I understad that we do not want to talk bad about a company. But it is even worse not. We can not accept being fooled by companies either and the one of us who knows must speak up on behalf of the ones being fooled
The last Burton board I bought was a Custom X, in 2004. Made in the USA. All the tech in the world won't save you from mass production oversight and poor quality control.
On the Burton website it is stated that all Burton boards come factory tuned with 89 deg edges. By the way, the edges of my new Burton Process (made in Austria) are properly sharp.
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop (before the edge is completely gone or too thin to be functional)? I would like to see that video. Thanks for sharing!
The edges on my Burton Custom cracked in 2 places from normal riding. Then a pretty mellow drop snapped the core underneath the binding. I’m done with Burton. Just bought a Nitro Team and it feels great!
@@lisan_al_g4ib sad to hear that. Bad things can happen with any brand. This edge thing here is a reoccurring issue, and I felt like it should be addressed. Good luck with the Nitro. Edges normally only crack on rails.
Can't wait to hear that one. I got a Flight Attendant, love it, but not when it gets hard to icy as the edgehold simple is an absolute no-show, it's horrendous (and it's not just my lack of perfect technique, but that unfortunately adds to the problem 😜). How can such a company mess up on edge tec/tuning?? Leaves me wondering and shaking my head... see ya later 😀🤙
I had a Burton Custom Camber for 2 seasons (like it very much except the edges) where i live i see a lot of ice on piste so i sold it and bought Lib Tech, a game changer 🥰
Magnetraction hides the in fact terrible Mervin factory tune... Their edges are often unfinished and coarse. It seemingly depends in the machine operator, a snowboarder with a job. :-)
How do you tune the edges of a magnetraction board, or I suppose any board with a disrupted sidecut, can you do it the same way as a full camber board?
I brought this up with different reps years ago and repeatedly. At some point one of them said that they had just been talking about this in a meeting. Maybe when i said 'uniform edge' they went and made it uniformly dull?! ;-)
This reminds me of a board I bought in the past. The guy at the pro shop (if you can call it that) took a bastard file to my whole edge without my knowledge... let's just say I was furious. That's when I took it upon myself to purchase my own tools and do all the work myself. I have also noticed certain brands coming fairly rounded. It's like you want to call them up and ask them if they cut their hardened materials with a butter knife! Make it make sense 😆
My friend has got a new free thinker and it's the same! My old Salomon haven't been tuned for at least 2 years and it's my workhorse and it feels times and times grippier than Burton
I have one and edges were sharp, although I still added my touches at 87°. Think I can cut paper now...😅 Did you buy online or in store? Either way I inspect all my boards tip to tail. I see a flaw I don't like I'm returning or not purchasing. I do understand if purchasing from unknown and unable to return. Then again, typically I don't buy if I can't return... my policy 😉
I thinks it’s a consistency issue from Burton, seems like not all boards come out of the factory equal! I have this years Custom Camber and it’s proper sharp! It still won’t have the best of grips on an icy terrain when trying to carve hard, but then again it’s meant to be an all rounder and it’s really good at that. Burton needs to work harder on keeping their work consistent, feels like it’s a game of luck at this stage!! Anyway Lars, if you have any suggestion on what board to get for proper carving coming from a Custom, I’d be keen to hear. Thanks for the great content!
@mrlurton with the custom X camber at my disposal it's fast, carves hard, but I'm hearing good things and seen them in person... Jones freecarver 9000 maybe my next board purchase.
@@Not.The.Avg.Smitty thanks! I love the custom X but trying to go for something more directional… I am also thinking about the freecarver but leaning more towards the 6000. Am just worried about the flex level
@mrlurton you know I've asked people to swap boards for a ride down with really good results. If I see someone my size on a sweet board setup, worst they can say is no. More often then not they want to try other boards too. But I'm old, they know I'm not running nowhere...😅🤣
100% agree. I've had to sharpen all my new Burton boards straight from the factory. I've tried to explain to the RUclips channel The Good Ride that this is a clear issue that he is overlooking in all of his Burton review videos. You can't review the edge hold of boards if they're completely dull. It's a complete waste of time.
