@Radek OM , I'm 5'10 and when I saw Ronnie in 98 he were about the same height. Each time that Ronnie and Jay hugged.. there was BARELY a difference. An inch at most. While Haney was seated when I saw him, I just can't believe he is 6'. He was even with dorian when they shook hands after Haney won.
@@r4nd7r04d5 There are bodybuilding standars...you cant just say bodybuilding is subjective...if you put a classic physique huy against an open division guy the open division guy always wins by bodybuilding standars even thought the classic physique guy might be more aesthetic.....so by bodybuilding standars i believe real lat spread goes to dorian.
Dorian has the best back of all time he’s completely unbeatable that includes versus Ronnie Coleman Ronnie Coleman was oh and nine versus dorian in their career in bodybuilding tournaments and I don’t want to hear this Ronnie was natural Jay Cutler also he never went head to head versus dorian but he could’ve never beat Dorian Dorian was a freight train that was just unbeatable
@@pepecomenepe3233 lol no, 0 width whatsoever. Poor front lat spread which was his worst pose, not an impressive V taper in literally any pose from the front and even his back lat spread was meh in terms of width. 0 christmas tree in sight, and his strong points are matched if not beaten by Yates. Yates is not only bigger but also way wider WHILE matching Phil's details and destroying him in dryness and density. Show me a single show where Phil's back looked anywhere close to what Yates presented at the 1996 GGP for example. Go on.
@@fatboy5926 sure let's break it down. Yates: way wider than both Jay and especially Phil Yates: one of the greatest christmas trees and lower backs in general in history while neither Jay nor Phil ever had proper Christmas trees. Traps: do I even have to say it? So where's the better back from either of them? Yates destroys Jay in every department, Phil only wins on "3D fullness" yet his detailing pales next to Yates while being way narrower and also overall smaller. Have you ever seen Phil in the front lat spread, his worst pose? Nonexistent lats.
Jay always looked soft . Especially in the lower back and obliques . Dorian was ripped to the bone. Jay had a wide blocky waist and never looked comfortable in some of the mandatory poses . Dorian’s presentation was always spot on. Everyone knows about his back and how impressive it was but his calves were beyond belief along with his forearms. I just don’t see how jay at his best could ever beat Dorian at his best.
Jay wins front and side shots and dorian wins the 2 back shots. Overall Jay wins more poses. Dorian is more conditioned and Jay has more muscle mass. In terms of structure jay is wider. In terms of individual muscle groups they are even on calves, dorian has better back and Jay has better everything else. So to sum it up jay is a bit better
@@orbarak123 Jay wins the front lat spread and abs and thighs? wins side tricep? are you out of your mind? out of those 3, side tricep is the closest and MAYBE, just maybe he could take it. Even then it's 4-4 in the mandatories if we assume Cutler wins everything else. And no, Jay didn't have more mass nor was he wider than Yates. In the clavicles, yes, back (lats) development? no. They aren't even on calves either, Cutler had great calves, Yates had better. 2:28 - 3:00 - 3:57 easy to spot easy to judge it. "dorian has better back and Jay has better everything else. " 1. Not true 2. It's not a body part competition. abs and thighs = Yates lat spread = Yates by a country mile and a half back double = Yates back lat spread = Yates. that's 4 out of 8 mandatory poses right there and we didn't even get to the side tricep. You're either off your meds or clearly new to bb.
Jay had a huuuuuge waist but he was so damn wide it didnt even matter. I remembering hearing him talk in an interview and he said when he first started bodybuilding he knew his waist was too big so he concentrated so much on his back and shoulders so compensate
WOW,what a surprise but cutler DEFINITELY has the wider LAT SPREAD,thought for sure yates would have him there,cus to me that is about the only place yates would have him,THE BACK!!but at least in these pics,jays back with the exception of the lower lats,actually looks just as good but WIDER!!did not expect that,idk HTF anyone at least based on these pics can take YATES over CUTLER,imo CUTLER's better and bigger,again based on these photos!!
Jay had amaxing legs and arms were good but his lats were so short and his abbs very odd looking to me. They almost appeared to be melting at times. Both great but Dorian was better to me overall.
