complementing shots.
since the refusal of jomez to revert the scoring system, you guys are smashing it and my new favourite. the commentators you have on are such a cozy vibe. love it
Vinnie throwing that shot into the rocks on 13 was awesome to see happen, sorry you got the bogey, brother!
I thought at first that the ob was too much and the course should use the natural ob, but after watching, my mind has changed. This is a great way to make the game more challenging for the elite players, which is one thing a lot of people felt should happen. Makes the players really think about their shots and disc selections before throwing. Loved this tournament, and thanks for the coverage.
Pure Hyzer Productions back in the house! Paavo on the mic!
Pure Hyzer Productions. He's good with a camera and behind the mic.
@marscruz OMG sorry paavo! Editing original post.
@@turdferguson1945
I made the same mistake but decided to look it up. Had to edit my comment too. Paavo is the real deal. Excellent.
I absolutely love seeing the best of the best struggle. It makes me smile
Haters usually do love to see things like that, makes them not feel so bad about being so pathetic
@@soldieroftheway7979 don't think he meant it like that lol
Commentary was great once it got warmed up, thanks for the disc golf goodness.
No one sticks to their game tighter than Bradley. Love to see it.
Just beautiful, thanks for the great coverage!
Paavo Stamstad did an excellent job filling in for Perkins. He might even be better.
The String Bean takes down another one with a -9 final round, thus earning half his under par scores in one round. Congrats to Bradley for playing an even round, really minimizing his mistakes. A couple of more putts in the basket would have helped win it. Kyle had an uneven afternoon and some unlucky breaks.
Grats to the winnner GB. Bradley coming out and showing up for a course like this just feels so awesome. We saw a new facec of Thompson and Kyle also killing it. Just some unlucky breaks.
GREAT course… finally some challenging course design on disc golf coversge to give some different shots and unpredictable situations, strategy and results 🤙🏾☀️🚀
This should be a pro tour course
This is the craziest season so far. 4 wins from chase card. In the previous 3 years I don't think there have been 4 chase card wins COMBINED!
That NC mountain weather, is unpredictable 🌞⛈💨🌧!!
Yeah, it’s getting to that time of year where it rains like that for 20 minutes then it’s sunny again
As a fellow ATX I was hoping for a Bradley win. Oh well, 2nd place on this ridiculously tough course is still awesome.
Fantastic job on coverage through the whole tournament!
I was the only birdie on 18! Lol 1%!!
Really?! That's badass!
@@cross7305 yep!! I finished 73rd. I birdied 16, 17& 18 the final round to end the tourney!
@@elliottmccourry4859 what'd ya throw
@@xanderknock4317 overstable wraith offf the tee, guesstimated 380 to the pin. FD straightish hyzer shot and she was parked af. Tapped in my bird!
Man everyone is so fun to watch. But Calvin just always puts on a show even when he isnt winning.
2023 will forever be known as the Year of the Chase Card
Awesome round to watch!
Beautiful course. Asinine OB. At least it has one thing going for it, unlike Winthrop.
When not one, but two players on the card tagged that first tree on 13, I felt seen lol
Wow can't wait to watch the chase card coverage 4th victory in a row! Oh, wait
If this keeps up, all the channels are going to need to figure out a new way to present next-day coverage of the final round! Gatekeeper’s been kind enough to loan Jomez some chase card coverage, but that’s only a start.
Calvin smashed Texas state from lead card on the silver series so it hasn't been 4 in a row but yeah 4 out of 5 is pretty crazy. Gatekeeper media is probably loving it lol.
@@erakfishfishfish IMO, jomez needs to just buy the rights to do post produced with DGN's footage. They could cover the best shots and players on day 1, and cover whoever's in contention days 2 and 3. There would be more of an editing burden on the team, but if they didn't have to shoot coverage, it would free them up to dedicate more resources towards editing. Jomez's camera people would be out of a job... for like five minutes, as the most seasoned camera crew in the DG biz
@@boryancrum2196
The only problem with that is that the camera work (angles, lines, zoom, focus) is so poor on DGN coverage. Maybe you don't notice but I think most people do.
@@marscruz I don’t watch live 😬, I prefer post produced for the shorter runtime and more streamlined presentation
Didn’t even realize this was the final till the end of the video. Usually they got three rounds then the final b9 and f9 video. Great video and coverage tho!
awesome coverage!
That's crazy they have Seth Rogen commentating on this.
Great course, good coverage! Suggestion: time the ads so they don't go off in the middle of a throw. Would be much more seamless to have them between holes!
Did Vinnie's disc enter a plagued alternate rock dimension known as the Upside Down? @ 16:32
Heimburg is very consistent and is an extremely great player
19:40 that’s an Aviar X3?!?! He released it with so much hyzer! Either his X3 has a much different stability or his power is off the charts because mine is old reliable… always has nice fade at the end.
Power off the charts … he’s pretty good.
One option that he hit too many rocks on this course and it got too beaten and understable.
