Using a CRT to game with titles from 2019????
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2019
- Gaming with modern PC hardware (sleeper PC) on a CRT in games from 2019? Is it a good idea to play Apex Legends, Battlefield V, Fortnite or CS:GO on a Cathode Ray Tube? I took on the challenge of finding a decent CRT in 2019 and it's not easy!
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Dat OSD tho... Ahh the feeling of a fresh degauss. Also, 3:06 DID YOU JUST ASSUME BLOODHOUND'S GENDER!?
LOL FK I did
@@TimmyJoePCTech hey... MSI B450M-PRO-M2 has integrated graphics if you have any AMD AM4 Ryzen G-class CPU, and Radeon for integrated graphics uses VGA. I just bought that motherboard. However I went with an X-class CPU. So no integrated graphics.
@@TimmyJoePCTech you should get a USB 2.0 to PS/2 adapter. Specially a green one that matches the color of the times.
yes!!!! my daughter had no idea. she thought I was breaking the damn thing lol
@@TimmyJoePCTech as far as I know the gtx 900 series supports CRT.
The flicker is not present in real life people.
@Eyecat15 FBI OPEN UP
it is, but not as noticeable, the noticeability diminishes above 85hz, which is why majority of crt's defaulted to that refresh rate. it almost disappears above 120
@@johannsmith5697 Yeah, I remember at 50Hz it was very noticeable and gave me a headache. 60Hz + was okay. On the crt's I used anyway.
@@DJ_Dopamine yup 60 is like 50% better than 50hz and 85 is like 30% better than 60, and 100 is 10% better than 85 and 120 5% etc
@@johannsmith5697 oddly specific percentages there lol
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This is the best comment!
Loll
I have a couple of 80`s IBMs that look exactly like them lol
True. I don't know why they have aborded those colors.
Hahaha too true!
DO NOT slaugter the case. You have done sleeper right. Really like that.
My friend still uses a 1600x1200 monitor. He’s probably had it like 20 years and refuses to budge. He’s had good LCD monitors like VA or IPS panels but always goes back to CRT
I do too for retro gaming up to about 2006 or so, but after that the games started supporting widescreen very well and in turn not quite supporting 4:3 properly, as you can see in this video, so want it or not gotta use LCD for modern gaming. But 1600x1200 at 100Hz and zero input lag on my CRT feels so godly, no LCD compares really.
@ItsSpeltGoogol mine is 21" up to 2048x1536 up to 170hz. Now that is heavy. To be exact its 32kg / 70 lbs. My arms were hurting for 3 days after getting it up the stairs to 4th floor :)
GodOfGamingBG what model would that be? I would like to have a high resolution crt but don’t know which ones the best
@@robinmaes58 i'm running 1920*1440 on an Iiyama 19". They made some *really* good (professional) CRT's. Sony, NEC and a bunch of other brands made great pro CRT's too.
The one in the video seems consumer grade, which is totally fine too, but there's proper HD ones out there that will amaze you resolution/refresh rate wise, and should last a really long time.
Mine all have anti-glare coating too.
If the "environmental" electronics drop off sites actually cared about the ENVIRONMENT, they'd have no problem with giving you a CRT!!!
And pc cases too
I had a CRT for the longest time. I got my first LCD in like 2009, and I actually regretted it. Everything about the CRT just felt smoother, but I foolishly threw it away because I convinced myself newer was better.
Your videos are always some of my favorites. I just love the retro-esq mods you do and toy with.
Dude this is awesome Timmy! brought me back to the late 90's early 2000's which i believe you and I are in the same age group! lol that floppy drive!? that is to cool ha ha! Cheers man from B.C!
You did it! Modern hardware in a beige case! My dream came true! Thank you Timmy Joe!
There is godly widescreen crts for computers btw, they’re just like $700 lol.
I remember seeing those for sale and nobody bought them. The Sony Trinitron 24" GDM-FW900 is the only one that I remember. That's a nice monitor.
