Vegan and Butcher Live BBC Debate
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I was invited onto 'The Big Questions' to debate my position on veganism and environmentalism, and found myself up against a butcher.
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Earthling Ed I am open minded I'll give it a try I love oatley milk
Man is soo bored lool all day crys for grass n trees earthling ed haha.
Yoo i got sum AAAA sirloin steak your name on it man lol it bbq soo good seasoning hell ya.
Vegans logic, "your dietary choices are breaking my feelings so you better have the same dietary choice as I do" hehe this people are fucking delusional, you fighting a loosing battle earthling ed, meat consumption will never stop, I'm actually eating a nice pork chop right now lol
thank you vegan jesus
You're completely correct 🙌
HAHAHAHAH
where is the lie 😁
😂😂😂
I actually do believe Ed is Jesus reincarnated xxxx
Ed, how do serve up so much spice yet remain so mild?
Underrated likes on this comment
Cameron Berry love this 😂😂😂
guess it depends what side you're on to begin with as to who served up the spice lol
Miguel Forster I promise you, the farmer did not serve up any spice
Because he’s a paid actor
Everybody gansta till eds starts spitting facts
@You Clown don’t say it’s not facts when you have absolute no counter with evidence/ research.
Raj K inuits live exclusively on Whale, Caribou, Fish and Seal meat with barely ANY GREENS EVER and are the hardiest, long lived most robust and healthy people on the planet ........they been living this way for centuries.
There are your FACTS 💋
@@DucatiQueen Source? A quick Google search shows they have a life expectancy of 68, which is much much lower than many countries. This is not "long lived", so not inclined to trust the rest of your comment without any trustworthy source confirming it
No he's not he's repeating another vegan it's a fact we are not going to reduce meat it's most likely going to keep going up we'll have to find another way to save the world and we can
Haha ed wouldn't now a fact if it hit him in the face
"is that the one headed by a vegan?", what a wonderful argument, now we can respond to any claim he makes with "was that reported by a meat eater?"
You want your studies to be objective and none bias.
@@stephenguerra4031 so get them done by some one who doesn't eat?
@@AJenbo or a 50/50 split.
@@stephenguerra4031 the research group was probably mixed, only the team lader was said to be a vegan
He said he wasn’t vegan to start with but after doing the research it changed his attitude.
"he wasn't vegan when he started [the study]; but he was vegan when he finished it" is such a great line :)
Until the vitamin deficiencies kick in.
@@kyleB061 Ellsworth Wareham, a prominent heart surgeon, died at the age of 104 and was vegan for 50+ years. ruclips.net/video/hGQTpxjbwaM/видео.html He worked up until the age of 74. He continued to ASSIST AND OBSERVE younger surgeons until he was in his MID 90s. At 100, he still drove his car and continued to do his own gardening and lawn maintenance. At 100 he had a SHARPER MIND than most meat eaters in their 70s (just check the video I provided). So this kind of disproves your invented-5-minutes-ago theory about vegans.
@@kyleB061 which vitamin deficiencies?
That was gold indeed.
@@edwardpendragon A,. 45% of the population can't convert vitamin A in vegetables into preformed vitamin A
4 minutes , each person made 1 statement and then the video finishes. That's not a debate lol
@Uncle Asbestos yep
Its just like the jubilee videos.
Middle ground or some crap like that. Theres not enough time to make arguments for complex problems.
@@yshrenianknight2516 this is pretty simple though
@Raven Reyes PTZ I can't think of anything that beats Ed's logic, can you? I've just started watching all his videos and everything is incredibly logical...
@Lewis Blanchardno ed wasnt talking about grain fed only.
He of course mentioned that for livestock to be grass fed, we'd have to annihilate even more natural habirats, to make them into pastures.
Obvious
Remaining so calm in a discussion really gives you power and shows that you are on the right side.
How moronic of a belief you hold, sir
@ItsSh0ckwaveEd was calm and if it did not cut in every now and then that butcher would keep rambling on.
@ItsSh0ckwave don't say nobody cares because it's only you that is saying this. If you don't care go live your life get off the vegan sites and go speak to God and let him put on your heart what is true.
@ItsSh0ckwave I highly doubt you ever mind your own business. This video just popped up on my screen so I'm not going to look to see how old it is. You didn't have to respond to it. Unlike you I do have a life and it is very filled with joy and happiness. I don't even know why you came on a vegan site if you don't want to know the truth. This is for open-minded people. If you want to live in ignorance that is your choice but don't stop people from trying to make a better life for everyone in this world. If somebody was sex trafficking children would you let it happen or would you speak up? People tried to shut Jesus up when he was trying to preach so why would this be any different?
@ItsSh0ckwave it doesn't surprise me that someone wants to attack someone's character. Like you said everyone has the right to their opinion but when you come on a vegan site you have to understand that people will make comments back at you because you are on the opposite side and you do not wish to hear the truth.. It's normal to have a debate. And by the way the first miracle that Jesus did was not the bread and fish it was turning water into wine. When you Google the Bible make sure you get the correct reference okay? Also Jesus ate mostly plant-based food and only fish a few times. It was documented by the scholars who did extensive research on the bible. When Jesus died for our sins he covered Us in the blood of himself so there was no more need for sacrificing after that. It is purely by choice only but if you truly are into the Bible you remember that the beginning there was no meat eating the animals were for companions only. When we all go to heaven it will be the same scenario. Why would you not want to emulate that to God now to show him that we have learned not to do violence toward his creation? The reason for the sex trafficking comment was just to let you understand that when people don't agree with something they do have the right to speak their mind otherwise atrocities will go unchecked. If I was to go by societies mindset I would be living in a communist country. I truly believe you don't mean me any disrespect at least I hope you don't it's okay to disagree with me. In my family we just say we agree to disagree and we move on. Sometimes I may not word it as what you would like to hear but I am human and since you're not in front of me face-to-face I can't see your reaction so I don't know how you're taking my comment. Whatever you choose in life it is your choice but I stand strong in what I wrote Because I feel that with all the information out there showing how the meat and Dairy Industries are causing climate change and how 75% of the soy crops grown are fed to the agricultural farming along with the abuse they do to animals it might spark some interest on your part in researching this and then maybe you might understand why I feel the way I do. The two documentaries that might help are Dominion and Cowspiracy. I wish you well on your journey ahead.