I believe he throws dx aviar x3s.. very straight disc once beat with some natural stability. the big jerm star aviar x3s are frickin meat hooks in comparison
Props to Seth Rogan for the commentary
How is no one going to mention Bradley would have won if not for that monsoon. They should have delayed play for that. How can you delay play for lightning but not for that. It goes hand in hand
Gannon had one stroke lead before hole 18. Birdie would have not been very likely, it was hardest hole in the course. And even then it would have been a playoff with Gannon and Bradley.
Design a par 3 that 100% of the field lay up on to secure a par
Excellent concept for excitement
Commentators are funny. Surprised Bradley made a smart decision on hole 18 on conditions. What did the commentators shoot out here?
"Great birdie putt from...Hunter...sorry...Harper."
I can see this happening in the future many times. Strangely in the beginning Harper looked like Calvin from behind and when he turned around he looked like Kyle.
Flat color baby blue shirt. Not good for sports, especially if you are on video.
Thanks for the coverage. Really beautiful course. The major improvement area for next year would be OB. It was like that Duvall designed USDGC bean shape hole all over again. Strange OB shapes scattered all over the fairway. OB could have been better marked in order to make it work on video.
Harper Thompson isn't as famous as Hunter S Thompson 😎
Cmon Bradley u gotta run that
If Gannon is on your chase card, don't feel safe!
This course has more natural beauty than 99% of courses in the world, and yet they decide to ruin it with random, arbitrary OB lines making it unnecessarily tight
Just like Winthrop, except for the beauty part.
Would he have gone for the birdie had it not rained?
Probably not. I feel like Bradley is a mature player and you've got world champions take an 11 on that hole. I get why they were sad he didn't run it but that hole can end your tournament so I can understand the layup for solo second.
Emerson Keith catching the strayest of flak lol.
My immediate thought at that part of the commentary was wondering what Emerson would do about that basket... commentators then validated that thought
If Heimburg and Klein would have a child, it would be Thompson
Who designed this gem?
The guy who designed one of the more iconic courses ever. USDGC Winthrop. I think they are looking at moving USDGC to this place. Its tough, but overall it's a great layout I think if it's a USDGC replacement/ Alternative. I'm not saying they shouldn't make some adjustments but it's forward thinking
@@prattacasterthe super good thing is most of the adjustments seem super easy to make. Just switch a couple things and make the OB line more logical and it would be perfect.
@@prattacaster
Winthrop is the home of the Stupid Invisible Out Of Bounds Rope Line. Someone should take away the course designer's rope budget and tie his hands behind his back with it. There will be plenty of players shooting "dagger looks" at that guy for a while. Deservedly so.
@@marscruz Look, I'm not saying I think Winthrop is iconic, I just got in to disc golf 3 yrs ago. However, it is Iconic, the players still think it's Iconic and is arguably their most important tourney. He asked and I answered. Also, the players know where every single inch of OB is at Winthrop, don't kid yourself.
In my opinion, there is too much OB on this course, I think around the greens it should play as hazard and do away with the drop zones. Overall as a course, you all would cream your pants to play at a place like this. Don't play the MPO course tho. There's a beginner and advanced course as well
@@prattacaster
There are several unseeable OB lines at Winthrop. Go watch one whole round again and pay attention. Over a hill. Basket barely visible, rope lines invisible. The long one that starts next to the right-side hedge line. They also change a lot of the OB every year. You've been playing and watching for 3 years so now you're an expert? Dude, get over yourself.
Winthrop is ICONIC because it's the BIGGEST PAYOUT.
Pink short shorts!
If Bradley didn't hold up on Hole 17, I think he would win.
How did they screw up such an amazing property. OB everywhere. 15' from the edge of a creek, OB 12' from a basket. OB long for no reason. OB in the trees for no reason. A complete lack of creativity IMO. If you land on the bank of a creek the footing is the hazard and will probably cost you a stroke anyway. Player goes OB 15' long of the basket, other player hits an early tree 250' from the basket. Both have to play from the same drop zone. So lame. OB so close to the baskets on mounds is even dumber.
STill laughing on the inside that Prodigy is losing their best player.
33:01 I was waiting for him to do that haha. NO one calls these.....
Wrap his gangly fingers?
"the trophy is mine, he-man." - skeletor
shouldnt have even had them play in the conditions for the last hole, laying up for bogeys with good shots
the OB lines were way too demanding.. cmon theyre humans not robots
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Cringe
Why not throw a camera on Buhr coming down the stretch? Are you contractually not allowed to?
Prodigy should hire a guy to shoot his tournament rounds. It will be his last year with them and they should try to make Bank on him while they still can.
If there was 1-2 cameras, should they stop filming lead card and show Gannon instead? Might be a contractual issue as well, but they may not have had extra cameras. Not everyone has the same resources that Jomez has these days. Silver series don't have the same focus as higher standard tournaments.
@@kimmomatikainen1843 After the Final round F9 the scores were Klein -17 , Buhr -16 , Williams -13 , Heimburg -13.