How can this man be so popular. He should had some sorta special Olympics. His body structure is so bad. He looks disgusting. Like how much hate Phil gets from his gut, but even pregnant Phil is way more pleasing than this Lego block.
Dorian's grainy musculature is a standard on its own. I love Jay09 and in terms of look I think it's the best of all time but overall Dorian's consistent quality over the years should shift the edge to Dorian.
A.F.S. I agree. I’m a fan of both, but Dorian smokes him. His ‘93 size and condition is almost unbeatable. Have to remember he’s taller than Jay also. Not the uploader’s fault, but these photos aren’t proportioned properly.
I thoroughly enjoy your insight... You are highly educated and WELL versed... Your logic is impeccable, and you always view things from all angles... Great Job!!!
Jay's abs look weird but it's way more cut and defined. His thighs are also way better than Dorian's it's not even close. Y'all seriously don't know how to judge bodybuilding huh. Glad none of y'all are judges lmao.
Until seeing them side by side I never thought Jay could compete with Dorian but he definitely can. I would give the rear lat spread to Dorian but agree with you on everything else.At their best Jay might have actually beaten Dorian.
Dorian smokes Jay... firstly consider the difference in technology, lighting etc... Dorian has a smaller waist, better conditioning, better back, better calf’s, better forearms and better midsection... at his time Dorian was miles ahead in terms of size and conditioning
Disagree that Dorian had more shredded Glutes, Jay’s were more shredded. Different time tough to compare these two. Jays shoulders were way bigger and rounder and had way deeper definition and striations as well.
If they are a different height, you have to show that. Cutler is a little over 5'8" and Yates is a little over 5'10." Putting them at the same height gives a false impression.
Phil heath 2010/2011. Kevin, flex and shawn also had some insane physiques. Looking at the physiques alone and not taking the year and era into consideration, all the names I listed would destroy Arnold and Haney. They’d all probably beat Dexter, too, imo
09 jay, 99 ronnie and 11 phil are the most complete shapes ever seen on stage. 93 dorian is amazing but those arms are really lacking. I wish he brought his 93 photoshoot body to the stage, that was absolutely monstrous
Close to the camera full HD? Dude, there is 16 years difference between the 2 pics, of course Jay's pics would be of higher quality. Why are you nagging about the evident?!
@@musclemutant361 your abs and thighs comparison was ridiculous, jay definitely kills him in the thighs but abs and thighs more so than any other is about flow and aesthetics, jay looked like a mess, his abs didn't actually have more details at all he just genetically has an 8 pack, his chest looked scrunched, and his waist looked atrocious, he didn't even have even a slight v taper his waist nearly matched his lats dorian kills him in proportions and aesthetics
Dorian wins the side tricep, abs and t., Back double bicep, back lat spread, front lat spread Jay wins the other 3 mandatories. Jay is bigger but Dorian is better conditioned so I think if you judge by the mandotories dorian win
@@Bigbossialb look at his chest when it's relaxed its wide and flat and go ahead look at his side chest pose and look at other bodybuilders even Dexter Jackson and you'll see that their chest is Fuller then Jay Cutler yes Jay Cutler has a flat chest go look at a Phil Heath side chest pose a Dexter Jackson a Ramey a Rollie a Rodan Cedric and you'll see what I'm talking about yes he has a flat chest go look at those guy side chest pose see how full they are and then look at Jay Cutler's he has a flat chest
It's a tie but the abs and thighs could go to Dorian during Jays worst years but then again Dorians abs were not good in 94 and 97. If there was a calf pose Dorian will win the competition.
Now it’s very hardly comparate Dorian and Jay,they are a naturally species evolution. Dorian was the game changer and Jay is a mass monster without bubble guts. Jay was more big on all’s muscles except the uncanny Dorian back.... Yates showed a very hardly and rocky muscles,maybe nobody today is dense like his. Who’s is the best? Jay and Dorian are a special guys,two different body,two great athletes.
En la mayoria de las fotos que presentas cortas em area de gemelos y creo que esa parte del cuerpo es muy importante por lo menos para hacer un comparativo y para hacer una calificacion.
