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“CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!! Follow the leader !!!! Everyone else is doing it. I want to do it because I’m scaaaared”. 🖕🙄. Me me me, over a freaking burger, or chicken et cetera murdered cooorpse over 5 minute taste !!!! Have to pay others !!!!! Twice 🖕🖕 Proxy !!! .
Over a frigging 5 minute hamburger etc !!! You can have vegan hamburgers and vegan chicken and vegan pizza and vegan curry and vegan burritos and vegan tacos and vegan ice cream et cetera !!! Poor innocent animals bludgeoned to death, which is killing you !!! Viagra is eating animals, heart attack and cancer and high blood pressure and diabetes, and you smell like death because no fibre !! Stays in your body that’s why it rots and that’s why you need deodorant, mask your smell but your shoes and feet and hands and armpits 🧟♂️🦠🍖...🤮!!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!!! You don’t do with your cute little dog 🐶, or a cute little bunny rabbit 🐰, or a horse et cetera !!!! Change as a person !!! Look at it from the animal !!! You don’t want it doing to yourself 🤥 !!!! RUclips delicious vegan food !!!!!
Adam and Eve were vegan. They live centuries old. ✅❤️😬🦷👨🏼🦳👩🏼🦳🐑🦁🐰.....’ Which is the psssychoooo ??? 😈🔥😫🦠🍖🔴🐮🐷🐣🐔🐟.... ??? 👨🏼🦳🔥😫🦠🍖🔴🐮🐷🐣🐔🐟.... ??? 👨🏼🦳✅😃🌾🍄🍏🍊🍇🍆🍅🥬🥦🥕🌰🌮🥙🍛.... ??? Genesis 1:29 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.” Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent-its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain”
You did great Joey. But that lady was interrupting you so much and she made it difficult for you to get your message across. I love how you speak up for the animals with integrity and bravery. I hate how that guy tried to compare human animal suffering with non human animal suffering. Human suffering pales in comparison to non human suffering. Thank you for keeping the fight for animal rights going, Joey Carbstrong. You, Natasha Peterson, Earthling Ed, Lifting Vegan Logic, and Vegan Gaze are among some of my favorite animal rights activists. You guys are leading the charge for animal liberation. They won't be able to stop us.
When you get old enough you see that people you come across just try to do the bare minimum and get away with as much as they think no one will ever notice. Most people like to put on the image of being a good person while trying to get away with as many nasty things as long as no one ever finds out.
This whole argument would have been avoided if he'd stated he'd bought his phone second hand, thus not supporting the continued mining of coltan. People use this excuse to say that electric cars are less carbon efficient, but the C02 necessary just to produce 1 litre of gasoline before being sold, is equivalent to the offset of going 20 miles in an electric car. I think people need to start combining these issues together some more. I know many people are apathetic about the environment within their own doubltethink, but things like the fact that a single cows methane emissions are equivalent to the carbon emissions created by the average UK home over 3 weeks, might give people more pause about the whole 'buy local' myth, when trasportation of animals accounts for 0.5% of their net C02 emissions. People will always come at vegans with similar tactics, and they get more sophisticated and nuanced through the conflation of ethical veganism and other less laudable reasons like personal health etc. Heres some quickies, 80% of soya grown is used to feed livestock anyway, so going vegan still means on average you're responsible for less consumption of soya. Only 0.16% of fruit and veg is imported via aviation, and 35% of beef is imported anyway into the UK. To make 1kg of beef, 60kg of C02 emissions are created, and the average cow is around 720kg, compared to the highest vegan C)2 offset item being olive oil at 1.5kg per 1 kg produced and rice at 1.6-1kg. Aviation each year accounts for only 2% of carbon emissions globally, whereas animal agriculture alone is conservatively estimated at 14%. All of the crops required to feed livestock requires deforestation and disruption to natural fauna, making animal agriculture extremely deleterious for biodiversity. Humans make around 0.5-2 litres of methane a day, compared to 250-500 from cows(if people make the farting argument) and methane is 80x more 'potent' as a greenhouse gas than C02. The carbon cost to create an electric car battery(which lasts 3-4x longer than a regular car battery) is equivalent to the average emissions from running a diesel car for 2+1/2 years, and most people own cars from typically 9.7-11.4 years. Electric cars are simply and obviously better for the earth. Don't get me wrong, I went vegan for the animals 3 years ago and wont go back. But intelligent people always have ways round to create casuistry, so giving them straightup facts and then getting into the empathic reasons to go vegan, I've found to be more fruitful and garners further conversation.
The Congo phone argument is similar to like, hey a million people die from car crashes every year, so if you own a car you vaguely contribute to human deaths, so I can kill and eat 1 animal a day by directly buying their flesh. There is benefit to finding the value in these things. Perhaps the real solution to the Congo thing would be every time we buy a phone, donate 5% of the value you pay, to a charity that gives money, food or healthcare to the workers of Congo. Thay would do so much more good than not buying a phone. However not buying a chicken directly means a chicken doesn't need to be killed to replace it on the shelf.
Never realized you came to Bristol, would really love to have met you! I just wanted to say, the guy said you can't get vegan jerk chicken, there's a place that's been in Bristol for years (literally a five minute walk from where you were) that does vegan/veggie Caribbean food called Fi Real. It'd be a proper good idea to be able to suggest vegan restaurants nearby when you go to different cities to make it more personal? Just a thought, keep planting them seeds!
Its about education. People don't know what goes on. Its difficult to accept what actually happens and what we are told happens. We see the green rolling hills with happy animals on TV and assume its like that everywhere. The sad reality is quite the opposite. I have been an avid meat lover all my life until I saw "Land of hope and glory". That video only has 500k views! You're out there educating and that is priceless. Vegan is the right way. Bless you for your actions!
Meat production is not just an issue of supply and demand, it's a result of political decisions. Consumers alone are not going to eliminate meat production as long as there is a political push for these products via subsidies, regulations and buybacks. Vegan activists need to be in the congress, lobbying for change in what is prioritized as food stapples and production of which foods requires the subsidies. The thruth is that a lot of these industries haven't been profitable for a long time and rely on the govt and market manipulation for profit, that veil needs to be ripped off. Animal products are not efficient, affordable staples, that's the biggest lie and a false construct of our food supply. This is the first issue that need to be tackled on the political arena. Vegans, step up.
tell this man, as he's sooo very passionate about the Congo. then become an activist, because "he cares" meanwhile, you are an activist because you care. and as for that woman... put a sock in it love ...!
Nicely done. My gut tells me it might have helped to just be silent a bit rather than try to talk over those two blabbermouths. Some tensions can be a little less tense if they feel like you're giving them time to speak their piece. Overall a great Convo though I'm sure he will remember it and likely to change after he thinks more on it with a calm mind.
He states that eating plants is moral because they don't feel pain and are not conscious, yet plants are very much alive. By that same logic would eating a human being in a vegetative state be moral since he doesn't feel pain and is not conscious?
It’s silly to compare atrocities Joey. An atrocity remains an atrocity, no matter the scale. Even though it’s possible that the guy bringing up the mining in Congo made an unfair comparison, did you really not understand the point he was trying to make? How is this sort of ‘debate’ bringing people closer to veganism?
Damn i’d live to see you and Steven Rinella of Meateater to have a debate. No i’m not trying to cause am argument but it would be an excellent debate to listen and watch.
It’s so irritating when people say that vegans are hypocrites since maybe they have a phone or something like that. Even if Joey’s phone or jacket WAS made by slave labour, it doesn’t automatically mean well, that makes it justifiable for everyone to eat meat then. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And let’s be honest that guy likely has a phone and wears something from slave labour anyway 🤷♀️ such a stupid argument!
