LIVE | Apple River stabbing trial: Nicolae Miu - Day 1
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- Опубликовано: 31 мар 2024
- Nicolae Miu, 54, is facing charges of first-degree intentional homicide for the death of 17-year-old Isaac Schuman and multiple counts of attempted first-degree intentional homicide for his alleged role in the stabbings on the Apple River in Wisconsin on July 30, 2022.
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I didn’t see any fear in the group of teenagers. I saw and heard them verbally and physically attack Miu. That’s not what I call fear. They were were taunting him and the guy who was taking the video was getting everyone stirred up. Just so he could get a good video to post on social media. This was so disgusting and unnecessary. I’m not sure how I would respond, but I’m sure by the time the knife came out, Miu was feeling out numbered and in fear for his life.
I was a cocky know it all teen! I'm sure surrounded by your buddies you feel invincible till the shit hit the fan and this dude starts shaking and slicing! Then the video shows the the real fear those teens had. As soon as they noticed the blood they scattered like Flys. It could've of been our kids out there and we would not be saying "well they had it coming" this dude took it way too far. From the looks of his actions with not talking and the smirk on his face it looks like alcohol played a part as well. In my opinion they're all guilty and should all get some type of punishment but Mr M deserves some time behind bars for killing a kid. The first girl that got stabbed 115lbs what could she of done to hurt this guy? He just started stabbing without thinking.
Some of my family are law enforcement officers. If they were surrounded by a drunk mob being assaulted, lethal force would be used and justified under the law.
Didn't the dependent throw the first punch?
Makes me wonder what they would think if that was thier father being mobbed and taunted by a bunch of drunk kids.
@@club805clothing What if that was your father out there? I’m pretty sure by the time he stabbed the 115 pound girl, he was in fight or flight mode. The situation had escalated to a full blown attack of Miu. That mob of teens and young adults was out of control before he started stabbing. The headlines in the media would have been “52 year old man attacked and killed by a mob of 13”. I say he had every right to defend himself.
I really think the state of WI messed up on the correct charge and that may be the defendant's saving grace. They have to prove intent to murder. There are clear instances in the video where the defendant starts walking away from the group and they continue to harass him. They both had equal opportunity to walk away and deescalate. He didnt go into the situation intending to murder someone. I think the state is going to have a really hard time proving intent, which is a big part behind this charge. Just from all the evidence and testimony so far, there is no way they are going to get a unanimous vote from the jury. At least one juror will have the ability to think logically and see there is no way the intent to murder was there beyond a reasonable doubt, unless the jury is tampered with/coerced by public pressure.
The jury probably will have lesser included charges as options on the verdict form. I would vote NG.
u cant walk back up river 😕
Agree. First degree doesn't fit.
When nicolae was being called names he decided to stab them, clear planing of murder
@@tiffanyclark-grove1989 The Law is also very clear. There is no requirement to walk away …absolutely zero. Mr Mui had every legal right to stand where he was standing.
Couldn’t stand the girl in the hospital saying how bad everyone is these days.
Yeah, include yourself and your friends. *Edit. He was correctly convicted, however these young adults are tools.
I thought i was the only 1 who found her repulsive……exactly. That is the attitude of our old teenagers/young adults. God help the future
😒🙄 you are an adult at 25 as bad as teenagers can be this grown man should have leave !
Who stay with 13 teenagers who are drunk and drugged come on now,,
she watched her friend get hit, someone die, her friend get disembowled, multiple people stabbed, and was in the hospital obviously on pain meds after surgery. I wouldn't judge her based on a fox news interview.
@missvegasable I've watched every single minute and hour of this trial including all the pre trial interviews. I'm very aware how she acting but yelling at someone for punching/slapping your friend isn't a face isn't a valid reason to stab someone.
@@krystadowney3686~ no let’s judge her for being an idiot and she should be charged with assault.
The teenagers escalated this entire thing. Took nothing into a chaotic nightmare getting themselves, and those strangers all worked up because they lied, saying he was a danger. Putting out fire with gasoline.... they were hysterically laughing at this guy while involving strangers as well that he was a pedophile. Making it up so that this guy would be further in danger.
Escalated the whole entire thing. They turned absolutely nothing ... into this. And def not saying what he did was at all ok. He deserves to be accountable for his actions. The whole thing is insane.. just saying who orchestrated the entire thing were these immature drunk and baked kids. Sad.
Yep, so not only did these teenagers get themselves into a shitload of issues they also go strangers involved in it too who also end up hurt too.