That is the one thing that ALWAYS got me about Dorian Yates,his ARMS were BAD!!I Cant think of a recent Mr O with arms this small!?I know arms are far from the most important thing in terms of OVERALL JUDGING,but to me they just never stacked up against ALMOST any of the past winners!!FRANCO'S arms were not great but he had a much smaller frame than Yates,thats what makes it kinda bad,Dorian is generally credited for bringing in the MASS era,and he just never had impressive arms!!maybe a guy like CHRIS DICKERSON had small arms but again a much smaller frame!!FRANK ZANE again same thing,except Zanes arms were decent for his size,one of the smallest to ever win the title!!idk IMO they really should have had a little more to say about those yrs when YATES was the reigning champ,there was ALWAYS an awful lot of talk about YATES being WEIDERS boy and yes I'm well aware of the ARNOLD and WEIDER yrs as well!!but with ARNOLD at least most of his titles were not really disputable,cuz he was THE BEST!!u can bring up the abs and legs with arnold,but it was the late 60's and early 70's when he did his DAMAGE, physiques were different then,but in the case of Yates he was literally ushering in a new era in MASS,so to have anything on the small side??to take the weider thing a little further Dorian even won when he had a bicep tear and his arms looked even WORSE!!to me personally CUTLER smokes YATES!!not in all poses of course,the SHADOWS BACK IS INSANE!!and honestly that right there is the MAIN reason he took 6 sandows!!but cutler is no slouch with the back either,but total pkg goes to CUTLER, for whatever reason Yates is basically untouchable,but imo him even more then arnold was a WEIDER GOLDEN BOY!!
jay is a dorian Yates 2.0 ...dorian 1,77 for 118 kg jay 1,75 x 125 kgdorian was the 1st mass monster but his legs was not so developped like top bb of the 2000s 2010s
I like Jay, but Dorian was a cut above him. Plus i cant take any person seriously when they say Jay Cutler beats Dorian Yates at the rear lat spread.
incorrect comparison Dorian`s pictures are redused Dorian bigger and taller than Jay
Captain Blood Agreed - Jay appears half a foot closer in each picture
Totally biased, worst Dorian pics were chosen, against best from Jay, and not 1:1
Dorian is like half an inch taller and weight almost exactly the same. Jay would look bigger on stage and was wider
@Radek OM , I'm 5'10 and when I saw Ronnie in 98 he were about the same height. Each time that Ronnie and Jay hugged.. there was BARELY a difference. An inch at most. While Haney was seated when I saw him, I just can't believe he is 6'. He was even with dorian when they shook hands after Haney won.
Overall conditioning was never the same after the 90's.
The difference between jay’s physique and that of Dorian is like the difference in graphics between FIFA and PES 😄
Both are Legends in the end 💪🏽
bruh jay is flawless from the front
There is no way in hell that Jay beats Dorian in a rear lat spread 😂
I think it's very possible.
Not even slighty possible
Bodybuilding is subjective. It is.
No one can beat Dorian's rear lat spread except ronnie with his prime physique.
@@r4nd7r04d5 There are bodybuilding standars...you cant just say bodybuilding is subjective...if you put a classic physique huy against an open division guy the open division guy always wins by bodybuilding standars even thought the classic physique guy might be more aesthetic.....so by bodybuilding standars i believe real lat spread goes to dorian.
Dorian still has one of the all time best backs, if he had biceps he would be very hard to beat
Dorian has the best back of all time he’s completely unbeatable that includes versus Ronnie Coleman Ronnie Coleman was oh and nine versus dorian in their career in bodybuilding tournaments and I don’t want to hear this Ronnie was natural Jay Cutler also he never went head to head versus dorian but he could’ve never beat Dorian Dorian was a freight train that was just unbeatable
@@BruceWayne-ri4wr Phil Heath has the best back in bodybuilding history.
@@pepecomenepe3233 lol no, 0 width whatsoever.
Poor front lat spread which was his worst pose, not an impressive V taper in literally any pose from the front and even his back lat spread was meh in terms of width.
0 christmas tree in sight, and his strong points are matched if not beaten by Yates.
Yates is not only bigger but also way wider WHILE matching Phil's details and destroying him in dryness and density.
Show me a single show where Phil's back looked anywhere close to what Yates presented at the 1996 GGP for example. Go on.
@@dj_m19Phil’s back was better than Dorian - and even Jays back looks better here
@@fatboy5926 sure let's break it down.
