Except she doesn't know what the others will want to vote for, plus I doubt the oppressed people in the east and in the south care about American politics. I'm sure the Spanish lady means well, I guess the idea is what counts.
@MsAmandaLynn Fact. Anyone who disagrees does so on moral standing, which is entirely besides the point. The truth doesn't care about misguided compassion.
If your vote didn’t matter lobbyists wouldn’t spend billions trying to influence it, politicians wouldn’t try to gerrymander and suppress it, and corporations wouldn’t try to buy it. YOUR VOTE MATTERS. VOTE.
AsiniusNaso that’s precisely the reason WHY votes don’t matter. Lobbyists and corporations run this country and almost every elected official will act in THEIR interests, not ours. As far as influencers go, even they are owned by corporations. They control the framing and the narrative.
Or that's exactly why it doesn't matter. Politicians are in bed with lobbyist. They have control over the rules when it comes to voting. When the Democrats were found to have robbed the nomination it showed no matter how strong the opposition they have the power to get what they want. Also I live in a red state, in a red county, in a red town. Independents make up not even 10% of the population. We are outnumbered by even democrats. So please tell me how my vote matters when even if every single Independent voted we'd still be out voted.
I have one comment on not voting and thinking that’s enough: “Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” - Elie Wiesel You do not fix a system in disrepair by simply abdicating participation/endeavoring in/with it.
Who is the oppressor? The ones you say? What if none of the candidates are worth spitting on the ground for like democrat candidates. I don't want any of them in Oval Office.
So by that logic shouldn't something have changed by now? The people who are voting should be calling all the shots so we should be living in a utopia by now right? Money talks and is the only thing that matters in the political world
I really try to be open minded but voting is a privilege that so many people in the world don’t have. As both a POC and a woman my predecessors had to fight for their rights to be able to vote in this country and I’m not going to forfeit that right just because the country hasn’t been moving in the direction I want it to. That seems like the equivalent of throwing a tantrum when things don’t go your way.
Voting is a right in this country (assuming we're talking about the USA or another democraticly electoral country), NOT a privilege like everyone likes to say.
Lilium. Rights are inherent and irrevocable. In my state (Florida) along with I think 3 others felons lose their ability to vote so technically voting can be defined as a privilege here. When I spoke about women and POC fighting for the “right” to vote I used the word right because that’s how it was afforded to us in the Constitution.
Yasmine Ameena The Constitution mentions "the right to vote" five times. Thus I believe it should be an irrevocable right afforded to all citizens of this country as well as permanent immigrants. The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that voting is in fact a privilege, but that does not mean I have to agree with their decision, although it does mean that I must abide by it lawfully speaking.
The Conscious Resistance I believe in one’s right to autonomy, if someone doesn’t want to vote they shouldn’t be forced to. On the same note, the law is powerful and will probably impact lives on a larger scale than any type of individual impact we might try to make on our own.
Why doesn't it matter? Spread that to a general application and say voting doesn't matter. It does. It matters on the big level of if nobody votes nothing happens. And on the personal scale, if you dont vote, and if the next person doesn't. And the next. Then nobody does.
+Pseudonymou Being right... except whether or not I vote has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the next person votes... you're reasoning is only valid if you assume that my vote influences whether or not other people vote, which it doesn't.
The Conscious Resistance On the contrary. If you don’t vote, you don’t have a right to complain. You had an opportunity to at least try to change to country to what you want and you didn’t take it. Now you got to shut up and live with the consequences
@@akaakaakaak5779 Ok. Problem is its not just you, quite large percentage of countries populations don't come out to vote. Whether that is by choice is another discussion but whatever. When one person doesn't vote it doesn't matter. But whatever made that one person vote likely is also the cause of another persons actions. The thought that's you dont matter, that you're one, well surely many people - to be reasonable all rational people - know that. However, that's a thought because of which people dont vote. That's a popular, probably universal thought, everyone knows they dont really matter (well most people) and when everyone thinks so nobody votes. And then even a single person voting matters. You aren't special or single. You're part of a large group whos voice could matter.
I agree with Talisa (woman with the off shoulder top) As a woman, and a black woman at that, I honestly think it would be disrespectful of me not to vote because so many people suffered and died for the right to vote so that in the future, people like me would be able to be heard It isn't about whether I like the candidates or not, it should be about which candidate I think is going to benefit me as a citizen and the country as a whole
It's not always so simple though. What if your "best candidate" has pro-African-American policies right alongside anti-LGBTQ policies? The fewer options we're given, the less actual choice that we have.
Yeah but its extremely discouraging for me as a black womanand to other poc and gay people who also had similar rights taken away when both of the candidates suck ass and are only looking out for themselves thats what my main problem with voting is Republicans and democrats dont care about us amd its like we all have to break our backs trying yo fit in these spaces that aren't for us
Damn, yall all are wrong. Looking at this situation like it's black or white. Sure the system has many flaws but chosing not to participate is signing away your only power in said system. Whether you like it or not, the system we are using today still is in place so I believe that you should express your voice in it while also gaining support to amend it. Not participating in. The current system can only hurt us as a country because our beliefs won't accurately be accounted for.
I'd really like to ask non-voting activists what they're doing to help people on the ground. Because I want to do more than donate, protest, and vote, but can't figure out better ways than those three to create change in the country, even though none of those three seem to do all that much.
@@leoweinreb9920 Exactly! But you have to hit them where it hurts with the masses. Only reason the bus boycott worked during the civil rights movement was because the state was losing money. They were forced to integrate buses. Running for office helps, look at AOC.
@@erictheguapo if we didn't have the electoral college, the 10 million people's votes would have mattered and any others in any other states for that matter
@@redicd6857 Majority vote wins. For example, California overwhelmingly voted for Hilary so any Californian that voted for Trump didnt matter and their votes were not counted towards any electorial vote.
My issue with Derrick is that he's an activist, but how does he plan to make the changes that he's advocating for if he doesn't vote? Policies in this country aren't changed by the public. They're changed by the representatives that we elect.
The argument is that we don't necessarily elect them. Representatives are picked by parties, and we vote for the party. This is flawed because the policies desired by that party can change based on who they happen to choose to represent them without the approval of anyone else.
Media and culture. Music, video-games, art, poetry, movies, books, conventions, fundraisers, food drives, protests, etc. Once you crack open a history book ; you'll come to realization that voting has never accomplished much of anything when it came to advocating for actual change or getting things done. The American Civil Rights movement that the black woman brought up ; was brought about by creating a counter-culture that was designed to combat the abuse and infringement of peoples liberties at the time(the 1st Amendment) ; NOT marking a ballot.
@@Corey1873 Exactly. Instead of going down to the booth every 4 years to scratch off a ballot and disappear ; he actually gets off his ass and does something.
There should be a "blank vote" for citizens who do not stand with any of the candidates, that way everybody can be heard. If a majority of voters voted "blank" then let's organize new elections with decent candidates this time. Democracy, not presidential dictatures... In France there is a "blank vote" but it it does not appear in the final results, it should be!
It's not just France, almost countries that elections are obligatory, it is that way. And you always have to choose between two main figures: one from the extreme left, or right. It doesn't matter if it has multiple parties. It's always that way, and they are both bad choises, since they can't seem to find good aspects from each side and be in a middle ground.
Chelsea Ryland well I don’t know about other countries but in France you can leave the vote blank, and it is legal and counted as an opinion. However if you draw or write or misuse the vote then it’s wasted.
do vegetarians vs vegans because they are similar but very different usually. (saying this as a vegan) oh and don't use ONLY like hippie vegans plz cuz it misrepresents us ty.
Personally, I often feel as though my vote doesn't matter. However, if a large majority of people (mainly millennials, like myself) ALSO think that their vote doesn't matter, then you have thousands of people who aren't voting. With that in mind, I always vote anyway. One of the non-voters brought up that one reason he didn't vote was because he lived in California. And California almost always votes for the Democratic candidate, so he felt like his vote for republican would be useless. I also live in a state (Alabama) that has swayed toward one party significantly more than the other for decades, so it can be discouraging most times. But, again, it's important to remember that you are one of thousands who also think that their vote doesn't matter. Reach out to people who have the same mindset, and be the change.
etf42 no, pal, but if thousands of people are in the same room together and a strand of hair falls from each of their heads, you’d have a pretty nasty floor. My metaphor is stupid, but so is yours.
It's worth taking notes from people like that. It's actually quite valuable to have those skills, to at least make someone *feel* like they're being listened to. You don't have to be engaged in every conversation that comes your way because odds are there are going to be some boring talks - but nodding, asking questions, showing them that your brain isn't 100% turned off when they speak is enough to make a positive impact on the way they perceive you.
I think it could work... It's not a big issue, but some people who believe in astrology get REALLY into it... Not all the middle grounds need to be the big political topics...
I originally come from Switzerland, now live in the UK. Swiss citizens are asked to vote on any topic (could be immigration reform or adding an extra week of holiday) 4 times a year, and we have 11 parties represented in parliament. Any citizen can create a new law that, if it gathers enough signatures, will be put to the vote. Coming from that background, I believe in voting 100% percent. I am extremely proud of this system, which gives a voice to every single one of us on any piece of legislation. However, I do understand the disillusion Americans and British people can feel with their voting system. Both systems are similar in the sense that your vote will only count in either your state or constituency, and there are only two parties that really matter. The American parties baffle me by how wide their ideological range is. I think it is time to split both parties. Have Trump and friends create a new far right party, and Bernie, Warren and others create a socialist party. And some high profile Democrats could join the Greens as well to raise their profile a bit. This would help people vote for parties that are closer to their beliefs. But for this to work, BOTH parties have to do it, or we'll end up with the same problem as in the UK, where the left is fragmented into a few smaller parties, but not the right, which seems to gives it a bit of an advantage. And that's not democracy either.
Yeah I thought that was weird too I think it’s because maybe she didn’t like him because he said he was slightly right leaning or maybe because of something else that he said which is weird because he seemed like an extremely nice and friendly dude throughout the whole video
@Social Justice Warrior it is, Abrahamic Religion consider their raligion based on God Words and claim Eastern Religions is a product of culture / human thinking.