She is fibbing he was not the first one to make contact. That would be Madison. They could've walked away themselves. Instead, 13 people surrounded him. I would've been in fear for my life after watching the video. I know one thing for sure, it was not 1st degree murder or attempted 1st degree murder.
A drunk weirdo with a bizarre look on his face is lingering in their area, never explaining what he’s doing, and the teenagers taunt him, as any teenager would do. If anyone doesn’t understand that look, of an alcoholic, with that smirking, bizarre look, then you haven’t spent any time at a dive bar. They are the ones to avoid, they are lost in their own dark world.
the way those kids were shouting and getting in his face was insane, terrifying and i would have also feared for my life . their behavior was disgusting and their actions led them to where they are now.
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I agree. They were drunk and harassed that man falsely accusing him of being a pedophile. They surrounded him pushing on him, he hit the first girl because she was in his face and space, they all thought it was funny. He did walk away. But came back because they were still yelling and harassing him.. He was defending himself.
All this grown man should have done is tell them to F off and go back to his wife & friends! This man is in this due to his actions as well! This was not self defense this was not being able to control emotions and rage!
But Nikolai the old man stopped them first put his legs in their inner tubes and went let them go and then the fight started then he went back down to his party and got that knife.... You got to watch the whole trial... He actually started the fight the old man.... That's why they were shouting at him He had his feet in there tubes They didn't show that part nobody was filming at that time....
Hopefully you would have walked away the First time they asked you too.
They were so scared they punched mocked and pushed him over.
Why on earth would you provoke a man that you state you didn't know his attentions and were scared of him.
It was all fun and games till it wasn't.
EXACTLY!!
Similarly, why would he not leave and continue come back to the crowd of strangers if he's so scared
Whether you think he’s guilty or not, there’s most definitely reasonable doubt.
Oddly enough though, it is not up to the state to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. The defense has to prove self defense beyond a reasonable doubt. (In this case)
@@SkinneyBoi really? Why is it different in this case? State law?
@estrella5935 cuz the video proved he did in fact stab 5 people killing 1. so there is no doubt he did it. the defense has to prove he had no other choice but to use deadly force. the video does show people telling him to leave and his unwillingness to leave he put himself there in that situation and continued to do so.
@@estrella5935 many people told him to leave in group 1 and then group 2 told him to leave he had every chance to do so. instead decided to take out his knife and Escalate the situation by punching a woman.
Self-defense is an affirmative defense, so the defendant has the burden of producing evidence: He must put on some evidence from which a jury can find he BELIEVED he had no alternative but lethal force. Which, I don't believe he did. I see him check his knife to see if he is capable of lethal force before charging at the boys, before ANYBODY touches anybody.
I'm so sick of these cases where someone is literally surrounded by strangers and they defend themselves and then it's picked apart "oh he could have just walked away." Yeah ok. Uh huh. U have 13 people surrounding you and u have a knife. Tell me u wouldnt use it.
He surrounded himself by the large group by running toward them and then grabbing the one boys ankle and tipping him off of the tube and by refusing the 200+ demands that he get away from them.
Fact.
Except that he wasn't surrounded, he approached the group, he initiated violence, and he escalated the violence to deadly force. Nothing about this video displays self-defense. You people are insane.
He came at them. It’s obvious he used violence because they called him a name. I’m sorry what kind of world do you live in that you justify stabbing multiple people because your mad??
I guess if you were a cop you would shoot first then say freeze? You have a weapon you need to declare you are armed. I don't think this is a stand your ground state but either way, had they known Nich had a weapon and still charged him then I agree with self defense makes sense.
Recklessly calling someone a pedo and a rapist could absolutely lead to mob violence. I get that he was in fear for his life. The drunk blonde and the black guy have some responsibility for the tragic result.
I still think Sharon Tate would be alive today had she and her photographer treated Charlie Manson nicer when he walked into Sharon's property before the murders. Sharon didn't deserve to be attacked but Charlie Manson was already in a bad state of mind due to being rejected for a record contract. Charlie was on that property because Terry Melcher once lived there. Sharon's photographer came on strong with Charlie Manson during a photo shoot and then Sharon gave Charlie dirty looks. Charles Manson was a time bomb! He told his family group that Sharon and her photographer treated him like a turd that should have been flushed down the toilet. It's better to treat people with respect even if they tick you off.
The young people behaved like that part of the river belonged to them only. The defendant was searching on the ground for something.
@@diane4537 Are you off your meds???
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Squeaky Fromme has entered the chat. Do you still have a cross carved on your head?
He was so terrified of “the mob” that he came back twice, said nothing, just wondering around mute with a bizarre look on his face.