Yates: way wider than both Jay and especially Phil
Yates: one of the greatest christmas trees and lower backs in general in history while neither Jay nor Phil ever had proper Christmas trees.
Traps: do I even have to say it?
So where's the better back from either of them? Yates destroys Jay in every department, Phil only wins on "3D fullness" yet his detailing pales next to Yates while being way narrower and also overall smaller.
Have you ever seen Phil in the front lat spread, his worst pose? Nonexistent lats.
Markus ruhl vs. Big ramy
enoe art that’s a sick matchup
Both are clash of the Titans in their prime time 💪💪💪👊😎
2009 jay is my favourite bb of all time
Jay always looked soft . Especially in the lower back and obliques . Dorian was ripped to the bone. Jay had a wide blocky waist and never looked comfortable in some of the mandatory poses . Dorian’s presentation was always spot on. Everyone knows about his back and how impressive it was but his calves were beyond belief along with his forearms. I just don’t see how jay at his best could ever beat Dorian at his best.
Jay wins front and side shots and dorian wins the 2 back shots. Overall Jay wins more poses. Dorian is more conditioned and Jay has more muscle mass. In terms of structure jay is wider. In terms of individual muscle groups they are even on calves, dorian has better back and Jay has better everything else.
So to sum it up jay is a bit better
@@orbarak123 Jay wins the front lat spread and abs and thighs? wins side tricep? are you out of your mind?
out of those 3, side tricep is the closest and MAYBE, just maybe he could take it. Even then it's 4-4 in the mandatories if we assume Cutler wins everything else.
And no, Jay didn't have more mass nor was he wider than Yates. In the clavicles, yes, back (lats) development? no.
They aren't even on calves either, Cutler had great calves, Yates had better. 2:28 - 3:00 - 3:57 easy to spot easy to judge it.
"dorian has better back and Jay has better everything else. "
1. Not true
2. It's not a body part competition.
abs and thighs = Yates
lat spread = Yates by a country mile and a half
back double = Yates
back lat spread = Yates.
that's 4 out of 8 mandatory poses right there and we didn't even get to the side tricep. You're either off your meds or clearly new to bb.
I still insist that in Jay's pursuit of Ronnie in size he ruined his conditioning
They have the same weight, 118 kg.
Ronnie Coleman (2001 Arnold Classic) vs Jay Cutler (2001 Mr. Olympia).
I don't think anyone has done this comparison yet!
Jay is just bigger. It is really a preference thing. One thing to notice is that Jay has way more developed legs.
*DORIAN YATES*
Jay had a huuuuuge waist but he was so damn wide it didnt even matter. I remembering hearing him talk in an interview and he said when he first started bodybuilding he knew his waist was too big so he concentrated so much on his back and shoulders so compensate
Jay is my favorite bb but Dorians back looks like its chiseled from granite!
Dorian is unbeatable from the back and overall conditioning
Unbeatable from the back. Hmm whatever you say man.
Am I the only person that thinks that Ronnie Coleman, Phil Heath and more have better backs than Dorian
@@Drae2212 Ronnie and Phil do indeed have a better bdb but bls idk about that.
Yaas!! This is what I wanted to see!! Cheers mate!
Two living legends of body building.
WOW,what a surprise but cutler DEFINITELY has the wider LAT SPREAD,thought for sure yates would have him there,cus to me that is about the only place yates would have him,THE BACK!!but at least in these pics,jays back with the exception of the lower lats,actually looks just as good but WIDER!!did not expect that,idk HTF anyone at least based on these pics can take YATES over CUTLER,imo CUTLER's better and bigger,again based on these photos!!
Rear lay spread would go to Dorian. He’s 4” taller and in terms of size would be much bigger than Jay. That makes a HUGE difference on stage.
T Ilo Dorian is 5’10/11
Jay is 5’9
Jack Harvey Jay is 5’7” ON the dot. Stood next to him 5/6 times. He’s TINY.
Dorian is taller but not mire huge.
T Ilo hmm that’s odd, he’s always claimed 5’9 🤷🏽♂️ okay thanks for the correction
Both of these guys are an inspiration to me to lift, and their back poses make me want to train more accurately
i stopped watching when he said jay has the better back ...
they all say that Jay is better ... but I could not beat Dorian in the 90s anymore !!!
