i love your comment on how bows shouldn't be 2000$, how would you think the community could go about make this price lower all around. Although other states probably wouldnt be happy with the influence of new bow hunters, but states like the one i live in need more hunters due to supposed CWD, but even my self had to resort to a sanlida dragon x8, and it was just simply due to price point, and its actually not terrible, but its certainly not what i was looking for. love the content, love the message you give, keep doing you.
Hey Josh, I love what you do man! We also share the best men's name IMO, haha. I love your way of testing bows and how you evolve each year and consistently try to improve your process. I know that these videos are time consuming for you, but it would be nice to see what these bows do at my draw length (31").
Those mods are so tight because of them coming loose on the rx8’s. I’m a victim of it. Happened on my rx8 ultra. I imagine they come loose anyways because it snapped the bolts off and locked at full draw. Took almost 9 weeks to get it back to me from Hoyt. Hoyt did change everything except the riser on it so in the end they did me right.
Happened to me too. Did you see they sneakily changed the torque specs? My shop made me think I did something wrong and then Hoyt comes out and admits that they didn’t tighten the screw enough.
@@prestonweatherby314 yeah my bolt broke off. Couldn’t tell if it actually come lose or not. There was still a bunch of the bolt left in the cam. Still the best shooting and most comfortable bow I’ve ever had. Horrible warranty work though. I’ve got a lift 33 also. IMHO the Rx8 ultra is 10x better than the lift.
@@krisessick4464 what is the torque specs now? I have a bow shop in my house and have set up many bows. I hadn’t touched my mods though because we set them at the bow shop when I bought it.
Any plans for reviews on the xlite 32 or the new offering from APA archery this year??? Would be really excited to see how some of the smaller guys do with how well darton is stacking up this year.
Loadout length Question Wondering why you don't directly measure string angle with an electronic protractor (arrow to upper string angle)when you have the bow on the draw board, as opposed to loadout which is a proxy for string angle. Two bows with the same loadout may not have the same string angle due to differences in brace height or limb configuration? Just my 2 cents, thanks for the excellent reviews.
Just wondering proprietary integration is measured in the value. If you have to buy Hoyt or Bowtech or Elite specific accessories rather than being able to purchase 3rd party hardware is that something that lessens the value because of lack of competition for the accessories? Great job by the way
It looks like the draw length range on your board is incorrect, thankfully im sitting at 31.5 inch draw and hoyts website still says they go up to 32! Hope you're wrong LOL. Awesome videos though man ive learned to work on my own equipment all thanks to you and a couple other youtubers, you being the main go to channel. awesome videos and lots of helpful info, keep it up!
Can you add the full draw stability measurement for each review. Lancaster Archery said that's why the Mach 30 and 33 shoot so good at long range is because the brace height grows 1 or 2 inches
@@ariankozlansky6348essentially with the limbs flexed at full draw if you were to draw a straight line from the back of the cams and measure the brace height at full draw it gains 2 inches. Pse says it makes their 6 1/2 inch brace height shoot like an 8 inch brace height.
The full draw stability is the brace height grows at full draw, so if your brace height is 6.5 and after you draw your bow it's 7.75 it grows 1.25 inches. Lancaster Archery said most bows don't do that, that's why the Mach series bows were the bow of the year last year, because everyone was so accurate at long ranges. I'm wanting to know what other bows full draw brace height is.
@@CryptoHuntinDad None of that makes any sense. The brace height is the strings measurement to the throat of the grip at rest. There is not a brace height measurement at full draw, nor does it change at any point. You misunderstood whatever they were trying to communicate.
Would like some clarification and qualification of your opinion on reflex. Heard for years that B/T center pivot technology was a farce. With the stiff limbs and super tight pockets on these Hoyt bows, what's the downside of having 2 1/2 inches of reflex?
Why do new bows release in the middle of the rut? If they came out in the summer that would be a good time to get it dialed before season. That being said looking forward to your 25’ Mathews review. Thanks man! Take care!
Good review! I think I will try to get as many years as possible out of my RX8U, I love it and the RX9U does not provide enough difference to justify an upgrade for me given the price.
