Dan Onil Galang That is easily my favorite part about Ralph Fiennes’ M. No matter how much he may disagree with his agents and other comrades in certain scenes, it’s clear that he cares a great deal about them and will always have their back in spite of everything else. Bear in mind that, earlier in the movie, Q had covered for Bond when the latter was disobeying M’s direct orders, and Q had even lied directly to M about it. M had every right to be pissed off at Q (as well as Moneypenny and especially Bond) when he found out the truth from C, but instead his first reaction was to be pissed off at C for spying on his agents/employees. Later on, instead of chewing out Q and Moneypenny in the restaurant (even though by all accounts he had every right to do so), he simply warns them about C spying on them and instructs Q to delete the Smart Blood files so that at least Bond can’t be tracked. And finally, when Bond returns and reveals C’s true intentions for the Nine Eyes system, M promptly sets aside all the politics and pulls out all the stops against C. Personally I like to think M was at least partly eager to finally get back at C for messing with him and his staff, but either way, the subsequent confrontation between M and C (including M complimenting Q as you mentioned) was incredibly satisfying on so many levels.
@@LittleMissRequiem They are like an actual team, previously Bond did all the work by himself and the only thing the rest of MI6 was responsible for was briefing Bond, giving him the gadgets and passports. Since he began working with his team proper, they have played an active role as agents on the field as much as Bond did.
@@MrAsaqe Exactly. I’ve seen SPECTRE reviews on RUclips saying that M et al. were overused in the climax, which I suppose is TECHNICALLY true in that previous Bond films/eras only had them pop in once in a while to give Bond a brief assist, but I personally liked that they were given a chance to do more than just a quick assist here and there. Bond is still undeniably the main hero, but now everyone is getting more actively involved instead of just briefing Bond and sending him on his merry way. Say what you will about the rest of SPECTRE as a whole, but the overall group dynamic at MI6 was definitely one of my favorite parts.
Like Liam Neeson says in Taken: Thats what happens when you sit behind a desk. You forget things, like the weight in the hand of a gun that's loaded and one that's not.
Young Yak Not to mention it’s implied on at least two occasions that, even as a desk jockey, C only got as far as he did because he was friends with the Home Secretary in school. Tanner mentions their connection in an earlier scene (to which Bond responds with an unimpressed “of course he did”), and in the part where C tells M about the 00 program being shut down, C mentions that it was shut down because of info that C gave to the Home Secretary (hint, hint).
this is the scene where i fully accept ralph fiennes as M. he's not going to be bernard lee or judi dench but he is already on his way to become a great M.
For me it wasn’t specifically this one moment per se, but M’s entire arc throughout the whole M/C conflict really cemented Ralph Fiennes in the role for me, especially his subtle Papa Wolf attitude toward his agents and other comrades. Even when he honestly has every right to be pissed off at Bond et al., he will always have their back when it really counts and kick all kinds of ass if anyone messes with them (or any of his agents/comrades, for that matter). This scene in particular is a perfect example of that. M was already extremely pissed off at C earlier when it was revealed that C had been spying on Bond and Moneypenny, but now M knows EXACTLY who will be seeing and using all of that surveillance data on his agents (along with other untold amounts of global data), and this entire scene has M just barely holding back the urge to beat C’s ass to a bloody pulp, much more so than in any of their previous scenes together.
I've always liked Ralph Fiennes and it was great to see him get in on the action in Skyfall & Spectre, his characters military background helping out instead of always being stuck behind a desk. I can imagine when he was younger, Fiennes would have made an interesting Bond himself.
He played Amon Goth, the sadist who ran the camps in the movie Schindler's List. Was so good and realistic that actual survivors were having PTSD when they met.
1:56 That's excellent acting when he pulls the trigger. His hand tensed up, he blinked and his hand shook. These are all things you do when you're fully expecting the sound of a gun shot. Very convincing even though the actor knew it wasn't live.
Multiple takes of this scene were performed on Fiennes request, and blanks were used in the first two. The actor playing C was unaware when exactly the gun would be “unloaded”, and so would’ve tensed each time. Clever way to dupe the human body into a natural reaction. -DVD Commentary.
M was an SAS Lieutenant Colonel. I am fairly convinced that he had another C word in mind but remembered that he is supposed to be a gentleman nowadays and not a living weapon and Fiennes' acting completely sells this. He is like a coiled spring, ready to obliterate some people "with questionable taste in friends".
@@pierrebezard7547 Only French people would be silly enough to watch dubbed James Bond. "dubbed version" translates to "idiot version", for people who didn't finish elementary school.
Oh, my GOD, did they do M right this time. Don’t get me wrong; I absolutely LOVE Judi Dench as M. She was my M. I started with Goldeneye. But when they killed her in Skyfall and gave Ralph Fiennes the job, and then I saw him get an expanded role, I was just so happy.
His character works well and is a good replacement for her. Honestly I think the new Q is a valid replacement for OG Q as well. He fits a modern day kid who became a Q perfectly.