VFC is amazing, last time I had real fried chicken was 2 years ago (even when not vegan I never ate junk food or fried food or sweets, cakes, etc). And I had it in the US, from that company Chick-fil-a. I can tell you that VFC yesterday was way better, at the time as a meat eater I didn’t even think Chick-fil-a was good, don’t know why it is so popular in the US.
You not being vegan is not gonna help Congolese or whoever! You can choose right here right this moment to stop enabling the atrocities done to farmed animals. Yes smartphones are bad--child labour, toxic wastes, etc. And you can minimize your impact by buying secondhand, if you still intend to participate in society digitally. Anyway, I think comparing atrocities is irrelevant and not productive at all. Just acknowledge human right violation in wherever is bad and will do everything in your power to help and move on. I feel like this has been stated a million times, but i'll say it again: Not eating chicken is NOT valuing a chicken's life more than a human's; it's valuing a chicken's life more than a f*king meal!
I despise when people bring in arguments like “u have a phone “ as if they don’t own a phone themselves 🙄 and that girl trying to say “it’s all bad” ok no real addition to the convo so pls leave and stop wasting time
When people find something they think is a flaw in a vegan and then don't listen and just confirm with eachother that it's bad. Don't wanna hear any counter arguments. Just agreeing with eachother to stop feeling guilt... Been there, my family and friends done that, to me.. didn't love it to be honest
Both are bad, but the premise of this interaction was that we should stop exploiting animals. That’s why bringing up another issue is an appeal to hypocrisy.
I was just going to type this, she kept interrupting with completely irrelevant arguments and trying to make out it was relevant. Super annoying. People like that who think they know what they are talking about are the worst.
@@Jdman5000 It’s just baffling that she joined the conversation half way through without knowing the context of what was being said and then she kept trying to dominate the conversation. I agree 100%, these people are the worst
@@30daymissionman I think you're being overly dramatic. She was trying to ask a question the whole time (why argue over which cruel act is worse instead of trying to get rid of all), and because she wasn't as loud as the rest, she didn't get to start that conversation.
@@antalyaahmed2211 What's fair can be kind. It's not fair to rob someone's house so it's not kind. Protecting your property is fair. Killing animals when there are many alternatives is not kind.
U wild, bro. Right in their faces. I'll always will applaud you. I'm vegan for life. Most of my life vegetarian. Finally realized the dairy being as bad and unhealthy a number of years ago. I'm behind being a vegan activist as well. May God be with U
Fr. My friend likes to say she's "part vegan" because she jumped on the trend 'meat free mondays', you either care - for life, or you don't but at least don't pretend your saving the planet because your fave celeb is advertising a trend.
Two life philosophies: Either the world is a shitty place therefore I'll be shitty too, or this world is completely F up but lets try to make it better the best way I can.
Even if owning a telephone was immoral his logic is basically "I am entitled to do immoral things because you also do other immoral things". In other words: as long as others do unethical things, so shall I.
Well, it's like, if 1 immortal thing exists, then everything is fair game and severity doesn't matter. Because someone cussed at someone else, genocide is ok, both are "immoral", right ? Apparently one justifies the other. It is also appealing to, you have to be impossibly perfect, if not, then every negative action is acceptable. The usual mindsets that try to stifle progress.
That's not the guy's position at all. Him eating meat and Joey owning a phone are unrelated. He eats meat because he likes it. He accepts that it is immoral and that he doesn't live in accord with his morality. Similarly, he pointed out that Joey does not live in accord with _his_ morality either because he knowingly buys goods that are the product of human (and animal) exploitation himself. He's not saying two wrongs make a right or that anything goes because Joey does one immoral thing. He's just pointing out that (nearly) everyone condones immoral acts and is therefore a hypocrite to some extent.
@@PureExile then why did he ask joey to stop buying phones (?) so that he would also stop eating meat? Besides, Joey said many times he didn't find it unethical to own a phone, so your premise is wrong to begin with
I can't stand that lady that barged into the conversation and proceeded to not only virtue signal but also completely ignore everything Joey said. Unbelievable.
I actually thought she offered some points which actually helped Joey's argument tbh which he then kinda ruined by not appreciating that most people really don't understand speciesism, and don't see human, and non-human lives as equally in need of protecting.
@@DiahRhiaJones It by definition is 🤣 and you call me a moron. Veganism is a set of subjective morality. Slaughtering animals for food isn’t immoral and never has been.
PS - aren't we all? Those of us who are on the same sane, empathetic side and then we hear the childish, regressive remarks of this one or that one. We do need patience and understanding in order to be able to cope with all the gratuitous anger and cruelty that you can hear from some people. And that is what makes one grow in a healthy manner. Pax
I used to take grievances with Joey and his form of activism, and almost resented them but after watching his videos and following Earthling Ed's activism and reading up and informing myself, I became vegan yesterday, my consciousness was being plagued with guilt, so therfore I took the step and became vegan, I joined the vegan society and Veganuary amongst others. I regret the things I've said about Joey, but I was more ashamed of my actions so I projected that anger upon him 😔 my apologies Joey if you are watching.
I am vegan from 5 months now, watching Joey videos over a year , frankly felt he was pushing too much, but when I saw the footage, I couldn’t handle it. Overnight, I turned vegan. I think he is an angel on earth for animals. Imagine one thousand people became vegan because of his activism, that turns saving millions of life
You are so right. Becoming a vegan means really holding up a mirror to yourself and asking that big question: are you happy being a hypocrite? It's a massive pivot for most people for three reasons, and I include myself here: 1) meat, chicken and fish taste unbelievably good, for most people; 2) having to give up something so delicious makes us resentful; 3) when we realise this resentment is actually directed inwards it makes us angry toward the person who made us feel this way. How many smokers voluntarily quit smoking? It usually takes a doctor reading you your last rites before you realise you have to quit the thing that gives you so much pleasure. Same with quitting meat. In this case, people like Joey and Ed are the doctor. It's no mean feat quitting meat!
@@girlplanetboy so true. Well said! I was not a big meat eater before becoming vegan - only had meat a couple of tines per week and did include lots of vegan options in my diet, plus only had plant milk. But every time I’ve eaten meat for years now it has played on my conscience more and more. I have a vegan friend who was sometimes a bit “guilt trippy” about me eating meat and I 100% agreed with her views, and wanted to defend her in social situations, and yet I wasn’t practicing what my inner morals were telling me, essentially making me a hypocrite, and I resented her when she’d kinda drop things into the conversation to make me feel bad - or so I saw it at the time. But in reality I was just resenting myself and holding that resentment and anger inward, because I knew it was wrong. So this veganuary I decided to go for it, and watched a ton of documentaries about all aspects of veganism along with loads of Joey’s and Ed’s debates (also read Ed’s book) and there’s no going back now. The veil of cognitive dissonance is fully broken. I can’t be a hypocrite anymore and be an “animal lover” who’s complicit in those barbaric industries. There are so many great alternatives now too… I know I have no excuse. None of us do. Yes I do miss meat a bit, and still have cravings for cheese…but a moment on our lips is a lifetime of suffering for innocent beings. I feel freer knowing nothing I consume causes pain for them. I now understand why my friend chose to speak up about it and it was largely because of her that I did this and educated myself on all this. She’s delighted that I’ve become vegan. As Ed says… we are on the right side of history 💚🌱
The difference here is you joey are out trying to make a difference, that guy isn’t and if he really felt strongly about the phone stuff he would! The trouble is until people face up and actually research and watch your videos, they turn a blind eye and carry on, I see it when I show people your videos. Some people take it in and every single one who does is a good accomplishment. It’s the best thing I ever did and it’s because of you, I’ve never felt healthier and let’s face it - it’s easy nowadays and I know I’ve made a difference already.
So he's not going vegan because the people in the congo mines working for $1/hr aren't going to lose their best opportunity for a wage to an electronics boycott... Yeah, totally makes sense. Also, having a phone is an outright necessity in the developed world, but choosing to buy animal products is just that, a choice.