If you own a press or have a good shop, the tunability features isn't a big deal. It's bullet proof, and it's generally a one time inital setup thing. It would be nice if they were all a screw driven, but imo it should be the lowest deciding factor on a bow for day in and day out shooting enjoyment. I'll take 1500 dry fires
I agree I've never had issues tuning one unlike other brands. If you need to shim just have shop do it once or do it yourself and your good. They stay in tune very well. My lift would consistently go out of tune so an easier way to tune would be more important. But hoyts have been bullet proof in my opinion.
@@ryansiwuda8295my lift 33 tune changed pretty much monthly. My rx8 ultra tune has never changed since set. Seems like every time I look at that lift the cams are leaning again
I think the reliability in the hoyt tune system is preferred over the possibilities of things stripping out or other issues caused by tune modifications
Can you please help figure out what bow will help the short draw, guys? I love my Mathews VXR, but I want something new and I need know what bow is most efficient for a guy with a 27 inch draw.
How many views you're getting here lately seems like you're probably making pretty damn good money off of RUclips that's really really cool Definitely well deserved for somebody that is such a Uh A staple in the archer Community
Did they change the string set up due to rubbing and string wear on the cam from the alpha x as I’ve gone though 3 sets of gas strings since I bought it 8 months ago ?
I’ve had the same thing happen in the same spot to Hoyt strings and gas strings I’ve even changed the cam and it happens in the same spot. I’m lost other than it’s a bad bow for some reason I can’t figure out.
4.3 pounds for a bow that big is pretty good. Especially when you consider how much more durable they are than the competition. No one else dry fires their bows before they go to production.
Instead of measuring the “load off point”, could you measure the string angle? Measuring the load off point isn’t an apples to apples comparison between bows of their brace heights are different, but measured string angle at 30” draw could be directly compared to each other.
Wanted opinion on Bear Legit 25" 10-70lb adjustable bow? I already have a Hoyt. And was planning on investing up to $2k (price of the Rx9 SD, or PSE 30, or a Mathews TRX 34 or even a Prime) till i talked to a knowledgeable sales guy with a bow company that has a website with a good amount educational content. After talking to him, he said "save your money and check out the Bear Legit bow. For what you are looking for this is the best option out there that won't break the bank." So, I am looking into getting one. Wanted to know if anyone out there has one and their opinion. What i really like about it first of all is the flexibility of adjusting its draw length and second and most important one is the Draw weight. As I build up muscle, i won't be limited to only two weights as in most bows (i.e. if i get a 40-50, 50 is the max weight and once you get used to the weight the only way to go up to 60 and 70 lb is to buyvanother bow, but not with the Bear Legit. Let me know. Thanks.
The tunability score is a little heavily weighted, but hey, it’s your review! People who watch or who *try them out on their own* can decide what factors matter the most to them. I appreciate the reviews! Love that they shaved off some weight and limb length. 33.5 is a great ATA length! I’m interested to feel the difference from my RX7 Ultra to the new model.
They decided that a 450 and 650 made more sense since 450 is close to the average hunters... And 650 is what the heavy arrow needs to be for the Ashby crowd.
What do you think if you shot a 350 grain arrow with no vanes so there would be no drag at all and also I see there’s string dampeners. Do you think if you took those off it would make a difference. Just curious
In regards to your features scoring process, why didn’t you go into detail on the modules and the ‘foot?’ In particular, how it can be adjusted to change how firm the back wall feels. That seems like a nice feature to me. Thanks…
Can you do the decibel reading with the 350 450 and 650gr. Arrows so we can see the difference in how much a heavy arrow quite down the bow if might help someone out as hardly anyone shoots 350gr. Arrows
You’re better off where you are. Mathews switchweight cams stink in the feel of the draw, plus who knows if the limb problems are completely fixed. Elite was good 10 years ago, and their new bows do have easier tuning, but resale is terrible, and I don’t trust the longevity of the bow as much.
