Correction: In the video I referred to the motor in the M10 as a “servo motor”. I’ve since confirmed it’s actually a “stepping motor”. Servo motors typically have the advantages of faster acceleration and higher speed, as well as more precise positioning than stepping motors. More information on the differences can be found here: www.machinedesign.com/mechanical-motion-systems/article/21836868/whats-the-difference-between-servo-and-stepper-motors
Damn, I doubt this makes a great deal of difference to most but I was genuinely hoping they were servo motors. Wishful thinking for the price range I guess. Great review mate, thanks :)
@@TheMunkyMagic Woudn't worry too much for as accuforce DD is a stepper motor and had great reviews. VRS though is releasing a $800 servo midge motor which has been used in the industry so might take a look at that. Good thing for us is there are plenty of options coming out but i still have my eye on a fanatec as i want to use it on a playstation aswell as pc and it might be the deal breaker.
I like the look of the Simagic rims better than Fanatec. Simplistic and clean. Will seriously consider a purchase after the first few batches have shipped and more reviews are out. Thank you for taking the time to share the great Part 1 Will.
I wouldn’t say it’s better. The quality is about on par for most aspects. The rotary encoders definitely aren’t as good as Fanatec’s. But I do prefer the QR at least for now. We’ll see how it lasts over time.
Absolutely top quality review. My screws didn't fall out, nor did i get those 'beautiful' stickers. Thanks so much for the shout outs and the link in your description, I'm humbled and flattered. Loved seeing the inside and having someone who knows what they're talking about explain what I'm looking at. Your perspective with other wheelbases and even doing footage of them all side by side, really adds a layer to your review that gives amazing credibility and empowers your viewers to make educated decisions. Keep up the great work!
Genuine Leather is actually a grading classification of the leather. I used to think it meant "real leather", but genuine is actually speaking to the grade of it and it is on the low end of the quality spectrum.
New Zealander living in China here. I used to live in Fuzhou the same city as the pro sim racer (he's a member of Alonso's sim racing team) and RUclipsr 'GaoX'. I used the simagic wheel while visiting him once and was blown away by the quality of it. That said it's also the first DD wheel I've used. But the price here in China makes it cheaper than my TGT wheel, if it worked on PS4 I would have gone for it without a thought. Edit: holy shit, sounds like resellers are doubling the price.
Simagic wheels are about $300-350 shipped from China. Some of the cheaper fanetec wheels are $399. Would love to hear your thoughts on the cheaper fanetec wheels versus this?
AccuForce Pro V2 at $999 or Simagic M10 for $899? An extra $100 is easily worth it for my piece of mind with a proven product. I would take a chance on the M10 if it were $599.
Very interesting review and well done as usual! I can’t help but wonder what other advantages a direct drive has other than strength of FFB, since my Elite CSL has a ton of force that I keep the game FFB down to 3? Does it also give a more realistic feel otherwise?
More fidelity and faster response are the main things. People get all caught up on the strength because it’s a number they can turn into a dick measuring contest. But in reality you’ll find most people are running somewhere between 6-15NM on even the most high end wheelbases. The extra detail is the difference, but you can’t put a number on that so easily.
Thank you Will for the review. Your passion is simply the best! Can't wait for the 'Software' part - and that 'll be great if you can compare Simagic with the Fanatec!
Yeah... with motors... spinning the shaft isn't really indicative of the 'quality' or errr I'm trying to say words like 'feel' ... etc.. The motor controllers can do a couple of things with the motors when powered off... depending on the setup and how the manufacturer wants it to be. Motor controllers can have electronic braking enabled or disabled by default. Spinning the shaft won't tell you anything except if the controller has the motor contacts shorted for electric braking or not. If you get what I mean? edit... I should also add that Steppers have many more coils or steps per rotation than a Brushless DC... this will totally change the characteristic of free spinning the shaft. It's not really a size thing. More of how they're constructed and have many more pole positions for the precise control of a stepper. Good example is the NLR V3.... the electric braking is applied to the seat even when the power is removed. It's the default state. Because if they didn't you'd be able to slide around in the chair with the power off...
Thanks for the info mate. I always appreciate your expertise. I’ll definitely be talking more about the “feel” tomorrow when driving, and yes there are a lot of variables which is why I said it was an observation but not a concern for now. But still a useful way to illustrate the fundamental differences in terms of rotating mass and related inertia.
I never would buy or even consider a chinese company based wheel. They basically copy the design of other companies (which is very easy as they produce them anyway for them!) and then sell it on their own - it is systemic, also in other industries. Never will support that.