It's better to compare the 1993 black and white Dorian pics a few weeks out vs 2009 Cutler to see more clarity.
Jay had amaxing legs and arms were good but his lats were so short and his abbs very odd looking to me. They almost appeared to be melting at times. Both great but Dorian was better to me overall.
Respect both of them..............
Dorian kills it so conditioned and hard
If you stood these two guys side by side Dorian wins. Conditioning and quality is far far better
Coleman, Cutler, and Yates are my top 3 goats!
No comparison dorian is next level
Dorian is more conditioned and symmetrical when compared to 'blocky' Jay... Dorian's back and calves are the best in bb history
prekursur regarding calves Mike Matarazzo maybe a liiiittle bit better?
Dorian, just looks more refined. Quality > quantity
Rear lat spread is Dorian all the way man, no comparison. Also Dorians photos are way less in quality, being 16 years before Jays
Jay look unique jay cutler is my favorite bodybulider 👍👍👍👍
@Manvendra Singh Chaudhary most overrated Mr Olympia in history like wtf
Same
Yes unique:)) like a fridge..
Na Jay was a blob
How can this man be so popular. He should had some sorta special Olympics. His body structure is so bad. He looks disgusting. Like how much hate Phil gets from his gut, but even pregnant Phil is way more pleasing than this Lego block.
Why not just be fair and show maybe not the worst possible back lat photo from 93. Not even flexing half his body lmao
Dorian's grainy musculature is a standard on its own. I love Jay09 and in terms of look I think it's the best of all time but overall Dorian's consistent quality over the years should shift the edge to Dorian.
Jay is better and more humble
Two different eras, and it's not a personality contest.
Please compare and discuss on the calves muscles as well
I genuinely love Jay. He motivates the fuck out of me.
These 2 physiques are the best in history
Dorian must had the best teardrop of all time?.
You leave out calves in many of your videos? I personally believe Yates was the superior bodybuilder.
Pictures issues not my fault.
A.F.S. I agree. I’m a fan of both, but Dorian smokes him. His ‘93 size and condition is almost unbeatable. Have to remember he’s taller than Jay also. Not the uploader’s fault, but these photos aren’t proportioned properly.
19mumsie46 Ronnie was better
I would go with jay in the rear lat spread because of the size, better upper traps, hamstrings, glutes and arms
True, literally everything except the conditioning of the back, is better on Jay.
So who would win, pose by pose win count they come out pretty much even don’t they?
Go to 5:00. Is that Dorian anymore? Or Andreas Münzer?
you are comparing normal pic with High quality picture how you get answers
Dorian's biceps were always his weakness but due to his other freaky body parts they were always overlooked.
Correction - due to politics they were always overlooked ***
If this is the case than big ramy should have beaten Phil in every back posses
is the guy in your intro from that weird anime where everyone is fucking ripped?
I thoroughly enjoy your insight... You are highly educated and WELL versed... Your logic is impeccable, and you always view things from all angles... Great Job!!!
ITS NEVER THE SAME IN 2D PICS OR EVEN VIDEO .LIKE SOME SAY , YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE FRONT ROW TO TRULY DECIDE WHO WINS.
Very good comparison.
Front double: Jay
Front lat: Dorian
Side chest: Jay
Back double: Dorian
Back lat: Dorian
Side tricep: very close
Abs and legs: Jay
Most mascular: Jay
@@johnnytulley6685 it's about abs and legs not only abs. Jay's quads are on another level.
@@khaibarkamal9714 its an AB and thigh, abs and v taper so clearly go to Dorian Jays legs cant make up for that
@@mrditkovich4545 Just because Dorian had bigger lats.
@@khaibarkamal9714 no his waist is tighter than jays
Jay's abs look weird but it's way more cut and defined. His thighs are also way better than Dorian's it's not even close. Y'all seriously don't know how to judge bodybuilding huh. Glad none of y'all are judges lmao.
The rear lat spread was close with slight advantage to Jay😂😂
Dorian 1996 grand prix is unmatched. You show that and Jay is toast
and Dorian was a lot lot bigger there. Jay wouldn't be winning any poses there, besides maybe front double biceps
Wow awesome analysis .