So glad you started adding in the additional speed tests with heavier, more “real-to-use” arrow weights. Thanks for giving us more info and keeping your perspective and evaluations as consistent as you have. Nearest pro-shop is 3 hrs from me - so I’m looking forward to more Archery 101 vids as I learn to be self sufficient in my building/tuning. Also - maybe a few vid recommendations: 1. from your perspective, what are the differences in benefit between a hit & collar setup and a half-out setup on .204 arrows? 2. Honest benefits between carbon and aluminum risers. These two flavors of Hoyt (RX & alpha) seem so similar - in tech, limb, cam, dimensions, etc. - what’s benefit are you purchasing by dropping extra $$ for Carbon? Is there a true tech-related/evidence-backed benefit? 3. Do the alignment-related benefits of using a “yoke” justify the added complexity(?) (if any) of tuning?
Play random son of a guns in there with air tools I think and I don't know why you would put a countersunk screw that's only got maybe 16th of thread as the depth of the way the Allen key goes in I don't know why you would run them in there that tight I would rather see a little smear of blue Loctite and then this hand tighten them down
I know you are big on the reflex and have always said less is better but, over the years the majority of the companies are still around 2 inches. Have you had the chance to sit down with an engineer at all these companies and find out WHY they are designing their bows with that much reflex? Why, if you say the reflex needs to be closer to zero, are the design engineers NOT doing that if it would make their bows that much better?
The split yoke is a step backward in my opinion. The true binary system is the most simple system you can have. I have had every Hoyt bow since they went to the true binary (Ventum, Ventum Pro, VTM, Alpha X, RX7, RX8, etc.) and have had ZERO problems with cam/wheel lean. These bows have tuned easily and in most cases changing the spacers is not needed and when it is needed it is about a 2 minute process. The cool thing is this. If you love a smooth draw, super smooth, keep your RX8 Ultra. If you want tiny bit more speed, pick up the RX9 Ultra. You will shoot both bows the exact same (i.e. the RX9 will not make you a better shooter). Truly zero innovation from Hoyt this year, but that does not mean they are not great bows. The most innovation this year is, by far, Darton. If we are honest.
I agree with your assessment. I like the binary system. Very simple and effective. The new system has those plastic yoke splitters which I hate because I’ve had them break in the past
@@krisessick4464 Agreed. We shot the new Hoyt's today. The draw cycle is just like the Mathews Lift from last year. Hoyt gave options - if you like smooth draw, keep your 2024 (or previous year) bow. If you want 6 or 8 more FPS, get the 2025 bows. It is that simple.
@@mohsenraghian210 The new Darton bows this year all have the ability to adjust wheel lean on each limb. Folks have used it early on say it is working very well.
I think appeal and quality should be separated. They're fantastic quality, but of little appeal to me because of the tunability lacking, the mods, the high price and stiff draw
A heavy bow with worse string angle which lost the smoothness which made the RX 8 Ultra the nicest #80 bow in the market in trade for a few fps.... Pfff.
Well it shows all companies have hit the design wall and the only thing left to do is start the speed race agian which means making the draws stiffer and harsher.
Or they made the nicest carbon bow you can buy on the market also one of the fastest. Guys that are strong enough to pull it won't care it's minorly harsher.
@@douglasvaughn9530 Lol; both bows has the exact same riser, only difference is the limbs and the cam design and the new cam has a worse draw cycle in order to gain 8 fps: as I said, if you want more fps you just use a RX-8 with a few more pounds and you get the same soeed but with a better draw cycle. Also, if you have 30" DL or more, the string angle will suck in a 33" axle to axle bow...
I enjoy your videos but the best thing about them is the manufacturers are watching and they are actually becoming more honest
Dude that draw looks amazing no dump into the valley
i love your comment on how bows shouldn't be 2000$, how would you think the community could go about make this price lower all around. Although other states probably wouldnt be happy with the influence of new bow hunters, but states like the one i live in need more hunters due to supposed CWD, but even my self had to resort to a sanlida dragon x8, and it was just simply due to price point, and its actually not terrible, but its certainly not what i was looking for. love the content, love the message you give, keep doing you.
