Game of Thrones | Season 8 Episode 6 | The Lost "Inside the Episode" - Clips with Commentary
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
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HBO released the "Inside the Episode" for the series finale as a double-sized video on the Blu-ray set, titled "Duty is the Death of Love". This is a supercut of just the parts where Benioff & Weiss talk about their storywriting decisions - the whole thing is 30 minutes long, but I cut out all of the extraneous parts where cast members say "it was great" (redundant) or where the production team talks about how they physically built the sets and props. This contains ALL clips of Benioff & Weiss talking about story decisions, not just a select few.
Wow, I read A Dance With Dragons two years before it was written... 🤔
"It all comes together, or it all falls apart".
Well I guess we know which it was.
We sure the hell do! 😡
“The natural outcome?” Have they watched the show? This is why the audience hates them. All the retconning and lying.
Word. Both in-universe and out. Like, if Jon just can't keep his parentage secret from his sisters, why is he okay with lying to them that Dany would only help in exchange for his bending the knee, when that's literally not how the sequence of events we saw in Episode 6 of Season 7 went?
Best acting of season 8: Maise Williams saying the episode was beautifully written without bursting into laughter/tears.
Give her an Emmy!
Right 🤦♀️
She has no reason to complain, which is why she did not.
So do they think season 3 came out 3 years ago or something ? These guys cant even get their own story straight so its no surprise the shows story was filled with inconsistencies and plot holes
dezomolz they contradict themselves *within the same video*
season 3 was when the red wedding happened and it was the response to that when they realized that their policy was one of subverting expectations and having multiple red weddings every season. I can't find the interview at the moment but there is one out there from season 4 of Weiss saying they wanted more red weddings.
DnD: We totally came up with this idea back when you all were wondering about what we would do when we ran out of book materials. Also, we came up with this idea back when we were planning the last season. GRRM doesn't plan things out so neither should we. Of course everything made sense. Look at how subtle we are! We destroyed the symbol of Westerosi monarchy and replaced it with more monarchy...but we got some cool people sitting on that council. You gotta respect the cool kids table. All of our...your favorites are there.
Not even all of our favorites. Our favorites have been ruined and Brienne and Davos are "Meh" in the end.
GRRM doesn't plan things out......Hahahhhahhhh.....Yeah right......Seriously, FUCK D&D !!!
“They listened to ideas from other people.” That seems to contradict what they admitted in their last interview regarding the show... The fact that they admitted seeing, “no value,” in listening to fan opinions of the show or hiring anyone else to write for the show speaks volumes on their asinine choices. If they had bothered to listen to anyone else, they probably would have been reminded of the various plot holes they presented and never completed. Or maybe they should have taken up HBO’s multiple offers to pay for more episodes/ seasons and a writing TEAM so that they could focus on other projects and it not effect the outcome of the show. They could have easily spent more time developing Deanery’s flip into madness. I think fans are so angry because the more we learn about the final season, the more we discover that D&D were given multiple chances of help from HBO- they were literally throwing money at them by Season 7- but D&D didn’t want anyone else to get credit for their work. So, they refused help at every turn. They refused to hear feedback from anyone involved with production and refused to give the reins over to someone else- even though they were both over the show. This could have all been prevented, and we could have gotten an ending worthy of the endeavors they set out to depict...but their ego’s got in the way.
Hope it truely affects their credibility.
They're gonna need to start small again. Anything with their name is garbage to me at this time
this paragraph was better writing than season 5 - 8
@@Tipzyyy at this point twilight was a better love story than season 8
The actors & crew: praising D&D, & saying no one else could have directed the final ep.
Me: Jesus, are they holding a gun on you?!
They just understand the industry.
More like they were threatened by a fleet of star destroyers. Y’know, since 2D were about to start working on Star - oh wait. Thank the maker. That’s not going to happen anymore.
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Lol
HBO snipers
clearly
it is so obvious, the actors were forced to say good stuff about the last season..at least at that time....now they're slowly saying more and more what they're really thinking....probably the contract that forced them to shut up is over soon/ending
Just hearing their voices, seeing that scene, I get so fucking angry I can’t even play the clip. Ya know I feel like I’m completely over it and then I see this and it’s May all over again!
The fact they're admitting this was all of their idea and not an outline by GRRM for all of this (except Bran being King) makes this both worse and also makes more sense.
And somehow I doubt they decided on all of this at S3. Probably the same time they made their decision about Arya.
It was all clearly rushed, not properly planned and that is indeed trademark DD.
They did not run out of source material. They skipped 1 and a half books. Period.
@@tupimpacaterpillar3516 I gotcha. I was talking about source material they had and didnt use. You ate right, of course, that source material ran out due to the series not being finished. 😊
@@tupimpacaterpillar3516 I know that George had fully expected to be ahead or at least caught up with the show and I understand they had a few points to go on.
However... they didn't admit fault to anything here. Nothing. They never will, either. They are stating as fact that it was their brilliant idea "probably around season 3" to make significant changes to plots and character arcs because they liked a certain actor or thought it would make more exciting twists/shock. They've not taken any sort of criticism in person and made a decent response. They've repeatedly deflected to cast members instead or avoided altogether.
@@tupimpacaterpillar3516 So they're "Creators," but we can't call them out when what they created makes no sense and is patently absurd, because they ran out of source material? That's not a defense, it's an acknowledgment that they're creatively bankrupt, and can only make something good when they have an instruction manual and a LOT of talented help behind the scenes. And it's extremely arrogant of you to claim you understand the intentions for every character when multiple actors from the show have publicly stated that they don't know what their characters were doing after Season 4.