Thx Lars, bad to see a board delivered like that. Did you measure the edge width defore and after tuning? I think the alakesam is made in china, the only family tree made in austria is the hometown hero. I never had problems with the austrian made edges before this year btw. I think there is too much automation for the board contouring in the burton factories. This board could have been sent back imo. I'm using rough diamond stones(100-200) before the file for the first tuning in order or get rid of the factory glaze , i saw world cup race ski preps doing that, works pretty well.
I have experienced burtons being terrible on ice despite the board having the characteristics of a board that should have grip. A bad edge tune would make sense
Where was this board made/originated from? Just wondering if this makes a difference as well. I know my 1998 burton supermodel was hand made in Vermont USA and I still ride it on occasion.😉 Edit: my 24 custom x camber is made in Austria and came with nice edges from factory. Not 87° razors like I like, but good.
Don't know where this comes from. Homie picked it up now. Can't tell you. They make a lot in China these days, which means nothing!! Could be amazing and horrendous... Depends on the facility.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channelno biggie was curious if they made certain models in China, other models Austria, poland, etc... I agree 💯, my first 98 supermodel(made in USA) suffered deamination 1st ride out. Contacted burton and got a new one within a couple weeks (from recollection). tihS happens.😉 Thanks for reply
@ they definitely come out of different facilities these days. The Chinese one that I last knew of was Titan. Nidecker make some boards there, too, as far as I know (and in Tunisia at Meditech, yes, African desert!).
@@vespatipps6949 well, these things happen. But I know for a fact that this is not a one-of. I've seen too many round factory edges from Burton over the last 12 years...
Just sent my binding into Burton for their “lifetime” warranty and they denied them even though both footpads had fallen out. Like that could be from an impact or normal wear. Effers. Never give them another dime.
Imagine if somebody had tried to ride that board as is or only waxed it before use! I've never seen a factory board come like this, including dozens of Burtons from both China and Austria. It's as though they simply skipped that entire step and didn't catch it in QC?
Burton's edges are dogshit. I learned that the hard way with mine, and my daughters board. We started with their beginner boards (I forget the names of them), and two seasons ago, I bought a Custom and my daughter got the Daily Driver. Both had terrible edge hold right out of the box. After hand tuning them myself, both boards were still terrible on hard pack or worse. A base grind improved my daughters board, but did nothing for mine. The next season, we made the jump to Amplid, and the difference in edge hold felt like I was cheating. Please stay away from Burton.
@@leer2321 strong opinion. I wouldn’t go quite that far, but I agree on their grip in general. Their flexes are not necessarily good for carving. Tips are often too stiff. That kills grip regardless of the edges being sharp or dull.
That's a terrible showing on Burton's behalf Lars. I recently purchased a brand new Jones Freecarver 9000 and the edges are razor sharp. While we are on the subject of boards. Which Stranda would you suggest as a board best for carving ? Six feet tall, 155lbs in weight with size 10 UK sized boots. What says you Sir ?
@ Cheater 170W. If you're comfortable riding the 9000, you can definitely ride a Cheater. It'll be a different ride. More traditional carving flex: stiffer centre, softer tips. Cheater is calmer at speed and in chop than 9000, but overall less versatile. It's more of a committed softboot carving board.
This is what happens when a company cares more about making money than producing good quality products. Quality over quantity…. Not the other way around 🤦🏻♂️
The board itself is probably great. And that is personal anyways!! But man.... even a beginner board needs more edge than this!! It's just wrong that this can enter a retail shop and go on the shelf.
Made in China is not a bad thing. It really depends on the facility and what the company is willing to pay for quality control and overall manufacturing quality / attention to detail / material choice.... I ride Stranda boards, which come from GP87 in China, a small badge facility that also makes most Gentemstick boards. Quality is superb.
I don’t mean to come off the wrong way and I’m glad to know that about gp87. I don’t know if it’s just that us Americans have been bombarded with cheap low quality toxic junk from China via Amazon or what. But it just gives the feeling that Chinese manufacturing is generally poor. I think we also want to support our local economy and workers, however never summer and mervin don’t really seem to make a slightly larger radius, 27-27.5cm wide, traditional camber dominant board. Donek is way too expensive for my 12 days a season. I have actually been thinking a lot about a biru or descender. The biru seems right for me except I’m hesitant on the 7.1m radius. My current board is 7.6m mid-stiff flex and I’m getting really tight turns out of it after improving my carving. This leads me to the descender but I’m not really riding big mountain or freeriding. I love carving the most and it’s the strongest part of my riding, plus I like to jump off of anything I see on the side of the trails and do a little bit of butters. This all leads to me riding switch 10-15% of the time. Any thoughts? I may also be kidding myself wanting more drawn out turns, considering we don’t really have a lot of big wide open slopes in New England and it can be pretty crowded out there sometimes. Thanks!