This scene has homage in casino Royale was beginning in the scene bond confront and prepare to kill the corrupt and traitor mi6 station chief Dryden and that happened again in spectre with mi6 chief m vs c
@@jamesgiles863 That was Vesper, Bond assumes it was Mathis. He turns out to be innocent at the end of Casino Royale/in Quantum. Dryden, which the original question was about, is never exonerated
I have to say, as a life-long fan of the Bond franchise, Ralph Fiennes as M is truly spectacular casting. Bernard Lee can never be truly replaced, Dame Judi Dench is an all-time favourite, and Robert Brown was a particularly good choice, bringing a great deal of pathos to the role. But Fiennes as not only a careful considered manager but also a hard man himself who can get down and dirty when his organisation and his assets are threatened is absolutely fantastic. In so much "spy" media, agents are treated as expendable, numbered units to be used and discarded as time marches on, but the reality of the situation is when you work so closely in such high stakes with people for so long, you form extremely close bonds even as you try desperately not to. They tried to show this with Dench, Brosnan, and Craig, and did a good job of it, and in portraying Dench as such a calculating tactician with a hidden soft side set up the field for Fiennes to come in as a similarly calculating tactician with perhaps more field experience as an ex-SAS man himself and a sort of brotherly love for his carefully chosen, trained, and resourced subordinates.
I think so too, TBH. I understand why some people might’ve preferred the “alternative” or simply to leave it up to the viewers’ imagination, but it would’ve been way too out-of-character for M, a tough no-nonsense professional, to make such a blatantly childish/vulgar joke in the middle of a tense stand-off with the fate of the free world on the line.
M before this scene: okay q i need you to lock max out everywhere Q: can do M: no no wait, i need you to do it right when he comes in the office and tries to log on. Q: and are you going to be sitting- M: -i’m going to be sitting right out of direct eyeline when he enters the room, yes
you realise that those bullets could have been called "ball"? :D www.fiocchi.com/en/product/9x19-mm-nato-ball-fmj-115 Thus: "When your enemy is holding your balls in his hand, you lost the match long before you arrived."
@@markdurl8341 : Definitely - after all, he's been in the British Army and tactical awareness is in his "playbook" and that alone gave him a massive advantage over "C" - work of a master!.
@@FixedWing82 Well considering in another comment you said you were too young to watch spectre and the fact that you’re subscribed to Donald Trump leaves my to believe that you have no mind at all...
@@Ben-pd2bx I’m looking through the comments I saw the other comment first and I clicked on their profile to reply to them and it gave me some information about them, if u think this is stalking then u got a lot to learn!
Naming the villain C was the most brilliant stroke of genius. EVERYONE old enough knows what it really stands for. ‘Now we know what C stands for…’ (entire cinema holds breath) ‘… careless’. (Cue laughter)
I LOVE that M does more than just talk to Bond in his office in the first act in these movies. All of Craig's Bond movies, M is all through the films and not just at the start.
I kinda like the idea that while M says “careless”, he clearly is also saying the other, obvious choice in how he says it, just brilliant delivery by Ralph Fiennes.
@@mattmclean6409 It kills the joke completely. You should have heard the reaction in the cinemas I went too. It went from laughter to dead silence with that one line.
M is more James Bond in this movie than James Bond is James Bond. His moment here reminds me of the scene with Sean Connery where he sits calmly as an assassin grabs his dropped gun to shoot at him, because he knew he was out of bullets.
I believe Daniel Craig is the most convincing and menacing Bond and he’s seriously enhanced the franchise. Such a pity that every media report seems to suggest he has disliked playing the character after his second outing in QoS. I suppose it shows what a good actor he really is because you’d never know he wasn’t enjoying it.
well it's not that he hates the role, in fact he said he loved it, however he hates the physical tension it comes with, james bond is a very demanding role, physically speaking, he found it too hard to keep up with it for 4 movies or 5.
Apart from Roger Moore, every actor seems to have complained about the part. Connery complained about his salary, Lazenby complained about the violence, Dalton complained about the typecasting. Not sure if rumours were true but I think Brosnan also (like Connery) felt he deserved more cash at times.
Craig turned into a diva who intentiobally destroyed the franchise in No Time To Die. He basically destroyed the Bond universe for no good reason other than his ego. Even the death of Felix seemed vindictive...Add to that the casting of a black female lesbian 007 just to tick PC boxes, a character who brought nothing to plot of the film at all..
*SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT:* Notice how, when C is on the phone (presumably being informed that Bond was captured but M escaped), C angrily says "Go back and find M, now! We need them both!", but when he comes face to face with M seconds later, C dismissively tells M that he (M) and Q are out of a job and are therefore trespassing (as if C thought that would scare M) and later calls M a spineless paper-pusher/politician. Of course, anyone who had already seen M (Gareth Mallory at the time) in Skyfall would know that C was dead wrong to underestimate M like that... But then the question is, if C really thought M was such a pushover... then why was he so insistent that they needed to capture M as well? And why did C try to shoot M first, instead of first trying to shoot Q who posed the more immediate threat to C's plans at the time? This, IMO, suggests that all of C's condescending talk to M throughout the film ("It's the future, and... you're not."/"...people like you, paper-pushers and politicians, are too spineless..."/"But then, isn’t that what M stands for? Moron?"/"You don't matter anymore."/etc.) was just a mask/projection to hide C's own insecurities, when in fact there was always some part of C that was intimidated by M from the get-go, possibly even suspecting (but never openly admitting said suspicions) that M could and would stop them one way or another unless SPECTRE got rid of him ASAP.