Personally , at that point , in that situation i might look at scraping the catch-cam and just going with a shot-cam on lead card and a shot-cam on chase card. And then just edit to show the shots of the players in contention.
Question: If after nine holes the ENTIRE lead card was 4 stokes back of Buhr and say Robinson , who were battling it out for the win on chase card , would you move one or both cameras to the chase card or leave them on lead card? At what point would you move a camera? or both cameras? I don’t know... What do you think?
fantastic work on the coverage guys! unpopular opinion: these chase card wins are getting really boring...
Kk should have won if the lightning delay never happened he would have.
If you’re looking for the hardest course ever then you’re on the right track
Everything was great except the poorly timed commercials.
I wonder how many putts hit the camera guy and get stopped short.
Go Gannon
Re:Innova Ad
Is it me, or is Dave Dunipace creepy?
(Asking for a friend)
He said..." Some you can match your likeness to, your body type."
What in the world is this guy talking about @ 40:11. Such a stupid thing to say 😂🤣
He's talking about us players who identify with the pros because we have a similar body type. You think short guys don't identify with Emerson or Mason? Maybe you're just average size and shape so you don't get it. Tall guys have players they can identify with. Heavy guys too. It's called identity politics. Maybe you've heard of it before or maybe you're Rumpelstilskin.
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Well that was one of the worst courses and tournaments ever.
Looking forward to next week.
Spoiler block comment
Well that was anticlimactic.
Travesty at the end.
Unplayable conditions
The landscape is so beautiful too bad it’s ruined by the layout there are a few decent holes but mostly garbage for tournament play
Cringe
Is the chase card on a different channel somewhere that I don’t know about? Someone point me there if so
Huh? Who won tho?
Lol cool name
the rain 😅
The course designer's ego.
Takes away from the excitement for sure
Dude, take a deep breath it's gonna be ok. No need to spam a video talking to yourself.
@@jamietigges2154 the true boomer using the RUclips comment section
Lay up, lay up. How disappointing.
4 times with no winner from lead card coverage 😮. Not that anyone can do anything about it, but it's starting to reduce the value of the coverage.
This was expected now that field is getting better and better. it's not Paul and Ricky battle anymore. If first 4 cards are 3-5 shots apart, 4th card player has identical chance to win as 1st card player. They start the round from the same result.
2nd card players don't have the lead card pressure and 3rd card doesn't even have a camera pressure so basically they might have an advantage.
Let's say leader is -20, 2nd is -18, 3rd is -16 and Gannon, Calvin or someone really good is on the 3rd card with result -15, it would not be a big surprise if Calvin or Gannon would play a hot round of -16 and wins.
This is going to happen more and more often, almost inevitable. There used to be 2-5 people who won almost everything. Now there is 15-20 players who can win. Also course design on some courses don't have enough score separators. Too many holes have high % of birdies or pars so a lot of players get the same hole results and it means close scoring.
What a stupid course, more out-of-bounds than birdies. I like to cheer for success, but, this course is designed for failure. Stupid OB lines = negative entertainment value.
Gotta be honest, I'm kinda sick of winners from chase card
From the couch, I disliked nearly all the holes here but not necessarily because of all the ridiculous OB and hazards. Just a lot of bad ideas piled on top of one another. This is the kind of track and setup that makes people NOT want to play, I would think. Seems like an amazing property though, too bad.
Footage was up to specs but the commentary was sleepy. Hey I just call it the way I see it. Where’s Ian?
“Call it the way it is”…. you should stop making calls then.
Are you a call monitor? I actually wrote, “I call it like I see it”, not “I call it like it is” but at this point we’re just splitting hairs. Really, I just called to say, “I love you.”
Im sorry I know how good these guys are this course is just way too penal there is no way these guys love playing here. Needs a major overhaul IMO to keep a tour spot. Not fun!
I wouldn't say major, I'd think just turn some of the OB into hazard around the greens and do away with all the drop zones. This would save everyone a couple strokes a round and make it more enjoyable/ attackable and more fun to watch
Why did you reply like eight different times on one video?
@@anonymoususer5351 where else do you suggest I reply
@@anonymoususer5351 Did you design this nightmare of a course?
@@DBLACKJACK70 I just don't think that there's any reason to be mad at enough at anything on the internet that you complain about it eight separate times
Hole 15 is an absolute joke
Even Pete Dye isn’t that cruel
So Paavo is your camera guy?
Hey man… please stop standing directly behind the basket when people are putting. Get to the side, get behind them, never be right behind the basket. There were multiple times you almost got hit by a missed putt. Document the game, don’t affect it.
You can flush this course next year unless someone changes this layout
IMO only questionable holes are 9 10 17 18. Otherwise i love this course
Look at it this way there is no golf ball golf course designed this way, so what is the point
The point was to make the OB more stupid and punitive than his other course: Winthrop.
Lol. Makes Winthrop look less dumb
Oh 17, and 18 get so much easier I mean really WTF