BTW, I'm sick of the "They ran out of source material" excuse, because that's a GROSS misrepresentation of the facts. The first four seasons (the good ones) were adapted from the first three books. They still had two full books of material, and burned through it in a single season. That should have sustained them for at least three more seasons, given that it includes an entirely separate Invasion of Westeros story arc that D&D completely ignored.
@@tupimpacaterpillar3516 Rhaegal's Death. Overlooking the "Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet" absurdity, overlooking the idea that she didn't leave any caretakers who could've alerted her to the ambush, ignoring how on a clear day like that she and her forces should've had 20+ miles of visibility to spot Euron's ships long before they did, and ignoring how Euron and his men could've hit Rhagal 3/3, when they had ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS TO PRACICE ANTI-AIR GUNNERY BEFOREHAND, the scene is so poorly constructed that it was, Literally, a physical impossibility. I'm serious, please follow along:
Those giant scorpions are effectively giant crossbows. Same projectile fired each time, same draw-length (power setting). The only way to get maximum projectile range is to fire at 45 degree angle relative to the ground (or in this case, the ocean). I did some math based on my estimates of the scorpion's size, base on the fact that the Euron actor is exactly six feet tall. That gave me a length for the scorpion of 15 feet, with the bolt head 10.6 feet above the deck at a 45 degree angle, which all looks kosher to my eye upon re-watching the scene.
Why is this important? Because, when Euron's forces fire their SECOND volley of bolts at Drogon, they arc up, level off at around the height Rhaegal was at when he was hit, then start falling back down not long after passing Dany's fleet. This proves that those weapons, AT BEST, barely had the range to hit Rhaegal FROM THE CLOSER FIRING LOCATION. They fired at Rhaegal from at least 500 feet Further away (based on my estimate that the ships are about 100 feet long). This proves that the shots that felled Rhaegal were fired from BEYOND THE WEAPONS RANGE.
Call this overly technical, but it's pertinent. Weiss said in the behind the scenes for episode 5 that the events depicted there were the direct result of this scene; Rhagal's death, and Missandei's capture and subsequent murder. Therefore, Rhagal's death scene had to make sense in order to form the basis for EVERY SUBSEQUENT EVENT. Instead, it is so poorly conceived and executed as to not only be nonsensical, but to defy the laws of physics.
P.S., I notice that you didn't address the fact that they burned through 2 books in 1 season. Funny how I've yet to hear anyone express any kind of argument in defense of that decision, coherent or otherwise.
I wish D&D would of gone to comic con, so I could see those Daenery fans end them.
Just haul 'em out to the car park and let Drogon reduce their limousines to amusing puddles of molten slag before given them a good long blast of basting death breath!
🔥🐲
D&D might just make someone actually go mad
Seth Rogen destroyed them at comic con I think 2019
They didn't realize that there'd be a lot of residual drama after killing Dany? WTF?!?!? PS- thank you for continuing to point out the foolishness. How deep this rabbit hole goes...
Dany deserved to die. She was a tyrant and she was going to conquer the world. She deserved death
The final episode was so horrible because Benioff and Weiss used it as an opportunity for them to learn on the job about film making, these clowns had no idea what they were doing as showrunners, writers, or especially as directors! A real showrunner would have tasked the series very best director with it or planned it out methodically shot by shot before shooting it, not used it as an opportunity for them to use it as film school! I heard that they had to pull the budget from other episodes in Season 8 to put toward episode 6 because Douche & Douche had not planned it out correctly and overshot everything trying to figure out what they needed. Vince Gilligan was able to pull off directing the final episode of Breaking Bad himself, but he is on a whole other level than Douche & Douche (aka Benioff and Weiss) because he actually knew his characters motivations. And also Vince Gilligan did not predetermine the ending of the show 6 years before it actually ended (or 3 years depending on if you believe D&D's bull story), he actually worked with the writers, producers, and ACTORS to organically write and end the show with the proper momentum, style, and completeness it deserved as the show progressed through its natural life cycle. One other thing, you can totally read the BS on Benioff and Weiss in these interviews, they are not being truthful when they explain how they came up with story, they are shifty dishonest people, especially Benioff, you can see it in his eyes and how he holds his head tilted and angled...total lying plagiarizing POS, sorry man, had to say it, we know how he copied that Arya knife trick from a couple other shows too, totally un-original and lame scene--the Night King would have crushed her little neck the moment he grabbed her too. I feel bad for how much they disrespected GRRM and the fans, HBO, the crew, the actors.
Tyler D. It became hard to hide how he struggles to maintain eye contact when he’s lying.
They were bathing in ego glory is what happened
I really can't stand listening to these 2, it's painful.
Nailed it.
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I could never bear to listen to their maundering.
"Fun way to end the series." What??? Its supposed to be bittersweet. But they went with "fun."
And how the hell was it fun?
Lol!
Ironic, they went for the "sweet" in bittersweet but got the "bitter" instead.
it was just Bitter, nothing sweet about THAT ENDING !
Bitter depressing ending
You know what the worst part of Season 8 is?
It's not the plot holes. It's not the final fates of each character being unearned & unjustified. It's not the visible cutting of corners in both the storytelling and the cinematography - leading to situations like the Starbucks cup. It's not entire characters being ruined just to force certain outcomes to happen. It's not the cast basically being as devastated as the fans were at the outcome of this season. It's not even that the season was just... bad
The worst part is that D&D fucked this off _on purpose._
What I mean is... there have been bad endings in media before. Lost, Mass Effect 3, The Sopranos, the final Star Wars trilogy, etc. And they've all had their various outrages and postmortems. But one thing you can't say about each of those is that the creative leads didn't try. Everyone has their own idea on what makes a good story & how to end it. Sometimes, the creative vision doesn't match that of fans' expectations. And that's fine. But they were all trying to make the best piece of art they could. They wanted these things - the works of art they've dedicated whole portions of their lives to, and invested millions of dollars into - to be as good as any other classic piece of media. And it didn't work out. It happens.