@@Nicky_Dore It's about as much of a choice as any other technological necessity in the modern world. Owning a vehicle is also a choice. Having a phone or a vehicle is a necessity to function properly in modern society. It's kind of baffling that I have to explain this. And in many cases, a phone might even be more of a necessity than a vehicle.
@@Nicky_Dore well, if I had a choice between this phone and a completely ethical one, or one that minimises suffering and exploitation, I would happily choose that. Yet this guy has an extremely easy choice to make between chicken and plant based food and he makes the wrong choice 3 times a day.
@@GandalfTheSilver who says I have to “function properly” in your view of society. Seems subjective to me. So people without cell phones aren’t functioning properly? Seems rather elitist. But you agree it’s a choice, which was my only point.
@@fbarnea yes so would I. All I’m saying is it’s a choice. I didn’t say he was making the ethical choice. Just pointing out that it’s still a choice. I’m trying to make this guys argument stronger.
Well done for standing your ground. It takes a strong minded unique individual to do what you do and never give up especially when 95 percent of the world doesn't care but keep spreading the message hopefully 1 day we can end it
It's so disappointing that they just dont get it. They refuse to take accountability like 99 % of us vegans had to at some point. Why debate so hard the morality of it? They know it's wrong and need to convince themselves they are just for doing it, even after knowing of the atrocities. It's not fair to the animals. Such a hopeless feeling as a human, I can never imagine how hopeless it feels for the animals. Thank you for doing this Joey.🌱💚
@@antalyaahmed2211 LOL. No one is confronted with that issue when they hand over money for the body parts of an innocent life and knowingly choose to make the life of someone who knowingly chose to murder and instill unspeakable fear into an innocent non-human animal enjoyable. By handing over the money to the cashier trained to be polite and put on a happy face, they also are the reason why these dark industries can breed, abuse and murder other species besides our own. But money is greater than life, right? Speciesist *cunts.*
@@roychui6694 we don’t live in caves anymore, it’s 2021 and you go to grocery shopping, just because we did something in the past doesn’t mean we can’t evolve and change, that’s how the world works, when you realise old habits are stupid and unnecessary you change them, stop living like it’s 300 b.c.
I first went veggie at 13. I first went vegan at 20. I went to and fro, veggie to vegan, vegan to veggie, last year and for most of this year. I then went into the recovery stage from binge eating disorder by reducing my sugar intake. I am now vegan again. I have been vegan for three weeks…
He makes money off of it. Sadly he doesn't even think about changing. We had a guy see us at a cube and he owns a restaurant. Said he'd been thinking switching to vegan and he decided to go completely vegan. His business actually made more money!
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet 100% LIE, unless his "restaurant" was a shitty place to eat before...vegan restaurants do not make as much revenue as a restaurant that serves animal products Even nasty vegans admit they are the vast minority (1%) ...so let's see...hmmmm...as a business owner...hmmmm....should I start a business with only 1% of the population as a customer??? Decisions Decisions
If most animals were bigger and more intelligent and a more Dominant breed than humans would they eat us yes and exploit us yes they would and I’m not saying we’re physically more dominant because obviously we would get killed by a gorilla or a shark but we are more intelligent which makes us the higher breed hence why we kill Animals it’s natural and just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s moral but unfortunately are world isn’t one sided bad and good ying and yang, being vegan doesn’t even solve the solution infact it just creates another problem and kills even more animals because when you eat tofu weat and a lot of other products animals have to die so it kinda defeats the whole point of veganism because you’re still harming and killing animals the worlds not perfect but trying to make the whole world go vegan isn’t practical or sustainable nor is it going to happen. I know this is gunna get a lot of people triggered I don’t care because this is my outlook
There actually is an argument to made here about veganism and how it logically leads to consumption changes outside of veganism, like avoiding products produced by unethical practices. This guy isn't making that argument however. He's just gesturing at vague hypocrisies.
Not only does buying a phone ONE TIME cause WAY less suffering than paying for animal products multiple times a day, but having a phone is basically a necessity now. Eating a cheeseburger is not. There is a massive difference. Calling a vegan out for owning an iPhone is like calling a vegan out for living in a house. Building a house results in some animal suffering in some way like taking up land where an animal lived for example. But a house is a necessity not a cheeseburger. These people will reach so far just to not feel guilty about eating animal products it’s insane
Fellow activists: just get all of your technology used. It will shut down the "you have a phone tho" crap, and it's better for the planet, you save money, and you won't miss out on anything. Just do it!!!!!!
And after you explain that you get everything used, ask them what they're doing to avoid contributing to the ethical issues of technology. You will 99 percent likely get crickets, then you can move back to animal rights. Easy!
Joey, you always say the right thing in those debates and i really enjoy watching them. But it is always frustrating to see people comparing animals to carrots and the iphone excuse. I think there should be a better argument against those excuses. In the Congo argument I would ask what do you think will happen to the people if we boycot products from this country. This might make the rethink. It is interesting how most of the meat eaters are experts about carrots feelings and slavery in Africa. Probably its because they know they are doing something wrong.
Joey: Billions of animals are exploited and killed every year, look at the suffering these chickens experience for your fleeting pleasure. This guy: But the Congo! Way to evade responsibility by pointing out irrelevent injustices.
I see your point, but I also don’t think that the point about the Congo is irrelevant. I suppose that a true vegan might boycott phones as well since they are produced by cruel means. I think it’s food for thought, and we, vegans, ought to listen to this appeals, though they may be deflections. How else can we convince people than by meeting them where they are? I’m a teacher and this is the number one thing we learn in the profession: use what people give you.
@@Gooby1303 It's a common rebuttal to any vegan argument with a insidious goal of silencing the message by taking away all forms of modern communication. No cell phone or computer effectively mutes the vegan message, which is what a carnist wants in an argument with a vegan. Personally, I use second-hand tech and that should be enough on a practical level to minimize my contribution to that abuse.
@@Gooby1303 Good and fair point, that we should have a broad view and not overly concentrate on only one injustice and turn a blind eye to other issues. But it is beneficial for some individuals to give great energy to one particular issue as they can be more effective in creating change. Almost all of the most positive cultural changes have required some individuals to concentrate with great diligence on that issue. Re: the phone, is not teally practical to boycott phones, and it would make it very difficult to organise any kind of campaigning. But it is possible to buy more ethical phones using more ethically sourced materials or buy second hand.
Dude if I was in this situation I'd get worn out, disheartened, depressed, and just go home and sleep. Not only was the guy loud and simple-minded (not to be offensive, but even before I went vegan I knew better. His arguments held no weight.), the uncompassionate people eating pork that followed saying "I don't care about animals" "so what they taste good", and the mom with her child being arrogant were all just as disheartening. Idk how you stay composed, and logical in such heat. No joke, when no one around me seems to care, but you and Ed keep the sadness at bay. Bless you man.
I love how everyone tries to deflect rather than admit they're paying for animal abuse. Trying to find faults in vegans for bringing awareness and defending the helpless. Vegan practice do no harm. Kind of hard to call someone a hypocrite when they're selflessly trying to help others with no personal agenda
Joey, I also sent an email about a week ago to thank you ! Thanks for doing what you do! I hope I see you in London some day, shake your hand, and thank you! ❤️ Farid
That's what people do when they feel guilty and have to take responsibility that takes them out of their comfort zone. Point to another problem and thereby sweep their sense of guilt under the rug. Motto "there is so much bad in the world that others don't change, so I don't change anything because of it". ..poor Joey but great stunt 👍🌱
I have heard avocados causes more harm than meat because its shipped from far away land. Haha ya right mate, you dont care about avocadoes you just want to bring down vegans to your level
@@KennyMong and what about soy and corn from the rain forest for the lifestock, you genius? 15kg plants for 1kg meat, absolutely sustainable and no waste of resources and water not to mention the space needed, correct? And vegans eat only avocados and non-vegans of course never eat avocados or tropical fruits - sarcasm by accident.
