Copart 2001 Ford F150 4x4 Suspension Rebuild Pt 2
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Pitman arm is not located properly. Pull pitman arm, straighten steering wheel, reinstall pitman. With steering wheel straight, straighten front wheels as best you can with tie rod adjustment. Should be good enough to drive to firestone
Yes you said right.
Yep
Has to be.
Agreed
When you say L&G I just imagine you in a top hat and red long tail coat with the baton as an mc at a 3 ring circus. "L&G, in this ring we have the red F150 and in this ring we have the Harly Davidson !" LOLOL keep up the good work. What cam r u using?
I was a ford tech for 10 years. Remove pitman. Turn steering full lock right. Count the turns to full left. Split the difference and you are at center. So if it’s 5 turns from left to right then turn the wheel 2.5 turns and reinstall the pitman. If the steering wheel is not centered you can reset that with disconnecting the intermediate shaft and re centering from inside. Then adjust the tie rods. Awesome you already have the a arm eccentrics for more adjustment.
One of best instuctional videos I have seen from you. You went step-by-step and showed us what we needed to see for a major suspension replacement. A great day's work! I think it will drive much better than it did. Once the allignment is done, it should be picture perfect. Thank you for your effort in bringing us great content.
Don't listen to the gripers - there are some people you can never make happy no matter what you do. I thoroughly enjoy your videos - keep up the good work!
Glad to see, you got that hitch off the back. That thing is a shin hurting piece of metal like you wouldn't believe.
This, I am always kicking the damn things with my shin
I am guessing this will be too late Randy but as an ex Scania Master Tech. I would never assume anything if I were you as you don't know the car's history. Back to (longwinded) Basics:
* Disconnect the Tie Rods from the hubs and the new 'Drop Arm' (you call it a Pitman Arm) you fitted to the Steering Box. 'Centre' the steering box by spinning the steering wheel left to right and fully back and rewinding half way. In power steering this is important as you get 'pull' if the car is dead a head and the Steering Box is not.
* Restore the Tie Rods to equal length each side.
* Refit the Drop Arm ensuring it is also 'Dead Ahead (check it and the Idler Arm on the other side with the chassis they should all be parallel)
* If the steering wheel is still not 'dead ahead' while being very careful about the steering wheel air bag (let it all electrically discharge for at least an hour) remove the steering wheel and remount it in the dead ahead position
* Pop the LH side Tie Rod back into place without its nut while making sure you don't alter the steering box position. Check how it looks
* Pop the RH side in the same way. Check how it looks.
* Check if the steering wheel has moved
* Any major difference between each side will indicate an issue with the suspension or chassis. It doesn't matter at this point if it toe's out or in as long as each side is the same.
Sorry but i did try to shorten it...... Good luck and thanks for sharing your efforts.
The steering wheel is probably keyed.
@@CR-ny7ep I cannot speak for F150s or indeed any US built cars so I take your point but every vehicle from cars to 44 Te trucks I have worked on in 50 years has had a splined steering wheel.
*Randy, I really think that you have proved that you're successful in the local flipping car business.* So why aren't you moving to a location with space for at least one truck inside? Where you can work on it no matter how cold or how hard it rains. I think that if you got a new decent workplace, with a property where you can park some cars. That you can work way more efficient. With heat, electricity and maybe a lift? I don't know what the costs of renting some place like this are in Oklahoma but just look for it. It's worth it man!
He still complains if he loses 1000 on a car! even though he makes 10x that on videos, so I dont see a shop anytime soon.
Keep saying ladies and gentlemen. Not everyone gets what they want. They can stop getting triggered.
Straighten the steering wheel prior to putting the pitman arm on, but you just saved yourself a ton of money!
Ladies and Gentlemen sounds fine to me 👍 People need to just get off the PC wagon. Can you imagine if All in the the Family and the Jeffersons were on today??? lol Just say what you want 👏👏👏
Buy an adjustable camera tripod. Then you can use both hands.
That's right we're tired of seeing you struggling with one hand
Randy, I think you did one heck of a job all things considered... You're right, firestone can deal with the fine tune .. And I had zero issues with the ladies and gentlemen , don't let people drive you always from your trade marks. That's what sets you apart from others..
Randy great job rebuilding the front end on your truck, next your probably need tires keep the Harley sell that red devil. It's a good runner but Ford 4x4 front ends are no joke.. Again great video great job.....
