The Weakest Pokemon That Got BANNED
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2024
- Most Pokemon get banned because they're too strong. But there are other reasons to get banned, which is what we're gonna be exploring today. We'll be looking at the weakest Pokemon that have gotten banned, which includes some of the worst legendary Pokemon, as well as unevolved Pokemon that get banned due to technicalities and weird rules.
What Pokemon is banned despite not knowing any damaging moves? When was Scyther the exception to an old rule? What could Caterpie have possibly done to get banned in any format ever? Was Caterpie banned in a second format? (no)
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In retrospect, it feels weird that they outright banned Sand _Rush_ in its entirety rather than just Excadrill. I mean, yeah, Sandslash might end up being a diet Excadrill, but it's not going to be overwhelming with the same strategy -- why punish it for what an entirely unrelated Pokemon's done? It's like the Dark Void nerf with Smeargle.
Originally Excadrill was the banned mon, but they figured out the double speed in weather abilities were the issue. Because Kingdra had a similar case to Excadrill, it was complex banned with rain setters but people ran it in sand teams to counter rain teams
@@Eddie_Enfer i love how rain and sand ran the opposite weather's mon and then sun was in the corner with arena trap dugtrio on its way to ruin a game (all weathers besides hail got abilities banned which is funni)
Excadrill was banned for a while, but they unbanned excadrill because the tier was lacking in a good rapid spinner and hazards were becoming a problem, it is back mainly because of that, but even so they knew sand rush would be a problem so they did the bans as shown in the vid.
Also there is a diference between the two things you said, dark void the nerf was game freak's fault and made no sense, the sand rush ban was something the community saw was a problem and great players decided it shoul not be allowed
Because excadrill was such a prominent Mon, OU losing its best spinner would shake up the tier way too much to ban it again after unbanning it
It's not really weird, since the ability itself was the problem, and not the mon.
But yeah, sometimes a decision needs to be made which leads to a lot of polarized opinions. For a recent example, see the discussion around banning houndstone vs banning last respects.
The reason Tail Glow can't be learned by Ampharos actually comes from a quirk made by a previous translation;
In Japanese, i.e. Pokémon's original language, Tail Glow is called "Firefly Light". While the English translators just called it Tail Glow back in gen 3, they didn't forsee that they would be later getting 2 Pokémon without a glowing tail learning Tail Glow.
Pokemon gain access to old moves in later generations all the time. Manaphy and Xurkitree getting the move doesn't fit perfectly with the Japanese name of the move either, so it would be perfectly reasonable for Ampharos to get the move too
@@MEPlaysGames actually Xurkitree getting Tail Glow is a pun on fake firefly lights, like the ones on a Christmas tree.
@@bluebaron6811 and Manaphy is sort of a sea firefly? I guess?
@@robertlupa8273Manaphy is actually based on sea angels, which are sort of thematically similar to fireflies
Phione exists to prove that Manaphy is the only mythical that can clap cheeks.
Seeing as Mew is the ancestor of all non-legendary pokémon, it too, has clapped cheeks.
well actually the main reason mr.mime got soundproof banned from gen 3 OU was the immunity to roar cause it was the most common phasing move tho the perish song immunity is also a massive reason
I meant to bring up Roar as well, not sure how I skipped over it when I was writing the script
@@MEPlaysGamesFor what it's worth, Ingrain also blocked Roar/Whirlwind. If I remember right, however, the Mr. Mime Baton Pass strats didn't draw a ban until after Baton Pass was limited to a single mon, where Ingrain would be less useful.
@@MOORE4U2 you are right bout it blocking whirlwind and roar but thing is ingrain isn't just a free click cause you need the defense boosts 1st for it to be safe also if i remember correctly not all baton pass teams ran ingrain hell i don't think most did mainly cause it wasn't as needed as just slapping sound proof mime on a team (mainly cause whirlwind is way worse distributed than roar) also if you run ingrain you need mime anyways since otherwise you will have 0 perish song counter and just lose to all perish song teams
And then Hypno was used...
