Archived WGA Script Confirms "Mad Queen Daenerys" is NOT the Real Ending - Game of Thrones (Intro)
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
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Exclusive report on the filming script for Game of Thrones Season 8 episode 5 "The Bells", officially archived at the Writer's Guild of America Foundation in Los Angeles, reveals that "Mad Queen Daenerys" WAS NOT the "Real Ending" that they were building towards for years...it isn't even what they originally intended for Season 8 itself. The final, on-screen version is significantly different from the filming script - explaining why Emilia Clarke's comments in other behind the scenes videos seem to be describing an episode that doesn't exist. It's because all she had to go on was the original filming script from the initial Season 8 table read back in October 2017. The showrunners hid the changes from Emilia Clarke.
We're through the looking glass people. Massive sense of vindication. I KNEW it couldn't be real, because premised on falsification of George's story and characters (not just Daenerys)
*Have you heard that we're building a fan army?*
Started out before Season 7 as "Rhaenyra's Army" - "we have to defend the prequels"....now I guess we're "Dragon Army" - we have to defend the Targaryens (who, by extension, are the main characters in EVERY prequel!!!)
@@thedragondemands5186 Dany burning King's Landing would've more sense if they would've included FAegon.
@@thedragondemands5186 I liked Rhaenyra's Army. But Dragon Army sounds cool too.
@@countbalerionofhousetatter2624 (shrug) we need to protect _all_ the prequels
Surely D&D are no longer respected as credible writers anymore, that shit was infuriating
I've never seen an entire team of actors look so unhappy at an awards ceremony.
it wasn't an awards show it was a post-finale reunion special
@@thedragondemands5186 ah of course. That is just as bad. I feel so bad for the actors as they are the ones who had to go along with all of this stupidity.
Yes it's very obvious they are miserable and cant say anything. Most likely because of contracts.
they look like theyre sad because its over. it doesnt seem like theyre angry just that a massive part of their life is now done, you get this especially with peter, who honest to god looks like hes holding back a dam.
Did you see the WTF? look on Emilia's face at the beginning? XD
I just love the fact that still after more than a year later, the GoT community still hates on S8 with a passion - I love it, we should never stop, these videos are like therapy
👏👏👏👏❤️
Right now beginning to watch Season 8 and ended with Season 7 yesterday
Probably regret it,but i 'll see.
Still struggling til today. I wish we could request a directors cut(whoever the they hire is okay) as long as we get a better S8. Should we make it like DC, request a Snyder cut for GOT, lol. I don't know.
I liked season 8. It had done exactly what all the other seasons did. It surprised me in ways I did not know a TV show could.
Mystery Death so what did you think? Have you finished it yet?
They could've ruined her career, but the public turned on them and embraced her.
They inspire no love or loyalty
@@thedragondemands5186 Is it better to be loved or feared? These two tried both. Think of what would have happened if Bernie Caufield wasn't there? She was definitely "the man" the real "showrunner". Carolyn Strauss should have slapped their hair off and sent them packing.
@@muffin6369 Great comments!.....
It's really angered me what the showrunners did. They ruined Daenerys and destroyed her character arc and killed off and they deceived Emilia Clarke.
If Terminator Genisys didn’t ruin her career, literally nothing will
They are very lucky Emilia is a sweet heart. Otherwise she would massacre them in social media, and we would love her for it.
She doesn't do that because she is a sweetheart, but because you get blacklisted in the industry that way. Even if you are 100% in the right, nobody likes a snitch.
Expect her to write a book about this whole shitshow when she's in her late 60s and doesn't give a fuck anymore. I hope I live long enough to read it.
Miles your both right . She would be black listed but she is also a sweetheart
Wish she’d record the truth on video and title the post Dracarys
@@nickc9070 YES.
One day, one of the actors is going to spill the beans.
it only takes one, to start the avalanche
Heck yeah. Look at examples like Sex and the City (where one of the main actresses hated working with the other ones) LOST (Dominic Monaghan didn't get along with Matthew Fox) everything that's come out with Glee and the knightmare Lea Michelle was on that set. It takes time but it will get out there.
@@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast The LOST stuff was known when the show was airing. And it was personal, nothing to do with the actual show.
They keep taking to Kit like trash in public, and it’ll be him. Maybe Rose Leslie. They did all these actors wrong.
Story 2 Screen Movie Review Podcast exactly right. Sarah Jessica always thought herself above the others, and the show put her on a pedestal. Kim always had the weirdest story lines, and the movies for her were awful. The supposed third movie was going to drag her thru the dirt as well, and she just refused to do it. Sarah Jessica would have been remodeling her apartment (guessing) and traveling, while Kim would have been having her breasts removed, taking crazy medications, losing her hair from cancer treatment, sleeping with random old guys right and left, screaming and ranting lousy about how horny and old she is, and getting sloppy wasted.
She had every right to put her foot down and call out her poor treatment.
I'm ready for some of these actors and actresses to break their silence. Particularly Peter Dinklage. He's been biting his tongue HARD!
well, for one he has this sense of gratitude to them because GoT got him to win in the Emmys and be recognized, otherwise, he will just be one of the so many actors who are not given a big break
@@anniepugeda1291 For now he has a sense of gratitude. It doesn't change what DND did to him, the crew, and the story they had all invested several years of their lives into acting out. Dinklage especially put some special fucking effort in, only to get fucked over as a character and made into a joke.
@@anniepugeda1291 Its probably worse for him, when a show goes bad a lot of the fans turn on the actors. This is certainly going to hurt his chances of landing good rolls in the future. D&D dangled a glorious opportunity in front of him only to snatch it away at the end. If it was me I would never forgive them.
Lol, they made him to be so dumb.
I think they have..I've heard rumors that some of the cast were on the Freefolk reddit bashing it alongside everyone else
Now knowing this time to look back at the shade she was throwing at them from your last video. This brings a whole new light to that video
I haven't finished posting clips from that commentary track!
@@thedragondemands5186 looking forward to it! ty for your work ♥
This makes me hate them even MORE. Horrible writers, horrible people. Daenerys AND Emilia deserved so much better
they did everyone dirty
Daenerys is not a real person
@FORREST GUMP Stannis was no king, and stannis ain't a main character like Daenery is, so nobody gave a damn
what's worse is Emilia fough a brain injury in order to continue doing the show. making the whole thing just that much more disgraceful
@FORREST GUMP yeah i can tell he's a normie from his comment. just watches the show for the ice zombies, dragons etc.
I love how they scrapped a plotline that made actual sense in favor of *BONG go mad*
I love how George RR Martin actually referred to the tv show as "licensed fan fiction"
Friendly reminder that he *hates* fanfiction. That was a big ass shade over there.
Ooh source?
@@lewisbean4250 i havent found a video of him specifically saying that but its implied that he had just said it before the vide0 started ruclips.net/video/u5g9-pfIImw/видео.html
Well he had no issue till they would not let him have lady stone heart so he left the shows writing and producing
Also George’s whole game of thrones is lord of the rings fanftiction Tolkien was like the first Person to write fantasy .
