I have been waiting on such comparison from most of the YT channels to include both intel and AMD for cooler reviews. You guys are the first to do it! I found massive difference with temps while using coolers on AM5 specially with Arctic LF2 with their offset mounting bracket. Looking forward on 240 and 360mm AIO comparisons, strongly believe this is under progress behind the scene ;)
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Just installed Artic LF2 280 with offset mount on a 5800X3D, my idle temps are less then 10 degrees higher then roomtemp (30-31). when i game temps rises only like 5-8 degrees lol. Havent heard the fans ramping up at one single time yet.
@ I heard that AIO kit is in fact a top-notch performance unit and absolute at a bargain price (~120 $ on Amazon for the 360mm Kit in my country). The only complaint about it is the readiator thickness which is absurdly fat (+38mm while most of the AIO units measure 27mm) and make it incompatible to top-mount on many Mid-ATX cases. Other than that is hands down the best cou cooling system on the market.
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@@cristianrodriguez-palancas6072 i thick, aye. i managed to put it in Fractal Design Meshify C TG Black.
Thank you for including clockspeeds (and even frame rates at the end!) on these charts. With the new CPU’s boosting until they hit a thermal or voltage limit, noise normalized testing that results in thermally throttled performance as we saw on a few of these coolers is completely useless. These fan charts are the best and most useful I’ve seen on RUclips, and I’m so glad you guys have the guts to do something other than 1-dimensional bar charts to convey really important information.
Thanks. It does take a lot more time but I think our approach will really win out in the end, especially with next year's CPUs and how they will behave. In the end, both Intel and AMD absolutely need to approach desktop performance like they approach laptop CPUs: allow every iota of performance within a thermal maximum.
I am newbie into the pc hardware fandom, would it be easier to indicate lower is better or higher is better, the graphs were really confusing.@@HardwareCanucks thanks.
This has been what I've been waiting for. I had been noticing a lot of cooler testing not really lining up with my experiences and it was purely because no one was testing the CPUs I have. One thing I am disappointed to not see was testing of offset mounts. I reckon those actually do make a noticeable difference.
Kinda insane that the Phantom Spirit is a 120mm CPU cooler instead of a 140mm. Love the sheer amount of testing and the large amount of coolers represented as well as an AIO example
Gotta give love for giving us a plethora of benchmarks from high end to low profile coolers; you guys are the one-stop shop for the buyers' guide to choosing the right CPU cooler.
No wonder Phantom Spirit does so well here, since thicker IHS makes strategic placement of heat pipes less relevant, while having 7 heat pipes covering more area becomes an advantage over other coolers.
Awesome and informative video, setting a very high standard for cpu cooler testing. Ended up getting the Peerless Assassin on your recommendation a year back and it's been performing great! Keep em coming c:
Really excellent testing here. I remember when you first started revamping testing a few years ago, and you (at least in categories like coolers) went from "whatever" sources to a primary one for me. So happy to see it
Small correction for those who care, @ 2:06 he said that I.H.S. was an abbreviation of "internal heat sync" when it is an abbreviation of "integrated heat spreader"
This multi-CPU testing approach is really good IMO. And re-visiting AMD with the latest coolers is very welcome. Thank you so much for all your effort! This multi-CPU testing addresses my one lingering concern with your channel's otherwise amazing cooler reviews on Raptor Lake: wattage-limiting a 13900K isn't a super realistic simulation of an i7. i7 Has fewer physical cores so gives out more concentrated heat, 13900K has more wiggle room to dial in the frequencies "just so" across more cores to optimize perf per watt under the watt ceiling you set on the 13900K (so i7 may be less efficient on each core and therefore more hot/perform worse at same wattages), and i9 is binned better so it's more efficient once again. And of course the i9's boost behavior is just gonna be different from the i7, it's designed and tuned differently. Lastly I am worried that testing on just one sample of CPU, when you're showing data so close it's within margin of error, could really use another sample with random variance in its manufacturing to point out how much of the results is a fluke lining up with your i9 sample's quirks perfectly, instead showing which coolers rise and fall given a second sample of CPU (an i7?). That meaning if a cooler does good on one but not on another CPU, then results can be seen slightly more cautiously and in better context. (Not that this is a substitute for seeing content from multiple reviewers! But many reviewers are lagging behind and only testing on Ryzen 5000 or intel 10th gen! Kinda frustrating, the lack of reviewers using recent CPUs, honestly!) And I agree with what you said before, that i5 CPUs are easy to cool at stock. But the 13600K is interesting for being an unlocked i5, so maybe a short bonus section with an overclocked i5 K-series CPU might be interesting, for those who are buying it to OC. But it's more work to test it, and I'm not sure if it's as important as testing stock across an i9 and hopefully an i7 too.
I know it was a lot, but cannot thank you guys enough for doing these high-quality, thorough reviews on fans. They are EXTREMELY important, and most reviewers are simply happy with 'it works', which simply is not enoughm thank you for helping us make more informed decisions. 🖤
I am a big proponent of CPU air coolers and glad to have found your video. I am running the Ryzen 9 7700x on an ASUS X670e along with a Radeon 7900xtx. Your point about heat from the GPU is spot on. To address this, I went with a case that had bottom mounted fans so I could bring fresh air directly to the GPU and leave the front/side mounted fans to provide air for the balance of the components. I am currently running an AIO however, I am moving to a CPU air cooler (Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE).
This is great! Really looking forward to future cooler testing results. These results are surprising, and provide excellent insights into what to expect out of the box. I wonder how much better some of these would perform with an offset mounting kit.
Wow, guys… what an awesome review! I haven’t seen your reviews in a while, but I am going to from this point forward. Very clear explanation, well displayed, easy to read graphs and great editorial of your testing methodology. Thanks!😊
I went from a corsair h100i v1 240 rad AIO to my Noctua NH-D15. The performance is almost identical. Ryzen 7 58003DX idle at 40c-45c, a little warm yeah, but i never seen it go beyond 65c when gaming even on latest titles on ultra. Stressed tested at 100% load hitting 75c. Plus, the cooler is just a nice statement piece. Functionally, i like that theres less things to go wrong. AIO, you gotta worry about the pump, fans, potential leaks, inevitable corrosion of internals after years of use, and so on. Air cooler, you pretty much just gotta swap the fans, then you are back in business.