When wrestling a stubborn bolt use an impact. The impacting will gently break it loose, contrary to what you’d believe
Hey Josh, I love what you do man! We also share the best men's name IMO, haha. I love your way of testing bows and how you evolve each year and consistently try to improve your process. I know that these videos are time consuming for you, but it would be nice to see what these bows do at my draw length (31").
Those mods are so tight because of them coming loose on the rx8’s. I’m a victim of it. Happened on my rx8 ultra. I imagine they come loose anyways because it snapped the bolts off and locked at full draw. Took almost 9 weeks to get it back to me from Hoyt. Hoyt did change everything except the riser on it so in the end they did me right.
Happened to me too. Did you see they sneakily changed the torque specs? My shop made me think I did something wrong and then Hoyt comes out and admits that they didn’t tighten the screw enough.
Same thing on my alpha X the cam bolt on module broke in half
@@prestonweatherby314 yeah my bolt broke off. Couldn’t tell if it actually come lose or not. There was still a bunch of the bolt left in the cam. Still the best shooting and most comfortable bow I’ve ever had. Horrible warranty work though. I’ve got a lift 33 also. IMHO the Rx8 ultra is 10x better than the lift.
@@krisessick4464 what is the torque specs now? I have a bow shop in my house and have set up many bows. I hadn’t touched my mods though because we set them at the bow shop when I bought it.
@@chadyoak1633 I think it was originally 16 and went up to 30 pounds.
Any plans for reviews on the xlite 32 or the new offering from APA archery this year??? Would be really excited to see how some of the smaller guys do with how well darton is stacking up this year.
Awesome enjoy the bow review videos! Keep it up, thanks for sharing.
i think your friends are luck to have you as a friend ! noice bow cant wait till the 19th when mathews drops
What? Mathews introducing a new model on the 19th of Nov? How much is theirs going to be? $3000?
Loadout length Question
Wondering why you don't directly measure string angle with an electronic protractor (arrow to upper string angle)when you have the bow on the draw board, as opposed to loadout which is a proxy for string angle. Two bows with the same loadout may not have the same string angle due to differences in brace height or limb configuration?
Just my 2 cents, thanks for the excellent reviews.
Right, because like the prime will have a shallower string angle despite its loadout point.
Just wondering proprietary integration is measured in the value. If you have to buy Hoyt or Bowtech or Elite specific accessories rather than being able to purchase 3rd party hardware is that something that lessens the value because of lack of competition for the accessories?
Great job by the way
It looks like the draw length range on your board is incorrect, thankfully im sitting at 31.5 inch draw and hoyts website still says they go up to 32! Hope you're wrong LOL. Awesome videos though man ive learned to work on my own equipment all thanks to you and a couple other youtubers, you being the main go to channel. awesome videos and lots of helpful info, keep it up!
Can you add the full draw stability measurement for each review. Lancaster Archery said that's why the Mach 30 and 33 shoot so good at long range is because the brace height grows 1 or 2 inches
Explain this
@@ariankozlansky6348essentially with the limbs flexed at full draw if you were to draw a straight line from the back of the cams and measure the brace height at full draw it gains 2 inches. Pse says it makes their 6 1/2 inch brace height shoot like an 8 inch brace height.
The full draw stability is the brace height grows at full draw, so if your brace height is 6.5 and after you draw your bow it's 7.75 it grows 1.25 inches. Lancaster Archery said most bows don't do that, that's why the Mach series bows were the bow of the year last year, because everyone was so accurate at long ranges. I'm wanting to know what other bows full draw brace height is.
@@CryptoHuntinDad None of that makes any sense. The brace height is the strings measurement to the throat of the grip at rest. There is not a brace height measurement at full draw, nor does it change at any point. You misunderstood whatever they were trying to communicate.
@@Kgsoloman-ou6wm no he didn’t misunderstand. Look up PSE dynamic brace height. Lots of stuff on it.