@@mikemaz6121 yeah, that's tough. I wouldn't get too hung up on the 'Big Mountain' thing with the Descender. It's just the category Stranda put it in - because marketing needs categories and target groups. I love that board and ride it a lot on and off piste. Oh, and I totally get your comment!! I agree to a large degree. That issue, however, is of course home made!! It is our own companies that choose to put everything into another country's hands.... But that is where my comment comes in: you can still monitor everything, if you think that that has value... ;-)
Even with sharened edged, the edgehold isn't quite there, still inferior compared to other brands when it comes to hardpack and icey conditions in my personal experience. Burton literally should get a grip on that 😉
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel aaah, ok, I see. That could be the case, never thought of that as I'm in no way a snowboard tech guy. Love the FA in Pow and softer/groomed snow, such a joy. But if that's not the case or just for easy riding or as a daily driver it's simply and sadly not working
You’ve probably cost Burton a LOT of business posting this video. I loved the Burton stuff I’ve owned/own but I can’t say they didn’t deserve it. Burton, this is a disgrace, sort yourself out.
I don't mean to cost anybody business. I want companies to improve. The thing here is that I've been mentioning this to Burton reps for a decade..... and this board was the pinnacle of terrible. However, I need to turn this one around onto the consumer: The industry gets away with a lot of bad finishing, simply because the consumer doesn't know, understand or care!! "It's just a bloody snowboard, dude! Chill!" Yeah, but then it costs $800.00.... so maybe it's not JUST a snowboard, right?! The not knowing part is the industry's fault. Where is Burton's edge tuning video? Mervin basically hide behind Magnetraction and pretend edge tuning is useless - at least in the way the hype up their overkill edge design. Anyhow... I'm not trying to shit on anyone, I want to see snowboarding grow up!! There's plenty of riders in their 50's now. They want more than 'cool stuff'.
@ yeah. I’m one of those (57) that don’t give a shit about ‘cool stuff’. That being said, my wife just spent £630 on a Burton Jacket for my birthday and Christmas and I LOVE it. The quality is exceptional. But if the quality of the boards is less than expected they can’t be expected not to improve their quality controls. Also, please get Stranda to make a directional twin in wide that carves exceptionally well. Thanks.
I can’t comprehend such negativity here or your odd insults of Burton. They’re still one of the best snowboard companies ever. Tunes are often unnecessary and very overrated. If you’re riding properly, upright over your edges then tuning doesn’t really matter or make a difference except on ice.
Thats what happens when you send your manufacturers to China instead of keeping it in the US. We had a Burton factory right in my hometown Burlington VT. Where Burton was started, and now then they moved the manufacturing to China and we lost alot of jobs first of all and second, we lost the better quality of the boards due to it. I stopped riding Burton after all that.
A very small part of boards came from Vermont in the last 20 years... Lots was made in Austria. Eventually more and more got moved to China.Some still come from Austria. However, made in China is not a bad thing! It all depends on the chosen facility and their attention to detail and quality control.
@@markoobilic-j9b It's just silly, because there's plenty examples where the US made product is clearly inferior. Mervin's edges are coarse and their bases furry and slow. The boards delam when they see a stump and yet are very expensive. Then between Lib and GNU when you read Mervin lingo there's pretty much no difference in construction, yet GNU is cheaper, which is a bit of a creation of 'premium vs. normal brand' while fooling a customer. And that is all okay, because it's made in the States?! Wild!! The only thing about made in China that one needs to monitor as best as possible is worker conditions. I wouldn;t want my boards to be made where people can't make a living of their job. But otherwise it's all about the facility and the amount of care taken. There's good and bad factories in any country....
@@teluspirate supposedly China, but that doesn’t matter. There are excellent Chinese facilities. It’s not about the country a board is made in. It’s attention to detail and QC. And that should be in the hands of the company through the factory.
The board is 4mm narrower now. 😂
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I understad that we do not want to talk bad about a company. But it is even worse not. We can not accept being fooled by companies either and the one of us who knows must speak up on behalf of the ones being fooled
This was the very intention of this channel... Thanks!!
