Thank you for including clockspeeds (and even frame rates at the end!) on these charts. With the new CPU’s boosting until they hit a thermal or voltage limit, noise normalized testing that results in thermally throttled performance as we saw on a few of these coolers is completely useless. These fan charts are the best and most useful I’ve seen on RUclips, and I’m so glad you guys have the guts to do something other than 1-dimensional bar charts to convey really important information.
Thanks. It does take a lot more time but I think our approach will really win out in the end, especially with next year's CPUs and how they will behave. In the end, both Intel and AMD absolutely need to approach desktop performance like they approach laptop CPUs: allow every iota of performance within a thermal maximum.
I am newbie into the pc hardware fandom, would it be easier to indicate lower is better or higher is better, the graphs were really confusing.@@HardwareCanucks thanks.
This has been what I've been waiting for. I had been noticing a lot of cooler testing not really lining up with my experiences and it was purely because no one was testing the CPUs I have. One thing I am disappointed to not see was testing of offset mounts. I reckon those actually do make a noticeable difference.
Gotta give love for giving us a plethora of benchmarks from high end to low profile coolers; you guys are the one-stop shop for the buyers' guide to choosing the right CPU cooler.
I have been waiting on such comparison from most of the YT channels to include both intel and AMD for cooler reviews. You guys are the first to do it! I found massive difference with temps while using coolers on AM5 specially with Arctic LF2 with their offset mounting bracket. Looking forward on 240 and 360mm AIO comparisons, strongly believe this is under progress behind the scene ;)
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Just installed Artic LF2 280 with offset mount on a 5800X3D, my idle temps are less then 10 degrees higher then roomtemp (30-31). when i game temps rises only like 5-8 degrees lol. Havent heard the fans ramping up at one single time yet.
@ I heard that AIO kit is in fact a top-notch performance unit and absolute at a bargain price (~120 $ on Amazon for the 360mm Kit in my country). The only complaint about it is the readiator thickness which is absurdly fat (+38mm while most of the AIO units measure 27mm) and make it incompatible to top-mount on many Mid-ATX cases. Other than that is hands down the best cou cooling system on the market.
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@@cristianrodriguez-palancas6072 i thick, aye. i managed to put it in Fractal Design Meshify C TG Black.
No wonder Phantom Spirit does so well here, since thicker IHS makes strategic placement of heat pipes less relevant, while having 7 heat pipes covering more area becomes an advantage over other coolers.
Kinda insane that the Phantom Spirit is a 120mm CPU cooler instead of a 140mm. Love the sheer amount of testing and the large amount of coolers represented as well as an AIO example
Awesome and informative video, setting a very high standard for cpu cooler testing. Ended up getting the Peerless Assassin on your recommendation a year back and it's been performing great! Keep em coming c:
Really excellent testing here. I remember when you first started revamping testing a few years ago, and you (at least in categories like coolers) went from "whatever" sources to a primary one for me. So happy to see it
This multi-CPU testing approach is really good IMO. And re-visiting AMD with the latest coolers is very welcome. Thank you so much for all your effort! This multi-CPU testing addresses my one lingering concern with your channel's otherwise amazing cooler reviews on Raptor Lake: wattage-limiting a 13900K isn't a super realistic simulation of an i7. i7 Has fewer physical cores so gives out more concentrated heat, 13900K has more wiggle room to dial in the frequencies "just so" across more cores to optimize perf per watt under the watt ceiling you set on the 13900K (so i7 may be less efficient on each core and therefore more hot/perform worse at same wattages), and i9 is binned better so it's more efficient once again. And of course the i9's boost behavior is just gonna be different from the i7, it's designed and tuned differently. Lastly I am worried that testing on just one sample of CPU, when you're showing data so close it's within margin of error, could really use another sample with random variance in its manufacturing to point out how much of the results is a fluke lining up with your i9 sample's quirks perfectly, instead showing which coolers rise and fall given a second sample of CPU (an i7?). That meaning if a cooler does good on one but not on another CPU, then results can be seen slightly more cautiously and in better context. (Not that this is a substitute for seeing content from multiple reviewers! But many reviewers are lagging behind and only testing on Ryzen 5000 or intel 10th gen! Kinda frustrating, the lack of reviewers using recent CPUs, honestly!) And I agree with what you said before, that i5 CPUs are easy to cool at stock. But the 13600K is interesting for being an unlocked i5, so maybe a short bonus section with an overclocked i5 K-series CPU might be interesting, for those who are buying it to OC. But it's more work to test it, and I'm not sure if it's as important as testing stock across an i9 and hopefully an i7 too.
I know it was a lot, but cannot thank you guys enough for doing these high-quality, thorough reviews on fans. They are EXTREMELY important, and most reviewers are simply happy with 'it works', which simply is not enoughm thank you for helping us make more informed decisions. 🖤
Wow, guys… what an awesome review! I haven’t seen your reviews in a while, but I am going to from this point forward. Very clear explanation, well displayed, easy to read graphs and great editorial of your testing methodology. Thanks!😊
This is great! Really looking forward to future cooler testing results. These results are surprising, and provide excellent insights into what to expect out of the box. I wonder how much better some of these would perform with an offset mounting kit.
Awesome review; love the cooler content from you guys. I know it probably won't happen, but I would have loved an AM4 version of this since now I'm questioning my Fuma 3 on my 5800x3d instead of having gone with a Thermalright..*sad face*
I'm really impressed and thankful for all your work. The part in the Intel roundup where you didn't accept that the TR-FS where better than the TR-TC even after retesting it several times, and then went out and bought new coolers to rule out the possibility of a bad sample, made me trust your work even more. Only thing I'm missing (or probably missed) is the thermal paste used. Is it the same for all coolers or is it the included one?. Though thermal paste almost doesn't make a difference these days, it would be interesting to see a long run test, and see if there's a difference after a year or more. There's that chinese test that burned the paste for 48H at 200C or something, and that shows very big differences, but I doubt that that is equivalent to running thermal paste for a year+.