Cersei holding Kingslanding hostage with wildfire should have been a plot point during season 7. Only logical reason Danny would hold off on taking the capitol.
That shows how much they dont understand the central themes of the books
Why though? Dany's whole goal was the throne? She brought savage invaders across the sea to conquer westeros. How will that not result in innocents dying?
Bright Garinson innocents either way it’s called war for a reason
@@brightgarinson3099 I think you're right, yet highlights her youthful naivety. In the actual story, she's 13, so in her childish mind, she probably thinks that by her using the dothraki in open field, there would be no innocents dying off. She never thinks that their culture would prevail over her ideals and eventually, even if she won the throne without innocents really dying, they would still end up raiding and wrecking havoc in Westeros. They're nomadic war lords, their way of life involves roaming around and stealing things and raping villages, of course innocent civilians would be killed. But...the writers still suck
The fact that Dany didn't take KL with little to no bloodshed when she arrived on Dragonstone let me know the writers were BS. KL could have been taken in season 7. Season 8 should have been all about her solidifying her position in KL and then the fight in the North
This is terrible, for the showrunners to have Emilia Clarke be kept in the dark like this. I still remember that time a year ago when the show has just recently ended, how Emilia looked really tired and emotionally drained trying to explain and justify the decisions made for character, while D&D and others kept throwing her under the bus for stupid stuff like the Coffee Cup Gate. They should have had their actresses and actors' backs, and taken responsibility for their failures ! I felt so bad for her, like, I could tell Emilia really loved playing Daenerys, it was the role of her life and she brought this iconic character wonderfully to life on TV screen, contributing to this show's huge success.
I have a question: Do you think they only kept Daenerys' illogical burning of King's Landing from Emilia, and if yes for how long? I remember her saying that after reading the season 8 script, she was so shocked about what happens to her character and that she had to walk it off through the city for an hour. She also said Daenerys' final arc "f***d her up" and that she is heartbroken that people will remember her character like this. Could be that she's referring to Jon killing her and her having a faschist speech or something, though.
Part 2 directly addresses these questions
Kit Harington literally went into rehab after Game of Thrones. Some things were wrong on this set
@@Bllll957 Likely, not to mention the tremendous life-change that the end of an 8-year run would be in the best of scenarios for young actors who’ve largely built their careers on the gig. They didn’t need this shit. I think it’s a real possibility that we never know the full extent of what happened behind the scenes from the cast’s POV.
It’s like a cult of professional trade-silence. It’s often been considered a professional courtesy to keep issues in-house which has obviously been exploited by a lot of people to get away with some really heinous shit over the years, but even to a lesser extent earnest appraisals or comments from actors have been met with pushback from people in the industry.
The one example that comes to me off the top of my head is when Shia LaBeouf voiced his dissatisfaction with how the latest Indiana Jones film turned out, the rest of the cast and Spielberg lambasted him for it, with Harrison Ford saying something to the effect of “There’s a time to tell the truth and a time to sell used cars, and Shia was supposed to sell used cars.” Which is actually pretty ironic since that statement equates the film to a “used car” that needs its quality embellished. Guess the cat was out of the bag by that point.
Additionally, I think maybe the younger members of the cast might feel like they owe D&D a deal of loyalty for how the show boosted their careers - regardless of how much they might actually deserve it. I could totally understand that mindset even if I disagree with it. From off-hand comments we can piece together a general feel of how things went but I’d be interested to see something more in-depth come out eventually, an interview or something like that.
@CaptainJayOT Yeah but not Emilia. Emilia has done everything but outright side with the fans.
@CaptainJayOT Sophie Turner, for example.
this is annoying for so many reasons but mostly the fact that this ending would have been so much better. Dany accidentally causing extreme death and destruction makes for a way more complex and interesting story than just her "going insane"
Absolutely! And if she then realised that the wildfire explosion happened because of her father's previous plotting, that would have opened some incredibly possibilities for emotional reckoning. Of course, they'd have needed far more than one remaining episode to explore any of that...
I was just about to comment this! I wish they used this ending. Seeing Dany devastated and heartbroken by the damage she accidentally caused trying to defeat Cersi with Drogon, would have been so much better character development. D&D really screwed Emilia over.
@@patrickfitzgerald9616 EXACTLY.
It would have also been a cruel irony since it was the wildfire left behind by her father. She's basically finishing what he started. It would have also undone Jamie's sacrifice. But since D&D are a couple hacks, this would never have occurred to them.
that's what I thought was gonna happen but then she just started burning everything in sight. I was in shock (for the wrong reasons).
Thinking positively, maybe this pissed off GRRM so much that he’ll finish winds purely out of spite.
I hope so.
One can hope...!🤐
He just posted recently that it will take another year to complete WoW... You should start to get the pattern there, buddy, the end of the book series is still quite far away.
Kyrielsh1 One can dream.
@@Kyrielsh1 that a direct quote? He gave a recent update but I didn't hear about him saying a year
Dude there is nothing i can do to repay you for all the migraines you must've suffered while watching all this commentary. I just want to say thank you for being the most dedicated trooper i know.
I hated how they treated Emilia Clarke. She deserved better.
I definitely think the wildfire her father hid throughout the city being accidentally set off by her while trying to save this city is the true (and most poetic) ending for Dany; George has laid the groundwork for it throughout the books.
SAVE the city??? She only wants to rule, she devastated slaver’s bay beyond repair: she became a monster long before season 8. CRUCIFYING TEENAGERS
Edward she had no remorse for slavers and those who supported them, not insanely just killing because she can
Beautiful Rose she started off killing slavers so we did not speak out. Then when she started killing regular people, we realised she killed for fun
@@PwnZombie save the city from Cersei Lannister. Also, when did she crucify teenagers?
I agree; it would mean in end the madness that runs in her family does cause her downfall, just not through her turning mad.
Thanks for this! Now the nonsense that was S8 is becoming much clearer. Emilia really wasn’t playing Dany as crazy in that throne room scene since the dialogue came from an earlier script. What a mess! Poor Emilia
Am I the only one who doesn't see the point in her being mad just like her father. Like what was her journey worth? What's the arc? Targaryen's are intrinsically bad?
That's what I was wondering 😩 There's no point in writing a story about choices and consequences if you're just gonna blame "bad genes."
The show was rushed but the outcome would have been the same. She wanted the throne so bad it would have destroyed her like it did with everyone else. The problem is, people view her as the good guy. But even when it comes to the book, it has been stated many times, there is no good guys in the story. Just aracters thst have wants, make decisions, and suffer consequences.
@@phinsfan92 So there no good guys right, I think freeing millions of slaves in slaverbay is a good act, matter of fact I think Dany has saved more people than any other character in this story.
@@phinsfan92 I for one don't think Daenerys will turn bad in the books like she did in the show. She already has Euron Greyjoy in the books as direct mirror of what mad Dany looks like.