What I most respect about Noctua is the quality of their fans which they supply with their CPU coolers. I have an NH-D14 for about 12 years (if not longer) now. Working almost non-stop 24/7. And they are still like new, no weird noises, no nothing, I can barely hear them at full speed. All I ever do is clean them once in 4 months and that's all. I think if I ever buy a non-Noctua cooler, I'm still going to buy the fans from Noctua.
@@kosmosyche 100% agree. whenever i get new fans for any build or upgrade, i always go noctua. they last long, have good cooling, and are quiet. never had an issue with any of the 15 noctua fans i own. every single one i have still runs like new
@@TheRealSkeletor well, I was actually in doubt between getting the FS and or the PS. This video just showed me the PS performs a little tiiiiny bit better so...
I'm really impressed and thankful for all your work. The part in the Intel roundup where you didn't accept that the TR-FS where better than the TR-TC even after retesting it several times, and then went out and bought new coolers to rule out the possibility of a bad sample, made me trust your work even more. Only thing I'm missing (or probably missed) is the thermal paste used. Is it the same for all coolers or is it the included one?. Though thermal paste almost doesn't make a difference these days, it would be interesting to see a long run test, and see if there's a difference after a year or more. There's that chinese test that burned the paste for 48H at 200C or something, and that shows very big differences, but I doubt that that is equivalent to running thermal paste for a year+.
@@HardwareCanucks I know it might sound a bit outdated, but many people are still on zen 3. I'd really love to see the various thermalright models being compared on the 5800X3D
Thank you for the hard work, used it for my purchase. I upgraded from the AMD Prism the Phantom Spirit for a Ryzen 5 5600X3D. Idle went from: 33c to 26c, Heaviest load: 85c to 72c, Gaming: 75c to 62c, ambient room temp 21c. With the Phantom Spirit my clocks were maxed 4.35Ghz to 4.4Ghz while the Prism was often 4.1Ghz to 4.2Ghz. The overall case temp dropped as well lowering temps on the VRM, RAM, and GPU, almost 5c on average across the board so to speak. Thanks again, at $32 free shipping it was a beast of a deal.
Awesome review; love the cooler content from you guys. I know it probably won't happen, but I would have loved an AM4 version of this since now I'm questioning my Fuma 3 on my 5800x3d instead of having gone with a Thermalright..*sad face*
One thing to note about the gap between the best and "worst" cooler in these charts though: once you're at the high 80C's that seemingly small difference can matter once you have your stuff inside a case with the GPU dumping heat in there through the kind of GPU coolers we have today, it might actually start to matter for noise levels ie you don't need to just not have to crank up the CPU cooler fan, you also might be able to not totally crank up the chassis fans. And something to consider for AMD: asymmetrical coolers like how Thermalright does them has one huge advantage of offsetting the tower away from the PCI-E slot where even on ATX these days you might either have the graphics card on the first slot or you have something other than the m.2 drive (it isn't just Asus sticking a sound card in there; Gigabyte has insane stacks there these days). You could theoretically move the Thermalright down with an offset mount and at least get the tower away from all this stuff and the graphics card backplate.
Thanks a lot for the vid and all of the graphs. I was just going to ask for the Peerless assassin for my Birthday to cool my Ryzen 5 7600. Thanks to the vid i found the phantom spirit which is around $7 cheaper and cooled better. Not only is it better for the Ryzen 5 7600 but also for more expensive and powerful CPU's incase i want to upgrade and stick with the cooler. Thanks!
People are overthinking coolers to the point of it being ridiculous. Any cooled at any price above like 30€ is gonna cool any modern CPU effectively. Whether you're getting 64 degrees or 60 degrees or 58 degrees is absolutely irrelevant. Picking a CPU cooler is basically about picking whichever you like the looks of the most and whichever one is most silent, anything beyond that is a waste of energy.
Would love to see low budget single-tower recommendations join this list as well. How does the ID-Cooling 224-XT or Thermalright Assassin King SE fare on AM5, for example? P.S. Extreme appreciation for all that you do for us! 😊
Finished my Ryzen 7600 build with a AK500 from deepcool. It’s fantastic for the price, keeps it cold in Starfield even with the RX 6950XT heating the case.
Turning into one of the best Tech Channels on RUclips……….aka……..The “ScreenSavers” from years back before RUclips. Love your channel and even sweeter that it’s Canadian.
As a Fuma 3 buyer from Southeast Asia that bought it based on looks, and begged my aunt to smuggle it from US (not available in my country) on her flight yesterday, I have to say you got me real good. Lucky my cpu is Ryzen 7600X and Fuma 3 should be more than enough for now 😂
After viewing your video, I purchased the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB cooler for my Ryzen 7 7700. Thank you for the informative content. Keep up the excellent work; it's truly appreciated! 🙏🙏🙏
@@gugueta5 The TR PS 120 Se RGB proves to be an exceptional cooler, with the CPU reaching a maximum of 5.9 GHz during gaming, a surprising feat. Even under stress testing at all cores running at 5.4 GHz, it maintained temperatures below 83°C after disabling the PBO. It's undoubtedly a high-quality CPU cooler.
Just got back from buying a brand new never removed from the box Noctua D15 Black for $50. This will be my 4th D15 in the house. Paid $40 for a new D15 Silver, $60 for new D15 Silver and $80 for another but used D15 Black with White covers. Almost all my PC's have Noctua coolers now with a Wraith Prism in the shop PC and Vetroo V5 in my young kids pc. Noctua simply has the best long term support. For long term value vs cheaper brands. My air coolers with future socket kits will give me many years and I just need to swap a fan if one goes bad.
Thank you for the great test, but please consider removing the Deepcool Assassin III from your charts. It's impossible to buy. When looking for a quiet cooler for gaming, I need to know which cooler can hold the best temperature at low noise levels (under 40db). Please keep the 38db normalized test. I want to run a silent 7700 non-X on stock clocks for 3-4 years. After that, I might switch to AIO cooling with Ryzen7 8800X3D or 9800X3D (whatever will be the best gaming CPU available at the end of the AM5 platform life). However, if I manage to catch a good deal on Black Friday, I might jump directly to 7800X3D.