I think shooting Q was a wrong move at that moment. I really doubt that C had technical competence to quickly bring the system back online. And Q was the perfect solution because he caused all this. Killing his boss right before his eyes would no doubt scare him. And no matter how much C really believed in his "past vs future" bullshit, M held too much information and had too much connections/influence to just let him go. Even if outlawed, he would remain a threat. If not to the new system, then to C directly.
@@Caribeancrysis That is a very interesting point. It’s hard to say whether or not C would’ve had enough technical know-how to rebuild the Nine Eyes system as you mentioned because we never actually see him doing any direct computer programming in the film, but it WAS heavily implied early on that C only got his job in the first place because he was friends with the Home Secretary, so probably not. And I definitely agree with you on C knowing M would pose too much of a threat one way or another to risk letting him go. As for your other point, while I’m not sure if killing M would’ve necessarily scared Q enough to make him comply with C’s demands (though maybe he might fake C out by pretending to do so but instead secretly destroying the system and/or buying time through an alternate method), from C’s perspective if we assume C can’t rebuild the system himself, it would make sense to at least have one less enemy to deal with before making any attempt to threaten Q. (The only other option in theory would’ve been to try to use M as a hostage to make Q rebuild it, but that would’ve been a stupid move given M’s military background and C’s implied lack of combat experience.) All in all, it does make a lot more sense when you put it that way. Thanks for the reply!
y'know, I always assumed Q had done that deliberately - one last, little "I am a Digital God" moment before shutting him down. Kind of like a police officer dangling the house keys in front of the perp, then stepping aside to let the battering ram hit the front door.
I do like the little homage paid in this film. The real Chief of MI6 is known as "C" - its a tradition that all correspondence from the Chief is signed simply with the letter "C" in green ink, this goes back to the very first Chief of MI6 in 1909, Captain Sir Mansfield Smith-Cumming, who historically signed everything using just the letter "C" for Cumming, in green ink!! The tradition continues today, although the "C" stands simply for "Chief" :)
This is what I like in the most recent Bond films: Bond himself isn't the only one wielding a gun anymore, but characters like Moneypenny and even M have started to take more active role alongside 007 - they don't just sit behind their desks in the HQ anymore
Man, if they had just left it at "Now we know what C stands for....", it would have been such an epic line. The 'careless' clarification just took all the fun out of it.
Reminds me of Casino Royale's opening, when Dryden finds out Bond's unloaded his gun. Good stuff - and I agree that they should have left the line at "And now we know what C stands for," and cut the rest, that one-liner would have fit in just fine with the rest of the series.
That scene where Denbigh pulls out the gun and it's reminds me of the pre-title scene in Casino Royale when Dryden tries to do the same with Bond. Just realized it. 😮
I gotta say this caught me completely off guard. Back then I had been off of movies, books and entertainment in general for about 6 or 7 years. I was fully dedicated to academia when I found myself cheering out for mr Fiennes becoming our modern age M. I never saw it coming but I cheered for him like a school kid!
Can't decide if introducing a figure of authority called C who then faces off (and loses) against M should be seen as a subtle dig at le Carré or not...
I love M in Spectre. I disagree with the direction they took him in, in No Time to Die. I feel it was a big contradiction to have him so vehemently opposed to the surveillance macguffin in this film, and then be a proponent of the biological warfare macguffin in the next.
Ugh, I can’t believe it’s been 5 years since the last Bond movie. If No Time To Die gets postponed again, I won’t be putting up my Christmas tree this year.
I like how it mimic's Daniel Craig's entrance although I like how M goes to the extent of taking the bullets out rather than just taking out the magazine
You know, the interesting thing about this M is that everybody knows his real name. Nobody knew Bernard Lee's real name, Robert Brown's or Judi Dench's
In Skyfall, there is a scene on the rooftop Where Eve Moneypenny gives Bond a box of M's personal effects that she left to him. The name on the box says 'Olivia Mansfield'.
@@scotthamp384 Yes; her successor is called Gareth Mallory. If you look at Judi Dench's filmography On Wikipedia, she is credited for Skyfall as 'M (Olivia Mansfield)'. Incidentally, Olivia is Dench's middle name. It should be noted that the original head of MI6 was Mansfield Smith-Cummings, who was known as 'C'.
@@scotthamp384 Bernard Lee’s M was Vice Admiral Miles Messervy KCMG. It’s unknown if Robert Brown’s M was a continuation of Lee’s, a reprisal of Admiral Hargreaves from TSWLM, or a completely new M. M stands for Missions, and it’s just a coincidence that the surnames all began with the same letter.
Bond & Blofeld brotherhood is a very cheesy idea. Ironically, Jason Bourne movie repeat the same mistake a year later, when they make Bourne's dad impotant person of the project. Sometimes I don't understand Hollywood. But despite that flaw, M & C dynamics is much more thrilling to watch.
Radix WP Definitely agree with you regarding M vs C. Say what you will about the rest of the movie, but their conflict alone comprised most of the best scenes in it.
"Poor taste in friends" is the most British way of saying "treason" in human history.
to be honest I would say "Off with his head" is closer, but fair enough
@@camicus-3249 That seems french
@@hostilewt6407 It’d be as much French Guillotines, as Medieval English executioners
@@PJOZeus This entire exchange beneath a Bond moment has been exquisite.
It kind of reminds me of how Democrats and John McCain made friends with radical islamic terrorists in Syria.
"And now we know what 'C' stands for..." (suddenly remembers this isn't an R-rated movie) "...*careless*."