Kudos to them both for not having gyno
Bro this was silly Dorian wins the backlats pose
dorian is much taller than jay. so with his pictures dorian looks smaller than if they were standing next to each other in real life.
Just googled it and it says they are both 5'10"
@@GrnXnham Jay is actually 5'9. I have met him a few times at the LA Fitness expo and we're both the same height. I'm 5'9 as well.
Until seeing them side by side I never thought Jay could compete with Dorian but he definitely can. I would give the rear lat spread to Dorian but agree with you on everything else.At their best Jay might have actually beaten Dorian.
Might have? He would have. Dorian is overrated and his legs are lacking jn terms of today's era.
Both immensely good
Front double: close
Front lat: Dorian
Side chest: Jay
Back double: Dorian
Back lat: Dorian
Side tricep: Dorian
Abs and legs: Dorian
Most muscular: Jay
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Dorian smokes Jay... firstly consider the difference in technology, lighting etc...
Dorian has a smaller waist, better conditioning, better back, better calf’s, better forearms and better midsection...
at his time Dorian was miles ahead in terms of size and conditioning
Add to that Jays back, although big, is terrible... wrongly skin, no lower back at all and significant lack of details
Dorian's midsection was pretty distended in a lot of shows. Jay's was always tight, even though it was wider.
The truth is that Jay cutler is the soft version of Dorian yates
Not really. They have completely different physiques. Only real similaritu is their bone structure imo
No
Good comparison, only missing calves...
Talking about size bro..... Consider the generation gap.. Its huge.. And dorian having this much conditioned legs those days.. No comparison at all
Hahahaha, Dorian makes every Mr Olympia look off season 😂
KING RONIES COLEMAN BACK VS. DORIAN YATES BACK
Dorian legs from the rear looks skinny. Plus his he had weak glutes.
Jay isn't even known for his rear lat spread lol
Disagree that Dorian had more shredded Glutes, Jay’s were more shredded. Different time tough to compare these two. Jays shoulders were way bigger and rounder and had way deeper definition and striations as well.
also, when you compare competitors chose HD pictures for both
If they are a different height, you have to show that. Cutler is a little over 5'8" and Yates is a little over 5'10." Putting them at the same height gives a false impression.
Dorian 1993, Jay 2009, Haney 1989, Arnold 1974, Phil 2011 and Dexter 2008 the best shapes ever Without gut. Greatness.
Phil heath 2010/2011. Kevin, flex and shawn also had some insane physiques. Looking at the physiques alone and not taking the year and era into consideration, all the names I listed would destroy Arnold and Haney. They’d all probably beat Dexter, too, imo
2009 Jay Cutler version is top 3 performances of all time along with arnold 74 and ronnie 99
Era una heladera ese pibe. Por dios que mala suerte con la genética JC
09 jay, 99 ronnie and 11 phil are the most complete shapes ever seen on stage. 93 dorian is amazing but those arms are really lacking. I wish he brought his 93 photoshoot body to the stage, that was absolutely monstrous
His arms did look much bigger in that photo shoot
@@englishfam9675 everything looked much bigger, he was like a human anatomy chart of grainy freakiness
You can never be considered one of the most complete physiques with a weak lower back that has wrinkles... So Jay... no
@@lccmzansi1192 i was looking at his back overall and thought it looks impressive, but ok, fair point...
Son Emet I think he was 15-20lbs bigger in the photos
Dorian is the G.O.A.T
It’s me or early versions of Dorian’s biceps were underrated 🤔
no you aren't the only one ;
92, and 93 , Dorian had great arms ;
in this vidéo, i'm maybe blind, but for me Dorian win everything ;
You're blind.
@@musclemutant361 and you are comparing two different size pics, Dorian from way back, and Jay closer to the camera in full HD, very fair isn't it !
Close to the camera full HD? Dude, there is 16 years difference between the 2 pics, of course Jay's pics would be of higher quality. Why are you nagging about the evident?!
@@musclemutant361 your abs and thighs comparison was ridiculous, jay definitely kills him in the thighs but abs and thighs more so than any other is about flow and aesthetics, jay looked like a mess, his abs didn't actually have more details at all he just genetically has an 8 pack, his chest looked scrunched, and his waist looked atrocious, he didn't even have even a slight v taper his waist nearly matched his lats dorian kills him in proportions and aesthetics
Dorian wins the side tricep, abs and t., Back double bicep, back lat spread, front lat spread
Jay wins the other 3 mandatories.