I feel the only reason why lingered around was that he was genuinely looking for (a) the phone his friend lost (b) the goggles and snorkel and (c) who would try to confront someone who is calling them a fucking pedophile? Accusations like that ALONE could get you murdered whether or not they’re true. Those teens and other adults who came up really escalated that scene into a mob attacking 1 man. Nicholae wasn’t trying to fight anyone or exchange insulted, he just wanted to find the stuff he was looking for and was being harassed by the mob and I felt he was actually confused on why they were all yelling at him and getting in his face; ESPECIALLY those two ugly older “ladies” who came over, so fucking obnoxious. I do think he should have made it better known he had a knife and they should back the fuck off and let him peacefully find the things he was looking for, but when you’re in a situation like that with so much chaos, you don’t always think clearly. Self defense PERIOD.
I don’t think he was paying attention to them at first. He was focused on finding the phone and maybe some treasures.
Unfortunately even if he had shown the knife or made it known he had one he would have been arrested for “threatening them with it” cause you know that would have been their claims as they called the police
The first law of self defense is reading the room, the mere thought of him THINKING invading someone else's spot touching their stuff, not communicating properly with them and being creepy is mind boggling.
This was ignorance mind boggling stupidity and pre meditated, he knew what he had and used it
The violent, brutal attackers were surprised their victim wanted to survive.
Sorry did you notice the part where he had his knife out before he was struck? And that he stabbed the girl Riley before they pushed him into the water? They attacked him after he stabbed their friend. Thats why he is guilty.
@@EmperorKarlFranz He was surrounded and being attacked by a mob, violently thrown in the water......THEN he fought for his SURVIVAL.
@@ChrisPBacon3000if he didnt stab them he wouldnt have died just at most been hurt
@@nomorelater56 You sound like someone that has to learn the hard way.
@@nomorelater56wow. You have a right to defend yourself. You can't predict how badly he would have been hurt or killed by the drunk and high mob.
I would’ve done the same exact thing I’m 66 I have COPD and if I had 20 people surrounding me pushing me hitting me and pushing me down in the water and I had nobody to help me and I happen to have a knife in my pocket, if I didn’t have a knife, I would’ve picked up a rock. I would’ve done something but this guy is innocent let him go. The guy that died made his own decisions and that’s why he’s dead right now. Bottom line truth let this man go. There was a guy was a baseball bat when the police got there that was gonna go try to continue to kill this guy with a baseball bat I mean come on This was definitely out of hand and these parents let their children do what they’re gonna do in fact, the guy that sent over his two kids, Mr. Carlson owns a bar and he went over there and escalated it even more to a point where they were attacking him and they ended up getting cutcome on it’s a no-brainer let the man go home with his wife
You're 100% correct.
You would have stabbed a 24 year old girl? That's a lot of fear in the home of the brave. Take a beating, or get away, i thought you guys were a tougher generation. Some kids called him names so he stabbed them.
Your 66 and have COPD you have no reason being in or near a river. In the first place, are you smart enough not to put yourself in dangerous positions? Are you?
Yea but they were not surrounding him. He had a clear path to turn and walk away. They asked him over and over and over to go away. It wasn’t until he hit the girl that they surrounded him.
I thought Biden had cognitive decline. You sir should get your address sewn into your clothes, and maybe a helmet. Also I think you have a strong case for a lawsuit against whatever school you went to because they did you great disservice on your education on logic.
My husband always says don’t pull a weapon unless you intend to go all the way.
Facts!
He definitely went all the way. Life in prison
The video of Rylee saying people don’t care about others is utterly disgusting after watching how she treated an innocent older man
A group of drunk kids are taunting him, surround him, push him down into the water, attack him, then cry fowl when he defends himself.....
He shouldn't have been there with a knife you see drunks you run ! You don't stab
@@sarahrean7174 Drunk kids should have left him alone!
@@sarahrean7174 That's one of the dumbest things I have ever heard, " you see drunks you run" ??? Drunks are everywhere, I guess people just be running around all over the place to avoid drunks.... dumb
He was the aggressor in the beginning though - if you start it, you can't claim self defense.
@sarahrean7174 tf?? It was a pocket knife! They were on the RIVER on a wooded area. Tf you talking about?
Murder 1 is not the correct charge. Isn't that usually for premeditated?
Yeah, I don’t understand how this could get to premeditated murder. I could even see manslaughter, depending on who initiated and originally started physically, pushing and shoving.
Not in Wisconsin. 1st degree murder in Wisconsin is simply "intent to kill", not necessarily premeditation.
Demonstrating one's "intent" is a challenging task to accomplish.
