That's because it's an engineer talking directly to the CEO. If it was an engineer talking to someone in QC/QA it would be a completely different conversation.
Mad props for them giving Linus unit 69, and Jay unit number 2 (despite this definitely being worth more than 2 cents). That's some fine attention to detail!
My anxiety level had reached all time high watching Linus delidded the CPU with heatspreader and hammer, and the frantic during the temp spike was just cherry on top
I like to think that it gives people enough confidence to build their first PC. If these components can withstand the LTT gauntlet, then it can withstand being put together normally.
@@georgkuhn3986 yeah his v1 is no longer a thing and he didn't mention anything about anything of a v2 but im dropping intel and asus so I will no longer need to delid
@@LegacyNiNJA I am still happily running a delided 9900ks among my systems but I barely use it anymore. Ryzen is just too strong. But you're right. Intel seems to have lost its magic and single core performance edge to bad decisions and sloppy fabs.
Linus has gotten me over the fear of breaking computer components. Just look at how they survive Linus. It should become a marketing sticker or something EDIT: I'm not saying to mishandle parts, but at least I don't feel like I need to use Muslin gloves
Before I saw this I had already watched that moment 3 times. That combined with several moments from the rest of this video, and the overall feel of, it seems like they got a new editor or someone in the production team. This one just seems very different from the other videos.
You need to add a pressure bypass valve on the chiller output. Doesn't have to be fancy. A simple spring-loaded unit will work fine so long as it's an adjustable type. It'll keep flow going to the CPU block, but bleed excess pressure back to the chiller return. That way you won't have to worry about overpressure killing gaskets or blowing out a water block seal. Easier on the chiller, too. It's funny watching you scramble when water sprays everywhere, but the building & operations manager in me winces every time it happens
I'm not a fan of putting liquids anywhere near the inside of my computer, but this newer generation of CPUs has me thinking that air cooling might not actually be viable for much longer when it comes to higher mid-tier CPUs and better. Everything's just running hotter nowadays. Figured I might as well start paying more attention, and this is exactly the kind of tidbit of information that could save me hours of trouble in the future. Thanks for that.
@@trajectoryunown my friend, unless you plan on buying that refrigerator sized industrial water chiller they are using, the pressure provided by normal water loop pumps is nothing to worry about!
@@trajectoryunown well most people are gonna be pretty fine with an aio or a thermsyphon to cool there cpu this only ever gonna be useful for a very very nieche audience/market.
@@ABaumstumpf also have to understand that windows 11 and intel are directly working with eachother so it better preform better and with double the cores too.
@@stookla4942 " that windows 11 and intel are directly working with eachother" So? And AMD and Microsoft and AMD with Apple and Nvidia with Tesla etc...
@15:43 - 20% increase in performance at the cost of OVER 250% more power draw on the package. Would laugh to see the power to performance graphs on this, with the chiller power added in there as well.
The reason, in my book, that Linus has been successful is that he legitimately loves this stuff, it shows, and is infectious. The people around him now clearly love it too. I have watched since the early days, and it has almost always been a joy to behold.
@@killerdude151 I remember Alex saying during his extreme tech upgrade that having a couple hours of Linus' time is SO nice. The gang loves him and it's nice to see how successful this has all been. I love that in his build stuff he always explains stuff just so people who want to build their own computers know what's going on.
JayzTwoCents took 27 attempts with the delidding tool. Also he noted that Roman's version that he showed off on his channel delids sideways, not lengthwise.
the one that goes the other way is because it was 13th gen only, or at least that is what he said in that video... the kit that you get from EK is for 12th and 13th so it goes the way it does... he also said that in the video as well. He also said you can use a bit of heat to help too...
@@fade2black001 because a lot of people watch him and may think that's an OK way to do things. Also, I would say it was a miracle it worked at all but it turns out it actually wasn't faster. They replied somewhere else that they actually edited out all of the other cycles and only went manual after a ton of cycles. So now the situation is that the video portrays this as a way that might work faster when the actuality is that it almost certainly would break the chip if you tried to pry it off after a couple of cycles.
I love your pun on Direct-Die Waterblock As a note, you may want to switch your water blocks to be in parallel with that much water velocity and pressure. Possibly add a pressure relief bypass.
Linus' face at 12:48 is one of my favorite moments of this month. Overall, this makes me pretty excited for the future. Very excited for 14th, 15th, and 16th gen parts and how we can watercool those being a person that wants to use 16th gen parts for his next build.
I agree. That being said I am less afraid of direct die than most due to a combination of dealing with old PCs and modern laptops where direct die is the norm.
@@TheBuhrewnoShow It would also make for a great "performance package" where the CPU is supplied with like this cooler instead of a default lid. It makes sense that they need to ship these insane CPUs prepared for water cooling. Like "this is top of the line performance, air cooling won't work, period, get a water cooled system" or something like that.
@@TheWinjin That's a great idea - market an 'extreme' brand of each chip that comes delidded from the factory. I'm sure they'd be able to charge another $200 for it.
@@TheBuhrewnoShow would it even be considered deliddled if it comes pre-liddled with liquid metal and one of these bad bois from the factory? You'd even get to keep the factory warranty!
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Alex and Linus never disappoint with their janky and chaotic cooling projects.