The last Burton board I bought was a Custom X, in 2004. Made in the USA. All the tech in the world won't save you from mass production oversight and poor quality control.
On the Burton website it is stated that all Burton boards come factory tuned with 89 deg edges. By the way, the edges of my new Burton Process (made in Austria) are properly sharp.
I know my Stranda board came with a sharp edge! In one trip it put holes in my snowboard bag 🤣🤣
My stranda would cut my fingers if I wasn’t careful.
mine already did 😆
My descender went through the neoprene sleeve and the board bag. Great ice management.
Wow I was sceptical, but that is horrendous. Burton needs to stepup its game
*step-on
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop (before the edge is completely gone or too thin to be functional)? I would like to see that video.
Thanks for sharing!
The edges on my Burton Custom cracked in 2 places from normal riding. Then a pretty mellow drop snapped the core underneath the binding. I’m done with Burton. Just bought a Nitro Team and it feels great!
@@lisan_al_g4ib sad to hear that. Bad things can happen with any brand. This edge thing here is a reoccurring issue, and I felt like it should be addressed. Good luck with the Nitro. Edges normally only crack on rails.
Can't wait to hear that one. I got a Flight Attendant, love it, but not when it gets hard to icy as the edgehold simple is an absolute no-show, it's horrendous (and it's not just my lack of perfect technique, but that unfortunately adds to the problem 😜). How can such a company mess up on edge tec/tuning?? Leaves me wondering and shaking my head... see ya later 😀🤙
I had a Burton Custom Camber for 2 seasons (like it very much except the edges) where i live i see a lot of ice on piste so i sold it and bought Lib Tech, a game changer 🥰
Magnetraction hides the in fact terrible Mervin factory tune... Their edges are often unfinished and coarse. It seemingly depends in the machine operator, a snowboarder with a job. :-)
How do you tune the edges of a magnetraction board, or I suppose any board with a disrupted sidecut, can you do it the same way as a full camber board?
Burton need to comment on this.
I brought this up with different reps years ago and repeatedly. At some point one of them said that they had just been talking about this in a meeting. Maybe when i said 'uniform edge' they went and made it uniformly dull?! ;-)
Haha, right, a circle arguably has a very uniform outline... 😂
This reminds me of a board I bought in the past. The guy at the pro shop (if you can call it that) took a bastard file to my whole edge without my knowledge... let's just say I was furious. That's when I took it upon myself to purchase my own tools and do all the work myself. I have also noticed certain brands coming fairly rounded. It's like you want to call them up and ask them if they cut their hardened materials with a butter knife! Make it make sense 😆
I understand your pain.. I only had worse edges on Rome boards.. Some of them are so bad on the base side...so so bad..
Bummer!!
My friend has got a new free thinker and it's the same! My old Salomon haven't been tuned for at least 2 years and it's my workhorse and it feels times and times grippier than Burton
Bought a Custom Camber X last Jan, same exact thing. Completely dull edges from the factory. Complete opposite of my Stranda Cheater
I have one and edges were sharp, although I still added my touches at 87°. Think I can cut paper now...😅
Did you buy online or in store? Either way I inspect all my boards tip to tail. I see a flaw I don't like I'm returning or not purchasing. I do understand if purchasing from unknown and unable to return. Then again, typically I don't buy if I can't return... my policy 😉
I thinks it’s a consistency issue from Burton, seems like not all boards come out of the factory equal!
I have this years Custom Camber and it’s proper sharp! It still won’t have the best of grips on an icy terrain when trying to carve hard, but then again it’s meant to be an all rounder and it’s really good at that.
Burton needs to work harder on keeping their work consistent, feels like it’s a game of luck at this stage!!
Anyway Lars, if you have any suggestion on what board to get for proper carving coming from a Custom, I’d be keen to hear. Thanks for the great content!
@mrlurton with the custom X camber at my disposal it's fast, carves hard, but I'm hearing good things and seen them in person... Jones freecarver 9000 maybe my next board purchase.
@@Not.The.Avg.Smitty thanks! I love the custom X but trying to go for something more directional… I am also thinking about the freecarver but leaning more towards the 6000. Am just worried about the flex level
@mrlurton you know I've asked people to swap boards for a ride down with really good results. If I see someone my size on a sweet board setup, worst they can say is no. More often then not they want to try other boards too.