“65% of land of this country is grass” well yeah that’s the problem 😂
Daniel Sachin Agarwal should be like 80% forests
You ok?
British Agri Videos I mean that instead of plains these areas should be restored to more natural ecosystems like forests etc. Having plains is great and all but you do need some other vegetation.
do you think grasslands and plains are not naturally occurring? you cannot just force a forest to grow somewhere
@@M0M0M0M0M the UK used to be almost entirely forested, only with farming and other human industries did it become grassland. It would be beneficial to allow the woodlands to return.
There’s something about Ed’s resting face, it’s so calm and collected but you can tell he’s about to school the hell out of the opposition
Kunaal Gupta and he’s cute
Without being serious, no one would take his words and listen to the facts. Just look at that butcher, he started laughing and we lost all credibility in him.
Jeremyth yeah you’re right
@@user-lz7oy7st3p It's nervousness or are you talking about the part where he said it wasnt very likely hed go vegan?
Words are not going to stop us killing animals, you need to physically stop us. You will lose that fight.
....and the final score:
VEGAN = 1, CARNIST = 0
@linus eisele why don't you just Google it
@linus eisele The sun (vit. D) . Flax and seaweed (Omega 3, EPA, DHA). A supplement (B12), same as where the animals you eat get their B12 from.
@linus eisele
I can get D3 from numerous sources, none of them requiring me to eat animal products. I can get D3 from time spent in the sun and also through lichen-based supplementation. Mushrooms also contain D3 as do many fortified foods suh as almond milk.
The same is true of any and all necessary nutrients for humans.....there's NEVER a need for me to consume animal products to get any of those nutrients.
A very long standing challenge to carnists which has never once been answered validly by carnists is: Name a necessary nutrient for humans that can ONLY be obtained by killing animals.
Trust me, I won't be holding my breath because the answer is necessarily an empty set since every necessary nutrient for humans can be obtained from non animal sources.
@linus eisele
You are wrong....it's no more theoretical than stating that me drinking a gallon of 180 proof alcohol will result in me having alcohol present in my body. Eating a nutritionally adequate, healthy 100% plant based diet is healthy for humans.
For the record: www.eatrightpro.org/~/media/eatrightpro%20files/practice/position%20and%20practice%20papers/position%20papers/vegetarian-diet.ashx
@@LouisGedo hey fruitloop! I am sure u have plenty of alcohol and drugs in your system. Strawberry fields forever, Johnny!
Ed how you stay so calm, not even role your eyes, is a real mystery to me. So incredibly well spoken!
His arrogance and self importance is seeping from every pore in his body
Well he does look like he’s gonna cry or explode soon
@@insomniacbritgaming1632 I do believe you're projecting, good sir.
he is not ed u Atheist !!!.. He is JESUS reborn to teach HUMANITY !!
@@rasmusriikonen5464 I would explode of someone was constantly interrupting me while speaking.
Hate how he just wouldn’t let you speak like bro....
BadGalSimmer
Yeah ikr. The vegan was fortifying his defence way too much. He didn’t even let the guy finish his speech.
I felt it the other way around to be really honest. I felt Ed was agitated even before this short debate started, not how he normally behaves. He must have already heard from or spoken with that butcher before. But maybe live television is also a different playing field that gets this out of you. Nontheless, of course, Ed wins this by a mile
@@roele2413 putting a person who has studied debating to some extent against someone who can barely string a sentence is not a compliment.
The fact that he did not directly criticise the butchers arguments with facts merely outlines his limitations.
Give me one valid point he stated.
Keyboard Warrior that we’re going to hit a 1.5 degree rise unless we cut meat production by 90%. Did you even watch the vi-no, no of course you didn’t watch anything you god damn sheep.
@@GeddyRC so we're gonna have a rise in? The atmosphere will not randomly change from us eating animals. Give me one reason why it will?
Less animals breathing in o2? Yet reproduction exists.
Earthling Ed turning up the heat
YYEESS ‼️👍
Not really if anything makes you look worse. Rude and weak arguements.
@@MauriceTarantulas how so? How are the arguments arrogant?
@@felixblom5735 Well for a start the so called vegan science re environment is weak. Was done by a vegan.
Also the actual diet has potential health issues. Just for starters..
But am not getting into a discussion with a clueless vegan who is part of a brainwashed/sheeplike cult.
@@MauriceTarantulas Yea its a cult if you care about animals right ? and the environment ? damn we so crazy eating our Veggies.... "Well for a start the so called vegan science re environment is weak. Was done by a vegan." Ohh and Didn't ED say that when they started doing the sience they became Vegan because they were convinced by it [at 2:56 ] ?
the science doesn’t lie. great job ed
Science proves animals are food. I love bloody steaks.
Kyle B what a small, tiny excuse for a human you are Kyle. Trolling vegan pages to justify your guilt LMFAO😂 getta life you coward.
@@damg999 No libraries are open at this time you fool 😂
unfortunately some commie "scientists" lie about this climate change nonsense..including those crooks at the IPCC international panel on climate crooks
@@fuckyoujesus666 Try and stop me eating meat you frail little hippy 😂🍖
This was not a debate, it was a monologue by a proffessional animal-abuser.
Good work though Ed!!!
I would concider killing a sentient being against its will a form of abuse...
@Cry so if you killed a child in just one tap it’s not abuse?