With GoT... D&D were over it and just stopped caring. And you can see their lack of care throughout Season 8. Now, this isn't the first time creative leads stopped caring about the works they were in charge of. But that's why you usually have teams of writers; so that if the original creative leads stopped actively caring, you can have them fuck off to other things and promote someone on the writing team to keep the continuity going. D&D, on the other hand, were just too selfish to see anyone else's name on this project but theirs - even though they were increasingly ambivalent to even running the show.
So they fucked it off. Not because they thought this was the best way the story should end. Not because they wanted to make something good. And not because they had some sort of conflict with the network - hell, HBO did everything they could to save this.
But simply because D&D thought they had better shit to do & wanted to speed things up so they could fuck up Star Wars & make a fanfiction about the Confederacy.
I wouldn't believe it if it wasn't so predictable because they're Narcissists: that paradox that they simultaneously don't want to do actual work, are even bored with it...but at the same time get annoyed if people don't gush over how they're the best thing ever. They want to be praised for no effort.
Agree. I can respects failed endings if writers did it with good intentions and effort. Artists have their own versions on how things should end and there is nothing wrong with staying true to it.
Lmao, funny how I read the exact same comment, word by word, on another GOT S8 video.
Why don't people give credit when they steal stuff?
@@zinetx Yeah, I know the video you're talking about: The "Inside the Episode" for S8E5. And you wanna know why it's word for word?
Because I wrote both comments, first this one & copied it to that video, you fucking idiot. It literally says it's a copypasta from this video _in the comment._ I gave credit _to myself,_ because this is the original.
D&D wanted all the credits, so they could sign the biggest contract. It was all about money.
This was painful. They put it amongst the 30 minutes of set design talk to try and dilute it and make it less harmful, and here you go making a supercut of pure cringe! OMFG THERE'S STILL 4 MINUTES LEFT!!!
Seconded. This hurts to watch.
Ha. I paused at the same point... To say the same thing...
Also, what's this bs dig at George about him not really knowing where he wants the story to go... He's ALWAYS said he knows *generally where the story IS going... Just not exactly all the roads he's taking to get there... THAT really made me mad!
@@adrianreinstein1154 haven't you noticed in 2019 that you are not able to build yourself or anyone else up unless you tear down another individual?
I've paused at the same time 🤣
Those poor actors having to spin this. And listening to D&D talk boils my blood. Is this video gonna be a reddit thread? Im so ready to have ppl know abt these two.
Thanks for posting this. I don't think we'll ever get the "real" story about what happened with Season 8, but it seems D&D needed help. Since money is no object and GOT is the most popular show on TV, they could have easily hired some of the best tv writers in Los Angeles (Mazin, Espenson, Gilligan, Waller-Bridge) and had a six week room to beat out the final six episodes. How amazing would that have been? TV is a team effort. One doesn't need to have all of the answers. One just needs to be humble enough to recognize their own failings and ask for assistance. With that said, thanks Dragon Demands. Your videos are interesting and instructive. A good tutorial for writers looking to avoid pissing off their audiences. Keep it up.
“Duty is the death of love.” Duty for watching this show deteriorate before my eyes out of my original love for this show is the ultimate tragedy
I always knew they made the Mad Queen bullshit and Jon kills Dany stuff up. Now I can read the books again without hating George. I wish I had seen this video sooner...
Lara Fuchs please share it everywhere
If Daenerys just ends up like a genocidal maniac just because of her genes, that would be the most idiotic pessimist story ever. If Daenerys turns "bad" it should be due to her lust for power. Everyone around her losing faith in her for actual reasons. Even if that happens she still won't murder innocent women and children after winning a battle. I do have a feeling that she won't end up well if she gets on the Iron Throne though.
I believe they made it up because GRRM said Daenerys, Jon, Bran, Arya and Tyrion are the characters that will for sure survive
"We thought that would be a really fun group of people, for him to be making those repairs with." (about Tyrion and small council)
Yeah no shit, if your thought process begins and ends with what would be a fun group of people, then no wonder your small council will end up populated by people with no expertise, no accomplishments, and no real reason to be there.
dragonmcmx they’re also the actors who are friendliest with D&D. Liam Cunningham but not Gemma Whelan.
@@thedragondemands5186 In that case Sophie Turner must be REALLY FRIENDLY with them for her to get The Queen in the North title and steal Arya's plotlines.....
I applaud you for this supercut. Your video is also a testament to the stupidity of those people who decided to hide these comments among other behind the scenes-documentaries - in the age of RUclips, trying to hide information in that manner is pure idiocy.
I don't like to single individual people out when movies or tv shows go bad, but good God, these two really shat the bed. If they're telling the truth - which they definitely aren't - and they really did figure everything out in season three, then that makes it even worse, because they had three or four years to get everything right and just couldn't do it.
I think my favorite part of this is when they admit they didn't actually think about what happens AFTER the dragon melts the symbolism. They "didn't realize how much residual drama there was left". I just...
"Didn't realize how much residual drama there was left."