Surprised to see the NH-U12A score so 'bad' after many other outlets have shown it performs about on par with the D15 albeit a bit higher RPM and somewhat higher noise due to the smaller fans. The newer U12A's come with the AM5 offset bracket. Was either of the 2 Noctua coolers mounted with it?
I am surprised as well and worry bc I was going to buy it for my 7950x3D :/ according to Noctua's website it's really cool and silent (this 2nd is my main concern)
@@LucasGomez10 I have one on my 7800X3D. It does not throttle, nor should it depending on all the test I've seen on it. You do need some time to setup the fancurve correctly depending on your motherboard. As the CPU can boost quite aggressively the power draw does as well. I assume this will be even more on the 7950. So you need to cover that otherwise it will ramp up significantly at every load you put on it. I'm just wondering why the results shown here seem so off compared to others.
I'm glad I bought the deepcool assassin iii back when im using my ryzen 5 3600, it cools that hot cpu very well. Since then i've upgraded to the ryzen 5 5600 and thank god the ihs is flat on that one, im only getting around 60c while gaming maintaining a boost clock of 4.45ghz with an undervolt of -30. The only minor gripe is that it's loud but I don't really hear it since i'm using an iem while gaming.
Thank you for this video, I came here just to get that type of info and happy to say I found exactly what I was looking for in the form of a practical recommendation!
Great review as always, listening to your viewers requests and showing the die issue with the Ryzen CPUs, resulting in poor performance in some coolers. Thanx for also including both AMD and Intel cooling testing in future videos.👌
Phantom Spirit 120 (Non SE and not the RGB version) is what I definitely will get for my 7600x + RX 6800 combo, and to think I'd be jumping from Intel 4th gen and GTX 770m straight to AM5 build the jump is gonna be crazy like nothing else. So excited since I stopped gaming on late 2018/early 2019 since my GTX 770m couldn't handle any newer games.
Wow thank you sooooo much for this great video. The time, effort and care you put into each test really shows and we greatly appreciate it. I have the 7700x and recently installed the Fuma 3. While I like it, I felt like it was good, i felt like it could be better and this proved that there are better coolers. I personally like the look of the Fuma 3 over the phantom spirit, but the raw performance on the phantom spirit is making me question my decision. I may give the PS a shot after all. Thanks!
@@eimartin I'm using Asrock mobo. Pbo limits set to auto. pbo scalar ctrl set to auto. Max CPU boost clock override +200. Platform thermal throttle control set to auto. PBO Curve optimizer set to all core. All core negative 35. Also have a Ddr5 6000 cl36 ram overclocked to 6200 cl30 with FCLK 2100mhz and slightly better than buildzoids recommended sub timings
@@Ivan-xg1hx yeah definitely go for any Asrock b650 board. Just get the one that you can afford and has the features u want. they are all good even the cheap asrock b650m hdv/m.2 but that doesn't have rgb.
Excellent review as always. The Phantom Spirit has truly eclipsed the legendary Peerless Assassin. Now let's have a roundup of the top low-profile coolers against the 7000 non-X cpus, or at least the X-cpus in 65w eco mode.
@@HardwareCanucks Thanks. I've seen the video. Only 3 coolers were tested back then because as you said, a lot of the manufacturers have not yet adapted their LP coolers to AM5. Nine months later, maybe now they have, and we'd have new champs?
I wouldn't really use the wording eclipse unless they're similarly priced. The Phantom Spirit seems to command a 10 to 20% premium over the Peerless Assassin where I'm at which would make the PE120SE still the better option.
Have you ever talked to anyone at Thermalright about your Frost Commander problems if the Phantom Spirit works consistently better than the Peerless Assassin and it's essential the Same concept as the Frost Commander is to the Frost Spirit, I don't get why the Frost Commander consistently performs worse than the Frost Spirit. I know you said you bought a second unit on the Intel testing was it from the same retailer as the first unit and possibly from the same batch? It really sounds like Thermalright maybe should trade you out one of your samples for a new one and then do some investigation to see if there was a manufacturing flaw during a certain run of their coolers or something.
Would love to see a review of the Thermalright IS-100. Not exactly low profile at 100mm, but would be interesting to see how it performs against single towers like the Hyper 212 or AK400
Really appreciate the methodical approach. For my 7600 non X, the Thermalright U120EX is nothing short of spectacular. As expected, will vary depending on the case used, but any side intake case, as I tried the H9 Flow, O11D Evo, NV7 and the EK 360 aio won’t match the performance or the noise levels of the Thermalright paired to the Torrent case. Performance was good with the Fractal North, but the Torrent is the case for air cooling. Also would love to hear your opinion on the Thermalright TL-B12. That alone was a reason to going with the U120EX instead the Peerless Assassin. The Dark Rock Pro 4 falls way behind for modern AM5 CPUs.
Juat installed a Peerless Assassin on my 7600X. Only issue was the RAM was too high, so the front fan needs mounting slightly higher than the top of the radiator. Annoying for someone with OCD; luckily that's not me!
Super thorough! Amazing work. Thank you! I ended up getting the LT520 simply because it was on sale and the difference between the AK670 and the LT520 was negligible and gives a bit future proofing. If the price difference was wider I'd have ended up with the AK670 I think.
Testing with standardized fans is a bit pointless. Most good coolers are actually designed around their fans rather than random fans. Just being slept onto a heat sink. That means fan performance from one fan to another will be extremely extremely different and also difficult to gauge. It opens up a whole other can of worms since it is very situationally dependent.
@@HardwareCanucks Sure, but that also goes for pc towers i would believe? But people still add or replace fans to match the build, or have have the same type of fan for the whole build. Having 2-3 or even more different fans doesnt look good in my opinion.
*_Mike!_* . . if the shirt is accurate, then congratulations on being a new Dad !!! About the video: Excellent ! ! well done. I think with AM5 you need a cooler design that has the heat-pipes oriented top to bottom (from the perspective of looking at the motherboard in a standard, upright ATX configuration, thru the left side of the case, w/the I/O on the left.). Like the JONSBO HX6250 or, the Noctua NH-U12S or, the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. C . . . . just a theory.