Nor do I think Jon will be as useless as he was during Season 8. D&D downplayed the importance of both character's arc (Daenerys&Jon) I guess their point was something like "The real evil is the PEOPLE not the magical stuff of the story" I see where they tried to go with it. The problem is that they failed miserably at doing so, and they could have chosen a different character for that purpose other than Daenerys. Or alas, let them use her just write her journey differently than they did. Let the impact of her own choices & desires crush her properly from the very START. But they did it in such a disrespectful way that obviously we all felt we were played from the very start just for SHOCK value. Just turning her bad because "omg look at her, she looked almost happy while Viserys was killed and didn't do a damn thing to stop it, look look this is important we will take this in season 8 after we show the exact opposite for most of the chapters, oh btw we won't EVER show her struggle with her madness (only one conversation here & there "I'm not my father bla bla", it will just explode from one moment to another because of all the pain she suffered. Listen fellows she had endured pain all her life and that didn't break her nor made her cruel. Hell, even Viserys had a better "going mad" character arc than her sister and he was there for what? Six chapters? Seven? There's no excuse for what they did. They decided to ignore everything they set early on and just write fanfiction in the end. "Daenerys kinda forgot about the iron fleet" hahaha let's never forget this. They were lazy fucking writers.
It was worth about as much as Jon's. Point of him being a Targaryen? None.
Just looking at how hurt Emilia Clarke looks with tears in her eyes just infuriates me again! Poor Dragon Queen. Loathe U D&D!
They gave the only ending that was ever going to happen. If she didn’t like it then that sucks but Daenerys was always a tyrant and it’s not the showrunner’s fault she couldn’t see it.
That's simp-thinking but completely justified in this case.
@@arielsteinsaltz1956 that doesn't mean it wasn't poorly done,
Eh, she wasnt. People should stop trying to sound smart by saying stupid shit like it.
I think they did it to piss off George. Ceresi is the going to be the Mad Queen in the books; she's insane and obsessed with fire. They had a significant falling out since he wasn't even consulted during the writing of the final season or the series finale.
Cersei's face when the tower of the hand is burned does worry Jaime as it reminds him of how the mad king looked when he burned men alive. Her story is going that way in future books.
@@Ravenicus absolutely. Stannis, Euron, Tyrell and Tarly, Griff and Young Griff. Anyone of those could have Cersei killed or banished when going for the iron throne. It was so contrived that she made it so far in the show. There's every chance she will be gone long before Daenerys arrives in Westeros.
CERSEI??? That would have been SO interesting, and consistent...Cersei would have gone down in history as one of the most incredible villains on TV. But nah, D&D's egos couldn't allow anybody else to write the script and some Dany haters had to have somebody go down on them.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I'm sure Jaime will kill Cersei in a parallel with that Mad King. Also Tyrion is becoming a villain on the books, all his memories from Westeros are pure hate, he hates the fact no one gave him credit for saving the city, he hates Tywin for what happened to Tysha, he says he'll rape and murder Cersei if he has a chance. He'll probably advise Dany to attack on a place he knows there's wildfire underneath but she'll take the blame for that, if she lost her mind after that it's more logical. In Quaith prophecies she says no to trust the golden lion, I'm sure it's Tyrion.
@@meloderieugif2294 Agreed. He's going to be the devil on Dany's shoulder. He's going to manipulate her in an attempt to get revenge on his family and the citizens of King's Landing. Whether she realizes it afterward or not will likely determine if he lives or dies. I can't see him surviving the series and being King of the Hand.
1. People guessed what would happen due to this thing called "foreshadowing".
2. D&D didn't like that people had guessed, so changed things at the last second.
3. Anticipated people wouldn't like this, so they turned the blame on us. "Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not good."
These idiots know what they did.
It's even sadder when you have an interview of GRRM himself saying that if people guess what's gonna happen in your book, you don't change just to surprise then, because it will break your story. I remember watching a video called "One Of The BIGGEST Mistakes The Game of Thrones Writers Made" where they show that interview and D&D saying they basically just changed because it was "obvious".
I firmly believe this as well. There were so many elements that were just ignored and I assume its because 1. they cut themselves too short on the amount of time left they had to cover all elements. 2. because they enjoyed being the show that 'surprised' people. GoT lost its worth when the screenwriters became obsessed with shock value.
They foreshadowed the shit out of Dany being pregnant in S7 but that never happened.
Ever think that Martin set D&D up on purpose. That maybe the reason he didn't finish the story was because he was unsure what the fans were going to accept, so he gave D&D a risky outline to gauge the fan reactions in a way that puts minimum risk to himself?
Now it makes sense why in "The Bells" episode they never show a close up of Daenerys burning the city - because it would have given her an idea of what was really going on in that episode.
I can only imagine how confusing it must have been for Emilia when the other actors were saying their lines to her & she's just there like "wtf?!"
They didnt even understand the books because dany only ever goes "full dragon" when she feels like people are in need of help , not because she wants power. They completely missed the point of the character. If anything she will probably die fighting the others once they've breached the wall.
very true. and important nuance.
Exactly. Daenerys Targaryen was a liberator. Not a conqueror. So her ruthlessness was usually directed at wicked, or injustice folks. They should’ve kept the wildfire narrative. Smh
Season 1-6 were directed greatly. Things got a little rushed with season 7. And season 8 was even faster. Still some great moments from the last two seasons. Despite the anticlimax of the night king too. Lol
Right, D&D truly messed up her character on the show. Heck, I even feel for the Night King and how he met his end. He has all this power. Yet, he allows himself to get shanked?
DARK MATTER Daenerys was always a conqueror, and she always wanted power. Right from her third ever chapter in the books, she’s thinking about what will get her to the Iron Throne.
@@empyrean196 Season's 1-4. 5 was absolute garbage, not at all directed greatly. And 6 had it's problems too
I think they told Emilia Clarke her speech was just a victory speech, her speech doesn't tell her in anyway that she burned everyone in the city, and Emilia just thought Tyrion wrongly accused her when he told her that she slaughtered city, which is why she looked shocked he said that (I didn't notice that before, but she turned towards him like she was innocent of what he just said she did) and she looked somewhat hurt after he threw his hand of the queen symbol down the stairs, she was trying to kill Lannister soldiers, but the wildfire ended up exploded throughout King's Landing.
If that's the case, her throne room scene with Jon would make very little sense.
She filmed the entire speech on green screen as well. She can't see the burning city and "Triumph of the Will" camerawork
@@Story2ScreenMovieReviewPodcast If you watch it in mind that Cersei was stuffing the Red Keep with human shields then it can make more sense in terms of what Emilia may be expecting. The thought that Jon was talking about burned human shields rather than a whole city. And the part of saying Cersei used them suddenly makes more sense. Because using them as human shields in the Red Keep is a way Cersei could use them.
EDIT: It would be kinda hard for Cersei to hide behind an entire city as Dany could just fly around whatever part Cersei was not in in specific (most of it) and leave it alone.
Are we sure though that what we saw were the first takes? Im pretty sure those significant scenes were filmed more than once, so judging Emilias performance as genuine reaction doesnt necessarily make sense in this context
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 People can and do block shit from their minds. However, the nonsense that was portrayed in episode 5 required active direction and focus over time as Dany was portrayed as following street patterns. Also sane people sometimes block shit from their minds-they just should recognize it and then deal with it to maintain the sanity.