@Cry well it depends how you define abuse, to me it means using something in a way that it is not meant to be used. It sounds weird when I put it like that, but yeah you get what I mean
You are a keyboard abuser
@@abhisheksingh1374 Humans are mamals, and animals also.
Biologicaly we are very similar to other animals.
The things we have in common are things like feeling love, compassion, fear, anxiety, desires and having thoughts about stuff.
They are also sentient beings and deserve better than this horrible mass-murder humans do to them daily.
my mans was barely allowed to talk yet still murdered him in like 30 seconds
Humanely
No he didn't!
@@pyramusk3264 He totally did though... Did you listen to what was said?
@@lsjt8924 Yes I did. It's the same rubbish over and over again. There's absolutely nothing wrong with killing animals as long there's plenty of them and as long as they don't suffer.
@@pyramusk3264 But 1. They do suffer. That's a fact and there are no exceptions. Happy to expand on that.
2. I don't think you heard the part (which was a lot what he said) where he made it very clear that animal agriculture is extremely bad for the environment; pollutes far more than farming to feed a vegan ever could and is extremely destructive not only to the natural habitat but also to human health.
Thanks so much ed!✊🏻
You going to the Uk vegan campout this year?
He is such an amazing human being. It does give you some hope. And you are doing a pretty amazing job yourself Joe
Ed lost this debate. Crying over animals dying on public television
@@kyleB061 completely agree...Ed lost this debate. He was so rude at the beginning interrupting the Butcher CONSTANTLY! Got on my nerves
You and Ed are my heroes
Sounds like the start of a bad joke: "What did the Vegan say to the butcher?"
Does this come in tofu?
I mean being vegan is a joke anyway so there’s your joke right there
@@risevortex1018
Imagine believing that
@@risevortex1018 why?
What's your beef
you were looking at him like "im gonna end this man whole career"
This comment made my day 😂
Ed didn't even stutter, I'm so proud !
Being a gifted speaker doesn't make what you say correct
"(...) the welfare of slaughtered animals" this is truly a bad joke.
That is not a bad joke, that is promoting a healthy meat consumption to some people who need meat once in a while especially when it comes to their healthy life style.
@@commentsurfer8507 Ah look, another of the meat-eating sheep (pun intended!) that can't do his own real research and instead blindly follows hick RUclips channels and Instagram pages.
@@stadtjer689 so give me one valid reason on why we should go on a complete vegan diet. Don't make subjective agreements, we only want facts.
Does it taste better? Clearly not especially when vegans are trying to replicate meat😂
Does it disrupt wildlife when we eat animals? No we're all part of the food chain.
Are we animals? If yes why should you insult us yet not other animals who do the same (literally racist)😂 never seen u go up to a lion and say you should eat grass.
Keyboard Warrior we’re not part of the food chain dipshit. Walking your plump ass to the meat aisle does not constitute “being a part of the food chain”.
@@GeddyRC wow you've invented your own science 😂 are you actually gonna call me dipshit yet not even link my name to your comment😂 quite ironical. If you have even studies gcse science you would know that homo sapiens are part of the food chain.
According to your logic a zebra isn't part of the food chain as it just eats grass. Walking to the grass does not constitute being a part of the food chain'. Reductio ad absurdom.
Your argument is moronic to say the least. Do you know what the food chain is?
I just love this guy. Solid arguments backed by research and facts. I wish I was this well-spoken and knowledgeable.
You really don't
@@alexcrowley9239 hey sociopath.
@Alex Crowley. just leave us be man. Go to a different video and bother someone else you child.
Likewise! Best we can do is view and share his material and back him up financially, if possible, so he can continue his work. And of course, learn from him as best as we can, so we too can spread the word.
just me don’t forget the back him on the financial part, that’s the main bit. You do not want to forget about Ed’s finances.
It's still not ethical to kill an animal that doesn't want to die and deserves to live just as much as you do. They bleed, feel pain and fear just as you do. Great Job Ed!
If prehistoric man hadn’t hunted meat for their diet then you wouldn’t be here today. The moral argument for not eating meat is just unfounded and a little pathetic at this point. I’m all for people living the life they want but why do non meat eaters feel the need to preach to others?
@@SG-xy6hf By all means then, let's all do what prehistoric man did, since you can justify anything they did with your argument. They raped and murdered regularly. Never bathed etc. Humans evolved and became better with time. What was considered normal and justified then doesn't make a logical or reasonable argument now. You could use your argument to justify all the immoral things they did. We no longer need to eat meat to survive. Humans only had to eat meat when we moved out of the tropical climates. Torturing sentient animals for something we don't need and are healthier without is barbaric and is animal abuse. We preach, as you called it, because there's a victim in this situation that is unable to speak for themselves.
Humans are not carnivores or omnivores.
If you were either, you would enjoy the taste of raw meat, the blood, the guts, all of it. Humans find it repulsive for a reason. We can only eat meat if it's seasoned, cooked etc.. You weren't born with a frying pan in your hand. You also weren't born with a knife in your hand or the teeth to kill and rip open an animal for dinner. You were born however, with two hands that can easily pick fruit from a tree and the right teeth to easily eat it. Humans are frugivores. Carnivores have short digestive tracts for a reason. The dead, rotting, putrefying flesh needs to move out of the body quickly. Otherwise, it sits there and rots in your intestines and you end up with unhealthy bacteria, parasites and a whole host of other problems. Meat being one of the largest causes of colon cancer. Humans have long winding digestive tracts to slowly assimilate nutrients from plants. Humans also don't have the same stomach acid to break down animal flesh the way carnivores do. Meat causes a huge number of problems within the human body. Meat is also too acidic and is extremely inflammatory. Because the body has a calcium buffering system, your body will literally leach the calcium right out of your bones and connective tissue to rebalance itself. This is why as you get older, people shrink, get saggy, wrinkled etc.