Not really. Especially not with the video evidence in this case. You don't think pulling a knife on a woman before punching her, and then gutting the man that comes to her defense doesn't show intent?@@WhimsicalWonder11
All it takes is a split second decision for it to be premeditated I believe.
It's really sad that these teens got injured and especially Isaac having lost his life, but I am sorry, that is a clear case of self defence whether it is upsetting or not.
The defense attorney is very good
Not really. Not even close. He started the story AFTER the point where his client ran up to the victim group (reaching down to make sure his knife was there). You can't just skip the entire portion of events that show your client initiating the confrontation AND the subsequent violence. He also skipped right over Miu punching the first female victim. He also says that his client only feared for his life AFTER being punched and pushed into the water, yet Miu already had his blade out BEFORE and physical violence began. He's off to a terrible start.
You can prove that this man didn't take kindly to being heckled, but in no way does the defense prove that he was in fear for his life. Miu sought out a fight, initiated a fight, and escalated the fight to lethality.
@@ram_bam ...that can all be true and he can still be a very good attorney, which I, too, agree with
@@ram_bam tell Kyle Rittenhouse his attorney isn't good 🤣
@@ram_bam I thought the man was looking for some buddy's phone? He was searching the ground.
@@diane4537 that's what he says. Does that give someone the right to approach you and start grabbing at your raft? That's why Miu did.
For the love of all things holy. Why do people click pens in court!
I think it’s court reporter
And tap on the table near the microphone
Seriously
This is off-topic, but a genuine comment. If certain sounds like that trigger you, you might have misophonia. I have it, but my trigger is vocal fry, haha.
It is someone on the state table typing on his laptop.
If Nich was so sure it was self defense then why did he throw knife? Why did he ask what happened? Why did he lie to cops?
Absolutely right! That’s screams guilt to me.
I think he wanted to use the knife.
This is about self defense at the moment he stabbed these teenagers,whether he felt in danger.
@@marmite.yeah but it’s not only that. It’s if he started the violence. It’s also weather his force was a reasonable response to the threat. Those are both necessary to understand.
@@talcat8031 the kid said it himself,he was going past them and because he was not on a rubber ring but snorkeling they thought it odd and starting calling him for no reason,the video shows their mob mentality when they knew he was out numbered plus they wanted more attention so screamed he was a pedophile for others to come..he was in the middle of a bunch of drunk drugged up teens with adults heading his way..
The teens thought their mob mentality was funny till it wasn't..
It's what he thought at that moment, was his defence over the top, how many were there against one man.
Damn, this is going to be a complex case. Idk if the jury could go murder 1… my heart goes out to the young people that were stabbed, and gravely injured but they were taunting and trying to humiliate him. He was outnumbered by a long shot and I could understand in that situation being in fear. But why did he lie? Why did he try to disguise himself? He did have a chance to walk away, but so did everyone else. Idk this is a hard one any way you look at it. Devastating that a kid with a bright future had to die like this.
But in question here is self defense. In Wisconsin for this to be valid then he had to have no opportunity to walk away. And that is the problem with his defense
They weren't just trying to humiliate him. They were trying to get everyone around to believe he was a predator so they wouldn't be exposed of their own cruel and reprehensible behavior.
I heard the opposite. Wisconsin is not a walkaway state
Why did he approach the group to begin with ???? 🤷🏽♀️
@joblacksto he didn't, as the kid states he was going by and they started calling him,he turned round when they called him a pedophile ne5999
Surprising to me they charged murder one. I do not see that on day one. Not even close.
1st degree murder is different in Wisconsin. They don't need to prove premeditation, only intent to kill. I'd say pulling a blade before any physical violence even begins, and then initiating the physical violence, and then proceeding to stab anyone within reach (aiming at their vital organs) is very easily proven here.
He was considering deadly intent even as he was initially approaching the group (as can be seen by him reaching down to be sure his knife was where he needed it to be). His actions after the fact also show indifference to human life. He attempted to get rid of the murder weapon (which no one would feel that they need to do in a self-defense situation, nor would someone in fear for their life discard their only deadly means of protecting it).
He then lied to the sheriff and detectives. It was only when he was informed the altercation was captured on video that he even began the "self-defense" angle, up until that point he'd been acting like he heard about the stabbing but had nothing to do with it.
Mr. Mui's actions before, during, and after the altercation speaks volumes to his state of mind, intent, and willingness to inflict deadly violence. He not only ran up to the large group that he was "in fear" of, but then refused to leave the area when they were repeatedly telling him to. Then, "in fear of his life" he punches a female who is trying to direct him back to his party. He stabbed members of two separate parties.