@@HardwareCanucks I know it might sound a bit outdated, but many people are still on zen 3. I'd really love to see the various thermalright models being compared on the 5800X3D
Great review as always, listening to your viewers requests and showing the die issue with the Ryzen CPUs, resulting in poor performance in some coolers. Thanx for also including both AMD and Intel cooling testing in future videos.👌
I am a big proponent of CPU air coolers and glad to have found your video. I am running the Ryzen 9 7700x on an ASUS X670e along with a Radeon 7900xtx. Your point about heat from the GPU is spot on. To address this, I went with a case that had bottom mounted fans so I could bring fresh air directly to the GPU and leave the front/side mounted fans to provide air for the balance of the components. I am currently running an AIO however, I am moving to a CPU air cooler (Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE).
Would love to see low budget single-tower recommendations join this list as well. How does the ID-Cooling 224-XT or Thermalright Assassin King SE fare on AM5, for example? P.S. Extreme appreciation for all that you do for us! 😊
Thank you for the hard work, used it for my purchase. I upgraded from the AMD Prism the Phantom Spirit for a Ryzen 5 5600X3D. Idle went from: 33c to 26c, Heaviest load: 85c to 72c, Gaming: 75c to 62c, ambient room temp 21c. With the Phantom Spirit my clocks were maxed 4.35Ghz to 4.4Ghz while the Prism was often 4.1Ghz to 4.2Ghz. The overall case temp dropped as well lowering temps on the VRM, RAM, and GPU, almost 5c on average across the board so to speak. Thanks again, at $32 free shipping it was a beast of a deal.
Small correction for those who care, @ 2:06 he said that I.H.S. was an abbreviation of "internal heat sync" when it is an abbreviation of "integrated heat spreader"
Wow thank you sooooo much for this great video. The time, effort and care you put into each test really shows and we greatly appreciate it. I have the 7700x and recently installed the Fuma 3. While I like it, I felt like it was good, i felt like it could be better and this proved that there are better coolers. I personally like the look of the Fuma 3 over the phantom spirit, but the raw performance on the phantom spirit is making me question my decision. I may give the PS a shot after all. Thanks!
@@eimartin I'm using Asrock mobo. Pbo limits set to auto. pbo scalar ctrl set to auto. Max CPU boost clock override +200. Platform thermal throttle control set to auto. PBO Curve optimizer set to all core. All core negative 35. Also have a Ddr5 6000 cl36 ram overclocked to 6200 cl30 with FCLK 2100mhz and slightly better than buildzoids recommended sub timings
@@Ivan-xg1hx yeah definitely go for any Asrock b650 board. Just get the one that you can afford and has the features u want. they are all good even the cheap asrock b650m hdv/m.2 but that doesn't have rgb.
@@TheRealSkeletor well, I was actually in doubt between getting the FS and or the PS. This video just showed me the PS performs a little tiiiiny bit better so...
I went from a corsair h100i v1 240 rad AIO to my Noctua NH-D15. The performance is almost identical. Ryzen 7 58003DX idle at 40c-45c, a little warm yeah, but i never seen it go beyond 65c when gaming even on latest titles on ultra. Stressed tested at 100% load hitting 75c. Plus, the cooler is just a nice statement piece. Functionally, i like that theres less things to go wrong. AIO, you gotta worry about the pump, fans, potential leaks, inevitable corrosion of internals after years of use, and so on. Air cooler, you pretty much just gotta swap the fans, then you are back in business.
What I most respect about Noctua is the quality of their fans which they supply with their CPU coolers. I have an NH-D14 for about 12 years (if not longer) now. Working almost non-stop 24/7. And they are still like new, no weird noises, no nothing, I can barely hear them at full speed. All I ever do is clean them once in 4 months and that's all. I think if I ever buy a non-Noctua cooler, I'm still going to buy the fans from Noctua.
@@kosmosyche 100% agree. whenever i get new fans for any build or upgrade, i always go noctua. they last long, have good cooling, and are quiet. never had an issue with any of the 15 noctua fans i own. every single one i have still runs like new
Thanks a lot for the vid and all of the graphs. I was just going to ask for the Peerless assassin for my Birthday to cool my Ryzen 5 7600. Thanks to the vid i found the phantom spirit which is around $7 cheaper and cooled better. Not only is it better for the Ryzen 5 7600 but also for more expensive and powerful CPU's incase i want to upgrade and stick with the cooler. Thanks!
After viewing your video, I purchased the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB cooler for my Ryzen 7 7700. Thank you for the informative content. Keep up the excellent work; it's truly appreciated! 🙏🙏🙏
@@gugueta5 The TR PS 120 Se RGB proves to be an exceptional cooler, with the CPU reaching a maximum of 5.9 GHz during gaming, a surprising feat. Even under stress testing at all cores running at 5.4 GHz, it maintained temperatures below 83°C after disabling the PBO. It's undoubtedly a high-quality CPU cooler.
Super thorough! Amazing work. Thank you! I ended up getting the LT520 simply because it was on sale and the difference between the AK670 and the LT520 was negligible and gives a bit future proofing. If the price difference was wider I'd have ended up with the AK670 I think.
Thank you for this video, I came here just to get that type of info and happy to say I found exactly what I was looking for in the form of a practical recommendation!
As a Fuma 3 buyer from Southeast Asia that bought it based on looks, and begged my aunt to smuggle it from US (not available in my country) on her flight yesterday, I have to say you got me real good. Lucky my cpu is Ryzen 7600X and Fuma 3 should be more than enough for now 😂
Really appreciate the methodical approach. For my 7600 non X, the Thermalright U120EX is nothing short of spectacular. As expected, will vary depending on the case used, but any side intake case, as I tried the H9 Flow, O11D Evo, NV7 and the EK 360 aio won’t match the performance or the noise levels of the Thermalright paired to the Torrent case. Performance was good with the Fractal North, but the Torrent is the case for air cooling. Also would love to hear your opinion on the Thermalright TL-B12. That alone was a reason to going with the U120EX instead the Peerless Assassin. The Dark Rock Pro 4 falls way behind for modern AM5 CPUs.
Juat installed a Peerless Assassin on my 7600X. Only issue was the RAM was too high, so the front fan needs mounting slightly higher than the top of the radiator. Annoying for someone with OCD; luckily that's not me!
Excellent review as always. The Phantom Spirit has truly eclipsed the legendary Peerless Assassin. Now let's have a roundup of the top low-profile coolers against the 7000 non-X cpus, or at least the X-cpus in 65w eco mode.