But I'm old, they know I'm not running nowhere...😅🤣
100% agree. I've had to sharpen all my new Burton boards straight from the factory. I've tried to explain to the RUclips channel The Good Ride that this is a clear issue that he is overlooking in all of his Burton review videos. You can't review the edge hold of boards if they're completely dull. It's a complete waste of time.
@@thedude5510 yeah, you’re not wrong.
Me 22/23 Skeleton Key was exactly the same from factory. Blunt from tip to tail.
Thanks for your work. Currently I only trust or have time for your opinions and I am a long term Angry Man follower
Big compliment!! Thank you very much!
My capita merc almost sliced my finger haha.
Capita factory edge is gnarly!!
Thx Lars, bad to see a board delivered like that. Did you measure the edge width defore and after tuning? I think the alakesam is made in china, the only family tree made in austria is the hometown hero. I never had problems with the austrian made edges before this year btw. I think there is too much automation for the board contouring in the burton factories. This board could have been sent back imo. I'm using rough diamond stones(100-200) before the file for the first tuning in order or get rid of the factory glaze , i saw world cup race ski preps doing that, works pretty well.
My new skeleton key sucks on ice. I barely even use it because of it, I must investigate.
So does my flight attendant. So sad. Love the board but as soon as conditions gets harder to icy it's horrendous
Completely agree with you. Rode the skeleton key the first time during icy conditions yesterday and it's terrible
I have experienced burtons being terrible on ice despite the board having the characteristics of a board that should have grip. A bad edge tune would make sense
Where was this board made/originated from? Just wondering if this makes a difference as well. I know my 1998 burton supermodel was hand made in Vermont USA and I still ride it on occasion.😉
Edit: my 24 custom x camber is made in Austria and came with nice edges from factory. Not 87° razors like I like, but good.
@@Not.The.Avg.Smitty My generation one channel system Burton.Custom x one sixty eight wide was an absolute ripper and it was made in austria
Don't know where this comes from. Homie picked it up now. Can't tell you. They make a lot in China these days, which means nothing!! Could be amazing and horrendous... Depends on the facility.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channelno biggie was curious if they made certain models in China, other models Austria, poland, etc... I agree 💯, my first 98 supermodel(made in USA) suffered deamination 1st ride out. Contacted burton and got a new one within a couple weeks (from recollection). tihS happens.😉
Thanks for reply
@ they definitely come out of different facilities these days. The Chinese one that I last knew of was Titan. Nidecker make some boards there, too, as far as I know (and in Tunisia at Meditech, yes, African desert!).
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel The alekesam is made in china
That was A LOT of edge 😅
What glove are you using on your tool hand? Thanks!
Sidecut tuning tools work glove. Nothing special. Kevlar coated. www.sidecut.com/product/GLOVE.html?Category_Code=
WOW... unbelievable. I think there was/is a fault with the grinding machine in production. That would mean that other boards are also affected.
This is an extreme, but not a first. I’ve been telling their reps for years. They know, yet seemingly don’t act…
@ unbelievable… and this from a Brand like Burton… and for the Money which they Boards cost. 🤨
@@vespatipps6949 well, these things happen. But I know for a fact that this is not a one-of. I've seen too many round factory edges from Burton over the last 12 years...
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel really crazy and good to know. 👍🏻
Just sent my binding into Burton for their “lifetime” warranty and they denied them even though both footpads had fallen out. Like that could be from an impact or normal wear. Effers. Never give them another dime.
Lifetime warranty on B bindings is on the baseplates only, which is fair enough. Always hard to comment on warranty cases without knowing the case.
What tool do you use? Looks like it's doing with bottom and side?
I retract my comment, I saw your edge tuning guide video, thanks!
What direction are u going with the edge tool?
Doesn't matter.
This is sad. Any idea how much of an edge Korua board's have when they're brand new?
my 64 Cafe Racer from the factory was razor sharp, i recommend a good wax with blue wax on the sides
edit: edge angle 89 on the side
Sharp! I agree blue wax along the edges for sure. The rest of the base doesn't get touched 😂 same as my pencil!
They're pretty good. Used to be 88°. Currently and seemingly 89°. Definitely sharp and properly finished (polished), likely with a ceramic grind.