@Social Justice Warrior Yeah, I have had occasions to discuss and debate with friends of many faiths; there's dispute. I think that would be a good vid
I actually was surprised by that. it's obvious that our party system has a lot of problems, but parties are inevitable and it's way way way better to have 2 of them instead of a bunch of them.
frnk Why is it better to have only two parties? I understand not wanting to have like 20 of them because then it would become difficult to keep track of but in Canada we have 5 major parties. I think with 5 it allows us to have a little more freedom and it gives us more of a chance to find a party that fits closer to our actual beliefs.
@@xmantrans4846 I don't understand how you can just generalize millions of people, whichever party they may be. Some Republicans are emo little bitches, some democrats are complete garbage spewing assholes. Some republicans are amazing and helpful and kind, some democrats are respectful and logical. We're all going to lose if we keep pointing fingers at a mass of people and put them ALL into one box.
For real For real. I was so happy that no one walked up for those two. This country will one day wake up and changed the Two party sytem and the "Winner take all" rule when it comes to voting.
fairlylocalmemer People fought for the right to willingly vote or willingly not vote. They both exist for a reason. I’ll use it when the candidates aren’t total fuck ups.
Voter turnout in the us is about 60% all those people in the 40% claim they won’t make a difference. 40% not 12% not 5%, 40% of the total US population don’t believe their vote can make a difference
I personally don't believe my vote truly matters, but I still choose to vote in hopes that it could. I suppose it's a bit like praying to a god I don't totally believe exists, or driving even though I have no destination. It's a privilege/opportunity offered to me and I'm going to take it.
slimkt - Makes sense until the media blames YOU for the outrage-of-the-week, painting you an enemy of the “other side” by default, and creating further division between you and your neighbor, all because you wanted to drive with no destination, and waste gas....
Hyper Indigo I won't say there isn't some validity in your statement, but no one but the people counting my vote ever have to know who or what I vote for. I can vote without stating which parties or candidates I do or don't align with, and no one would be the wiser as to what/whom I opposed unless I was vocal about it. Besides, if I let negative opinions of me control what I do or what I believe in, I'd never say or do anything.
slimkt - That’s true, for the most part, however by playing the game at all, the toxicity will inevitably drive you further to one position. That’s the nature of the beast. You won’t realize it, but it will happen.
slimkt the problem with this is that it keeps you believing the fantasy instead of actually doing something useful. Just imagine if you realized that your vote truly didn’t matter. What would you do? You would take action and go protest. Imagine now that millions of people instead of voting marched to DC and demanded the government to hear their voice. I was shocked that Americans decided to vote for Hillary or Trump instead of marching to DC and demanding both candidates to be replaced by more appropriate options
Нилл since when did the two become mutually exclusive? You can march/protest/rally and still vote. Most people do both because unfortunately, protesting doesn't always work.
I like and agree with what derrick said about people popping up and all of a sudden acting like they know whats going on and how he wants to encourage people to vote with their being.
I hate the shame factor. It is YOUR right to vote and it is also YOUR right not to vote. As long as YOU are making the conscious decision to engage/not engage in the process, no one has any right to dictate to you what YOU should or should not do. That being said, if there is a force preventing you from voting, that is a different issue.
I also don't want to shame stupid and/or uninterested people into politics so they can base their votes on something so simple as "Hillary is a woman!" or "Trump is a Republican!" If we could have the people who cared and looked into politics being the ones voting in politics then we could ACTUALLY change things for the better... Instead we need to include the majority who are not politically minded meaning they don't vote politically minded...
JackHayabusa the reason why people shame non voters is because they’re the reason why progression is so slow. It tends to be the most progressive people who believe their vote doesn’t matter. So we move forward so slowly because all of the old ignorant people are the ones who love to vote.
JackHayabusa Fuck that. You’re lazy if you don’t vote and you officially sign away your right to complain when you decide not to vote because you didn’t try to get the outcome you wanted.
you are the reason why nothing will ever change. you accept the corruption. you accept the broken system. you accept con artists for politicians. congratulations
@@yasmin-lx4kb hey I'm not trying to sound rude I'm just letting you know we can still vote for Sanders he's still on the ballot he's just not out there as much p.s what country do you live in scince you said y'all
"Something" could mean a lot of things, most of which have nothing to do with who the president is. Also, are you allowed to complain when the person you voted for is in power?
Panos Eufraimidis to be fair it was because of her religion, so not ‘sexism’ as such.. but treating another person differently because of their sex is the very definition of sexism, so that edict of Islam is sexist.
Media influence and people's view changes the words differently I mean what is "Way to left" or "Way To right" Or way to liberal and Way to conservative means now a days. I have no clue anymore why would they used this lazy definition and just directly say straight to the point.
I haven’t watched all Middle Ground episodes, but from the ones I have seen, this is the only one in which I could relate to at least some of the opinions of ALL participants. In every other episode, there was one or more of the participants I thought were either not reasonable (by that I mean did not give reason to their opinions) or ignorant (to the extent of rudeness). Keep up the good work, @Jubilee. I hope to make a difference at one point, as you are with your works.
Mango same actually. I 100% believe everyone’s vote matters and if you don’t vote, you’re part of the problem. HOWEVER, I understand why these people think this way, “why partake in a flawed system”. I can understand that.
Mango I’ve seen a fair amount of them, and I have to say this is probably the one in which I most related to something every participant said. In other episodes, I could respect the opinion because they’d give reason to their view but didn’t agree. OR In some episodes, the person wouldn’t give reason so I couldn’t relate to what their views were. And in some cases, some participants were rude, loud, or downright annoying. This group was lovely though.
I would love to see that! Especially with immigrants represented on both sides. I have some friends that had to wait 20 years to come to the country, and they have some interesting views about DACA. I would love to see views from all different kinds of people represented on the DACA issue.
@@deansheppard1104 I don't see how paying taxes equates to not voting, given that taxes aren't how you gain the right to freedom of choice, if they don't want to vote they don't have too, whether they pay taxes or not. Although I would say, if they don't vote then they aren't getting a choice in where their taxes going either.
@@personalaccount4850 paying taxes equates contributing to society soo no one has the right to judge non voters because they are contribuiting i never said tax paying= non voting. By voting you are not deciding where your taxes are going , you re just choosing the people who are gonna spend it (there is a diffrence between direct democracy and democratic republic ) , in 2016 for example the US (im not american by the way , im just using the US has an example , i dont care about its politics) gave 38 bilion $ to israel for their defence , did the voters decide that? I doubt it , voters just decide their leaders. Writing a name in a piece of paper and putting it in ballot box is nothing special , anyone can do it , there are more noble goals ( charity, finding a cure for cancer...etc) to waste energy on , the time you waste on researching politicians soo you can decide which politician should vote could be used on improving yourself or take care of your family . 1 vote wont change anything , wasting effort on something you have no power on (politics ) is not worth it in my opinion . i respect your opinion , i hope you respect mine too.
In my case, “proud to be an American” is for the people. The people, especially the immigrants (even though we are all immigrants) is what make this country. Not the politicians or the power hungry assholes in power. What makes America great is the people: the immigrants, the minorities, the Indigenous! The overall culture and diversity that we have in this country may not be perfect, but it is growing and it is the best. I’m proud to be an American FOR and BY the people. (P.S this is my first primary election that I will vote and there are no presidents candidate that I’m not convinced to vote for, but I will still vote for any laws that are worth passing).
This is one of the best middle ground videos ever. I loved the peacefulness and them allowing others to speak. Amazing Jubilee 💛 you keep on changing the world and open minds 💛
I'm so glad they brought up the local election thing! Absolutely, voting for the president may not change the outcome, but in the tiny elections? It ABSOLUTELY does! I'm proud of this group, they all talked very respectfully, so this was great to watch!
Voting doesn’t make sense in a two party system. People aren’t voting for who they want to win, but against who they want to lose. If both parties want to marginalize me, why on earth would I pick one of them to represent me and my interests? Yet, when I pick someone who does represent my interests, I’ve wasted my vote - because of me the one that we don’t want most will win. Gerrymandering also effectively makes your vote matter less. Not to mention that the electoral college delegates can ignore who their constituents want. I vote in local elections if a candidate will help people, otherwise that doesn’t have a point either.
electoral college pretty much always voted the same as the majority in which the college represents. I think there have only been one instance where that was not the case. But yes I think everyone can agree a two-party system is flawed and is no different from many transitional-dictatorial governments
@@neurofiedyamato8763 America isn't a two party system because there only two political parties, but because we have a system where the party with the support of the majority implement policies, instead of merely a plurality.
@@mikebalderston2723 I don't mean US is a two-party system by design. But it is two-party in practice. it has been like this since the start. Its quite clear majority don't like it but it still happens. Anyone voting for a 3rd party don't stand a chance because not enough people have faith in winning if they vote 3rd party. Its a eternal cycle. The 2 main parties also are the biggest with the most member, the most finance and most connections. So its only natural they have an edge in winning.
@@neurofiedyamato8763 I agree it would be refreshing to see a third party gain majority vote. But my point is that the two-party system came to be because of the choice of the people. Not by law. This is why voting in your local community is equally important as participating in presidential elections. Many people don't even know who their representatives in congress are, even though they vote in the electoral college, and are responsible for legislating. So simply saying that their votes don't matter because they didn't like either candidates isn't really a good argument if you don't even participate in your immediate communities
Does no one get the point of the third party? It has had a significant impact in America since our government is based on majority votes not who has the most. The third party can prevent one of the two parties from gaining a majority when it is neck and neck. This forces the two parties to adopt and discuss the concerns of the third party. It has been a while since I was in government, but it seems people don't understand what makes our voting system great. It's not a true democracy as many of our founding fathers were against, but a republic.
10:57 I totally agree with the non-voter here. And the examples the voter gave actually strenghten the non-voter's position without realising it. He said "women's rights, african american rights" without realising voting is not the way those people got their rights, they got their rights by revolting, protesting and fighting, with bottom-up tactics. Not putting a paper into a box, pressing a button every 2 or 4 years.