Hey Joey. Videos like these are so infuriating to me. How these people are attempting to take the focus of the conversation to something irrelevant is insane. With that being said, the man was right about the Congo mining and stuff. We should always try to be ethical especially when we are trying to be the ones who do the right thing. Currently on the market there is only one phone that is ethical and thats the Fairphone 4. I'm currently looking into it and it's definetly not a top tier phone but it's of respectable performance. I think I'm going to replace mine to that one so nobody can tell me that my phone is unethical haha.
The woman is enjoying trying to be the 'white saviour' during this whole exchange. She doesn't actually express her view on the topic they are discussing, she's just adding to the aggro whilst pretending to be the 'peace keeper' telling them they shouldn't be arguing which one is worse. Joey was trying to express the moral differences which he still did very well over her rambling. Great work Joey, another articulate debate in tribute to these exploited beings 👏🏼
He Fells so Bad for Congo's Slavery that has an IPhone!...so worried!...At least we Vegans stick a bit More to what we believe by not Eating animals or buying anything made of their bodies.
hey joey, great work! i find a good question is "can an iphone be made without without causing unnecessary violence to others?" the answer is yes. then ask "can animal products be made without causing unnecessary violence to others?" the answer is no. then just explain that veganism is about not contributing to things that you know will cause direct violence and that you cannot reasonably control the indirect violence you may cause. if a product can be made without causing violence then we have to trust the manufacturer/supplier to do it in that way. the same way that we have to trust the government to do the right things with our taxes and we cannot control if they use our money to invade countries or anything like that.
So annoying when people talk over others, just shut up when someone else is talking. These continuous interruptions, the interaction became so very chaotic. Well done Joey for handling this like a pro
“Can you get the screen away from the child” whilst they’re smoking in the child’s face 🙄 Oh man… I lived in the uk 9 years and have some opinions, but probably best kept to myself. Something to do with spinelessness , being spoilt, entitled, preachy, whiny, bleeding heart hypocrites. Colonised the rest of the world to get theirs and now wagging their fingers at injustices left and right all whilst making no changes to themselves 😄😅
@@benkeeley7612 hypocrisy and playing the victim whilst not facing up to the past or admitting to atrocities and how they benefited and still benefit off the back of immense pain and suffering
Woah quite a list you’ve got there. So let me ask you, as someone who was accidentally born in northern England, how exactly should I be apologizing to the the former colonies? Who shall I write a letter to? And how can I possibly make amends for something that happened before I was born and certainly wasn’t consulted beforehand?
If u can't even look at it, u probably shouldn't be eating it...Also, anyone who gets mad, defensive and angry when faced with the truth it is simply bc they hate being called a terrible person even though that is exactly what they are! 100% Hypocrites
It's fascinating how rationality is tossed out the window the moment you make people realize that what they enjoy doing is immoral. The defense mechanism is amazing. Why don't we see criminals arguing their actions like this?
Plants don't have pain receptors... Case closed... When plants react to sunlight that doesn't mean it feels the same a sentient creature does. It doesn't even get out of danger if something is in it's way, like being stomped up or catching on fire. Unlike plants, Sentient creatures have developed an entire neurvous system in order to protect themselves from danger and that is the reason why they feel fear and pain! How would you feel if a cannibal is preparing you to be slaughtered so that he may eat you up later?! You would feel genuine fear right?! Even if in the cannibal's mind, that he will try to slaughter you as merciful as he can, would you still willingly want to be his dinner?! God... have some empathy for your fellow sentient beings...
_Protein tho_ Animals are full of protein because that's what they eat all the time - plants We are full of protein because that's what we eat all the time - plants Logic
They say, "chickens are stupid" yet they're the ones who're stupid when they claimed they didn't realised what happens to their "food". How can you not realised how your food is made!
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 i don't blame you, we made mistakes in the past but we learned from them. Here's an example, everytime anyone buys fur, a furry animal is skinned alive, why alive, so the fur can be easily removed from the body while it's still warm.
I think it wasn't good to get into the whole Kongo workers discussion. Less well informed and getting away from the subject of veganism. It gave the people the feeling, that they were right. Also, i think it's dangerous to say that one problem is worse than the other. I believe it's best to respect every problem on its own. Doesn't mean you can't help one of the problem, by being vegan
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You should look into Fairphone. I have a feeling this won't be the last time someone is going to go for your iPhone 😂
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Genesis 1:29 29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.”
Isaiah 65:25 "The wolf and the lamb shall feed together; the lion shall eat straw like an ox; but the serpent-its food shall be dust! They shall not hurt or destroy on all my holy mountain”
"As long as others do unethical things, so shall I." -- this carnist's logic.
That's basically it. Because others are doing it, it doesn't seem that bad
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 Pacman I remember your old comments on Joeys past videos, I'm so glad you made the switch, you are awesome dude
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 the wholesomeness is stabbing me in the eye
@@radiocorrective Nice
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 such a conscious decision my brother 🙏🙏🙏 thank you so much 😊
You did great Joey. But that lady was interrupting you so much and she made it difficult for you to get your message across. I love how you speak up for the animals with integrity and bravery.
I hate how that guy tried to compare human animal suffering with non human animal suffering. Human suffering pales in comparison to non human suffering.
Thank you for keeping the fight for animal rights going, Joey Carbstrong. You, Natasha Peterson, Earthling Ed, Lifting Vegan Logic, and Vegan Gaze are among some of my favorite animal rights activists. You guys are leading the charge for animal liberation. They won't be able to stop us.
As a real meat 🍖 eater,
I respect you vegans cause it’s your choice to be good 👍🏽 vegans.
When you get old enough you see that people you come across just try to do the bare minimum and get away with as much as they think no one will ever notice. Most people like to put on the image of being a good person while trying to get away with as many nasty things as long as no one ever finds out.
This whole argument would have been avoided if he'd stated he'd bought his phone second hand, thus not supporting the continued mining of coltan. People use this excuse to say that electric cars are less carbon efficient, but the C02 necessary just to produce 1 litre of gasoline before being sold, is equivalent to the offset of going 20 miles in an electric car.
I think people need to start combining these issues together some more. I know many people are apathetic about the environment within their own doubltethink, but things like the fact that a single cows methane emissions are equivalent to the carbon emissions created by the average UK home over 3 weeks, might give people more pause about the whole 'buy local' myth, when trasportation of animals accounts for 0.5% of their net C02 emissions.
People will always come at vegans with similar tactics, and they get more sophisticated and nuanced through the conflation of ethical veganism and other less laudable reasons like personal health etc.
Heres some quickies,
80% of soya grown is used to feed livestock anyway, so going vegan still means on average you're responsible for less consumption of soya.
Only 0.16% of fruit and veg is imported via aviation, and 35% of beef is imported anyway into the UK.
To make 1kg of beef, 60kg of C02 emissions are created, and the average cow is around 720kg, compared to the highest vegan C)2 offset item being olive oil at 1.5kg per 1 kg produced and rice at 1.6-1kg.
Aviation each year accounts for only 2% of carbon emissions globally, whereas animal agriculture alone is conservatively estimated at 14%.
All of the crops required to feed livestock requires deforestation and disruption to natural fauna, making animal agriculture extremely deleterious for biodiversity.
Humans make around 0.5-2 litres of methane a day, compared to 250-500 from cows(if people make the farting argument) and methane is 80x more 'potent' as a greenhouse gas than C02.
The carbon cost to create an electric car battery(which lasts 3-4x longer than a regular car battery) is equivalent to the average emissions from running a diesel car for 2+1/2 years, and most people own cars from typically 9.7-11.4 years. Electric cars are simply and obviously better for the earth.
