LIVE | Apple River stabbing trial: Nicolae Miu - Day 3
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2024
- Nicolae Miu, 54, is facing charges of first-degree intentional homicide for the death of 17-year-old Isaac Schuman and multiple counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide for his alleged role in the stabbings on the Apple River in Wisconsin on July 30, 2022.
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I don’t think Miu said anything about little girls because NOT ONE of the teenagers mentioned such a critical piece of information to the cops at the time of the incident. If he truly made such a comment, don’t you think it would’ve been the first statement they would’ve made to police? I personally think they came up with that way after the fact to justify their claims of rap&) and pedo*^%#. Also, it’s just so fishy how they used the same language to describe how he said “something weird about little girls” like they rehearsed it. I think they’re totally in cahoots and lying in an effort to excuse their cruel harassment of Miu because they saw how bad it looked after the fact in the video. If they truly thought he was a threat, they wouldn’t be laughing, cat calling etc. They didn’t seem in the least in fear for their lives. They were havng fun at the expense of Miu. It was sport to them. That video, in its totality, says it all. It kills the state’s claims. In fact, I’m surprised the state even went to trial with this case because usually the state doesn’t take a case unless it’s iron clad. That’s why prosecutors win something like 90% of cases. I could be slightly off about that percentage, but it’s something like that. This is all just my opinion. It’s tragic on many levels.
I agree. It's highly frustrating that they have had time to collaborate and come up with a story line. Frankly, I don't believe he hit the Maddy girl because had he the police would have absolutely taken pictures.
It's a fight instigator
👐HE TOUCHED A LITTLE GIRL👐
He was looking for his phone and these drunken little fools picked a fight with the wrong man.
He defended himself.
Not okay to kill someone over mean comment
I 100% agree! These witnesses have been coached. The prosecutor is wanting to make it appear that Miu “punched Maddy because it is a more violent act and would make him look like he “threw the first punch”. Every single witness said he struck her “like slapped her” in their interview with the police right after the incident. But on the stand they all stated that he punched her. You’re right, this is a tragic case. I don’t see fear on any of the “mob’s” faces that were attacking Miu. I see hateful faces and laughing and hear taunting and yelling from them. I hear one person, Jawahn, provoking this frenzied, drunk, high mob to elevate the situation.
@@nicenessispriceless2681 Are you kidding me!? Did you watch the video!? They didn’t just call him names they were physically attacking him. I would be very interested to see what you would have done in this situation. You against 13 out of control people, screaming at the top of their lungs in the middle of a river. You can be damn sure I would be using whatever force I could find to defend myself. 🙄
All these witnesses shady af!
The black dude witness towards the end blatantly lied to the cops about Miu coming out of the bushes and taking pictures of little girls? WTF? 😮
The same reason why a lot of people (especially men) end up in the sex offender database, nationwide. Truth is, some people make false accusations when it comes to personal bias or feelings about someone else, meaning, if the person doesn't like you, they will even lie to get rid of you or turn everyone against you. It has to do with revenge.
He ll probably end up resisting arrest one day.
You're surprised by this? They aren't known for integrity
They were drunk
@@themamachar low IQ response
It is no uncommon in eastern European countries for someone to call young men who are acting like children, "little girls" as an insult. I am thinking that they were teasing the guy about snorkeling in shallow water and he glared at them. If they asked "what are you looking at?", he may have said "I'm looking at little girls". They, being insulted and getting defensive began their chants of him being a pedo. It is the only explanation of where even the idea of such a claim came from.
Or he was a smart arse and said he was looking for little girls.. how is what you said the only option? As delusional as the guy who stabbed everyone.
This makes total sense. I am a coach of teen boys. I would bet my house that the boys or Javan instigated the whole situation and alcohol was the gasoline on the fire. Once you get one of them riled up they all jumped on. He needed a sober adult to step in. Instead he got two drunk 20 year old women. I guarantee if he would walked away, they would have followed.
Tip to all, stay away from groups of young drunk men.
This is what I’ve been thinking too. And I’d bet the boys knew what he meant but decided to make a scene and brand him w those labels just to be funny and then 2 drunk 20 year old women find a way to act even more immature than the boys.
They do that too in America, and Latin America, so it’s not just in Europe.
My thought on this is he may have said the truth, a quiet “Looking for my friend’s phone” might have been what he said, and those little pricks began mocking him shouting he had said whatever they first thought of to belittle him or antagonize him. Whatever could be fun for them. They saw he wasn’t looking for trouble, he was older, weak and minding his own business, so why not pick on him?
I read a comment that maybe he was trying to be friendly and asked “where are the girls” as in where are your girlfriends. It can be either of those scenarios
THANKS Y'ALL for the amazing quality and coverage of this case- the a/v is top notch here and all the legal commentary is so helpful
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You know they're drinking, how dangerous could laughing kids be. Walk away, be the bigger person with the bigger brain
I’m embarrassed for this prosecutor. He seems to be totally unprepared! Ugh and then we can hear him sighing between questions he’s struggling to formulate
Maybe he realizes this is an insane charge. 13 drink guys were attacking one older man. They pushed him down into the water, then started hitting him. Of course he defended himself.
7:32:24 "we found a phone and we hit a button to call 911" wait. What?
Was it Ariel's phone? The one that Miu was looking for?
@@malabuhawow how did they not catch that, that should’ve been the next question!
@@muchsunshine6037 pushed in 10” of water equates stabbing? Under the law only allowed to use the same force in return to defend yourself.
@nicenessispriceless2681 I'm mind blown at the number of people that think this guy isn't in the wrong. I just do not understand it. This country is in a scary place.
Is it just me or are these witnesses, as a group, not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer?
They are literally kids- all of who experienced a traumatic event on a day they were trying to just have fun. Even the most intelligent people would have a high chance of experiencing memory issues during such a stressful event. Don’t forget, the brain is not yet fully developed in young men until around the age of 24. The majority of these witnesses did not and probably still do not have the emotional tools or resources to navigate something like this. Add the fact that they are likely sitting in front of the man that gutted their friend and killed another right in front of them for the first time since it occurred. What are you expecting from these witnesses?
Either you don't have a clue what you are saying... or you think 23 is still a "child".
Stop using incorrect words to illicit a feeling of weakness And innocence. It's disingenuous and dumb.
Bad pun.
@@muddgrub4402 😆
@@mrgfrombg Oh shut up. They weren't trying to have fun. They bullied an old man and attacked him until he used self defense.
Jawann Cockfield started this entire scenario.
I'm curious as to what the WI statutes on incitement say. If this isn't in contravention of them it should be.
If he started all the rape and other talk, I agree, and then others started spreading it. The defendant said he was looking for his goggles and I genuinely think Juwann thought he said, "girls" and everything went downhill from there. The defendant was talking very quietly. Never yelled.
Absolutly right
Whether or not that is true, doesn't change the fact that the psychotic, evil, perver* murdered the one victim and brutally injured the others. He's on his way to Prison though, so there's that.
Ahh Yes...Jawhan. In Addition To Being Responsible For The Majority Of Violent Crime In The U.S....That Singular Demographic Is Responsible For The Majority Of Problems In Society. That's Simply A Fact The Way It Exists.
Man what a sad excuse of what our next generation of scholars will look like.
Idiocracy is becoming more realistic everyday
@@LanceBeckmanso so true….and in THESE generations
As if these guys are the only type of person that exists in this generation... and in prior generations there was only one type of person who was perfect...