We were on the verge of greatness, we were THIS close!
Remembers that he is in In Bruges today...
@@simonmandrakejones He's great in that, but it's a _very_ different role!
@@R0ssMM Well, it was a joke. Just like no one assumes he also wants to kill Harry Potter.
somewhere, Butcher smiles watching this movie.
"No, but my Quartermaster is, and he's extremely talented."
M being proud of Q like a dad.
Love the new M, Moneypenny and Q. Can't wait to see them back in no time to die 😁
Dan Onil Galang
That is easily my favorite part about Ralph Fiennes’ M. No matter how much he may disagree with his agents and other comrades in certain scenes, it’s clear that he cares a great deal about them and will always have their back in spite of everything else.
Bear in mind that, earlier in the movie, Q had covered for Bond when the latter was disobeying M’s direct orders, and Q had even lied directly to M about it. M had every right to be pissed off at Q (as well as Moneypenny and especially Bond) when he found out the truth from C, but instead his first reaction was to be pissed off at C for spying on his agents/employees. Later on, instead of chewing out Q and Moneypenny in the restaurant (even though by all accounts he had every right to do so), he simply warns them about C spying on them and instructs Q to delete the Smart Blood files so that at least Bond can’t be tracked. And finally, when Bond returns and reveals C’s true intentions for the Nine Eyes system, M promptly sets aside all the politics and pulls out all the stops against C. Personally I like to think M was at least partly eager to finally get back at C for messing with him and his staff, but either way, the subsequent confrontation between M and C (including M complimenting Q as you mentioned) was incredibly satisfying on so many levels.
@@LittleMissRequiem They are like an actual team, previously Bond did all the work by himself and the only thing the rest of MI6 was responsible for was briefing Bond, giving him the gadgets and passports. Since he began working with his team proper, they have played an active role as agents on the field as much as Bond did.
@@MrAsaqe Exactly. I’ve seen SPECTRE reviews on RUclips saying that M et al. were overused in the climax, which I suppose is TECHNICALLY true in that previous Bond films/eras only had them pop in once in a while to give Bond a brief assist, but I personally liked that they were given a chance to do more than just a quick assist here and there. Bond is still undeniably the main hero, but now everyone is getting more actively involved instead of just briefing Bond and sending him on his merry way. Say what you will about the rest of SPECTRE as a whole, but the overall group dynamic at MI6 was definitely one of my favorite parts.
@@LittleMissRequiem Bottom line: M looks out for his team.
We all thought we knew what C stood for.. until we got it wrong.
@Danesh PALKHIWALLA [13W] Everyone.
Danesh PALKHIWALLA [13W] X3
Coward would've been a better word...
@Danesh PALKHIWALLA [13W] It still is.
We didn't get it wrong, M did.
Ralph Fiennes as M was one hell of a casting!
when MI6 has Voldemort as their M, you know shit got real... :D
he was considered to be Bond in the 90s.
@@johnkennethwiseman682 he was too young then
@@nettraveller81 i dont know.
he as amon goeth probably one of best castings ever
Together, the three of them form a "Multiple Choice Question."
Got a good chuckle out of me.
@@munmunyee me too 😄
Quite clever. lol ;)
Lmaooooo
Like Liam Neeson says in Taken: Thats what happens when you sit behind a desk. You forget things, like the weight in the hand of a gun that's loaded and one that's not.
Had that exact thought.
Yeah except this douche bag never learned those things. He was always a desk jockey. M on the hand was in the army and had been around the block.
Yes, considerably)
The longer I sit in this room I grow softer. Every moment Charlie squats in the bush he grows stronger.
-Captain Willard
Apocalypse Now
Young Yak Not to mention it’s implied on at least two occasions that, even as a desk jockey, C only got as far as he did because he was friends with the Home Secretary in school. Tanner mentions their connection in an earlier scene (to which Bond responds with an unimpressed “of course he did”), and in the part where C tells M about the 00 program being shut down, C mentions that it was shut down because of info that C gave to the Home Secretary (hint, hint).
this is the scene where i fully accept ralph fiennes as M. he's not going to be bernard lee or judi dench but he is already on his way to become a great M.
I thought it was the moment where Bond winked at M earlier on.
Yep same. To me this cemented his role as M.
For me it wasn’t specifically this one moment per se, but M’s entire arc throughout the whole M/C conflict really cemented Ralph Fiennes in the role for me, especially his subtle Papa Wolf attitude toward his agents and other comrades. Even when he honestly has every right to be pissed off at Bond et al., he will always have their back when it really counts and kick all kinds of ass if anyone messes with them (or any of his agents/comrades, for that matter).
This scene in particular is a perfect example of that. M was already extremely pissed off at C earlier when it was revealed that C had been spying on Bond and Moneypenny, but now M knows EXACTLY who will be seeing and using all of that surveillance data on his agents (along with other untold amounts of global data), and this entire scene has M just barely holding back the urge to beat C’s ass to a bloody pulp, much more so than in any of their previous scenes together.
If they don't ruin the series first with all the woke bullshit, yeah he would be good.
He is the no nonsense M
"And now we know what C stands for"
points at his face
"Chihuahua"
Good one lol
This made me chuckle lmao
Haha Gold 😂
Damn Andrew scott is really only 5 foot 6 ish
I've always liked Ralph Fiennes and it was great to see him get in on the action in Skyfall & Spectre, his characters military background helping out instead of always being stuck behind a desk.