@@HardwareCanucks Thanks. I've seen the video. Only 3 coolers were tested back then because as you said, a lot of the manufacturers have not yet adapted their LP coolers to AM5. Nine months later, maybe now they have, and we'd have new champs?
I wouldn't really use the wording eclipse unless they're similarly priced. The Phantom Spirit seems to command a 10 to 20% premium over the Peerless Assassin where I'm at which would make the PE120SE still the better option.
Turning into one of the best Tech Channels on RUclips……….aka……..The “ScreenSavers” from years back before RUclips. Love your channel and even sweeter that it’s Canadian.
Awesome testing, there's really only one thing I tend to miss in cooler tests and that's subjective audio characteristics of coolers. Do they produce more annoying frequency of sound for example? A pure db value doesn't touch on that at all since it's just raw noise output but one could be infinitely more pleasant to listen to but have higher total noise output. I can get why it's not tested much though because it's such a subjective thing, I just feel it's an important but very overlooked factor. I've had cheaper fans that are technically lower total volume but had things like awful noise/harmonics/vibration at specific rpm, or even ticking noises from the motors making them entirely unusable.
Would love to see a review of the Thermalright IS-100. Not exactly low profile at 100mm, but would be interesting to see how it performs against single towers like the Hyper 212 or AK400
Thanks for the video and emotions)) I’m choosing between Thermalright Frost Spirit and Thermalright Peerless Assassin. Which one will be more efficient and quieter for my I7-13700f?
Thank you for the great test, but please consider removing the Deepcool Assassin III from your charts. It's impossible to buy. When looking for a quiet cooler for gaming, I need to know which cooler can hold the best temperature at low noise levels (under 40db). Please keep the 38db normalized test. I want to run a silent 7700 non-X on stock clocks for 3-4 years. After that, I might switch to AIO cooling with Ryzen7 8800X3D or 9800X3D (whatever will be the best gaming CPU available at the end of the AM5 platform life). However, if I manage to catch a good deal on Black Friday, I might jump directly to 7800X3D.
One thing to note about the gap between the best and "worst" cooler in these charts though: once you're at the high 80C's that seemingly small difference can matter once you have your stuff inside a case with the GPU dumping heat in there through the kind of GPU coolers we have today, it might actually start to matter for noise levels ie you don't need to just not have to crank up the CPU cooler fan, you also might be able to not totally crank up the chassis fans. And something to consider for AMD: asymmetrical coolers like how Thermalright does them has one huge advantage of offsetting the tower away from the PCI-E slot where even on ATX these days you might either have the graphics card on the first slot or you have something other than the m.2 drive (it isn't just Asus sticking a sound card in there; Gigabyte has insane stacks there these days). You could theoretically move the Thermalright down with an offset mount and at least get the tower away from all this stuff and the graphics card backplate.
Just got back from buying a brand new never removed from the box Noctua D15 Black for $50. This will be my 4th D15 in the house. Paid $40 for a new D15 Silver, $60 for new D15 Silver and $80 for another but used D15 Black with White covers. Almost all my PC's have Noctua coolers now with a Wraith Prism in the shop PC and Vetroo V5 in my young kids pc. Noctua simply has the best long term support. For long term value vs cheaper brands. My air coolers with future socket kits will give me many years and I just need to swap a fan if one goes bad.
Thank you for your tests. I would also be interested to see how be quiet! coolers are doing. I like their coolers, and i have Pure Rock 2, and i would want to know - would it be enough to cool Ryzen 7600, or do i have to replace it, if i want to upgrade CPU. Thank you for your work again!
I know Userbenchmark isn't exactly the best way to analyze performance, but I personally had my 7800X3D perform in the 98th percentile with a completely stock setup using a Phantom Spirit 120. My DDR5 6000mhz was setup for CL30 as well, but besides that, I didn't make any adjustments. It was essentially a plug and play experience besides setting the RAM to EXPO. Very pleased with the results. On a different note, I was curious by the Frost Spirit 140 V3 results on the 7950X, as they seemed remarkable, but in other CPU tests, the Frost Spirit did not perform as well. I'm curious about that result...
I'm glad I bought the deepcool assassin iii back when im using my ryzen 5 3600, it cools that hot cpu very well. Since then i've upgraded to the ryzen 5 5600 and thank god the ihs is flat on that one, im only getting around 60c while gaming maintaining a boost clock of 4.45ghz with an undervolt of -30. The only minor gripe is that it's loud but I don't really hear it since i'm using an iem while gaming.
Finished my Ryzen 7600 build with a AK500 from deepcool. It’s fantastic for the price, keeps it cold in Starfield even with the RX 6950XT heating the case.
Phantom Spirit 120 (Non SE and not the RGB version) is what I definitely will get for my 7600x + RX 6800 combo, and to think I'd be jumping from Intel 4th gen and GTX 770m straight to AM5 build the jump is gonna be crazy like nothing else. So excited since I stopped gaming on late 2018/early 2019 since my GTX 770m couldn't handle any newer games.
Great information as expected at this point. I look forward to the wrench Intel's Arrow Lake and beyond CPUs throw into the cooling equation given that their cores are also going to be along the edge.
As always great video Mike. One request please if possible, can you test these coolers with an AM4 cpu (5000 series). Also awesome t-shirt are you expecting a baby???
@HardwareCanucks I'm planning to get the FS 140 v3 for my 5800x. Do you think the performance would be different than am5 .Also, congratulations to you and your wife , all the best. The air cooler race is growing!!!
Having an x3d chip (I have a 7800X3D) sure makes looking at coolers a lot less... fun?... important?... stressful?... I still really enjoyed the video!
*_Mike!_* . . if the shirt is accurate, then congratulations on being a new Dad !!! About the video: Excellent ! ! well done. I think with AM5 you need a cooler design that has the heat-pipes oriented top to bottom (from the perspective of looking at the motherboard in a standard, upright ATX configuration, thru the left side of the case, w/the I/O on the left.). Like the JONSBO HX6250 or, the Noctua NH-U12S or, the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. C . . . . just a theory.