Imagine if somebody had tried to ride that board as is or only waxed it before use! I've never seen a factory board come like this, including dozens of Burtons from both China and Austria. It's as though they simply skipped that entire step and didn't catch it in QC?
I’ve seen to many that were close to this. But this one deserved all three Oscars. 🙂
Burton's edges are dogshit. I learned that the hard way with mine, and my daughters board. We started with their beginner boards (I forget the names of them), and two seasons ago, I bought a Custom and my daughter got the Daily Driver. Both had terrible edge hold right out of the box. After hand tuning them myself, both boards were still terrible on hard pack or worse. A base grind improved my daughters board, but did nothing for mine. The next season, we made the jump to Amplid, and the difference in edge hold felt like I was cheating.
Please stay away from Burton.
@@leer2321 strong opinion. I wouldn’t go quite that far, but I agree on their grip in general. Their flexes are not necessarily good for carving. Tips are often too stiff. That kills grip regardless of the edges being sharp or dull.
Good lord....... Is there any metal left ? 😂😂😂
Yeah, plenty! Just bad this needed to be done...
That's a terrible showing on Burton's behalf Lars. I recently purchased a brand new Jones Freecarver 9000 and the edges are razor sharp.
While we are on the subject of boards. Which Stranda would you suggest as a board best for carving ?
Six feet tall, 155lbs in weight with size 10 UK sized boots. What says you Sir ?
@ Cheater 170W. If you're comfortable riding the 9000, you can definitely ride a Cheater. It'll be a different ride. More traditional carving flex: stiffer centre, softer tips. Cheater is calmer at speed and in chop than 9000, but overall less versatile. It's more of a committed softboot carving board.
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Finally you found a board that had a 0° base pebble from the factory?
Hahahahaha.....
This is what happens when a company cares more about making money than producing good quality products. Quality over quantity…. Not the other way around 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah, I think things have changed since Jake’s passing…
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channelthat’s real unfortunate… but more reasons to support smaller companies!
😮 !
This board is factory tuned for sliding on rails...
I would have loved this in 2008. Not so much today.
Wow so overpriced and non compatible binding system makes it a no go for me anyway. They probably have some good ones. I like versatile boards.
The board itself is probably great. And that is personal anyways!! But man.... even a beginner board needs more edge than this!! It's just wrong that this can enter a retail shop and go on the shelf.
@@Frank020 they still make regular boots and bindings too
@@WAco-se9wf I didn't know that. Maybe I looked at them about 10 yrs ago. Thanks for the info.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel lol . I like that pre-bending for durability. Jones may do that too. Not sure, Im just an old cruiser.
Who rides Burton nowadays?
Last I heard they have like 60% of the entire snowboard market 💀
@@mikemaz6121 where I live in Sweden you dont see good riders in Burton. Nidecker is the new king (Jones, YES, Bataleon Rome). Size doesnt mean better
I would say for every 4 boards i see at my local resort 1 is a burton. Those suckers are everywhere.
Good thing they moved production to China
Made in China is not a bad thing. It really depends on the facility and what the company is willing to pay for quality control and overall manufacturing quality / attention to detail / material choice.... I ride Stranda boards, which come from GP87 in China, a small badge facility that also makes most Gentemstick boards. Quality is superb.
I don’t mean to come off the wrong way and I’m glad to know that about gp87. I don’t know if it’s just that us Americans have been bombarded with cheap low quality toxic junk from China via Amazon or what. But it just gives the feeling that Chinese manufacturing is generally poor. I think we also want to support our local economy and workers, however never summer and mervin don’t really seem to make a slightly larger radius, 27-27.5cm wide, traditional camber dominant board. Donek is way too expensive for my 12 days a season.
I have actually been thinking a lot about a biru or descender. The biru seems right for me except I’m hesitant on the 7.1m radius. My current board is 7.6m mid-stiff flex and I’m getting really tight turns out of it after improving my carving. This leads me to the descender but I’m not really riding big mountain or freeriding. I love carving the most and it’s the strongest part of my riding, plus I like to jump off of anything I see on the side of the trails and do a little bit of butters. This all leads to me riding switch 10-15% of the time. Any thoughts? I may also be kidding myself wanting more drawn out turns, considering we don’t really have a lot of big wide open slopes in New England and it can be pretty crowded out there sometimes. Thanks!