I can imagine when he was younger, Fiennes would have made an interesting Bond himself.
He was considered for bond in goldeneye
He played Amon Goth, the sadist who ran the camps in the movie Schindler's List. Was so good and realistic that actual survivors were having PTSD when they met.
@@bentencho He was superb in that film... such a great actor to be able to make such a dreadful character so utterly compelling.
"I pardon you 🤞" 😬
M would would out rank Bond? Confused
would be interesting to see a prequel of M when he was an agent
oh hello Moriarty
“Did you miss me?”
my name is Tom Riddle
now you know what M really stands for..... Moriarty
@@dasguptaarup8684 or moron
😁😁
1:56
That's excellent acting when he pulls the trigger.
His hand tensed up, he blinked and his hand shook. These are all things you do when you're fully expecting the sound of a gun shot.
Very convincing even though the actor knew it wasn't live.
Multiple takes of this scene were performed on Fiennes request, and blanks were used in the first two. The actor playing C was unaware when exactly the gun would be “unloaded”, and so would’ve tensed each time. Clever way to dupe the human body into a natural reaction.
-DVD Commentary.
@@iansinoz56 That's awesome :)
Omg fucking CRINGE
@@GeorgeTropicana No, just basic psychology and theory of mind.
@@FederationStarShip no, it's the definition of cringe
M: "And now we know what “C” stands for..."
M: "Chav."
C: U wot m8?
Me: Cunt
M: .... Coward
M was an SAS Lieutenant Colonel. I am fairly convinced that he had another C word in mind but remembered that he is supposed to be a gentleman nowadays and not a living weapon and Fiennes' acting completely sells this. He is like a coiled spring, ready to obliterate some people "with questionable taste in friends".
He had only what the script writers gave him in mind
Voldemort vs Moriarty
And Voldy didn't just avada Kedavra him, just a little expelliarmus on Jim.
@@bennyice that "careless" line seemed pretty Avada Kedavra to me :D
Voldemort with Paddington bear
Moriarty vs Moriarty actually ...
Francis Dolarhyde vs Moriarty
"now we know what c stands for"
Me: oh? 🤨
"Careless"
Me: oh... 😒
🤣🤣🤣
In the French-dubbed version, he says "clown"
Why do kids type in paragraphs rather than actual sentences?
It's quite weird.
@@pierrebezard7547 Only French people would be silly enough to watch dubbed James Bond.
"dubbed version" translates to "idiot version", for people who didn't finish elementary school.
@@OriginalPuro Il n'y a pas de traduction de "Careless" en C ... Et je trouve "Careless" insipide
Oh, my GOD, did they do M right this time. Don’t get me wrong; I absolutely LOVE Judi Dench as M. She was my M. I started with Goldeneye. But when they killed her in Skyfall and gave Ralph Fiennes the job, and then I saw him get an expanded role, I was just so happy.
Your exuberance is refreshing
His character works well and is a good replacement for her. Honestly I think the new Q is a valid replacement for OG Q as well. He fits a modern day kid who became a Q perfectly.
@@breckfoster767 Agreed. He is the sort of Quartermaster you'd expect MI6 to employ now.
This scene has homage in casino Royale was beginning in the scene bond confront and prepare to kill the corrupt and traitor mi6 station chief Dryden and that happened again in spectre with mi6 chief m vs c
Actually he wasnt a traitor, which becomes known in skyfall.
@@appleskum6520 When? I don't remember that bit. Are you thinking of Mathis in Quantum?
@@KBhattacharya13 Mathias gives bond away in casino royale right at the end
@@jamesgiles863 That was Vesper, Bond assumes it was Mathis. He turns out to be innocent at the end of Casino Royale/in Quantum. Dryden, which the original question was about, is never exonerated
I have to say, as a life-long fan of the Bond franchise, Ralph Fiennes as M is truly spectacular casting. Bernard Lee can never be truly replaced, Dame Judi Dench is an all-time favourite, and Robert Brown was a particularly good choice, bringing a great deal of pathos to the role. But Fiennes as not only a careful considered manager but also a hard man himself who can get down and dirty when his organisation and his assets are threatened is absolutely fantastic.
In so much "spy" media, agents are treated as expendable, numbered units to be used and discarded as time marches on, but the reality of the situation is when you work so closely in such high stakes with people for so long, you form extremely close bonds even as you try desperately not to. They tried to show this with Dench, Brosnan, and Craig, and did a good job of it, and in portraying Dench as such a calculating tactician with a hidden soft side set up the field for Fiennes to come in as a similarly calculating tactician with perhaps more field experience as an ex-SAS man himself and a sort of brotherly love for his carefully chosen, trained, and resourced subordinates.
tbf, when is Ralph Fiennes ever not spectacularly casted? Dude slays every role.
despite how great dame Judi Dench was as M, Ralph Fiennes' snarky yet indomitably serious portayal of M is just as brilliant
Omg this fuckin Ioser actually said dame
A master of acting vs a new actor destined to be a master himself.
Our favourite Moriarty showing yet again, he’s a bloody awesome actor!
“And now we know what ‘C’ stands for... Checkmate"
My entire theatre laughed when he said Now we know what C stands for 😂
So did mine. And it was in Scotland, so we definitely knew what he was referring to even if he didn't say it.