@@iseeq72 well...look. There's a couple sides to that. Companies want the profit margin of Chinese manufacturing. But not the risk of lost IP. It's a trade off. Especially in an industry where your IP isn't protected in the country where your profit margin is made. There is no way any business doesn't consider, cost and evaluate the risk of this happening. Now, from a consumer stand point, you have to consider price vs quality and fit for purpose of anything you buy. If the manufacturing process is near identical, the quality almost the same and the cost is much less. Then the equation for decision making swings. Loyalty to company branding is almost pointless today simply because, as you say, they're often copied and or made in the same factory or using identical parts. Base your purchasing decision on what you get for your money, weigh up support and its value to you (as support means more to some as it does to others). And use your dollars wisely. Principles are great n'all... But if principles about not supporting Chinese manufacturing were in the interest of all companies... they wouldn't be made in china.
@@RamjetX I am well aware of that... I've experienced companies that not only manufactured their product, they invested in building up businesses on-site as well. Only to see their offices emptied from one day to another - all blueprints stolen. And one or two years later they started to throw copied products on the market (in one case multi million dollar construction equipment). They had protected and worldwide registered designs. It is not about principles it is about a consuming behaviour that bites every single one of us in the ass at some point...
Great overview so far. Love to see your impressions of it in iRacing. The support issue is my biggest concern as well. Contact with the official folks seemed a bit snarky at times. And the whole issue around which websites and Facebook pages are official and which are not also gives a bad feel. Contact to the official Canadian reseller was similar, hard to get much of any real details currently. Hopefully they get it all sorted out as it has a lot of potential but even at its lower price compared to other DD it is still a lot to spend on a new unproven system, with potentially only dealer support.
Agreed. They have said they will offer support to anyone who buys direct from them, but are only selling direct in situations where there is no other option available. So yes, the overall customer support experience will rely heavily on who you purchase from.
Same here and the one lined response emails look very unprofessional before you have even made a purchase so can't imagine what support will look like afterward. And yeah the "loose" screws, no matter which way you look at it, just don't give a great feeling. Appreciate the great review though!
Nice review. It's interesting to see this product coming in under the price of the Accuforce wheel system. I was looking to eventually upgrade to the Accuforce or the Fanatec
Some people think disliking the video reflects the fact that the product is crap. Some people are stupid. The video is perfect, the review is just one opinion.
It’s funny. There are aspects that are better like the QR, (although it’s yet to be seen if the little contacts will stand the test of time), but then there are other aspects like the quality of the buttons, etc that are below Fanatec’s standard. But the true test will be in the software and driving experience.
Good info. I like how you refer to the torque stability, inertia and response speed in comparison to the SC and DD - gives a good idea of what you're getting!
It seems very good a great product very well done it looks strong CNC excellent parts works very well for how long? The only problem that I consider to be very risky is the internal quality of the electrical/electronic components. Chinese manufacturers in all their products install a calculated component that, after passing the warranty, will burn or break something happens and that beautiful product that had a price so accessible it does not work again if you have observed in everything happens the same no matter what it is, the clothes thread dissolved, the wires coverage of the electric cables is split on the tv a capacitor, diode, resistance burns in everything there is a control of useful time to the days of pass the guaranty end zip zip goodbye and that is a robbery to all the inhabitants of the world the biggest problem is that everything is made in China
Chinese Australian subscriber here, think it was retailed online for 500 AUD in China the last time checked which was roughly during the later half of last year. If I am not mistaken, I looked this company up a little more than one year ago and got to know that the company started off as a chip & motherboard manufacturer for DDWs, and they switched to making the whole damn thing not too long ago. Bet their R&D department is constantly striving for improvements cuz I have heard loads of positive feedbacks regarding this wheel. Also, back then when I was googling the company, I found that their English language skills presented in their socials were not sufficient enough for effectively exploiting the overseas market. It is good to see that they now have approached content makers like you to test and promote their products. It just annoys me that some people commenting here came to this video with their own agenda and biased mindset when it comes to Chinese made products. I remember seeing one ignorant imbecile saying the wheel is bound to break within two years and the company is for sure going to vanish after taking customers’ money. And if I were to reason with people like him, the convo will most likely end up with him calling the entire nation as shit. But guess what, there are tons of happy customers back in China and probably around the globe by now who are not willing to pay a ridiculous amount of money for Fanatec or Simucube products but would go for a cheaper and yet still legit DDW from Simagic.
Boosted Media yeah I know, you said that in the beginning of the video. Thanks for the review! Watched all three episodes. Good to see their appearance on your channel. Hope the company could have an improved capability to produce their products and better ability to communicate with customers outside of China.
Is there a list of distributors for the us market..only one I saw when watching this was a South East asian one..thanks for the great review..id like to take a chance on this but would like to purchase from someone state side..and maybe wait awhile to see how they hold up..great vid thanks again
Great review. Dealing with a Chinese company with hardware returns is essentially impossible and as such the dealer model was the best it was going to be I guess, but it’s a major worry. That said, all sim racing companies offer poor service - they either offer poor pre-sale service (E.g. they are completely out of stock and have nothing to sell) or they offer poor after sales service... or both. I think at £800 it’s very well priced and it’s going to be at most 50% of the cost of a Simucube once you’ve added a wheel so it will be really interesting to see the next video.