Would like some clarification and qualification of your opinion on reflex. Heard for years that B/T center pivot technology was a farce. With the stiff limbs and super tight pockets on these Hoyt bows, what's the downside of having 2 1/2 inches of reflex?
Why do new bows release in the middle of the rut? If they came out in the summer that would be a good time to get it dialed before season. That being said looking forward to your 25’ Mathews review.
Thanks man! Take care!
Good review! I think I will try to get as many years as possible out of my RX8U, I love it and the RX9U does not provide enough difference to justify an upgrade for me given the price.
If you own a press or have a good shop, the tunability features isn't a big deal. It's bullet proof, and it's generally a one time inital setup thing. It would be nice if they were all a screw driven, but imo it should be the lowest deciding factor on a bow for day in and day out shooting enjoyment. I'll take 1500 dry fires
I agree I've never had issues tuning one unlike other brands. If you need to shim just have shop do it once or do it yourself and your good. They stay in tune very well. My lift would consistently go out of tune so an easier way to tune would be more important. But hoyts have been bullet proof in my opinion.
@@ryansiwuda8295my lift 33 tune changed pretty much monthly. My rx8 ultra tune has never changed since set. Seems like every time I look at that lift the cams are leaning again
Agreed I own a rx7 ultra and rx8 ultra and the less moving parts is the better for the backcountry
I think the reliability in the hoyt tune system is preferred over the possibilities of things stripping out or other issues caused by tune modifications
I wish they made cam specific to your draw so you could get the same speed regardless of length
Can you please help figure out what bow will help the short draw, guys? I love my Mathews VXR, but I want something new and I need know what bow is most efficient for a guy with a 27 inch draw.
Fellow 27 inch draw guy here 😂 i feel your pain
Hahaha, you think you have a short draw? Then what am I at 25" draw? I am looking into a Bear Legit with its flexibility seems like a great choice.
Same speed as the Darton sequel 35....except Darton claimed their actual speed.
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Haha...NOT
Maybe it’s part of design but I feel like color options would be helpful category. Both for variety and quality of options
How is the limb pocket shorter if the riser is the same as the RX 8?
I shoot a PSE mach 34 at its peak 32 inch draw and 70 and it definitely feels aggressive. Love the aggressive feel though keeps you honest
How many views you're getting here lately seems like you're probably making pretty damn good money off of RUclips that's really really cool Definitely well deserved for somebody that is such a Uh A staple in the archer Community
Did they change the string set up due to rubbing and string wear on the cam from the alpha x as I’ve gone though 3 sets of gas strings since I bought it 8 months ago ?
You have to be careful buying aftermarket strings, Hoyt’s cams are machined to fit their strings with tight tolerances
I've got around 5600 shots on my factory strings on my Alpha X33. They are totally fine.
I’ve had the same thing happen in the same spot to Hoyt strings and gas strings I’ve even changed the cam and it happens in the same spot. I’m lost other than it’s a bad bow for some reason I can’t figure out.
I have abb and I have serving separation too.
So the idea of carbon is to be light yet coming in at 4.5 lbs which is inline with most aluminums and you have to pay 700 to 800 more follars?
4.3 pounds for a bow that big is pretty good. Especially when you consider how much more durable they are than the competition. No one else dry fires their bows before they go to production.
Instead of measuring the “load off point”, could you measure the string angle?
Measuring the load off point isn’t an apples to apples comparison between bows of their brace heights are different, but measured string angle at 30” draw could be directly compared to each other.
Just waiting on the Mathews drop.
Why?? 🤮
Apa bows and their new shift tune technology
Like to see some 28” draw at 60lbs with the 5 grain arrow per pound like the 70lb with the 350 grain (5 grain per pound). Great videos)
Me too
Is that RX nine ultra the green riser and black limbs
I had the same issue with the mod at my shop
Wanted opinion on Bear Legit 25" 10-70lb adjustable bow? I already have a Hoyt. And was planning on investing up to $2k (price of the Rx9 SD, or PSE 30, or a Mathews TRX 34 or even a Prime) till i talked to a knowledgeable sales guy with a bow company that has a website with a good amount educational content. After talking to him, he said "save your money and check out the Bear Legit bow. For what you are looking for this is the best option out there that won't break the bank." So, I am looking into getting one. Wanted to know if anyone out there has one and their opinion. What i really like about it first of all is the flexibility of adjusting its draw length and second and most important one is the Draw weight. As I build up muscle, i won't be limited to only two weights as in most bows (i.e. if i get a 40-50, 50 is the max weight and once you get used to the weight the only way to go up to 60 and 70 lb is to buyvanother bow, but not with the Bear Legit. Let me know. Thanks.