I noticed in your Testing Methodology you list using Crucial Vengeance DDR5-5200 32GB (Running @ DDR5-5600) but in all your B-Roll you have a mix of G.skill Trident Z5 Neo or G.Skill Flare X5, Just curious which is actually being used in the testing? Also too for the Noctua Coolers you should try using the Offset Bracket Kits, the 7 MM Offset makes a HUGE difference for the 2 Noctua coolers in your list and would definitely make your NH-U12A look a bit better then what its showing now. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making these Tests, it;s much appreciated. I wish you had done the AM5 Tests earlier. But it is nice to see how everything Compares, I ended up going for a Noctua NH-U12A on my 7700X but I also bought the 7 MM Offset brackets and it really does put the pressure point pretty much Right on top of the CCD('s) vs the I/o die that the stock brackets have it on. It was definitely interesting to see the difference of the D15 to the U12A on AM5 Vs AM4 and other older processors from around the time of the U12A Launch roughly 4 years ago.
@@geniusDominick Thats what i ordered yesterday 😂 Its "value to price" looks insane, i will buy a 7800x3d under it with thermal grizzly kryonaut, i hope they are not gonna fail me ✌️
Have you ever talked to anyone at Thermalright about your Frost Commander problems if the Phantom Spirit works consistently better than the Peerless Assassin and it's essential the Same concept as the Frost Commander is to the Frost Spirit, I don't get why the Frost Commander consistently performs worse than the Frost Spirit. I know you said you bought a second unit on the Intel testing was it from the same retailer as the first unit and possibly from the same batch? It really sounds like Thermalright maybe should trade you out one of your samples for a new one and then do some investigation to see if there was a manufacturing flaw during a certain run of their coolers or something.
PS120 SE - $40 Cad! I use it to cool the 5800x3d. Along with Lancool 216 as case, I'm getting 30c idle, and 50c 1440p ultra playing Remnant 2. Crazy good!
Hi, Nice review as always. It would be nice to include the Noctua NH-D15 results with the Offset-mount kit, to see, how much it would help reducing the processor temperatures. Might give a kick in cooling the 7950X...
Noctua's offset mounting brackets are available, were they used for this testing? or was it default mounting? would love to see what difference it actually makes :) great video and very comprehensive graphs all around
Thanks for the Air Coolers reviews! the best ones on youtube! Could you get the ID-Cooling brand? Is a chinese brand that we usually can get in southamerica because of the price/performance. But never seen one comparation between thermalrigth and this brand. Thanks again!
Really great video. Seems like these are all pretty good cooler, so alot comes down to price, looks, compatibility, fan quality and maybe fan noise for the most demanding users. I have a Fuma 2 original on my sons 5700x and it is dead quiet, works great. I am using the PA 120 White on my 7900x and it is a bit louder when the CPU gets hotter. No problems with either. I'd like to see the FUMA 3 get more competitive on AMD because I really like the low noise and fan quality. For now, any new purchases would be PS 120, PA 120, AK620.
Of course I see this as soon as I have already purchased everything
Yup ...me too 🙄
But interesting just the same 👍😀
I bought mine yesterday 🗿
Well i got the notification 3h prior so I'm gonna watch it before ordering
Bought the AK620 on Sunday got lucky I guess.
@@nick4668sgl I returned it for ps120. The fans turned bad in 2 days.
Thank you for including clockspeeds (and even frame rates at the end!) on these charts. With the new CPU’s boosting until they hit a thermal or voltage limit, noise normalized testing that results in thermally throttled performance as we saw on a few of these coolers is completely useless. These fan charts are the best and most useful I’ve seen on RUclips, and I’m so glad you guys have the guts to do something other than 1-dimensional bar charts to convey really important information.
Thanks. It does take a lot more time but I think our approach will really win out in the end, especially with next year's CPUs and how they will behave. In the end, both Intel and AMD absolutely need to approach desktop performance like they approach laptop CPUs: allow every iota of performance within a thermal maximum.
I am newbie into the pc hardware fandom, would it be easier to indicate lower is better or higher is better, the graphs were really confusing.@@HardwareCanucks thanks.
@@HardwareCanucks It would be very cool to see wat will those cheap Thermalright coolers do if you slap high end fans on it.
@@Velocifyer Setting the CPU to a set speed would definitely be interesting for testing.
@@bekatabidze516 Phantom Spirit 120 EVO is their new model with their higher end fans.
This has been what I've been waiting for. I had been noticing a lot of cooler testing not really lining up with my experiences and it was purely because no one was testing the CPUs I have. One thing I am disappointed to not see was testing of offset mounts. I reckon those actually do make a noticeable difference.
We will be covering that in a separate video
@@HardwareCanucksI wished u used the Noctua offset temps as well since they did do that more so ryzen 7000 cpu but I'm using some on my ryzen 500 cpu
@@HardwareCanuckswhere is it
Gotta give love for giving us a plethora of benchmarks from high end to low profile coolers; you guys are the one-stop shop for the buyers' guide to choosing the right CPU cooler.
I have been waiting on such comparison from most of the YT channels to include both intel and AMD for cooler reviews. You guys are the first to do it! I found massive difference with temps while using coolers on AM5 specially with Arctic LF2 with their offset mounting bracket. Looking forward on 240 and 360mm AIO comparisons, strongly believe this is under progress behind the scene ;)
Just installed Artic LF2 280 with offset mount on a 5800X3D, my idle temps are less then 10 degrees higher then roomtemp (30-31). when i game temps rises only like 5-8 degrees lol. Havent heard the fans ramping up at one single time yet.
@ what was your previous cooler on the 5800x3D?
@@KingArturHawkwing the cheap noctua cooler with 1 90mm fan
@ I heard that AIO kit is in fact a top-notch performance unit and absolute at a bargain price (~120 $ on Amazon for the 360mm Kit in my country). The only complaint about it is the readiator thickness which is absurdly fat (+38mm while most of the AIO units measure 27mm) and make it incompatible to top-mount on many Mid-ATX cases. Other than that is hands down the best cou cooling system on the market.
@@cristianrodriguez-palancas6072 i thick, aye. i managed to put it in Fractal Design Meshify C TG Black.
No wonder Phantom Spirit does so well here, since thicker IHS makes strategic placement of heat pipes less relevant, while having 7 heat pipes covering more area becomes an advantage over other coolers.