@@carrieeytch Not claiming we were perfect. But our generation was raised to RESPECT our elders, teachers, adults and authority figures. Now you have entitled brats who were never told no and had no discipline. This is what you get. Every teenager there should have been charged with underage consumption at the very least. Jahwann started the whole thing. They could have left the man alone. They chose to scream the worst things you could call a Man. R*per, Pedo, Predator and that attracted even dumber drunk people, I'm not calling them adults because they were basically just older "kids" themselves. There was no rational discussion or even questions. Just immediate screaming by the women to GTFOH and by pushing and grabbing him, that's ASSAULT. Nick did nothing wrong until AFTER he got his ass kicked and was surrounded by 13 drunk ppl. The one dipshitz testimony about how he wasn't on his back pushing his face into the water when that's clearly on video was unbelievable! I was on his side, trying to de-escalate. Yeah ok numb nuts. 🙄 All these people are responsible for what happens when you pick on the wrong guy and FAFO. They are responsible for their wounds. Unfortunately a kid died, that's terrible but he wasn't some innocent perfect angel with a BAC of .219 FFS. IF ANY of my adult children acted this way they'd still answer to me. But they were raised right.
Yeah and most likely scholarship. Athletes over brains at UWRF, UMD and StJohn.
It’s too bad this prosecutor is so poor at formulating questions. Hesitates and generally does a terrible direct exam.
That's Excellent!! I'm very glad to hear that you...an average citizen...views the prosecutor's performance as being "poor."
I FIRMLY believe that Nicolae Miu is innocent of murder via self-defense...just as I FIRMLY believed that Kyle Rittenhouse was innocent of murder via self defense.
So it's great to hear an average citizen express dismay with the leftist prosecutor's B.S.
Welcome to Wisconsin 😂 Geat state, shit D.A.s
He leads like it's going outta style.
He has no idea how to phrase an unobjectionable question
It's not too bad, because this case is totally self defense and the prosecution is proving it for the defense. Then ALL the victims and the teenagers are lying through their teeth. Douche canoe who got his stomach cut open is trying to argue he's NOT pushing down on his back when it's clear as day on video! These drunk idiots all FAFO.
A bunch of spoiled brats!
Definitely. Still shouldn't have been stabbed though.
@@SomeOne-zw6khlying to incite a mob against an old man because they think it’s funny? FAFO no sympathy.
Why because they were enjoying themselves then a stranger invaded their space & was acting strange
Irrelevant. Who cares. It’s not legal to escalate from a push to a Stab.
@@nicenessispriceless2681 it's not illegal to use lethal force if your are in fear of your life
Wow, Larrion Davis is a terrible witness for the prosecution. I’m pretty sure the jury is going to totally dismiss his testimony.
I don't think they'll dismiss it. They'll just add to the rest of the Liars
Why did the prosecutors even put davis on the stand ? What a stupid move
Clicks and views baby! This was the crux of this incident IMO..I do NOT believe these kids were expecting this outcome,however..I DO believe they were definitely instigating this entire situation. And Jawahn IMO was the ring master. It was all sh*ts and giggles,until it WASN'T! And it cost him his friends life😢
Yeah, the 'little girl' comment is really sealing it for me, he doesn't say a word except 'I'm looking for little girls' during the entire incident? No shot.
He may have muttered something like you’re behaving like little girls and they misheard,god knows they've got everything else wrong, who knows?
I don’t think Miu said anything about little girls because none of the teenagers said that to the cops at the time of the incident. I personally think they came up with that way after the fact to justify their claims of rap&) and pedo*^%#. If he truly said that don’t you think it would’ve been the first statement they would’ve made to police? LAlso, it’s just so fishy how they used the same language to describe how he said “something weird about little girls” like they rehearsed it. 😢 I think they’re totally in cahoots and lying in an effort to excuse their harassment of Miu. If they truly thought he was a threat, they wouldn’t be laughing, etc. They didn’t seem in the least in fear for their lives. They were havng fun at the expense of Miu. That video, in its totality, says it all. It kills the state’s claims. In fact, I’m surprised the state even went to trial with this case because usually the state doesn’t take a case unless it’s iron clad. That’s why prosecutors win something like 90% of cases. I could be slightly off about percentage, but it’s something like that. This is all just my opinion.
@@hotpotato4027 except that they weren't behaving like little girls. Honestly, I've heard teens quite a few times throw around the term pedo about adults several times, including my own son's friends (which I quickly corrected). It's very common among teens right now as a way to shut someone up.
I agree about Jawahn being the instigator. He started the whole thing and cowered behind the camera the whole time. Also, when I watched the video the first time, I didn’t know a single thing about this case. When he kept saying, “he said he’s looking for little girls!”, I IMMEDIATELY thought he was looking for something his little girl lost in the river. Now that I know damn near everything about this trial and have watched every second of it thus far, I cannot wait to hear Miu take the stand to see what he REALLY said. I bet my money on something like, “a phone with 2 little girls on it” (meaning the phone’s wallpaper). I know it was his friend’s phone but I can’t find anything about him online to see if he has daughters.
Also, I cannot wait for the MULTIPLE Perry Mason moments I’m betting on when the defense presents their case. I don’t want to post all the ridiculously smart things I’ve picked up on so far (cuz I know the state’s team and witnesses are on here reading all these comments), but let’s just say Miu’s legal team is fawking BRILLIANT!
#NOTguilty
Thank god there was a video, almost all the witness lied to the police in some way. Did not touch him... nope never attack him... just wow.
and people blame Miu for lying? 🙄
Absolutely! If there wasn't video this guy would have been done! I think the video is actually helping the defense, thank God. It's clearly self defense. With no video people would have thought this guy was a Pedo serial killer. 🙄
@@ddbug7342 I think he was in shock and probably pissed his group didn't come to help. I still don't get why his group didn't come to help. His wife was a piece of work. You could feel her hostility through the screen. So the guy lost his wife, his job, probably his house, his money on attorneys and his freedom for 2 yrs now, all because some entitled drunken douchebag teenagers couldn't just STFU and let the man snorkle. After he gets off on self defense, he should sue EVERY SINGLE FAMILY of those teens, and EVERY SINGLE other young adult in that entire group.
@@MyToesintheSandI agree this is a travesty for Mr Miu. I said same if press charges on all of them after he is found not guilty. They all lied to protect themselves for their antagonizing Mr Miu.
I have never seen so many people telling lies under oath before, this is facinating!
I loved when the defense kept pointing out ‘So your original statement was incorrect, and your statement now, 22 months later, is accurate? And it's just coincidence that it helps the prosecution's case?’
...and equally infuriating!
Miu already had the knife and was waiting for them to touch him. Had he warned the kids not touch him and showed them that he has a knife would have turned a different outcome?
Hot Microphone, I can hear the Attorneys talking amongst themselves. This has been happening from day one
Mute 🤫 it.
Court needs to b told
Shhhhhhhhh
Did you hear the woman who got stabbed say "oh fuck" TWICE while on the stand when the Lawyer was looking through some papers? Her mic picked that up too.
Anything interesting that you’ve heard?
Deflecting from their statements after the fact is rampant w these kids
PTSD and adrenaline does that.
🙄
@@ellythompson812So does coaching and directing on how to answer questions.
The teenagers CORRECTLY perceived a threat, screamed at him to leave them alone, called him a pedophile, screamed for help, defended a 20 yr old girl who came to "help", and then were stabbed. He was the threat because they were reading his actions as a threat. He wanted to instigate a fight that is why he kept antagonizing them.