$700 is too much for something that might break at any time. $700 is what a holes use thanks to gaining popularity because of RUclipsrs.
@@RetroFan That's what happens, back in the day anything that was popular had its price reduced but now? ANything that's popular is expensive! Whoever thouhg tan dhanced this idea was a complete idiot. If something gets popular its now expensive as a gaming PC, i remember i used to look back in 2016 CRT monitors for sale they all were like $30-$200 depending on screen resolution and refresh rate and model.
lol and the rest the fw900 goes for about 2k these days XD
Damn, nice to see some good original content on youtube. Keep rocking this beige bad boy!
The thing I love about your videos compared to other tech videos is that fact that the stuff you do people can actually afford, where as other channels people only dream of being able to build such machines.
Do not kill the Beige Case! Also, if you are willing to pay shipping, I have plenty of Beige computer equipment. Also, yes, that's for the fan.
I think the dream CRT is one of those widescreen HD bois, don't think it's in the realm of something I'll ever find but maybe the youtube gods can bestow you with such a treasure. Because widescreen (though not always specifically 16:9) 1080p and even 1440p CRTs were a thing. that would be cool as shit to have your sleeper build hooked up to a 1920 by 1080 crt, like that 28" bad boy that
John Carmack had back in the day
Love the sleeper build, definitely put an intake fan up by the PSU to feed the CPU and a little bit for the PSU. Can't wait to see more videos on this. Wish you lived near me, got an old CRT and an old beige case very similar to the one you got!
Wow I really got here early. Love the content keep it going!
I like the case as is. Neat little project.
One of your best builds Tim! I really want to do a build similar to this.
I totally agree with you on all these stuff, it reminds me of the day when we kept talking about benefit of computers.
Haha retro as hell ....I love it !! Think I got a couple crt's in mom n dads garage !!
The new phrase for the type of modding you're doing to your cases should be called...
..."Timmy-Rigging"...
Agree
Nice! Beige is the new rgb? 😂 I'm in, retro for life!
that was a great idea, would love to see another sleeper build
Sweet build and nice demo TJ. Also FYI "Dual Link DVI" is for high resolution/high refresh rate digital displays. When it comes to VGA compatibility what you're looking for is "DVI-I" which is the DVI connector with all 4 flat spade connectors on one side that carry analog RGB signals. "DVI-D" is the digital only version of the DVI connector that lacks those flat pins and won't even plug in.
The build is pretty decent dude, don't change anything. Also you're constantly one step ahead of me, was thinking to buy a Titan Z and you reviewed one, was just thinking to get a CRT TV to do some retro gaming since there's no perceptible response lag on controls not just the screen response time.
Am I the only one that loves these old cases. Gives me nostalgia. Now I wanna do a custom loop in an old case
Awesome, love the whole build! I really enjoy your content. btw - de-gauss rhymes with house
You can add a small front fan behind the left front louvers. I have a similar case. You can remove that plastic block in there and a small fan will clip into the plastic and align the fan screw holes with those plastic posts.
I still remember my old CRT, 19" and it was huge back then haha
What a cool system man, well done indeed.
I love the retro pc stuff. I built a Ryzen 5 system in an 2004 Antec 1080AMG. It looks like a hobo pc, if someone broke into my house they would probably not even bother trying to steal it. Well between looking older than dirt, with all the cooling crap, and hard drives, the thing weighs north of 40lbs. Thanks for the content!
Almost 100k jimmy, we got you CES we will get you to a plaque
I’m not much of a gamer but I love this guy
I would just throw in a few noctuas on the intake vents. Great video TJ! 🤘
Your build is amazing! But that beige color match blew my mind. Maybe it was my phone, but that beige was on point.
oh man that kind of case and CRT take me back!
my first reaction was legit : oh my god yes lol,im watching this now
Man that crt brings back some memories gaming in the late 90s as a kid when I had my first gaming rig. Don't remember the specs but I remember playing a lot of combat flight Sims that we're popular back then. CFS and Jane's ww2 fighters, red Baron, and of course in the mid 2000s empire earth and age of empires. Ah the good old days.