@@mikemaz6121 yeah, that's tough. I wouldn't get too hung up on the 'Big Mountain' thing with the Descender. It's just the category Stranda put it in - because marketing needs categories and target groups. I love that board and ride it a lot on and off piste.
Oh, and I totally get your comment!! I agree to a large degree. That issue, however, is of course home made!! It is our own companies that choose to put everything into another country's hands.... But that is where my comment comes in: you can still monitor everything, if you think that that has value... ;-)
Burton doesn't care anymore
Even with sharened edged, the edgehold isn't quite there, still inferior compared to other brands when it comes to hardpack and icey conditions in my personal experience. Burton literally should get a grip on that 😉
I agree. It’s their flex! The tips are mostly too stiff on their boards.
@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel aaah, ok, I see. That could be the case, never thought of that as I'm in no way a snowboard tech guy. Love the FA in Pow and softer/groomed snow, such a joy. But if that's not the case or just for easy riding or as a daily driver it's simply and sadly not working
You’ve probably cost Burton a LOT of business posting this video. I loved the Burton stuff I’ve owned/own but I can’t say they didn’t deserve it. Burton, this is a disgrace, sort yourself out.
I don't mean to cost anybody business. I want companies to improve. The thing here is that I've been mentioning this to Burton reps for a decade..... and this board was the pinnacle of terrible.
However, I need to turn this one around onto the consumer: The industry gets away with a lot of bad finishing, simply because the consumer doesn't know, understand or care!! "It's just a bloody snowboard, dude! Chill!" Yeah, but then it costs $800.00.... so maybe it's not JUST a snowboard, right?!
The not knowing part is the industry's fault. Where is Burton's edge tuning video? Mervin basically hide behind Magnetraction and pretend edge tuning is useless - at least in the way the hype up their overkill edge design. Anyhow... I'm not trying to shit on anyone, I want to see snowboarding grow up!! There's plenty of riders in their 50's now. They want more than 'cool stuff'.
@ yeah. I’m one of those (57) that don’t give a shit about ‘cool stuff’. That being said, my wife just spent £630 on a Burton Jacket for my birthday and Christmas and I LOVE it. The quality is exceptional. But if the quality of the boards is less than expected they can’t be expected not to improve their quality controls. Also, please get Stranda to make a directional twin in wide that carves exceptionally well. Thanks.
I can’t comprehend such negativity here or your odd insults of Burton. They’re still one of the best snowboard companies ever. Tunes are often unnecessary and very overrated. If you’re riding properly, upright over your edges then tuning doesn’t really matter or make a difference except on ice.
Hi Suz!!
Useless and overpriced. It's a shame what this brand has become in terms of quality. Total junk!
I wouldn't go that far... but yeah, I haven't touched a sharp Burton factory edge in a decade, that's the truth...
Thats what happens when you send your manufacturers to China instead of keeping it in the US. We had a Burton factory right in my hometown Burlington VT. Where Burton was started, and now then they moved the manufacturing to China and we lost alot of jobs first of all and second, we lost the better quality of the boards due to it. I stopped riding Burton after all that.
A very small part of boards came from Vermont in the last 20 years... Lots was made in Austria. Eventually more and more got moved to China.Some still come from Austria. However, made in China is not a bad thing! It all depends on the chosen facility and their attention to detail and quality control.
@@Justaride-Snowboard-Channel there is a LOT of hysteria around Chinese manufacturing coming from American snowboarders recently. frustrating to see
@@markoobilic-j9b It's just silly, because there's plenty examples where the US made product is clearly inferior. Mervin's edges are coarse and their bases furry and slow. The boards delam when they see a stump and yet are very expensive. Then between Lib and GNU when you read Mervin lingo there's pretty much no difference in construction, yet GNU is cheaper, which is a bit of a creation of 'premium vs. normal brand' while fooling a customer. And that is all okay, because it's made in the States?! Wild!!
The only thing about made in China that one needs to monitor as best as possible is worker conditions. I wouldn;t want my boards to be made where people can't make a living of their job. But otherwise it's all about the facility and the amount of care taken. There's good and bad factories in any country....
Austrian or China factory for that model?
@@teluspirate supposedly China, but that doesn’t matter. There are excellent Chinese facilities. It’s not about the country a board is made in. It’s attention to detail and QC. And that should be in the hands of the company through the factory.