Though the talk about sanity reminds me of something else. If Dany supposedly flipped out and just went crazy then much of the whole people should have been watching closer excuse for the season 8 nonsense falls apart even more. If someone saw Dany doing something sane earlier then that really is not a clue Dany will be suddenly driven crazy later.
Thank you. Pretty much validates all of the thoughts I'd had on where the show was leading and how they utterly changed it and ruined it. I feel so incredibly bad for Emilia. And Kit, too. What they did to them was so dirty.
No wonder Kit had to go to rehab after the end of the show. They did the whole cast dirty.
I still think it's possible we'll get mad Queen Daenerys in the books, but it'll make more sense, and if George does it, he'll make us feel for her as she loses control. He said it should have been stretched out over 10 seasons at least, and he was right.
I hope D&D never work again, I certainly won't support any projects they're involved in.
For sure. If they did it right, it would have been brilliant! But they crammed easily 3 seasons’ worth of material into 6 episodes
Nastassja Loots The keyword being “if”
Nastassja Loots yeah after they drag everything for too long inthe first few seasons...
They lost star wars cuz of this mess. Which is hilarious because they rushed the finale to get to star wars ASAP. So glad it bit them in the ass!
Not the whole cast, they gave bran and sansa sweet ending 😂
Still not over what they did to her.
Edit: anyone else loves the way he always says "hi there" so calmly but you know he about to roast some D&D's ass ?
Oh yeah
The fucked up her character so bad, it's a disgrace.
@@Sun-hh1lw to think they actually lied to her and kept in the dark about a character she portrayed for 9+ years. And then proceed to ruin this character just for shock value and awards. Imagine how better it would have been if she were to burn the red keep and the destruction being an accident and then jon killing her. She would have been a tragic hero.
His are the only vids I get good and comfortable for because I know it's going to be fire. 🔥
@@saltwater6773 who knows if they did that to Emilia because she refused to have an affair with them. They really seem like the kinds of guys who would try to make sexual advances towards the ladies on thrones.
So in addition to the evidence you found before about Cersei's miscarriage, this seems to confirm what you and others had speculated about for years.
Cersei was originally scripted to become the mad queen after said miscarriage, repeat Aerys' actions and in addition to using human shields against Daenarys, she also uncovered and armed the wildfyre caches that Aerys had leftover. Then Daenarys decides pull off the gloves and attack Cersei regardless of collateral damage and this accidently sets off the wild fire and burns down the whole city.
But they changed their minds at the last minute and made Dany go crazy to be "subversive" and to show off Emilia Clarke? Wow, this makes Dany's character assassination way worse than before. Even better is that the writers lied about things rather than admit the truth like they did with the JamiexCersei "rape scene" that wasn't meant to be a rape scene, but they fucked it up and lied in a poor attempt to save face.
Also, I heard a rumor that Rhaegal was contrived to get killed just because the writers didn't want Dany to have 2 dragons when she attacks King's Landing. Considering all of the contrivances thrown into season 7 to "even the board" between Dany and Cersei, I really wouldn't be surprised.
Not to be subversive. To pander for emmy awards, to pad their resume before jumping to Star Wars. Consider that these changes must have happened AFTER the table read in October 2017....I think the backlash to "Confederate" in July 2017 spooked them, that maybe Star Wars wouldn't want them.
@@thedragondemands5186 So malicious stupidity and incompetence then?
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This is such a better ending than what we got. I wish so much they could go back and film this instead.
Cersei completely overstayed her welcome as the main villain thanks to those two coming up with moronic ways to increase her threat. The Night King should have been the true threat for the entire final season.
Their fascination with the acting is also the reason why certain characters were still around in the show despite their roles in the story being pretty much done in the books, like Bronn and Olenna Tyrell. They liked seeing these actors do their thing, even though there's no logical reason the characters should be around.
Well, you know, they reconceived the role to make it worthy of the actor's talents.
people saying “Dany will go mad in the book!”
Me listing all reasons why that’s BS
- Dany’s brother was an idiot on par with Joffrey
- Miri Maz Durr killed her husband and child
- Astaphor was filled with sick disgusting slavers
- Meereenese has 163 (I might be wrong on the number) children killed, gutted with their entrails hanged out
- The nobles pay the ex slaves so poor that their starving
- these nobles think dog is a delicacy and dwarves without a fighting are thrown against hungry lions is the Westerosi version of a comedy show
- on some level the nobles are working against her
Dany has sure made mistakes but nothing that can be considered “evil”
I mean. I personally find the taking of life to be evil regardless of context, but I understand your point.
@@alexeistrife56 yeah. Except these are characters in a medieval-type setting, raised in a brutal world, and we cannot judge them by modern standards. Which is pretty much what the show did to Daenerys and what a part of the fandom is doing to her as well. Yes, she is a revolutionary and ahead of her time in her way of thinking but still, she exists within a medieval world. I mean, in one of the very first scenes of both the show and the books our noble fallen hero Ned executes a boy for running away from literal zombies and has his 10-year old son watch it. The same Tyrion who obliterated Stannis' fleet with wildfire - I fully expected him to jump out and scream "Your Grace, but what about the Geneva Convention!" at some point of the show. The double standard when it comes to Daenerys is honestly what continues to piss me off the most about this fandom.
@@alexeistrife56 Taking a life to save others is not "evil".
I've been on the "Mad Queen Team" since ADWD came out. Not "evil" per se, but a tyrant in the making. She has a vision of a perfect world and will go to any extent to do it. Check how she handles the Pale Mare in Meereen, making lots of impulsive reckless decisions because she feels entitled to save everyone.
@Omar Sabbagh That depends on your philosophy and vision. In some societies, there is no death penalty. There's no physical law deciding this, it's your decision. Evil is not an absolute concept. At some point in my country slavery was normal. Now it's considered evil.
No one:
D&D: Lets make Daenerys go full Hitler.
The Nightking, Cersei, undead horde, endless winter: I guess we go home then?
The truth
EXACTLY WINTER NEVER EVEN CAME, I THOUGHT HALF THE SHOW WOULD BE IN WINTER-AND CERSEI DIDNT DESERVE TO DIE IN JAIMES ARMS SMH
WOW I'm constantly picking my jaw off the ground. How despicable. I just found you and I'm so glad I did. We knew they were arrogant and, of course, Benioff's sense of entitlement BUT as you said this low even for them. The thing that really sticks out (well all of it does BUT) is there was STILL source material. Keep them coming Dragon... and I will be binge watching your videos.
I only hope a day comes when Benioff and Weiss have to come crawling to some of the stars of the show to be in some future project they want to make to try to salvage their flailing careers only for them to just straight up refuse. I can't imagine many of them would want to deal with them again, particularly Emilia Clarke, Kit Harrington, Peter Dinklage, Lena Headey, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Stephen Dillane, Conleth Hill, Ian McElhinney, Alexander Siddig, and probably many more.
I agree with you Citron 1000%!!!!
Hey what ever happened to those two anyway?
Wow this is just amazing to listen to. I can't thank you enough for researching this much and putting this together so more casual fans can find out about it. I knew Mad Dany was an idea 2D made up at the last minute, it was so obvious.