@@geniusDominick Thats what i ordered yesterday 😂 Its "value to price" looks insane, i will buy a 7800x3d under it with thermal grizzly kryonaut, i hope they are not gonna fail me ✌️
from what i know... the X3D ryzen are hotter than the normal X versions... this is because the 3D v-cache is located above the cores, like a sanwich and the midle layer being the 3D V-cache that is betewen the cores and the cooler making the heat travel distance from the coler to the cores bigger
AMD says the 7950X can run 95 degrees Celsius 24/7 without performance lost. The cooler you try to make it, the faster the CPU will work, thus higher temperature. Mine runs 40-47 Celsius while gaming, which is normal.
Thank you for your tests. I would also be interested to see how be quiet! coolers are doing. I like their coolers, and i have Pure Rock 2, and i would want to know - would it be enough to cool Ryzen 7600, or do i have to replace it, if i want to upgrade CPU. Thank you for your work again!
Awesome testing, there's really only one thing I tend to miss in cooler tests and that's subjective audio characteristics of coolers. Do they produce more annoying frequency of sound for example? A pure db value doesn't touch on that at all since it's just raw noise output but one could be infinitely more pleasant to listen to but have higher total noise output. I can get why it's not tested much though because it's such a subjective thing, I just feel it's an important but very overlooked factor. I've had cheaper fans that are technically lower total volume but had things like awful noise/harmonics/vibration at specific rpm, or even ticking noises from the motors making them entirely unusable.
PS120 SE - $40 Cad! I use it to cool the 5800x3d. Along with Lancool 216 as case, I'm getting 30c idle, and 50c 1440p ultra playing Remnant 2. Crazy good!
Having an x3d chip (I have a 7800X3D) sure makes looking at coolers a lot less... fun?... important?... stressful?... I still really enjoyed the video!
Cougar Forza has did about 7-6 degrees Celsius better than my peerless assassin. I had better RAM cooling as well because the heat sink is designed with a kick back so the fan is not cover both sticks of RAM. Granted i did not use the stock fans for either. I used CORSAIR RS 120. I used two for both of them. I have to dig up my mounting bracket for my Cougar Forza . these both were 6 heat pipes. I unfortunately did not know there was a peerless assassin with 7 heat pipes until after my purchase.
Noctua's offset mounting brackets are available, were they used for this testing? or was it default mounting? would love to see what difference it actually makes :) great video and very comprehensive graphs all around
@@HardwareCanucks I just realised the Tee meant second one is on the way, heh. I hope you find time to sleep in the coming madness, they are worth the crazy. Congrats again!
Great information as expected at this point. I look forward to the wrench Intel's Arrow Lake and beyond CPUs throw into the cooling equation given that their cores are also going to be along the edge.
Of course I see this as soon as I have already purchased everything
Yup ...me too 🙄
But interesting just the same 👍😀
I bought mine yesterday 🗿
Well i got the notification 3h prior so I'm gonna watch it before ordering
Bought the AK620 on Sunday got lucky I guess.
@@nick4668sgl I returned it for ps120. The fans turned bad in 2 days.
I have been waiting on such comparison from most of the YT channels to include both intel and AMD for cooler reviews. You guys are the first to do it! I found massive difference with temps while using coolers on AM5 specially with Arctic LF2 with their offset mounting bracket. Looking forward on 240 and 360mm AIO comparisons, strongly believe this is under progress behind the scene ;)
Just installed Artic LF2 280 with offset mount on a 5800X3D, my idle temps are less then 10 degrees higher then roomtemp (30-31). when i game temps rises only like 5-8 degrees lol. Havent heard the fans ramping up at one single time yet.
@ what was your previous cooler on the 5800x3D?
@@KingArturHawkwing the cheap noctua cooler with 1 90mm fan
@ I heard that AIO kit is in fact a top-notch performance unit and absolute at a bargain price (~120 $ on Amazon for the 360mm Kit in my country). The only complaint about it is the readiator thickness which is absurdly fat (+38mm while most of the AIO units measure 27mm) and make it incompatible to top-mount on many Mid-ATX cases. Other than that is hands down the best cou cooling system on the market.
@@cristianrodriguez-palancas6072 i thick, aye. i managed to put it in Fractal Design Meshify C TG Black.
Thank you for including clockspeeds (and even frame rates at the end!) on these charts. With the new CPU’s boosting until they hit a thermal or voltage limit, noise normalized testing that results in thermally throttled performance as we saw on a few of these coolers is completely useless. These fan charts are the best and most useful I’ve seen on RUclips, and I’m so glad you guys have the guts to do something other than 1-dimensional bar charts to convey really important information.
Thanks. It does take a lot more time but I think our approach will really win out in the end, especially with next year's CPUs and how they will behave. In the end, both Intel and AMD absolutely need to approach desktop performance like they approach laptop CPUs: allow every iota of performance within a thermal maximum.
I am newbie into the pc hardware fandom, would it be easier to indicate lower is better or higher is better, the graphs were really confusing.@@HardwareCanucks thanks.
@@HardwareCanucks It would be very cool to see wat will those cheap Thermalright coolers do if you slap high end fans on it.
@@Velocifyer Setting the CPU to a set speed would definitely be interesting for testing.
@@bekatabidze516 Phantom Spirit 120 EVO is their new model with their higher end fans.
This has been what I've been waiting for. I had been noticing a lot of cooler testing not really lining up with my experiences and it was purely because no one was testing the CPUs I have. One thing I am disappointed to not see was testing of offset mounts. I reckon those actually do make a noticeable difference.
We will be covering that in a separate video
@@HardwareCanucksI wished u used the Noctua offset temps as well since they did do that more so ryzen 7000 cpu but I'm using some on my ryzen 500 cpu
@@HardwareCanuckswhere is it
Kinda insane that the Phantom Spirit is a 120mm CPU cooler instead of a 140mm. Love the sheer amount of testing and the large amount of coolers represented as well as an AIO example
Gotta give love for giving us a plethora of benchmarks from high end to low profile coolers; you guys are the one-stop shop for the buyers' guide to choosing the right CPU cooler.
No wonder Phantom Spirit does so well here, since thicker IHS makes strategic placement of heat pipes less relevant, while having 7 heat pipes covering more area becomes an advantage over other coolers.