This is absolutely not janky or chaotic. It's about as professional as you can get. At least with the case they are using which is not designed for an external cooler.
They did however pull a bait and switch in the thumbnail, putting in a pic of one of the best selling coolers on the market and saying “this could kill your cpu” and then never actually showing that cooler
The delidding part of this video was so suspenseful I didn't realize I was slowly tilting my bowl of soup that I was holding and spilled it all over myself.
@@Lowkas If it's ElmorLabs, then it's a PMD (power measurement device). It lets you measure the voltage, current, and power running through the cpu and gpu cables.
@@Lowkas ElmorLabs is a team that has specialized in cooling CPUs with liquid nitrogen and liquid helium, including being the first people to get a CPU to 9 GHz.
Very, very painful to watch and i'm dying with laughter right now too... after all that effort... they got 37334 on a direct die custom waterloop!... I get 37393 on average on a 7950X with 360 LF2 AIO which is not even being utilised 100% due to the one of the fans being at angle due to the VRM heatsink. Sure, they can get higher if the tuned the ram and settings in the bios but all that money and effort... for such diminishing gain 🤣🤣🤣.
Hi linus and team , great job . Although let me tell u guys something, i work as a engineer on uk , sorting water loops and systems to power plants, pharmaceutical companies as well aeronautics. I believe you should get some control of your water there specially with all that copper laying around . I advise you to get a softener that later you can use for ur appliances and if you can an ro will be perfect as you will get water around 10uS (micro siemens) not being to corrosive . If you cant get an ro just remove the hardness of the water with the softener and they hook up a small mix bed to remove the contamination ❤
When Linus goes off script while explaining something, like he did with explaining why GPUs typically don't have an IHS, he talks so fast and is so well-spoken. I don't know if playing doofas sometimes is for the camera, but in those scenes, we can see how he, along with Yvonne, created a company worth over a $100 million in a few short years. I've also noticed this in some of the long form, live-stream build videos. It's like this genius comes out for a few bursts and then goes back into hiding. It's really awesome to see.
Those old Athlons with ceramic packaging were very prone to die cracking, since the ceramic base had *zero* flex to give in and any over pressure of the heat-sink would start chipping corners and edges from the brittle silicon crystal.
Yeah, coupled with a very little die. Any pressure concentrated on an edge and you'd easily chip the die. The mounting hardware of the time didn't help either... (Single spring clip, essentially forcing an unknowing user to load one side in a rocking manner).
@@tz8785 I would take the pads from dead ones and put them on my replacement chips. 8 is better than 4 at distributing the force and so on 😂 I had a duron with the entire perimeter with pads
Ahh. This takes me back to 2005, remembering building my first PC, with 2500+ Athlon XP. Applying Arctic Silver thermal paste directly onto the die with a disposable razor. Having a friend help me who had built about 2 systems more than I had. Installing SATA drivers at BIOS level...
Not sure if I misunderstood: Did you try going back and forth with the Delidder? Because that´s the way it is meant to be used. Even Roman showed multiple times that it can take a while. So, folks: Please don´t try to delid a cpu in the way shown in this video. Yeah, I know, more fun to watch, no hard feelings ;)
I feel like this would be a really cool service to have as a system-integrator. As a hardware enthusiast I could definately see myself wanting this someday but I am sure as heck not voiding my warranty for it.
LOL you do realize you'd STILL be voiding your hardware warranty if a SI did it, right? AMD/Intel doesn't care who delidded the CPU, they're not going to replace it. Also any SI that did offer a delidding would tell you that if your CPU dies after you receive it because of the delidding they are not liable, otherwise they wouldn't offer it as it's too much liability.
I love videos showing the extreme end of things, like cooling in this one. Me, I just used a good AIO, good airflow, and an aluminum CPU bracket. Runs quite cool. But then again, I'm running a 13th gen i7 with a mild overclock, not an insane i9 clocked to over 9000. And, holy cow, that Cinebench score. Insane.
No.. it's not. I'm getting the same score with on a 7950X with LF2 AIO, negative curve optimiser, custom core boost at 5555 Mhz and with multiple things running as well as hwinfo.
Always the same with these videos - even their normal reviews already run the CPU with insanely stupid auto-overclocks. Was funny when i got my hands on an i5 12600K and set it up for an office-PC - B660M (did test it on Z690 as well). Slight tweaks and now it doesn't even reach 95W in cinebench, even with all the other benchmarks i threw at it it never exceeded 100W and max temperature was like 60°C. And that is with close to 17k point in CB23.
If you want to get a performance boost and not go through all this. Look up how to undervolt it. I changed my voltage on my i7 13700k because same issue. HEAT! I have a 360 custom water loop and I couldn't get it to pull heat fast enough just as they described. With no overclocking experience I learned how to change the voltage offset on my motherboard to -.035 and let me tell you. WOW what a difference. I don't go over 80C now when benchmarking. Before when I gamed I ran at 75 to 80c now I barely touch 67C in high end demanding new games. I have an rtx 4090 that pushes everything ti the max. I saw NO performance loss and my benchmark scores actually went UP because I wasn't thermal throttling at 100C anymore. Hope this helps someone. Do your research on your specific motherboard and only make small changes to undervolting. Also make sure it is a NEGATIVE offset so it doesn't overvolt! Linus please do a video showing people this!