They've been planning this allegedly since 2013, had TWO YEARS to work on JUST this season, and it never occurred to them. After nearly a decade of working on this show, when more or less the only constant has been that there is ALWAYS collateral damage, ALWAYS pieces to be picked up, ALWAYS consequences, and nothing is EVER wrapped up in a neat little package, they *didn't realize how much residual drama there was left.*
Every single time they mention something they came up with themselves or "figured out", it's always "around season 3". Season 3 ended with the Red Wedding. It was their moment of triumph. "We came up with these ideas when everyone loved us, therefore they have to be as good as whatever was written during that time."
CaroofChaeronea36 it was actually in the break between writing seasons 3 and 4
the best moments in the show were always their adaption of George's source material. Even the writing was worse from the get go when they didn't use George's wording verbatim. It was all 'finger in the bum' and silly childish humour that just seemed out of place. Euron breaking the 4th wall in S08 'i'm the man that killed Jaime Lannister'....like wtf was that
If "they" knew since season 3 that's where "they" were going to go then why in the Seven Hells didn't "they" set it up properly so it was a logical conclusion instead of an out pf nowhere "shock factor" scene? 🤔 Also, if they knew in 2016 they were going to have Arya kill Night King then why did they invest so much time in setting Jon up as the one who was going to do it? The Night King doesn't even exist in the books (GRRM has said that the Night's King is only a historical figure)
Ser David of house Friedman & Ser Daniel of house Weiss, I name you liars!
I must admit i did have a smile on my face when Arya killed the night king, I knew that jons fans would be up in arms. Also when jon kill his queen , his fans expected him to be made king, only for jon to be sent to the wall and to never father any children again. What a disappointing end for Jon, reduced to "she my queen, Donny's ma queen, I don't want it". I don't expect Arya or jon to kill the night king if we see him in the books, Danys Azor ahai and that obvious for everyone to see.
@pyropulse A part of me enjoyed Arya killing the night king because I knew it would piss off Jon snowflake fans, but I agree the writing was terrible and it didn't make sense for Arya to kill him. As For Dany being Azor ahai, that's pretty much confirmed in the books, I don't remember Jon waking dragons from stone do you???
2016 would have been the shooting of Season 7. DD has done videos basically bringing a theory that S8 was probably going to be very different, but the writers decided late in the game to change it. I buy that theory, there's evidence that makes it feasible (Cersei miscarriage scene cut, other cuts, the Daenerys/Jon baby foreshadowing that went nowhere after Wiess basically commented indicating it would happen...)
So I think the books will be very different. Bran may end up king, but everything else will probably be quite different.
@@tupimpacaterpillar3516 that is not subversive, it is bad writing. The Red Wedding is not subversive because the story tells you Robb is gonna win, you assume he is, because that is what always happens in legends, the son avanging the father, but at any moment the narrative of asoiaf leads you to think Robb is gonna win. There, a subversion. What you are calling subversion is actually misleading writing, pulling the surprise out of leaving false or not enough clues. That's bad writing. Cheap writing devices.
@@tupimpacaterpillar3516 STFU you Jamie fuckboy, Human threat, WTF do you know about Game of thrones?, maybe asks the slaves of meereen which Dany liberated. This causal show fans loves talks shit all the time, with his poor Strawman argument with no evidence or foreshadowing 😀😀😀
And supposedly Martin and Benioff and Weiss fell out of each other's company after a lot egotism where D and D wanted Martin to dictate the books the way they wanted.
GRRM might, in fact, have told them more about the ending than Bran being King BUT DnD surely elected to ignore it. Why? Between season 7 leaking online, their stupid desire of providing the audiences with a twist- pay off as big as the red wedding and their overall biased incompetence, they miscalculated. It is not as much as they trying to take credit to something that GRRM came up with, but they actually trying to convince themselves that Game of Thrones was nor Martin´s story anymore, but theirs. This is they telling us they are geniuses.
telling that THEY KNEW the implications and possible reactions. They say they knew they would not be giving the audiences what they wanted...and they called Daenerys a revolutionary.
So, Zizek was right in his conclusion: this became a tale about how Elites knows better and how popular revolutions are bad.
This is Benioff coming out to his daddy as a republican if you will. " I just pretended to be a Hollywood liberal, dad. I played them, daddy! "
I think Dumb & Dumber woke up one day from their ivory towers and realise they were attacking the very establishment which gave them everything. The slave masters represent the U.S oligarchs, D&D had to shut that thought process Down ASAP. Revolution is bad , challenging the establishment is bad =Dragon lady bad.
@@aryasuperstark9599 pretty much yeah. Explains also why they are comfortable with Princess Brexit brand of feminism a.ka rape makes women stronger.
@@PriscilaTV1 I believe Zizek said "Daenery turn was the fantasy of a misogynist" . Considering Zizek qualifications and the amount of women who had a problem with it, who am I to argue against his assessment.
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Tbf GRRM started to waver first, probably because of the invasion of Iraq.
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Zizek may be a creep.
But he was right about this.
I feel like George did tell them where everyone ends up but they don’t really want to say it. They probably wanted the credit of deciding where each character ends up. They obviously didn’t know how bad the season would turn out when they were giving these after episode discussions.
Sinnoboy0000 Or perhaps Mr. Martin has not been honest enough in one of his many personal appearances (that keep him too busy to finish the last two books) to exonerate Mr. Benioff and Mr. Weiss from any 'wrongdoing' , because he does not want to share the blame.