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......"I knew Mad Dany was an idea 2D made up at the last minute, it was so obvious.".......THIS!!
It amazes me that there are people who defend the catastrophe of season 8 and call us pathetic for critiquing it.
Not only did they rob us of additional seasons, the robbed us of Daenerys. As written, did Cersei not know that the dragon fire would set off the wildfire? "She left behind" implicates her.
The battle between the ice king should’ve been almost a whole season itself, just like dany taking Kings Landing. That alone needed more than four episodes, not one.
ClandestineOstrich exactly, It couldn’t even compete with battle of the bastards.
I adore Emilia Clarke, she's just amazing. She was obviously devastated but she handled everything so gracefully and maturely. She seems like a really beautiful person.
Agree 100%
This makes me sick. Still not over this trash heap of an ending. They ruined Dany for no reason. (And so many others)
That was the worse ending for such an acclaimed show ever. Daenerys’ character wasn’t assassinated, it was massacred
I love that the Varys actor new it was crap
The one lie they told that pisses me off the most is when Benioff claimed in an interview that they always projected the series as 73 hour story. He was obviously trying to push back against accusations that they rushed the last two seasons to fit the conclusion into 13 episodes, but it’s like come on, how dumb do you think we are? From the beginning you didn’t know how it would end, you didn’t know what storylines you would cut, alter or invent, but you knew how long the story would be? It’s the kind of lie that was obviously just off the cuff with no thought behind it. Even if it were true it doesn’t make them look better. If all you know about your story going in is how long it will be, you are a bad storyteller.
EXACTLY 73 hours. Always. No more, no less? It's because a six episode season 8 was the bare minimum needed to be considered for "best TV show" Emmy and not "best miniseries"
Who picks 73 as a nice number of hours for a story? "Oh yeah we totally planned it in 73 episodes"
Like it's such a weird lie to tell
@@thedragondemands5186 Thank you for that point. Its good to know the screwups did some simply math.
Ahh yes. I have waited for this moment. I needed this to fuel my rage
D&D must've been really high if they thought Daenerys burning the city makes more sense than wildfire
they tossed stuff to a wall and saw what would remain attached
I absolutely loathed this episode. My hopes died in Episode 3 but I kept on just to finish the series. Episode 4 was laughably incompetent. And then this episode. Daenerys was one of my favorite characters and I've been rooting for her sense season 2. I have a Targaryen banner in my room. I was furious with this episode for a multitude of reasons. And my boy Jon had his balls completely removed. That was not the Jon Snow I knew pre-season 8. But after I let my rage settle I definitely noticed several odd moments. The biggest one to me was the ground shots of Jon seeing the wildfire. That was just so random and I was wondering what the hell was happening there. Then of course I found your channel (honestly found it a few weeks earlier but this was when I saw the incompetence on full display). And I definitely feel like that was the remnants of a lost cut. Sure enough, looks like we were right.
Yeah, you can obviously see that some SFX shots of Wildfire were left in amidst the larger shots of dragonfire. Were they not able to make up their minds, did they change course in the MIDDLE of doing SFX, was it just a bone thrown to the original book plots?
@@lluewhyn I think they ran out of time. In the commentary they state they were down to the wire. And if they had some wild fire shots they would have to change to the color of the fire in post. So I think they weren't able to change all the shots.
Even if Danny went full mad, it takes a considerable amount of time to reach that stage where she massacres innocent civilians. It's a wonder what did GRRM even see in these two.
Exactly it took basically decades for her father to go mad danys arc never built that at all they just rushed everything
I’m not mad the way it eneded. I just wished they fleshed it out more with a full season 9
@@phinsfan92 Dany doesn't even go mad, she triggered the wildfire, for some reason Jon snow kill her.
@@phinsfan92 That's the thing. It is such a brilliant twist, just poorly carried out. They drop a hint in one of the episodes where she basically gets mad that people are fleeing to Kings landing and siding with cersei, to which Tyrion just explains that they are scared. But that shouldn't have just been a 1 line conversation, that should have been a theme of the whole season, she should have made it clear that she hates the civilians who haven't risen up against the lannisters or fled to her instead of Cersei.
@@ACinemafanatic No but the thing is she was mad the whole time. In the first season she's like "I'm no ordinary woman, my dreams come true!" She has a messiah complex and thinks that she has some divine destiny to conquer the world because of her magic and ancestry.
Every forum thread, every comment section, screaming at me that Dany was going to turn mad in the books as well so it was stupid to complain about it, vanished the moment I asked for a citation on that claim, except for feeble excuses that GRRM told them "the broad strokes" of how the story will go. Well, now I have a citation for my own claim, the one that I have believed throughout, that she does not even go mad in the original script. Thanks!
They openly admit Arya killing the Night King was something they came up with in Season 7, but insist that the "broad strokes" of the White Walker storyline were set during Season 3. So..."broad strokes"...
There is no Night King in the books because Martin dislikes the Dark Lord archetype. The moment he appeared in the show, I was like, yeah, those strokes are going to be reeeeeeally broad, it seems.
I think it's time to admit that nothing they did except for the burning of Shireen, hold the door and King Bran is from GRRM, and even those three are going to have massive changes in circumstance. Stannis is leagues away from Shireen, there is no door on Bloodraven's tree for Hodor to hold, and Bran's kingdom is one where magic is making a return.... Magic- an element that D&D deliberately omitted from the show as much as possible because they "tried to keep that stuff to a minimum because [they] didn’t just want it to appeal to a fantasy fanbase. [They] wanted them to love it, and their parents to love it, and people who play professional football to love it."
Their words.
I’ve been thinking about Game of Thrones a lot lately. It was so great. Still hits deep. It’s a shame about the last season, knowing there could have been a few more. So disappointed how it ended. In fact, I’m working on a video right now about how one year later it still really is tragic how it was all wasted. Really enjoyed this, thanks for sharing!
Dany deserved better, Emelia deserved better. Man everyone deserved better from the top cast, to supporting characters to extras. Hurts a lot that after all the work and love everyone, absolutely everyone put in this series two self absorbed idiots spoil such a great series, they got great actors, the best costumes designers, music composition, huge budget, the best sets, filming crew, etc. Even if I worked as the coffee guy/girl I would have been depressed. How Emilia whom character was destroyed and the rest held it and smiled like it was ok I don’t know.
just saying i love how angry and barely-restrained you sound cause that's pretty much how we all feel about this, too. kudos on all the work, man, and for not losing your mind on the way looking at so much professional asshatery
Thank You TDD for an excellent video spotlighting Benioff & Weiss's Incompetent, And cynical ways In "Producing" Game Of Thrones....I want to add that In my opinion the REAL reason George Lucas showed up during the Last season of GOT was to analyze Benioff & Weiss up close, I think that the results of that analysis was LucasFilm ending whatever agreement that they had with Benioff & Weiss....
As I've said before...I don't know if Lucas could "analyze" a whole thing as one man....but I wonder if some of the abused production staff like Deborah Riley pulled him aside and privately said "these guys are idiots". Maybe he asked them, maybe they came to him, who knows. I don't know if you can examine a whole thing but....yeah I wonder if someone said something at the time that got him worried, and in turn, he warned other people at Lucasfilm.