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I had an old AOC 19inch that was awesome on LANpartys when activating the degausse nearby monitors was also inflicted. Good tool to save yourself from being gibbed in quake
Cool set of speakers, I got the same! Their simple, and old, but they work alright and have a quite okay sound quality (excluding the small hum mine have)
Lovely setup Timmy :-)
That's awesome! Keep the case as is. Don't cut it up. Also, if you have places like Goodwill or Salvation Army thrift stores in your area, those are gold mines for CRT's. Usually.
The true purpose of that plastic block inside the case is to support "full length" expansion cards (that's what the vertical slots are for). Mounting a fan and/or speaker is secondary.
Hey timmy..i bet ya remember me.sweet video i have an old system with a really crappy crt that i keep my file home system on. i have hhds in raid so its smother than alone with an old raid card that i could never part with. anyways. that case needs all the love it can get. Dont say that IF IT DOES! . IT NEEDS THE TIMMY JOE LOVE. DUDE. Make it what YOU LOVE. MAKE IT YOU' MAKE IT BETTER THAN THE THANOS BUILD!!. i know you have the time just make simply make vidoes and have all the FUN you can have. Anyway dood you take it easy. i hope to see more About this and glad to be apart of this community dood
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2:24 the second monitor, LG StudioWorks 700S is the monitor I bought in late 2018 for just 4.3 USD! It's a 17" monitor with max res of 1280*1024 at 60Hz or 1024*768 at 85Hz.
I had several of those 21" ViewSonic flat CRTs in the early 2000's. They were great for the time, never really used the high refresh rate or resolution. I think the GPUs I had then were an MX440SE AGP and an ATI RagePro of some variety.
You need dvi-I to connect VGA to a DVI port without an expensive converter. DVI dual link is different.
I like modern games tests on a CRT. That's Awesome!!!
Btw, you can get a PS/2 to USB adapter from eBay for like, $3 for that beige mouse.
active ps/2 to usb adapter. Regular old ps/2 to usb won't work.
When i am on Gumtree or ebay, I get more excited when i see a computer in a beige case with a CRT monitor than when i see a modern computer with RGB lighting and water cooling.
My crt still lives with me,
22"samsung syncmaster 1100p plus semi-flat 2048x1536p a relic of old days
Not gonna lie that was a very satisfying degaussing
I don't normally fall in love with computers but that is one sexy sleeper PC. Nothing like seeing a floppy drive working in an i7 build xD
Hey man... great video... good old times!! :S
About the case... I would definitely try to improve airflow... and use it as a retro system... it just look amazing!
It's funny to imagine all that heart-pounding high end gaming on such a tame, calm looking computer! I doesn't matter to me if that's an actual vintage PC. It's still looks silly to watch someone play on one of these. Don't get me wrong; I really enjoy watching these videos of yours.
I would love to do a Noctua color build, beige/brown with an old case like that.
A way perhaps to approach that case with airflow would be maybe chopping out those drive cages and have fans in the bottom front of the case drawing air in.
If you have access to a 3d printer you can get fan brackets for pcie slots to pull air under the GPU.
LOL!!!! this show is quite funny, your Build is quite "Nostalgic". Thumbs up to this...
I've still got a 22" Mitsubishi Diamondtron that's been running 1600*1200 at 120hz for a long long time, still super bright and clear. It is hooked up to my old spare Phenom II 965 PC running on a Radeon 7850. I love the thing even though it weighs almost as much as I do and uses as much electricity as the PC its attached to.
Last CRT monitor I ever had was one that began to smoke at the same time I was using it and no I am not kidding.
you can get 34pin to usb connectors to still use the internal floppy drive on ebay, so that way you can still upgrade a lot of the hardware but keep the drives
I would like to see a sleeper build from you. You are definitely one of my favorite tech tubers!
Thanks bro !
Dang it, TJ i love your gosh darn theme song!!!