Kinda insane that the Phantom Spirit is a 120mm CPU cooler instead of a 140mm. Love the sheer amount of testing and the large amount of coolers represented as well as an AIO example
Awesome and informative video, setting a very high standard for cpu cooler testing. Ended up getting the Peerless Assassin on your recommendation a year back and it's been performing great! Keep em coming c:
Good to hear its been amazing for you. :)
Really excellent testing here. I remember when you first started revamping testing a few years ago, and you (at least in categories like coolers) went from "whatever" sources to a primary one for me. So happy to see it
It never occurred to me to worry about how CPU coolers might differ from Intel to AMD chips. Now I know. Thanks Mike!
This multi-CPU testing approach is really good IMO. And re-visiting AMD with the latest coolers is very welcome. Thank you so much for all your effort!
This multi-CPU testing addresses my one lingering concern with your channel's otherwise amazing cooler reviews on Raptor Lake: wattage-limiting a 13900K isn't a super realistic simulation of an i7. i7 Has fewer physical cores so gives out more concentrated heat, 13900K has more wiggle room to dial in the frequencies "just so" across more cores to optimize perf per watt under the watt ceiling you set on the 13900K (so i7 may be less efficient on each core and therefore more hot/perform worse at same wattages), and i9 is binned better so it's more efficient once again. And of course the i9's boost behavior is just gonna be different from the i7, it's designed and tuned differently.
Lastly I am worried that testing on just one sample of CPU, when you're showing data so close it's within margin of error, could really use another sample with random variance in its manufacturing to point out how much of the results is a fluke lining up with your i9 sample's quirks perfectly, instead showing which coolers rise and fall given a second sample of CPU (an i7?). That meaning if a cooler does good on one but not on another CPU, then results can be seen slightly more cautiously and in better context. (Not that this is a substitute for seeing content from multiple reviewers! But many reviewers are lagging behind and only testing on Ryzen 5000 or intel 10th gen! Kinda frustrating, the lack of reviewers using recent CPUs, honestly!)
And I agree with what you said before, that i5 CPUs are easy to cool at stock. But the 13600K is interesting for being an unlocked i5, so maybe a short bonus section with an overclocked i5 K-series CPU might be interesting, for those who are buying it to OC. But it's more work to test it, and I'm not sure if it's as important as testing stock across an i9 and hopefully an i7 too.
I know it was a lot, but cannot thank you guys enough for doing these high-quality, thorough reviews on fans. They are EXTREMELY important, and most reviewers are simply happy with 'it works', which simply is not enoughm thank you for helping us make more informed decisions. 🖤
Wow, guys… what an awesome review! I haven’t seen your reviews in a while, but I am going to from this point forward. Very clear explanation, well displayed, easy to read graphs and great editorial of your testing methodology. Thanks!😊
This is great! Really looking forward to future cooler testing results. These results are surprising, and provide excellent insights into what to expect out of the box. I wonder how much better some of these would perform with an offset mounting kit.
Awesome review; love the cooler content from you guys. I know it probably won't happen, but I would have loved an AM4 version of this since now I'm questioning my Fuma 3 on my 5800x3d instead of having gone with a Thermalright..*sad face*
Thanks a lot! I've been following Hardware Canucks for quite a long time, but in recent years you really step up your games. Well done!.
This is insanely perfect timing! Buying an air cooler for my 7700x this week!
Thank you for the Ryzen CPU coolers test! Watching this on my 7800X3D and TR PS120 SE feels satisfying :)
I'm really impressed and thankful for all your work. The part in the Intel roundup where you didn't accept that the TR-FS where better than the TR-TC even after retesting it several times, and then went out and bought new coolers to rule out the possibility of a bad sample, made me trust your work even more. Only thing I'm missing (or probably missed) is the thermal paste used. Is it the same for all coolers or is it the included one?.
Though thermal paste almost doesn't make a difference these days, it would be interesting to see a long run test, and see if there's a difference after a year or more. There's that chinese test that burned the paste for 48H at 200C or something, and that shows very big differences, but I doubt that that is equivalent to running thermal paste for a year+.
You are actually very right. I completely forgot to add the thermal paste to the methodology. It's AC MX-5.
@@HardwareCanucks I know it might sound a bit outdated, but many people are still on zen 3. I'd really love to see the various thermalright models being compared on the 5800X3D
this is the very reason why i like your channel! we appreciate you guys 💪🏻😁 quality content yet again!
Great review as always, listening to your viewers requests and showing the die issue with the Ryzen CPUs, resulting in poor performance in some coolers. Thanx for also including both AMD and Intel cooling testing in future videos.👌
I am a big proponent of CPU air coolers and glad to have found your video. I am running the Ryzen 9 7700x on an ASUS X670e along with a Radeon 7900xtx. Your point about heat from the GPU is spot on. To address this, I went with a case that had bottom mounted fans so I could bring fresh air directly to the GPU and leave the front/side mounted fans to provide air for the balance of the components. I am currently running an AIO however, I am moving to a CPU air cooler (Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE).
Would love to see low budget single-tower recommendations join this list as well. How does the ID-Cooling 224-XT or Thermalright Assassin King SE fare on AM5, for example?
P.S. Extreme appreciation for all that you do for us! 😊
Thank you for the hard work, used it for my purchase. I upgraded from the AMD Prism the Phantom Spirit for a Ryzen 5 5600X3D.
Idle went from: 33c to 26c, Heaviest load: 85c to 72c, Gaming: 75c to 62c, ambient room temp 21c. With the Phantom Spirit my clocks were maxed 4.35Ghz to 4.4Ghz while the Prism was often 4.1Ghz to 4.2Ghz. The overall case temp dropped as well lowering temps on the VRM, RAM, and GPU, almost 5c on average across the board so to speak. Thanks again, at $32 free shipping it was a beast of a deal.
Amazing and in depth video, thank you for doing so much testing and presenting it in a clear and informative way!
Small correction for those who care, @ 2:06 he said that I.H.S. was an abbreviation of "internal heat sync" when it is an abbreviation of "integrated heat spreader"
Man, you're the best!! Thank you a ton for your efforts!
Wow thank you sooooo much for this great video. The time, effort and care you put into each test really shows and we greatly appreciate it. I have the 7700x and recently installed the Fuma 3. While I like it, I felt like it was good, i felt like it could be better and this proved that there are better coolers. I personally like the look of the Fuma 3 over the phantom spirit, but the raw performance on the phantom spirit is making me question my decision. I may give the PS a shot after all. Thanks!