Pitman arm is installed in wrong position, as someone else said you need to pull it off and straight the steering wheel and then realign. Personally I would pull the steering gear box and bolt it down to secure it to something so I could use a torque wrench and properly torque the pitman arm down. I know they take around 200ft lbs, and I believe the pitman arms can be adjusted in 45° increments
Congratulation! You archieved a lot for one day! Sometimes I do not agree with things you do or say: But man:There is no one like you. You keep on releasing new content nearly every day! Other guys tend to get lazy after they start being successful with their channels.
Man brotha you make me want to start a RUclips channel about fixing up wrecked cars. Keep the videos coming your doin a bang up job
Nice job.
Well done, without a hoist.
You are a true “Garage Mechanic “
Yes, it’s always a good feeling when you can get a job done yourself. The sense of accomplishment is very empowering!
Good work Randy! Well done.
All in all it sounds rewarding. I'm watching these videos with the hopes that i can do the same thing. Keep going Buddy.
Randy, Its not easy doing that work in bad weather and being sick on top of it make it all that more miserable, Ive been there, done it, got the stitches!!! i can relate and totally understand how you feel!, and you are doing great on it despite all the roadblocks you are being challenged with... i hope you are feeling better!!!!!! If you look at the sector shaft spline on the steering gear there are only 4 possible ways to position the pitman arm. to make it simple there are 4 notches on the spline that will not allow the arm to be put on other than a 12, 3, 6, or 9 o clock positions in relation to the sector shaft. Factor in the sector shaft nut holding the pitman arm on being loose and the relative ease of being able to remove the pitman arm from the sector shaft, someone did pull it to try and re-position it. If it was re-positioned 90 degrees out the steering would be severely limited on one side due to the steering gear reaching to its end of travel before it would turn the wheel all the way to lock so that idea was abandoned and the nut was not tightened all the way. What i suspect is going on is the frame is bent from the accident changing the position of the A-arms causing the camber and toe geometry to be off of correct alignment. Im placing my bet on a bent frame!!!! but lets see what Firestone says??!!!
Randy, you sure make the repairs look easy. doing a great job. i think you have a serious problem with the steering gear box. nice truck. anxious to see the finished product. enjoy watching you.
I did find damage to the box. The splines are bent in on one side, and the frame to box bolts are bent as well. I'm waiting to hear back from RedHead on possibly sending me a new box.
You really did a great job. Difficult job but handle well.
I love your blog I love the way you try and do things right you change that I won't watch you no more good luck brother on your new adventure
Disconnect pitman from steering box..... turn steering wheel from left stop all the way to right stop.. count how many turns and divide by two. The steering wheel should be positioned exactly as it came from the factory... reposition the wheels so they are both pointing straight ahead and parallel with each other (this means making adjustments with the adjustment tubes)... reconnect pitman to the steering box.
Randy really like watching your videos and my attention span is longer than 10 minutes so please continue making your videos the way you are. If you like, you could do some "time lapse" sections of your videos like Samcrac does using a tripod, those are great, enjoy watching all the work being done.
Part one of this video had several comments about getting a shop, I enjoy the fact that you do your work in the driveway or garage, as I do. I would understand if you did get a better place to work, but you may start to lose viewers if you went too far. I subscribe to and watch you, Samcrac, Chris Fix, Tavarish, Legit Street Cars (he does have a hoist in his garage) and a few others as my "core" auto repair videos. I used to like watching Tavarish a lot, but have recently started to lose interest in his videos, simply because he has started to work on too high end of cars that I cannot relate to (as in financially, I cannot afford a Lambo or Ferrari, no disrespect intended). Samcrac does high end cars but also does affordable cars including his 4K Porsche and Legit will often show several ways to do a repair using basic tools to specialty tools on his "cheaper" Mercs.
Please keep saying "Ladies and Gentlemen", many years ago I learned to say "Mam and Sir" while attending University in Texas and eventually working several years in the southern US (I am Canadian). Its nice to see respectful youtubers as opposed to some of the young guys on you tube that have none stop cussing (my 9 year old can be within ear shot and I don't have to worry. And yes I want my daughter to grow up respectful without any extra cussing influence).
Sorry about the length of this, usually never comment on-line, maybe my 5th time making a comment, now you see why!! Thanks
CENTER the steering wheel FIRST, then adjust the tie rods to zero toe on the tires.
Spin the wheel all the way left, put some masking tape at 12 o'clock on the steering wheel, spin it all the way right, counting the turns. Then spin it back half that amount. If the wheel is splined, it may not still be straight, as someone may have just pulled it off in the past and "straightened" it. If so, pull the wheel and put it on straight. Do the full spin left, spin right while counting, spin back half again to make sure it is now straight up.