All that being said, the defense has a decent chance of winning it they can secure a largely white, baby boomer jury.
@@ram_bam I completely agree with your assessment. I do wish Nelson had said that they were all stupid cocky 17 year olds who were just acting like 17 year old jerks. They didn’t threaten him. Miri could have been the adult and just walked away.
Yeah, it's been disheartening to read so many posts that are seemingly gleeful that a kid lost his life over the ego of a psychotic manchild who couldn't tolerate being heckled. Disgusting, really. I don't know how anyone can watch the video in its entirety and claim self-defense.@@kathyeyesopen4078
@@kathyeyesopen4078didn’t threaten him? They’re recording him calling him a pedo and rper. People lose their livelihoods because of videos like that getting posted online. He was minding his own business and they taunted him with a current, real-world threat to one’s safety and security (a cancel culture video). And he takes his knife out after they mob him. I’ve slowed down the video and it happens after they start to attack him.
@@ram_bam It doesn't have to be a white baby boomer jury, the video says it. Self-defense!
One of the few cases where I side with the defense. The state claims in opening arguments that the defendant was never touched by anyone before he attacked. They must not have watched the same video I watched.
Since when does a grown man, in a PUBLIC place, not even acknowledging a group of drunk young men, have to do what they say? If Nicolae isn't harming anybody, why would this group of people believe he has to go away just because they say so??
Wade up to their inertubes touch them invade personal space, not give clear indication why your there.
And ignore the calls of the young ones to leave their space, that's asking for trouble they arent your kids.
What I see is that people in America don't educate their children at all, probably they are raised by themselves and become savages like animals, then they find excuses for their acts. These people are already dead inside.
Isaac put his hands on Miu’s throat, Dante punched him, AJ shoved him down twice. EASY Self-Defense their, but IDK how he explains the others.
The teens should be on trial for the murder of their friend that they left to die. Young people are gonna learn to leave people alone!
Can someone tell me what time this trial will start tomorrow Est ?
They include this in the coverage. 8am Tuesday.
It appears to be self defense. He's an older person and it appears multiple people were shoving him to the ground. Sounds like a bunch of asshole kids trying to get the guy to start fighting. If anything I hope the kids learned a lesson.
He wasn't shoved until he first punched a girl, unfortunately that didn't make it on the video as he pans away at that moment but all witnesses say he punched her and then was shoved...don't tell me you wouldn't of reacted the same way if it was your friend who was punched.
Nothing in this situation warrants a stabbing...he's a man and bigger then the kids...he can't use his fists too? The one who died was trying to get the defendant off of another person and was killed, tony was just trying to get him to go and was stabbed, he never pushed or punched him. He was just stabbing anyone that came close to him.
@@leahbrehm2657 It's "wouldn't have," not "wouldn't of"
@@leahbrehm2657 - Even if he did "first punch the girl", by law, he can defend himself, meaning, being physically assaulted does give you the opportunity to defend yourself at the time of being attacked, but it does not give the attacker (in this case, the girl) the right to retaliate with force and the mob did just that. They knocked him down twice and held him down while hitting him, which is not legal. By law, you can only retreat while defending yourself, not provoke the attack.. and since Mr. Miu was retreating while defending himself, that makes it justified. That's how the law works.
Except that he had his knife pulled even before the altercation began, after HE approached their group, AND he initiated the physical violence. You can see him reaching down to make sure his knife is there AS he is running up to the group.
Rhyley could have walked away / not involved herself. She actually had a choice. ( unlike Mui) Also, he was not the one to instigate the verbal or physical attacks / assaults. He feared for his life ahead of them all & Understandably so!
Two convincing opening arguments but I can see self defense easily after video and first 2 witnesses. Good defense attorney too.
Yes. I 100% believe it was self defense. I am only a second generation immigrant whose first language is English and even I thought, “for the culture!” was some sort of battle cry to beat him up. The young man who recorded the video and instigated this entire incident claims it means “for the greater good” and that’s a complete lie. It means you do something you want to do even if it’s bad, but you do it “for the culture” anyway. They absolutely wanted to destroy that man, first by threatening his entire career, family, and livelihood by making public and recorded shouts that he’s a pedo (and undoubtedly would’ve posted it online), then by physically mobbing him. The guy in the yellow was trying to push his face under the water after he’s already been pushed, punched, and slapped by young, fit, strong athletes (and this generation famously dislikes “boomers” and older people). I would’ve been fighting for my life, too.
When hes walking away hes actually look down in the water,as though hes looking for something but they screaming taughting him.
to me it is just disrespectful teens as usual. i feel no remorse
“Old man.” LOL Defense is not credible.