I like sleeper builds. I'm actually hoping to do two of them in some server cases that I have on an old server rack. I want to get a nice pattern laser cut on the top lid in order to improve the airflow. But my dream sleeper case is the thermaltake mozart tx.
I have a really similar Samsung SAMTRON 76E made in 2004. It has a lot better contrast (in a room with dim lighting), colors and color depth than my modern IPS LED monitor.
watching video thinking, you should do what linus did and do a PC slipper build... then you said the same thing. I agree do a custom water cooled PC sleeper build!
An HDMI to VGA adapter will do the job. I love it! XD
The latest and the most competent motherboards to have floppy connectors are some workstation AM3 boards, which will take FX processors after a bios update.
That plastic thing by the speaker is a brace for card support because cards back in those days were very long.
My dad was just about to throw out his old crt. I had to tell him to hold up. I had no idea that people still wanted these.
up until 2013 I played Calla Duty on a 32" 1080i 16x9 CRT TV. the smoothness was better than any LCD monitor I've ever played on. They are actually pretty good for competitive gaming.
Damn..Those HD CRT's are super rare and expensive nowadays! Two years ago I flew to NYC and saw one of those in the streets. HDMI input and everything. Obviously I couldn't carry it!!!
Always check the local recycle drop off, as at least in my next of the woods, people are dropping stuff off like this fairly often.
I personally like seeing retro cased PC's, esp with working retro hardware. :-)
Cool!
I like Sleeper's.
No LED no Bling Bling just a PC we know and love.
Nice Job i like it!
My Project is not going well... i had to make a stop and overthink the whole thing. There is not enough space to fit in the PSU.
But one day my dream will come true! The NES Vega G13
Thank you Timmy Joe to get me hooked again on my custom sleeper PC
Hey man its good g try one of thise ultra small 12 volt psus with an athlon 200ge and mini itx mobo
@@shaggyboombastic1058 THX but i think i will try again with a external gpu/psu
Cut a hold in the top of the case or multiple slits with a fan intake on the inside pulling fresh air into the case. Also get one of those exhaust fans that would fit into a expansion slot on the case.
I do this sort of stuff.
No such thing as bad pc parts.
Their just old
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Defiantly add a couple of 80mm fans to the front PCI card support bracket as intake, if it allows do 2 piggy backed in the stock supplied location and you should see some improvement on temps.
DVI-I or DVI-A ports support analog CRTs via DVI to VGA adapters. Dual-link DVI ports were for 1440p and 1600p displays.
For the beige keyboard/mouse combo, you can find USB to PS2 adapters.
If you want the king of all CRTs though, you need to look for a 19 or 21 inch FD Trinitron display. I had a pair of Dell 19” screens, and could run then at 2304x1792@60hz, 1920x1440@85hz, and 1280x1024@160hz. The card I had at the time couldn’t do refresh rates faster than 160hz.
The speaker holder thing is meant to hold a 80mm fan. A popular mod would be to cut a hole for a 120. I think ThermalTake or LianLi also makes a thing that uses 3 5.25 drive bays for a 120mm fan.
Holy Nostalgia!
USB floppy drive controllers are on ebay, so are SATA adapters for IDE devices like beige CDROMs. An intake can be fitted to the lower 5.25 bay. Many of the late desktop cases also had venting in the top panel, towards the back. You could replicate this easily enough but it'd take a couple hours to do it right. As for your single PS/2 port, there's a good chance that it uses the spare pins to support a passive splitter cable. Cheap solution.
And just take stuff from the recycling dump, don't ask. Just take it.
I miss my CRT from LG the good old days. :'(
Definitely do a badass sleeper. Cut out all the interior panels and put in custom acrylic panels. You should get one of those old destination monitors that gateway did. I had a 32" with my p2 400.
That degauss tho... Thank you.
So I guess I *AM* the lucky guy you were saying about. I found a Dell E772c monitor on Kijiji for C$15. I had to drive there and get it myself, but I was also with my friends so we had a good time there anyways. Now, it's not working well out of the box, but it turned out that this thing just had spider webs inside shorting out, and it worked perfectly after I opened it up and cleaned all the spider webs and dust.