World class editing, also Linus not using manuals again (delid process is wrong, you supposed to cycle it many times to cause fatigue to the silicon glue).
its actually not that hard all you need is a $5 delid tool. Ek idk why but it's the crappiest delid tool kit in history. An expert nitrogen overclocker showed him being super careful and ended up breaking it.
Actually an impressive result. Both in performance and the insane power draw needed to make it happen. Though when Linus was banging on that CPU I was expecting the substrate to crack lol
This is way above my skill level and needs as a pc enthusiast, but it's definitely fascinating. Der8auer has designed an incredible toolset for delidding processors. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up being a major player in the overall processor world sooner rather than later.
Watching you guys is like watching a modern version of Tim Allen's Tool Time from the sitcom Home Improvement. You even have Al's plaid shirt on the straight man! Time to see you overclock smart appliances!
Good thing it didn't last for days, at least. Still, that description still has trace amounts of that hijacker. Funnily enough, it's on top of the BitDefender sponsored link.
The channel kinda reorganized itself now, like i saw some videos that weren't supposed to be seen and in 2 seconds they were gone but the channel now is fixed. Hope linus can get a good sleep tonight cuz today sure was an stressful day 😢
Actually, what had me terrified to liquid cool my gpu's originally was an article where the people who wrote it had cracked their gpu die twice when trying to install the water block. CPU's seemed easy enough since they had the IHS at the time. I didn't liquid cool my gpu until I got my 1080TI. Even then I was nervous as hell.
When I (mis)read the title as "This cooler could KILL you", I was half expecting a situation where Kevin McAlister swings a Noctua D15 tied to the end of a rope, down over a set of stairs into some poor badguys. Only, on LTT, Kevin would probably be Dennis. And the badguys would be... Well... Linus.🤔
Working at a biotech company, I have to say I didn't expect to see the ThermoFisher logo in an LTT video, lol. Makes me wonder what other niche research-grade tech LTT could use
Would be nice if you had an option of lidded or delidded when buying obviously some form of get out clause for the seller / manufacturer use the delidded at your own risk gives you the option.. Always nice to see Linus giving it no worries just do it.
Having more SKUs to deal with drives up the price due to needing to support more configurations with more inventory. You also then run into an issue of if too many people want one or the other SKU, then they may have not manufactured enough heat spreaders (or too many in the other direction). From a manufacturing standpoint, it is far less costly to ship 1 version instead of 2.
@@CalculatedRiskAK Lmao like intel ever had problems rolling out hundres of arbitrarily segmented skus out the ass. They did the research, there is such marginal market for this it's not even worth having a meeting about it.
I love how the dynamic between alex and linus is that of a ultra-competent but a bit camera-shy engineer and a camera-confident but not so, eh, patient marketing person. Basically one goes 'eh, I don't love this. Perhaps we should...' and the other goes 'BRING IN THE *HAMMER*" (yes I know Linus is not that but that's how the interactions come off as.)
Pretty neat.. I definitely will remove the IHS on my 7k series AMD when ever I get one. i'm still old 2600x for now, going to try to get at 5800x3d when they're 279, if that ever happens, and then maybe in a couple years go to AM5. But I want all the kinks worked out before I upgrade this next time. I've been messing with PCs since the XT / AT days and honestly this was my first build that I didn't mess around with anything, just put a system together and it worked SO well it left me desiring nothing. That was the first time. It's like getting a PlayStation when it comes out, it just works. We have come SO far in computers.. it's insane to have been granted the privilege of being alive in the 80s (old enough to remember the IBM PC XT CLONE (we had one!!) and watch this industry go from NOBODY having a PC at home to computer shopper age, to like CD ROMS and friggin SSDs.. it's nuts!!
David saying what we are all yelling at the monitor lol I love seeing that monitor that got literally melted in the Hacksmith collab just how up randomly 16:16 That giggle XD This should be fun
Videos like this allows the CPU manufacturers to question norms of the CPU that have been deployed for years possibly allowing no ideas to fruition thus betters CPUs in the future, Great Video!
(gonna add something onto this. the heatspreader removal is most likely by EK moreso than derb8auer. simply because he has his own tool meant for 12th and 13th gen, and its different than the one EK includes. it also works better, proven by jayztwocents when he used the same direct-die cooler and heatspreader removal tool for his most recent (RIP) all-EVGA build.)
@linus the question is... did you guys remove the two screws that stop the plate from going all the way? They are only there for 12th gen because of some capacitors. For 13th gen they can be removed... allowing more travel like you asked for. what is true tho, is that it takes way more than 5 times... more like 20. but in the end it comes off without prying.
I remember the days before heat spreaders. My first build was an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 900 MHz. Too much pressure or uneven pressure could crack the die. Missing or misapplied thermal compound could cause the die to overheat and crack back in those days (I've heard it could be a really impressive fail). Installing and booting that puppy for the first time was absolutely TERRIFYING! Fortunately, it went well for me
Well, if you take out the 2 extra screws out from the delid tool, you get that tinny little extra move what you were looking for. Because the screws in for 12th gen not for 13th gen.
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12:48 Linus genuinely smiling at the idea of using the chiller is the best
It was certainly some masterpiece editing
the evil scientist smile
The edit of the flashbacks was top tier
The smile of something gonna go incredible...