If they were all over .2 BAC, that is pretty intoxicated, especially for teens. Plus weed mixed in, a complete clusterfuck.
That dude aint guilty of anything but protecting Himself
It's obvious they had the phone and showed it to him and that's why he charged them. Then they dropped it in the water and he's frantically looking for it. He knew they were drunk/obnoxious so he didn't want to engage with them to further escalate the situation. They wanted to make a viral moment and twist what happened. THEY are guilty, not him!!
not guilty
Around 3:15:00 the prosecutor states: "when you were having an argument w/ mr Miu...."
An "Argument?" Mr. Miu was not saying ANYTHING- how does that constitute an "argument"??
This was not an innocent bunch of young kids.
This was a pack of drunk and vicious young men who incited and
harassed a man who was doing nothing to them.
If Those kids are under 21 they shouldn't be drinking the dad should have stepped in and said this is illegal. 20 somethings shouldn't drink either if they are stupid.
The dad should have been the adult and told the kids to leave it alone , however the dad failed . He was sober?
I know the saying, play silly games win silly prizes but i too played those games and thankfully i lived to regret them, this is a difficult case to call,
My younger self would say the defendant went too far by using a knife but the kids did go too far by putting hands on him, words are ok as its cruel but can be ignored but pushing slapping punching was also too far
Really? They were yelling “he’s looking for little girls and he’s a pedo” that alone could have gotten him killed.
Wow, had he not lied this may have never come to trial
The teenagers are the problem, “it’s weird he was next to us and talking to us” maybe it’s a human interaction next to you. You feel socially awkward & incompetent then just randomly call him names.
They were all big enough to get in his face but not so big enough now he is the victim in this case not them nasty mouths
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This man has already lost 2 years with his family due to these "drunk adolescences" behavior. If there is as many people standing behind this man as I think there is..if this ends badly for him, everyone knows these kids names and will make their lives a living hell for what THEY caused. Don't call yourself a victim when there is video showing you causing it all in the first place.
Not Guilty 100 percent Self Defense. I feel so bad for Mr. Miu. The women riley and maddie are the ones at fault. The football players are demons who started it. I pray for a just jury NOT GUILTY SELF DEFENSE 100 PERCENT i feel bad for issacs mom but she should have taught him not to bully. There are many discrepencies that show lies and no accountability. These brats ruined Mr Mius life. Issac and his friends are at fault. Carleson group is 100 percent in the guilt. Riley and Maddie are liars and deserve prison time.
Absolutely
He guilty... wrong verdict 💯
This is a waste of money stop the trial send them home, and the guy that died shouldn’t have been there and his alcohol contact proved it you’re talking about a 50-year-old man with quadruple bypass surgery, who is pale, white and unable to speak, and then threat and scared for his lifethis man is innocent and needs to be sent home to his family
This is an important live lesson for these young people. They were out of control because they were younger and stronger. They didn’t consider the possible consequences of their actions.
Thank you for this well made commenting video on this trial. I'm watching from Europe and it helps me understand the process of the trial. Great job! 👍
Let this be a serious and important to the young witness who was Isaacs friend.
You can't put the fear of god into someone and think they won't defend themselves.
Expensive and important lesson.
PS: Dump Jahwan (sp?) as a friend, he'll only land you in prison.
The lawyers think we can't hear them whispering to each other. We can hear you!
Those kids didn't seem scared at all. In fact, they seemed to be having the time of their lives until they saw blood. Then, the fear set in. Drunk courage. That said, I definitely think Miu made some mistakes. But "intentional homicide?" I think not.
The ultimate FAFO! I bet those "kids" learned that day, don't FA, and you'll be alright. As a parent of a 17 yr old young man, and a 14 yr old daughter I can say with absolute certainty, my kids would NEVER act like this, they have respect, for themselves and those around them, not to mention respect for their elders, and this shows the parents *Lack* of parenting. Sad! Sad that the parents *Failed* their kids, and this was the product of their failure.
Are the teenagers going to be ticketed for underage drinking? The ones that are still alive? And the older "adults" that were with the group of teenagers, they must have provided the alcohol for these teenagers, will they be ticketed and or jailed for giving alcohol for underage teenagers? I have a HUGE problem for underage drinking, or even drinking altogether. I use to drink, A LOT and have been sober for almost 7 years. So, I have a problem with this.
Ya got balls for being 17 and drinking in public, that is for sure.
Tragic. If anyone can get the address to send inmates letters after he’s been sentenced I want to screenshot all the supportive and kind comments in support of Mr. Miu and send him an uplifting letter.