What exactly did the defendant do to the group to antagonize them, and how were the groups behavior less antagonistic than his behaviors? The group were the ones who were fiercely bullying him, falsely accusing him without evidence, unjustly ordering him to leave escalating the situation, and backed him into a corner and acted violently against him. The dude was just protecting himself against a drunken, violent gang
If i got punched hard in the face that left visible injuries as witnesses claimed, and that act of violence was the catalyst that led to 5 people getting stabbed and one killed, i would have gad many pictures taken of the injury, and i would have kept them even if the lame cops didn't want them. Yet there is not one single photo of the woman's injury supposedly perpetrated by the defendant. That should tell you right there that any narrative involving her getting punched hard in the face by the defendant is a highly dubious claim. The Defense has caught prosecution witnesses in a web of lies. When you watch the video anainst the Defense and opening statements the evidence and witness testimonials strongly support the defense not the prosecution
@zebra2346 Your questions indicate you haven't watched any of the videos. He entered and remained in their personal space after they told him to leave them alone, he left the immediate space but kept returning into it without a word, he grabbed their tubes, he grabbed a kid's leg, he was non-responsive to their initial questions asking him what was he doing and what did he want. All of that behavior from a stranger is not only bizarre but highly concerning considering he was doing this to minors. All of that happened before the 2nd group of adults arrived. NM's target group were all 17 at the time of the incident.
@@amylynn732what business was it of theirs as to what hes doing? He doesn't owe them an explanation they don't own the river. They should have shut the f up and kept on floating.
You so far off. That’s what you got from those videos???😂😂😂😂🤦♀️
You’re an idiot
I appreciate the audio quality from this channel. A diffrent channel broadcasting the trial has terrible audio.
This judge rocks my world
The real charges should be filed after this BS is over
Why is he getting charged with first degree? This wasnt planned. I fully believe this is self defense.
I know right I didn't at first but after the defense opening statements n still photos didn't take me long to flip my thinking....they cornered this guy when he was minding his business to begin n one chimes in they all chimed in yet somehow its this guy's fault cause things didn't go as they and their drinking egos thought...my condolences to the ones stabbed especially the one that lost his life rip yet facts are facts and video doesn't lie n im shocked noone seen that knife...he sure didn't try to hide it n the woman escalated the whole situation with her screaming orders in his face..they lucky they just lost one
It doesn't need to be planned. It only needs to be proved that he " intended to kill ". He is being charged with 1
Count of 1st degree intensional homicide. Counts 2-5 charged with 1st degree attempted intentional homicide. Count 6, battery.
First degree doesn’t just mean planned. In Wisconsin if you cause the death of another with the intent to kill, it’s first degree. So even if you decide a split-second before the homicide that you want to kill the victim, it’s first degree. Even with that definition, I believe second degree murder is the more appropriate charge. There’s literally a subsection of second degree murder that states “the defendant genuinely believed they or another person was in imminent danger of death or serious physical injury and that the force they used was necessary to defend whoever was endangered, but the belief of danger or the force being necessary was not reasonable.” That is literally what the state is trying to prove in my opinion.
Wisconsin legislature for charging someone with 1st degree murder straight from the .gov page
(b) Unnecessary defensive force. Death was caused because the actor believed he or she or another was in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that the force used was necessary to defend the endangered person, if either belief was unreasonable.
939.45 (1).
(3) Burden of proof. When the existence of an affirmative defense under sub. (2) has been placed in issue by the trial evidence, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the facts constituting the defense did not exist in order to sustain a finding of guilt under sub. (1).
Million dollar question. No one can figure why the state brought a clear self defense case to trial.
The “looking for little girls” comment and Madison being punched I think are both lies. Without both of these lies, kids have no excuse of why they did what they did.
Yeah, it's interesting that these two critical pieces of information aren't recorded
@@aprilharrison1247it's clearly said in cockfields testimony. He started filming after miu said he was looking for little girls and shows strange behaviour.
@@ericjayfederizo3549lol he's a liar
@@ericjayfederizo3549 and not ONE of those kids told this to the cops? Come on.
@@ericjayfederizo3549it is not on his video. The only thing that is heard is that it is said ‘he says he’s looking for little girls’
Sometimes I wonder if this case would bee flipped off he hadn't pulled the knife. That was a huge mob and the intensity was growing. Maybe dante and others are in trial for an attempted homicide if things continued to progress...
Exactly
Marijuana is not a harmless drug. Take that and the alcohol away and this probably would not have happened.
I’m thinking that too.
LOL. Had the alcohol been removed alone the weed would not of made them do it. Stop talking what you clearly don't know nothing about. Alcohol is a shitty arsed Drug that makes people aggressive and act like assholes. The A&E departments are not choc full of people who smoke weed who have gone out and got into a fight. Or fell off a Roof, or got run over etc etc etc
This has nothing to do with marijuana, alcohol maybe, but marijuana no. Lol
In which ways is Marijuana harmful...
Munching on food maybe...
The defense is making these witnesses look like lying fools.
It's so liberating, isn't it? I still can't believe he was found guilty.
It really bothers me why every witness, the victims, conveniently cannot remember or doesn't see parts that don't serve them. That makes them look like they are hiding something and even outrightly lying on the stand
They were probably in shock. Pretty traumatizing experience. I wouldn't expect anyone to remember most of that.
@@SomeOne-zw6khno sh!t..
But it sure is convenient that they perfectly remember certain things that help them while forgetting anything that might hurt them.
Totally, they always get convenient memory loss when it serves them and seem to be all lying to make Mr Mui look bad. Their doing it becoz they dont want it to look like self defense, mental.
The ex wife is the worst.
What are the prosecutors thinking to have Larrion Davis as a witness. He did not help this case at all. His testament is an embarrassment and is all full of lies, making the prosecution team look very bad!! Prosecution needs to do better!!
How about AJ
If they didn't call him, defense would have. It's a strategic play to be the first to question him before the jury so that they can mitigate the damage the defense would do. I was part of a jury where the prosecutors called witnesses who contradicted video evidence and always wondered why. It wasn't until I watched the Rittenhouse trial with commentary that I understood.
What a disaster
Why did he lie to the police about not having a knife, taking a knife from another person and stabbing them at the same time? He also went back and forth between this group, his group, back to this group.
Because he was intoxicated!…
I’m sure he himself doesn’t even know.
Same reason they all lied probably. People get things wrong In extreme situations out of fear.
Cause it wasn't self defense and he wanted to try and get away with what he did.
He knew he wasn't justified in slicing people up/cutting their guts out/murdering someone. He knew he could've walked away and ignored them and avoided the entire situation.
@@Natasha_-_walked away after they took turns punching, slapping and pushing him down. Yeah.
If i got punched hard in the face that left visible injuries, and that act of violence was the catalyst that led to 5 people getting stabbed and one killed, i would have had many pictures taken of the injury, and i would have kept them even if the lame cops didn't want them. Yet there is not one single photo of the woman's injury supposedly perpetrated by the defendant. That should tell you right there that any narrative involving her getting punched hard in the face by the defendant is a highly dubious claim.
💯
Yup
Nic the butcher also was not injured at all but killed 1 and brutally stabbed 4 others then continued calmley down the river and tried to dip out. Hence the conviction and hell die in prison now.
The comment he was a raper? Isn’t that instigating or inciting?
Inciting to be killed? No. Not self defense either.
Cops will tell you in the state of Florida people yell that kind of shit at them often and not illegal. Definitely not a call for lethal force.
Kind of. It was part of them escalating it. It caused uninvolved strangers to be concerned for the boys and disregard critical or independent thinking. They automatically took the boys side and joined in on the berating. It lead to him being cornered and outnumbered. It's just evidence that makes reasonable fear for his life more plausible.
Good lord.. Lorrian Davis told police he was taking pictures of little girls, and then when asked today just completely folds, saying he doesn't know doesn't remember, maybe, no, idk.. Like what???
Calling someone a "pedo, rapist and predator" in public to incite a mob to violence "for the culture" seems like hate speech to me.
kids just being kids n sheeit.
I am struggling with this case’s binary notion of guilt or innocence. Most, perhaps all, involved have varying degrees of culpability. Difficult to see how “justice” is the prosecution of only one of those persons. The irony is that in this way the judicial proceeding mirrors what happened on the river that day.