After a thorough cleaning (And risk getting myself killed, I know), my CRT turned out to be in a perfect physical condition, and the picture is decently bright and completely burn-in free, though it isn't the sharpest thing because I am running 1280x1024 60Hz on this thing which has a designed resolution of 1024x768 75/85Hz (different aspect ratio)
Hi Peter...... did you get that memo about the TPS reports? Haha awesome vid TJ
I have a couple of old ass IBMs(with the BIG ass floppy drives) that my grandma got in the mid 80`s(I used them in the 90`s lol)... I was just going to refurbish them, but her damn basement flooded a few times and they are in REALLY bad shape. So now they will be SUPER sleepers soon :)
VGA works fine to dvi for me for my custom arcade cabinet. Getting the build in micro chip is a must if you use over three monitors still though.
I remember EposVox talking about the last gpu's that have dvi-i connectors in his CRT video. Went back to watch and the last ones with it were the R9 380x and the GTX 980ti.
Some newer gen laptops actually had VGA out tho!
edit: I know cause I'm watching this on a GTX 1070 + 19" CRT ;)
I would not change much to that sleeper, kind of reminds me of an old A-open case that I bought in second hand shop for $10 and was part of my first ever PC build
We had a flat tube HD CRT about 15 years ago. I regret that we gave it away, we could have hooked up the computer to it and I could be playing games, lol.
Love it as it is Timmy Joe, Please don't hack the case
P.s. I've still got my Dell CRT
keep it like this. nostagia. You can put in 80mm fan in front but those cases are really restrictive. It would be nice to do a watercooled version with case which is less in shape.
Some of the last high end crt monitors which where produced are still really good for modern gaming. The Sony Gdm FW900 is probably the most popular of them but there a A LOT of good models.
crts aren't for everyone these days but they can deliver you an amazing experience If you're OK with the shortcomings (only analog inputs, weight and size, sometimes price, could need maintenance). Personally I don't think I can ever find anything comparable to my Sony GDM F520. Payed 50 Bucks for a used one and it's been AMAZING since
I like my 4k HDR T.V, but games really do look better on my CRT PC monitor. The color and instant response time are one of the advantages.
The monitor should be good for emulating old consoles or older pc games that run at 4:3.
And if you could rotate the cooler round to draw through the psu that should help.
The last crt monitor I had was 22" and it had a max resolution of 2048 x 1536 at 80 Hz, it's specs were better than what you could get in lcd monitors at the time. I gave it away, it was bulky & heavy.
man, that would have been worth messing with though, jeez, it's too bad they have a shelf life and take up your whole shelf in the process
Make a sleeper, but don't hurt the case.
Also, try overclocking the monitor. I have heard that CRTs overclock really well, and some people can even get 300Hz+.
Interlaced modes are great for this.
You don't need the same ridiculous refresh rates you'd need on an LCD/OLED, because there's inherently no motion blur. 120hz CRT looks way sharper _in motion_ than a 240hz 4K OLED
I still have an Samsung Flatron CRT, 19" , the best I had ever saw. I lends it to the neighbor next door some year ago, and he still uses it.
the image quality is very very good (I cost me to go from this CRT to the flat, plasma, lcd or similar monitors, all I saw was worst compared to the crt), refreshing up to 75HZ, and up to 1600x1200 but I usually used it in 1280x1024
That's I call 'Vintage modding'
Nice! The best CRT monitors are the Trinitrons (and the off brand ones that don't license the Trinitron name. I have a Gateway VX700 which is pretty much a Trinitron but doesn't have the Trinitron badge on it since it's not a Sony monitor). There was some 16:10 aspect ratio monitors made in the early 200s but those are really hard to find these days and are of coarse overpriced and super expensive to get.