I have already found that you can write to the jail easy enough because I wanted to write myself. But you have a super idea here. My mom wrote to a state prison inmate with life in prison for murder, until he died. He so appreciated her letters, I still have them.
@@candykane4271 Thank you. It’s been three weeks of trying to find a way.
She involved her self is something that should have handled the situation... Instead of de-escalating as the older adults have the other teenagers side and an adult. But her and her friend instead of de-escalating escalated escalated the situation which brought more people over to investigate.. so yes I would say this man has a self-defense case. After all the video does show me surrounding him.
The two women, should have never approached the defendant in the first place. Some women try to act big and tough, until they get knocked down.
These parents raised disrespectful kids that f***** around and find out. I feel bad that one passed away but they had no right ganging up on a grown man like that
Leave it to this age group to ruin midwest river tubing.
Meanwhile the drunk And high teens who where about to beat up an old guy for media clout.... didn't? I know you aren't that smart but you can't be THAT dumb.
World Star videos are no joke, it's sick and sad.
The prosecutor’s typing during opening is SO annoying
These kids, and the semi adults are animals. 100% self defense. This video does nothing but help the defense.
What a snooze fest from prosecutors! Jeez Louise! I like the whispers of what still to show. Definitely can tell this takes place waaayyy up north.
A simple case of misunderstanding one another turned violent 😕 when hotheads collide
This Boomer though these bullies a thing or two about life - Don't F with random people, you don't know what they're going through
I feel so terrible for Nicolae Mui. Just after triple bypass, several other surgeries, not in the best shape, being attacked verbally, then physically by a group of rabid animals. He was doing NOTHING wrong, swimming in shallow water is totally normal - but the INSTIGATOR thought he was "weird" so they mocked, ridiculed and slandered him in public before encircling him and assaulting him. What else was he supposed to do?? Watching Nicolae tear when he saw his dog in a photo, was heartbreaking. This guy has a soul. Those "kids" - do NOT.
From my view Mr Miu was completely bullied and if he didnt defend himself, might be dead himself. It appeared these high schoolers and young adults were trying to hit him so hard as to drown him
Demons running those kids
This entire situation is sad, but it wasnt murder.
He said he took the knife ftom someon else. But now he took it out his pocket lying to cops takes away credablity
These teen boys, sheesh, so tragic of an event.
The video clearly illustrates the egging on, taunting, and exacerbating of the situation.
Self defense 💯
Great video coverage of this trial! Audio is great, also. I am very impressed with the Judge and the Prosecution and Defense teams. This is such a sad case. The total lack of respect by the teens was disgusting to me.
Listen carefully they chant "per-vert culture" not "for the culture" they lied on the stand, perjury
Doesn’t matter what your doctrine is the guy was being attacked by 20 people I would’ve done the same thing I’m 66 years old. I’d be scared up my ass I would have no recourse not to mention that the after the whole thing there was a kid with a baseball bat gonna go and try to kill himthey were after him from the very start let the man go home. The guy who got stabbed was in the wrong and that’s what happens when you make stupid drunken moves. It’s simple case over.
Yes, the teenagers taunted the defendant. Could they have left? Yes. Does that make up for stabbing 5 people and killing 1. NO!
The defendant looked bewildered from the moment he approached the teenagers.
Were they all in the wrong? Yes. But that still doesn't make up for stabbing 5 people and killing 1.
After he left he got rid of the murder weapon, he walked past a police officer, did like nothing has happened, and when asked he lied.
Its pretty damning when you throw the first punch.
1:06:47 this DA is such a liar. The people who got physical first were Madi and Rhyly when they shoved and grabbed Miu. According to WI law, that is both harassment and assault. And the boys screaming at him that he’s a peadoh is ALSO harassment under WI law. THEY are the criminals.
Well, he played judge, jury and executioner for harassment and simple assault.
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You look at this man you can tell that he has a heart problem. He’s pale he’s white he seems to be maybe have had some mental disability from the heart surgery and was scared. He was petrified, scared white he thought he was going to be killed he was being attacked. That’s the bottom line and the story and the alcohol content on the people that were attacking him who got injured was twice the legal limit over 2 1/2 times the legal limit and they were laughing about Itbottom line let this man go. I feel bad for the loss of that man but that’s what alcohol does to you
Camera man is horrendous
These kids didn’t learn respect at all. They had NO respect for their elders. Parents teach your kids respect.
The guy was harassing young girls punched one in the face they yelled for help this adult is gross but the kids
@@mikealinewallgren4985 He literally didn't punch her though. You're too gullible. Why would they need to yell for help? They far outnumbered him. They were yelling for more people bc they were literally a frenzied mob.