Another fun fact regarding Cosmog’s atrocious movepool: although I’m not sure if this strategy was particularly good, in Sun and Moon, when splash was used as a Z-Move, it would give you 3 stages of attack. Since Cosmog learns it, that means it’s possible to have it on Solgaleo and give it a way to instantly +3 its attack (technically Lunala too, but its a special attacker)
Fun fact: For a period of time Diglett was actually used in Gen 5 OU when they just banned Dugtrio.
The part about Zamazenta didn't age that well.
6:00, yeah this line aged like sour milk. Crazy how broken Zamazenta actually is
It's genuinely annoying when I wanna use dugtrio or sandslash in pokemon showdown but its banned.
Arena trap and sand rush are really unhealthy for the meta game, may be sad but we can't unban those things
I dislike smogon rules because it feels too ban happy for me personally
“You can’t have a team that includes a UU, RU, and NU Pokemon”
“You can’t use dugtrio because we banned all forms of evasion buffing, accuracy debuffing, and trapping”
“This new Pokemon has won too many matches since it was added a day or two ago, ban it before players have the opportunity to figure out if the new Pokemon has an effective counter”
@@typemasters2871 you can have a team that includes UU RU And NU mons you have to play at the highest tier where all are legal but you can play, the tiring sistem is there so other pokemon have a chance to shine otherwise only a handful of pokemon would be used and considering how many pokemon there are it is not fun.
Evasion accuracy and OHKO Move are banned because they aren't fun, they remove skill and turn the game into a luck based mess, they invalidate the competitive part of competive pokemon and while they might be fun is a casual environment, but when you have to deal with them and just pray your move land you just become infuriated, us for your opponent who is using those strategies, when you land and their plan fails they will get annoyed, there for it is not fun for both sides.
Bans happen so more pokemon can be used say is they didn't ban fluttermane than every team would need to either have fluttermane or a way to deal with fluttermane, some times multiple. That just restricts what you c actually do t9 counter play.
Now yes there are times the bans don't make any sense like the gen 3 ban on every pre evolution in UU except Scyther, but thise are few and far between. The bans come from people who actually jnow what they are doing and are actually playing the game competitively
@@typemasters2871 also you do realize not all bans are that fast most take weeks, yeah we had some insanely fast ones, but those were almost universally agreed to be too much, plus they are not shy to go back, excadrill is a perfect example they saw they made a mistake and brought it back, restricted yes, but they did
@@ravinercf right, apologies for using exaggeration
I think for Gen 3 OU it’s important to know that the other form of Baton Pass counterplay, phasing moves, was also countered by Soundproof.
Roar was the move of choice for phasing in Gen 3 OU, and the only Whirlwind user in OU was Skarmory, at the expense of its ability to use Drill Peck due to Gen 3 breeding mechanics.
Due to Whirlwind’s low distribution, Roar’s ineffectiveness against Soundproofc and Skarmory’s unfortunate trade with Whirlwind, Soundproof was deemed too restrictive on team building and uncompetitive, and for that reason (along with Perish Song), it was banned.
Ingrain already prevents phasing. So yeah
Zamazenta should've got King's Shield
Not only is this a good video, I also really appreciate the captions
Another point for soundproof was that it acted as a counter to roar as well, a common move used to counteract these teams
banning any pokemon in competitive battles hurts the franchise, but the franchise is so far gone that it doesn't matter anymore
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How come nobody ever told me that Sandshrew has the cutest sprite of all time?
Ever think about how dumb it was that baton pass worked with ingrain? I feel like that should've never been a thing for multiple reasons, lol
Yeah. If anything, the Ingrained status should cause switch moves to fail.
I haven't watched the video yet but chlorophyll was banned somewhere and an really weak mon in comparison to the other threats had no other ability than it, and got banned
I didn't catch that one in my research, oh well. There's a similar case with Sand Rush in the video though
Some of these bans are straight up ridiculous
Odd that you'd mention Moody without mentioning that it's powerful enough to be banned. Sure, unlike Sandshrew, it never caused any Pokémon to actually be banned entirely, but none of them that have it are otherwise that good (except Smeargle). And one of them is Bidoof. That's right, Moody is so strong, that it would make _Bidoof_ too strong for OU.