Silviu Tudorescu which is great if you have nearly €1400 to spend just on a set of pedals. For those sorts of prices I would damn well hope they have good customer service. I know they sell the cheaper sprint pedals, but they are out of stock as they OP complained.
@@silviutudorescu8114 I'm not from Canada so don't see your point 🤷♂️. Maybe some third party distributors have stock, but heusinkvelds own website is not in stock.
Daniel I you can buy them on their website, it’s common these days to ship products overseas ;) i know i went the Heusinkveld own web site also and yep still out of stock
You... well not you, Simagic lost me when the text came up saying they use glue to hold screws in. Come on China, even my eight year old would know that's dodgy AF.
Decent product by the sound of it at first glance! Though at $1800 for the base and rim here in Aus the value prospect doesn’t sound quite as good as it does in other regions, but then again I may be quite wrong!
The price point is a good indicator for now Daniel, the 'landed' cost is always more than 899usd divided by the exchange rate. We are working to get the best value for Aussies though.
$1800AUD is taking the piss.. It's already inflated at $899 USD I understand it's a complete package at this price.. But you'd be mad to go for this over a Fanatec DD1 with proper customer support and warranty
@@Megahowler82 I dunno, it depends. The DD1 delivered in Australia is $2,189....no wheel. Add on a basic wheel at $349 we are talking $2,538. That's roughly $700-$800 difference in price...nearly half of the cost of the M10. That's a little different calculation for support and warranty. I am still not 100% sold on the idea, but is a consideration with those prices, not an instant dismissal. I have a general rule of "never get the first" of anything, let others burn their fingers, but I can understand how this will be on the radar for people. Full disclosure these are both well above my hobby budget....so neither are a consideration for me anyway :)
Its cool that companies are coming in to compete in the sim racing market, and are looking to make things cheaper for us but I hate things made cheaply so it's Fanatec for me. I do wish I had the capitol and connections to start my own sim hardware company here in the good ol U.S. tho, would be great to manufacture something here. Great review so far my dude.
@@revolutionmotorsport I OWN Fanatec gear Okay, I don't give two shits about what anyone says about the gear I own when I have only good experiences with said gear. Everything on my rig is Fanatec and is very solid and easy to live with. I don't have to run a search when the quality and value is apparent to me. What setup do you run? What's your brand? I do like your motorcycle vids tho, keep on doing those.
@@boostedmedia second question was not about quick release-))) that beefy bracket you have that holds simucube motor. I use augury one, but i really like the one you have
Great that’s there’s a new player in the sim racing equipment world but worrying that a simple thing of 2 screws falling out the back, anyways great reviews as always .
Love the review mate and love the channel I’ve been subscribed sense the clubsport days✌🏻. But honest answer why would you buy a Simagic when you could buy a Simucbe Sport for the same money? obviously excluding the wheel. It just looks reallllllllllllly bad compared to the other brands.
It isn't the cheapest DD wheel on the market, Simplicity still hold that title by a good margin. Simplicity's cheapest offering is just over 70% the price of this wheel base you can get a 25Nm wheelbase from Simplicity. The difference being you can't get a full package with wheel from Simplicity so you will need to find another supplier for the wheel. Not really an issue when you consider there are plenty of options and at the low end the Simplicity wheelbase is over $800 cheaper than this package delivered to Australia. Considering the 20Nm wheelbase is only $1282 delivered to Australia by the time you source a wheel you end up with a much better option for about the same price.
43:51 ive never sat in a real car and felt the wheel just spin freely ! There is all the friction from the tyres on the ground and also the rack ! This is where belt drive always felt more akin to the real thing . I agree that it must have good software to replicate what is missing from the free spinning shaft .
That’s where the Simucube 2 Ultimate is really outstanding. It genuinely feels exactly the same as the resistance you feel in a real car when it’s powered on.
@@boostedmedia Exellent . Well done on your channel and i hope you continue to grow ! We need an Aussie SRG but known as BM Will ;) When you pulled out the verniers thats what i thought .
Nice and informative review in Barrys style :) The motor on simagic is a step motor not the same like on simucube thats why its not that smooth. Its more similar to accuforce. Actually knowing the chinese way of doing business probably its a copy of accuforce :))) It will be interesting to compare it with csw 2.5 that is on similar price.
Yep, I’ll elaborate on the characteristics of the motor more tomorrow when we look at the software. I was originally told it was a servo motor but you’re right, it’s a stepping motor.
Seems a bit odd that they will only support the product if it is sold from a specific provider, why make it available for others to sell but shirk their support of it, very odd decision.
Then add the price of their 70mm wheel hub, plus a VRS mounting bracket, then you still have to buy a wheel rim and button cluster...so that $799 VRS wheelbase suddenly isn't so affordable afterall.
$1800 vs my $300 t300 is a big step up in price. i think ill keep my t300 until it breaks. Also sounds like they increased the price since Lawrence first reviewed it so not sure what they're doing there.