Don't get me wrong, I went vegan for the animals 3 years ago and wont go back. But intelligent people always have ways round to create casuistry, so giving them straightup facts and then getting into the empathic reasons to go vegan, I've found to be more fruitful and garners further conversation.
Thanks for sharing these conversations! You are amazing at keeping on point during these heated debates.
The Congo phone argument is similar to like, hey a million people die from car crashes every year, so if you own a car you vaguely contribute to human deaths, so I can kill and eat 1 animal a day by directly buying their flesh.
There is benefit to finding the value in these things. Perhaps the real solution to the Congo thing would be every time we buy a phone, donate 5% of the value you pay, to a charity that gives money, food or healthcare to the workers of Congo. Thay would do so much more good than not buying a phone. However not buying a chicken directly means a chicken doesn't need to be killed to replace it on the shelf.
Excellent outreach as always - thanks Joey
Never realized you came to Bristol, would really love to have met you! I just wanted to say, the guy said you can't get vegan jerk chicken, there's a place that's been in Bristol for years (literally a five minute walk from where you were) that does vegan/veggie Caribbean food called Fi Real. It'd be a proper good idea to be able to suggest vegan restaurants nearby when you go to different cities to make it more personal? Just a thought, keep planting them seeds!
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Its about education. People don't know what goes on. Its difficult to accept what actually happens and what we are told happens. We see the green rolling hills with happy animals on TV and assume its like that everywhere. The sad reality is quite the opposite. I have been an avid meat lover all my life until I saw "Land of hope and glory". That video only has 500k views! You're out there educating and that is priceless. Vegan is the right way. Bless you for your actions!
Meat production is not just an issue of supply and demand, it's a result of political decisions. Consumers alone are not going to eliminate meat production as long as there is a political push for these products via subsidies, regulations and buybacks. Vegan activists need to be in the congress, lobbying for change in what is prioritized as food stapples and production of which foods requires the subsidies. The thruth is that a lot of these industries haven't been profitable for a long time and rely on the govt and market manipulation for profit, that veil needs to be ripped off. Animal products are not efficient, affordable staples, that's the biggest lie and a false construct of our food supply. This is the first issue that need to be tackled on the political arena. Vegans, step up.
tell this man, as he's sooo very passionate about the Congo. then become an activist, because "he cares"
meanwhile, you are an activist because you care.
and as for that woman... put a sock in it love ...!
Love and support to u always joey xxxx
Nicely done. My gut tells me it might have helped to just be silent a bit rather than try to talk over those two blabbermouths. Some tensions can be a little less tense if they feel like you're giving them time to speak their piece. Overall a great Convo though I'm sure he will remember it and likely to change after he thinks more on it with a calm mind.
Thanks Joey !!! 🐥 🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓🐓
Typical childish ignorance.
He states that eating plants is moral because they don't feel pain and are not conscious, yet plants are very much alive. By that same logic would eating a human being in a vegetative state be moral since he doesn't feel pain and is not conscious?
I saw a quote recently that said " The only people mad at you for speaking the truth, are those living a lie."
It's funny, I was thinking that exact same quote about vegans. Leaving the cult was definitely up there with best life decisions I've made, no doubt.
@@doctorscientist3991 You never were a vegan.
It’s silly to compare atrocities Joey. An atrocity remains an atrocity, no matter the scale. Even though it’s possible that the guy bringing up the mining in Congo made an unfair comparison, did you really not understand the point he was trying to make? How is this sort of ‘debate’ bringing people closer to veganism?
It’s not, it’s driving people away from it.
Beautifully said sir 👏
Oh god, I admire your patience so much! I got really really stressed and frustrated when he was just talking over you and didn't listen lol xD
Damn i’d live to see you and Steven Rinella of Meateater to have a debate. No i’m not trying to cause am argument but it would be an excellent debate to listen and watch.
Keep it up!✌
It’s so irritating when people say that vegans are hypocrites since maybe they have a phone or something like that. Even if Joey’s phone or jacket WAS made by slave labour, it doesn’t automatically mean well, that makes it justifiable for everyone to eat meat then. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And let’s be honest that guy likely has a phone and wears something from slave labour anyway 🤷♀️ such a stupid argument!
Joey got SHOOK when they pointed out hypocrisy 😂😂😂
"An appeal to hypocrisy on steroids'" LOL! love you Joey!
Nobody masking in the UK anymore?
VFC is amazing, last time I had real fried chicken was 2 years ago (even when not vegan I never ate junk food or fried food or sweets, cakes, etc). And I had it in the US, from that company Chick-fil-a. I can tell you that VFC yesterday was way better, at the time as a meat eater I didn’t even think Chick-fil-a was good, don’t know why it is so popular in the US.
You not being vegan is not gonna help Congolese or whoever! You can choose right here right this moment to stop enabling the atrocities done to farmed animals. Yes smartphones are bad--child labour, toxic wastes, etc. And you can minimize your impact by buying secondhand, if you still intend to participate in society digitally. Anyway, I think comparing atrocities is irrelevant and not productive at all. Just acknowledge human right violation in wherever is bad and will do everything in your power to help and move on.
I feel like this has been stated a million times, but i'll say it again: Not eating chicken is NOT valuing a chicken's life more than a human's; it's valuing a chicken's life more than a f*king meal!
I despise when people bring in arguments like “u have a phone “ as if they don’t own a phone themselves 🙄 and that girl trying to say “it’s all bad” ok no real addition to the convo so pls leave and stop wasting time
When people find something they think is a flaw in a vegan and then don't listen and just confirm with eachother that it's bad. Don't wanna hear any counter arguments. Just agreeing with eachother to stop feeling guilt... Been there, my family and friends done that, to me.. didn't love it to be honest
Major props to you for your dedication!
He probably doesn’t even realise the pain he’s putting his self through eating animals
Both are bad, but the premise of this interaction was that we should stop exploiting animals.
That’s why bringing up another issue is an appeal to hypocrisy.
Joey you are the best
People go off subject when they are uncomfortable with the truth being spoken, well done Joey top job as usual
Texas chicken is greater than ever.
Absolutely happens every time
#VeganForTheAnimals 💚🌱🐾🌎🐾🌱💚
Yes it’s not on the same level at all. Those 2 got so heated and excited and ended up not listening to Joey.
@@coolsky_gaming4999 You play roblox 😂😂😂😂
@@petter3995 i play valorant ,minecraft etc and also what's wrong with roblox?
That woman was so annoying. She derailed the whole debate
Vicky Pollard or the blonde in the middle who agreed and disagreed?
I was just going to type this, she kept interrupting with completely irrelevant arguments and trying to make out it was relevant. Super annoying. People like that who think they know what they are talking about are the worst.
@@Jdman5000 It’s just baffling that she joined the conversation half way through without knowing the context of what was being said and then she kept trying to dominate the conversation. I agree 100%, these people are the worst
@@30daymissionman I think you're being overly dramatic. She was trying to ask a question the whole time (why argue over which cruel act is worse instead of trying to get rid of all), and because she wasn't as loud as the rest, she didn't get to start that conversation.
@@30daymissionman it’s called the Dunning-Kruger effect.
If you have to choose between being kind or being right, choose being kind and you'll always be right.
True.
Beautiful sentiment
@@antalyaahmed2211 What's fair can be kind. It's not fair to rob someone's house so it's not kind. Protecting your property is fair. Killing animals when there are many alternatives is not kind.
Lol that's bullshit.
My water bottle says “it’s cool to be kind” as I read your comment yassss
U wild, bro. Right in their faces. I'll always will applaud you. I'm vegan for life. Most of my life vegetarian. Finally realized the dairy being as bad and unhealthy a number of years ago. I'm behind being a vegan activist as well. May God be with U
Bless you bro!