You think AAs got their rights via protests? No, AAs got their rights because the protests alarmed the average voter and the news and politicians who weren't convinced it was the right thing to do were confronted with being on the wrong side of history and not being re-elected. Why do you think these things happened to be more effective when the TV cameras weren't around? Remember Occupy Wall street? How many of their demands do you think were enacted? You know why? Because the average assumed protestor eventually thought they were misguided and politicians saw that. Every time an unarmed black kid is killed by a cop there is a march and a protest. How many laws have been enacted or passed to prevent that? You know why? Because other than something to see, those protests don't touch what they see as the average voter therefore they are ignored.
Kevin Kalbermatten I disagree. it triggered it but the ultimate decision would lie on who others have put in power. If you can't vote, your opinion will never matter. Those who could got a liberal enough person in power and AA got civil rights. That's why voting matters. They had been fighting this battle for decades with multiple presidents. The person others put in power was the decider. It's why voting is a privilege and should not be taken for granted.
Yea but weren't those amendments put in place ultimately because the people in "power" voted on them? Extending this power to more people seems like a good solution to get more people represented in politics. At the end of the day, voters are the ones who implement policies. So its better for everyone to have this power to elect their representatives.
If you would like to understand why I dont vote ( I am the green shirt guy from the video) please read this: theconsciousresistance.com/2016/02/heres-why-i-dont-vote/
I loved the whole "if you vote independent or don't vote Trump will win!" my first reaction is that either way I'll be unhappy because regardless of what happens I didn't get what I want.... which was neither of them. Side note I feel like the nonvoters had better explanations as to WHY they didn't/don't vote, they felt more collected as if they've truly thought it through and I honestly agree with them. To brake a point down simply we all acknowledge that the system is broken or doesn't represent us the way it should yet you continue to use it. That is the equivalency of trying to fill a shattered glass cup with water, it's not going to work just because you hope it will. Change does need to start at the bottom and perhaps the outcome is not the none voters fault but the people who DID vote for Hillary or Trump. Those of us who where neutral probably felt like there was no hope because those 2 where being so heavily pushed mainstream, independents don't have as much coverage or awareness in the masses and I think only those that where actively in politics would be aware of the independent candidates that they wanted. Also that the neutrals would had to of come to and agreement on which independent in order to of had the slightest chance of comparing to the 2 main candidates. You had the option of 3rd parties too but you guys limited yourselves to those 2. People tend to go to whatever is heavily marketed because they don't have to do in-depth research, don't try to shame others because they didn't agree with you on Trump or Hillary. If you truly support the ideals of democracy and your right to vote than you'd take more care in who you vote for... that candidate will have the power to change the country and represent us. The least you can do if you're going to vote is be informed and choose the best candidate because they are RIGHT for the job not because you know their name. So really the results boil down to ignorance and peoples lack of diligence in politics.
I didn't think this would be productive, but I learned a lot from this. I never knew there was such a strong argument against voting. I understand both sides but I think at the end of the day, you choose to make your impact in whatever way you feel will make the _most_ impact.
If you don't vote because you feel you don't have representation, perhaps you should encourage a leader in your community or take up the responsibility yourself. At least try before you give up on a concept 🤷🏻♂️
so where is johnny from the corner going to get the amount of money and time needed to successfully run? it's feels like it's blocked off that way if you don't have the money or the connections. But I'm not american. maybe it's different.
Maybe if there was a social platform that offered grants to individuals who are voted to enter the political world and begin campaigning for the next few years or something... I don't know... we just need something different.
@@josephhicklin7313 yeah. if we lower the requirements to the necessary ones then it might give some better results. I mean in my humble opinion a leader of a country is an employee of the people. Online could actually solve a lot of the problems..
what is wrong with you ECA? did you not study government in school? yes we live in a constitutional republic although a lot of democratic socialists right now are trying to convince us otherwise. our constitution has a lot of voting in it.......that does not make us a democracy in fact an actual quote from ben Franklin in response to a woman asking him, "what have you given us?" was , "a republic ma'am, if you can keep it."who knew how relevant that statement would be 300 years later
Sberg The fact that you think voting is the only way to change things is a problem. They want everyone to be convinced voting is the best way to fight cause then that’s the most a lot of people will ever do. Even if all our votes did count, you don’t get to decide what those politicians do when they get in office. I went out twice a week for about 3 years to feed homeless people in Chicago. I also voted in the last two elections. I think I did WAAAY more by feeding homeless than by voting. Most significant change in this country did not come by casting a ballot.
Better question, how are we going to change things with powerless little scribbles on paper? Because so far based on everything we're seeing, it's not working.
I will never understand why people don't use their right to vote. It makes 100% zero sense especially when you complain about decisions lawmakers are making. If you don't like it, vote. If you don't like it, get involved and at least attempt to do something about it.
Tristan Sparks- McMahon what happens when all politicians and both sides are supporting those laws? When whichever side is still not benefitting the citizens? When you have to chose between going against one thing you feel strongly about to support another topic or law. The two party system and American government only works in favor for the powerful and rich influences at the top. Voting only supports those people and justifies their actions. If the majority of citizens worked together against this system, then that’s only when there would be a true change. Until then it’ll stay the same and the small people’s voices will never be heard.
No offense, but I respectfully disagree. Yes the two party system isn't very effective (never said it was). However, the notion that the mere presence of political parties means that there is some invisible systematic oppression of the people doesn't really hold any weight simply because I son't see a shred of evidence that supports that claim. Like sure, sometimes the candidate you want doesn't make the cut but it's unfortunately just a part of the system. I don't understand how political parties have any correlation to this "oppression" that you're referencing. If someone is dissatisfied with both candidates, then that person needs to compromise and pick the candidate that they think will do the best job. What they don't need to do is "not vote because their upset that the person they thought was best didn't get selected". Doing something is better than doing nothing because frankly sitting voting out because you're angry is irresponsible and doesn't bring any real change. By not voting, you're not even trying.
I get to complain about what others are forcing into my life through a political process- Even with multiple parties, no one other person can ever actually represent me and my needs from day to day or week to week. Only I can do that. And its not my place to force my opinions onto my friends, family, neighbors through a coercive system backed by threats of violence. Voters don't get to complain because they believe in and participate in that system. They "made that bed" and have to live with whatever the outcome is.
So what's your point?? Like you're saying that you're mad because no one will ever be able to represent you accurately, which I get, but then you say that you don't want to run for office or vote? Like you're basically saying we should just sit and moan about our lawmakers while also saying that we shouldn't do anything about it? How is that productive and how does that bring about any change of any kind? And how exactly does our political system threaten people with violence to get votes?? There is absolutely no evidence to support that. To me, all these "points" are just excuses because people don't want to spend their energy contributing to our country. In my opinion.
Tristan Sparks- McMahon ruclips.net/video/eHDDQVZ-A98/видео.html because if it’s not to approval of the elite, candidates won’t even have and opportunity. Look what they did to Ron Paul. The government will continually lie to have its own political agenda pushed without any consent of the people or their votes
We all know the system is broken but I personally believe it can be salvaged if more citizens voted. My opinion was changed after taking a political science class. You’re still voting even if you don’t take 10 minutes to fill in your ballet. Change starts by voting in local representatives who fight for their constituents demands. Also, moving away from a two party system won’t happen until citizens get reps in the senate that will change it. Nothing changes without voting, are the alternatives of bloody revolution or complacency better options?
To the dude who was on the fence about staying in Brazil vs coming back to the US... because the US was going to shit while you were in Brazil.... ok, maybe I’m under a rock but WHAT?!
Brad Willett I had the same reaction. Brazil’s healthcare isn’t good either, it’s worse than America’s. And the government is in cahoots with drug dealers, and let’s not get started on the drastic divide between the huge areas of favellas and the small rich areas (which usually only the biggest drug dealers and politicians live in). America isn’t a perfect place but it’s still a 1st world country, Brazil is literally classified as a 3rd world country
Derrick made a very excellent point. Things the government give you are not a right. Rights are yours. They belong to you regardless or what anyone says or do. Saying the government gave you the right to vote means they can take it away. YOU the citizen gives them that ability when you THINK like that.
Rights are man-made constructs, like laws. There is no universal set of natural rights that everyone gets. We create rights when we all sit together and decide what rights we are going to all have and respect, but in America that is done through a representative democracy with senators and congressmen.
That’s was a non-sensical statement. You may feel you have the right to live but that doesn’t stop some o e from taking your life. Fresh air, clean water, sustenance, bear children, peace, etc...Yet many people in the U.S. and all over the world have snatched from them. Here in the U.S. people who understood its importance. Show up and vote, show up and campaign, show up and support, just show up to make sure we all have those rights... and continue to fight to keep those and others...while others sit on their hands and benefit from others hard work and struggle. You don’t like the candidates then support those you do, or run, or draft a bill, start a position, expose corruption, fundraiser for under recognized candidates you do support, post, tweet...or at the very least show up and support and vote when others take the time to do just that for all of us.
I almost completely agree with everything the non-voters said. Derrick made some very valuable points, he had a much more intellectual and philosophical approach to his discussion points. He has a great mindset and values, I felt as if he spoke for me as well haha.
+The Conscious Resistance thank you for the link, I have a greater understanding now. I agree with your perspective and your methods. I'm not an American, I'm an Australian and personally don't see myself being involved with politics in my country either. I will however make sure I have enough knowledge to understand the system of my country. I will be a non-voter in the future I'm 17, I can't vote yet but I will be using some of your strategies for greater movement. It all definitely starts from us as individuals.
“Vote with your actions every day” He says. Being a good human being and voting for policies/representatives are two entirely separate, yet both necessary things. Why replace one with another either way? No logic
Loved when the Muslim women made her point about how this system will never see her as an individual. This made me emotional because it's so real. It was a refreshing comment that help remind me of why I have to continue to fight these systems of power.
Most of America: Everyone should vote and have their voices heard! Democracy is a right! Third Party Voter: Most of America: Not you. Your wasting your vote. You should vote for who I'm voting for because (insert opposing major party candidate) is evil and you need to stop acting so privileged and vote in a way that actually makes a difference. Remember everyone. Your opinions don't matter and you shouldn't vote in a way that doesn't conform to one of two far opposing views. You think nuance is a thing? That's cute. Now just pick blue or red and keep consuming your government sanctioned propaganda. Change will happen! Don't worry! Just keep picking one of the two parties and suppress anyone that doesn't!