Those teens should have ALL got underage consumption charges, the 2 women should have assault charges, and the guy that punched him should have assault then continued while he was down. The other numb nut pushing his face into the water from behind while Nick is sitting down should also have assault charges.
Read up on self defense law and hopefully that will clear things up for you. There is no "but he broke a law defending himself"...thats kind of the point.
@@Scremin311 You miss my point which is that others involved in this incident should also be facing charges of varying degrees and nature.
I agree, I'm also struggling with the same thing. I keep going back and forth about who is in the wrong here. I do believe that had the adults came to the situation with more reason and listened and mediated between Miu and the teens this could have all been avoided. It's so tragic, we need to teach our children how to speak to and behave with others.
If you have ever been hit like this guy was hit then you would have a better understanding as to why he reacted with his knife like he did.
Especially since it was something like 6 vs 1, with nearly (if not) all of them shouting at the same time, surrounding him in a mob mentality. Notice he didn't have his knife out until things started to escalate. In my book, this is self defense. Outcome is obviously not what I'd hope for, but most people in his position certainly would have feared for their safety. At one point in the video before it got physical, I did sense fear in his facial expression.
It's one thing to pull a knife out to protect yourself but a whole other thing to proceed to stabb several people. Nothing justifies that.
He took a life people.
@@sharoncooper8499 You have a point there.
Maybe true, but if he went back to get the knife and confront them again that's premeditated.
Larrion Davis and Ryhley Mattison did not come across as genuine nor truthful.
Larrion Davis sunk the case. Not that the prosecution needed any help doing that already but this low IQ, lying individual just put the nail in the coffin
I know those are the names of liars without hearing them say a word. They were raised by narcissistic single mothers, after all
She came across as a meth head.
I thought RH was very sincere. The most candid I’ve seen thus far from all the victims/witnesses of the 13. She wasn’t trying to make things up as much as the male teens. She genuinely seems like she’s trying to tell the truth while the teens are out for revenge. I think Miu was completely within his right to defend himself once they mobbed him the way they did, so I’m not being biased toward her just because she’s a victim. I just felt she really tried to tell the truth.
@@PneumaNooseagreed they’re all a bunch of manipulative liars but she seemed pretty honest
I hope she learned a lesson…mind your own business! Especially when you are drunk!
She did not, unfortunately. Check out some of her news interviews, she’s dumber than a rock
zoomers should learn to fear a man pushed too far
I Bet AJ Won't Ever Push A Stranger Again.
Well he’s not very smart so I wouldn’t bet on it.
@@suckit5092Jesus Christ you’re both heartless
@@suckit5092 He Is Dumb, So You Might Possibly Be Correct...But I Think That Punk Got A Very Real And Harsh Reality Check When He Was Lying On The Ground And Literally Holding His Intestines In His Hands.
I went to UW river falls ONE YEAR- people were horrid there!
Reading these comments section makes me think that there’s something really wrong with the united states
Ya it’s crazy how people can think it’s ok to incite a mob against an old man by lying about him being a p**o file just for the lols, until a bunch of drunk and high 17-22 year olds start attacking him, and somehow that’s not a clear self defense situation.
@@brianb152 self defense it’s only if he’s in danger of losing his life, which clearly he was not ! Imagine if for any bullying or any argument people started stabbing others claiming self defense! That makes no sense! But do you!
@@daphnytsapatsis2521he was down in the water with people surrounding him hitting him... how was his life not in danger?
@@daphnytsapatsis2521you call having your face pushed into the water not being in mortal danger? You must remember, this was the very beginning of the violence. The kids hadn't even gotten going yet. No doubt they would continue to physically attack him.
@@daphnytsapatsis2521 instead kids end their own lives due ti these bullies
Crazy to think that if the cell phone wasn’t lost likely none of this would have happened.
Phone probably was no where near those tubes.
But that’s a good point. Plus he walked back upstream to his people after the stabbing.
Imagine what this trial would look like if the boys hadn't recorded it.
My only thing is this man had multiple opportunities to walk away. He put himself in that situation by coming back. I understand they’re taunting him, but you’re a grown man; Are you seriously hurt by some drunk teens calling you names? This was all so avoidable.
yeah the kids could have kept their mouths shut also.. both parties at fault and I call self defense.
Miu tried to remove himself to continue looking for his property. Those boys kept going and called other people over to help them humiliate this poor man. It’s self defense - those boys should be charged for endangering the lives of everyone they called over. Miu is not the aggressor here. Those boys are responsible for everyone who got hurt.
I agree @harbinger
One person called him a raper…
13 people is a mob
I'm sorry, I don't know how you can trust anything these people are saying on the stand.
1. They were all drunk at the time.
2. They gave sworn statements to the police and now give completely contradictory statements.
3. They are clearly corroborating stories to try to make their stories match (they completely conflict with the video and sworn statements to police)
4. Their stories often conflict with the video (despite having watched it)
5. The defense's attorney is making them all look like total fools
I agree. I don't know why the prosecutor even brought this case, especially at the murder 1 level. He has no chance in hell of winning.
So you think two different groups that didn’t know each other have all testified that they saw the defendant hitting Madison and think they all must’ve colluded? Also the defense attorney lied when he said Riley initially told police that he slapped her, but the transcript says she used the word “punch.”
@@davidreece5867they all know each other now, so yes. If Miu was a PO being surrounded by a drunk mob and putting their hands on him, he’d have legal right to use deadly force.
5. 3:35:54 mic drop!
@@PneumaNooseare you seriously saying he’s justified after he started the situation by punching a woman in the face?
not one person is smart enough to realize he DIDN'T leave the scene BECAUSE he had a knife. period. if he had no knife i'll bet the farm he doesn't even walk to them. i think he wanted trouble.
All of those charges against Nic are 1st Degree ... so there is NO way a Jury will find him Guilty ... so it will be either a Not Guilty Verdict or a Hung Jury
The Ex Wife's testimony was good. He brought his scuba gear to look for gold. "TO LOOK FOR GOLD!!!" What are the chances the teens mistaken "gold" for "girls."
I think he was being a smart arse and said he was looking for girls. Hopefully will go to prison like he deserves.
If that’s the case, he would have emphatically stated that instead of just standing there looking menacing.
@@olduglyentwife5700 He has every right to not tell these stupid teens anything because it's none of their business!! it's because of his silence they didn't like him. Therefore got in his face and attacked him causing him to defend himself. Shame on these people. The power of silence!!!
@@weesports-qe3ss
Excuse me, but I seriously doubt it was his silence that was the main issue from the beginning! I believe it had to do with the defendant, a grown a$$ older man, punching a woman in the face!! It blows my mind that you don’t see that as an issue and therefore makes me question your character!
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@@Ms2unique4uthere’s no proof of him hitting her, just drunk teens saying it
Kids these days
I’m 62 and don’t like that I look at young adults….17 yo, 18yo up to 25 like a different animal. They’ve always been different but what’s happening in the face of our atmosphere is heartbreaking.
How can the kids these days be any better than they are when adults these days are just as trifling? They have bad role models.
Yelling predator is like yelling fire in a theater.
Yelling pedophile is even worse.
Yes, it always leads to going on a stabbing spree. I completely see where you’re coming from.
I can’t believe the comments on this video. Folks, Nick Miu came over to their group. They didn’t come over to him. He grabbed the kid’s leg on the tube. Also, HE’S clearly intoxicated himself. And just because someone shoves you or even slaps you, doesn’t give you the right to stab 5 people of which 1 was disemboweled and another was killed. Nick Miu was not in danger of losing his life. All of you want this to be like Rittenhouse. The difference is, Rittenhouse WAS in danger of losing his life. This guy, not even close. He’s a POS.
Also the defense keep posing questions to this kid like “and you could have just walked always, right?”