Thousands walked by...but cling to that 1 or 2!! Call it a vegan win...bwhahahaaa
@@JoeyCarbstrong is vegan choccy milk exist
Theres no excuse for peoples ignorance. What will it take for people to wake up . Keep up the good work dude. Vegan for life
@@roychui6694 yeah I know, assholes always trying to stop animal torture and cruelty.
People need to stop conflating veganism and plant-based. The guy who "grew up vegan" would still be vegan if he was truly vegan.
Are you ok?
Astute, Kevin
@@bettyeespin6371 yes. Are you?
Fr. My friend likes to say she's "part vegan" because she jumped on the trend 'meat free mondays', you either care - for life, or you don't but at least don't pretend your saving the planet because your fave celeb is advertising a trend.
People need to stop gatekeeping veganism .
Two life philosophies:
Either the world is a shitty place therefore I'll be shitty too, or this world is completely F up but lets try to make it better the best way I can.
Shouldn't even be about philosophies.
Don't need philosophies in order to be a sensible human being.
Here's another one! Life and the world became a much better place for me when I ditched the vegan cult after many years.
Or you shut up and eat a steak.
@@doctorscientist3991 selfish much?
@@xH0R0R and everybody around me*
Even if owning a telephone was immoral his logic is basically "I am entitled to do immoral things because you also do other immoral things". In other words: as long as others do unethical things, so shall I.
Don't give serial killers any ideas lol
Well, it's like, if 1 immortal thing exists, then everything is fair game and severity doesn't matter.
Because someone cussed at someone else, genocide is ok, both are "immoral", right ? Apparently one justifies the other.
It is also appealing to, you have to be impossibly perfect, if not, then every negative action is acceptable. The usual mindsets that try to stifle progress.
Yeah that's a tu quo que fallacy.
That's not the guy's position at all. Him eating meat and Joey owning a phone are unrelated. He eats meat because he likes it. He accepts that it is immoral and that he doesn't live in accord with his morality. Similarly, he pointed out that Joey does not live in accord with _his_ morality either because he knowingly buys goods that are the product of human (and animal) exploitation himself. He's not saying two wrongs make a right or that anything goes because Joey does one immoral thing. He's just pointing out that (nearly) everyone condones immoral acts and is therefore a hypocrite to some extent.
@@PureExile then why did he ask joey to stop buying phones (?) so that he would also stop eating meat? Besides, Joey said many times he didn't find it unethical to own a phone, so your premise is wrong to begin with
I can't stand that lady that barged into the conversation and proceeded to not only virtue signal but also completely ignore everything Joey said.
Unbelievable.
I actually thought she offered some points which actually helped Joey's argument tbh which he then kinda ruined by not appreciating that most people really don't understand speciesism, and don't see human, and non-human lives as equally in need of protecting.
@@roychui6694 wow you really are everywhere in the comments. Triggered much lol
A vegan pointing out someone virtue signalling.. Now that might be the funniest thing I've read all day.
@@doctorscientist3991 funny to a moron that thinks not participating in animal abuse is a virtue signal, sure.
@@DiahRhiaJones It by definition is 🤣 and you call me a moron. Veganism is a set of subjective morality. Slaughtering animals for food isn’t immoral and never has been.
Thank you for speaking up for the animals, Joey.
Man you're so articulate, patient and yet so persistent with those people, I really admire your talking skills.
Exactly that!
@@roychui6694 I bet it is. Obviously, you need to carry it on the internet as you cannot find a solution. Yeah, that is "very mature".
@@roychui6694 Yeah....lol....that was very clear from your statement. Lol...
PS - aren't we all? Those of us who are on the same sane, empathetic side and then we hear the childish, regressive remarks of this one or that one. We do need patience and understanding in order to be able to cope with all the gratuitous anger and cruelty that you can hear from some people. And that is what makes one grow in a healthy manner. Pax
I used to take grievances with Joey and his form of activism, and almost resented them but after watching his videos and following Earthling Ed's activism and reading up and informing myself, I became vegan yesterday, my consciousness was being plagued with guilt, so therfore I took the step and became vegan, I joined the vegan society and Veganuary amongst others. I regret the things I've said about Joey, but I was more ashamed of my actions so I projected that anger upon him 😔 my apologies Joey if you are watching.
I am vegan from 5 months now, watching Joey videos over a year , frankly felt he was pushing too much, but when I saw the footage, I couldn’t handle it.
Overnight, I turned vegan.
I think he is an angel on earth for animals.
Imagine one thousand people became vegan because of his activism, that turns saving millions of life
You are so right. Becoming a vegan means really holding up a mirror to yourself and asking that big question: are you happy being a hypocrite? It's a massive pivot for most people for three reasons, and I include myself here: 1) meat, chicken and fish taste unbelievably good, for most people; 2) having to give up something so delicious makes us resentful; 3) when we realise this resentment is actually directed inwards it makes us angry toward the person who made us feel this way. How many smokers voluntarily quit smoking? It usually takes a doctor reading you your last rites before you realise you have to quit the thing that gives you so much pleasure. Same with quitting meat. In this case, people like Joey and Ed are the doctor. It's no mean feat quitting meat!
@@girlplanetboy so true. Well said! I was not a big meat eater before becoming vegan - only had meat a couple of tines per week and did include lots of vegan options in my diet, plus only had plant milk. But every time I’ve eaten meat for years now it has played on my conscience more and more. I have a vegan friend who was sometimes a bit “guilt trippy” about me eating meat and I 100% agreed with her views, and wanted to defend her in social situations, and yet I wasn’t practicing what my inner morals were telling me, essentially making me a hypocrite, and I resented her when she’d kinda drop things into the conversation to make me feel bad - or so I saw it at the time. But in reality I was just resenting myself and holding that resentment and anger inward, because I knew it was wrong. So this veganuary I decided to go for it, and watched a ton of documentaries about all aspects of veganism along with loads of Joey’s and Ed’s debates (also read Ed’s book) and there’s no going back now. The veil of cognitive dissonance is fully broken. I can’t be a hypocrite anymore and be an “animal lover” who’s complicit in those barbaric industries. There are so many great alternatives now too… I know I have no excuse. None of us do. Yes I do miss meat a bit, and still have cravings for cheese…but a moment on our lips is a lifetime of suffering for innocent beings. I feel freer knowing nothing I consume causes pain for them. I now understand why my friend chose to speak up about it and it was largely because of her that I did this and educated myself on all this. She’s delighted that I’ve become vegan. As Ed says… we are on the right side of history 💚🌱
The difference here is you joey are out trying to make a difference, that guy isn’t and if he really felt strongly about the phone stuff he would! The trouble is until people face up and actually research and watch your videos, they turn a blind eye and carry on, I see it when I show people your videos. Some people take it in and every single one who does is a good accomplishment. It’s the best thing I ever did and it’s because of you, I’ve never felt healthier and let’s face it - it’s easy nowadays and I know I’ve made a difference already.
So he's not going vegan because the people in the congo mines working for $1/hr aren't going to lose their best opportunity for a wage to an electronics boycott... Yeah, totally makes sense.
Also, having a phone is an outright necessity in the developed world, but choosing to buy animal products is just that, a choice.
Choosing to buy a phone is also a choice.
@@Nicky_Dore
It's about as much of a choice as any other technological necessity in the modern world. Owning a vehicle is also a choice. Having a phone or a vehicle is a necessity to function properly in modern society. It's kind of baffling that I have to explain this.
And in many cases, a phone might even be more of a necessity than a vehicle.
@@Nicky_Dore well, if I had a choice between this phone and a completely ethical one, or one that minimises suffering and exploitation, I would happily choose that. Yet this guy has an extremely easy choice to make between chicken and plant based food and he makes the wrong choice 3 times a day.