As a person living in a democracy that is very young when compared to the U.S, all i can say is do not take what you have for granted. VOTE!!!! Mankind does not have a better alternative system that benefits majority of society. The general public in any democracy will always lean towards policies that better themselves and so the more people get involved, the better. The one way corporations and deep pocket people win, is when you chose to sit back and not make attempts to better your own life......much love from Nairobi
I agree with the non-voters. There was no such thing as the electoral college for our vote would maybe matter. The fact that votes can be corrupted it should show that the votes don’t matter if the ones who started it with intention can change/corrupt the votes.
Can we just accept that you can choose whether to vote or not, and that is your choice and yours alone. Just leave people to do what they want, whether they vote or not.
okay, don't go on debate sessions to try to argue with people then haha. The whole point of the video is to state your opinion. Who are you communicating to?
Ray03595 where do we draw the line between stating an opinion and arguing? Is it when it becomes an opinion you don’t like, or is there an actual point?
There isn't a line and there doesn't have to be. You don't have to listen to anything you don't like. Why did you even come to a video where you know the sole purpose is two groups of people offering different opinions? If you can't handle the fact people disagree on subject matters you shouldn't have clicked.
Derrick was hella fine, and so smart and well spoken. This was one of the best Middle Ground episodes I’ve ever seen, second only to the Prostitutes & Pastors one.
beautiful people omg.. it's so refreshing and heart warming when you watch people of opposing opinions and beliefs come together so peacefully and share their thoughts with each other. I respect them all and I respect Jubilee: Middle Ground. I love this series.
If you had asked me in 2016, I would've never believed that one day I'd go from being firm on how important voting is to becoming a non-voter. Personally, I don't engage with politics or the news whatsoever anymore because I have found the harm it did to my mental health far outweighed the benefits!
When Renata stated that the political system is not supporting her religion said volumes as religion should not be part of the political agenda at all. The government should be separated from religion.
Uhhhh, this talking point again. For the kids in the back, a republic is meant to be a form of democracy. And arguing that something is designed to be less equal and free is not a good argument.
You're implying that the only change happens through political power, which is not true. You impact your community on an individual level a whole lot more than your single vote does.
@@Andreas4696 without political power any individual change you make can be wiped out. live green all you want, and Trump will destroy public lands and remove restrictions on manufacturing. personally believe women should have control over their bodies and Trump will nominate a Supreme Court justice to overturn the laws that give woman that control. etc, etc, etc. and if you aren’t voting locally your reps won’t be fighting for the things you believe in, they’ll continue fighting for what the lobbyists and voters unlike you want. if you aren’t voting, you aren’t protecting anything for everyone, you’re just yelling into the void
Agree, I actually both support it being easier to vote, but also making it mandatory. As in you get fined if you do not. If enough people dont vote, interests groups take over and they never have your best interests in mind.
The black red-haired girl said it best at the beginning. People for centuries were prevented from voting. Minorities, women, etc. And those groups had to fight and struggle for that right.
The Spanish lady has a good point. There are so many that don't have the right to vote. She votes for them. I can't disagree with that.
Except she doesn't know what the others will want to vote for, plus I doubt the oppressed people in the east and in the south care about American politics. I'm sure the Spanish lady means well, I guess the idea is what counts.
@@Oshaoxin agreed. She cant vote for them but she can vote because of them. But like you said I'm sure she means well.
Should she vote for people that don't contribute to our system through taxes?
@MsAmandaLynn Fact. Anyone who disagrees does so on moral standing, which is entirely besides the point. The truth doesn't care about misguided compassion.
lol, how does she know what they want? Cause they speak the same language?
If your vote didn’t matter lobbyists wouldn’t spend billions trying to influence it, politicians wouldn’t try to gerrymander and suppress it, and corporations wouldn’t try to buy it.
YOUR VOTE MATTERS. VOTE.
AsiniusNaso that’s precisely the reason WHY votes don’t matter. Lobbyists and corporations run this country and almost every elected official will act in THEIR interests, not ours. As far as influencers go, even they are owned by corporations. They control the framing and the narrative.
Or that's exactly why it doesn't matter. Politicians are in bed with lobbyist. They have control over the rules when it comes to voting. When the Democrats were found to have robbed the nomination it showed no matter how strong the opposition they have the power to get what they want.
Also I live in a red state, in a red county, in a red town. Independents make up not even 10% of the population. We are outnumbered by even democrats. So please tell me how my vote matters when even if every single Independent voted we'd still be out voted.
AsiniusNaso no it doesn’t it’s already been proven politicians are chosen, do research and stop being naive
Exactly! It seems like other people have just given up, but at least people like us exist, and we will vote for the change we want to see.
AsiniusNaso Gerrymander is a word derived from a shitty ancestor of mine. Elbridge Gerry. He created the electoral college.
I love how respectful everyone is.
Most of the time starting out with something like “I see your point, however”
And then stating their claim.
- dodolandie - one of the best middle ground groups to date!
Agreed. I'm not a confrontational person so I was concerned this would stress me out to watch but it was very interesting and enjoyable even.
PickUpTheDarnBook me too
I have one comment on not voting and thinking that’s enough: “Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” - Elie Wiesel
You do not fix a system in disrepair by simply abdicating participation/endeavoring in/with it.
Who is the oppressor? The ones you say? What if none of the candidates are worth spitting on the ground for like democrat candidates. I don't want any of them in Oval Office.
So by that logic shouldn't something have changed by now? The people who are voting should be calling all the shots so we should be living in a utopia by now right? Money talks and is the only thing that matters in the political world
Just because you throw out a quote from some random woman doesn't exemplify what you say and make it truth
xeikai Money = Better and more strategic campaigning = better chances of getting elected
Elie Wiesel :(
I really try to be open minded but voting is a privilege that so many people in the world don’t have. As both a POC and a woman my predecessors had to fight for their rights to be able to vote in this country and I’m not going to forfeit that right just because the country hasn’t been moving in the direction I want it to. That seems like the equivalent of throwing a tantrum when things don’t go your way.
Voting is a right in this country (assuming we're talking about the USA or another democraticly electoral country), NOT a privilege like everyone likes to say.
Yasmine Ameena very well said
Lilium. Rights are inherent and irrevocable. In my state (Florida) along with I think 3 others felons lose their ability to vote so technically voting can be defined as a privilege here. When I spoke about women and POC fighting for the “right” to vote I used the word right because that’s how it was afforded to us in the Constitution.
Yasmine Ameena The Constitution mentions "the right to vote" five times. Thus I believe it should be an irrevocable right afforded to all citizens of this country as well as permanent immigrants. The Supreme Court has consistently ruled that voting is in fact a privilege, but that does not mean I have to agree with their decision, although it does mean that I must abide by it lawfully speaking.
The Conscious Resistance I believe in one’s right to autonomy, if someone doesn’t want to vote they shouldn’t be forced to. On the same note, the law is powerful and will probably impact lives on a larger scale than any type of individual impact we might try to make on our own.
I personally don’t think my vote matters but I vote anyway just so I can complain when things go to shit
Jeremy Hayes this is the most accurate shit I've ever seen
Why doesn't it matter? Spread that to a general application and say voting doesn't matter. It does. It matters on the big level of if nobody votes nothing happens. And on the personal scale, if you dont vote, and if the next person doesn't. And the next. Then nobody does.
+Pseudonymou Being right... except whether or not I vote has nothing whatsoever to do with whether or not the next person votes... you're reasoning is only valid if you assume that my vote influences whether or not other people vote, which it doesn't.
The Conscious Resistance On the contrary. If you don’t vote, you don’t have a right to complain. You had an opportunity to at least try to change to country to what you want and you didn’t take it. Now you got to shut up and live with the consequences
@@akaakaakaak5779
Ok. Problem is its not just you, quite large percentage of countries populations don't come out to vote. Whether that is by choice is another discussion but whatever.
When one person doesn't vote it doesn't matter. But whatever made that one person vote likely is also the cause of another persons actions. The thought that's you dont matter, that you're one, well surely many people - to be reasonable all rational people - know that. However, that's a thought because of which people dont vote. That's a popular, probably universal thought, everyone knows they dont really matter (well most people) and when everyone thinks so nobody votes. And then even a single person voting matters.
You aren't special or single. You're part of a large group whos voice could matter.
These videos really should be longer.
15 minutes isn’t quite enough to settle into a deeper discussion that these topics usually benefit from.
Lol fr
I think they should do two versions of the same topic a longer one and a shorter one like this.
@@kylelyn3208 Exactly! A long AND a short version
I agree with Talisa (woman with the off shoulder top)
As a woman, and a black woman at that, I honestly think it would be disrespectful of me not to vote because so many people suffered and died for the right to vote so that in the future, people like me would be able to be heard
It isn't about whether I like the candidates or not, it should be about which candidate I think is going to benefit me as a citizen and the country as a whole
It's not always so simple though.
What if your "best candidate" has pro-African-American policies right alongside anti-LGBTQ policies?
The fewer options we're given, the less actual choice that we have.
Just because someone fought for the right doesnt mean you have to use that right
But then voting becomes symbolic and that's not its purpose
🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬🇳🇬 ayyeeee
Do you live In Nigeria?
Yeah but its extremely discouraging for me as a black womanand to other poc and gay people who also had similar rights taken away when both of the candidates suck ass and are only looking out for themselves thats what my main problem with voting is Republicans and democrats dont care about us amd its like we all have to break our backs trying yo fit in these spaces that aren't for us
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." Voting matters.
A C injustice is in the hands of all of the politicians. In the hands of government. Don’t stay neutral; oppose the oppressing system.
A C 👏👏👏
black or white fallacy.
yup
Damn, yall all are wrong. Looking at this situation like it's black or white. Sure the system has many flaws but chosing not to participate is signing away your only power in said system. Whether you like it or not, the system we are using today still is in place so I believe that you should express your voice in it while also gaining support to amend it. Not participating in. The current system can only hurt us as a country because our beliefs won't accurately be accounted for.