You want the wheel straight up when it is truly halfway between full left and full right, so that, as you noted, the turn signals are happy.
Once the wheel is truly straight, futz with the tie rods to get the wheels straight-ish. It doesn't have to be perfect since you're taking it to a shop, but if you put a straightedge on each wheel, you can get it damned close. Better toed in a touch than toed out, so it isn't so squirrely on the way to the alignment shop.
I had an alignment shop that "straightened my wheel AFTER they aligned the car, by just pulling the wheel and putting it on "straight". I should have made them fire that lazy tech. Damned thing was a full half turn off left to right.
If you replace the steering box, you'll have to repeat the whole thing, but it doesn't take that long.
You need to find an independent shop for alignments. Firestone and all the other franchised places charge too much.
you did well with what you have to work with brother no worries it'll all come out
Great job!!! A+
Thanks for the video, I appreciate that you haven't been well - look after yourself !
Turn your steering wheel from lock to lock, that's all the way from one direction to the other, keeping track of how many times it turns.
Then turn it enough times to be half way back. Remove the keys to lock it into position.
If the wheel is only a little bit off, turn it to be as straight as you can, and lock it again.
Determine which front wheel is the straightest.
Using the adjustment in the tie rod and set it as straight as you can.
Then, using a builder's square, find a common spot on the tread, make a corresponding mark on the driveway in front, and behind the tire.
Measure equally and mark the driveway by the other front tire.
Using the square, see if the marks come close to hitting matching marks on the front and rear of the second tire.
Adjust the tie rod to come as close as you can.
This will make your tires fairly parallel, and relatively straight with the steering wheel! It should be good enough to drive to the alignment shop.
You should hit a junk yard for a new steering box. You will feel a lot better.
A bad steering box will generally let you know if it is going bad with vibration, noise and feel.
You should check the torque specs on those front wheel bearings. It did not look like you were near high enough.
I have changed a lot of them when I used to build race cars to run SCCA motorsports, and work on a lot of front wheel drive.
Nothing kills the bearings quicker than the wrong torque! May not on a big truck, but when you had it apart, it would have only added about an hour to the job!
You are doing good work by showing non experienced folks what is involved in this type of work.
Being from North East Ohio, if something is more than a few years old, there isn't much left to fix. Just rust!
Rick
This is a really good set of videos.
Watching you deal with the tie rods reminds me of when I was driving my '60 Pontiac daily and the tie rod ends in it went. I was lazy and just took the whole tie rod off the parts car and swapped it out. The alignment was fine.
A lot of guys are saying the steering wheel could be on wrong but I doubt it. I haven't messed with a Ford but every GM I pull they've keyed it so it only fits in one position. Or, the lock plate under is keyed and the horn contact will only fit in the correct position. I did so many of the 80s type GM columns, changing the lock cylinder, I used to be able to do one in about half an hour if it didn't fight me too much. It's easier to change the whole column than to tear one apart to fix a loose tilt wheel.
Awesome video. Keep going.
Great upload thanks
I liked the long detailed video yesterday.
So why is it a problem with him saying ladies and gentlemen???
@@vadim7590okay... What about dudes and dudettes? Lol
i like the longer videos, keep it up
With all that dripping background sound, Made me go take a pee all the time 😂
Great video!
Keep up the good work 👍
Randy I agree with the thread. The pitman arm is off. This is how you set the front end up for adjustment. Some pitman arms have indexing marks kind of like a punch mark to help you line them up. If not then take to pitman arm back loose and straighten the steering wheel first. (This is where having a 2nd person helps) While you keep the steering wheel straight then try to install the arm straight. A tooth off wont matter a great deal but do try to get it straight. With that done, you can adjust the wheels straight. As for the Camber - with the wheels straight using a tape measure and measure to both sides of the spindle to the frame. Again this isn't perfect but it will get you close.
Great job. Hope to more work soon.
Need to tighten the upper control arms while at the riding height. IF you tighten them while suspension is unloaded, you'll wear out the bushings.
Correct. I used my jack to lift the truck off the stands before tightening them down.
Good work on the F150 Randy
Great Video.. You did good I'm sure they can align it..
Check the steering shaft you may be able to pop that off and get the wheel straight
Bro, tripod! Great content! Can't wait to see that beast back on the road
I live in PA. We have that crazy weather also
Loved it ❤️🚘👍💖
You did Good Job here, probably just some minor adjustments is all I bet, Liked
It can possibly be the steering gear box I know mine broke if it’s not the gearbox then something in the steering shafts either lower or upper shaft.