Odd that it seems brightness was the issue with monitors you had. The CRT monitors I've come across tended to have issues with convergence instead. They were all bright enough for my needs and didn't seem tired. Only one seemed like it was tiny bit tired and that one I pulled out of a dumpster down the block. (it's a Optiquest Q71 16 or 17 incher. Pretty much a rebadged ViewSonic as the chassis is the same). It was formally owned by an old man and looks like he put a lot of hours into it.
But the 2 other monitors I have, a Dell e771p and the Gateway VX700 are still pretty bright. The Dell e771P being almost perfect with convergence while the Gateway one still has some issues. (seems it's more common for Trinitrons to have convergence problems).
As for Geometry issues, I've only had this problem with TVs. With monitors you generally can fix them from the OSD menu in most cases....Like the pin cushioning of the left side on your monitor. I noticed that near the top left corner of the monitor's image when you were showing it with Windows running instead of the game.
I'd advise you work on adjusting that. ;)
As for that face book seller....yeah $200 is way too much. I got lucky and found 2 CRT monitors on Facebook. Both I got super cheap. The Dell e771p I got for only $5!
Then there's a third monitor I forgot to mention. A Compaq Presario 1525. It came with the original PC it was bundled with! A Compaq Presario 4112 complete with original mouse, keyboard, AND the side mounted speakers that attach to the monitor! It was in really good condition though (It is a mostly beige machine too and had no yellowing so must have spent most of it's life in a bedroom or other room with no direct sunlight. Though a couple random keys on the keyboard have yellowed for some odd reason. ) the optical drive needed to have it's laser replaced. (Turns out most of the parts inside the original drive that came with my Compaq Presario 5000 are all compatible. :D ) and the floppy drive had a metal dust shield cover stuck in it which must have came off a damaged floppy disk. After removing that and cleaning the drive, the floppy drive still worked fine. The monitor is so old it was before OSDs where a thing and used knobs to control screen size/position and brightness. It also has a volume control knob that doubles as the power button for the monitor. Curious as to how that works. Must be using some of the EDID pins on the VGA port to comunicate volume control info and it's not happening via special software (though Compaq did provide a Windows 95 program that gives a graphical display of volume change when the knob is used). I noticed the knob works even in pure DOS mode with just standard sound blaster drivers! I tried to use the volume knob with the newer Compaq Presario 5000 machine and it didn't do anything so must be a trick that's happening with the motherboard chipset.
As for specs it's an old 95/96 era 486 with a 120mhz Pentium with 17MB or so ram. I have since upgraded it to the max it will go which is 72MB. (uses EDO type ram).
I got this entire bundle for only $25 AND the seller was willing to deliver it to me since i don't drive. :D
The monitor needed some convergance adjustments, but managed to get it to acceptable range. It's still pretty bright and sharp despite how old it is. From what I can tell the PC spent most of it's late life in a closet. The machine wouldn't boot up properly until I removed the dust cover out of the floppy drive as it was preventing it from completing it's power on seek test. After I fixed that, the hard-drive had some critical MS-DOS boot files missing so that needed fixing too. The original warranty void sticker was never broken on this machine so they made no attempt to fix the floppy drive. They must have retired the machine when this happened and got a new PC.
As for my main PC it's similar in specs to yours. Though it's got a slightly better i7. A i7 965 extreme edition clocked at 3.2ghz. The graphics card isn't as good though. A Nvidia GTX 650 which is starting to show it's age. I plan to max it to a GTX 980 Ti when I get the money to afford it. It's the last card Nvidia made that supported the VGA connection over DVI.
Technically though you can still use VGA monitors with modern cards. You'd need a HDMI to VGA adapter (or Display port in your case). Not sure about Display port, but with HDMI, it's not native like DVI so required a powered adapter that has active circuitry to convert the signal and it's sub-optimal compared to having a native VGA connection since you have less range with max resolution and some cheaper adapters kill black levels.
I use one with my Nintendo Switch to play it on my Gateway VX700 (use a VGA switch to switch it off PC when I want to play on the console). I was lucky and managed to find a HDMI adapter that didn't mess with the color/brightness range of the signal.