That’s pretty much why I didn’t talk about how ridiculous Moody was, cuz it didn’t get any Pokemon outright banned. I talked about it in a previous video as well, so I decided there was no need to go in depth about it in this video too
I once tried to make a format in which every pokemon was viable (mostly by giving everyone predetermined mediocre movesets, neutral EVs and no setup aside from weather moves, and by inversely scaling level with BST). When I got to Cosmig and Cosmoem I realized I failed, since they're definitely not viable even with Cosmog being level 99. (Also funny is that some pokemon are not legit, since Solgaleo, Lunala and some mega pseudos evolve at a level higher than what I gave them)
i do not care what other comments are saying i adore the banter and jokes. i love pokemon fact videos but its easy to get lost in long strings of them, and the funny cuts are perfect for keeping my attention
also captions are awesome thank you :)
For the most part the feedback on the dynamic between me and Elias has been positive, so I wouldn’t worry too much about people who aren’t fans of it. Our style isn’t gonna appeal to everybody and that’s ok. But our stupid banter isn’t going anywhere, because it seems to be the secret sauce that’ll make our channel stand out in the long run. I would say there’s a little bit TOO much nonsense in a couple of our videos, and that’s a fair criticism. So we’ll be looking to strike a good balance in upcoming videos.
@@MEPlaysGames thats such a healthy perspective to have tbh, i just have a habit of scrolling too deep into the comments and being astounded by the things people say lol
and yes the dynamic is great. hope you guys go far
The reason why people say caterpie and weelde where banned because they can only learn string shot tackle, and bug bite.
Move Deleter.
I have more respect for the Gen3 community than I do Smogon for how they handled Baton Pass, instead of taking the excessive ban-hammer to the move itself (which is ONLY a problem if you also have stuff that can be passed), they allowed the move to stick around with complex issues. Unlike Shed Tail, Evasion boosting moves, OHKO moves or Last Respects which don't have healthy play to them, Baton Pass on the other hand does.
On a related note the full Baton Pass bans seen from gen4 on pisses me off so much, as mentioned above Baton Pass isn't problematic by itself, plus it had some counterplay to Pursuit, since unlike other switch moves, you bypassed Pursuit's "attack on switch" state, meaning that Celebi was able to get away from a Pursuit Tyranitar. By banning Baton Pass you remove Purusit counterplay (given that Arena Trap is banned as well). This became pointless when GameFreak decided that Pursuit needed to get the axe for some reason (maybe a certain Golden ghost type wouldn't be such an issue in gen 9 if you could Pursuit-Trap it), but for Gens4-7 this is a very real thing.
As someone who had a lot of fun with VoltTurn teams, I treated Baton Pass as another pivot move (VoltTurnPass as I called it), I made one team with a BP pivoter (a Mega Lopunny, the last mon iirc as I was having trouble filling that slot) and it is still my favorite team that I've made.
Yeah I thought about going more in depth about why Baton Pass itself isn't banned, cuz like you mentioned, it does have applications that aren't problematic. But I find myself having to slow my roll before my scripts get too long. If these videos were any longer, I wouldn't be able to get them out every week while also taking care of classes and other responsibilities.
But yeah I don't love how Baton Pass is banned in more recent metagames. I wish Smogon was more willing to do complex bans but oh well
OHKO moves do have healthy strategies to them. Specifically with moves or abilities that cause them to never miss.
I believe Articuno is the only pokémon to legally get access to this strategy in singles with Mind Reader + Sheer Cold, but Entrain + No Guard is also a niche possibility I felt should not be banned in doubles.
I did not know Glalie was THAT weak in terms of stats lol.
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Nice Karma Chameleon parody
1:47 I was reading about Shrek today. I guess that's fitting.
Little kids must really love these videos. The banter, the interruptions, the back and forth. Fun
We have a lot of fun making the videos, so I figured I should leave a lot of the nonsense in when I edit them. I'm sure the videos would still be fine if we just left in the parts where we stick to the script, but I think our current style helps us stand out. We started the channel together back in 2020 and we're happy we found a way to do videos together regularly.
Not gonna lie though, when I got a notification and just saw "little kids must really love these," I thought this comment was gonna go in a completely different direction. Thought it was gonna end with something like "this is like, the seventh worst thing I've ever seen"
Fun fact:
Chatot is the only pokemon in the games who could canonically say the N-word
For the longest time, nfe pokemon of gen 3 ou ranked pokemon were banned in gen 3 uu. This was changed not too terribly long ago, but certainly a lot of otherwise ok or straight terrible mon were banned in the gen 3 uu format.