The comeback with C wasn't vulgar purposefully, to show the difference between the villain and the classy M.
I think so too, TBH. I understand why some people might’ve preferred the “alternative” or simply to leave it up to the viewers’ imagination, but it would’ve been way too out-of-character for M, a tough no-nonsense professional, to make such a blatantly childish/vulgar joke in the middle of a tense stand-off with the fate of the free world on the line.
@@LittleMissRequiem Now we know what M stands for… Mature.
@@ianchandler4649 Yes indeed. 😎
“And now we know what ‘C’ stands for - careless”
- Ah! Not what I thought then 🤭
I was really hoping Ralph Fienes would say cunt, he says it better than most actors.
Oh but that was definitely the joke.
If only m shot the kid in the knee after he called him careless I would’ve died laughing
M before this scene: okay q i need you to lock max out everywhere
Q: can do
M: no no wait, i need you to do it right when he comes in the office and tries to log on.
Q: and are you going to be sitting-
M: -i’m going to be sitting right out of direct eyeline when he enters the room, yes
Never has a C-word been so brilliantly dropped...
When your enemy is holding your bullets in his hand, you lost the match long before you arrived.
Nani!?!
you realise that those bullets could have been called "ball"? :D www.fiocchi.com/en/product/9x19-mm-nato-ball-fmj-115
Thus: "When your enemy is holding your balls in his hand, you lost the match long before you arrived."
my guess is M is a hell of a chess player
@@markdurl8341 : Definitely - after all, he's been in the British Army and tactical awareness is in his "playbook" and that alone gave him a massive advantage over "C" - work of a master!.
it reflects back to the opening scene in Casino Royale i think
TBF I really liked how Skyfall and Spectre gave M a more active role, not just someone who gives Bond missions.
imagine getting arrested for having a poor taste in friends
my mother was right
Why was your mother arrested?
It’s a very british euphemism for treason.
My favourite moment in this film
They Should've cut the "Careless" part. It would've been hilarious
If you're a fifteen-year-old, then yes
@Robert Taylor Men's minds never make it past 13.
@@FixedWing82 Well considering in another comment you said you were too young to watch spectre and the fact that you’re subscribed to Donald Trump leaves my to believe that you have no mind at all...
I'd have been like wait... that's not how you spell fucked?!
@@Ben-pd2bx I’m looking through the comments I saw the other comment first and I clicked on their profile to reply to them and it gave me some information about them, if u think this is stalking then u got a lot to learn!
M pulled the same trick Bond pulled at the start of Casino Royale, nice little touch!
Naming the villain C was the most brilliant stroke of genius. EVERYONE old enough knows what it really stands for. ‘Now we know what C stands for…’ (entire cinema holds breath) ‘… careless’. (Cue laughter)
I LOVE that M does more than just talk to Bond in his office in the first act in these movies.
All of Craig's Bond movies, M is all through the films and not just at the start.
Do you ever watch canadian stuff?
M: "And now we know what C stands for."
Audience: "Wow that's a sick bur-"
M: "Careless"
Audience: "... Yes that is exactly what I was thinking."
Series kicked up a gear when Ralph Fiennes took over as M, with the supporting characters being more use that just initial exposition
I kinda like the idea that while M says “careless”, he clearly is also saying the other, obvious choice in how he says it, just brilliant delivery by Ralph Fiennes.
M: And Now we know what c stands for?
US Audience: "C--T"
They should have let the "c" joke silent.
I agree!
You get it, dude.
It still works because of the pause M leaves before saying careless.
@@mattmclean6409 It kills the joke completely. You should have heard the reaction in the cinemas I went too. It went from laughter to dead silence with that one line.
Really love the background music used in this scene
I agree with you.
M is more James Bond in this movie than James Bond is James Bond. His moment here reminds me of the scene with Sean Connery where he sits calmly as an assassin grabs his dropped gun to shoot at him, because he knew he was out of bullets.
I believe Daniel Craig is the most convincing and menacing Bond and he’s seriously enhanced the franchise. Such a pity that every media report seems to suggest he has disliked playing the character after his second outing in QoS. I suppose it shows what a good actor he really is because you’d never know he wasn’t enjoying it.
QoS was his best performance imo
well it's not that he hates the role, in fact he said he loved it, however he hates the physical tension it comes with, james bond is a very demanding role, physically speaking, he found it too hard to keep up with it for 4 movies or 5.
Apart from Roger Moore, every actor seems to have complained about the part. Connery complained about his salary, Lazenby complained about the violence, Dalton complained about the typecasting. Not sure if rumours were true but I think Brosnan also (like Connery) felt he deserved more cash at times.
Craig turned into a diva who intentiobally destroyed the franchise in No Time To Die. He basically destroyed the Bond universe for no good reason other than his ego. Even the death of Felix seemed vindictive...Add to that the casting of a black female lesbian 007 just to tick PC boxes, a character who brought nothing to plot of the film at all..
@@peterevans8194 The franchise is hardly destroyed, there'll be plenty more films.
*SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT:*
Notice how, when C is on the phone (presumably being informed that Bond was captured but M escaped), C angrily says "Go back and find M, now! We need them both!", but when he comes face to face with M seconds later, C dismissively tells M that he (M) and Q are out of a job and are therefore trespassing (as if C thought that would scare M) and later calls M a spineless paper-pusher/politician. Of course, anyone who had already seen M (Gareth Mallory at the time) in Skyfall would know that C was dead wrong to underestimate M like that...