😂😂😂D&D just admitted that they do NOT know who lives, and who dies. And then they LITERALLY just admitted that Daenerys' and Jon's last scene is something that THEY (NOT George) MADE UP.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
G.RR Martinis supposed to have given them the names of the five characters who survive until the end: Bran, Arya; Tyrion; Daenerys and Jon
@@enzonicolas7501 besides they threw out that subplot here Daenerys was gonna wind up pregnant with the talk in season 7
"We went through a number of different versions of how to best take advantage of this tension, and we finally landed on the version we had."
Really? The best version that took advantage of the tension of 2 main characters being prisoners with their lives in danger is the version where they are set free and reinstated with no effort, no trial, and one of them even gets to chose the new king?
These guys cannot be for real. They just can't. They know it's bad and are taking the piss. That's the only logical explanation for this fuckery.
Personally, I believe D&D claiming Bran will be "the final king" (as in: king of Westeros) was something they were told by GRRM is another load of bullshit. They did it in the past too, hiding behind "oh, but GRRM told us!" and then ripping it out of context completely (see the Sansa rape. Yes, GRRM wrote that storyline, but it happened to a completely different character under different circumstances). Bran has zero connections to the Iron Throne. His whole storyline is about the North. He was born a North, he is technically the Lord of Winterfell. No character has travelled as far North as he did, and he is about to uncover all the secrets of the North. And you are telling me he is going to become the king of the SOUTH? Apart from that, I don't even think there will be an Iron Throne in the end. I can see him in an advisor position like Bloodraven was. Or maybe become the king in the North. But Bran king of Westeros is another ripped-out-of-context fantasy produced by these two hax.
exactly
I can see why this wasn’t officially uploaded by the Game of Thrones RUclips channel.
However, thank *you* so much for uploading this.
You're amazing Dude! This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. Say what you want about Season 8, but I love how they always gave you a look into the minds of Benioff & Weiss and lets us see how they came to make certain decisions. Thanks man!
That's true, they're such idiots that listening to their absurd logic is hilarious and devastating that HBO let these two morons to continue
I called this long ago. Jon killing Dany is coming from them not George.
My headcanon is that Dany will go east with Drogon. They'll be looking for more dragons.
I know that people said they believed D&D didn't care but here's the thing: I actually think it goes a little beyond not caring - I think they liked being in charge.
There is an interview where they talk about Sir Barristans exit where they talk about how the actor (A big fan of the books) had written them a letter explaining why Sir Barristan should stay (because he was still in the books and killing him off created narrative holes) and D&D stated that this just made them want to kill him off even more.
Jaime Lannisters actor also said that from season 5 onwards, he started quizzing them about narrative choices about Jaime and what he was doing, and they told him to just shut up and read the lines. Peter Dinklage went on record saying the crypt scene was stupid in an interview, Emilia Clarke said she felt Dany's turn was nonsensical... Vary's actor also expressed annoyance at how he was killed off...
The thing is, these actors all cared, and I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to assume that behind the scenes they were probably pissed off beyond all doubt with what D&D were doing in season 8.
The thing is, when you look at scenes in seasons 1, 2 and 3, there are a lot of scenes that weren't in the book (like that scene with Robert and Cersei) and were written by D&D, and they're great. That says to me they can write great scenes with great dialogue when they want to.
However, in Season 8... the whole thing is either boring, stupid, or disrespectful to the source material. There's so few actual good moments, and certain lines - that line for example about Jaime not caring about the innocences - that is a line that they could have cut so easily. Yet they threw it in there, and it completely massacres Jaimes character. I can imagine the actor trying desperately to stop them from putting it in the show based on what he's said in interviews and he obviously didn't win out even though he could have made a great argument that it completely destroys his character. The fact that line made the cut is baffling to me.
The conclusion? I can't help but feel like they did that on purpose - and the sheer amount of times they pulled some awful narrative and dialogue choices made me feel like this went beyond not caring. I think they let feuds behind the scenes impact the writing. For me, it's the only explanation because even if they weren't getting any writers on board, they clearly had some feedback when doing this from the actors and they chose to ignore all of it.
It wasn't lack of care - it was sabotage.
Yes, we can even cite several examples for Lena Headey where we know they added dialogue to react to things she disagreed with behind the scenes.
What I believe from all I've seen and heard is that if you sh*t on D&D, they gonna sh*t back on you so hard it would scare other actors to do so, as they see themselves as Gods and the only reason GoT is good.
They were tyrants and they psychologically abused everyone around them.
They look like teenagers who couldn't pass pre-school, emotionally.
Talking about stories, I've heard they told Sophie, the real life person playing Sansa, that after her storyline with Joffrey, she would get a romance next season. [I don't remember the exact phrasing]
That romance was Ramsay Bolton...
How would you feel being that girl, having all your hopes high up for next year, to eventually find out about what it implies ?
I'd be intimidated by their twisted sense of humor...
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Actors used to be considered to be on the same level as prostitutes. They still should be.
It is stroking my curiosity. It does imply they the whole Daenerys, Jon and Throne even Tyrion- so really the whole 'ending act' was their own ideas. With only the King being Bran coming from GRRM. So if that is the case it does potential mean the books will be quite different.
I think they're lying
They knew that Bran being king was going to be controversial so they told us that was from Martin so they couldn’t get the blame. They thought the whole Jon and Daenerys and throne was going to be a masterpiece so they made it out like it was themselves that came up with it, when really it all came from Martin and they just stuffed it up themselves. Cowards.
Even if it's true - the whole bran the broken thing was Geroges ides AT THE TIME. Who know what he has changed by now
@@thedragondemands5186 I dont think I am that settled on it because the John, Dany and Tyrion were terrible arc and executed poorly. Combined with them all being woefully more cliche then GRRM writing. Have to see what the books do
@@MVFCFIFAOnlineClub We will have to see but Jon, Tyrion and Dany arcs in the show were quite amaterishly cliched. They seem far more cliched, event Jaime then GRRM writing.