Anyway, believe what you want. You have the right to eat anything that you want as long as you aren't causing a living, sentient being to be tortured, raped and then murdered for your food choices. This isn't caveman times anymore, even though some humans still haven't matured or evolved enough to realize that it isn't silly to respect all life.
@@SG-xy6hfthat’s how I feel
@@SG-xy6hf yeah and our ancestors needed to do that, we don't, and our morals are clearly much more developed
The person who talks more, makes the most mistakes. Easier to pick up on those mistakes...
I wouldn’t even bother arguing against Ed, he knows the facts, the figures, the truth ❤️
Tim Bird you obviously saw something different. There is no defence for a butcher or farmer, as the facts are, the animals are terrified, and have their throats slit, as a baby, and in this day and age, it is unnecessary. There can be no argument about this, only the argument on its morality?
Tim Bird Julie just said “there is no defence for a farmer or butcher” yet says you clearly saw something different? She’s against listening to the farmer before the debate even started
Tim Bird not strictly true. Predators eat other animals out of necessity. We did once as environmental factors meant we had to adapt, and some people still need to, such as Inuit peoples, but no westerner needs to at all. We can get all of our nutritional needs from plants, apart from b12, and not even animals get much of that without dietary supplements nowadays. Plus if you look at prehistoric man, you will find that the vast majority of their diet was starches and berries. Meat was a very small percentage
AlphaConn because there is no debate to be had. It’s just people trying to justify their eating flesh. No animal wants to die
@@timsbird1971 Tim, you're comment was FULL of inaccurate statements. I'm not going to address them all now, but I'll point out one - Our bodies are ADAPTED to eat meat in ONLY in SURVIVAL SITUATIONS, but NOT evolved to eat it as our PREFERRED source of food when we are no longer in survival mode. When the choice is between some damage to your body from the animal products or DEATH, obviously some damage is preferred to death, BUT again, ONLY in SURVIVAL SITUATIONS!! There's a VERY big difference. You are also adapted to utilize CAFFEINE as a source of energy BUT you are NOT meant to use it as a source of nourishment. I may answer to your other wrong statements later if I can be bothered. I'm a bit busy with some important stuff.
Earthling Ed is a LAD
No he ain't
Oi
@@alexcrowley9239yes he is Alex, don't be a silly goose
@@vegangaze you must be a fHarmer then, aren't you?
@@SubhajitM na vegan asf m8. You can check my channel if you think otherwise lol
I am genuinely in awe of how patient Ed is..... PEACE
Yeah is the one interrupting and then complains about being interrupted
I love how he just cut the video when it was the butchers turn, I wonder why...
@@minty69420 yeah that is a scummy vegan move.
@@cicolas_nage same for what he had to say, but he didnt cu out that part
@@minty69420 Was he just about to tell us about how plants have feelings too?
Wish ppl would stop interrupting the guy while he's trying to explain!
they are vegans, what do you expect from them
Žiga Kastelic the butcher was the one interrupting
Ikr like at 2:46...
Žiga Kastelic oh zing wow
They are vegan broo. What u expecting form vegan. Nothing
Butcher sweating bullets when faced with the truth 🌱💚✊🐔🐖🐄🐣
@@timsbird1971 I agree. Ed did well despite the farmer's attempts to interupt him a few times. ✌
@@timsbird1971 I don't agree. I watched it and the moderator was pretty good in intervening when both Ed and the butcher tried to interrupt eachother.
@@timsbird1971 They were both interrupting eachother. I can agree with that. Are you going to address what was said or you're just going to argue how many time they were interruptng eachother?
@@timsbird1971 The Butcher and abattoir owner should have shut the fuck up and listened to Ed. He would do well to start looking for a new profession--one that is conducive with the 21st century.
No sweat in sight. The butcher owned the soy boy. Its amazing how frail Ed is.
Great Points Ed.. Stopped the little man in his tracks.. Thank you *****Vegan For The Animals & The Planet - The Future is Vegan*****
Little man??, Ed is frail as fuck..
@@kyleB061 ill give you the benefit of the doubt here. Little man is a figure of speech, it means he is coward, doesnt fight fair, bully, etc.
Nah she literally meant little man, and Ed is the little man.@@tylerp657
@@kyleB061 alright, you were stupid after all.
@@tylerp657 You should start your sentences with a capital letter. Especially when you try calling people stupid.
I love how Ed only got about 50 seconds (if that) to actually speak uninterrupted but he absolutely owned the guy being disrespectful and interrupting him who talked the grand majority of the video.
He didn't own him. At all. Butcher was speaking fax
@@MrBCB Bullshit
@@MrBCB he spoke "facts" (and not fax [machine]) however those 'facts' we're old information and were superseded by the actual more recent Facts that Ed said. As always, Well Done Ed. Not only showing greater knowledge and both compassion and more conscious effort to conscious choices we as humans have a great responsibility to make to be both more compassionate and intellectual 😊
@@jshdhdyjfjdjfhfyyene731 First of all, fax another sort of slang way of saying 'facts', second of all, I couldn't care less about what your vegan god says, I want meat, let us normal people eat what we want.
@@MrBCB just when one thinks an intellectual (not insulting in anyway) conversation may arise. Ah well
It irritates me to see that we can make so much sense yet people laugh in his face continuously like whatever. They just can’t face that their wrong.
Ever heard of anti-nutrients ?
They are ignorant and toxic people for the most part. You really just have to realize that and accept it. Don't waste your time on people that aren't evolved enough or capable enough to see the truth. You will just frustrate yourself to death. I know from personal experience. Some people will forever be ignorant fools and no amount of logic or reasoning will reach them. You'll be able to recognize toxic people that you shouldn't waste your time on because they won't be willing to hear you out, even if they look like they're listening, nothing that you say actually reaches them. They can't be reasoned with, don't see logic and they are often rude, selfish or offensive with the people around them.
*they’re
ed is actually vegan jesus
The beard & long hair. . .that's about it
Well Jesus ate fucking meat u dumb ass
Misty Jesus was also a fictional character, what’s your point?