She put herself in That position, he wasn’t saying or doing anything to that group on the rivers edge. They took upon themselves to insert themselves into that situation. She says she can barely handle herself well then why did you think it was a good idea to go over and start getting into the situation and getting into his face yelling. Again both sides have some shit but these teenagers get off acting like this, of course kids will continue to act like this because they are not being held responsible for their part or actions!
I must have missed it but what exactly started all this. Was it that the kids lost phone in the water and he came to help or what?
Wow! That sobered them up quick….”this isn’t real”. Failed to see any consequences of insighting violence
1:35 the guest remarks about showing frame by frames was ABSOLUTELY GENIUS 🧐🤓these people are not lawyers. This is also boring to them. Like when your wife wants you to watch greys anatomy with her. It gives them a visual start to seeing the whole picture. Like reading the cliff notes it gives you an advantage. THE BIGGEST BENEFIT IS THAT THEY CAN TELL THEIR VERSION WITHOUT INTERRUPTIONS FROM THE DEFENSE.
As long as you pay attention to the marked number of the frame. With over 4,000 single slides, you can repaint to suit your needs. The frames marked number will always be the tell.
If you have ever been hit that hard in real life. You would stab too if it happened more then once. Especially in water you can drowned in.
Self Defense!
I don't blame him. group of teens acting a fool adults not doing shit.
I watched this and replayed it over a few times what i dont understand is the boy Issac in the purple shorts that lost his life it shows after he was stabbed that he had yellow shorts on?
All in all what a tragic and sad event i pray for everyone that was involved
The boy in the yellow shorts (name escapes me) was disemboweled but amazingly survived. Issac had purple shorts but I’m not sure where his body landed, somewhere to the side. I don’t think it gets seen again on camera but I think the blood filling up the water is from him and not yellow shorts. Just because positionally where it’s flowing from, but that part could be wrong. I was confused too. But yellow shorts has now testified.
Don't drink and tube
Self-defense for sure. The man walked away twice. He took a few steps away from the tubes and the kids continued to yell and laugh at him. Then he walked toward a woman in a calm manner. He was not aggressive at all.
The group of kids bullied him, pushed him into the water, and smashed his face into the water, the man could've felt as if the kids were going to drown him. The deceased was not a part of the group but decided to jump in and harm the man. He's guilty. All these kids are guilty.
Nikoli was a convicted pedo.
@@lit1electric liar
The deceased was part of the group that was first harassed.
Blame game. He had the opportunity to walk away and he REFUSED. Instead, he attacked and hurt many people.
Not self defense.
@@Dreasura what are you talking about? He walked upstream then walked toward the woman, hoping to explain what happened. Then the group of boys started gaslighting him by saying, “he's looking for little girls.” Then everyone started attacking him. There were no signs of fear coming from the group of boys as you can see smiling, laughing, and harrassing him. They pushed and hit him several times. Right as the stabbing occurred, the boy in yellow shorts pushed him.
IN MY OPINION - This man was looking for a friends cell phone ... those boys STARTED IT - plain and simple, they didnt need to bother this guy who was snorkling looking for a friends cell phone .. they asked him what he was looking for and they misheard what he said .. they had no right to be calling him names ... Now I dont know why he ran over to them, that was on him, but they totally surrounded him and he felt threatened ... these kids were bullying him, there were people all around him .... this is a hard case but I see his side too
The first question I have is why did he have a knife on him in the first place? With that asked I also have to say ok yeah these drink kids were in the wrong for doing what they did but is that make it ok for this at the time 52 year old man to stab and kill a 17 year old boy
Lol @ the prosecutor trying to make fact that Miu was the only calm person in the crowd a bad thing.
Such a sad and tragic situation for both sides wrong time and wrong day and stabbing teenagers disemboweled a peace maker he should’ve just walked away so none of that would’ve happened.
There is a video called 'keep one foot in the dark age'. I commented in that video and it does apply here. Freedom is fine as long as one person's freedom does not violate another person's freedom. But today these kids are only concerned about their freedom and what it demands regardless of others freedoms and/or constitutional rights. Old school had to put both feet into the dark age to survive.... Respect brother and for you genZers ... Don't F with old school.
What the laws and lawyers are teaching today’s society is you can pretty much treat/do whatever you want to ANYONE under the influence of any substance BUT just don’t get caught and if anyone defends themselves you’ll have a corrupt ethical lawyer defend your foolish stupid decisions in life.
River footage begins @ 2:55:42 😰😭
Thank you ❤😇🙏