I will ship you my carbon defiant turbo to compare. Right now at 70# and 30” draw, its shooting a 465 grain arrow 293 fps. And its quiet.
All im saying is Hoyts hasn’t given me a good reason to upgrade since 2017
@@michaelkadechrisman6806amen, I’m still running the Pro Defiant and would love another Hoyt but they just haven’t tempted me enough
Wow I'm still shooting an old hoyt magnatec!
I’ve got a Vectrix XL. Accuracy wise it’ll shoot with my rx8 ultra. Noise and vibration is a whole different story though
@@coryderosier6328
A 1999 model was my first bow!
You should review the xpedtion xlite 32
The tunability score is a little heavily weighted, but hey, it’s your review! People who watch or who *try them out on their own* can decide what factors matter the most to them. I appreciate the reviews!
Love that they shaved off some weight and limb length.
33.5 is a great ATA length! I’m interested to feel the difference from my RX7 Ultra to the new model.
@@willnose757 Mathews is coming out with a tuning option so he made tuning more important. Funny how that works out. Skew the tests for Mathews.
Whyd you skip the 550gr arrow speed test
They decided that a 450 and 650 made more sense since 450 is close to the average hunters... And 650 is what the heavy arrow needs to be for the Ashby crowd.
@ecrank83 Makes sense. He just mentioned he was doing it so I was curious.
5 on quality after not being able to change the mod? Hmm
Can you do a comparison between the RX7 and the RX9? Give us your best comparison between the two bows. Would it be a upgrade from a RX7 to buy a RX9?
What do you think if you shot a 350 grain arrow with no vanes so there would be no drag at all and also I see there’s string dampeners. Do you think if you took those off it would make a difference. Just curious
Did less reflex score you extra points in Vegas or Redding?
In regards to your features scoring process, why didn’t you go into detail on the modules and the ‘foot?’ In particular, how it can be adjusted to change how firm the back wall feels. That seems like a nice feature to me. Thanks…
Wow this one is slower than the regular RX9.
Can you do the decibel reading with the 350 450 and 650gr. Arrows so we can see the difference in how much a heavy arrow quite down the bow if might help someone out as hardly anyone shoots 350gr. Arrows
I love the way you do these vids!
I'm making the switch this year to mathews or elite. Been buying hoyt for 15 years, no real change but a huge price hike....nah.
They got a good bit faster and lighter. Those are good changes.
You’re better off where you are. Mathews switchweight cams stink in the feel of the draw, plus who knows if the limb problems are completely fixed. Elite was good 10 years ago, and their new bows do have easier tuning, but resale is terrible, and I don’t trust the longevity of the bow as much.
Same weight as the aluminum Hoyt
Couple ounces lighter and bigger.
So glad you started adding in the additional speed tests with heavier, more “real-to-use” arrow weights.
Thanks for giving us more info and keeping your perspective and evaluations as consistent as you have.
Nearest pro-shop is 3 hrs from me - so I’m looking forward to more Archery 101 vids as I learn to be self sufficient in my building/tuning.
Also - maybe a few vid recommendations:
1. from your perspective, what are the differences in benefit between a hit & collar setup and a half-out setup on .204 arrows?
2. Honest benefits between carbon and aluminum risers. These two flavors of Hoyt (RX & alpha) seem so similar - in tech, limb, cam, dimensions, etc. - what’s benefit are you purchasing by dropping extra $$ for Carbon? Is there a true tech-related/evidence-backed benefit?