Awesome and informative video, setting a very high standard for cpu cooler testing. Ended up getting the Peerless Assassin on your recommendation a year back and it's been performing great! Keep em coming c:
Good to hear its been amazing for you. :)
Really excellent testing here. I remember when you first started revamping testing a few years ago, and you (at least in categories like coolers) went from "whatever" sources to a primary one for me. So happy to see it
Small correction for those who care, @ 2:06 he said that I.H.S. was an abbreviation of "internal heat sync" when it is an abbreviation of "integrated heat spreader"
It never occurred to me to worry about how CPU coolers might differ from Intel to AMD chips. Now I know. Thanks Mike!
This multi-CPU testing approach is really good IMO. And re-visiting AMD with the latest coolers is very welcome. Thank you so much for all your effort!
This multi-CPU testing addresses my one lingering concern with your channel's otherwise amazing cooler reviews on Raptor Lake: wattage-limiting a 13900K isn't a super realistic simulation of an i7. i7 Has fewer physical cores so gives out more concentrated heat, 13900K has more wiggle room to dial in the frequencies "just so" across more cores to optimize perf per watt under the watt ceiling you set on the 13900K (so i7 may be less efficient on each core and therefore more hot/perform worse at same wattages), and i9 is binned better so it's more efficient once again. And of course the i9's boost behavior is just gonna be different from the i7, it's designed and tuned differently.
Lastly I am worried that testing on just one sample of CPU, when you're showing data so close it's within margin of error, could really use another sample with random variance in its manufacturing to point out how much of the results is a fluke lining up with your i9 sample's quirks perfectly, instead showing which coolers rise and fall given a second sample of CPU (an i7?). That meaning if a cooler does good on one but not on another CPU, then results can be seen slightly more cautiously and in better context. (Not that this is a substitute for seeing content from multiple reviewers! But many reviewers are lagging behind and only testing on Ryzen 5000 or intel 10th gen! Kinda frustrating, the lack of reviewers using recent CPUs, honestly!)
And I agree with what you said before, that i5 CPUs are easy to cool at stock. But the 13600K is interesting for being an unlocked i5, so maybe a short bonus section with an overclocked i5 K-series CPU might be interesting, for those who are buying it to OC. But it's more work to test it, and I'm not sure if it's as important as testing stock across an i9 and hopefully an i7 too.
I know it was a lot, but cannot thank you guys enough for doing these high-quality, thorough reviews on fans. They are EXTREMELY important, and most reviewers are simply happy with 'it works', which simply is not enoughm thank you for helping us make more informed decisions. 🖤
Thanks
If I can get the ps 120se and the frost spirit 140 v3 at the same price , which one should i get ?
I think that the Frost Spirit, at high temperatures, should be less noisy with that 14cm fan.
which one did u get?
I am a big proponent of CPU air coolers and glad to have found your video. I am running the Ryzen 9 7700x on an ASUS X670e along with a Radeon 7900xtx. Your point about heat from the GPU is spot on. To address this, I went with a case that had bottom mounted fans so I could bring fresh air directly to the GPU and leave the front/side mounted fans to provide air for the balance of the components. I am currently running an AIO however, I am moving to a CPU air cooler (Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE).
This is insanely perfect timing! Buying an air cooler for my 7700x this week!
This is great! Really looking forward to future cooler testing results. These results are surprising, and provide excellent insights into what to expect out of the box. I wonder how much better some of these would perform with an offset mounting kit.
I'd like to hear more about memory clearance and how that effects actual tower height when you have to raise the fan to clear memory.
And which memory will clear which fans.
Man, you're the best!! Thank you a ton for your efforts!
Wow, guys… what an awesome review! I haven’t seen your reviews in a while, but I am going to from this point forward. Very clear explanation, well displayed, easy to read graphs and great editorial of your testing methodology. Thanks!😊
I went from a corsair h100i v1 240 rad AIO to my Noctua NH-D15. The performance is almost identical. Ryzen 7 58003DX idle at 40c-45c, a little warm yeah, but i never seen it go beyond 65c when gaming even on latest titles on ultra. Stressed tested at 100% load hitting 75c. Plus, the cooler is just a nice statement piece. Functionally, i like that theres less things to go wrong. AIO, you gotta worry about the pump, fans, potential leaks, inevitable corrosion of internals after years of use, and so on. Air cooler, you pretty much just gotta swap the fans, then you are back in business.
What I most respect about Noctua is the quality of their fans which they supply with their CPU coolers. I have an NH-D14 for about 12 years (if not longer) now. Working almost non-stop 24/7. And they are still like new, no weird noises, no nothing, I can barely hear them at full speed. All I ever do is clean them once in 4 months and that's all. I think if I ever buy a non-Noctua cooler, I'm still going to buy the fans from Noctua.
@@kosmosyche 100% agree. whenever i get new fans for any build or upgrade, i always go noctua. they last long, have good cooling, and are quiet. never had an issue with any of the 15 noctua fans i own. every single one i have still runs like new
Amazing and in depth video, thank you for doing so much testing and presenting it in a clear and informative way!
Thank you for the Ryzen CPU coolers test! Watching this on my 7800X3D and TR PS120 SE feels satisfying :)
I think Mike is trying to say something with his T-shirt...
Congratulations, Mike!
Thanks!
Thanks a lot! I've been following Hardware Canucks for quite a long time, but in recent years you really step up your games. Well done!.
Phantom spirit is the best cooler hands down.
Looks like it was beat by the Frost Spirit V3 in several of these tests!
@@TheRealSkeletor not in AM5
@@guiT39 This video showed that it is.
@@TheRealSkeletor well, I was actually in doubt between getting the FS and or the PS. This video just showed me the PS performs a little tiiiiny bit better so...
@@TheRealSkeletor Name a single one. I think you don't know how to read these graphs.
I'm really impressed and thankful for all your work. The part in the Intel roundup where you didn't accept that the TR-FS where better than the TR-TC even after retesting it several times, and then went out and bought new coolers to rule out the possibility of a bad sample, made me trust your work even more. Only thing I'm missing (or probably missed) is the thermal paste used. Is it the same for all coolers or is it the included one?.
Though thermal paste almost doesn't make a difference these days, it would be interesting to see a long run test, and see if there's a difference after a year or more. There's that chinese test that burned the paste for 48H at 200C or something, and that shows very big differences, but I doubt that that is equivalent to running thermal paste for a year+.