But then the question is, if C really thought M was such a pushover... then why was he so insistent that they needed to capture M as well? And why did C try to shoot M first, instead of first trying to shoot Q who posed the more immediate threat to C's plans at the time?
This, IMO, suggests that all of C's condescending talk to M throughout the film ("It's the future, and... you're not."/"...people like you, paper-pushers and politicians, are too spineless..."/"But then, isn’t that what M stands for? Moron?"/"You don't matter anymore."/etc.) was just a mask/projection to hide C's own insecurities, when in fact there was always some part of C that was intimidated by M from the get-go, possibly even suspecting (but never openly admitting said suspicions) that M could and would stop them one way or another unless SPECTRE got rid of him ASAP.
I think shooting Q was a wrong move at that moment. I really doubt that C had technical competence to quickly bring the system back online. And Q was the perfect solution because he caused all this. Killing his boss right before his eyes would no doubt scare him.
And no matter how much C really believed in his "past vs future" bullshit, M held too much information and had too much connections/influence to just let him go. Even if outlawed, he would remain a threat. If not to the new system, then to C directly.
@@Caribeancrysis That is a very interesting point. It’s hard to say whether or not C would’ve had enough technical know-how to rebuild the Nine Eyes system as you mentioned because we never actually see him doing any direct computer programming in the film, but it WAS heavily implied early on that C only got his job in the first place because he was friends with the Home Secretary, so probably not. And I definitely agree with you on C knowing M would pose too much of a threat one way or another to risk letting him go.
As for your other point, while I’m not sure if killing M would’ve necessarily scared Q enough to make him comply with C’s demands (though maybe he might fake C out by pretending to do so but instead secretly destroying the system and/or buying time through an alternate method), from C’s perspective if we assume C can’t rebuild the system himself, it would make sense to at least have one less enemy to deal with before making any attempt to threaten Q. (The only other option in theory would’ve been to try to use M as a hostage to make Q rebuild it, but that would’ve been a stupid move given M’s military background and C’s implied lack of combat experience.)
All in all, it does make a lot more sense when you put it that way. Thanks for the reply!
"And now we know what C stands for
Cute"
M looks directly at camera*
@@brandondoe4673 women in the audience: *blushes* oh shush you!😅😂
One of the only moments I like in the new movies. It's nice getting to see Q and M be a badass for once.
didn't need to add the careless part,
that line got a big laugh in the cinema,
all of us think it stood for C#&T 😂😂😂😉
I did too
I still expect him to say it even though I've seen this so many times 😂
Petition to add (In loving memory of Sean Connery 1930-2020) at the end of no time to die right before the credits roll
I will imagine that's been done.
You should probably do that on Change.org not a RUclips comment section.
I am almost certain that they will.
Also Sir Roger Moore
Andrew Scott is such an amazing actor.
I hope Ralph Fiennes continues as M after the end of the Craig saga
We now know that the bond series is nothing but an alternative reality in which Voldemort didn't lose his nose
I remember everyone in the cinema loved this scene. We all laughed when M said "now we know what C stands for" it was bloody brilliant
The Head of the goddamn Joint Security just lets his open laptop with pre-writed password on the table in unlocked office
*truly careless*
y'know, I always assumed Q had done that deliberately - one last, little "I am a Digital God" moment before shutting him down. Kind of like a police officer dangling the house keys in front of the perp, then stepping aside to let the battering ram hit the front door.
@James Smith or with the classic 1234 password :D
I think Bond's laptop would be impossible to get into you'd be sat there for eons trying the password while he smirks watching.
The easiest way to break into computers and locked doors when someone writes down the code for anyone to see cause they keep forgetting it 😂😂😂
I do like the little homage paid in this film. The real Chief of MI6 is known as "C" - its a tradition that all correspondence from the Chief is signed simply with the letter "C" in green ink, this goes back to the very first Chief of MI6 in 1909, Captain Sir Mansfield Smith-Cumming, who historically signed everything using just the letter "C" for Cumming, in green ink!! The tradition continues today, although the "C" stands simply for "Chief" :)
"We all know what C stands for"
Me: KUZCO, right, the poison to kill kuzco...
Andrew Scott was spectacular, as he was as James Moriarty. Such a shame he got so little recognition
Should have just left it as “We know what ‘C’ stands for”. I’ve got another great one, 4 Letters, something about next Tuesday.
This is what I like in the most recent Bond films: Bond himself isn't the only one wielding a gun anymore, but characters like Moneypenny and even M have started to take more active role alongside 007 - they don't just sit behind their desks in the HQ anymore
The absolute pleasure of "I got here first." While he was at it, M should have dropped a load of tacks on his chair.
M: "And now we know what 'C' stands for..."
Me: "Cun..-"
M: "Careless."
"Me: "Careless."
Now much as I like Fienne's M, imagine how this would've gone if we were still dealing with Judi Dench.
Man, if they had just left it at "Now we know what C stands for....", it would have been such an epic line. The 'careless' clarification just took all the fun out of it.
Reminds me of Casino Royale's opening, when Dryden finds out Bond's unloaded his gun. Good stuff - and I agree that they should have left the line at "And now we know what C stands for," and cut the rest, that one-liner would have fit in just fine with the rest of the series.
there were a lot of scenes in Spectre where they paid homage to scenes from other bond movies in the Craig era! This was definitely one of them.