It makes perfect sense. Although Disney scrapped his ideas for the sequel trilogy, they must still listen to GL and Disney may have sent him there for some info.
@@thedragondemands5186 I think that you are on to something, What you described with the production staff telling Lucas the real story Is a scenario that definitely could have happened....
Love you, man. Thank you for revealing them for what they are.
We all should act like Tyrion about S8....... by denying its existence.
I think there is a general consensus about the fact that in the books Dany will set Kingslanding on fire accidentally due to the wildfire stashes. It will not be an act of madness as you point out but a miscalculation or lack of information. The result will be the same nonetheless, she will be pointed out as the responsible for a massacre and probably deemed mad as a result. That will be the tragedy of it all, however her ending at the hands of Jon cannot happen at all, since she will probably acknowledge the fact that one way or another she was responsible for the death of civilians. I believe, like many others that the guilt for the disaster in Kingslanding will be what makes her go north to fight together with Jon and get her vindication. " To touch the light, you must pass beneath the shadow."
Thats makes her going North make a lot of sense! wow
I'd say she could go (for a lack of a better word) insane or enter some kind of shock from guilt; i.e. realising that she cannot redeem her actions, even though the death of the civilians was an accident.
"To go North, you must go South"
I also think that in the books she will be *perceived* as mad by those who don't know all of the facts. They will know that she came upon King's Landing with her dragons, and it went up in flames. Therefore, she did it, case closed. We have already seen foreshadowing of this in A Dance With Dragons, where others have told lies about her or blamed her for things for which she was not responsible, like Quentyn's companions who are almost certainly going to go back to Dorne and tell Doran "Daenerys was TOTALLY responsible for killing your son, that evil bitch!". And Daenerys will have to have a reckoning with the nature of how her father really was.
I think part of the bittersweet aspect is the audience will end up knowing that she's a hero, but the stories told in the future will portray her as a villain. It's GRRM doing Jaime Lannister all over again.
I believe Jon will be necessary for the 3 betrayals, the one for love.
Great as always. I really don't understand why so many people think it must mean Daenerys's gonna go crazy in the books and that Bran will end up king, it makes no sense whatsoever to me why George would give D&D his ending after the show did it's own thing for 4 seasons.
Bran will become King in the book too according to George MartinBut he said the ending for Danaerys will be different.
Man they did Emilia Clarke and Daenerys so dirty, the fact that they told her not to read the storyboards and she HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON was horrible. I would have LOVED it if Daenerys had burned the soldiers so that they couldn't escape and Grey Worm and the Unsullied slaughtered them. It would have been morally wrong to kill unarmed soldiers but it would have been a very ruthless thing to do, something that other ruthless leaders of Westeros had done before her, only to have that act ignite a cache that would trigger a massive explosion killing thousands of civilians. Daenerys would have been horrified about that. I've thought for years that Daenerys would accidentally light a cache of wildfire her father laid down years before and it'd make the city explode, and the rest of Westeros would blame her for it.
I'm so glad that Dipshit and Dumbass aren't allowed anywhere near Star Wars.
She would have been horrified about it UNLESS she had already written off the city as a den of corruption that supports the Lannister's. They didn't carry it out well but the series has been foreshadowing this twist the whole time. The books will probably end the same, George RR Martin will just write it better.
I’m betting that’s what will happen in the books. Only difference is that it will be Young Griff on the throne when Daenerys comes to Westeros plus Tyrion isn’t going to tell her about the wildfire I’m betting
@@williamnissen5083 I highly doubt Tyrion will tell her about the wildfire. They whitewashed him in the show but in the books Tyrion HATES his family and wants them to suffer and die. I doubt he'd tell her something that might make her not attack the city.
@@dovaogedyskelitis8591 yeah what you said. Though I do think Arianne and Young Grift will be on the throne when Daenerys comes
Damn poor Emilia, her face and eyes just read so much sadness and disappointment of how much work she put in just for it to be flushed away.
You're making a whole lot of sense. I figured this was gonna be just a desperate attempt or a fool's hope, but the more I hear the more it rings true. Thanks for uploading this and for all the work you've done towards it xoxo
I REALLY HOPE grayarea watches this video
oh yeah I told her about it in advance
i just sent her the link as a message on her fb page
Two of the best sources for GOT videos.
Man of culture 👍
I remember scripts which was leaked months before final. Jon Killed Dany because of Tyrion. Tyrion lied him about Dany. He said to Jon that Dany burned KL to the ground. After he killed Dany Bran arrived in Capital and said the truth to Jon . Jon understood that he was lied by Tyrion
Honestly if we do get Jon killing Dany in the books, I do think this would be the reason, manipulation.
And Tyrion lying to Jon would be in relation to a deal he'd have made with Cersei, right? Thus linking her taking Misandei out of all the people around Dany (why would she do that? Why wouldn't she kill her own brother that she hates so much? How could she know to target Misandei?) and the Wildfire right?
@@Bllll957 I don't think Tyrion will ever make a deal with Cersei. Right now he wants his whole family dead and the people of Westeros to suffer - which is why he manipulated Young Griff into taking back Westeros earlier than planned. If he gets so dark that he manipulates Dany into doing darker things and then manipulates Jon into killing her, then I don't think his feelings for his family will become softer. Anything he does would be entirely for his benefit IMO. I could be wrong, but right now I see no reason why Tyrion would make a deal with Cersei, especially when it's likely fAegon will chase her to Casterly Rock and she'll lose all power by the time they dock in Westeros.
@@Bllll957 i dont think tyrion is that stupid to think killing a queen would help his life get any better
You are amazing man! You should be a reporter. You went deep!
We knew they were intensely paranoid about the story getting leaked. It wouldn't surprise me if they tried to deceive the cast about what the final story would be.
It makes it all the sweeter that it got so comprehensively spoiled.
Cersei using wildfire and keeping the people as hostage simply makes perfect sense. We already saw her use wildfire in her advantage so we know that she knows how to use it. This would also put more sense in Dany's point with Jon in their last scene where she said that Cersei was using their innocence against her. But again, I'm not surprised at all by the outcome. The show has for many years been all about creating big moments and shocking scenes that people look over and over again on youtube during this era of short attentiont span. So in the traditional sense yes, the writing was bad. But from a financial sense, they did things perfectly. Their ratings went up up up and everyone gushed at these irrational shocking scenes and season finales. I think the writing of Game of Thrones reflects its time. Like politics, television writing can be all about "catchphrases" since people don't care or aren't capable to delve deep into the whole story.
Celebrity hype culture. Built on catchphrases and short attention spans.
Aww, if only D&D had known that Disney was perfectly willing to hire talentless hacks as long as they're willing to follow executive meddling.
The day will come and the actors will offer more insight. Most fans do not wear blinders- they are smart enough to know - the showrunners are hacks and bold face liars.