Let just hope it's not *"incredible-ly bad"*...
That was 🐐 editing
Alex and Linus are such a good combination, one of them suggests a crazy idea and the other one happily accepts it.
the new dynamic duo
pure "hold my beer" energy, and im here for it!
No no Alex says "this is not a good idea, we shouldn't do this" and then he just does it anyway
That's because it's an engineer talking directly to the CEO. If it was an engineer talking to someone in QC/QA it would be a completely different conversation.
Except for the fact that Alex does a shitty job of everything and is utterly clueless about everything.
Mad props for them giving Linus unit 69, and Jay unit number 2 (despite this definitely being worth more than 2 cents). That's some fine attention to detail!
Tell me Linus doesn't have Global Clout !! It's like having the Queens Jewels given to you !
That flashback before Linus agreed to use the chiller was the perfect edit.
one of the best ive seen
My anxiety level had reached all time high watching Linus delidded the CPU with heatspreader and hammer, and the frantic during the temp spike was just cherry on top
Not for the faint of heart, and don't forget that massive water leak
I like to think that it gives people enough confidence to build their first PC. If these components can withstand the LTT gauntlet, then it can withstand being put together normally.
yeah the tem spike was very scary and the small dent in the cpu was horrible
@Carl Gunderson well Jerry rigs on purpose! You know what you expect!
true... while me handling even the ram sticks moves so careful so that i wont destroy em accidentally hahaha
RUclips sees me watch a video about how EK is in financial crisis, and decides to show me this lol
Ek goes to shit and im trying to get a direct die cooler for my cpu
@@LegacyNiNJA Try Grizzly? Roman is super transparent about everything even uploading videos on their own products if problems arise.
@@georgkuhn3986 yeah his v1 is no longer a thing and he didn't mention anything about anything of a v2 but im dropping intel and asus so I will no longer need to delid
@@LegacyNiNJA I am still happily running a delided 9900ks among my systems but I barely use it anymore. Ryzen is just too strong. But you're right. Intel seems to have lost its magic and single core performance edge to bad decisions and sloppy fabs.
@@georgkuhn3986 switching to MSI, AMD seems to be the go to they don't make things like they used to thats for sure
Linus has gotten me over the fear of breaking computer components.
Just look at how they survive Linus.
It should become a marketing sticker or something
EDIT: I'm not saying to mishandle parts, but at least I don't feel like I need to use Muslin gloves
That's the real reason for the lab. Give Linus a chance to attack each component...
Linus Certified
Linus is rich mm. He can effort to break stuff 🤣
LLT Labs Seal of Approval (Unbreakable)
"I Survived Being Handled By Linus And All I Got Was This Lousy Sticker"
12:40 the editor of this video deserves a raise, that moment was perfect
I agree.
Before I saw this I had already watched that moment 3 times. That combined with several moments from the rest of this video, and the overall feel of, it seems like they got a new editor or someone in the production team. This one just seems very different from the other videos.
@@dontaskiwasbored2008 or the old one learned something crazy cool
That war memory flashback 💀💀
Could not agree more. That edit had me laughing so much.
That was fun seeing all the unlisted videos and then watching the great purge happen in real time. Glad y'all got it back.
You need to add a pressure bypass valve on the chiller output. Doesn't have to be fancy. A simple spring-loaded unit will work fine so long as it's an adjustable type. It'll keep flow going to the CPU block, but bleed excess pressure back to the chiller return. That way you won't have to worry about overpressure killing gaskets or blowing out a water block seal. Easier on the chiller, too. It's funny watching you scramble when water sprays everywhere, but the building & operations manager in me winces every time it happens
Oh yeah, good idea
I'm not a fan of putting liquids anywhere near the inside of my computer, but this newer generation of CPUs has me thinking that air cooling might not actually be viable for much longer when it comes to higher mid-tier CPUs and better. Everything's just running hotter nowadays.
Figured I might as well start paying more attention, and this is exactly the kind of tidbit of information that could save me hours of trouble in the future. Thanks for that.
@@trajectoryunown my friend, unless you plan on buying that refrigerator sized industrial water chiller they are using, the pressure provided by normal water loop pumps is nothing to worry about!
@@trajectoryunown well most people are gonna be pretty fine with an aio or a thermsyphon to cool there cpu this only ever gonna be useful for a very very nieche audience/market.
Imagine making a CPU that people use to benchmark their cooling solutions.
7800x3d beats it and draws half the wattage
lol Intel........
@@escapetherace1943 and an R7 7600 can draw more power and still be way slower - go figure - overclocking a CPU to the max makes it inefficient.
@@escapetherace1943beats it in what? Gaming?
@@ABaumstumpf also have to understand that windows 11 and intel are directly working with eachother so it better preform better and with double the cores too.
@@stookla4942 " that windows 11 and intel are directly working with eachother"
So?
And AMD and Microsoft and AMD with Apple and Nvidia with Tesla etc...
That instant drop in temperature with that chiller is always fun to see.