You are actually very right. I completely forgot to add the thermal paste to the methodology. It's AC MX-5.
@@HardwareCanucks I know it might sound a bit outdated, but many people are still on zen 3. I'd really love to see the various thermalright models being compared on the 5800X3D
Thank you for the hard work, used it for my purchase. I upgraded from the AMD Prism the Phantom Spirit for a Ryzen 5 5600X3D.
Idle went from: 33c to 26c, Heaviest load: 85c to 72c, Gaming: 75c to 62c, ambient room temp 21c. With the Phantom Spirit my clocks were maxed 4.35Ghz to 4.4Ghz while the Prism was often 4.1Ghz to 4.2Ghz. The overall case temp dropped as well lowering temps on the VRM, RAM, and GPU, almost 5c on average across the board so to speak. Thanks again, at $32 free shipping it was a beast of a deal.
Awesome review; love the cooler content from you guys. I know it probably won't happen, but I would have loved an AM4 version of this since now I'm questioning my Fuma 3 on my 5800x3d instead of having gone with a Thermalright..*sad face*
One thing to note about the gap between the best and "worst" cooler in these charts though: once you're at the high 80C's that seemingly small difference can matter once you have your stuff inside a case with the GPU dumping heat in there through the kind of GPU coolers we have today, it might actually start to matter for noise levels ie you don't need to just not have to crank up the CPU cooler fan, you also might be able to not totally crank up the chassis fans.
And something to consider for AMD: asymmetrical coolers like how Thermalright does them has one huge advantage of offsetting the tower away from the PCI-E slot where even on ATX these days you might either have the graphics card on the first slot or you have something other than the m.2 drive (it isn't just Asus sticking a sound card in there; Gigabyte has insane stacks there these days). You could theoretically move the Thermalright down with an offset mount and at least get the tower away from all this stuff and the graphics card backplate.
PSA: IHS = Integrated Heat Spreader
Just a little FYI. But LOVED the video! 👍
Yeah realized that flub after the fact.
Thanks a lot for the vid and all of the graphs. I was just going to ask for the Peerless assassin for my Birthday to cool my Ryzen 5 7600. Thanks to the vid i found the phantom spirit which is around $7 cheaper and cooled better. Not only is it better for the Ryzen 5 7600 but also for more expensive and powerful CPU's incase i want to upgrade and stick with the cooler. Thanks!
People are overthinking coolers to the point of it being ridiculous. Any cooled at any price above like 30€ is gonna cool any modern CPU effectively. Whether you're getting 64 degrees or 60 degrees or 58 degrees is absolutely irrelevant. Picking a CPU cooler is basically about picking whichever you like the looks of the most and whichever one is most silent, anything beyond that is a waste of energy.
Thank you for this exhaustive test on AM5.
Would love to see low budget single-tower recommendations join this list as well. How does the ID-Cooling 224-XT or Thermalright Assassin King SE fare on AM5, for example?
P.S. Extreme appreciation for all that you do for us! 😊
this is the very reason why i like your channel! we appreciate you guys 💪🏻😁 quality content yet again!
Great benchmark and dedication for a video
Finished my Ryzen 7600 build with a AK500 from deepcool. It’s fantastic for the price, keeps it cold in Starfield even with the RX 6950XT heating the case.
What are the Temps looking like on your 6950xt when playing Starfield?
Turning into one of the best Tech Channels on RUclips……….aka……..The “ScreenSavers” from years back before RUclips. Love your channel and even sweeter that it’s Canadian.
nice, I bought the PA120 after watching one of your videos
honestly watched the ad read, i would love to see more be quiet! here ngl
couldn't agree more
FINALLY!!! INSTANT LIKE! Would have loved to have an AM4 cpu tossed into this mix aswell though!
Thanks for the review roundup, came at just the right time for me and has given me a better idea of what solution I need. Good video.
Doing the lords work right here. Ty for all that testing ❤
As a Fuma 3 buyer from Southeast Asia that bought it based on looks, and begged my aunt to smuggle it from US (not available in my country) on her flight yesterday, I have to say you got me real good. Lucky my cpu is Ryzen 7600X and Fuma 3 should be more than enough for now 😂
I just bought it for my 7600x how’s it been for you any issues? should i return it for something else or no?
Love your reviews. You have very clear and pleasant way of reviewing
After viewing your video, I purchased the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB cooler for my Ryzen 7 7700. Thank you for the informative content. Keep up the excellent work; it's truly appreciated! 🙏🙏🙏
How is PS 120 SE performing?
@@gugueta5 The TR PS 120 Se RGB proves to be an exceptional cooler, with the CPU reaching a maximum of 5.9 GHz during gaming, a surprising feat. Even under stress testing at all cores running at 5.4 GHz, it maintained temperatures below 83°C after disabling the PBO. It's undoubtedly a high-quality CPU cooler.
@@MahbubVai Is AG620 DeepCool good? At the moment, it`s costing the same as PS 120 here.
@@gugueta5 I haven't use it, so I can't provide feedback or constructive information. If it appeals to you, feel free to buy it
how is the perfomance under full load
Just got back from buying a brand new never removed from the box Noctua D15 Black for $50. This will be my 4th D15 in the house. Paid $40 for a new D15 Silver, $60 for new D15 Silver and $80 for another but used D15 Black with White covers. Almost all my PC's have Noctua coolers now with a Wraith Prism in the shop PC and Vetroo V5 in my young kids pc.
Noctua simply has the best long term support. For long term value vs cheaper brands. My air coolers with future socket kits will give me many years and I just need to swap a fan if one goes bad.
Thanks for such informative video!
Please consider big round-up for low-profile coolers on both Intel and AMD platforms with recent new models)
Thank you for the great test, but please consider removing the Deepcool Assassin III from your charts. It's impossible to buy.
When looking for a quiet cooler for gaming, I need to know which cooler can hold the best temperature at low noise levels (under 40db). Please keep the 38db normalized test.
I want to run a silent 7700 non-X on stock clocks for 3-4 years. After that, I might switch to AIO cooling with Ryzen7 8800X3D or 9800X3D (whatever will be the best gaming CPU available at the end of the AM5 platform life). However, if I manage to catch a good deal on Black Friday, I might jump directly to 7800X3D.