Well, so could have the accused. He didn’t. Then proceeded to stab 5 people. Of which 1 was disemboweled and another killed. The guy is guilty as hell and going to jail for the rest of his life.
You serious? If someone lays their hands on you, pushes you. You can’t defend yourself??? I’ll say in advance to you, R I P!!! 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
@@Inbetweenthelinesnow you can, but as I stated, you can’t use deadly force. His life was not hanging in the balance. He put himself in that situation and he started it by striking a woman. And if you want to come back at me in that, I explained it already in another comment.
But I’ll explain it to you away.
There’s 3 groups of people making up the 13 people the defense keeps squawking about. Those groups did not know each other and most of them didn’t see the video until much later. Each group told the police he struck a woman. They didn’t conspire against this man. They didn’t know what one another told the police, yet they all had the same story. Therefore, it’s not self defense when you start it.
I can’t believe how unorganized the District Attorney is! He barely is able to question witnesses. The State’s witnesses are terrible and making it easy for the defense attorneys to feed them answers because they just give in and agree with whatever the defense attorney says, which then leads to the DA having to try and rehabilitate the witnesses answers.
So frustrating! 😤
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Almost like the state doesn’t have a very solid case and their witnesses keep perjuring themselves
I feel truly terrible for AJ, however, of all the testimony I’ve seen up to this point, AJ’s is the most distorted. He was pushing and holding Miu into the water face first and AJ describes it as him “holding him down for a second” in some wild story of attempted deescalation. And apparently this tactic was learned from handling small children? The video shows him standing face to face with Miu AFTER he pushed and held Miu face down into the water when he got stabbed… stabbed whilst actively attacking Miu so all Miu had to do was stick his knife in AJ’s direction and he lunged right into it. AJ’s stabbing is the BEST footage of Miu’s self defense. I hope AJ is able to live a peaceful, healthy and happy life going forward, as well as Mr. Miu.
Did you watch the video?.. 😅
@@Ruinedtri well, my comment describes what happens in the video. Did you read my comment?
@@PneumaNoose no one holds anyone down in water moron. If you actually watch it in complete continuity. Just as Aj even tries to explain himself.
@@Ruinedtri Yes we did, did you? Two hands on his back while Nick is sitting down, pushing his face into the water, all while claiming to de-escalate. Then arguing he's not on his back he's off to the side. What a dumbarse. He was the WORST witness besides Jawann.
A lot you don't remember right ? Yeah. Convenient that.
Self-defense all the the way
He’s not getting off scot free 🙄
Self defense? They stopped hitting him and let him up and THEN he stabbed five people. He even stabbed the girl and the guy just trying to break up the fight. You are completely insane.
Best he can hope for is second degree and four counts of assault with deadly weapon causing great bodily harm. Still a massive L for the defendant. What a dumbass.
Putting hands on the alleged is not ok
3:05:22 - fafo lmao, dude was pushed face down into the water, was trying to get up and was being attacked again.
Thank God for the video. Could you imagine if it was just the lying witnesses against him? Thank God we live in a time where there is video evidence!
I can’t watch this anymore. I’ve seen enough. Alcoholism is a disease. I see alcohol as the primary reason this escalated. I think there is negligence on all who were drinking, who chose to be a part of the mob. The accusations about him being a pedaphile was absolutely uncalled for. That would piss anyone off! Prayers to all involved. Alcoholism is dangerous. Peace be with you all.
Don't forget about the weed
They were just teens experimenting with alcohol and that does not make them alcoholics. The older man very likely could be one but he stabbed a bunch of kids! No matter how annoying teens can be you can't beat them up, stab them and kill them!!! What kind of monsters are you! He had that knife with him I the water in his swinsuit!WTF?
The teens weren't just annoying. They were assaulting him and inciting more violence by wrongfully yelling out that he's a pedo. He did nothing wrong and had every right to defend himself. It was easy to see the guilt in every so called "victims" face.
Stop it Donna. You'll be watching today
What do you mean you’ll b watching today? I can comment just like you. You stop it. Teens can be addicts. Lay off
How could the phone be by the boys it would have sunk immediately
Exactly. The current didn't look strong plus the boys were downstream from the phone's owner.
Its a fair question. We really don't know those details yet. Haven't heard from Miu. Maybe it was in one of those bags, maybe he had thrown it. Maybe it was a load of crap. He was clearly looking for something though, why else would he be looking in the water with snorkel gear on?
It had been in a flat case…..but those don’t always work…
They said since he was a mechanical engineer he figured the phone would travel downstream. It was in some type of waterproof box or bag. His wife also said she told him not to wear jewelry because people lose jewelry on that river all the time, so he was also looking for that. A sandbar where people stop would be the most obvious place to look for jewelry.
@@MyToesintheSandright, now he's some sort of drunk Einstein figuring out physics while stabbing people 🙄
I'm thinking the reason why he ran over to those kids on the tube was because one of them was holding up a phone and he thought that was the phone he was looking for.
@@IlluminatingInk You have a point. That is the one thing that really has me perplexed, the fact that he isn't saying anything at all. He says something at one point and they all start assuming he says "I'm looking for little girls". Which at that point perhaps he says he's looking for a phone. I keep trying to figure out why he is running up on those boys, but when he does, he is looking at the ground like he is looking for something...his whole behavior is so odd
@@IlluminatingInk Yes, I have been doing that too, putting myself in that scene. I just can't get past his odd behavior and the smirks on his face and not calling out for help. The whole thing is just so sad, watching how those kids behaved and then the outcome of it all. The whole thing could have been avoided in so many ways.
Based on their overall demeanor I suspect they were taunting him about that at first...explains why he rushed over at first so pissed, then resigns himself and tries to walks away but still hesitant because he wants the phone back. Then they used that energy against him...typical school yard bully tactics.
@@bigislander72 That's a good point. I'm sure he was pissed at how they were heckling him but still wanted that phone. He was probably shocked that they resulted in pushing and hitting him, hence that strange look on his face. I honestly don't think that he punched that girl, all of their responses to that issue sound rehearsed to me.
Except the phone was attached to the guy by a proper phone holder and by a cord around his neck. Why would that be Miu's "lost phone"?
I find it hard to believe that the ex-wife seen her partner get hit in the face then stopped paying attention to the situation until he walked back over to her. 🤯
5:45:41 She said the phone they were using to listen to music on was Ariel’s until it got lost and floated downstream.
On the video, around the time Nic came toward the teens on tubes and walked all the way around them searching for something, we can hear music being played as Juwan is panning down to their floaties.
Anyone else believe Nic and his wife, that he was looking for the phone with the snorkel, then looking for both the phone and the snorkel mask around their inner tubes?
Perhaps Nic heard the music too and felt that the kids were hiding Ariel’s phone from him; eventually realizing he couldn’t accuse them without proof and they wouldn’t give it back anyway but no one was listening to him as a dozen people started verbally and physically attacking him.
Shannon testified “we found a phone and pressed a button to call 911” it was probably Ariel’s phone!
Intersting theory... makes sense.
What i see, guy was using a snorkel to look for friend's cell phone, many rafters, river is noisy, hears someone call to him. The guy who calls to him is holding up a cell phone recording, and the man thinks they are showing him, like "hey look here we found a cell phone". Thats why he went over to the group. Walking in a river is very unstable, its not like walking on a sidewalk. He kind of stumbles towards their tube, losing his balance..and then the chaos ensues. This whole thing is unfortunate. In this day and age of crazies, people on drugs, etc. Best to myob, and move on. If you see trouble, best to call 911, report it and don't inject yourself into a situation.
It would be a good defense, but the defendant looks like he’s dying already.