@@GandalfTheSilver who says I have to “function properly” in your view of society. Seems subjective to me. So people without cell phones aren’t functioning properly? Seems rather elitist. But you agree it’s a choice, which was my only point.
@@fbarnea yes so would I. All I’m saying is it’s a choice. I didn’t say he was making the ethical choice. Just pointing out that it’s still a choice. I’m trying to make this guys argument stronger.
**gets the popcorn out**🍿 this is gonna be a good one🙌
Yup put lots of butter on your popcorn to you know the kind made with cows milk
@@christopherjacobs2746 i love melted vegan butter on mines. so good!!
@@Manvir. Thanks for bumping Joey's post with your comment 💖
Well done for standing your ground. It takes a strong minded unique individual to do what you do and never give up especially when 95 percent of the world doesn't care but keep spreading the message hopefully 1 day we can end it
Thank You For Everything You Do. ALWAYS.
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 you’re never gonna be kicked out of the vegan house my friend🏡
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 haha thank you Pacman McGavin! For putting another smile on my face 😊🤜🏼🥦
It's so disappointing that they just dont get it. They refuse to take accountability like 99 % of us vegans had to at some point. Why debate so hard the morality of it? They know it's wrong and need to convince themselves they are just for doing it, even after knowing of the atrocities. It's not fair to the animals. Such a hopeless feeling as a human, I can never imagine how hopeless it feels for the animals. Thank you for doing this Joey.🌱💚
@@antalyaahmed2211 LOL. No one is confronted with that issue when they hand over money for the body parts of an innocent life and knowingly choose to make the life of someone who knowingly chose to murder and instill unspeakable fear into an innocent non-human animal enjoyable. By handing over the money to the cashier trained to be polite and put on a happy face, they also are the reason why these dark industries can breed, abuse and murder other species besides our own. But money is greater than life, right? Speciesist *cunts.*
I'll keep it simple. It's not wrong to kill animals for food and never has been, your opinion is subjective.
@@roychui6694 we don’t live in caves anymore, it’s 2021 and you go to grocery shopping, just because we did something in the past doesn’t mean we can’t evolve and change, that’s how the world works, when you realise old habits are stupid and unnecessary you change them, stop living like it’s 300 b.c.
@@roychui6694 I know it taste good, just don’t use the moral justification that “humans always ate meat” to make it feel moral because it’s not
I first went veggie at 13. I first went vegan at 20. I went to and fro, veggie to vegan, vegan to veggie, last year and for most of this year. I then went into the recovery stage from binge eating disorder by reducing my sugar intake. I am now vegan again. I have been vegan for three weeks…
Your patience and calmness is truly amazing. It’s unbelievable people spend their time arguing to encourage animal abuse. What a weird way to live 💚🌱
He makes money off of it. Sadly he doesn't even think about changing. We had a guy see us at a cube and he owns a restaurant. Said he'd been thinking switching to vegan and he decided to go completely vegan. His business actually made more money!
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet Great work 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 I think you’re awesome because you put a smile on my face 🌞
@@ASMRyouVEGANyet 100% LIE, unless his "restaurant" was a shitty place to eat before...vegan restaurants do not make as much revenue as a restaurant that serves animal products
Even nasty vegans admit they are the vast minority (1%) ...so let's see...hmmmm...as a business owner...hmmmm....should I start a business with only 1% of the population as a customer??? Decisions Decisions
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 I vow it to you, unlike your husband 😣🙁
Amazing work!!! Thank you joey!
Great job! It’s unreal that people can’t/won’t connect! #veganforever
Poor Joey! They always use the same old arguments! It must be so tiring having to deal with this!
vegans also use the same old arguments
@@user-ss6db7fq1y Ok so which arguments do you disagree with from vegans?
@@user-ss6db7fq1y I see you don't have an answer!
Surprise surprise!
Animal exploitation is one of the most horrible things in the world.
And humans attempting to justify those atrocities is just another horrible thing.
If most animals were bigger and more intelligent and a more Dominant breed than humans would they eat us yes and exploit us yes they would and I’m not saying we’re physically more dominant because obviously we would get killed by a gorilla or a shark but we are more intelligent which makes us the higher breed hence why we kill Animals it’s natural and just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s moral but unfortunately are world isn’t one sided bad and good ying and yang, being vegan doesn’t even solve the solution infact it just creates another problem and kills even more animals because when you eat tofu weat and a lot of other products animals have to die so it kinda defeats the whole point of veganism because you’re still harming and killing animals the worlds not perfect but trying to make the whole world go vegan isn’t practical or sustainable nor is it going to happen. I know this is gunna get a lot of people triggered I don’t care because this is my outlook
His brain had many "derrrp" moments. The factory settings were experiencing a glitch in the matrix.
How is that blonde lady just joining in the debate?? All she did was talk over with nonsense.
Big case of "main character syndrome"
There actually is an argument to made here about veganism and how it logically leads to consumption changes outside of veganism, like avoiding products produced by unethical practices. This guy isn't making that argument however. He's just gesturing at vague hypocrisies.
The root cause of all bigotry is speciesism, and how the most innocent on earth (the animals) are treated.
Well done Joey, thank you for your efforts.
Well said Joey! I hope he starts focusing on veganism.
Well done Joey for keeping your cool throughout. Great outreach as always!
Hardly kept his cool 😂
Not only does buying a phone ONE TIME cause WAY less suffering than paying for animal products multiple times a day, but having a phone is basically a necessity now. Eating a cheeseburger is not. There is a massive difference. Calling a vegan out for owning an iPhone is like calling a vegan out for living in a house. Building a house results in some animal suffering in some way like taking up land where an animal lived for example. But a house is a necessity not a cheeseburger. These people will reach so far just to not feel guilty about eating animal products it’s insane
The irony of the woman at the end…
“Can you get that away from the child please?” Whilst smoking a cigarette right next to him 🤦♀️
Fellow activists: just get all of your technology used. It will shut down the "you have a phone tho" crap, and it's better for the planet, you save money, and you won't miss out on anything. Just do it!!!!!!
And after you explain that you get everything used, ask them what they're doing to avoid contributing to the ethical issues of technology. You will 99 percent likely get crickets, then you can move back to animal rights. Easy!
The cognitive dissonance lol, I don’t know how you keep calm around such ignorance
this was incredibly hard to watch, you are so patient
Joey, you always say the right thing in those debates and i really enjoy watching them. But it is always frustrating to see people comparing animals to carrots and the iphone excuse. I think there should be a better argument against those excuses. In the Congo argument I would ask what do you think will happen to the people if we boycot products from this country. This might make the rethink. It is interesting how most of the meat eaters are experts about carrots feelings and slavery in Africa. Probably its because they know they are doing something wrong.
@Ofer St Joey did bring up that point. It made no difference. These people using that excuse don't want to hear any logic.
That was too stressful i couldn't finish that one my brain started dying xD
Joey: Billions of animals are exploited and killed every year, look at the suffering these chickens experience for your fleeting pleasure.
This guy: But the Congo!
Way to evade responsibility by pointing out irrelevent injustices.
I see your point, but I also don’t think that the point about the Congo is irrelevant. I suppose that a true vegan might boycott phones as well since they are produced by cruel means. I think it’s food for thought, and we, vegans, ought to listen to this appeals, though they may be deflections. How else can we convince people than by meeting them where they are? I’m a teacher and this is the number one thing we learn in the profession: use what people give you.
@@Gooby1303 It's a common rebuttal to any vegan argument with a insidious goal of silencing the message by taking away all forms of modern communication. No cell phone or computer effectively mutes the vegan message, which is what a carnist wants in an argument with a vegan.
Personally, I use second-hand tech and that should be enough on a practical level to minimize my contribution to that abuse.
@@Gooby1303 Good and fair point, that we should have a broad view and not overly concentrate on only one injustice and turn a blind eye to other issues. But it is beneficial for some individuals to give great energy to one particular issue as they can be more effective in creating change. Almost all of the most positive cultural changes have required some individuals to concentrate with great diligence on that issue.