Make sure you set your pbo setting in bios. I got my 7700x 5.5ghz all core with -35 pbo on a hyper 212
@@XxXTMillzXxX Wow that's pretty darn good for the Hyper 212! Did you leave PPT and thermal limits alone and just do the -35 PBO curve?
@@eimartin I'm using Asrock mobo. Pbo limits set to auto. pbo scalar ctrl set to auto. Max CPU boost clock override +200. Platform thermal throttle control set to auto. PBO Curve optimizer set to all core. All core negative 35. Also have a Ddr5 6000 cl36 ram overclocked to 6200 cl30 with FCLK 2100mhz and slightly better than buildzoids recommended sub timings
@@XxXTMillzXxXif you dont mind me asking, which asrock mobo series u bought? I want to buy a b650 but confused on which one to choose.
@@Ivan-xg1hx yeah definitely go for any Asrock b650 board. Just get the one that you can afford and has the features u want. they are all good even the cheap asrock b650m hdv/m.2 but that doesn't have rgb.
Phantom spirit is the best cooler hands down.
Looks like it was beat by the Frost Spirit V3 in several of these tests!
@@TheRealSkeletor not in AM5
@@guiT39 This video showed that it is.
@@TheRealSkeletor well, I was actually in doubt between getting the FS and or the PS. This video just showed me the PS performs a little tiiiiny bit better so...
@@TheRealSkeletor Name a single one. I think you don't know how to read these graphs.
I went from a corsair h100i v1 240 rad AIO to my Noctua NH-D15. The performance is almost identical. Ryzen 7 58003DX idle at 40c-45c, a little warm yeah, but i never seen it go beyond 65c when gaming even on latest titles on ultra. Stressed tested at 100% load hitting 75c. Plus, the cooler is just a nice statement piece. Functionally, i like that theres less things to go wrong. AIO, you gotta worry about the pump, fans, potential leaks, inevitable corrosion of internals after years of use, and so on. Air cooler, you pretty much just gotta swap the fans, then you are back in business.
What I most respect about Noctua is the quality of their fans which they supply with their CPU coolers. I have an NH-D14 for about 12 years (if not longer) now. Working almost non-stop 24/7. And they are still like new, no weird noises, no nothing, I can barely hear them at full speed. All I ever do is clean them once in 4 months and that's all. I think if I ever buy a non-Noctua cooler, I'm still going to buy the fans from Noctua.
@@kosmosyche 100% agree. whenever i get new fans for any build or upgrade, i always go noctua. they last long, have good cooling, and are quiet. never had an issue with any of the 15 noctua fans i own. every single one i have still runs like new
Thanks a lot for the vid and all of the graphs. I was just going to ask for the Peerless assassin for my Birthday to cool my Ryzen 5 7600. Thanks to the vid i found the phantom spirit which is around $7 cheaper and cooled better. Not only is it better for the Ryzen 5 7600 but also for more expensive and powerful CPU's incase i want to upgrade and stick with the cooler. Thanks!
Thanks for the review roundup, came at just the right time for me and has given me a better idea of what solution I need. Good video.
After viewing your video, I purchased the Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE ARGB cooler for my Ryzen 7 7700. Thank you for the informative content. Keep up the excellent work; it's truly appreciated! 🙏🙏🙏
How is PS 120 SE performing?
@@gugueta5 The TR PS 120 Se RGB proves to be an exceptional cooler, with the CPU reaching a maximum of 5.9 GHz during gaming, a surprising feat. Even under stress testing at all cores running at 5.4 GHz, it maintained temperatures below 83°C after disabling the PBO. It's undoubtedly a high-quality CPU cooler.
@@MahbubVai Is AG620 DeepCool good? At the moment, it`s costing the same as PS 120 here.
@@gugueta5 I haven't use it, so I can't provide feedback or constructive information. If it appeals to you, feel free to buy it
how is the perfomance under full load
I'd like to hear more about memory clearance and how that effects actual tower height when you have to raise the fan to clear memory.
And which memory will clear which fans.
Super thorough! Amazing work. Thank you! I ended up getting the LT520 simply because it was on sale and the difference between the AK670 and the LT520 was negligible and gives a bit future proofing. If the price difference was wider I'd have ended up with the AK670 I think.
Thanks for such informative video!
Please consider big round-up for low-profile coolers on both Intel and AMD platforms with recent new models)
Thank you for this video, I came here just to get that type of info and happy to say I found exactly what I was looking for in the form of a practical recommendation!
Doing the lords work right here. Ty for all that testing ❤
PSA: IHS = Integrated Heat Spreader
Just a little FYI. But LOVED the video! 👍
Yeah realized that flub after the fact.
FINALLY!!! INSTANT LIKE! Would have loved to have an AM4 cpu tossed into this mix aswell though!
Ive been on the ak620 for awhile now, maybe its time for an upgrade hehe. Thank you for doing this!
As a Fuma 3 buyer from Southeast Asia that bought it based on looks, and begged my aunt to smuggle it from US (not available in my country) on her flight yesterday, I have to say you got me real good. Lucky my cpu is Ryzen 7600X and Fuma 3 should be more than enough for now 😂
I just bought it for my 7600x how’s it been for you any issues? should i return it for something else or no?
Really appreciate the methodical approach. For my 7600 non X, the Thermalright U120EX is nothing short of spectacular. As expected, will vary depending on the case used, but any side intake case, as I tried the H9 Flow, O11D Evo, NV7 and the EK 360 aio won’t match the performance or the noise levels of the Thermalright paired to the Torrent case. Performance was good with the Fractal North, but the Torrent is the case for air cooling. Also would love to hear your opinion on the Thermalright TL-B12. That alone was a reason to going with the U120EX instead the Peerless Assassin. The Dark Rock Pro 4 falls way behind for modern AM5 CPUs.
Juat installed a Peerless Assassin on my 7600X. Only issue was the RAM was too high, so the front fan needs mounting slightly higher than the top of the radiator. Annoying for someone with OCD; luckily that's not me!
Excellent review as always. The Phantom Spirit has truly eclipsed the legendary Peerless Assassin. Now let's have a roundup of the top low-profile coolers against the 7000 non-X cpus, or at least the X-cpus in 65w eco mode.
Definitely would love to see low profile coolers tested!