@15:43 - 20% increase in performance at the cost of OVER 250% more power draw on the package. Would laugh to see the power to performance graphs on this, with the chiller power added in there as well.
i high doubt it is not using more than anything else put together.
but then they are in canada, they could just pump water from a outside water tank 😂
@@affegpus4195 more heat dissipation = more heat generation = more power consuption
@@affegpus4195 They are in BC near the water aren't they? It's way more mild than most of the northern US (that isn't on the ocean)
amd fanboy spotted
@@666Necropsy Intel fanboy.
Cant handle the heat and power consumption.
I love any LTT video that contains Alex explaining sketchy stuff while Linus makes a horrified face looking off camera.
legit, Alex' video's are some of my favourites, they are such a good duo
15:40 is that 490watt maximum? 13900k yikes.
Why is Alex and sketchy an expected juxtaposition? Every. Time.
The best ones.
Yes! Yes! Sketchy stuff.
Over a year later and the i9's were just killing themselves all along
The reason, in my book, that Linus has been successful is that he legitimately loves this stuff, it shows, and is infectious. The people around him now clearly love it too. I have watched since the early days, and it has almost always been a joy to behold.
I know its in front of a camera, but it looks like his employees GENUINELY enjoy working with him, which is just so nice to see.
@@killerdude151 I remember Alex saying during his extreme tech upgrade that having a couple hours of Linus' time is SO nice. The gang loves him and it's nice to see how successful this has all been.
I love that in his build stuff he always explains stuff just so people who want to build their own computers know what's going on.
i was captived by the fire truck. but installing my first 256mb ram stick sold me haha.
@@MD4564 But he does take it seriously, Security breaches happen, no system is perfect.
Linus ist still great as he was in his RUclips beginnings.
JayzTwoCents took 27 attempts with the delidding tool. Also he noted that Roman's version that he showed off on his channel delids sideways, not lengthwise.
It's SUPPOSED to take that long. It's designed to do it slowly and safely. Linus just did it completely wrong.
Roman's tool and EK's are different. EK's just seems generally shittier.
the one that goes the other way is because it was 13th gen only, or at least that is what he said in that video... the kit that you get from EK is for 12th and 13th so it goes the way it does... he also said that in the video as well. He also said you can use a bit of heat to help too...
@@Masterune178 pertty sure ek's is just derbauers first 12th gen delidding tool. Looks like the one thermal grizzly did early on and didn't use.
@@fade2black001 because a lot of people watch him and may think that's an OK way to do things. Also, I would say it was a miracle it worked at all but it turns out it actually wasn't faster. They replied somewhere else that they actually edited out all of the other cycles and only went manual after a ton of cycles. So now the situation is that the video portrays this as a way that might work faster when the actuality is that it almost certainly would break the chip if you tried to pry it off after a couple of cycles.
I love your pun on Direct-Die Waterblock
As a note, you may want to switch your water blocks to be in parallel with that much water velocity and pressure. Possibly add a pressure relief bypass.
Linus' face at 12:48 is one of my favorite moments of this month. Overall, this makes me pretty excited for the future. Very excited for 14th, 15th, and 16th gen parts and how we can watercool those being a person that wants to use 16th gen parts for his next build.
Yeah... I was drinking tea at that time and it ended in my nose from laughing when this happend 😆
It was love on first sight it seems and I love it too!
Great montage (editing)!
You might want to think about amd
Loving the chiller letting you just test the heck out of things with ease. Well worth it.
I kind of wish manufacturers would try and make this kind of cooling safer. Seeing those temps on normal water really was oddly inspiring.
I agree. That being said I am less afraid of direct die than most due to a combination of dealing with old PCs and modern laptops where direct die is the norm.
@@ThomasCpp it really didn't seem that hard... Delid, install, monitor temps and stress test.. reseat if needed
@@TheBuhrewnoShow It would also make for a great "performance package" where the CPU is supplied with like this cooler instead of a default lid. It makes sense that they need to ship these insane CPUs prepared for water cooling. Like "this is top of the line performance, air cooling won't work, period, get a water cooled system" or something like that.
@@TheWinjin That's a great idea - market an 'extreme' brand of each chip that comes delidded from the factory. I'm sure they'd be able to charge another $200 for it.
@@TheBuhrewnoShow would it even be considered deliddled if it comes pre-liddled with liquid metal and one of these bad bois from the factory? You'd even get to keep the factory warranty!
Alex and Linus never disappoint with their janky and chaotic cooling projects.
This is absolutely not janky or chaotic. It's about as professional as you can get. At least with the case they are using which is not designed for an external cooler.
The chaotic power is insane 💪😁😅
And we even go two within a week from one another! Is it Christmas yet?
They did however pull a bait and switch in the thumbnail, putting in a pic of one of the best selling coolers on the market and saying “this could kill your cpu” and then never actually showing that cooler
The delidding part of this video was so suspenseful I didn't realize I was slowly tilting my bowl of soup that I was holding and spilled it all over myself.
hopefully you didnt burn yourself.
sorry for your misfortune, but ill tell you at least it gave me a good laugh
Nooobb
Happens sometimes lol
are u Asian?
Oh EK,
Look where you're at now.
Alex's gleeful little giggles at 17:20 has got to be the most excited we've seen him in awhile
Yea that's going to be a crazy video whatever it is
*happy engineer noises*
What is Elmer labs tho? I only find some biology stuff lol
@@Lowkas If it's ElmorLabs, then it's a PMD (power measurement device). It lets you measure the voltage, current, and power running through the cpu and gpu cables.