Well, I was hoping to get clarification on the Tyrion and Jon scene, but it was good to finally see this video.
Thank you for all the work you put in to show these two for the fraudsters and scam artists they are. I can see Bran being the king but not the way it was set up in the show. Which is what’s had me so angry.
GRRM stopped watching the show a while ago and I guess we now know the reason why. At least the people who read the books will be satisfied when they eventually come out.
And what was the bullshit about things having ‘an end’??! It’s supposed to be a fantasy drama based in reality. I could bet my house GRRM won’t have a conclusive end to the books. It has to be open ended about the future of that world. It’s not a fairy tale! It’s not about the happily ever afters. Go watch Disney if that’s what you’re looking for!
So in the last book, House Targaryen will end up like that? Exiled... with only one member? The prophecies... people died for them. People lost too much for them. Aerys I, Aegon V, Rhaegar Targaryen... I'm ending this year with that bitterness... but we will wait. Justice will be served.
There won't be a last book.
So all Targaryen restorations can happily imagine that that's the ending.
5:44 yeah like at least two to four episodes worth of stuff needed to be resolved after Dany's death and if you were logically consistent, Grey Worm would have executed Jon the moment he knew Jon had killed her.
I fell out of love so hard with the show after season 4 ended that i havent even been back to reread the books since then, think its long overdue to begin again and remind myself that there is a man who does this story justice, and its the man who fucking created it. holloywood should never trust these two absolutely egocentric hacks with anything beloved to people again, looking forward to seeing just how badly they butcher lovecraft
There are no words- but wait, I shall pen a few...Dragon flying away with dany's body was the climate of the show. Didn't realize what residual drama was left? wait, what???!! it's called the Game of Thrones, not my ride with a Dragon! And my god, we've known since S3- STOP. You are not genius writers that had everything mapped out. GOT fans are smarter than YOU two bozos. Now, I understand completely why HBO pulled the inside the episode- they did not want more fan backlash called UNSUBSCRIBE.
I could only watch 3 minutes of this, it was causing my eye to twitch so much , It's given me a headache.
Hmm benioff "IT WAS AROUND SEASON 3 THAT THINGS STARTED TO MAKE SENSE TO US" explains why it stopped making sense to me in season 4!!!
I don't mind the show becoming something different from the books at all, or the showrunners making major decisions on their own...if they were competent. So I don't think that's a fair criticism by itself.
But all of that "we didn't realize how there would be more story after Dany died" "we didn't realize how hard it would be to shoot this (relatively simple) scene" "we didn't realize that Jon and Tyrion would have to face consequences for their actions" stuff...oh my lord. Wtf.
We might say that "they kind of forgot...".
Daenerys Targaryen’s character assassination is the biggest crime of the decade
When I read all the books (all completed) and read part where bran falls himself as “bran the broken”! I giggled and wondered if DB took literally what was a mockery of Bran and weirdly made it a “complement”
SAME omg!!!
Maisie said it right. They created "this madness". It is madness to have such a killer source material and ruin it the way they did. It was supposed to be the modern myth for our generation. Now every time I think about this MADNESS I cringe and die a little inside.
Rarely hear mention of Sam's story arc; he was shut down as fast as the NK:/
I hate them even more now
Justice for Daenerys
There's a lot more characters that deserve justice. lol Dany is far from the only character they screwed up!
@@bastard1377 True but she is the biggest failure/messed up
Thanks so much for sharing this
"They 'listen' to everybody?" So ... no one told them that season 8 had no logic, no charisma & gave no satisfaction? Now I understand why GRRM took his hands off the wheel of this train wreck.
Hana Mottley her exact words were “they always listen to your ideas - not that they always accept them”
D&D can't keep their own freakin' word. I will never get over how they told us that they would not tell us what events were confirmed by GRRM to keep book readers in suspense. I appreciated that as I didn't want to know if Jon killing Dany, or Bran becoming king would be in the books.
But then they release that Iasaac Hempstead Wright interview, from HBO's blog, in which he admits that Bran becoming King came from GRRM because D&D told him. First, why did they need to tell the actor? He didn't need to know that. Most of the actors have not read the books. & have expressed little to no interest in reading them.
Second, the interview is from HBO's blog so D&D could have easily retracted that info for book fans before publishing. But they didn't. And then they go and confirm it again, in this bonus clip. They have zero respect for book readers, zero respect for their audience.
I think the Brandon becomes King( of what or who exactly? ) is the only thing Martin told those two trolls. Everyone screaming and saying Dany becoming Mad or a Tyrant is what, Martin told them is bullshit. The only one he told them was Bran, so I don't believe Danys character will end like she did in the show!
@@WrathDrago I hear you. I hope you are right about Dany, but it doesn't change the fact that years ago, right before the show surpassed the books, D&D promised not to confirm or deny what came from Martin and what didn't. They reiterated multiple times, over and over. Including right before S08 aired. And they broke their fucking promise every time. They should have never told us about Bran, they should have just let us wonder, not be sure, leave fucking doubt. I know there is doubt as to what kind of King Bran will be but it would have been more mysterious if there was doubt if he'd actually be king at all. They got ZERO respect for the book fans.
@@Mic-Mak Playing favourties with certian characters and actors I believe.
Yay they totally pissed on Martins lore, have no respect for House Targayren, The Others and characters in general.