In the books Daenerys might not going officially mad, but she will act more like a traditional Targeryan and she will be seen as mad in the POVs of other characters because is Middĺe Ages and people tend to see someone as a spiritual successor of their parents...
*go
**Targaryen
She’s is going to a place to liberate it for people who don’t know or care for her. She will not like it. She may not go mad, but brace yourself she will not be a hero in GRRMs book either!
@@tammymartinez7488 She's a already a hero to us game of thrones books fans and that will never change after what D&D have done. Setting alight the wildfire doesn't make her an evil person especially if she has no information about it.
@@tammymartinez7488 she already is and always will be.
@@tammymartinez7488neither is Jon when he comes back do you think he’s gonna be happy with what happened to him definitely not he’s probably gonna want revenge
Love it when you shade TF out of Dumb and Dumber
Love these videos and can’t stand D&D but long before the season aired, Emilia said it fucked with her head that this would be the last taste of what Daenerys was to people, so she had to know something right? She said she aimlessly wondered around London for hours when she first got the scripts, so this is why I don’t think they lied to her about the ending. They totally ruined the universe and franchise but she hated the ending and Dany’s actions from the beginning, right?
@@evansellsatlanta "Emilia said it fucked with her head that this would be the last taste of what Daenerys was to people".....This quote was from the April 2018 Vanity Fair cover interview Emilia gave. When I read that, I was very worried......Then in articles from Entertainment Weekly, The New Yorker, The Hollywood Reporter, and The LA Times, all published AFTER the finale in May 2019, she talked about reading the season 8 scripts (especially eps 5 & 6) and walking through the streets of London for hours, and calling her mom and her friends to talk it out because she was so upset......She said she read that Daenerys burns down the city, becomes a genocidal tyrant, and then Jon kills her......It does appear that she knew these plot points from her first reading of the scripts in Oct. 2017, but Dragon Demands has said that these articles were all written after she'd completed filming, so it's possible she went with her feelings of the changed, final shooting script......But I wonder if the original script was submitted to the WGA without Emilia and the cast ever seeing it. Re-writes would have come later......Here is something else I wanted to add. There is a video of Gwendoline Christie saying that when SHE originally read the script, at home (before the table read) she said she was inconsolable for hours. They asked her why. She said it was because of the way it ended. I have a very strong feeling that she was a Dany fan. (They once asked a bunch of cast members to choose their favorite animal during a Comic Con panel. She was one of only a few who said, "Dragons!", like: "Guys, of course!" Maisie, Sophie, and perhaps Eric Hempstead, all predictably chose wolves).
They did it to compress the story as much as possible, so they could clear their schedule to do Star Wars
total jerks!!!
Which they won't write since Disney saw this mess and already knew first hand what bad writing can make for Star Wars.
Of course, they said 'it was their choice' because they would be working with Netflix. But something tells me that won't be happening any time soon. (Or ever)
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@@randomlydi3602 Nobody passes on a chance to do Star Wars because of an offer from Netflix. They're just lying through their teeth out of embarrassment. Disney just didn't want them anymore after this shitshow of a season.
@@hawkins347 exactly! No offense to Netflix, but it's a whole different level of production ( and pretty much everything)
I don't think Netflix will give them any chance, tbh. Not when people are still mad and there's better people out there.
They wanted everything and got nothing (except money and bad reputation)
This explanation is pretty damning.
I am still annoyed at the fact that the whole Jon Snow storyline being a Targaryen was for nothing ! I mean come on Ned Lied to his wife kept this secret, took it to the grave for nothing! I mean GRRM didn’t built up this storyline for nothing wtf still mad and always going to stay mad -.-
Especially since the thing that got GRRM to trust the series to them was that they figured out Jon's mother! Then nothing!
😔 #IStandwithDaenerys
Huge find. Thank you for your hard work sir.
Ever since the episode aired I was sure that those green explosions were a remnant of some other script. Because knowing D&D they would have had to point to their own cleverness if they had originally planned to have Aerys II's left over caches explode. But since there were only a few green explosions with no mention of wildfire, I was sure that they had changed the script so late that the VFX team didn't know about it. And as I understand it, you don't put visual effects on until at the end, usually?
I say that in part 1: even watching this episode LIVE when it premiered, the few small puffs of wildfire going off, which no one comments on, struck me as...odd. Disconnect. Started me on the year-long process of researching ALL behind the scenes materials.
psevdhome - honestly, I missed this as my face was in my hands however I did see a dragon flying for 2 quick scenes w/o Dany riding it. Hmmm. I guess she got dropped off for a nature break. Lol
@@thedragondemands5186 I also noticed the small wildfire puffs . Also i thought it was cersies plan to set up wildfire . I thought this from a scene when jaime comes to cersie in a scene and she was talking something to qyburn which was not revealed in that episode.
WE'RE SO SORRY GEORGE!!!
WE'RE SO SORRY EMILIA!!!
This is Dan and Dans middle finger to George cause he would give them his ending
Dude you’re the best. Thank you for really doing the deed! These guys are a-holes 🙄
So basically, they went from Kings Landing burns down because the caches of wildfire spread throughout the city by the mad king are accidentally set off during the battle for the iron throne, to...Daenerys hears the bells ring, knows she has won the battle, and then decides to go full mad queen for no apparent reason and burn down the ENTIRE city, which in turn sets off a few of the wildfire caches spread throughout the city. Who in their right mind would choose the latter?!?!?! Having the city burn down accidentally because of the wildfire would have been logical, even poetic since it was her father who intended to use them originally to "burn them all". As far as I can tell, the ONLY reason the mad queen was written into the script was for plot armor. Either Dany or Jon had to die in order to bring the story to a close, and the only way they could kill Dany was to have Jon do it himself. Jon wouldn't have killed her for accidentally burning down the city, so they had to have her lose her mind and go crazy. That is the only justifiable reason the honorable Jon Snow would murder his queen, Aunt, lover, etc...What a shame. What a horrible ending to a show as amazing as Game of Thrones. The writers got lazy, and the rest of us paid the Iron price.
The rage and righteous indignation I hear in your voice is a truly wondrous and beautiful thing. I may actually be on the road to healing from Season 8.
Imagine playing a character for a decade, basically giving the best years of your life to play them, then having that character go berserk and butcher thousands of civilians in the final two episodes out of nowhere without you even knowing that they are doing that. Poor Emilia.
There were many times she burned people, many warnings and it’s an actor’s dream to go crazy in the last few episodes.
@@zerowheeler Did you even watch the video above?
Filip Ferenčak yes, I did. I just don’t agree with the hyperbole.
@@zerowheeler But you agree with the hyperbole that Daenerys is mad because she did and said some bad things once or twice?
Filip Ferenčak I thought she was pretty mad all the way through to be fair.
I mean, she’s the mother of dragons. I rest my case. 😉
And saved to my Facebook friend feed. Let's see how many people get it now.
how many are in your feed?
@@thedragondemands5186 about 200. I've already had a like from my brother who knew straight away something was wrong.
A Mad Queen storyline could have worked. If it had been developed or foreshadowed at all. "And just like that, I'm mad" is not how madness works. I should know. I am mad.