Oh, literally just reache the part in the video where you talk about this. Seems I'm a bit too hasty!
Soundproof wasn't banned from perish song it was banned from roar people actually use roar in gen 3 ou to get spikes damage and undo buffs.
Great pokemon on this list with a great summary
Good video
Would it be a hot take to say that I find Phione cuter than Manaphy? Just me?
Did you just reference the Dilbert TV show?
By Todd he means Todd Howard
Pokemon competitive play just sounds ridiculous. Some much over compensation.
Hell, I fully blame competitive play for nerfing dragon type.
In all forms of media dragons are always overpowered hype creatures. Few weakness and are supposed to be a giant hill to get over.
But for balancing fairy exist and completely fuck that up.
Imagine playing a game where you have to use 3 slots just to deal with one pokemon type, that is the gen 4 and gen 5 dragon type, it limited your team options just because eyou had to have a way to deal with it, the fairy type was needed,plus the buff for poise was really good for the game
@@ravinercfDid he stutter?
@@ravinercf I have never had that issue while playing pokemon. Either by myself or with friends.
Again if you're talking competitively then I think you completely missed what I was saying.
Dragon and ice moves aren't uncommon moves that pokemon can learn. Most dragons have a second type that gives more options too.
@@Wolf950Actually viable Ice and Dragon moves are very uncommon on non Ice/Dragon type pokemon. Also like you know competitive and casual are two completely different games right?
Pokemon is balanced by every Pokemon having weaknesses. Dragon was only weak to Ice and... itself. Ice types are pretty bad in general because they are too frail, so that means no STAB.
While competitive might have "ruined" your Dragon types, maybe you need to just find a way to deal with Fairy types.
Wyanut and Wobbufett
Why ban Wobbuffet?
Wynaut ban him?
words are hard!
Evasian stuff should not be banned nowadays. Theres so many things that can counter evasion.
17:02 weird to have a pink background instead of a flying-type-themed one.
17:06 Chatter is in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, it just has no Pokemon capable of learning it. (I assume it was intended to be given to Squawkabilly. Maybe it'll be a Chatot-Squawkabilly egg move?)
18:20 what? what is this nonsense you speak of? Chatot has the strongest ability-less Boomburst (and no-one in their right mind would tolerate Toxtricity...) and Chatter's 100% confusion is insane and, as a standalone move, actually gets banned in certain formats! Fools.
Currently the worst box art legendary has to be Suicune
Its mr mime
Feels weird to early
Oml just get to it
I wish this didn’t sound mean because I like the subjects this channel picks to talk about but the super nerdy sounding guy is just really difficult to listen to and puts me off watching.
You can just tell the lack of care and effort that went into this video in favor of just shoving it out the door and moving onto the next one.
imagine saying this when the video has captions, something that takes actual time and effort to do
@@jawbreakrr Typing out what is said doesn't make a video doesn't suddenly make it not have a lack of care and effort. It's not hard to do.
Disrupting the video for your unfunny jokes is extremely annoying. Stop pretending that you're a comedian when you're not.
Why ban evasion abilities just have No gaurd or no miss moves, people who complain are just skill issue
Just because there are ways to beat something doesn't mean allowing it makes for a healthy competitive metagame
Smogon still bans everything they refuse to adapt to.
Bro thinks Ursaluna Bloodmoon is fair because you could waste a Pokémon slot on Tera Ghost Orthworm specifically for it 💀
@@caldw615Tera ghost doesnt even work because it basically has scrappy.
Your only real answer was CM Blissey defensively.
Honestly there are Pokémon like gmax toxtricity who I understand would be in UBERS because you essentially get a free para or toxic. While there is Pokémon like Chatot with chatter(after the removal of the mic) who essentially will never see the light of day again because of those incidents
yuuuup "this is different, I don't like it. BAN IT"
@@RancorSnp it’s even weirder since CATERPIE AND WEEDLE ARE LITERALLY BANNED I MEAN THEY ONLY GET THREE(not counting when they learn harden when they evolve) MOVES IN TOTAL