@@lynnetmb4706 two wrongs did not make a right in this situation. We can armchair quarterback this till Tuesday. The first glimmer of any wrong doing, if that first kid saw something suspicious he should have quit recording and used that phone to call 911, none of the following events would have happened . I'm not from the cell phone generation, it doesn't make sense to record vs. Calling for help. The sheriff post was close by. If they thought the guy was acting in a perverted way, they should have called for help. I wish they'd show on a map how close that station was. I'm just saying this was all preventable. People make their choices, instigate or prevent. Personally if I see an animal acting erratic, I'm not going to go poke at it, I'd be calling animal control. Just my opinion.
I think your’s is the most probable narrative I have read so far.
Why did this poor man lie? He would never be here if he could have articulated these events that day. I hope the jury see that
Exactly my thinking too, if he'd have just spoken to the police straight the way, so very many bad choices that day.
@@itsjust_Lisa never talk to the police without a lawyer.
Yes its true butt cops are corrupt bias bullies too....he was scared,no excuse ! just two reasons why ithink he wasnot truthful. Its also hard to trust government if his home country was blatent violent corruption. Too bad cops are not held to ethics so the people could trust them when in need or scared. Especially small town cops, judge, lawyer equals bias to the top.
Ok youtube censorship. Good for USA.
I hope the def attorney who questioned AJ who held his own intestines in his hand feels it was worth it to bully a trauma young adult. He has no mercy! I would hate to call that bully my dad, husband or any relation in my life!!!
I Bet Ryhley Mattison Will Never Confront A Stranger Again...About Anything.
For real! These juveniles unfortunately learned a life lesson the hard way.
Prisons filled with like minded people like you.
Lesson learned the hard way. It boggles my mind how these girls thought they could go boss around a stranger that they didn’t know. I’m guessing they are used to getting their way with being loud and belligerent and it didn’t work out for them this time.
@@Sonogirlwhat an embarrassment for them to watch themselves in this video…..”adult women” ugggh
Miss Heidi, I believe what you've stated is just as right as rain.
Those intoxicated rapscallions obviously had a low tolerance level to the intoxicating effects of "adult beverages."
They boldly confronted a stranger (a Romanian) they knew nothing about...and proactively inserted themselves into a situation they knew absolutely nothing about....other than the inane ramblings of some intoxicated teenage rapscallions.
The writer Christopher Hitchens had a genius level IQ level, and was known to consume prodigious amounts of Johnny Walker scotch on a daily basis...with no ill effects on his ability as a writer.
About five years after Hitch died from cancer, I attended a speaking engagement which included an interview with Hitch's wife, Carol Blue.
She readily admitted that Hitch began consuming scotch before noon...and continued to do so until the evening.
But she went on to say that she never had any problem with his consumption of scotch, because it had no effect on his personality.
She said he functioned on a "high level"...regardless of his consumption of scotch...and always treated her like a "special princess." (Her exact words).
And what woman would not want to be treated like a "special princess?"
So it became obvious to me that some people can consume adult beverages without it affecting their personality or demeanor...but most probably cannot.
And those abased, inebriated rapscallions on the river that day should not have inserted themselves into a situation they knew nothing about...after consuming substances they had no facility to handle...which is why they ended up getting stabbed.
I was picked for the jury pool on a couple cases when i had jury duty. The first time i heard the static in the courtroom really tripped me out! Most trials I've seen on YT just mute the stream.
Wow she is the problem with this world. She takes no accountability for her actions! They all need to be arrested for terrorizing this man!
Did the defense just pull a “ big black guy” card, the “black teen looks like a grown man” card?
Because he did look like a grown man
@@grahamfinlayson-fife73 key word “LOOKED”
@@nicenessispriceless2681 And in fact was
He said he's 6 ft 240 pounds! He does look like a grown man. Color has nothing to do with it. But there's always ONE who has to make it into a race thing. 🙄 That would be you!
@@MyToesintheSand … I’m sorry if you were born yesterday but most people over 25 and all black people know the history of police and many white people hav having historically mentioned black men’s height and weight to justify claiming that they we’re afraid of them. Sorry to tell you but had that not been what we dealt with for decades then I would not have had the foundation to said it. I may be mistaken but don’t recall the police asking any of the other young guys how tall or how much they weighed. Now the Prosecutor did ask the other victims that after. The black kid was smaller than the killer so if anyone should be have been scared it would have been the kids after a grown man lurks around you , lunges at you, and then touches you while your sitting in the tub. The cops only asked the other teens if they played football ball, I don’t recall him asking how tall they were or how much the weighted. If it had Nothing to do with race why didn’t the defense ask any other the other guys? I’ll wait. Tell me where to look and I’ll go find it.
Did Riley Mattison say that she was in the courtroom watching the trial and viewing the slides the day prior to her testimony? Are witnesses allowed to view the trial before they are released from their subpeona (spelling?)? Is the law different in Wisconsin? I could have sworn that was a BIG no no?????
Edit: Wait....now the witness after her is saying the same!!! He was in the courtroom watching the trial waiting to be called the day prior. I have a VERY hard time believing this is allowed???
Victims of the alleged crime are permitted to be the court room for the whole trial, it’s their constitutional right, they are exempt from the sequestration order on witnesses.
@@holocenedreamingThank you!
They were coached before hand as well. All of them answered the questions, word for word.
I thought the same thing!!!
Just throwing this out...
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Cowards!!
Nick I hope that you Get the Justice you Deserve ! Not guilty!!
I'm sorry most of this testimony doesn't ring true. On some details every person say the exact same thing, on others they can't remember any detail. The video doesn't show anyone yelling help.
Riley and Madison are standing between Mui and his group. I don't know why Mui didn't speak, except the couple times he did the teens were ridiculing him.
So right side of her face, left side of her face, he hit her with right hand, left hand.
Details don't match video.
Agreed, some say open handed slap, punched, swiftly lifted his hand, didn't see, can't remember, etc. It's not caught on video either. I don't know. All I can see from the video is a group of 13 young people harassing and provoking an older man, pushing on him, attacking him, insulting him, accusing him of rape and pedophilia. I wish we knew for certain if he punched her or not because honestly that would make or break this case in a sense. But even still there's no pics of the marks he would have left if it had been a punch.
Its amazeing nobody seen her punch thats caught of film , but his punch is no where to be found.
why are so many of these witnesses heavy breathers? And guzzling water and that judge is always jumping on the defense I dont like his rudeness
Because they are lying and nervous about it
The way the judge scoldes the defense attry and let's the prosecution do the exact same thing. It's irritating.
Prosecution in this #AppleRiverStabbing is a DISASTER! I feel Miu is guilty - but state definitely doesn’t have an A game plan! Is this their first case? It’s sad & hard to watch.
They don’t have a game plan because the guy is innocent lmao they have no anchors or any good points to stand on. All they have is a bunch of drunk people that barely remembered what happened crossing stories. And a video that is not on their side at all it’s so clear lmao
This prosecutor knows these teenagers instigated this entire situation
@@donovahnnduhaney7608 yea cause when you stab 5 people killing a 17 year old - please. Dude is a LIAR if so innocent why lie? Act shocked there was a stabbing & got rid of knife? Glad you’re not a juror.
@@DRobb-zi2rjironic you say that when you don’t even know the law. Poor legal choices following a self defense situation has nothing to do with whether that self defense situation was justified or not.
@@brianb152 I’m not pretending like you to be a know it all. Your opinion is self defense - I have a differing opinion. But guess what? Neither of us are jurors! 🤷🏻♀️ It’s my opinion. And thankfully I don’t live in Wisconsin.
What Day was Madison testimony ? I missed that.
2, but she requested not to be filmed or recorded.
@@christinavreeland8521 Thanks did think I watched everyday and was confused when I didnt see it. Nice one.
Is there a transcript to her testimony i wonder?
@@annawyse1836 She helped this shit escalate along with Dreadlocked guy. She has some god damn front to request her testimony be redacted from the public.