TDD I just want to thank you for this. This must have taken an impressive amount of work and I'm glad to know that crap like this happened. I'm not glad it did happen in GoT but I glad to know.
I believe Dany will accidentally burn down KL by setting of the caches of wildfire when attacking the Red Keep.
That makes more sense. When the wildfire goes off, it could lead to friendly fire and it almost kills Jon and Davos while their men are burning.
That's EXACTLY what will happen. And she'll get all the blame for it. The people will think she was at fault and think her mad. While she was sane the whole time, and Dany goes into absolute horror to see what she has done. Now tell me isn't that just more poetic then having her go crazy?
@@Dreamfyre_ Aegon's still a big player in the event.
KL might burn down but I don’t think it’ll be Dany I think it’ll be Yuron who’ll burn it down while riding viserion when he attacks and Dany might get blamed for it or something like that so when she does come to kings landing she won’t be liked or she’ll be looked at as the villain. I don’t think the shows version is the true version at all cause really none of season 7&8 makes sense whatsoever rushed plot lines or not. Tyrion basically tricked Jon into killing Dany just to save his own ass from getting killed and Jon who knows nothing did it like the fool he is
@@jacaerystargaryen2663 Cool theory. There a couple of things that are important to consider like Aegon taking King's Landing before Dany arrives because he's not gonna give up the throne so easily. The people of King's Landing don't need a reason like that to hate Dany because Aegon already liberated them from one evil queen,and now he claims another has come to conquer them. Also, there's the theory that Eurom will eventually have to fight Stannis in a one v one as a rematch to when Stannis kicked Euron's ass in the first Greyjoy Rebellion. The whole thing between Dany and Aegon and King's Landing will probably happen before she goes to fight The White Walkers. Still, great theory.
I always knew that this wasn't the real ending. 7 seasons already foreshadowed what was about to happen, and in my opinion it was Daenerys not turning into a mad queen, but the opposite actually. David and Dan just went with poor writing to finish up something this big, and they horribly failed. Thank you so so much for putting so much effort in proving that our queen is innocent.
Poor Emelia. She deserved better
Yes. And the story itself deserved better.
Wow, what a trainwreck. Nice job with the sleuthing. I think there is one more piece of evidence that bolsters your case: the scene of Jon confronting Dany in the throne room just before he kills her.
It is notable to me that, in that scene, the very first grievance he confronts her with is the mass executions of Lannister soldiers. Really? You don't lead with the indiscriminate carpet bombing? He then talks about seeing innocent children burned, which clearly stings Daenerys, but she responds that Cersei "used their innocence as a weapon;" which, again, supports the human shield version of events.
Jon NOT ONCE describes the actions of the previous episode; this suggests, to me, that "they forgot" to adapt this part of the script to accommodate the last minute changes.
Yeah I remark on that "Use their innocence as a weapon" line.
@@thedragondemands5186 that line never made sense to me either!
You are truly doing the Seven's work, Good Ser.
So...a whole roster of professional actors, especially Clarke & Harrington, were ultimately traumatised by these developments just so D&D could pad their resumés? D&D are in no way the worst screenwriters in the world, but I want to know how they still have a career after this. I also want to know how they became so trusted, they got an unlimited budget to begin with. I want to know what kind of high places they have their friends in for them to get away with this openly.
If I remember right Benioff's daddy is actually a high ranking executive on HBO or something and the whole GoT was a very expensive film school for his son.
@@canelia9269 Jesus. I shouldn't be surprised, but I legit am. This is crazy!
@@canelia9269 I think his Dad was a banker with a really big bank somewhere. Different company but still much access to money.
Amazing video. Thank you for this. I feel vindicated. I've always said they literally pull the final season out of their asses, that it's nothing like what the book ending will be. George RR Martin himself said that we got 'an ending', not the ending, hence not his ending. I laugh at people commenting here, grasping at straws, still saying that season8 was the real ending anyway and that Dany was always going to go mad, that she's already going mad in the books (where?). Not even straight facts can do anything when prejudices are so ingrained. It's sad.
Also, on a completely different note. If you want a bittersweet, perfect ending that makes complete sense, go watch Dark on Netflix. Really amazing show. Dumb and Dumber should watch and learn.
It doesn't happen in the books, because GRRM never writes them :,-(
You my friend, just got my subscription. I will go through and watch all your videos. Fantastic video
DIdn't D&D have a day long meeting with George to discuss the end? Maybe George revealed that the Mad Queen was what he intended but that the madness would come after the conquering of Westeros or was more developed during. It could be that D&D simply decided in the last minute to try and shoe horn the "correct" ending into their own interpretation.
...then they ignored it for five years with no setup
Mad Queen Cersei? yes, Mad Queen Daenerys? heck no
You are doing good work. Thank you so much.
There was also a script released a year or so before the filming of season 8 that Dany actually had died giving birth..or I should say Varys killed her because she had asked Jorah to do it and the ending was the daughter of Jon and Dany actually became queen with Tyrion with Messandrei raising the daughter. What they did to Dany in the last season, especially, was wrong. They didn't even give her an arc.
That would be better than season 8 and actually somewhat bittersweet-what was hinted it with GRRM supposed tastes.
@@pplr1 Exactly but then D&D changed it and ruined a great character arc.
Needed this good juice injection , great stuff Alpha DD 😎👍 Ready for it, especially after listening to many hour long essays by Lml
I'm sure Jon and Dany ending are different in original story, there is no way GRRM wastes his main characters (ice and fire) like this and gave Long Night ending to Arya or this mad queen to Dany.
Peyman. M
......."there is no way GRRM wastes his main characters (ice and fire) like this".......Right on!
We’ll probably never know.
I never really saw that being George’s style. Seems too melodramatic. She doesn’t have to genuinely go daffy, that can just be the perception that her enemies use against her. George is all about highlighting the difficulties of communication in Westeros and how misinformation can be weaponized. I’m unsure if GRRM has read Mearsheimer’s “The Tragedy of Great Power Politics” but it’s essentially about how two great powers - unsure of one another’s intentions - begin posturing defensively which kickstarts a souring in relations and arms race termed a “security competition” which if left unchecked spirals into outright aggression and war, all due to little more than a lack of communication. If something goes down even resembling the show I figure it’ll look something like that.
Perhaps Daenerys does something with her dragons that’s 100% militarily justified but that’s used to paint her as the ‘Mad Queen’ which causes more houses to rally to her enemies. Something that can be used as a propaganda coup - think the Bombing of Dresden. For years the common perception was that some absolutely insane number of people died in the bombing due to Goebbels and his fucking propaganda embellishing the bombing. (Casualties still ranged from like 20,000 to 25,000 which is intense but nowhere near the 200,000+ that was commonly given as the figure)
My point is that I find D&D incapable of portraying the complexities of that kind of political reality, so for them the next best thing was to just have her turn heel.
Fuzzy Dunlop The political theme your presenting completely aligned with George’s themes and season 1/2 Littlefinger where he emphasizes that “knowledge is power.” This shows how information about events like this and the variances in bias are what politics is about.
Look at how shady they work. Hiding parts of the script from actors. Makes no sense!!!!!