@@boostedmedia I believe I recall in a video that you mentioned a Simlabs kit is coming, had you considered either of the 8020 options from the two Aussie mobs that offer them, SimFinity or TrakRacer?
@@boostedmedia Interesting. A simlabs rig would be good, but a simfinity is not going to cut the mustard and will flex at the wheelbase as bad as your current rig. After disappointments from both simfinity and trak racer, i've opted to design my own 8020 rig and have sourced all the components myself. Happy to share the model with you if you're interested?
The problem with DD...is that the average gamer CANNOT try it! How the FUK do they expect som kid to walk in and ddrop $1500? Not even peeps with jobs woudl do that...who would order something they never demo? I swear the industry isrun by numbnuts...
Simagic will offer support to customers who purchase directly through them, but are encouraging people to purchase through their local dealers, who will be responsible for supporting their customers.
"If you find Simgaic Dynamic products purchased from our web site do not perform to your needs (subject to normal wear and tear), you can return within 14 days from receipt, unused merchandise in original packaging including the complete accessories for a refund." Seriously? Unused? Also add a 15% restocking fee, and shipping. (And the 'Simgaic' typo is straight from their website too, perfect example of typical Chinese QA). Chinese made is fine for low quality/low price disposable products. The problem is, as the price of Chinese made goes up, the quality does not follow. Expect this to burn out or break inside of two years. And the company will have made their money and changed names or closed up shop by then. Personally, I'm giving this one a wide berth.
I dig the screws on the back and the wheel mounting slot. Precision engineering. Heads up. I think this is a stepping motor, not a servo. Sorry for the thumbs down. Nice wheels with a nasty copycat drive.
Correct. It’s a stepping motor not servo. Corrected in the pinned comment. Not sure why you’d give a thumbs down on the review just because you don’t like the product but ok.
Correction: In the video I referred to the motor in the M10 as a “servo motor”. I’ve since confirmed it’s actually a “stepping motor”.
Servo motors typically have the advantages of faster acceleration and higher speed, as well as more precise positioning than stepping motors.
More information on the differences can be found here:
www.machinedesign.com/mechanical-motion-systems/article/21836868/whats-the-difference-between-servo-and-stepper-motors
Damn, I doubt this makes a great deal of difference to most but I was genuinely hoping they were servo motors. Wishful thinking for the price range I guess. Great review mate, thanks :)
@@TheMunkyMagic Woudn't worry too much for as accuforce DD is a stepper motor and had great reviews. VRS though is releasing a $800 servo midge motor which has been used in the industry so might take a look at that. Good thing for us is there are plenty of options coming out but i still have my eye on a fanatec as i want to use it on a playstation aswell as pc and it might be the deal breaker.
Hi brò, pay attention... Stepper motor is not the same as hybrid stepper
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Love the "Smell Test" for the leather for the wheel rim!!
It's the little things. lol
You don't smell test Will M? Down here in Australia... smell test everything.... and I mean EVERYTHING!
RamjetX certainly saves on laundry costs.
@@boostedmedia haha
@@RamjetX I did on a couple used seats I bought off Facebook marketplace XD
I like the look of the Simagic rims better than Fanatec. Simplistic and clean.
Will seriously consider a purchase after the first few batches have shipped and more reviews are out.
Thank you for taking the time to share the great Part 1 Will.
I wouldn’t say it’s better. The quality is about on par for most aspects. The rotary encoders definitely aren’t as good as Fanatec’s. But I do prefer the QR at least for now. We’ll see how it lasts over time.
@@boostedmedia for the same price, do you recommend simagic m10 + T-LCM pedal or CSL elite F1?
Absolutely top quality review. My screws didn't fall out, nor did i get those 'beautiful' stickers. Thanks so much for the shout outs and the link in your description, I'm humbled and flattered. Loved seeing the inside and having someone who knows what they're talking about explain what I'm looking at. Your perspective with other wheelbases and even doing footage of them all side by side, really adds a layer to your review that gives amazing credibility and empowers your viewers to make educated decisions. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Laurence. :)
Genuine Leather is actually a grading classification of the leather. I used to think it meant "real leather", but genuine is actually speaking to the grade of it and it is on the low end of the quality spectrum.
I'm a little worried about the customer service aspect for sure from the emails they have sent me.
Dave Cam XD the company gets exposed. I like ur channel. You are my fav. Iracing ytber
@@stidjen_3042 Thank you. Appreciate it 👍
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this lol
Yea for a little bit more might as well go with simexperience accuforce at least knowing you get a mature platform with direct support.
Well at least they answered you guys :p I didn’t get that luxury 🤣
New Zealander living in China here. I used to live in Fuzhou the same city as the pro sim racer (he's a member of Alonso's sim racing team) and RUclipsr 'GaoX'. I used the simagic wheel while visiting him once and was blown away by the quality of it. That said it's also the first DD wheel I've used. But the price here in China makes it cheaper than my TGT wheel, if it worked on PS4 I would have gone for it without a thought.