Jay is bigger but Dorian is better conditioned so I think if you judge by the mandotories dorian win
Jay advantage over Dorian - shoulders, quads and biceps. Rest Dorian beating him.
Jay had that flat chest wide waist and stomach I'd have to go with Dorian in his prime
THE 4TH SON jay had a flat chest? Are you blind or something?? Look at that side chest pose
@@Bigbossialb look at his chest when it's relaxed its wide and flat and go ahead look at his side chest pose and look at other bodybuilders even Dexter Jackson and you'll see that their chest is Fuller then Jay Cutler yes Jay Cutler has a flat chest go look at a Phil Heath side chest pose a Dexter Jackson a Ramey a Rollie a Rodan Cedric and you'll see what I'm talking about yes he has a flat chest go look at those guy side chest pose see how full they are and then look at Jay Cutler's he has a flat chest
Man look at 0:22 he has a fully & wide chest. I don‘t know what you‘re talking about.
Lol @ flat chest. Get your fucking eyes checked. Jay had a phenomenal chest, clearly better than Dorian's.
It's a tie but the abs and thighs could go to Dorian during Jays worst years but then again Dorians abs were not good in 94 and 97. If there was a calf pose Dorian will win the competition.
But j is one of my favorites but Yates is the man
Best mandatory poses of all time
Now it’s very hardly comparate Dorian and Jay,they are a naturally species evolution. Dorian was the game changer and Jay is a mass monster without bubble guts. Jay was more big on all’s muscles except the uncanny Dorian back.... Yates showed a very hardly and rocky muscles,maybe nobody today is dense like his. Who’s is the best? Jay and Dorian are a special guys,two different body,two great athletes.
En la mayoria de las fotos que presentas cortas em area de gemelos y creo que esa parte del cuerpo es muy importante por lo menos para hacer un comparativo y para hacer una calificacion.
Absolutely no comparison dude.
man im dead jay really do be winning only side chest
Big ramy vs frank zane
Jay is the best
Jay more mass but Damn Dorian got size not as much as Jay but so defined!!!!!
My top 2 guys are Dorian and jay . For me first Dorian second jay .
Dorian GOAT 💪
Dorian first, always.
That is the one thing that ALWAYS got me about Dorian Yates,his ARMS were BAD!!I Cant think of a recent Mr O with arms this small!?I know arms are far from the most important thing in terms of OVERALL JUDGING,but to me they just never stacked up against ALMOST any of the past winners!!FRANCO'S arms were not great but he had a much smaller frame than Yates,thats what makes it kinda bad,Dorian is generally credited for bringing in the MASS era,and he just never had impressive arms!!maybe a guy like CHRIS DICKERSON had small arms but again a much smaller frame!!FRANK ZANE again same thing,except Zanes arms were decent for his size,one of the smallest to ever win the title!!idk IMO they really should have had a little more to say about those yrs when YATES was the reigning champ,there was ALWAYS an awful lot of talk about YATES being WEIDERS boy and yes I'm well aware of the ARNOLD and WEIDER yrs as well!!but with ARNOLD at least most of his titles were not really disputable,cuz he was THE BEST!!u can bring up the abs and legs with arnold,but it was the late 60's and early 70's when he did his DAMAGE, physiques were different then,but in the case of Yates he was literally ushering in a new era in MASS,so to have anything on the small side??to take the weider thing a little further Dorian even won when he had a bicep tear and his arms looked even WORSE!!to me personally CUTLER smokes YATES!!not in all poses of course,the SHADOWS BACK IS INSANE!!and honestly that right there is the MAIN reason he took 6 sandows!!but cutler is no slouch with the back either,but total pkg goes to CUTLER, for whatever reason Yates is basically untouchable,but imo him even more then arnold was a WEIDER GOLDEN BOY!!
Jay wins abs and thigh? Incorrect.
jay is a dorian Yates 2.0 ...dorian 1,77 for 118 kg jay 1,75 x 125 kgdorian was the 1st mass monster but his legs was not so developped like top bb of the 2000s 2010s