Everything the non-voters say is true, but it’s still not a good enough reason to not vote.
Any reason not to vote is good enough
Its because there really aren't many reason to vote.
I'd really like to ask non-voting activists what they're doing to help people on the ground. Because I want to do more than donate, protest, and vote, but can't figure out better ways than those three to create change in the country, even though none of those three seem to do all that much.
@@leoweinreb9920 Exactly! But you have to hit them where it hurts with the masses. Only reason the bus boycott worked during the civil rights movement was because the state was losing money. They were forced to integrate buses. Running for office helps, look at AOC.
Because?
„My vote doesn’t matter.“
-Said 10 Million people
*100 mil
If you arent a Democrat in California, your vote for President does not matter.
@@erictheguapo if we didn't have the electoral college, the 10 million people's votes would have mattered and any others in any other states for that matter
Eric McIntyre what does that mean?? Dems in California are the only voters?
@@redicd6857 Majority vote wins. For example, California overwhelmingly voted for Hilary so any Californian that voted for Trump didnt matter and their votes were not counted towards any electorial vote.
My issue with Derrick is that he's an activist, but how does he plan to make the changes that he's advocating for if he doesn't vote? Policies in this country aren't changed by the public. They're changed by the representatives that we elect.
The argument is that we don't necessarily elect them. Representatives are picked by parties, and we vote for the party. This is flawed because the policies desired by that party can change based on who they happen to choose to represent them without the approval of anyone else.
Media and culture. Music, video-games, art, poetry, movies, books, conventions, fundraisers, food drives, protests, etc. Once you crack open a history book ; you'll come to realization that voting has never accomplished much of anything when it came to advocating for actual change or getting things done. The American Civil Rights movement that the black woman brought up ; was brought about by creating a counter-culture that was designed to combat the abuse and infringement of peoples liberties at the time(the 1st Amendment) ; NOT marking a ballot.
Doing it himself. If he wants cleaner streets then organizing a street cleaning or something like that I imagine.
@@Corey1873 Exactly. Instead of going down to the booth every 4 years to scratch off a ballot and disappear ; he actually gets off his ass and does something.
@@ravinglibertopian3226 I agree, but you should vote at all levels and not just once every 4 years.
i loved how respectful this group was to one another. very important to have in today’s society.
SCORPIO sarcasm
@SCORPIO she is probably following her religious customs. Women don't have to hug every man either.
@@dasbestgirlever muslims agenda idk what is she talking about like what is the agenda
it’s not necessarily such a divisive subject
People who don’t vote can’t make a good argument not to vote, being respectful of that doesn’t help.
There should be a "blank vote" for citizens who do not stand with any of the candidates, that way everybody can be heard. If a majority of voters voted "blank" then let's organize new elections with decent candidates this time. Democracy, not presidential dictatures... In France there is a "blank vote" but it it does not appear in the final results, it should be!
Fantastic idea
It's not just France, almost countries that elections are obligatory, it is that way. And you always have to choose between two main figures: one from the extreme left, or right. It doesn't matter if it has multiple parties. It's always that way, and they are both bad choises, since they can't seem to find good aspects from each side and be in a middle ground.
We do. It’s called other. And you write it in.
you can. you can waste your vote just put a giant line through it, it still gets counted but as "wasted"
Chelsea Ryland well I don’t know about other countries but in France you can leave the vote blank, and it is legal and counted as an opinion. However if you draw or write or misuse the vote then it’s wasted.
MINIMALISTS VS COLLECTORS
YES
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Omg. This would be juicy
LITERALLY SUCH A GOOD IDEA OH MY GOD
Yess
do vegetarians vs vegans because they are similar but very different usually. (saying this as a vegan) oh and don't use ONLY like hippie vegans plz cuz it misrepresents us ty.
I am a Swiftie but 80% are hippie so it’s gonna be harsh
@@tatyanachris7520 not really, hippie vegans are just a loud minority
Marie Lula I’m a vegetarian, I think that’s a great idea
Marie Lula
also a vegetarian & i would love to see this! i hope they talk about how many vegetarians would like to go vegan.
vegetarian here
Personally, I often feel as though my vote doesn't matter. However, if a large majority of people (mainly millennials, like myself) ALSO think that their vote doesn't matter, then you have thousands of people who aren't voting. With that in mind, I always vote anyway.
One of the non-voters brought up that one reason he didn't vote was because he lived in California. And California almost always votes for the Democratic candidate, so he felt like his vote for republican would be useless. I also live in a state (Alabama) that has swayed toward one party significantly more than the other for decades, so it can be discouraging most times. But, again, it's important to remember that you are one of thousands who also think that their vote doesn't matter. Reach out to people who have the same mindset, and be the change.
EXACTLY
if a strand of hair falls from your head, does it matter?
etf42 no, pal, but if thousands of people are in the same room together and a strand of hair falls from each of their heads, you’d have a pretty nasty floor. My metaphor is stupid, but so is yours.
the point is that an individual vote does not matter
etf42 I think you missed my point. (:
The dude with the black shirt is a good ass listener
i agree. look at the way he's listening to the other speaker.
It's worth taking notes from people like that. It's actually quite valuable to have those skills, to at least make someone *feel* like they're being listened to. You don't have to be engaged in every conversation that comes your way because odds are there are going to be some boring talks - but nodding, asking questions, showing them that your brain isn't 100% turned off when they speak is enough to make a positive impact on the way they perceive you.
Suggestion :
Astrologers and non believers in astrology (try to find a middle ground )
Astrology is beyond stupid , thats not even a real issue wtf
And that's how the chair gets thrown
I think it could work... It's not a big issue, but some people who believe in astrology get REALLY into it... Not all the middle grounds need to be the big political topics...
That’s a good one
Those who believe in a fiction vs those who don't (try to find a middle ground )
I originally come from Switzerland, now live in the UK. Swiss citizens are asked to vote on any topic (could be immigration reform or adding an extra week of holiday) 4 times a year, and we have 11 parties represented in parliament. Any citizen can create a new law that, if it gathers enough signatures, will be put to the vote. Coming from that background, I believe in voting 100% percent. I am extremely proud of this system, which gives a voice to every single one of us on any piece of legislation.
However, I do understand the disillusion Americans and British people can feel with their voting system. Both systems are similar in the sense that your vote will only count in either your state or constituency, and there are only two parties that really matter. The American parties baffle me by how wide their ideological range is. I think it is time to split both parties. Have Trump and friends create a new far right party, and Bernie, Warren and others create a socialist party. And some high profile Democrats could join the Greens as well to raise their profile a bit. This would help people vote for parties that are closer to their beliefs. But for this to work, BOTH parties have to do it, or we'll end up with the same problem as in the UK, where the left is fragmented into a few smaller parties, but not the right, which seems to gives it a bit of an advantage. And that's not democracy either.
This was tremendously insightful, I’ve been in support of this notion but was unaware it had been implemented, have a good day sir
@@diskid3644 same I've thought of that exact same concept but didn't know it existed
Ich liebe die Schweiz so sehr….
this is off topic but... she's 42? WOW! She looks GREAT!😍😍😍😍😍
RIGHTTT.
She looks it
I'm blsck
she looks like she is in her 30s
Lol I had a black teacher and she always said black people don't age 😂
IKR M
WHEN THE ASIAN DUDE WENT IN FOR A HUG WITH THE MUSLIM WOMAN I CRIED HAHAHA, it's the thought that counts bud, thank you, virtual hugs!
But she hugged the guy in the green shirt in the end
Why not the asian? That confused me
Yeah I thought that was weird too I think it’s because maybe she didn’t like him because he said he was slightly right leaning or maybe because of something else that he said which is weird because he seemed like an extremely nice and friendly dude throughout the whole video
Maria Aguilar top ten questions science can’t answer
asians are haram!
maxim menage what do u mean by that? I’m asian and also a muslim
I would love to see a Pro Palestinian And Zionitsts middle ground episode
Sana Iseed agree
You know if that happens, chances are the comments will be disabled.
That couldn't happen tho cos there is no such thing as a palestine
Daz Friend there always has to be an idiot like yourself in the comment section...
I was just wondering but what is that?
In India in elections we have an option called NOTA which means
None of The Above...
We press that button if we don't like any other party
As an anarchist I think that definitely makes sense.
In the UK, spoilt ballots are counted as spoilt and parties would try to win over those people
@@taxslave5906 anarcho capitalism is awful
Do Eastern Religion vs Abrahamic Religion. It would be juicy.
@Social Justice Warrior it is, Abrahamic Religion consider their raligion based on God Words and claim Eastern Religions is a product of culture / human thinking.
@Social Justice Warrior except you are talking about secular Christian or Jewish. Which doesn't have any problem with other religion.
wkwkw my fellow country
Oh yeaaaaa
@Social Justice Warrior
Yeah, I have had occasions to discuss and debate with friends of many faiths; there's dispute. I think that would be a good vid
*6:53** this is the first time I saw no one stepping forward*
I wasn't surprised AT ALL.
Lmao that felt like when the teachers asks a question and no one raises their hand then once the awkward silence comes everyone starts to chuckle 😂😂
I actually was surprised by that. it's obvious that our party system has a lot of problems, but parties are inevitable and it's way way way better to have 2 of them instead of a bunch of them.
frnk Why is it better to have only two parties? I understand not wanting to have like 20 of them because then it would become difficult to keep track of but in Canada we have 5 major parties. I think with 5 it allows us to have a little more freedom and it gives us more of a chance to find a party that fits closer to our actual beliefs.
"those not interested in politics will always be ruled by those who are"
...or sum'm like that.
that's an opinion not a fact
"I absolutely agree, I just won't follow you into the ballot box."
This gets to the core of the divide.
Make a Democrats and Republicans middle ground! Man, talk about whipping up some SERIOUS popcorn, lol 😂
forever hope i think they did
Theyre essentially the same with some variations
@@karenkiernan4642 _oh boy_
Democrats would just cry and spew feelings while republicans usually decide logically.