Edit: holy shit, sounds like resellers are doubling the price.
Doubling the price? Not sure about that. They have to account for exchange rate, import taxes and duties and shipping costs.
@@boostedmedia that's true, government taxes account for a large amount of it, makes me glad to live here though.
I could get it for $950 AUD
Simagic wheels are about $300-350 shipped from China. Some of the cheaper fanetec wheels are $399. Would love to hear your thoughts on the cheaper fanetec wheels versus this?
what? You can get them that cheap? Why would I buy this for so much then
AccuForce Pro V2 at $999 or Simagic M10 for $899? An extra $100 is easily worth it for my piece of mind with a proven product. I would take a chance on the M10 if it were $599.
And Simplicity are cheaper than both options.
The Authentic Steve thanks for the info! Never heard of Simplicity so I’ll check it out
Very interesting review and well done as usual!
I can’t help but wonder what other advantages a direct drive has other than strength of FFB, since my Elite CSL has a ton of force that I keep the game FFB down to 3? Does it also give a more realistic feel otherwise?
More fidelity and faster response are the main things. People get all caught up on the strength because it’s a number they can turn into a dick measuring contest. But in reality you’ll find most people are running somewhere between 6-15NM on even the most high end wheelbases.
The extra detail is the difference, but you can’t put a number on that so easily.
From what I know, the GT4 rim will be around 506.67 USD, btw top notch review as all ways 👍🏻
Thank you Will for the review. Your passion is simply the best! Can't wait for the 'Software' part - and that 'll be great if you can compare Simagic with the Fanatec!
It’s amazing how affordable this is, sc2 with a simple rim set me back pretty much the double :o
how affordable is this? its 500+ quid?!
not long ago any dd would set you back 1000 usd :p
Thank you for the video. For me it is all about software and support.
Great review man, love the fact that you just tell the good amd bad and don't hide anything
Top quality review as usual. 👍
Yeah... with motors... spinning the shaft isn't really indicative of the 'quality' or errr I'm trying to say words like 'feel' ... etc..
The motor controllers can do a couple of things with the motors when powered off... depending on the setup and how the manufacturer wants it to be. Motor controllers can have electronic braking enabled or disabled by default. Spinning the shaft won't tell you anything except if the controller has the motor contacts shorted for electric braking or not. If you get what I mean?
edit... I should also add that Steppers have many more coils or steps per rotation than a Brushless DC... this will totally change the characteristic of free spinning the shaft. It's not really a size thing. More of how they're constructed and have many more pole positions for the precise control of a stepper.
Good example is the NLR V3.... the electric braking is applied to the seat even when the power is removed. It's the default state. Because if they didn't you'd be able to slide around in the chair with the power off...
Thanks for the info mate. I always appreciate your expertise. I’ll definitely be talking more about the “feel” tomorrow when driving, and yes there are a lot of variables which is why I said it was an observation but not a concern for now. But still a useful way to illustrate the fundamental differences in terms of rotating mass and related inertia.
I never would buy or even consider a chinese company based wheel. They basically copy the design of other companies (which is very easy as they produce them anyway for them!) and then sell it on their own - it is systemic, also in other industries. Never will support that.
@@iseeq72 well...look. There's a couple sides to that. Companies want the profit margin of Chinese manufacturing. But not the risk of lost IP. It's a trade off. Especially in an industry where your IP isn't protected in the country where your profit margin is made.
There is no way any business doesn't consider, cost and evaluate the risk of this happening.
Now, from a consumer stand point, you have to consider price vs quality and fit for purpose of anything you buy.
If the manufacturing process is near identical, the quality almost the same and the cost is much less. Then the equation for decision making swings.
Loyalty to company branding is almost pointless today simply because, as you say, they're often copied and or made in the same factory or using identical parts.
Base your purchasing decision on what you get for your money, weigh up support and its value to you (as support means more to some as it does to others). And use your dollars wisely.
Principles are great n'all... But if principles about not supporting Chinese manufacturing were in the interest of all companies... they wouldn't be made in china.
@@RamjetX I am well aware of that... I've experienced companies that not only manufactured their product, they invested in building up businesses on-site as well. Only to see their offices emptied from one day to another - all blueprints stolen. And one or two years later they started to throw copied products on the market (in one case multi million dollar construction equipment). They had protected and worldwide registered designs.
It is not about principles it is about a consuming behaviour that bites every single one of us in the ass at some point...
Great overview so far. Love to see your impressions of it in iRacing.
The support issue is my biggest concern as well. Contact with the official folks seemed a bit snarky at times. And the whole issue around which websites and Facebook pages are official and which are not also gives a bad feel. Contact to the official Canadian reseller was similar, hard to get much of any real details currently.
Hopefully they get it all sorted out as it has a lot of potential but even at its lower price compared to other DD it is still a lot to spend on a new unproven system, with potentially only dealer support.
Agreed. They have said they will offer support to anyone who buys direct from them, but are only selling direct in situations where there is no other option available.