Harbor Freight should sponsor you, I just went and bought one of those impact guns in part because of seeing you use it in this video. Got a deal on an open box one too.
Undo the connection with the pitman arm and straighten out the steering wheel
Make sure you caution any one working around air bags to disconnect the battery and turn the lights on to kill any redisual charge. And give it a few minutes for the controllers to depleat.
There are different manufacturers, and I am not sure which ones need what procedure!
You do not want one of those going off in your face when you pull the steering wheel to reposition it!
To check to see if the wheels are straight, you can put a long board against the front and back tires to get a visual cue. If you don't have one, use some string, an extention cord, air hose. Anything straight, and long enough.
Rick
Morning!
I keep my hitch on all the time to prevent idiots from tailgating me when on the road.
You should have straightened the steering wheel before locating the pitman arm; since it's already on, you'll have to pull the steering wheel. Wait until after it's aligned for best result.
Disconnect the Pitman Arm, from the steering gear box, turn the wheels straight then turn the steering wheel straight. Reconnect the pitman arm. Or get the front aligned, when done remove the steering wheel and put back on straight.
Steering and suspension work are always a tough job, but, with the right tools the job goes much smoother. One question, did you have the steering wheel straight when you installed the pitman arm? Also, the tie rod and adjuster sleeves will need to be adjusted to compensate for the new ball joints and control arms. I'm glad you did the work yourself,instead of just taking it to the alignment shop. I was surprised that you didn't torque the axle shaft to wheel bearing nuts? But , I did enjoy the video. Cold weather and suspension work outside tappes anybody's energy level,. Great work, and , I'll keep watching! Thanks for sharing this video.
ext time....make sure you cleaned up the surface of the disc inside and the hub to prevent rust between them….it makes wobble brake possible…..tip from a Dutch mechanic…..like youre blogs...
Same storm hit us in Minnesota. 2 inches of rain, followed by an inch of snow, then some rain during the day plus 5 degrees at night made everything turn into an ice rink! Now today it's supposed to be 49 degrees
Sure seems like a lifetime ago after these balmy temps we've been having the last couple days! Shit, when all of that happened the Vikings still had a chance at the playoffs!!
@@CertifiedShadetree haha, you're not wrong! We never had a shot against the Bears though. I knew it in my head, but in my heart I wanted the Vikings to win
@@KylePetersonDmaster223 Plus we'd need to beat the Bears two weeks in a row to advance. Nofa Kinway that was happening!! Even if by some miracle they did, there was 0 chance they'd beat either the Rams or Saints after that!! Guess we can take solace in the fact that we get to see Philly take that shit kicking instead!!
@@CertifiedShadetree exactly
In Canada we have "crows foot" sockets you could use to torque the pit-man arm. They look like open wrench heads, but have a 1/2 inch socket mount punched into them. The offset allows the torque wrench to be used on the close tolerance between the arm nut and front end parts/frame.
In the united state we invented the crows foot socket. lol
@@kimlenahan2633 Not a problem; we Canadians are always willing to educate,and learn from, our Southern neighbors. As long as Randy gets the information, all's well.
Did you center the steering box before installing the pitman arm?
Looks good send it to get an alignment shouldn't be a issue good job... As far as the gear box have it looked at if your not sure..
Take the pitman arm off, straighten the steering wheel. Put the pitman arm back on. You must have turned the steering wheel when the pitman arm was off
I agree with Tim
Pull the pitman arm and position steering wheel and reinstall pitman arm
straighten out the steering wheel and than eye ball it using both the L/R tie rod sleeves. The alignment guy will do a 5 (yes-5) wheel alignment using the rear wheels as base line.. than straighten out steering wheel 'n locking it with the "seat-bar tool" to hold it in position and than set camber/caster - toe in/out.
Hence a "five" wheel alignment. BTW the pitman arm to steering shaft has a master spline.. ya can only install it one way
If you ever need to take off a hitch lock again, drill out the key opening, I've taken a few off like that by just drilling it out.