@@xmantrans4846 I don't understand how you can just generalize millions of people, whichever party they may be. Some Republicans are emo little bitches, some democrats are complete garbage spewing assholes. Some republicans are amazing and helpful and kind, some democrats are respectful and logical. We're all going to lose if we keep pointing fingers at a mass of people and put them ALL into one box.
"The people who are under attack are the individuals"
God, I feel that's so true.
*WE SHOULD HAVE MODERATES AND RADICALS ON MIDDLE GROUND*
YES
The radicals will just start fighting eachother instead 🤷♂️
Hyper Indigo, I thought that too. They’d have to choose carefully with the questions 😂
That's pretty broad and you have radicals on both sides (usually claiming the radicals are all on the other). How do you pick?
Jacob Staten they’d have to pick from both sides.
Were you happy with the 2016 candidates? Do you support the 2 party system?
*****crickets*****
Excellent.
my favriote part!
For real For real.
I was so happy that no one walked up for those two.
This country will one day wake up and changed the Two party sytem and the "Winner take all" rule when it comes to voting.
@@slimemold4767 *favorite
alvallac21 you got what they were saying, so it’s fine.
No and no :)
People fought for the right to vote. Use it.
people used to ride horses and buggys
Yes, fought! And millions died so we could vote.
fairlylocalmemer
People fought for the right to willingly vote or willingly not vote.
They both exist for a reason. I’ll use it when the candidates aren’t total fuck ups.
If voting wasn't as unimportant as these people claim, then why would the government stop a certain demographic from doing that in the first place?
As a voter I acknowledge those same people fought for the right not to.
A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years. -Lysander Spooner
Voting is merely giving into the statist system.
Man or woman
@@ohhah1255 and that's why Women got the right to vote
Voter turnout in the us is about 60% all those people in the 40% claim they won’t make a difference. 40% not 12% not 5%, 40% of the total US population don’t believe their vote can make a difference
And thats period
I personally don't believe my vote truly matters, but I still choose to vote in hopes that it could. I suppose it's a bit like praying to a god I don't totally believe exists, or driving even though I have no destination. It's a privilege/opportunity offered to me and I'm going to take it.
slimkt - Makes sense until the media blames YOU for the outrage-of-the-week, painting you an enemy of the “other side” by default, and creating further division between you and your neighbor, all because you wanted to drive with no destination, and waste gas....
Hyper Indigo I won't say there isn't some validity in your statement, but no one but the people counting my vote ever have to know who or what I vote for. I can vote without stating which parties or candidates I do or don't align with, and no one would be the wiser as to what/whom I opposed unless I was vocal about it. Besides, if I let negative opinions of me control what I do or what I believe in, I'd never say or do anything.
slimkt - That’s true, for the most part, however by playing the game at all, the toxicity will inevitably drive you further to one position.
That’s the nature of the beast.
You won’t realize it, but it will happen.
slimkt the problem with this is that it keeps you believing the fantasy instead of actually doing something useful. Just imagine if you realized that your vote truly didn’t matter. What would you do? You would take action and go protest. Imagine now that millions of people instead of voting marched to DC and demanded the government to hear their voice. I was shocked that Americans decided to vote for Hillary or Trump instead of marching to DC and demanding both candidates to be replaced by more appropriate options
Нилл since when did the two become mutually exclusive? You can march/protest/rally and still vote. Most people do both because unfortunately, protesting doesn't always work.
I like and agree with what derrick said about people popping up and all of a sudden acting like they know whats going on and how he wants to encourage people to vote with their being.
Hope everyone get rich and be successful in whatever Y'all doing in life💯💯👑
Kung-Fu Kenny Family thanks lol
Kung-Fu Kenny Family I saw you under another video a couple days ago, HEY!!! 👋🏾
Thanks. You too.🙂
Thanks
😢😢 thanks man
I hate the shame factor. It is YOUR right to vote and it is also YOUR right not to vote. As long as YOU are making the conscious decision to engage/not engage in the process, no one has any right to dictate to you what YOU should or should not do. That being said, if there is a force preventing you from voting, that is a different issue.
JackHayabusa very well said
There is a force. It's called Liberalism.
I also don't want to shame stupid and/or uninterested people into politics so they can base their votes on something so simple as "Hillary is a woman!" or "Trump is a Republican!" If we could have the people who cared and looked into politics being the ones voting in politics then we could ACTUALLY change things for the better... Instead we need to include the majority who are not politically minded meaning they don't vote politically minded...
JackHayabusa the reason why people shame non voters is because they’re the reason why progression is so slow. It tends to be the most progressive people who believe their vote doesn’t matter. So we move forward so slowly because all of the old ignorant people are the ones who love to vote.
JackHayabusa Fuck that. You’re lazy if you don’t vote and you officially sign away your right to complain when you decide not to vote because you didn’t try to get the outcome you wanted.
Regardless of if it matters or not, I will exercise my right to vote always. Especially in 2020.
heck yes, trump has to go!!!!
@@analara9872 LMFAO yeah good luck with that one buddy
you are the reason why nothing will ever change. you accept the corruption. you accept the broken system. you accept con artists for politicians. congratulations
Ana Lara yall r stuck w joe biden and trump now. my condolences.
@@yasmin-lx4kb hey I'm not trying to sound rude I'm just letting you know we can still vote for Sanders he's still on the ballot he's just not out there as much p.s what country do you live in scince you said y'all
non voters are NOT allowed to complain when something does not go their way .
Look up George Carlin about non voters then get back to me.
Jessel - YOU HAVE IT THE WRONG WAY ROUND
Voters can't complain either. You *consent* when you cast a vote.
"Something" could mean a lot of things, most of which have nothing to do with who the president is. Also, are you allowed to complain when the person you voted for is in power?
The way I see it ; whether you vote or not, if your paying taxes, you absolutely ARE allowed to complain when something doesn't go a certain way.
Lmfao when the dude with glasses tried to hug the muslim girl i loled so hard his reaction was so cute
me too rigth?
I also forget muslims do not hug the opposute sex unless it's family lol.
😭😭 I didn’t know and then I remembered then I felt bad! haha
I know right she is sexist.
Panos Eufraimidis to be fair it was because of her religion, so not ‘sexism’ as such.. but treating another person differently because of their sex is the very definition of sexism, so that edict of Islam is sexist.
“...too far left”? I saw very little of that in the 2016 election. I don’t think Americans know what “left-wing” politics means anymore..
Media influence and people's view changes the words differently I mean what is "Way to left" or "Way To right" Or way to liberal and Way to conservative means now a days. I have no clue anymore why would they used this lazy definition and just directly say straight to the point.
lol that was what I was thinking.
Yeah America should be more left, dump republicans
The democrat candidates were more left-wing than Trump is right-wing. Especially Bernie Sanders.
@@keela2890 So long as there is a steady voting block of scared white people the Republicans will do just fine.
Everybody has a right to complain by definition. Freedom of speech. You also have the right to not listen or disagree.
I’m glad these videos are getting better! They’re not being cutoff in the middle of a conversation for the time, so it feels more relaxed.
I haven’t watched all Middle Ground episodes, but from the ones I have seen, this is the only one in which I could relate to at least some of the opinions of ALL participants.
In every other episode, there was one or more of the participants I thought were either not reasonable (by that I mean did not give reason to their opinions) or ignorant (to the extent of rudeness).
Keep up the good work, @Jubilee. I hope to make a difference at one point, as you are with your works.
I completely agree with you!
Mango same actually. I 100% believe everyone’s vote matters and if you don’t vote, you’re part of the problem. HOWEVER, I understand why these people think this way, “why partake in a flawed system”. I can understand that.
Mango I’ve seen a fair amount of them, and I have to say this is probably the one in which I most related to something every participant said.
In other episodes, I could respect the opinion because they’d give reason to their view but didn’t agree.
OR
In some episodes, the person wouldn’t give reason so I couldn’t relate to what their views were. And in some cases, some participants were rude, loud, or downright annoying.
This group was lovely though.
DACA Vs Non DACA supporters
Not true
DACA es CACA 💩
You guys ^^^ im pretty sure shes suggesting that as an episode
I would love to see that! Especially with immigrants represented on both sides. I have some friends that had to wait 20 years to come to the country, and they have some interesting views about DACA. I would love to see views from all different kinds of people represented on the DACA issue.
Annaclare S yes I was hoping about this.
How did they get the non-voters there to participate? 😂
Whats your point? That people who dont vote are lazy?
@@deansheppard1104 I think it's more an implied reference that those who don't vote don't want their voices heard.
@@personalaccount4850 thats ok then but people have to remember that non voters still pay taxes , if people dont want to vote thats their choice .
@@deansheppard1104 I don't see how paying taxes equates to not voting, given that taxes aren't how you gain the right to freedom of choice, if they don't want to vote they don't have too, whether they pay taxes or not. Although I would say, if they don't vote then they aren't getting a choice in where their taxes going either.
@@personalaccount4850 paying taxes equates contributing to society soo no one has the right to judge non voters because they are contribuiting i never said tax paying= non voting.
By voting you are not deciding where your taxes are going , you re just choosing the people who are gonna spend it (there is a diffrence between direct democracy and democratic republic ) , in 2016 for example the US (im not american by the way , im just using the US has an example , i dont care about its politics) gave 38 bilion $ to israel for their defence , did the voters decide that? I doubt it , voters just decide their leaders.
Writing a name in a piece of paper and putting it in ballot box is nothing special , anyone can do it , there are more noble goals ( charity, finding a cure for cancer...etc) to waste energy on , the time you waste on researching politicians soo you can decide which politician should vote could be used on improving yourself or take care of your family .
1 vote wont change anything , wasting effort on something you have no power on (politics ) is not worth it in my opinion . i respect your opinion , i hope you respect mine too.
“Proud to be an American” *doesn’t vote*
David Read you don’t have to vote to be proud of your culture/country? Not voting is a right too
David Read if you don’t have an opinion about something and still vote, aren’t u skewing the overall opinion of the country
In my case, “proud to be an American” is for the people. The people, especially the immigrants (even though we are all immigrants) is what make this country. Not the politicians or the power hungry assholes in power. What makes America great is the people: the immigrants, the minorities, the Indigenous! The overall culture and diversity that we have in this country may not be perfect, but it is growing and it is the best. I’m proud to be an American FOR and BY the people. (P.S this is my first primary election that I will vote and there are no presidents candidate that I’m not convinced to vote for, but I will still vote for any laws that are worth passing).