So yes, the overall customer support experience will rely heavily on who you purchase from.
Same here and the one lined response emails look very unprofessional before you have even made a purchase so can't imagine what support will look like afterward. And yeah the "loose" screws, no matter which way you look at it, just don't give a great feeling. Appreciate the great review though!
Nice review. It's interesting to see this product coming in under the price of the Accuforce wheel system. I was looking to eventually upgrade to the Accuforce or the Fanatec
why do people dislike the vid? nice review
Unfortunately, there's some sad people who subscribe just to instantly dislike every video I upload.
Some people think disliking the video reflects the fact that the product is crap. Some people are stupid. The video is perfect, the review is just one opinion.
The quality seems better than fanatec , the qr is impressive.
It’s funny. There are aspects that are better like the QR, (although it’s yet to be seen if the little contacts will stand the test of time), but then there are other aspects like the quality of the buttons, etc that are below Fanatec’s standard.
But the true test will be in the software and driving experience.
If you want to recreate the steering of a 1982 Lotus F1 Turbo you need easily 20-25nM peaks with sustained 20-30nM through Eau Rouge (Spa-Belgium).
Good info. I like how you refer to the torque stability, inertia and response speed in comparison to the SC and DD - gives a good idea of what you're getting!
Will be interesting to see how it feels in practice tomorrow. I still haven’t driven with it yet!
Great review Will. Well done
It seems very good a great product very well done it looks strong CNC excellent parts works very well for how long? The only problem that I consider to be very risky is the internal quality of the electrical/electronic components. Chinese manufacturers in all their products install a calculated component that, after passing the warranty, will burn or break something happens and that beautiful product that had a price so accessible it does not work again if you have observed in everything happens the same no matter what it is, the clothes thread dissolved, the wires coverage of the electric cables is split on the tv a capacitor, diode, resistance burns in everything there is a control of useful time to the days of pass the guaranty end zip zip goodbye and that is a robbery to all the inhabitants of the world the biggest problem is that everything is made in China
I think these actually look better or more professional grade as you said vs the Fanatec equipment...and less flex at the QR...
Chinese Australian subscriber here, think it was retailed online for 500 AUD in China the last time checked which was roughly during the later half of last year. If I am not mistaken, I looked this company up a little more than one year ago and got to know that the company started off as a chip & motherboard manufacturer for DDWs, and they switched to making the whole damn thing not too long ago. Bet their R&D department is constantly striving for improvements cuz I have heard loads of positive feedbacks regarding this wheel. Also, back then when I was googling the company, I found that their English language skills presented in their socials were not sufficient enough for effectively exploiting the overseas market. It is good to see that they now have approached content makers like you to test and promote their products. It just annoys me that some people commenting here came to this video with their own agenda and biased mindset when it comes to Chinese made products. I remember seeing one ignorant imbecile saying the wheel is bound to break within two years and the company is for sure going to vanish after taking customers’ money. And if I were to reason with people like him, the convo will most likely end up with him calling the entire nation as shit. But guess what, there are tons of happy customers back in China and probably around the globe by now who are not willing to pay a ridiculous amount of money for Fanatec or Simucube products but would go for a cheaper and yet still legit DDW from Simagic.
For clarification they didn’t send me this to review. I borrowed it from a local reseller.
Boosted Media yeah I know, you said that in the beginning of the video. Thanks for the review! Watched all three episodes. Good to see their appearance on your channel. Hope the company could have an improved capability to produce their products and better ability to communicate with customers outside of China.
Can you do a video or tell me what sim racing cockpit these wheel base can go on? I’m looking at the Simlab GT1-EVO.
Keen to see how this stuff goes in-sim!
Is there a list of distributors for the us market..only one I saw when watching this was a South East asian one..thanks for the great review..id like to take a chance on this but would like to purchase from someone state side..and maybe wait awhile to see how they hold up..great vid thanks again
Eric Cline I’m in the same boat my friend. I would buy one today if I could actually get my hands on one
Was there a plug on the board (in the wheel base) for an optional fan?
Not that I could see. I did look for one specifically as I wondered this also.
Excellent vid Will 🙂
Great review.
Dealing with a Chinese company with hardware returns is essentially impossible and as such the dealer model was the best it was going to be I guess, but it’s a major worry. That said, all sim racing companies offer poor service - they either offer poor pre-sale service (E.g. they are completely out of stock and have nothing to sell) or they offer poor after sales service... or both.
I think at £800 it’s very well priced and it’s going to be at most 50% of the cost of a Simucube once you’ve added a wheel so it will be really interesting to see the next video.
Lee Rigby i’m sorry but the customer support from Heusinkveld is pretty great!
Silviu Tudorescu which is great if you have nearly €1400 to spend just on a set of pedals. For those sorts of prices I would damn well hope they have good customer service. I know they sell the cheaper sprint pedals, but they are out of stock as they OP complained.