Pitman arm needs to be set up with the steering wheel. Well??? THANKS AGAIN for your videos
Love the vids man...the sad thing is my dad just put $400 if brakes on his truck for it to be totaled 4 months later
Hi doing a good job and you sould get some overalls and govles so you can keep your self clean and good luck
Sure hope you torqued the axle nuts down and not used the impact. Should be 225lbs. Been 2 years ago. If not I'm sure the wheels and hubs have fallen off by now. And agree Pitman arm isn't properly positioned on spline out of gear box. But you know that also by now. Good effort though. I'm about ready to do ball joints, pitman, idler and hub/bearings on same truck. Mine is about to turnover 300K miles. This will be second set of ball joints. Thanks for the videos. About to watch part 3.
Your flogging a dead horse trying to align it while the tyres ain’t on the ground when you lower the car back to the floor the tie rods will straighten out and push the wheels further apart apart that’s why alignment is done with the tyres on the ground on the rotating pads good good on the parts install though keep at it
I’m wondering if something else is bent. Like the control arm mounts. Not that I think this would throw the steering wheel out of wack. If my memory serves me the steering wheel was upside down when you got it right? If I were doing this I’d unhook the steering shaft or pull the steering wheel not sure if it’s keyed to certain degrees or not like can you put it on plus minus 90 degrees? Once the rack is at the middle position I think both tie rods should be set at the equal length then adjust from there.
Great Job Randy - doing all that work out in the cold. I hope you make enough money from flipping cars and youtube to get a place with a nice 2 car or larger garage with a lift.
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The wather is the same here in Czech republic :) .... 15 inches in one day and now its melting :)
Get it aligned, see how it does lock to lock and if good pull the steering wheel or it could be the rag joint on the steering shaft if it has one that was installed wrong.
Need to be sure the steering wheel is tighter down when the wheels are straight. Then when resetting the pitman arm it is easier. But note there still can be challenges, so let Firestone complete the Alignment.
That pitman arm is off
@@rogerw9840 Yes is't off alingment
Doubt it, they have a master spline and can only go on one way.
Mat A not all do
Carson Kosier Fair enough, did it a few times and they where all Chevys. They all had that master spline.
@@matthebest018 fords have four large splines at 90 degrees allowing four positions.
Itll be fine
Had the pitman arm replaced on my tahoe with one from oriellys. that took care of most of the large amount of play in the wheel. however, my steering wheel is cockeyed to about the 2 o'clock position. i suspected whichever shop guy did the pitman didnt center the steering wheel before securing the pitman, so i asked the mechanic about it, and he told me the cheap china BS Part did not line up right. there is apparently only one way it fits on with grooves or notches, and thats how my part fit. i should mention, tahoe drives straight as an arrow, just has a cockeyed steering wheel.
A Ford gear box is pretty stable. Only real thing to service it is a seal kit for about $7.00.
Your sure the lower control arms are ok ? Its a tie rod-pitman arm issue. I would have maked the new and old pitman arm and box shaft but that only works if it's in the right spot to begin with. Good work really
you sound like you need a beer @ auto aunction
I belive you needed to set your sterring wheel stright before you put your pitman arm on!!!!
@@brettwhitla4425 Thank you Britt I did not know that they were set up that way I have always thought that you could rotate them to the proper orintation of the splines. Thank for telling me, much appreciated.
did you check for frame damage. look at frame about 4 to 6 inches behind the upper control arm for kinks or wrinkles on the frame.
Randy , if the pitman has not got a master spline , just realign it .....simple.
I told you id help you Randy. Just let me know. The mechanical stuff is super easy.
+Bob Slydell shoot me an email plz ubermanyourube@cox.net
Please get a tripod. Love the content.
The steering shaft may have gotten spun in whatever caused the issue in the first place i.e when it hit the shaft turned the wheel from the hump at top to the hump at bottom if that makes sense the shaft spun
Hi Randi.
At one of my past car the former user hat put on the steering wheel in the wrong angle.
Regards from Germany
Roman
Randy, put together all those metals and you can get some money in if you recycle it
if your talking about front bearings as in wheel bearings have fun trying to find them cause they only come in new hub assm
That's exactly what I'm talking about. You replace the entire assembly.
Was the steering wheel straight when you started putting the suspension back together? I think they loan a tool that will help keep the steering wheel straight while you work on it. At work we have something a little fancier but its all the same thing.
Probably already been offered, but even though you used the old components to set up the new, the old were likely bent. Adjustment sleeves aren't nearly as strong as the tie rods, they bend in collisions.
Randy, why not buy a tripod with a swivel head for the camera? Funny you did not have fun, I did watching it. Stuff I couldn't even think of starting.
It's really a two man job if your trying to align the steering wheel yourself. It looks good though.
Are you going to keep the red truck? It's coming together nicely