So that means we’re ashamed to be American bc we don’t vote? Smfh ok
@@agfromdai.e3806 yes thats what ot means
This is a really good one. So respectful and great conversation
This is one of the best middle ground videos ever. I loved the peacefulness and them allowing others to speak. Amazing Jubilee 💛 you keep on changing the world and open minds 💛
This is the most understanding conversation I’ve seen, nobody is disrespectful and they all understand the other side
Random: Renata's outfit is on point! I love the way she styled her jumpsuit and all. Rocking her religious beliefs in full fashion!
Funny, I was just thinking her outfit was terrible n was tryna figure out if she’s Muslim or not
I'm so glad they brought up the local election thing! Absolutely, voting for the president may not change the outcome, but in the tiny elections? It ABSOLUTELY does! I'm proud of this group, they all talked very respectfully, so this was great to watch!
When no one walked up for the candidates of 2016 I was CRYING!! 🤣🤣
Voting doesn’t make sense in a two party system. People aren’t voting for who they want to win, but against who they want to lose. If both parties want to marginalize me, why on earth would I pick one of them to represent me and my interests? Yet, when I pick someone who does represent my interests, I’ve wasted my vote - because of me the one that we don’t want most will win.
Gerrymandering also effectively makes your vote matter less. Not to mention that the electoral college delegates can ignore who their constituents want.
I vote in local elections if a candidate will help people, otherwise that doesn’t have a point either.
electoral college pretty much always voted the same as the majority in which the college represents. I think there have only been one instance where that was not the case. But yes I think everyone can agree a two-party system is flawed and is no different from many transitional-dictatorial governments
@@neurofiedyamato8763 America isn't a two party system because there only two political parties, but because we have a system where the party with the support of the majority implement policies, instead of merely a plurality.
@@mikebalderston2723 I don't mean US is a two-party system by design. But it is two-party in practice. it has been like this since the start. Its quite clear majority don't like it but it still happens.
Anyone voting for a 3rd party don't stand a chance because not enough people have faith in winning if they vote 3rd party. Its a eternal cycle.
The 2 main parties also are the biggest with the most member, the most finance and most connections. So its only natural they have an edge in winning.
@@neurofiedyamato8763 I agree it would be refreshing to see a third party gain majority vote. But my point is that the two-party system came to be because of the choice of the people. Not by law. This is why voting in your local community is equally important as participating in presidential elections. Many people don't even know who their representatives in congress are, even though they vote in the electoral college, and are responsible for legislating. So simply saying that their votes don't matter because they didn't like either candidates isn't really a good argument if you don't even participate in your immediate communities
Does no one get the point of the third party? It has had a significant impact in America since our government is based on majority votes not who has the most. The third party can prevent one of the two parties from gaining a majority when it is neck and neck. This forces the two parties to adopt and discuss the concerns of the third party. It has been a while since I was in government, but it seems people don't understand what makes our voting system great. It's not a true democracy as many of our founding fathers were against, but a republic.
The system always wins no matter who you vote for
10:57 I totally agree with the non-voter here. And the examples the voter gave actually strenghten the non-voter's position without realising it.
He said "women's rights, african american rights" without realising voting is not the way those people got their rights, they got their rights by revolting, protesting and fighting, with bottom-up tactics. Not putting a paper into a box, pressing a button every 2 or 4 years.
You think AAs got their rights via protests? No, AAs got their rights because the protests alarmed the average voter and the news and politicians who weren't convinced it was the right thing to do were confronted with being on the wrong side of history and not being re-elected. Why do you think these things happened to be more effective when the TV cameras weren't around? Remember Occupy Wall street? How many of their demands do you think were enacted? You know why? Because the average assumed protestor eventually thought they were misguided and politicians saw that. Every time an unarmed black kid is killed by a cop there is a march and a protest. How many laws have been enacted or passed to prevent that? You know why? Because other than something to see, those protests don't touch what they see as the average voter therefore they are ignored.
Kevin Kalbermatten I disagree. it triggered it but the ultimate decision would lie on who others have put in power. If you can't vote, your opinion will never matter. Those who could got a liberal enough person in power and AA got civil rights. That's why voting matters. They had been fighting this battle for decades with multiple presidents. The person others put in power was the decider. It's why voting is a privilege and should not be taken for granted.
Kevin Kalbermatten why are those mutually exclusive?
Yea but weren't those amendments put in place ultimately because the people in "power" voted on them? Extending this power to more people seems like a good solution to get more people represented in politics. At the end of the day, voters are the ones who implement policies. So its better for everyone to have this power to elect their representatives.
A lot of the civil rights movement was underlined by politicians trying to gather votes
No vote? No right to complain. The system is not perfect, but it will never change by inaction on your part.
If you would like to understand why I dont vote ( I am the green shirt guy from the video) please read this: theconsciousresistance.com/2016/02/heres-why-i-dont-vote/
Tell me this how has your life changed by voting?
I loved the whole "if you vote independent or don't vote Trump will win!" my first reaction is that either way I'll be unhappy because regardless of what happens I didn't get what I want.... which was neither of them.
Side note I feel like the nonvoters had better explanations as to WHY they didn't/don't vote, they felt more collected as if they've truly thought it through and I honestly agree with them. To brake a point down simply we all acknowledge that the system is broken or doesn't represent us the way it should yet you continue to use it. That is the equivalency of trying to fill a shattered glass cup with water, it's not going to work just because you hope it will.
Change does need to start at the bottom and perhaps the outcome is not the none voters fault but the people who DID vote for Hillary or Trump. Those of us who where neutral probably felt like there was no hope because those 2 where being so heavily pushed mainstream, independents don't have as much coverage or awareness in the masses and I think only those that where actively in politics would be aware of the independent candidates that they wanted. Also that the neutrals would had to of come to and agreement on which independent in order to of had the slightest chance of comparing to the 2 main candidates. You had the option of 3rd parties too but you guys limited yourselves to those 2.
People tend to go to whatever is heavily marketed because they don't have to do in-depth research, don't try to shame others because they didn't agree with you on Trump or Hillary. If you truly support the ideals of democracy and your right to vote than you'd take more care in who you vote for... that candidate will have the power to change the country and represent us. The least you can do if you're going to vote is be informed and choose the best candidate because they are RIGHT for the job not because you know their name. So really the results boil down to ignorance and peoples lack of diligence in politics.
thank you!
Is no one else going to talk about Andrews face expressions 😂😂
LOL!!
This is the 1st episode where I actually agreed with everyone.
I didn't think this would be productive, but I learned a lot from this. I never knew there was such a strong argument against voting.
I understand both sides but I think at the end of the day, you choose to make your impact in whatever way you feel will make the _most_ impact.
Could you do a Middle Ground behind the scenes video?! 🙏🏼🙌🏼❤️
If you don't vote because you feel you don't have representation, perhaps you should encourage a leader in your community or take up the responsibility yourself. At least try before you give up on a concept 🤷🏻♂️
so where is johnny from the corner going to get the amount of money and time needed to successfully run? it's feels like it's blocked off that way if you don't have the money or the connections. But I'm not american. maybe it's different.
Maybe if there was a social platform that offered grants to individuals who are voted to enter the political world and begin campaigning for the next few years or something... I don't know... we just need something different.
@@josephhicklin7313 yeah. if we lower the requirements to the necessary ones then it might give some better results. I mean in my humble opinion a leader of a country is an employee of the people. Online could actually solve a lot of the problems..
We do not live in a democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic.
Nope, representative democracy
you technically do live in a Democracy but there is am democracy dating.
Hurr durrr LoOK aT mE Im sMArT
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@@eca3101 You're the only dumbass here
what is wrong with you ECA? did you not study government in school? yes we live in a constitutional republic although a lot of democratic socialists right now are trying to convince us otherwise. our constitution has a lot of voting in it.......that does not make us a democracy in fact an actual quote from ben Franklin in response to a woman asking him, "what have you given us?" was , "a republic ma'am, if you can keep it."who knew how relevant that statement would be 300 years later
"Its not giving up its just approaching it in a diffrent way" how tf are you gonna change things without voting?!
Sberg The fact that you think voting is the only way to change things is a problem. They want everyone to be convinced voting is the best way to fight cause then that’s the most a lot of people will ever do. Even if all our votes did count, you don’t get to decide what those politicians do when they get in office. I went out twice a week for about 3 years to feed homeless people in Chicago. I also voted in the last two elections. I think I did WAAAY more by feeding homeless than by voting. Most significant change in this country did not come by casting a ballot.
Better question, how are we going to change things with powerless little scribbles on paper?
Because so far based on everything we're seeing, it's not working.
They took the video down because under Renata’s name they put voter instead of non-voter
I love it when people don’t vote but complain about who is elected
I love it when ppl who DO vote and vote in someone incompetent and then complain. It goes both ways.
If you pay taxes, you have a right to complain
@@save.us_kby7202 PREACH
"Damned if i do damned if i don't"
I will never understand why people don't use their right to vote. It makes 100% zero sense especially when you complain about decisions lawmakers are making. If you don't like it, vote. If you don't like it, get involved and at least attempt to do something about it.
Tristan Sparks- McMahon what happens when all politicians and both sides are supporting those laws? When whichever side is still not benefitting the citizens? When you have to chose between going against one thing you feel strongly about to support another topic or law. The two party system and American government only works in favor for the powerful and rich influences at the top. Voting only supports those people and justifies their actions. If the majority of citizens worked together against this system, then that’s only when there would be a true change. Until then it’ll stay the same and the small people’s voices will never be heard.