I did a full video about this here: ruclips.net/video/dqzqF9RBVvk/видео.html
@@HardwareCanucks Thanks. I've seen the video. Only 3 coolers were tested back then because as you said, a lot of the manufacturers have not yet adapted their LP coolers to AM5. Nine months later, maybe now they have, and we'd have new champs?
I wouldn't really use the wording eclipse unless they're similarly priced. The Phantom Spirit seems to command a 10 to 20% premium over the Peerless Assassin where I'm at which would make the PE120SE still the better option.
nice, I bought the PA120 after watching one of your videos
I think Mike is trying to say something with his T-shirt...
Congratulations, Mike!
Thanks!
Thank you for this exhaustive test on AM5.
Turning into one of the best Tech Channels on RUclips……….aka……..The “ScreenSavers” from years back before RUclips. Love your channel and even sweeter that it’s Canadian.
Awesome testing, there's really only one thing I tend to miss in cooler tests and that's subjective audio characteristics of coolers. Do they produce more annoying frequency of sound for example? A pure db value doesn't touch on that at all since it's just raw noise output but one could be infinitely more pleasant to listen to but have higher total noise output. I can get why it's not tested much though because it's such a subjective thing, I just feel it's an important but very overlooked factor.
I've had cheaper fans that are technically lower total volume but had things like awful noise/harmonics/vibration at specific rpm, or even ticking noises from the motors making them entirely unusable.
Would love to see a review of the Thermalright IS-100. Not exactly low profile at 100mm, but would be interesting to see how it performs against single towers like the Hyper 212 or AK400
Love your reviews. You have very clear and pleasant way of reviewing
Thanks for the video and emotions)) I’m choosing between Thermalright Frost Spirit and Thermalright Peerless Assassin. Which one will be more efficient and quieter for my I7-13700f?
Thank you for the great test, but please consider removing the Deepcool Assassin III from your charts. It's impossible to buy.
When looking for a quiet cooler for gaming, I need to know which cooler can hold the best temperature at low noise levels (under 40db). Please keep the 38db normalized test.
I want to run a silent 7700 non-X on stock clocks for 3-4 years. After that, I might switch to AIO cooling with Ryzen7 8800X3D or 9800X3D (whatever will be the best gaming CPU available at the end of the AM5 platform life). However, if I manage to catch a good deal on Black Friday, I might jump directly to 7800X3D.
The Assassin III is still available but I hear you.
One thing to note about the gap between the best and "worst" cooler in these charts though: once you're at the high 80C's that seemingly small difference can matter once you have your stuff inside a case with the GPU dumping heat in there through the kind of GPU coolers we have today, it might actually start to matter for noise levels ie you don't need to just not have to crank up the CPU cooler fan, you also might be able to not totally crank up the chassis fans.
And something to consider for AMD: asymmetrical coolers like how Thermalright does them has one huge advantage of offsetting the tower away from the PCI-E slot where even on ATX these days you might either have the graphics card on the first slot or you have something other than the m.2 drive (it isn't just Asus sticking a sound card in there; Gigabyte has insane stacks there these days). You could theoretically move the Thermalright down with an offset mount and at least get the tower away from all this stuff and the graphics card backplate.
Good job with the testing, much appreciated! 🎉
Just got back from buying a brand new never removed from the box Noctua D15 Black for $50. This will be my 4th D15 in the house. Paid $40 for a new D15 Silver, $60 for new D15 Silver and $80 for another but used D15 Black with White covers. Almost all my PC's have Noctua coolers now with a Wraith Prism in the shop PC and Vetroo V5 in my young kids pc.
Noctua simply has the best long term support. For long term value vs cheaper brands. My air coolers with future socket kits will give me many years and I just need to swap a fan if one goes bad.
Great benchmark and dedication for a video
Just purchased the PS120SE for a 5900x, this video confirmed this cooler will be more than enough to handle it
Thank you for your tests. I would also be interested to see how be quiet! coolers are doing. I like their coolers, and i have Pure Rock 2, and i would want to know - would it be enough to cool Ryzen 7600, or do i have to replace it, if i want to upgrade CPU. Thank you for your work again!
I know Userbenchmark isn't exactly the best way to analyze performance, but I personally had my 7800X3D perform in the 98th percentile with a completely stock setup using a Phantom Spirit 120. My DDR5 6000mhz was setup for CL30 as well, but besides that, I didn't make any adjustments. It was essentially a plug and play experience besides setting the RAM to EXPO. Very pleased with the results.
On a different note, I was curious by the Frost Spirit 140 V3 results on the 7950X, as they seemed remarkable, but in other CPU tests, the Frost Spirit did not perform as well. I'm curious about that result...
I'm glad I bought the deepcool assassin iii back when im using my ryzen 5 3600, it cools that hot cpu very well. Since then i've upgraded to the ryzen 5 5600 and thank god the ihs is flat on that one, im only getting around 60c while gaming maintaining a boost clock of 4.45ghz with an undervolt of -30. The only minor gripe is that it's loud but I don't really hear it since i'm using an iem while gaming.
Thanks you Mike! Your testing has helped me out a lot!
Finished my Ryzen 7600 build with a AK500 from deepcool. It’s fantastic for the price, keeps it cold in Starfield even with the RX 6950XT heating the case.
What are the Temps looking like on your 6950xt when playing Starfield?
Peerless assassin dang
Phantom Spirit though is so good
honestly watched the ad read, i would love to see more be quiet! here ngl
couldn't agree more
Phantom Spirit 120 (Non SE and not the RGB version) is what I definitely will get for my 7600x + RX 6800 combo, and to think I'd be jumping from Intel 4th gen and GTX 770m straight to AM5 build the jump is gonna be crazy like nothing else. So excited since I stopped gaming on late 2018/early 2019 since my GTX 770m couldn't handle any newer games.
Thank you so much for your efforts into creating such an informative video that'll help lots of people ❤
Thanks for the info about the issues the AM5 DIE positioning causes, I was going to buy the NH DH15 but now i think ill go with the Phantom
Mike is always Ryzen to the challenge with these videos. I appreciate the passion.
boooo
@@DeadPiixxel 🍅
You could use a Be Quiet just for a representation, and show the wattage per CPU, as you usually do in the graphs.
Nice video overall
Wattage is highly dependent on temperatures so it becomes a wash.