@@misty669 so if jesus killed someone you will too lmao
Hamish Riley-Watson he’s not he’s actually a historical figure. He was mentioned by Jewish and Roman historians and there is little disagreement among scholars that he existed. 😐
It's very hard to argue with facts
@r r yeah tbh, when following a strict plant based diet, you miss out on so many essential nutrients which you cannot get anywhere else than diary or meat products.
You know 99% of vegans never actually made me ponder my diet but since this guy actually knows how to talk normally, I'm looking at my diet differently
Dude don't be a vegan
@@motogents5819 why lmao why do you care
@@TheDwarvenPeople cause then that's another protest that will try to go to farms and destroy things
@@enyabthegreat9993 You seem to think every vegan goes to protests. That's very obviously rubbish.
@@TheDwarvenPeople because they don't want another person to point out to them that what they're doing is morally wrong and without justification.
I feel like Ed never gets to actually speak in these debates :( I admire your patience
He was trying to steamroll you Ed - you nailed it in the end - BOOM!
More like KaBOOM! Ed is such an incredible human being, one of the best activists ever, it is so inspirational what he is doing for the animals and this world. A beautiful human being, it kind of restores your faith in the human race.
@@timsbird1971 Haha, vegans deny reality even when it's point blank in their face. The butcher owned him on the carbon part.
@@timsbird1971 are you saying that 100% of the time the cow, pig, sheep, chicken etc is being slaughtered, he/she is completely stunned and feels nothing?
@@timsbird1971 Atleast we stun our animals before we kill them, vegans poison them whilst they are fully conscious causing a slow agonising death.
@@timsbird1971
Are you against murdering humans unnecessarily? You're aware many humans die in all industries?
Surely you understand the moral difference between wilfully and intentionally taking the life of someone and accidentally or unintentionally causing their death? Or are they equally as immoral to you?
YES!!!!! GET EM ED!!! 🌱💪🏾
Did I just see you on AGT? What a weird world
Yeah Man!!! You too :) Lawson
Lawson
He is amazing! And you too! ❤
I love you man! And I love you even more now that I know that you advocate for veganism💕
Just recently discovered Ed and all I can say is I love this guy
Me too :)
He often makes good points but I just can't get past how punchable his face is.
veganism is dangerous.... please be careful
Wait until you discover it's all a big con
@@GordyB666 don't tell them. the vegan industry is a mass polluting, misinformation spreading cult.
"they cannot emit more carbon than they eat"
that is some of the most idiotic statements Ive heard in a while.
No shit. Carbon that they eat is in solid form within plants, while what they emit is CO2 and CH4 (methane), and they are greenhouse gasses.
Solid carbon is not an issue.
and its even a fallacy to just look at the "carbon", because a methane molecule and a CO2 molecule BOTH contain one carbon, but CH4 is a 20-80 times stronger greenhouse gas (!) (generally accepted estimate is 28-36), and it is emitted by livestock farming (in flatulence and feces) in massive amounts
This man doesnt seem to comprehend that what is meant by carbon is not elemental carbon, but rather CO2, CH4.
EDIT: typo, and more elaborated
CH4 has a GWP (global warming potential) 25-30 times higher compared to CO2, not 400.
@@brunopiga663
I actually intended to write 40, I always write 40. Estimates vary quite a bit.
Here an estimate of 28-36 for the first 100 years;
www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/understanding-global-warming-potentials
scientific study preview, that most estimates fall between 20 and 80 ;
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30255177/
Lets also consider the fact that CH4 is a precursor to ozone (O3), itself a greenhouse gas.
Let me edit that extra 0 part
It's the fox! Yes also remember that carbon dioxide has a atmospheric life span of 100 years at a warming potential of 1 and Methane has a lifespan of 12 years and has a warming potential of 25 over a 100 year period it is actually 3 times worse than co2 still not good but good to get your facts :)
He is actually (partially) right on this one. If the grass wouldn't be eaten by cows, it would at some point decay, releasing the same amount of carbon. The climate issue with animal farming is not the carbon that the animals "produce" but the increased land-use that comes from it. Without animal farming we would need far less agricultural space and have forests instead of grassland, capturing more carbon in solid form. The butcher conveniently leaves this part out. You are right about the methane though.
@@maurice7618 dude, you are so so massively wrong.
1. decaying grass emits CO2 into the atmosphere yes. But when a cow eats it, it is *turned into methane (CH4), which is many many times stronger a greenhouse gas than CO2*
Instead what is also the case is that SOME living plants release *methane*.
These plants are industrial fertilizer plants used in agriculture
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/06/190606183254.htm
2. most pasture grasses are perennial plants (tho this is irrelevant to begin w)
Another one is nitrous oxide.
*Nitrous oxide is a gas that is a 300 x stronger greenhouse gas than CO2, and it's primary source is again agricultural soil.*
I wish the debates were longer 😭
Farmers love to extol the virtues of grass. Well, what about diverse woodland instead?
He absolutely destroyed Ed on carbon.
Kyle B he didn’t though because the studies speak the truth.
Don’t you understand how much land can go to forestry and rewilding if we stop farming animals. Diverse forest is better than grass every time
@@stephaniemyers4516 I couldn't give a fuck 😂
@@kyleB061 Yeah, we know. You just troll in almost every vegan discussion here. But your owners should choose someone more educated than you. Your nonsense are discredited all the time.
@@AnachronyX Ifs and buts are not discrediting anything. We will never stop farming animals, get over it already.
Ed, you keep blowing me away, I LOVE your words and how you keep your calm and just blow every person out of the water. We love you, keep it going!!
Ed, you're literally on the forefront of saving our planet and it's inhabitants. I applaud you.
🤣🤣 yes get this man a Nobel in veganism
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Check out Ed's podcast video that came out yesterday to hear all about "Happy Farms" and "Humane meat"........