@@Lowkas ElmorLabs is a team that has specialized in cooling CPUs with liquid nitrogen and liquid helium, including being the first people to get a CPU to 9 GHz.
Alex is like the crazy scientist of LTT. Winging it out to success
all he needs now is to constantly wear the LTT tracksuit to make his videos seem more sketchy
I love that we’re coming full circle and starting to see direct die coolers on CPUs again.
The delidding part was even more painful than Linus's usual... antics...
Very, very painful to watch and i'm dying with laughter right now too... after all that effort... they got 37334 on a direct die custom waterloop!... I get 37393 on average on a 7950X with 360 LF2 AIO which is not even being utilised 100% due to the one of the fans being at angle due to the VRM heatsink. Sure, they can get higher if the tuned the ram and settings in the bios but all that money and effort... for such diminishing gain 🤣🤣🤣.
@@earthtaurus5515 I mean that was at stock... arent amd cpus OC out the gates?
Linus and Alex both define success as 'its not broken' and I really appreciate that
Hi linus and team , great job . Although let me tell u guys something, i work as a engineer on uk , sorting water loops and systems to power plants, pharmaceutical companies as well aeronautics. I believe you should get some control of your water there specially with all that copper laying around . I advise you to get a softener that later you can use for ur appliances and if you can an ro will be perfect as you will get water around 10uS (micro siemens) not being to corrosive . If you cant get an ro just remove the hardness of the water with the softener and they hook up a small mix bed to remove the contamination ❤
When Linus goes off script while explaining something, like he did with explaining why GPUs typically don't have an IHS, he talks so fast and is so well-spoken. I don't know if playing doofas sometimes is for the camera, but in those scenes, we can see how he, along with Yvonne, created a company worth over a $100 million in a few short years. I've also noticed this in some of the long form, live-stream build videos. It's like this genius comes out for a few bursts and then goes back into hiding. It's really awesome to see.
The water chaos using the mega chiller is exactly what I expected to see 😂
Watching this hack happen in real time is crazy
yea lol
here
Those old Athlons with ceramic packaging were very prone to die cracking, since the ceramic base had *zero* flex to give in and any over pressure of the heat-sink would start chipping corners and edges from the brittle silicon crystal.
I have a box full of broken ones 😂 few intel chips in there too.
Yeah, coupled with a very little die. Any pressure concentrated on an edge and you'd easily chip the die.
The mounting hardware of the time didn't help either... (Single spring clip, essentially forcing an unknowing user to load one side in a rocking manner).
@@volvo09 And only four small rubber pads to keep the cooler level.
I chipped one but it didn't kill it....I remember being so sad when I saw that little chunk missing while trying to mount the cooler
@@tz8785 I would take the pads from dead ones and put them on my replacement chips. 8 is better than 4 at distributing the force and so on 😂
I had a duron with the entire perimeter with pads
MORE OF THIS!
Give Alex money and don't limit his imagination!
This video is showing up on my RUclips as well because of the whole EK water blocks financial crisis
12:40 - 12:50 is probably my absolute favorite edit in all my years of LTT. XD
That flashback to his grin was just 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻😂
Ahh. This takes me back to 2005, remembering building my first PC, with 2500+ Athlon XP. Applying Arctic Silver thermal paste directly onto the die with a disposable razor. Having a friend help me who had built about 2 systems more than I had. Installing SATA drivers at BIOS level...
ok boomer
@@HyBlock in 15 years this video will be also ok boomer
@@HyBlock This guy seems to comment lots of negative stuff on this channel. Just leave him alone, just a stupid internet troll.
11:10 I... I... honestly didn't think a CPU core can be that sus too...
Not sure if I misunderstood: Did you try going back and forth with the Delidder? Because that´s the way it is meant to be used. Even Roman showed multiple times that it can take a while. So, folks: Please don´t try to delid a cpu in the way shown in this video. Yeah, I know, more fun to watch, no hard feelings ;)
they did yeah. they said so in an earlier comment. they used it multiple times before breaking out the hammer.
To be fair. having Linus and Alex doing anything cooling related implies a "don't try this at home".
Instantly one of the greatest LTT videos of all time
Glad you have your channel back! 😊
I feel like this would be a really cool service to have as a system-integrator. As a hardware enthusiast I could definately see myself wanting this someday but I am sure as heck not voiding my warranty for it.
Nobody wants to be liable for a cpu that expensive, if they did it would be for a ton of money probably
@@phantomnarwhal164 maybe if they could source them directly, without a heatspreader?
What I want are GPUs without air coolers. I have 3 new GPU air coolers just setting there collecting dust.
@@nodgsd8823 i dont think he meant that problem is to delidding them. thats probably the easiest part
LOL you do realize you'd STILL be voiding your hardware warranty if a SI did it, right? AMD/Intel doesn't care who delidded the CPU, they're not going to replace it. Also any SI that did offer a delidding would tell you that if your CPU dies after you receive it because of the delidding they are not liable, otherwise they wouldn't offer it as it's too much liability.
Maybe try reading the directions, you are supposed to go back and forth many times with the delid tool to delid it, not just once.