The one that had nothing done to her but caused much of the problem chose to have hers redacted. Another spoiled white girl
Two beers-ok.
Gabby - she may be dyslexic. Dyslexics have a hard time with spacial things, left and right. Their brains don’t process the same way a “normal” brain processes. She is not dumb. They also have trouble telling time, with a clock with hands and numbers. Sometimes problems with numbers and math. No one takes the time to teach them a different way of learning these things. They do the best they can in spite of not getting an education that works.
Holy shit. The prosecution put that kid witness on the stand despite his wildly different stories?
Are these men actual lawyers?!?
Darrell Brooks is a better lawyer.
Underrated comment here. 😂😂😂
Such an entertaining lawyer.
What the eff is this question about documenting they were having a beer? No one wants to document drinking alcohol, they just are drinking it as photo being shot.
I believe this question was sarcasm.
@@pamelafranklin7322 oh haha that would make sense. Naughty attorneys
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Drunk underage teenagers intentionally stirring an anger against the guy and harassing and threatening him
Telling everybody that they were yelling for help because they were scared for their lives
The video clearly shows they were threatening the guy and laughing at him and they were not afraid for their lives and they never yelled help
They claim he hit the girl with his right hand a slap this was very specific by the police officers who took their statements that it was an open hand slap by the right hand and that's the reason they started beating up the guy
Problem is they hadn't seen the video and they didn't know he had already pulled out his knife and it's impossible for him to have slapped her in the face with a right open hand if he's holding the knife in the hand
They said he hit her so hard that she went down in the water the video shows she never went down in the water
Photographs by the police show that her sunglasses that she was wearing when she supposedly was hit are completely undamaged and there was no mark on her face
They lied about it because they needed to have an excuse for why they started beating him
Cockfield the kid that is shooting the video intentionally escalates and tells everybody that he's a pedophile rapist
And people say he charged them when they were in their inner tubes are the ones who have not watched all of the facts from the case
Or they would know that he had his face in the water after telling them he was looking for his phone and he heard a bunch of noise and he heard them yelling so he looked up and saw cockfield holding out the phone and thought they had found his phone that's why he ran over to the inner tubes
And at that point he dropped his snorkel and mask and started looking for them and that's when they're all claiming that he was holding their inner tubes and preventing them from going down the river
He then tries to walk away but the water is deep and his friends are in the opposite direction on the other side of the river so he turns and starts walking towards them he even waves to his friends hoping that they're going to see him and come give him assistance to cool the situation down but those girls run up in his face and start telling him to go the other direction
Like they have any right to do that
And shortly after that you hear one of the guys say he has 10 seconds
Again acting like they have a right to tell another person where to go
All they had to do was float down the river like they were he wasn't talking to any of them
He was trying to get back to his friends and find his phone
And they start punching him and beating him even when he's down in the river
If I punch you and knock you down it's gonna scare you
If I punch you while you're down and attacking you that's going to terrify you
But if you're in a river and I'm hitting you while you're down you're gonna be scared to death
And when you fear for your life you have every right to defend with deadly force
And he never touched anybody until after they were hitting him he did not stab anybody intil they were assaulting him
And for those who say no he still hit her before they punched him why would he have hit her if he had the knife out he obviously was willing to stab people
So why wouldn't he have stabbed her?
Why did they say that she went down on the ground after he hit her and we can see that she didn't ever go down on the ground
Why did they say they yelled for help when you can never hear anybody yelling for help but you can hear them laughing after they said they were scared
And why did they say he was a pedophile
Because the reality is he's a mechanical engineer.... he is a math nerd
With no history of violence
He's a middle-aged man who had a quadruple bypass surgery a year previous
He was not looking for a fight
And if you say why did he have a knife with him
It's the tubes they were using they tied together with twine and they needed a knife to cut the twine
When I initially looked at this I thought he was guilty of murder
But after looking at over 24 hours worth of testimony
And evidence
It's obvious that the only reason that kid died was because Cockfield instigated violence by telling everybody he was a pedophile and whoever gave these kids alcohol that had them acting like animals towards a fellow citizen who is doing nothing more than looking for his private property in a river when he was surrounded by numerous underage drunken troglodytes should be charged
Because the alcohol and cockfield were the two sources of instigation
Well said!! 👏🏼👏🏼 I don’t know if any of those kids were charged but they should have assault and battery charges and inciting a riot charges, along with underage drinking charges.
If he had the knife in his right hand the only way he could’ve stabbed Rihley on her left side is if she was coming at him.
This case is so crazy. I don’t understand why he’s just standing there and not walking away but I also feel like he was attacked and threatened. I definitely think the second group (who admittedly had trouble on another river due to alcohol) made everything much worse.
I’m so on the fence about this case.
@@CounselorKelly she could have been turning to her right to try and avoid the incoming stab. This isn’t rocket science, don’t hurt yourself thinking too hard 😂.
Self defense? They stopped hitting him and let him up and THEN he stabbed five people. He even stabbed the girl and the guy just trying to break up the fight. You are completely insane. The kids were assholes but his level of retaliation was beyond overboard.
Yes, I agree 100%!! I wish I could pin your comment.
More like drunken recreational drug Thug River -- not Apple River. 😂
Outside of the poor mother this is the FIRST witness that is telling 100% the truth. There's absolutely no fidgeting he is confident in what he is saying. All the others up until now can't stop bouncing around and fidgeting.
EDIT: I'm talking about Anthony Carlson
People fidgeting recounting probably the most traumatic thing that ever happened to them=guilty. In your eyes.. that's insane 🤣
@@Ruinedtri agreed!
If she was stabbed on the left why did her stomach have to be put back in? I missed something
Your stomach is on the left side of your body.
I heard them say she was stabbed on the left side and had to have surgery on her spleen.
That was AJ. No the girl. AJ was gutted.
They're taking about her surgical scar. She was stabbed on the left side of her body, but they had to operate and cut her down the center to repair the damage inside. Her scar is almost as big as AJ's, but it's from the surgery, not the attack.
I think her diaphragm was damaged, maybe they have to repair from the front. ??
This older black man knew how dangerous these kids would be. He was right.
"Kids," as they called them, although most were 18+, have to stop being coddled ... play stupid games ... win stupid prizes
A 50 year old should know to walk away when 13 people are telling him to walk away. Instead he stayed… and punched a woman. If he didn’t throw the first punch (especially at a woman), I would feel differently. But he was the physical aggressor. Also, don’t act like 17 year olds are mature adults. You and I were both 17 once. 17 year olds are immature and dumb, especially when intoxicated. Just the more reason a 50 year old should’ve taken himself out of the situation.
@@Johnny-ci8mw Shut the hell up, you knew better at 17 not to do this shit. Making excuses for these people is so god damn dumb. Also no one is obligated to run away.
Who stabs people then casually walks away if you’re in danger u run
@@Johnny-ci8mwwrong they should respect their betters. They're all invading his country they don't even look like Americans. 😅😅
@@Johnny-ci8mw the drunk dudes stole the man's phone though. Fuck around and find out
Eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable testimony...just maybe, the girl who was "punched" lied and told everyone he hit her to get the guys to attack the defendant... just like Mr. Cockfield who lied about the defendant looking for little girls and thus inciting a riot...None of the "victims" are innocent victims. The defendant had a right to be where he was, people forget that he was looking for a cell phone which could have cost $1,500, and most likely had personal and financial information. The defendant had a right to look for the cell phone and the groups of people had no right to tell him to leave. In addition, putting your hands on someone is considered assault. Not a single witness has a clean slate on this one. Never push someone into a corner as you never know if, when, & how they will react. I would be humiliated to have been a part of such a group much less to be the person (Mr. Cockfield) who incited the group as they are responsible for a young man's death (as is the young man himself). 15 to 20 people against 1 person... this was definitely overcharged... and the kids (if they were charged... it would have been as adults) all have blood on their hands.