And in this video, above, the butcher tried to take up most of the time in this segment to avoid letting Ed smash his weak arguments to pieces
We don't care, get it in your heads. Vegans will have to physically stop us killing the animals. Words don't work.
That one was really interesting! Everyone should go watch it, especially the meat-eaters who often think vegans make things up about the animal agriculture business. Kudos to the farmer for the bravery to publicly talk about the horrible practices in the field he worked in for decades.
@@damg999 I love eating your friends. Try and stop me.
Kyle B we get it. You hate us. Now find something better to do with your time.
@@lauraallard8999 I'll leave you alone when you get on with your lives and shut the fuck up.
The information is out there, and people are running away from it, but Ed's going to catch you, and he's going to tell you the truth.
And if we dont listen to this "truth" what will he do?
Chris Muz why did you take this as a threat? Lmfao
@@BRhymesss 🤣 a threat really. Must be the soy talking
@@ChrisMuzo83 HAHAHAH SOY BOY.
Oh, so doesnt actually decrease T levels? Oh ,well , but at least you dont drink dairy products containing high amounts of estrogen. Oh, you actually do that. Man.
The information is humans need meat you dumbasses.
Didn't even get much of a chance to talk but once he could he offered cited, mic-drop worthy facts
How does a butcher have high animals welfare standards??? 😂😂
By zapping them! Yeah! Shit's fun yo!
The same way Vegan parents kill their children with the Vegan diet.
@@chiefheresy3928 that's just uninformed bs.
CHIEF HERESY love it be a carnivore 🍗🐓🥩👌🔥😁
@@chiefheresy3928 badly done vegan diets are anecdotal, try again fuckwit 😂 it's actually hard to to do a vegan diet bad unless you're seriously misinformed and dense.
Ed always rises... with the FACTS👍
facts is this issue is only a thing in 1st world country.
"They cannot emit more carbon they eat..." They can and they do. Methane is way more potent greenhouse gas than co2. Cow, especially one eating grass, significantly add to the global warming.
Ed, I love how you keep so calm. I love to listen to someone who has so much knowledge and not just shouting angry words. A new subscriber here! Thankyou!
Nice work as always, Ed.🙏🌱
When they start mocking, laughing and get nervous, that's where you know they have no valid arguments against veganism.
You rock Ed, much love from France! 🌱 💚💚
Arguments aren't going to stop us murdering animals, you need to physically stop us.
@@kyleB061 are you yourself physically going out and slicing the throats of animals or are you walking into a supermarket and picking up your prepackaged nicely labelled beef? Coward, stop trying to be edgy.
@@abbyfletcher787 hes on every single thread almost it's an obsession of the saddest most pathetic kind lol life isnt very good for Kyle that much is evident
@@davidwilliams9386 apparently so, people lacking in intelligence seem to get triggered over the slightest chance of facts threatening their need for continuity and aversion to change, pretty much just to seem edgy!1!1 and piss people off lol
@@abbyfletcher787 Why do vegans have a fetish over slicing throats, we don't support Halal LOL
On point Ed!
I like you very much and your debating style! Thank you for putting the information out there, creating awareness in the ones still consuming, but also for helping vegans getting more firm ground!
It means alot :)
This video honestly just really annoyed me.
1. It wasn't even a debate
2. The butcher was barely giving Ed a chance to speak
3. The video was way too short
Because the butcher was never able to properly make his point after being asked the first question, he kept getting interrupted, which stretched out his speaking time making it seem as if he is interrupting. I see this done every time.
hi ed I am a vegetarian at the minute but after listening too ur channel for a month and trying to defend the milk and egg industry I can't anymore just seeing how the animals and treated and the environmental impact. so ed I am definitely turning vegan and thank u x
The carnist put up a barricade of nonsense, and Ed dropped fact bombs with swiftness and efficiency.
Good job bro.
I love how he just cut the video when it was the butchers turn, I wonder why...
Nature has chosen the best human animal to speak up for her vulnerable beings. Ed you are so calm amids the storm! Thank you for what you do!
You get better and better Ed. Sending you massive love.
Belinda White send him some pork chops
sometimes not always ....He cares for the unjustified slaughter and abuse that they suffer. Sending him body parts of an innocent animal for what reason?
Belinda White i see what your saying . Sorry its a old vegan joke . It means send him the part of the animal that these meat eating bastards respect the most instead of the living being . Its funny how we allow these meat eating mass butchering people to live . Vegans should come together as a group and slaughter meat eaters and see how they like it . Fook em with frozen cucumbers . Send in the flange diver brigade and fuel em with organic nuts and sugar . Let the vegan sociopaths and looneys loose on em . Let them feel what we go through every day to fit in and justify our rebellious self deluded. hungry. malnourished. serial masterbating selves .they think its easy making cheese out of vegan products and having to pretend its ok and oh no to bad this one jane . Jane is a fictional lesbo feminist carrot munching . Serial finger blaster. but as vegans we all know a Jane right . Or maybe your the jane but either way i think meat eaters and vegans are scum . As a fruitarian i feel justified in saying that as we only eat what falls from the tree . People like you who support crop growing which kills billions of creatures each year make me sick . You think you justified complaining about slaughter houses while you eat products that directly participate to worse things . I used to be a meat eater . Then i turned to being a vegetarian . Then a vegan . And now iv progressed to a place that perhaps you might reach . But for now your a killer just like the meat eaters and deep down despite my somewhat strange humor and crazy choice of words you know im right . So actually think about it for a moment . Look past your ego or my choice of words and ask yourself how many beings died for your humus or leafy greens . Sorry for the shock tactics but sometimes if you want someone to listen you have to drop kick em in the bacon flaps
Belinda White wtf thats my uncle on my account . Im a vegan
Butcher: 'High welfare tho - they get electrocuted' on national television
We do live executions in prisons...........what's the difference
@@allduhcheese6762 in prisons they are hard core criminals who probably raped or murdered someone..... The non human animals on the other hand did nothing wrong they are more innocent than the most innocent human alive
@Amanley Load I'll keep enjoying my flesh
@@savitasubrahmanyam3953 yah innocently delicious
@@savitasubrahmanyam3953 fuck this first of all i dont give a fuck about killing animals you are only vegan to gain a moral high ground and try to make yourself a better human jesus christ i feel like the human race has gotten so out of control it is scary to watch we dont give a fuck if your vegan so don't tell us you are not better or worse just human stop trying to deny me my rights to eat whatever the fuck i want idgaf about what you think vegans are fucking stupid
Ed talks so smooth god, love how he has everything so clear on his mind.