This kind of confrontation is ALWAYS more enjoyable than a 15 minute overblown fight.
That scene where Denbigh pulls out the gun and it's reminds me of the pre-title scene in Casino Royale when Dryden tries to do the same with Bond. Just realized it. 😮
Excellently mirrors it
I gotta say this caught me completely off guard. Back then I had been off of movies, books and entertainment in general for about 6 or 7 years. I was fully dedicated to academia when I found myself cheering out for mr Fiennes becoming our modern age M. I never saw it coming but I cheered for him like a school kid!
Well I guess Moriarty didn’t need the reminder that he was dealing with one of the darkest wizards that was trigger happy with the killing curse.
The whole dialogue is so British, wonderful, if two Americans had exactly the same scene it wouldn’t be as good.
He ruined such an awesome moment by saying “careless”
Should've said
'Cun-' then cut
No, it's clever! You expect the expletive, but you get a comeback that fits the situation.
@@petergivenbless900 eh, would've preferred if we got the alternate
That’s the joke, ugh.
Careless or callous?
Gotta love Ralph ...brilliant! ...fascinating!!
We love you James..
Absolute masterstroke putting Ralph Fiennes as M. Perfect for the role and class.
"You want to throw away power for such pitiful things as FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY and JUSTICE. How moronic."
- the villain in anything
I love how he uses the same trick Bond uses in the casino royale opening
Can't decide if introducing a figure of authority called C who then faces off (and loses) against M should be seen as a subtle dig at le Carré or not...
I love M in Spectre. I disagree with the direction they took him in, in No Time to Die. I feel it was a big contradiction to have him so vehemently opposed to the surveillance macguffin in this film, and then be a proponent of the biological warfare macguffin in the next.
We all knew that Voldemort knew Moriarty was a bigger risk to the world than he is.
I think we all know what C was meant to stand for
Literally can NOT wait!!!!! 😫😝
Ugh, I can’t believe it’s been 5 years since the last Bond movie. If No Time To Die gets postponed again, I won’t be putting up my Christmas tree this year.
I guess you'll have to watch No Time to Die another day.
@@mmjahink haha, we can only hope mate.
M: and now we know what “C“ stands for
Censors: don’t you dare!
M: careless.
Censors: …. As you were
Bond...
James bond.
The subtitles had me concerned 😟
C: "On what grounds exactly"
M: "Poor tasting friends" 🧛
Gareth Mallory gets the best line in the film ☺️
I like how it mimic's Daniel Craig's entrance although I like how M goes to the extent of taking the bullets out rather than just taking out the magazine
It gave me Taken vibes, Liam Neeson pulled this trick with unloading the magazine.
This was basically a throwback to Casino Royale's opening scene
😏 minus the black and white filter 😎
Just realized that and came here to find that comment🔥
Title: M vs C
Me: Marvel vs Capcom
You know, the interesting thing about this M is that everybody knows his real name. Nobody knew Bernard Lee's real name, Robert Brown's or Judi Dench's
In Skyfall, there is a scene on the rooftop Where Eve Moneypenny gives Bond a box of M's personal effects that she left to him. The name on the box says 'Olivia Mansfield'.
@@Christian_Jones wtf? I've that movie a couple dozen times and never noticed that. So, the M is their last name?
@@scotthamp384 Yes; her successor is called Gareth Mallory. If you look at Judi Dench's filmography On Wikipedia, she is credited for Skyfall as 'M (Olivia Mansfield)'. Incidentally, Olivia is Dench's middle name.
It should be noted that the original head of MI6 was Mansfield Smith-Cummings, who was known as 'C'.
@@Christian_Jones then I wonder what the names of Bernard Lee's and Robert Brown's M's are
@@scotthamp384 Bernard Lee’s M was Vice Admiral Miles Messervy KCMG. It’s unknown if Robert Brown’s M was a continuation of Lee’s, a reprisal of Admiral Hargreaves from TSWLM, or a completely new M.
M stands for Missions, and it’s just a coincidence that the surnames all began with the same letter.
Still quite surprised that Mark Gatiss, Patrick Stewart or Richard Grant haven't become part of the Bond franchise
They should've ended that last line at "Now we know what C stands for."
I went from "WHOA HAHAHAHA" to "Oh".
one of the rare good parts in the film.
Ohh man. They should have left out the "Careless" line.
Score at this segment is 🔥
This isn't "M vs C"
This is "Chitchat with M and C"
Love the callback to the opening of casino royal
now we know what C stands for
"COCA COLA!!!"
I had to come back watch this after what just happened in Capital building in US with democracy being mentioned reminded me of this scene with 'C'
Bond & Blofeld brotherhood is a very cheesy idea. Ironically, Jason Bourne movie repeat the same mistake a year later, when they make Bourne's dad impotant person of the project. Sometimes I don't understand Hollywood.
But despite that flaw, M & C dynamics is much more thrilling to watch.
The whole Darth Vader is Lukes father thing was great... at the time. All family twists after that were all shit.
Radix WP Definitely agree with you regarding M vs C. Say what you will about the rest of the movie, but their conflict alone comprised most of the best scenes in it.
How convenient that bond isn't a Hollywood production
For a second I wasn't sure what Moriarty was doing in the Bond universe...
Harry hasn’t used the C word since he took that god awful trip to Bruges.