Daniel I I purchased a set of sprint pedals monday, on a web site called Simulation1, i’m from Canada, you can check with them ;)
@@silviutudorescu8114 I'm not from Canada so don't see your point 🤷♂️. Maybe some third party distributors have stock, but heusinkvelds own website is not in stock.
Daniel I you can buy them on their website, it’s common these days to ship products overseas ;) i know i went the Heusinkveld own web site also and yep still out of stock
this looks very interesting... similar price to the v2.5 CS - I wonder how it compares?
I’ll comment on this in the next video :)
Boosted Media 👍👍👍
You... well not you, Simagic lost me when the text came up saying they use glue to hold screws in. Come on China, even my eight year old would know that's dodgy AF.
Decent product by the sound of it at first glance! Though at $1800 for the base and rim here in Aus the value prospect doesn’t sound quite as good as it does in other regions, but then again I may be quite wrong!
I tend to agree but will reserve judgement until I’ve had a drive tomorrow
The price point is a good indicator for now Daniel, the 'landed' cost is always more than 899usd divided by the exchange rate. We are working to get the best value for Aussies though.
$1800AUD is taking the piss.. It's already inflated at $899 USD
I understand it's a complete package at this price.. But you'd be mad to go for this over a Fanatec DD1 with proper customer support and warranty
@@Megahowler82 I dunno, it depends. The DD1 delivered in Australia is $2,189....no wheel. Add on a basic wheel at $349 we are talking $2,538. That's roughly $700-$800 difference in price...nearly half of the cost of the M10. That's a little different calculation for support and warranty. I am still not 100% sold on the idea, but is a consideration with those prices, not an instant dismissal. I have a general rule of "never get the first" of anything, let others burn their fingers, but I can understand how this will be on the radar for people. Full disclosure these are both well above my hobby budget....so neither are a consideration for me anyway :)
@@damienwatson3897 The DD1 in Australia is $1899+ $34 shipping ($1933 total)
Its cool that companies are coming in to compete in the sim racing market, and are looking to make things cheaper for us but I hate things made cheaply so it's Fanatec for me. I do wish I had the capitol and connections to start my own sim hardware company here in the good ol U.S. tho, would be great to manufacture something here. Great review so far my dude.
@@revolutionmotorsport I OWN Fanatec gear Okay, I don't give two shits about what anyone says about the gear I own when I have only good experiences with said gear. Everything on my rig is Fanatec and is very solid and easy to live with. I don't have to run a search when the quality and value is apparent to me. What setup do you run? What's your brand? I do like your motorcycle vids tho, keep on doing those.
How would it go mounting on basic frame like an Omega GT stand??
are those wheels could be used with different quick releases? noticed usb port there as well
and what mounting bracket is it on your simucube?
Simucube has the Simucube quick release. Will over 3rd party wheel support in tomorrow’s video.
@@boostedmedia second question was not about quick release-))) that beefy bracket you have that holds simucube motor. I use augury one, but i really like the one you have
Kirill Rusanov oh right. Sorry I misunderstood. It’s the HRS bracket.
@@boostedmedia they are not for sell anymore? cant find any info exept facebook page
Great that’s there’s a new player in the sim racing equipment world but worrying that a simple thing of 2 screws falling out the back, anyways great reviews as always .
Thanks for the review! Can you tell something about the dimensions and weight of the base?
i really liked the video, keep it up
PD: do you know where can i but those exact led buttons that the steering wheel has? cheers
Not sure sorry.
Love the review mate and love the channel I’ve been subscribed sense the clubsport days✌🏻. But honest answer why would you buy a Simagic when you could buy a Simucbe Sport for the same money? obviously excluding the wheel. It just looks reallllllllllllly bad compared to the other brands.
Will comment on this in the final review. I’m still undecided as of right now. Still testing.
It isn't the cheapest DD wheel on the market, Simplicity still hold that title by a good margin. Simplicity's cheapest offering is just over 70% the price of this wheel base you can get a 25Nm wheelbase from Simplicity. The difference being you can't get a full package with wheel from Simplicity so you will need to find another supplier for the wheel. Not really an issue when you consider there are plenty of options and at the low end the Simplicity wheelbase is over $800 cheaper than this package delivered to Australia. Considering the 20Nm wheelbase is only $1282 delivered to Australia by the time you source a wheel you end up with a much better option for about the same price.
I haven’t heard of that one. I’ll have to check it out!
The rear screws are glued in so they can tell when you’ve voided the warranty
Hey,
where did you get that race track wall art?
Regardless of what actual costs exist, this is a lot less exciting at $1800AU compared to hearing about this at $899USD.
Yeah it’s quite a jump.
what pedals can I get for these, like cheap pedals. someone tell me please
43:51 ive never sat in a real car and felt the wheel just spin freely ! There is all the friction from the tyres on the ground and also the rack ! This is where belt drive always felt more akin to the real thing . I agree that it must have good software to replicate what is missing from the free spinning shaft .