The Assassin III is still available but I hear you.
Surprised to see the NH-U12A score so 'bad' after many other outlets have shown it performs about on par with the D15 albeit a bit higher RPM and somewhat higher noise due to the smaller fans. The newer U12A's come with the AM5 offset bracket. Was either of the 2 Noctua coolers mounted with it?
Im also suprised by this.
I am surprised as well and worry bc I was going to buy it for my 7950x3D :/ according to Noctua's website it's really cool and silent (this 2nd is my main concern)
high background noise of 35dB of the testing environment disadvantages the a12x25. it would be very different with lower background noise.
@@LucasGomez10 I have one on my 7800X3D. It does not throttle, nor should it depending on all the test I've seen on it. You do need some time to setup the fancurve correctly depending on your motherboard. As the CPU can boost quite aggressively the power draw does as well. I assume this will be even more on the 7950. So you need to cover that otherwise it will ramp up significantly at every load you put on it. I'm just wondering why the results shown here seem so off compared to others.
@@LucasGomez10hola ya compraste el disipador para tu 7950X3D ? Estoy en la misma situación no sé cuál adquirir 😢
I'm glad I bought the deepcool assassin iii back when im using my ryzen 5 3600, it cools that hot cpu very well. Since then i've upgraded to the ryzen 5 5600 and thank god the ihs is flat on that one, im only getting around 60c while gaming maintaining a boost clock of 4.45ghz with an undervolt of -30. The only minor gripe is that it's loud but I don't really hear it since i'm using an iem while gaming.
Ive been on the ak620 for awhile now, maybe its time for an upgrade hehe. Thank you for doing this!
Thank you for this video, I came here just to get that type of info and happy to say I found exactly what I was looking for in the form of a practical recommendation!
Great review as always, listening to your viewers requests and showing the die issue with the Ryzen CPUs, resulting in poor performance in some coolers. Thanx for also including both AMD and Intel cooling testing in future videos.👌
Phantom Spirit 120 (Non SE and not the RGB version) is what I definitely will get for my 7600x + RX 6800 combo, and to think I'd be jumping from Intel 4th gen and GTX 770m straight to AM5 build the jump is gonna be crazy like nothing else. So excited since I stopped gaming on late 2018/early 2019 since my GTX 770m couldn't handle any newer games.
Wow thank you sooooo much for this great video. The time, effort and care you put into each test really shows and we greatly appreciate it. I have the 7700x and recently installed the Fuma 3. While I like it, I felt like it was good, i felt like it could be better and this proved that there are better coolers. I personally like the look of the Fuma 3 over the phantom spirit, but the raw performance on the phantom spirit is making me question my decision. I may give the PS a shot after all. Thanks!
Make sure you set your pbo setting in bios. I got my 7700x 5.5ghz all core with -35 pbo on a hyper 212
@@XxXTMillzXxX Wow that's pretty darn good for the Hyper 212! Did you leave PPT and thermal limits alone and just do the -35 PBO curve?
@@eimartin I'm using Asrock mobo. Pbo limits set to auto. pbo scalar ctrl set to auto. Max CPU boost clock override +200. Platform thermal throttle control set to auto. PBO Curve optimizer set to all core. All core negative 35. Also have a Ddr5 6000 cl36 ram overclocked to 6200 cl30 with FCLK 2100mhz and slightly better than buildzoids recommended sub timings
@@XxXTMillzXxXif you dont mind me asking, which asrock mobo series u bought? I want to buy a b650 but confused on which one to choose.
@@Ivan-xg1hx yeah definitely go for any Asrock b650 board. Just get the one that you can afford and has the features u want. they are all good even the cheap asrock b650m hdv/m.2 but that doesn't have rgb.
Excellent review as always. The Phantom Spirit has truly eclipsed the legendary Peerless Assassin. Now let's have a roundup of the top low-profile coolers against the 7000 non-X cpus, or at least the X-cpus in 65w eco mode.
Definitely would love to see low profile coolers tested!
I did a full video about this here: ruclips.net/video/dqzqF9RBVvk/видео.html
@@HardwareCanucks Thanks. I've seen the video. Only 3 coolers were tested back then because as you said, a lot of the manufacturers have not yet adapted their LP coolers to AM5. Nine months later, maybe now they have, and we'd have new champs?
I wouldn't really use the wording eclipse unless they're similarly priced. The Phantom Spirit seems to command a 10 to 20% premium over the Peerless Assassin where I'm at which would make the PE120SE still the better option.
Have you ever talked to anyone at Thermalright about your Frost Commander problems if the Phantom Spirit works consistently better than the Peerless Assassin and it's essential the Same concept as the Frost Commander is to the Frost Spirit, I don't get why the Frost Commander consistently performs worse than the Frost Spirit. I know you said you bought a second unit on the Intel testing was it from the same retailer as the first unit and possibly from the same batch? It really sounds like Thermalright maybe should trade you out one of your samples for a new one and then do some investigation to see if there was a manufacturing flaw during a certain run of their coolers or something.
Peerless assassin dang
Phantom Spirit though is so good
Great video, and I appreciate the distinction between intel and amd, and the generation as well as these clearly all make a difference
Good job with the testing, much appreciated! 🎉
Would love to see a review of the Thermalright IS-100. Not exactly low profile at 100mm, but would be interesting to see how it performs against single towers like the Hyper 212 or AK400
Love your content always shot so beautifully
Just purchased the PS120SE for a 5900x, this video confirmed this cooler will be more than enough to handle it
Mike is always Ryzen to the challenge with these videos. I appreciate the passion.
boooo
@@DeadPiixxel 🍅
Just what I needed before sleeping (I have the Phantom Spirit!)
Then you also have validation. ;)
You could use a Be Quiet just for a representation, and show the wattage per CPU, as you usually do in the graphs.
Nice video overall
Wattage is highly dependent on temperatures so it becomes a wash.
Really appreciate the methodical approach. For my 7600 non X, the Thermalright U120EX is nothing short of spectacular. As expected, will vary depending on the case used, but any side intake case, as I tried the H9 Flow, O11D Evo, NV7 and the EK 360 aio won’t match the performance or the noise levels of the Thermalright paired to the Torrent case. Performance was good with the Fractal North, but the Torrent is the case for air cooling. Also would love to hear your opinion on the Thermalright TL-B12. That alone was a reason to going with the U120EX instead the Peerless Assassin. The Dark Rock Pro 4 falls way behind for modern AM5 CPUs.