Re: the phone, is not teally practical to boycott phones, and it would make it very difficult to organise any kind of campaigning. But it is possible to buy more ethical phones using more ethically sourced materials or buy second hand.
Thankfully it's consensus that chickens are food and that humans should value other humans over other animals.
@@doctorscientist3991 That's as misleading as it's cliche. This isn't a "us vs them" issue, but their lives vs our fleeting pleasure.
Dude if I was in this situation I'd get worn out, disheartened, depressed, and just go home and sleep. Not only was the guy loud and simple-minded (not to be offensive, but even before I went vegan I knew better. His arguments held no weight.), the uncompassionate people eating pork that followed saying "I don't care about animals" "so what they taste good", and the mom with her child being arrogant were all just as disheartening. Idk how you stay composed, and logical in such heat. No joke, when no one around me seems to care, but you and Ed keep the sadness at bay. Bless you man.
How do you do it Joey?! Some people's reaction would get me in serious trouble.
I love how everyone tries to deflect rather than admit they're paying for animal abuse. Trying to find faults in vegans for bringing awareness and defending the helpless. Vegan practice do no harm. Kind of hard to call someone a hypocrite when they're selflessly trying to help others with no personal agenda
I love how you don't coddle carnists, Joey. Animal cruelty doesn't end by appeasing the oppressors' sensibilities.
Joey, I also sent an email about a week ago to thank you !
Thanks for doing what you do! I hope I see you in London some day, shake your hand, and thank you! ❤️
Farid
That's what people do when they feel guilty and have to take responsibility that takes them out of their comfort zone.
Point to another problem and thereby sweep their sense of guilt under the rug.
Motto "there is so much bad in the world that others don't change, so I don't change anything because of it".
..poor Joey but great stunt 👍🌱
I have heard avocados causes more harm than meat because its shipped from far away land. Haha ya right mate, you dont care about avocadoes you just want to bring down vegans to your level
@@KennyMong and what about soy and corn from the rain forest for the lifestock, you genius? 15kg plants for 1kg meat, absolutely sustainable and no waste of resources and water not to mention the space needed, correct?
And vegans eat only avocados and non-vegans of course never eat avocados or tropical fruits - sarcasm by accident.
Decorum. Needs to be practiced by all parties in that last debate.
My gawd Joey, your calmness is incredible jesus christ!!! This was the most annoying and real video ive ever seen.
Hey Joey. Videos like these are so infuriating to me. How these people are attempting to take the focus of the conversation to something irrelevant is insane.
With that being said, the man was right about the Congo mining and stuff. We should always try to be ethical especially when we are trying to be the ones who do the right thing.
Currently on the market there is only one phone that is ethical and thats the Fairphone 4. I'm currently looking into it and it's definetly not a top tier phone but it's of respectable performance. I think I'm going to replace mine to that one so nobody can tell me that my phone is unethical haha.
We all should start doing what Joey does. You are a hero my brother 🙏🏽
The woman is enjoying trying to be the 'white saviour' during this whole exchange. She doesn't actually express her view on the topic they are discussing, she's just adding to the aggro whilst pretending to be the 'peace keeper' telling them they shouldn't be arguing which one is worse. Joey was trying to express the moral differences which he still did very well over her rambling. Great work Joey, another articulate debate in tribute to these exploited beings 👏🏼
You do know everything is exploited right ??
omg my two favs Joey and Ed shares a debate video same day!!
Well done for your work and patience! 👍
Joey is a TOP NOTCH debater and protector of The Animals- We Love You!!!!! Jenxoxoxo!
🌱 I haven't missed eating any part of Animals in three years last August 💚
Give it two more.. that's when my degeneration kicked in. Even whole foods and chronometer couldn't save me! Funny.. The animal products did.
He Fells so Bad for Congo's Slavery that has an IPhone!...so worried!...At least we Vegans stick a bit More to what we believe by not Eating animals or buying anything made of their bodies.
This is the exact reason why there is a saying "2 wrongs don't make a right." I never fully understood that saying, but now I get it.
hey joey, great work! i find a good question is "can an iphone be made without without causing unnecessary violence to others?" the answer is yes. then ask "can animal products be made without causing unnecessary violence to others?" the answer is no. then just explain that veganism is about not contributing to things that you know will cause direct violence and that you cannot reasonably control the indirect violence you may cause. if a product can be made without causing violence then we have to trust the manufacturer/supplier to do it in that way. the same way that we have to trust the government to do the right things with our taxes and we cannot control if they use our money to invade countries or anything like that.
So annoying when people talk over others, just shut up when someone else is talking. These continuous interruptions, the interaction became so very chaotic. Well done Joey for handling this like a pro
“Can you get the screen away from the child” whilst they’re smoking in the child’s face 🙄 Oh man… I lived in the uk 9 years and have some opinions, but probably best kept to myself. Something to do with spinelessness , being spoilt, entitled, preachy, whiny, bleeding heart hypocrites. Colonised the rest of the world to get theirs and now wagging their fingers at injustices left and right all whilst making no changes to themselves 😄😅
ugh so true.
What’s historic colonization got to do with the way people behave today?
@@benkeeley7612 hypocrisy and playing the victim whilst not facing up to the past or admitting to atrocities and how they benefited and still benefit off the back of immense pain and suffering
Maybe you’re just jealous because you’re from a s**t hole that has no money 😂
Woah quite a list you’ve got there. So let me ask you, as someone who was accidentally born in northern England, how exactly should I be apologizing to the the former colonies? Who shall I write a letter to? And how can I possibly make amends for something that happened before I was born and certainly wasn’t consulted beforehand?
If u can't even look at it, u probably shouldn't be eating it...Also, anyone who gets mad, defensive and angry when faced with the truth it is simply bc they hate being called a terrible person even though that is exactly what they are! 100% Hypocrites
It's fascinating how rationality is tossed out the window the moment you make people realize that what they enjoy doing is immoral. The defense mechanism is amazing. Why don't we see criminals arguing their actions like this?
Plants don't have pain receptors... Case closed... When plants react to sunlight that doesn't mean it feels the same a sentient creature does. It doesn't even get out of danger if something is in it's way, like being stomped up or catching on fire. Unlike plants, Sentient creatures have developed an entire neurvous system in order to protect themselves from danger and that is the reason why they feel fear and pain! How would you feel if a cannibal is preparing you to be slaughtered so that he may eat you up later?! You would feel genuine fear right?! Even if in the cannibal's mind, that he will try to slaughter you as merciful as he can, would you still willingly want to be his dinner?! God... have some empathy for your fellow sentient beings...
_Protein tho_
Animals are full of protein because that's what they eat all the time - plants
We are full of protein because that's what we eat all the time - plants
Logic
Animal protein is higher quality and easier to digest.
Sausage, I ate while watching this video, how dare you compare African children with chicken. Shame on you, Sausage
They say, "chickens are stupid" yet they're the ones who're stupid when they claimed they didn't realised what happens to their "food". How can you not realised how your food is made!
@@pacmanmcgavin7847 i don't blame you, we made mistakes in the past but we learned from them.
Here's an example, everytime anyone buys fur, a furry animal is skinned alive, why alive, so the fur can be easily removed from the body while it's still warm.
Wait, people didn't know chickens were made of slaughtered chicken? Mad, i know..
@@doctorscientist3991 cognitive dissonance
Wow the people at the end.....
Thank you for watching to the end.
I think it wasn't good to get into the whole Kongo workers discussion. Less well informed and getting away from the subject of veganism. It gave the people the feeling, that they were right. Also, i think it's dangerous to say that one problem is worse than the other. I believe it's best to respect every problem on its own. Doesn't mean you can't help one of the problem, by being vegan