3. Do the alignment-related benefits of using a “yoke” justify the added complexity(?) (if any) of tuning?
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It is a different riser from the RX8. Surprised you missed that.
Play random son of a guns in there with air tools I think and I don't know why you would put a countersunk screw that's only got maybe 16th of thread as the depth of the way the Allen key goes in I don't know why you would run them in there that tight I would rather see a little smear of blue Loctite and then this hand tighten them down
Somebody had a boo boo earlier
What was it??
Camera man shaking to much
I know you are big on the reflex and have always said less is better but, over the years the majority of the companies are still around 2 inches. Have you had the chance to sit down with an engineer at all these companies and find out WHY they are designing their bows with that much reflex? Why, if you say the reflex needs to be closer to zero, are the design engineers NOT doing that if it would make their bows that much better?
The split yoke is a step backward in my opinion. The true binary system is the most simple system you can have. I have had every Hoyt bow since they went to the true binary (Ventum, Ventum Pro, VTM, Alpha X, RX7, RX8, etc.) and have had ZERO problems with cam/wheel lean. These bows have tuned easily and in most cases changing the spacers is not needed and when it is needed it is about a 2 minute process.
The cool thing is this. If you love a smooth draw, super smooth, keep your RX8 Ultra. If you want tiny bit more speed, pick up the RX9 Ultra. You will shoot both bows the exact same (i.e. the RX9 will not make you a better shooter). Truly zero innovation from Hoyt this year, but that does not mean they are not great bows. The most innovation this year is, by far, Darton. If we are honest.
I agree with your assessment. I like the binary system. Very simple and effective. The new system has those plastic yoke splitters which I hate because I’ve had them break in the past
@@krisessick4464 Agreed. We shot the new Hoyt's today. The draw cycle is just like the Mathews Lift from last year. Hoyt gave options - if you like smooth draw, keep your 2024 (or previous year) bow. If you want 6 or 8 more FPS, get the 2025 bows. It is that simple.
Darton? Model?
@@mohsenraghian210 The new Darton bows this year all have the ability to adjust wheel lean on each limb. Folks have used it early on say it is working very well.
@@huntsimple9527 No, not true. I looked on their website, only one, on the low end of their offerings, the rest are all like 40-50, 50-60, 60-70...
job well done!
I think appeal and quality should be separated. They're fantastic quality, but of little appeal to me because of the tunability lacking, the mods, the high price and stiff draw
Why don't you just go 60 to 80 lb Peak weight I do understand why you do it because some people may say oh they got 65
2 grand so your hand dont touch a cold bow lol no thx there are other bows just as light but your little hand might get frost bite..
5 quality when you couldn't change a mod because a screw was stuck? :p just messiin
A heavy bow with worse string angle which lost the smoothness which made the RX 8 Ultra the nicest #80 bow in the market in trade for a few fps.... Pfff.
Well it shows all companies have hit the design wall and the only thing left to do is start the speed race agian which means making the draws stiffer and harsher.
Or they made the nicest carbon bow you can buy on the market also one of the fastest. Guys that are strong enough to pull it won't care it's minorly harsher.
@@elswapo Yes, and is called RX 8 Ultra, not 9.
@@Buran01 RX8 Ultra is a turd... the RX9 Ultra blows it away in every way possible except for draw cycle. The RX9 still draws really nice imo.
@@douglasvaughn9530 Lol; both bows has the exact same riser, only difference is the limbs and the cam design and the new cam has a worse draw cycle in order to gain 8 fps: as I said, if you want more fps you just use a RX-8 with a few more pounds and you get the same soeed but with a better draw cycle. Also, if you have 30" DL or more, the string angle will suck in a 33" axle to axle bow...
All carbon bows look like crap
In which case you have permission to buy an aluminum bow. It doesn’t matter if you don’t like it or if you do just don’t post things like this.
@ are you ok?
Haven't seen a one yet that does sooo
@@tylerwatkins6319 are you ok?
To you*
Change your music.... It's terrible
Thats a red star...not gold
Support your local pro shop....just not THIS one
Nobody REALLY cares about reflex or loadout.