Juat installed a Peerless Assassin on my 7600X. Only issue was the RAM was too high, so the front fan needs mounting slightly higher than the top of the radiator. Annoying for someone with OCD; luckily that's not me!
Super thorough! Amazing work. Thank you! I ended up getting the LT520 simply because it was on sale and the difference between the AK670 and the LT520 was negligible and gives a bit future proofing. If the price difference was wider I'd have ended up with the AK670 I think.
super video. thanks a bunch Mike and Hardware Canuck's team
Please test with standardized fans, to see which cooler has the best design for people who plan to use their own fans with the cooler, like RGB fans.
Testing with standardized fans is a bit pointless. Most good coolers are actually designed around their fans rather than random fans. Just being slept onto a heat sink. That means fan performance from one fan to another will be extremely extremely different and also difficult to gauge. It opens up a whole other can of worms since it is very situationally dependent.
@@HardwareCanucks Sure, but that also goes for pc towers i would believe? But people still add or replace fans to match the build, or have have the same type of fan for the whole build. Having 2-3 or even more different fans doesnt look good in my opinion.
*_Mike!_* . . if the shirt is accurate, then congratulations on being a new Dad !!!
About the video: Excellent ! ! well done. I think with AM5 you need a cooler design that has the heat-pipes oriented top to bottom (from the perspective of looking at the motherboard in a standard, upright ATX configuration, thru the left side of the case, w/the I/O on the left.). Like the JONSBO HX6250 or, the Noctua NH-U12S or, the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. C . . . . just a theory.
Thanks you Mike! Your testing has helped me out a lot!
Thanks for the hard work!
Excellent review as always
I just started building a new AM5 PC....This could not be a more perfectly timed video, Thanks
What did you get? And how its working?
@@MrVadallat Thermalright PS120SE, no issues
@@geniusDominick Thats what i ordered yesterday 😂 Its "value to price" looks insane, i will buy a 7800x3d under it with thermal grizzly kryonaut, i hope they are not gonna fail me ✌️
Thanks for doing various CPUs ... was not much data available for 7950x and Phantom Spirit 120SE.
from what i know... the X3D ryzen are hotter than the normal X versions... this is because the 3D v-cache is located above the cores, like a sanwich and the midle layer being the 3D V-cache that is betewen the cores and the cooler making the heat travel distance from the coler to the cores bigger
They are not. They actually run cooler due to AMD choosing their most efficient chips for the X3D models.
Amazing work, thanks for sharing!
AMD says the 7950X can run 95 degrees Celsius 24/7 without performance lost. The cooler you try to make it, the faster the CPU will work, thus higher temperature.
Mine runs 40-47 Celsius while gaming, which is normal.
Hola 👋, que disipador para el CPU usas ?
@@henrymorales9956 Deepcool LT720 360mm aio liquid cooler.
Thanks for the info about the issues the AM5 DIE positioning causes, I was going to buy the NH DH15 but now i think ill go with the Phantom
Thank you for your tests. I would also be interested to see how be quiet! coolers are doing. I like their coolers, and i have Pure Rock 2, and i would want to know - would it be enough to cool Ryzen 7600, or do i have to replace it, if i want to upgrade CPU. Thank you for your work again!
Love this coverage.
Awesome testing, there's really only one thing I tend to miss in cooler tests and that's subjective audio characteristics of coolers. Do they produce more annoying frequency of sound for example? A pure db value doesn't touch on that at all since it's just raw noise output but one could be infinitely more pleasant to listen to but have higher total noise output. I can get why it's not tested much though because it's such a subjective thing, I just feel it's an important but very overlooked factor.
I've had cheaper fans that are technically lower total volume but had things like awful noise/harmonics/vibration at specific rpm, or even ticking noises from the motors making them entirely unusable.
PS120 SE - $40 Cad! I use it to cool the 5800x3d. Along with Lancool 216 as case, I'm getting 30c idle, and 50c 1440p ultra playing Remnant 2. Crazy good!
Awesome test as usual, thanks :)
I'm curious what happened to your U12A. Many people report it often cooling better than the NH-D15 but yours is performing noticeably worse.
Having an x3d chip (I have a 7800X3D) sure makes looking at coolers a lot less... fun?... important?... stressful?... I still really enjoyed the video!
Thank you for this round up. Trying to find a Air cooler for refreshing an Esports Arena computers.
Cougar Forza has did about 7-6 degrees Celsius better than my peerless assassin.
I had better RAM cooling as well because the heat sink is designed with a kick back so the fan is not cover both sticks of RAM.
Granted i did not use the stock fans for either. I used CORSAIR RS 120.
I used two for both of them.
I have to dig up my mounting bracket for my Cougar Forza .
these both were 6 heat pipes. I unfortunately did not know there was a peerless assassin with 7 heat pipes until after my purchase.
thank you for this in depth review it is awesome! :)
Thank you for this valuable extensive testing!
I just wish you would have tested Arctic as well. ^^
Thanks for the effort!
Noctua's offset mounting brackets are available, were they used for this testing? or was it default mounting? would love to see what difference it actually makes :)
great video and very comprehensive graphs all around
Nope. We test only in stock configuration. Like with Intel; we don't use a contact frame for those.
I'm curious too to know if they make a difference or not as those CCD aren't centered
@@HardwareCanucks thanks for the answer ! Are there any resources anywhere to see the potential uplift? Or is it too recent to have that kind of data
Wait, wait, has the baby arrived already? Are you a poppa now??? CONGRATS!!! 🎂🍻🍻🍻🍻
First one arrived in May last year. Second one due in January. :)
@@HardwareCanucks I just realised the Tee meant second one is on the way, heh. I hope you find time to sleep in the coming madness, they are worth the crazy. Congrats again!
I mean what the testing really shows is that if you have a budget and space get a 240+ AIO. Lowest temps, and less noise.
Great information as expected at this point. I look forward to the wrench Intel's Arrow Lake and beyond CPUs throw into the cooling equation given that their cores are also going to be along the edge.
im buying TR PS 120 SE because of these :)