Read they played a lot of favorites with certain cast. Sacrificed certain characters for their favorites. Writing EmMy bAiTiNg scenes for certain characters.
If Bran becomes King in the books it will be King in the North , which actually makes sense in the books. He is Robb's rightful heir....only people think he's dead...for now...Anyway no way is Sansa getting any kind of thrones in the books...she'll stay in the Vale
The throne did not magically cause people to fight for it.
There is a material basis for social power.
That is the problem with them. A fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of personalities
Theyre not even great at adapting you could take almost any scene from the book and give it great acting music and production value and itd be compelling to watch. These mugs let their ego ruin one of the best shows of all time
D&D most certainly deserve each other.
I can see why HBO initially pulled this
Specifically which parts do you think made them?
@@thedragondemands5186 I'd say it was a combination of their incoherent rambling and getting their timelines confused coupled with Kit's obvious disappointment with the NK storyline.
Big boot says GO AWAY, I'm eating I think Kit sounded like he was being upbeat; but yeah the incoherent timelines....WITHIN THE SAME VIDEO. I didn’t even need to make a contrast montage with clips from other videos: I just ran all their clips from this one video, in order.
Why do they care about it being a fun group of people for Tyrion to work with? They have have like two scenes together, why not go with what makes sense?
Samwell being Grand Maester makes no sense on so many levels. He's still a sworn brother of the Night's Watch, which apparently still exists, so his duty is to be on the Wall. Even if he weren't, maesters are sworn to celibacy, too, so his relationship with Gilly is still taboo. And most of all, the Grand Maester is appointed by the council of archmaesters in the Citadel to be their representative in King's Landing. It beggars belief that they would appoint Sam when he hasn't even finished his training, and not an experienced maester of their own circle.
@@TheNoybusiness and he robbed the citadel blind for no apparent reason
Fuck Tyrion. He sent his brother to die with their abusive, toxic sister and HE got to live. I wish Grey Worm would have slit his throat in front of that ridiculous panel in the Dragonpit. At least it would have shut Tyrion up.
Their egos made them think the show was becoming a different beast than the books, and they decided to shorten the story, so they took it upon themselves to finish the story on their terms. George didn't like this and slowly moved away from the series.
THIS is why it turned out to be a shit show.
They signed a huge deal with Disney for a Star Wars series that’s why the shortened the show there’s footage of GRRM at the finale press junket that there was enough story for like 10 seasons but ironically they got fired from that
While watching this, I was wondering, why wasn't Jon Snow with Tyrion in front of those people? Why was he off screen while everything was being decided?
If they made the decision to have it be Arya why not drop hints? Or were you saying by the time they made the decision it wasn't enough time for hints?
I don’t think I can ever watch GOT again, and this just secures it. How can the actors defend this dumpster fire?? I kept hearing We, WE CAME UP WITH..what on earth??
Emily York just....they really don’t conceptually understand that every time they say that, it’s admitting it’s not the real ending of the books
I used to do a rewatch after the current season ended. Not anymore. :/
Just finished watching the episode, till now I have been the defender of this series because I I like even the fifth episode but after watching this one I am having second thoughts and you agree the season and very badly
I am watching this again due to a recommendation in your latest video about the archived WGA script that shows that Dany's end was changed drastically.
It seems to me when these men discuss what they think is the climax of the show: i.e. Dany's dead body being carried away by Drogon, watched by a confused Jon Snow, that if they had any inkling of how Martin would end the series that would be it. That would be a very Martin style ending, no explanation, no "six months later" no trial or king. Just end with that.
But I am by no means saying this is the end that Martin told them. Even this video shows that this is an ending that *they* came up with, and it is not the ending Martin has envisioned. The point I am making is that their grasp of the source material and the author's mind is so poor, that they couldn't even get it right accidentally, they come up with a very Martin like ending but then they have to tack on more stuff and pad the ending with pointless long shots of Tyrion arranging chairs.
I am not saying that an ending where it ends with Drogon flying away isn't a good ending, I am saying that it is more in line with Martin's style. Look at Dying of the Light or A Song for Lya or many other stories. You don't really know what happens after Martin fades to black, but it raises interesting questions.
Thank you for reigniting THE RAGE in me.. 🔥🔥🔥 Il never be able to calm myself down to what happened here 🙅♂️
Damn dude... Great work. This is like, Inside "Inside the Episode." Lol
I never thought I would support D&D BUT I think they were trying to cover what George plans to do. I appreciate that versus blaming him for Shireen for example
Rereading the books, I SMH at how much is wasted. There's a prophecy from Maggy the Frog about Sansa "slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow".
So again I have to ask, did these actors EVER read the books? Read more than just their characters parts? If they did, they wouldn't just take D&D's word on things & they would've fought harder (I'd like to believe) for the integrity of their characters & the storylines.
Ugh, such wasted potential. All of it. 🙃
This was absolutely painful
Hi, I was wondering if you could post the full featurette including the production parts because HBO blocked out and eventually deleted the 6th episode when it came out 3 years ago and since then no one has been able to find it, it's no even on their RUclips channel
A great deal of people haven't watched the series on Blu-Ray but it's one of the most important game revealed and I'm sure a lot of people are interested in seeing it, and you're the only video I was able to find that has moments from it!
They never released it online in the first place. They did release it on the Blu Ray. I made notes on the production parts and put them in the wiki. These are all the Benioff & Weiss parts. You can tell it was intended to be the Inside the Episode interview, but they never released it, then just re-cut it with other production stuff.