Hi, fellow viewers of LinusTechTipsTemp
Hi motherboarder
@@lucasdaniel3415hi cpu
@@christiangaming4131hi ram
@@lostyplayz2799Hi gpu
Derbaur is doing soooooo many awsome things for the pc community, o 11 case, kryonaut, this!!! So glad hes involved
I love videos showing the extreme end of things, like cooling in this one. Me, I just used a good AIO, good airflow, and an aluminum CPU bracket. Runs quite cool. But then again, I'm running a 13th gen i7 with a mild overclock, not an insane i9 clocked to over 9000. And, holy cow, that Cinebench score. Insane.
No.. it's not. I'm getting the same score with on a 7950X with LF2 AIO, negative curve optimiser, custom core boost at 5555 Mhz and with multiple things running as well as hwinfo.
Always the same with these videos - even their normal reviews already run the CPU with insanely stupid auto-overclocks.
Was funny when i got my hands on an i5 12600K and set it up for an office-PC - B660M (did test it on Z690 as well). Slight tweaks and now it doesn't even reach 95W in cinebench, even with all the other benchmarks i threw at it it never exceeded 100W and max temperature was like 60°C. And that is with close to 17k point in CB23.
If you want to get a performance boost and not go through all this. Look up how to undervolt it. I changed my voltage on my i7 13700k because same issue. HEAT! I have a 360 custom water loop and I couldn't get it to pull heat fast enough just as they described. With no overclocking experience I learned how to change the voltage offset on my motherboard to -.035 and let me tell you. WOW what a difference. I don't go over 80C now when benchmarking. Before when I gamed I ran at 75 to 80c now I barely touch 67C in high end demanding new games. I have an rtx 4090 that pushes everything ti the max. I saw NO performance loss and my benchmark scores actually went UP because I wasn't thermal throttling at 100C anymore. Hope this helps someone. Do your research on your specific motherboard and only make small changes to undervolting. Also make sure it is a NEGATIVE offset so it doesn't overvolt! Linus please do a video showing people this!
World class editing, also Linus not using manuals again (delid process is wrong, you supposed to cycle it many times to cause fatigue to the silicon glue).
They actually did, it was just edited out.
It's actually worth noting that it'd be super cool if AMD/Intel sold unlidded chips.
True. Would be a godsend for SFF builds.
especially in extremely hot high-level cpu
They would never do that because people would damage them and want refunds under warranty
@@thomasberry8873 they would make it detachable and not under replacable warranty
its actually not that hard all you need is a $5 delid tool. Ek idk why but it's the crappiest delid tool kit in history. An expert nitrogen overclocker showed him being super careful and ended up breaking it.
David struck the perfect balance of heckler/voice of reason and I absolutely love it
Actually an impressive result. Both in performance and the insane power draw needed to make it happen. Though when Linus was banging on that CPU I was expecting the substrate to crack lol
we just came back from the LTT apocoloypse of 2023
This is way above my skill level and needs as a pc enthusiast, but it's definitely fascinating. Der8auer has designed an incredible toolset for delidding processors. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up being a major player in the overall processor world sooner rather than later.
He's a major player for the last 15 years at least
Im confused on what skill level is needed to do this. Reading instructions and following them?
@@username8644 Except it wouldn't delid due to the silicon and they resorted to a hammer...that's a little past my comfort to risk threshold
@@joshyc2006 That's because they are making a RUclips video and have to make it entertaining
Canadian noises intensify at 9:18 😂
Nah bros got hacked by tesla 💀
Watching you guys is like watching a modern version of Tim Allen's Tool Time from the sitcom Home Improvement. You even have Al's plaid shirt on the straight man!
Time to see you overclock smart appliances!
this!!
I was thinking about something like this for the 13900k, glad you guys put it into reality
They didn’t, Derbauer and EK did
@@maxwellgriffith you understood what he meant, dont have to be a smartass
13900k con EK son mejores originales
My first Linus Tech Tips after the hacking incident. Glad to see it didn't last too long!
Good thing it didn't last for days, at least.
Still, that description still has trace amounts of that hijacker.
Funnily enough, it's on top of the BitDefender sponsored link.
The channel kinda reorganized itself now, like i saw some videos that weren't supposed to be seen and in 2 seconds they were gone but the channel now is fixed. Hope linus can get a good sleep tonight cuz today sure was an stressful day 😢
I love a Linus and Alex video. These two are always a blast to watch..and wild lmao.
Looks like EK stopped selling all the direct die stuff. Anyone know why?
I love that you could hear someone in the background say "boooo" when Linus made that "direct die" joke
lord have mercy on anyone who had notifications on during the hack
Sorry LTT team. Hope you guys get your account back ASAP. We are witnessing history
Well THIS must have been a day. Glad to see you back.
I didn’t think I needed another LTT cooling video this soon. Turns out I really did.
Linus is always not being careful with stuff, it pains me sometimes
Glad to see the channel back
Man, this is why extreme cooling is a norm for extreme overclocking, like what you guys did!
Actually, what had me terrified to liquid cool my gpu's originally was an article where the people who wrote it had cracked their gpu die twice when trying to install the water block. CPU's seemed easy enough since they had the IHS at the time. I didn't liquid cool my gpu until I got my 1080TI. Even then I was nervous as hell.
I only became a computer scientist because of this channel. RUclips, do something!
what does this channel have to do with cs?