That’s where the Simucube 2 Ultimate is really outstanding. It genuinely feels exactly the same as the resistance you feel in a real car when it’s powered on.
@@boostedmedia Exellent . Well done on your channel and i hope you continue to grow ! We need an Aussie SRG but known as BM Will ;) When you pulled out the verniers thats what i thought .
Nice and informative review in Barrys style :) The motor on simagic is a step motor not the same like on simucube thats why its not that smooth. Its more similar to accuforce. Actually knowing the chinese way of doing business probably its a copy of accuforce :))) It will be interesting to compare it with csw 2.5 that is on similar price.
Yep, I’ll elaborate on the characteristics of the motor more tomorrow when we look at the software. I was originally told it was a servo motor but you’re right, it’s a stepping motor.
The Simagic Alpha (a 15Nm servo base) is visually a rip-off of the Simucube 2 but more expensive than the 25Nm Simucube 2 (Pro)
How much is that in the US? In china its about 490$ and with the circle wheel is about 757$ btw im studying abroad
Seems a bit odd that they will only support the product if it is sold from a specific provider, why make it available for others to sell but shirk their support of it, very odd decision.
Both of these rims look and appear higher quality than any of the Fanatec rims....
What about VRS direct drive? isnt that coming for 799 us dollars?
Then add the price of their 70mm wheel hub, plus a VRS mounting bracket, then you still have to buy a wheel rim and button cluster...so that $799 VRS wheelbase suddenly isn't so affordable afterall.
So... if you don’t need it would you like to give it away or sell it, nvm just heard you say it was a lender
Wow. Strait to asking me to give it away before you’re even 2 minutes into the video?
Yea will.. please let them know with no customer support..they are at a lost..if they trying to get there product..to the public.
Ha there was me thinking the smell of the leather on a wheel is just something only I checked
lol
Really wish it was a servo and not a step. I know they are alot cheaper but I wouldn't want to spend so much on that
So im gathering these wont work on PS4?
No. No console support afaik
$1800 vs my $300 t300 is a big step up in price. i think ill keep my t300 until it breaks. Also sounds like they increased the price since Lawrence first reviewed it so not sure what they're doing there.
According to their website it is 699 for the wheel base, you must have been looking at the Alpha DD wheel base
Time for a proper rig, that flex is junk!
It’s on its way.
@@boostedmedia I believe I recall in a video that you mentioned a Simlabs kit is coming, had you considered either of the 8020 options from the two Aussie mobs that offer them, SimFinity or TrakRacer?
BEAVIS Motorsport I have a Simfinity rig coming.
@@boostedmedia I thought you had the GTTrack cockpit. You get flex like that from the GTTrack?
@@boostedmedia Interesting. A simlabs rig would be good, but a simfinity is not going to cut the mustard and will flex at the wheelbase as bad as your current rig. After disappointments from both simfinity and trak racer, i've opted to design my own 8020 rig and have sourced all the components myself. Happy to share the model with you if you're interested?
A nutt that usually is glued in position....makes you wonder about the rest...
I thought exactly the same but couldn’t find anything else that looked “dodgy”.
I think those screws not held in by their usual glue sort of put me off and those cheap shit looking stickers, nope not for me. big F
The problem with DD...is that the average gamer CANNOT try it! How the FUK do they expect som kid to walk in and ddrop $1500? Not even peeps with jobs woudl do that...who would order something they never demo? I swear the industry isrun by numbnuts...
I agree that the lack of accessibility to try before you buy is a serious problem for the sim industry in general.
Hi second comment
8:22 that's what she said
hi first comment
Chinese made, shady warranty, no support... No worries mate! 😀😂🤣
Simagic will offer support to customers who purchase directly through them, but are encouraging people to purchase through their local dealers, who will be responsible for supporting their customers.
We will support you James 🤝
"If you find Simgaic Dynamic products purchased from our web site do not perform to your needs (subject to normal wear and tear), you can return within 14 days from receipt, unused merchandise in original packaging including the complete accessories for a refund."
Seriously? Unused? Also add a 15% restocking fee, and shipping. (And the 'Simgaic' typo is straight from their website too, perfect example of typical Chinese QA). Chinese made is fine for low quality/low price disposable products. The problem is, as the price of Chinese made goes up, the quality does not follow. Expect this to burn out or break inside of two years. And the company will have made their money and changed names or closed up shop by then. Personally, I'm giving this one a wide berth.
James Hall the truth comes out.
I dig the screws on the back and the wheel mounting slot.
Precision engineering.
Heads up. I think this is a stepping motor, not a servo.
Sorry for the thumbs down.
Nice wheels with a nasty copycat drive.
Correct. It’s a stepping motor not servo. Corrected in the pinned comment.
Not sure why you’d give a thumbs down on the review just because you don’t like the product but ok.
No support from simagic? Nope. Not worth it even at the cheaper price. Might as well go with simexperience then which is only a bit more.
To clarify, support is handled through resellers. They support resellers but not customers directly unless purchased directly through them.