Do you have links to the set reports and D&D statements, I’d love to read them
Why is this commentary only available on DVD instead of screaming? I didn't think people still have DVDs I thought they were obsolete by now!
Excellent video and points!
Dany starting from nothing, scraping and clawing her way to the top, defending the innocent and freeing slaves...then being murdered after going crazy..is the climax of the show? What the fuck?!?!?
Emily York no, it’s the climactic big Emmy baiting scene they blew all of their production time on
i feel like i had a stroke and thought I had loop on
I did that to highlight how they contradict themselves in the same episode
I thought by clicking on this video that I was just gonna see a supercut of the behind the scenes of this episode without any sort of opinion hovering over it but I guess I was wrong. Obviously, being a devoted fan of Game of Thrones and understanding the minds of these two showrunners will always make me look at how others pile over Dan and David with rejection and judgement as bullshit.
Sad. I wonder when this bullshit will this end?
D&D aside but Maisie herself is also kind of flip flopping. Here, saying it is great she got to kill the Night King and after the episode aired she said, she felt conflicted in an interview. Why can't they be honest for once?
I think she wavers.
I mean it's pretty cool to get that kill but clearly it shouldn't have been Arya's kill.
Bear in mind that she and Sophie Turner were kids when they started the job. It's hard for them to slag off their bosses when GRRM himself refuses to do so.
Give them all 20 years and see what they say then.... ;-)
Dude we get it, they use “we”, no need to mention it every two seconds
What he fails to tell everyone, is that "WE" included Martin, who slinked away and let Benioff and Weiss take all of the wrath.
"Broad strokes"...
Thanks for this. Now, please view this GRRM interview alongside:
ruclips.net/video/SjDentEr9c4/видео.html
I have 2 questions:
(1)Why, even *now,* is GRRM refusing to throw The Two Frauds under the bus? Or even utter a *breath* of criticism?
(2)In his interview, GRRM says he agreed "the major beats" with The Two Frauds. How on earth is Stannis not a "major beat"? How on earth is the existence (TV) or non-existence (books) of the Night King not a "major beat"?
On (1)_ before anyone says "Oh he can't speak, cos of money, and prequels", etc _ No: I don't buy that.
The Two Frauds are gone from HBO and ASOIAF-world (thank God), so no prob on the prequels.
And it is *NOT* true that writers simply fume in silence when screen adaptations don't please them: Stephen King was critical of Kubrick's film of "The Shining", and had no inhibitions about saying so publicly.
I'm not asking GRRM to crap on their heads (much though I would love that). There are plenty of ways to politely rebuke them.
Well anyway, you may all disagree, but that's my opinion.
Dragon Demands, thanks again for the video _ and all your work, though unfortunately I don't get time to see it all.
You've certainly been vindicated by how the TV series turned out, and I speak as someone who was prepared to defend it up to the end of Season 5.
all respect to your great efforts but E7 & E8 cannot be understandable, you cannot get mad and burn the city after surrounded, after everything Dani did to the slaves and to the cities she freed. Jon is not a traitor, he cannot kill his queen,beloved and aunt only because of one conversation with Tyrion or with Dani herself. The ends simply contradicts with the plot and with all story
Tony *"Stark",* Iron Man surprisingly flying in and killing Daenerys Targaryen would have “subvert expectations”.
I’m loosing my god damn mind with ever syllable that they speak. I think Weiss was having a stroke during this, like go back to when he’s talking about Dany being “above” everything and really fucking listen to what he’s saying cause it does not sound like coherent English
6:38 2031 rolls around, George is hospital bed bound and dictating the final chapters to a scribe, and if is finally revealed that Bran becomes King. Not of the North, not of the nonsense illogical Six Kingdoms. No he becomes the permanent king of the Lands of Ever Winter and of all that is beyond the remnants of the long since fallen wall.
I imagine Dany saw her army fleeing from the city in terror.
That is if she saw anything except smoke.
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Dani welcomes Dumb & Dumbers "First Order" they even Lie to their Actor's about the storyline.
They don't understand politics and philosophy in the real world. So how the hell are they gonna write a show about these themes?
Stick to what you know.
I can see they don't like revolutionaries, I wonder why? 🤔 Maybe because they are a threat to the Status Quo and we all know who benefies from his privilege position.
Arya killing the NK was so dumb and has no fucking sense.
Whatever I went to reddit, so I did my part!😉
If this was on the Season 8 Blu-Ray, then what was that Game of Thrones: The Last Watch" Documentary they released? I thought that was the "Episode Revealed" & "Inside the Episode" for the Season finally? Guess I was wrong. Lol
Why We Love Film no that was filmed by a documentary team and focused on the filming crew; it’s a separate video also from the Blu Ray
I still think that the seven kingdoms will dissolve into 8 or nine separate kingdoms but with much better international relations than before the conquest, there was so much stuff they cut out before they ran out of material that it would be impossible for them to create the same story on TV that George is telling, and that is before you factor in their bad story telling skills. While there may be individual pieces in the same position it will ultimately be an unrecognizable story
Beautiful
The ONLY way Bran could ever end up on the throne of the Seven Kingdoms would be if the Children of the forest use telepathic powers to influence people to a point where they could accept him. Thats it. There is no other way Bran could get the crown.
D&D will Pay for their Insolence and Disrespect!!!
Except unfortunately, they won't. I would love to be wrong, though.
"One of the things we really wanted to accomplish with this series was a story that felt like it had a beginning, a middle and an end."
Well...it sure did have a beginning and a middle.
I had to subscribe to reddit but so help me God this will be trending!
Luv you Dragon Demands always with the Truth