When I (mis)read the title as "This cooler could KILL you", I was half expecting a situation where Kevin McAlister swings a Noctua D15 tied to the end of a rope, down over a set of stairs into some poor badguys.
Only, on LTT, Kevin would probably be Dennis. And the badguys would be... Well... Linus.🤔
Next time on channel super fun: Linus's funeral! (Dennis sneaks into the casket)
500watts for a CPU is insane.
Damn. Never expected to see LTT hacked
These cooling videos with Alex and Linus are the best
Working at a biotech company, I have to say I didn't expect to see the ThermoFisher logo in an LTT video, lol. Makes me wonder what other niche research-grade tech LTT could use
Someone gave it to them ;) There is a video of how they got that, you can check out the whole saga.
looks like everything is back to normal
on this channel at least xd
Can we appreciate that after all these years, Linus still gives us such entertaining, informative and quality content. Kudos guys, and thanks
They're back! Good to see the LTT channel is standing after the hack
just watched em get the channel back in real time, that was neat
Yeap saw it as well
Would be nice if you had an option of lidded or delidded when buying obviously some form of get out clause for the seller / manufacturer use the delidded at your own risk gives you the option.. Always nice to see Linus giving it no worries just do it.
Having more SKUs to deal with drives up the price due to needing to support more configurations with more inventory. You also then run into an issue of if too many people want one or the other SKU, then they may have not manufactured enough heat spreaders (or too many in the other direction). From a manufacturing standpoint, it is far less costly to ship 1 version instead of 2.
However it could be a warranty nightmare
@@CalculatedRiskAK Lmao like intel ever had problems rolling out hundres of arbitrarily segmented skus out the ass.
They did the research, there is such marginal market for this it's not even worth having a meeting about it.
Water cooled IHS, that is cool as heck. Imagine that becoming a standard in the enthusiast space.
Another entry in the series of "Linus tries to water cool everything with more and more water each time"
Welcome back linus!
Hope they're just unlisting instead of deleting
They're just being unlisted don't worry
even if the videos were being deleted, Linus would be able to recover them contacting support, this is like the 298824 channel going through this
even if they were deleted, youtube doesnt actually get rid of the videos until a long time later
I love how the dynamic between alex and linus is that of a ultra-competent but a bit camera-shy engineer and a camera-confident but not so, eh, patient marketing person. Basically one goes 'eh, I don't love this. Perhaps we should...' and the other goes 'BRING IN THE *HAMMER*"
(yes I know Linus is not that but that's how the interactions come off as.)
Welcome back!
thanks
Pretty neat.. I definitely will remove the IHS on my 7k series AMD when ever I get one. i'm still old 2600x for now, going to try to get at 5800x3d when they're 279, if that ever happens, and then maybe in a couple years go to AM5. But I want all the kinks worked out before I upgrade this next time. I've been messing with PCs since the XT / AT days and honestly this was my first build that I didn't mess around with anything, just put a system together and it worked SO well it left me desiring nothing. That was the first time. It's like getting a PlayStation when it comes out, it just works. We have come SO far in computers.. it's insane to have been granted the privilege of being alive in the 80s (old enough to remember the IBM PC XT CLONE (we had one!!) and watch this industry go from NOBODY having a PC at home to computer shopper age, to like CD ROMS and friggin SSDs.. it's nuts!!
David saying what we are all yelling at the monitor lol
I love seeing that monitor that got literally melted in the Hacksmith collab just how up randomly
16:16 That giggle XD This should be fun
Videos like this allows the CPU manufacturers to question norms of the CPU that have been deployed for years possibly allowing no ideas to fruition thus betters CPUs in the future, Great Video!
RUclips CAME IN CLUTCH
(gonna add something onto this. the heatspreader removal is most likely by EK moreso than derb8auer. simply because he has his own tool meant for 12th and 13th gen, and its different than the one EK includes. it also works better, proven by jayztwocents when he used the same direct-die cooler and heatspreader removal tool for his most recent (RIP) all-EVGA build.)
I love these type of video. So cool watching you guys push the limits of a CPU.
@linus the question is... did you guys remove the two screws that stop the plate from going all the way?
They are only there for 12th gen because of some capacitors.
For 13th gen they can be removed... allowing more travel like you asked for.
what is true tho, is that it takes way more than 5 times... more like 20.
but in the end it comes off without prying.
Underrated. I was just typing this response out myself. You can actually see the screws are still present when he started the delid process.
Wonderful work on the editors part, regarding the thermo scientific flashback bit!
6:12 Says the man who seconds ago was, literally, hiting the processor with a hammer.
😅😅😅 Sometimes that is the reason I watch this
I remember the days before heat spreaders. My first build was an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 900 MHz. Too much pressure or uneven pressure could crack the die. Missing or misapplied thermal compound could cause the die to overheat and crack back in those days (I've heard it could be a really impressive fail). Installing and booting that puppy for the first time was absolutely TERRIFYING! Fortunately, it went well for me
Well, if you take out the 2 extra screws out from the delid tool, you get that tinny little extra move what you were looking for. Because the screws in for 12th gen not for 13th gen.
he also didn’t go back and forth … it’s supposed to be shifted repeatedly 🤦not just shifted once.
BRO U GOT HACKED AND ITS 3 AM FOR YOU LMAO