100%
So let me get this straight, in this great country that we live in it’s ok for a drunken mob to attack you but it’s not ok for you to defend yourself, just making sure I know where I stand…
Yes, I agree that the kids are guilty of being stupid. We all know that when teenagers are together, they don't think just being stupid and being funny. As parents, we were teenagers once. We are all guilty of seeing kids being bullied in school or name calling. Just teach your kids to stay away from kids who are troublemakers. The man should have called the cops.
Or walked away!
I don’t think the kids should be blamed for everything. They were not in the right, that is for sure, but I fail to understand why the man didn’t walk away but instead pulled out a knife . If this was self defense, why did he need to lie to the police? Everyone is worried about drunk and lying teenagers but no one worries about an adult who stabbed people and took someone’s life. If you’re afraid, leave the situation. There was a big, open river. All he had to do is walk away. This “self defense” defense for Nicolai is a passport to murder.
The teenagers that are still alive should be educated but he should be held responsible for his actions.
Clear cut self defense case here no pun intended, but even worse, why on earth is the prosecution going for first degree murder? This is a slam dunk for the defense unbelievably easy to create reasonable doubt here. The witnesses were drunk minors and have no clue what happened. Should have tried for a lesser charge for any chance at winning.
The old guy is white and he killed a mutt
Humiliation ritual.
I don’t believe it’s that easy. If he had any unreasonable intent to harm or kill, it’s 1st degree. A lot of people think 1st degree just means premeditated. That’s not the case, at least in Wisconsin. It’s clear to me that he threw the first punch. He’s going to have to answer why a blonde girl half his size who was just yelling at him to go away made him feel in danger enough to punch her in the face and make the situation physical when he could’ve just listened and walked to the shoreline.
@@Johnny-ci8mw I agree self defense is proportional, self defense is limited to raising the amount of violence only enough to stop the attack. Mui went way beyond any act of self defense.
@@Johnny-ci8mwshe hit him! Put her hands on him!
This prosecutor doesn’t have a confrontational bone in his body. He needs to find another line of work.
Moralof the story is 'don't get involved if you don't understand the argument'
You'd think the disemboweled dude would have learned a lesson or two about ganging up on people and lying to get other people into trouble - but apparently not.
Imagine having almost two years to reflect on his own (and his whole group's) role in the incident, but intsead just doubling down with more "but, Maaam..." excuses - all while assuming everyone else is dumb af and will continue to go along with the whiny crybully bs story that he was just "Attempting to De-escalate“
Sure. So now we de-escalate by trying to forcefully keep an old man down in flowing water? in a position whereby he was being repeatedly hit in the head? Ok nice bro, that's some WWE level conflict res skill... So base 😂
To be fair I don't know what the AJ guy actually believes about him and his friends after watching that video but if I was him and my self proclaimed "peacemaker" efforts resulted in 5 stabbed, one dead, and everyones elses guts popping out I would have to give some serious thought to seeking out a qualified mental health professional to help to me reconsider my perception of self, and help better understand if there are any points where my imagination and reality have possibly intersected harmful ways.
He has to take the stand to have a legitimate self-defense claim…right?
they take the stand last, the witnesses always go first..and his Defense Attorney said Miu will take the stand, which is break the State case, cus each and every witnesses was fumbling the case for the State..objections and answers like 'i dont know' or 'not sure' but yet they can clearly remember something that happened 3sec before LOL
He 100% needs to take the stand to tell the jury why he felt the need to stab someone… and then continue stabbing people after everyone is running and screaming.
Legally it isn't required, and in almost any criminal trial the defendant should maintain their 5th amendment rights. But with a self defense claim it is important to convey his exact thoughts at the time and the only way to do that is to ask him.
@@Johnny-ci8mwI didn't see any evidence of him chasing people. It looks to me like he starts swinging and makes contact with a number of people who were around him.
Listening to the wife was painful.
Totally
Classic case of bullies playing victims after realized they abused with the wrong person. “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
Can somebody tell me why the defense keeps asking the witnesses what hand his client used to punch the lady? What does it matter? He just keeps reminding the jury that the defendant threw the first punch and escalated the situation. I know he’s trying to poke holes in the story, but it’s not working in my opinion.
It’s not working.
Was driving me nuts but I think it’s to muddle it up for the jurors to bring doubt in on him even starting the physical altercation since that part isn’t on video…like how could he of punched her with his right hand if holding the knife?🤷♀️ I have lost count of how many witnesses testified this man hit that woman first tho.
I think it's because when they talked to the police everybody said something different about it.
Because that was the main point of escalation that initiated where it all went wrong. They're all inconsistent with their own past statements and each others. One guy said he remembers the defendant grabbing the girl by her hair and pulling it back, no one else said that and and how does that make sense with whatever movements her body's making at that point in the video.. .
Also they vary even on the stand when asked to talk about how he hit her, some even aquiesce to a lesser contact than they described questions eariler. At least one of the girls admits to putting her hands on him and pushing him before it, which makes it more plausible that he was reacting to that and didn't initiate the deadly altertcation.
@@erinkalb9523 but he’s not even arguing that he wasn’t the one who threw the first punch, just the way in which he did punch her. The defense really needs to start repeating “everybody was drunk. How are they supposed to be reliable?” instead of “what hand did he use to punch the girl?” It’s such a specific thing. I don’t think the jury is going to be like “huh, the witnesses don’t remember what hand he used 2 years ago, that must mean they’re lying.” Why would they be focused on what hand he used during all the chaos?
Corrupt police. The beginning of the video magically erased? WHAT.
😂 😂 what interest would the police have in erasing the video?
This case reminds me of so many people who get killed cause they bully the wrong person. Anyone of them in that mans shoes would have doe the same. He didnt plan on killing anyone, or think he did. He has to live with that forever, u can see the terror in his face. These kids these days have no respect for people. It just so sad. Hope god gives the mother and issacs family peace.
Do you remember he was over at their tubes! Why? Remember him reaching into their tubes around their legs. Are you watching this trial. I’m not sure it called for stabbings! I’ll watch remainder of trial before judging.
@@DRobb-zi2rjim going to say that he told them he was looking for a phone and they held up a phone, teasing him like it’s the one he was looking for. That’s when he ran over to them. These kids are/were bullies! We’ll just have to see what he has to say. If that’s what happened, these kids will never admit it!
One juror is going to say it was self defense that’s all he needs for a non guilty verdict. I’m not condoning his actions but no one remembers anything, everyone’s lying, I don’t recall, I don’t know. This is the worst prepared trial I’ve ever seen.
That will just result in a hung jury. It will not free him or prove his innocence. The case would have to be Re tried .
Wrong all that needs to happen is that it wasn't premeditated. That's it. They're going for first degree murder. The defense is demolishing the case. They could all agree that he murdered the kid, but because they're going for first degree murder, if there's any doubt on intent, then he's home-free. Prosecution made a huge mistake going for first degree in this.
It's not the worst prepared, the defense are pretty good I think.
Its just the most blatantly bias and dishonest witnesses.
They can't make their stories work and get defensive when getting cross examined, I assume due in part to the video showing them morph into an angry lynchmob void of individual thinking, taunting, hitting and pushing a person from in front and back hind while also above him because hesON THE GROUND. Bullies are generally frowned up these days, we're all supposed to know better, or think we do.
They were all drunk and high out of their minds that's why they can't remember.
Self defense .
Sorry if this is mean, but I have no hope for young people when I heard that young girl with the dark hair testify. My God
The phlebotomist who couldn't distinguish left from right?? 🥺
The other girl that was her friend was so honest though. One of the stab victims it was crazy
Q: “Where were you in relation to him?” A: “We are not related” 🤦
@@lisaerickson6533😬
Swear she was on something