I love how amazing and confident you are in your speaking!! It’s beautiful to watch!!😍
Class act as always Ed. 🙏🤘🍄
'animals can't emit more carbon than they eat' but they do emit methanneee
Helena Webster no shit
They will still continue to emit methane if they survive , through the discharge they produce , hence killing them early is limiting the methane production
@@diwakar581 yes but killing them early then breeding more and killing those early then breeding even more doesn't limit methane production- which is what the meat industry does. Not everyone will go vegan all at once so we won't have 1000s of methane emitting animals roaming around, demand will slowly decrease hence stopping the breeding and subsequent methane production
@@helenawebster8812 Yeah, the cow, chicken and pig population on Earth is really, really, unnaturally high, and that's thanks to the meat and dairy industries. It's destroying the planet. The sooner we taper-off these business and work to return these animals to their natural populations the better, but I worry I won't live to see it, people are that dense.
@@venus_envy They should just limit in breeding animals and we should limit eating meat. No need to go completely vegan.
The way Ed debates is something we all need to learn
So thankful for you and your debates.
This was an amazing debate
SYUJE Where can I find the full version
it was 4 minutes long lol
Looked like the butcher got butchered.
Create a Better World by......GOING VEGAN
Louis Gedo that’s the main start to a better world. Going vegan starts with the animals but the environment and health are just as important. 👍🏾
There will never be a complete vegan world
And staying VEGAN!
@Emma Cote Well i for one don't give a fuck about a starving somali kid in a desert and i think most people think just like me. Clean environment is cool, but not something to make sacrifises over.
Anabolic ChickenSandwich this is the kind of “logic” that is killing our planet. We NEED to make sacrifices for future generations
how do you deal with people constantly interrupting you?
it is my biggest annoyance when having a conversation with someone!
Great response Ed to someone who was really having trouble listening and letting you respond. Vegan for life!
@Alex Alternativlos lol ok
@@Vamusika lmao I wonder if this guy knows you're alive 😂
Alex Alternativlos
Alex, we eat a lot because plants are low in calories and high in nutrients.
Veganism is not a starvation. We eat plants, we are not breathetarians and don’t rely on air. (Fun fact)
@@marishasveganworld2240 So eat meat then. More practical.
@@kpsiex
I enjoy eating more. It’s not a negative side of eating vegan. You get to experience more pleasure when eating while consuming the same calories as before veganism.
But even if going vegan wasn’t practical at all, keep in mind eating animal products means: paying for the exploitation, abuse and murder of animals as well as supporting an industry that’s responsible for species extinctions, ocean dead zones, greenhouse gas emissions, deforestation and climate change.
Our little inconvenience is nothing compared to what animals go through.
Ed didn’t get as many talk time
Yet he still won the debate!
STEAK AND CHIPS well he won the debate so
T must’ve watched something different to me😂
That butcher is so rude, kept interrupting you Ed all the time except for the very end when you finally asked him to let you respond.
He learnt at the Piers Morgan Debating School for Shills.
Tbh Ed did too although I agree with Ed
You talk like a fucking woman.
@@damg999 You eat plants 😂, you're clearly the dumbass.
@@kyleB061 I'd say people who pay to kill someone when they don't need to, and to pay to drink the breastmilk of another species mother, that's being a dumbass.
I like how you respectfully asked to be able to respond, good job keeping a cool head
Rules on how to be a Vegan
1. Grow a beard
2. Grow long hair
3. Weigh like Christian Bale in the movie 'Machinist'.
4. Become a hippie
5. Be very smart like a yale graduate
6. Debate like a true professional
7. Believe 100% in Science
8. Be Atheist.
9 . Be humble
10. Smoke weed and protect the environment
What does being atheist have to do with it? genuinely curious
@@MonkAY962 because the bible kinda says that we have to eat meat
@@ACM1PT95 the bible says a shitload of stupid stuff
@@ivailopetrov2827 hey dont say that bro, that's jesus christ you're insulting there. You crasy ? Say sorry :(
My guy my guy
So good at getting the point across!! Nice one Ed. :)
Can anyone provide the link to the study he is referring to?
can you add links to the studies you quote, please ?
ed is one of the most educated, calm and collected activists i know. this is how we should all be spreading the message
Well, with such an obvious nutrient deficiency, he can't help but be calm. The other attributes I am not so sure about.
So why did he feel he needed to keep interrupting the butcher?
the replies😂
Boom! Truth bomb!
Can you share a link to the whole debate?
I’m so thankful having someone like you representing vegans, and expressing how I feel but suck at debating or even just finding the right words to say.
Ed is simply the most quintessential vegan activist. His delivery of information through his calm temperament is the most effective way to get people to listen. Thank you for everything you are doing to make a difference !
I know, right? 🙂 He's just a level above anyone else in debates. We can watch his debates and activism and learn from them and also aspire to educate ourselves to speak more eloquently and with conviction. ✌
You presented the facts brilliantly Ed
Lol 🤣
Brilliant! Thank you Ed for fighting that fight.
I love it how you cut off just before you lost the debate
Yes mate, nothing but factssss.