No offense, but I respectfully disagree. Yes the two party system isn't very effective (never said it was). However, the notion that the mere presence of political parties means that there is some invisible systematic oppression of the people doesn't really hold any weight simply because I son't see a shred of evidence that supports that claim. Like sure, sometimes the candidate you want doesn't make the cut but it's unfortunately just a part of the system. I don't understand how political parties have any correlation to this "oppression" that you're referencing. If someone is dissatisfied with both candidates, then that person needs to compromise and pick the candidate that they think will do the best job. What they don't need to do is "not vote because their upset that the person they thought was best didn't get selected". Doing something is better than doing nothing because frankly sitting voting out because you're angry is irresponsible and doesn't bring any real change. By not voting, you're not even trying.
I get to complain about what others are forcing into my life through a political process- Even with multiple parties, no one other person can ever actually represent me and my needs from day to day or week to week. Only I can do that. And its not my place to force my opinions onto my friends, family, neighbors through a coercive system backed by threats of violence. Voters don't get to complain because they believe in and participate in that system. They "made that bed" and have to live with whatever the outcome is.
So what's your point?? Like you're saying that you're mad because no one will ever be able to represent you accurately, which I get, but then you say that you don't want to run for office or vote? Like you're basically saying we should just sit and moan about our lawmakers while also saying that we shouldn't do anything about it? How is that productive and how does that bring about any change of any kind? And how exactly does our political system threaten people with violence to get votes?? There is absolutely no evidence to support that. To me, all these "points" are just excuses because people don't want to spend their energy contributing to our country. In my opinion.
Tristan Sparks- McMahon ruclips.net/video/eHDDQVZ-A98/видео.html because if it’s not to approval of the elite, candidates won’t even have and opportunity. Look what they did to Ron Paul. The government will continually lie to have its own political agenda pushed without any consent of the people or their votes
We all know the system is broken but I personally believe it can be salvaged if more citizens voted. My opinion was changed after taking a political science class. You’re still voting even if you don’t take 10 minutes to fill in your ballet. Change starts by voting in local representatives who fight for their constituents demands. Also, moving away from a two party system won’t happen until citizens get reps in the senate that will change it. Nothing changes without voting, are the alternatives of bloody revolution or complacency better options?
Best comment I've seen on this video so far.
@Electronic HQ Derrick Broze may be doing his part to make a change, but I feel like a lot of non-voters aren't really doing anything.
7:6 the second you find someone who is perfect everyone will vote for them but this is reality. No one is perfect
To the dude who was on the fence about staying in Brazil vs coming back to the US... because the US was going to shit while you were in Brazil.... ok, maybe I’m under a rock but WHAT?!
Brad Willett I had the same reaction. Brazil’s healthcare isn’t good either, it’s worse than America’s. And the government is in cahoots with drug dealers, and let’s not get started on the drastic divide between the huge areas of favellas and the small rich areas (which usually only the biggest drug dealers and politicians live in). America isn’t a perfect place but it’s still a 1st world country, Brazil is literally classified as a 3rd world country
Right? I had to rewind to make sure he was talking about Brazil. It would be more understandable if he said Canada.
Anyone else feel like the filmmaker looks like Luka Modric or
Croatia is cheeks.
A ne baš hahaha
He does kinda
antea he looks like a Greek statue 😁👌
Low-key
Derrick made a very excellent point. Things the government give you are not a right.
Rights are yours. They belong to you regardless or what anyone says or do.
Saying the government gave you the right to vote means they can take it away. YOU the citizen gives them that ability when you THINK like that.
Rights are man-made constructs, like laws. There is no universal set of natural rights that everyone gets. We create rights when we all sit together and decide what rights we are going to all have and respect, but in America that is done through a representative democracy with senators and congressmen.
Mammon so North Koreans have the right to vote and simply not choosing to exercise it
That’s was a non-sensical statement. You may feel you have the right to live but that doesn’t stop some o e from taking your life. Fresh air, clean water, sustenance, bear children, peace, etc...Yet many people in the U.S. and all over the world have snatched from them. Here in the U.S. people who understood its importance. Show up and vote, show up and campaign, show up and support, just show up to make sure we all have those rights... and continue to fight to keep those and others...while others sit on their hands and benefit from others hard work and struggle. You don’t like the candidates then support those you do, or run, or draft a bill, start a position, expose corruption, fundraiser for under recognized candidates you do support, post, tweet...or at the very least show up and support and vote when others take the time to do just that for all of us.
If you don't vote, you make someone else's vote more powerful
I almost completely agree with everything the non-voters said. Derrick made some very valuable points, he had a much more intellectual and philosophical approach to his discussion points. He has a great mindset and values, I felt as if he spoke for me as well haha.
+The Conscious Resistance thank you for the link, I have a greater understanding now. I agree with your perspective and your methods. I'm not an American, I'm an Australian and personally don't see myself being involved with politics in my country either. I will however make sure I have enough knowledge to understand the system of my country. I will be a non-voter in the future I'm 17, I can't vote yet but I will be using some of your strategies for greater movement. It all definitely starts from us as individuals.
“Vote with your actions every day” He says.
Being a good human being and voting for policies/representatives are two entirely separate, yet both necessary things. Why replace one with another either way? No logic
That was hilarious that everyone paused at the election part. I thought something went wrong with the video because I wasn’t looking at first
Loved when the Muslim women made her point about how this system will never see her as an individual. This made me emotional because it's so real. It was a refreshing comment that help remind me of why I have to continue to fight these systems of power.
Most of America: Everyone should vote and have their voices heard! Democracy is a right!
Third Party Voter:
Most of America: Not you. Your wasting your vote. You should vote for who I'm voting for because (insert opposing major party candidate) is evil and you need to stop acting so privileged and vote in a way that actually makes a difference.
Remember everyone. Your opinions don't matter and you shouldn't vote in a way that doesn't conform to one of two far opposing views. You think nuance is a thing? That's cute. Now just pick blue or red and keep consuming your government sanctioned propaganda. Change will happen! Don't worry! Just keep picking one of the two parties and suppress anyone that doesn't!
As a person living in a democracy that is very young when compared to the U.S, all i can say is do not take what you have for granted. VOTE!!!! Mankind does not have a better alternative system that benefits majority of society. The general public in any democracy will always lean towards policies that better themselves and so the more people get involved, the better. The one way corporations and deep pocket people win, is when you chose to sit back and not make attempts to better your own life......much love from Nairobi
I agree with the non-voters. There was no such thing as the electoral college for our vote would maybe matter. The fact that votes can be corrupted it should show that the votes don’t matter if the ones who started it with intention can change/corrupt the votes.
If you chose not to vote, if you don’t utilize the right, then the right to complain should be taken away
Can we just accept that you can choose whether to vote or not, and that is your choice and yours alone. Just leave people to do what they want, whether they vote or not.
okay, don't go on debate sessions to try to argue with people then haha. The whole point of the video is to state your opinion. Who are you communicating to?
Ray03595 where do we draw the line between stating an opinion and arguing? Is it when it becomes an opinion you don’t like, or is there an actual point?
There isn't a line and there doesn't have to be. You don't have to listen to anything you don't like. Why did you even come to a video where you know the sole purpose is two groups of people offering different opinions? If you can't handle the fact people disagree on subject matters you shouldn't have clicked.
Ray03595 you tell me I can’t tell people that I disagree but here you are telling me that commenting on other comments is wrong
i'm not saying you can or can't do anything. just that your original comment is pretty pointless and you're bitching for no reason.
Derrick's opinions and thoughts are amazing
Thank you - Derrick
Derrick was hella fine, and so smart and well spoken. This was one of the best Middle Ground episodes I’ve ever seen, second only to the Prostitutes & Pastors one.
thank you.
beautiful people omg.. it's so refreshing and heart warming when you watch people of opposing opinions and beliefs come together so peacefully and share their thoughts with each other. I respect them all and I respect Jubilee: Middle Ground. I love this series.
7:45 That's odd, if you believe the candidates are always unsatisfactory, then that's just proof that your voice doesn't matter.
GMO vs. Non-GMO would be a good topic
If you had asked me in 2016, I would've never believed that one day I'd go from being firm on how important voting is to becoming a non-voter. Personally, I don't engage with politics or the news whatsoever anymore because I have found the harm it did to my mental health far outweighed the benefits!
When Renata stated that the political system is not supporting her religion said volumes as religion should not be part of the political agenda at all. The government should be separated from religion.
0:47
Guy in background: don’t mind me, just passing through
"I don't think we have a true democracy"
She's completely ignorant to the fact that we DON'T have a true democracy, we have a federal republic.
Uhhhh, this talking point again.
For the kids in the back, a republic is meant to be a form of democracy. And arguing that something is designed to be less equal and free is not a good argument.
LostStudent Your arguing in favor of a complete democracy? You realize that’s an awful idea
@@colinschmitt6571 He's obviously not? Can you read?
As a Swede, the gay guy could go to Sweden and I could take his place in Minnesota.
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Why Minnesota?
@@Alessandro_Berlusc Minnesota has the largest % of people with Scandinavian ancestry in the U.S. and has a lot of it's culture left.
The thing about non-voters is that they can't complain at all. They did nothing to try and change the outcome.
I vote through non participation. It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society!
"I vote every single day" except for when those votes are actually tallied and shape his community, city, county, and country.
You're implying that the only change happens through political power, which is not true. You impact your community on an individual level a whole lot more than your single vote does.
@@Andreas4696 without political power any individual change you make can be wiped out. live green all you want, and Trump will destroy public lands and remove restrictions on manufacturing. personally believe women should have control over their bodies and Trump will nominate a Supreme Court justice to overturn the laws that give woman that control. etc, etc, etc. and if you aren’t voting locally your reps won’t be fighting for the things you believe in, they’ll continue fighting for what the lobbyists and voters unlike you want. if you aren’t voting, you aren’t protecting anything for everyone, you’re just yelling into the void
If you’re living in a democracy, it’s not your right to vote, it’s your duty.
Agree, I actually both support it being easier to vote, but also making it mandatory. As in you get fined if you do not. If enough people dont vote, interests groups take over and they never have your best interests in mind.
Lobos222 agreed
Comics Book Awesomeness no, but you should.
Sorry my friend, but casting a powerless vote is not my duty. It is nothing more than a waste of time, which I have thankfully never engaged in at 28.
The black red-haired girl said it best at the beginning. People for centuries were prevented from voting. Minorities, women, etc. And those groups had to fight and struggle for that right.