Great information as expected at this point. I look forward to the wrench Intel's Arrow Lake and beyond CPUs throw into the cooling equation given that their cores are also going to be along the edge.
Amazing video. Does this mean a phantom spirit 120 should be able to get 100% usage out of the 7950x3d?
super video. thanks a bunch Mike and Hardware Canuck's team
As always great video Mike. One request please if possible, can you test these coolers with an AM4 cpu (5000 series). Also awesome t-shirt are you expecting a baby???
I don't think we will go backwards and test with Ryzen 5000. Yeah expecting another. :)
@HardwareCanucks I'm planning to get the FS 140 v3 for my 5800x. Do you think the performance would be different than am5 .Also, congratulations to you and your wife , all the best. The air cooler race is growing!!!
Having an x3d chip (I have a 7800X3D) sure makes looking at coolers a lot less... fun?... important?... stressful?... I still really enjoyed the video!
Thanks for doing various CPUs ... was not much data available for 7950x and Phantom Spirit 120SE.
Love your content always shot so beautifully
*_Mike!_* . . if the shirt is accurate, then congratulations on being a new Dad !!!
About the video: Excellent ! ! well done. I think with AM5 you need a cooler design that has the heat-pipes oriented top to bottom (from the perspective of looking at the motherboard in a standard, upright ATX configuration, thru the left side of the case, w/the I/O on the left.). Like the JONSBO HX6250 or, the Noctua NH-U12S or, the Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. C . . . . just a theory.
Best channels, love my Phantom Spirit for my 5800x3d 😊. Better than my NH-D15 💪
I noticed in your Testing Methodology you list using Crucial Vengeance DDR5-5200 32GB (Running @ DDR5-5600) but in all your B-Roll you have a mix of G.skill Trident Z5 Neo or G.Skill Flare X5, Just curious which is actually being used in the testing? Also too for the Noctua Coolers you should try using the Offset Bracket Kits, the 7 MM Offset makes a HUGE difference for the 2 Noctua coolers in your list and would definitely make your NH-U12A look a bit better then what its showing now. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making these Tests, it;s much appreciated. I wish you had done the AM5 Tests earlier. But it is nice to see how everything Compares, I ended up going for a Noctua NH-U12A on my 7700X but I also bought the 7 MM Offset brackets and it really does put the pressure point pretty much Right on top of the CCD('s) vs the I/o die that the stock brackets have it on. It was definitely interesting to see the difference of the D15 to the U12A on AM5 Vs AM4 and other older processors from around the time of the U12A Launch roughly 4 years ago.
The b roll isn't done in our main test system. That remains in the testing lab.
Thank you for this round up. Trying to find a Air cooler for refreshing an Esports Arena computers.
I just started building a new AM5 PC....This could not be a more perfectly timed video, Thanks
What did you get? And how its working?
@@MrVadallat Thermalright PS120SE, no issues
@@geniusDominick Thats what i ordered yesterday 😂 Its "value to price" looks insane, i will buy a 7800x3d under it with thermal grizzly kryonaut, i hope they are not gonna fail me ✌️
Have you ever talked to anyone at Thermalright about your Frost Commander problems if the Phantom Spirit works consistently better than the Peerless Assassin and it's essential the Same concept as the Frost Commander is to the Frost Spirit, I don't get why the Frost Commander consistently performs worse than the Frost Spirit. I know you said you bought a second unit on the Intel testing was it from the same retailer as the first unit and possibly from the same batch? It really sounds like Thermalright maybe should trade you out one of your samples for a new one and then do some investigation to see if there was a manufacturing flaw during a certain run of their coolers or something.
Thank you for this valuable extensive testing!
I just wish you would have tested Arctic as well. ^^
Thanks for the hard work!
Excellent review as always
PS120 SE - $40 Cad! I use it to cool the 5800x3d. Along with Lancool 216 as case, I'm getting 30c idle, and 50c 1440p ultra playing Remnant 2. Crazy good!
Great video, and I appreciate the distinction between intel and amd, and the generation as well as these clearly all make a difference
Hi, Nice review as always. It would be nice to include the Noctua NH-D15 results with the Offset-mount kit, to see, how much it would help reducing the processor temperatures. Might give a kick in cooling the 7950X...
We are doing a separate video for the offset mounts.
@@HardwareCanucks when should we expect this video?
Amazing work, thanks for sharing!
YOU ALREADY HAVE MY LIKE AND MY SUB thanks because is a lot of work
Phantom Spirit with 120mm fan is doing some voodoo magic.
Still, can't go wrong with D15.
Yes you can't go wrong with the $120 cooler that loses to several $40 budget options. The mindshare that Noctua has on people is insane.
Yeah they're doing something nuts. So much so that we burnt the most amount of time resting because of that one cooler.
thank you for this in depth review it is awesome! :)
im buying TR PS 120 SE because of these :)
NHD-15 for my 7800X3D defiantly overkill. And I like that! Dont think Ive ever seen it hit 80c with a undervolted 4070ti. Good info.
Noctua's offset mounting brackets are available, were they used for this testing? or was it default mounting? would love to see what difference it actually makes :)
great video and very comprehensive graphs all around
Nope. We test only in stock configuration. Like with Intel; we don't use a contact frame for those.
I'm curious too to know if they make a difference or not as those CCD aren't centered
@@HardwareCanucks thanks for the answer ! Are there any resources anywhere to see the potential uplift? Or is it too recent to have that kind of data
Awesome test as usual, thanks :)
Just what I needed before sleeping (I have the Phantom Spirit!)
Then you also have validation. ;)
Thanks for the Air Coolers reviews! the best ones on youtube! Could you get the ID-Cooling brand? Is a chinese brand that we usually can get in southamerica because of the price/performance. But never seen one comparation between thermalrigth and this brand. Thanks again!
A review of some of their new coolers is coming in October.
Really great video. Seems like these are all pretty good cooler, so alot comes down to price, looks, compatibility, fan quality and maybe fan noise for the most demanding users. I have a Fuma 2 original on my sons 5700x and it is dead quiet, works great. I am using the PA 120 White on my 7900x and it is a bit louder when the CPU gets hotter. No problems with either. I'd like to see the FUMA 3 get more competitive on AMD because I really like the low noise and fan quality. For now, any new purchases would be PS 120, PA 120, AK620.