The UN acknowledges these facts and figures. It's not controversial that reducing animal consumption is the single best thing the average person can do for the environment.
And the U.N. are a friend to working-class people? 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@craigg4219 No they aren't a friend nor an enemy. The UNs goal is to harmonize relations between nations. Has little to do with working class.
I'm in favour of changing the system towards sustainable, local farming and fair pay. Currently, our Farmers still get same amount of money for a pound of meat as they did decades ago, yet every other cost such as vets, food and bureaucracy has risen exponentially. To still make a profit. something has got to give, which are the animals.
No matter what, out of a vegan and a butcher, you'll always be able to tell which one is which just by looking at them.
What documentary is Ed talking about? I can't understand the name he's saying
It's interesting that Ed looks the farmer in the eye while he talks AND listens. The farmer can't even look at Ed.
Fantastic observation
Great observation but countless amounts of times I saw the butcher look him in the eyes and speak so it’s actually a false statement
Hadi Chraim exactly... always these youtube psychologists amaze me
Hadi Chraim
Not looking someone in the eyes conveys dishonesty and uncertainty. When people are adamant about something, they look others in the eye. This is confirmed with about 5 minutes of research into very basic psychology.
Maintaining eye contact in a conversation and being intimidating and staring at someone are two different things.
Vegan is just plain rude.
"Let me respond please" ed guy has been interrupting the farmer from the start.
this was really good!
teegan W ya like a frozen cucumber on a hot summer day good
I have honestly been so angry at people for not going vegan. I think a way to counter this angry is not to just get over it. It's to educate yourself so you can explain to people why eating meat is wrong. Ed is so inspiring.
We now have Nitrogen isotope 14/15 testing that uses the collagen from long bones of humans going back as far as we've been human for; which tells us precisely how much plant and animal material we've consumed. It even tells us down to the species, it's that accurate. And for approximately 250,000 years, apart from the last 10,000, we have eaten almost exclusively ruminant animal muscle meat and associated saturated fat; with some occasional plant material for medicinal reasons, or emergency substitute food. So that is some hard science that tells us what we actually DID eat until recently. Comparative anatomy also shows us that we are evolved/designed to eat meat and fat. We cannot digest plants, we don't have multiple stomachs etc.
"Wrong" is a moving target and varies from culture to culture. Eating meat falls on line with our biological makeup. We are omnivores.
@@cicolas_nage true, we are able to survive on plants. Doesn't mean we choose to. Animals hunt each other all the time. Many animals suffer in the wild, that's just how nature works, they know that, that's life. Humans just do it in a more technologically assisted, efficient manner.
But simply put, many of us eat meat because meat is delicious. Nothing like a seasoned steak, juicy hot links or a smoked brisket. There is no debate because people make up their mind about what they choose to eat. Its their freedom and damnit, America loves it freedom. You can educate people all you want. You may turn some people, but being angry with people for not being vegan will do you no favors.
@@cicolas_nage I used to think the same; but most carnivores didn't evolve from frugivores like we did 4.5 million years ago. Our guts are not that large at all by surface area, but they are longer than most carnivores due to our past, but also due to needing to extract more nutrients from the meat. Our stomach acid is about 10 times stronger than that of a cat ( another pure carnivore); as we started by scavenging initially; so we needed much stronger acid to kill viruses and bugs and parasites etc. When we learned to hunt, we ate mostly ruminant animal muscle meat, and then we learned to cook the food as well. We don't have sharp pointy carnivore teeth, because we don't jump at animals and kill them by sinking our teeth into them. We evolved along a specific niche (like all animals). There was no need to get rid of our flat teeth! Positive and negative selection pressures didn't require it, so it didn't happen. It's very interesting stuff :) but at least the Nitrogen isotope testing does tell us unequivocally (that means without question), what we DID eat. Until recently, we ate the muscle meat of large ruminant animals almost exclusively; we don't have any hind gut fermentation or multiple stomachs to digest plants. I wish we did, then I'd happily eat fruit all day, but we don't :(
@@cicolas_nage Being a vegan kills orders of magnitude more animals than being a carnivore. A couple of animals die a year thanks to me, but thousands die for the vegan food per year. So if you want to be kind to animals, go carnivore. It's another thing that vegans need to recognise. Yes, some animals are treated badly; so yes, fix that, absolutely. But, don't make yourself sick following the wrong diet.
Wow, Ed brought that thunder at the end. Great job !
"They cannot emit more carbon than they eat" - True. But they're taking that carbon out of the ground and putting it into the air.
Plants take the carbon out of the air and put it into the ground.
Exactly
@@41PH4B3TS0UP he doesn't ask because they don't care.
@@41PH4B3TS0UP What is the alternative? The only choice besides starving to death is plants or animals. Eating plants is much better for the environment than animal products. Eating meat is just eating plants a lot less efficiently, by feeding the plants to animals and then eating the animals.
Some Guy no I think ur wrong. Cows are the most efficient carbon extracting machine on earth. Cows graze grass in a way that keeps it short so that it is constantly growing at its optimum rate sucking in huge amounts of co2 way more than what a patch of trees sucks in. If we farm cows in a way that respects how they originally lived, they would cover vasts amount of land and keep lots of grass short . So we can do this by using frequent field rotations. You see cow farming is one of the main answers to climate change but all these delusional vegans only see the argument in black and white. Sorry bad English
@@seanlaws4456 the carbon is released you fucking idiot.
Awesome as always Ed
The vegan leader
You are so patient and unbelievably knowledgable. Keep up the good work ✌
Does anyone know the name of the paper Ed was referring to at the end?
It's one of those topics where evryone knows deep down that we should all be vegan and that what we are doing is morally repugnant and harmful to the environment, but it reveals the selfishness of human nature and how our brains are so hard wired to prriorise short term pleasure over long term gain. And I am writing this comment as a meat eater who is fully aware that what I am doing is wrong. I am trying to cut down though.