The hard vs. extra hard are modifications to the draw stops. Softer back wall= hard / harder back wall= x hard. they work well but do not effect the cycle at all.
Just came across this video. I also shoot 27 1/2 inch draw length. And I'd also guess that I'm about the same age as this gentleman. And I also prefer lighter arrows. I shoot 385 grains out of my hunting set up. Currently I shoot a PSE EVO EVL 32 and I haven't run it through a chrono. But it is smoking fast. I've been a bowhunter for a lot of years and have owned just about every brand you can think of. I've had a couple of Mathews bows, a couple of Hoyt's, an APA and a couple of Bowtechs. I'm not a brand fan boy. They all make good stuff. When I bought my current bow I had never considered a PSE. I just never liked the PSE grip. But I got a great deal on the bow and quickly became a big fan of PSE. But I'm going to be in the market for a new bow soon and these are the two I'll look at. I would say that I wish PSE and Hoyt would make their carbon bows in a 32 inch ATA. That would be at a sweet spot. I just am not a fan of the short bows. I live in NC but my daughter lives in Jacksonville. Next time I'm in north FL I'm gonna try and find this shop.
@@johngarnergarner6724if you like smooth,fast and easy to work on yourself,don't miss shooting the new Darton Sequal! 31", 33" and 35" axel to axel this year. 18:21
@@TheNewBowunter That doesn't really seem what that sign implies....it states "$100 fee for test shooting" "Fee will be applied to cost of bow" (within 30 days) How could someone not take it as they are charging $100 to test fire a bow....if you buy said bow within 30 days you get your 100 bucks applied to price of bow. Explain the bow bought somewhere else and tuning about that sign
To be honest I feel You should do a round on the Mach30 also after those to. I think the difference is not big enough to upgrade from 30 :P I took a 34 in aluminium and 30 in carbon and split them by warm and cold days or the disctance I shoot at. Not sure if RX or M33 makes so big difference from M30 which You had already got used to.
Draw length is way to long and grip on the bow is improper, I think you'd be a little better off saving your dollars ,and getting your bows properly set up. And working through some form issues. I'd be more then happy to help you out . Reach out anytime Bergy Bowsmith on all platforms. I can promise you that if that shop is letting you shoot that draw length that the bow isn't tuned properly
I know I dont have the best form for sure..Been shooting 11 months now. But I competed in 2 tournaments..Got 3rd and 2nd. So at least my arrows are going pretty much where I want. LOL Where are you located?
@TheNewBowunter I'm located in SE MN but I tune bows and help archers from all over the country. Getting fieldtips to hit together doesn't mean your arrows are flying true. your bow can be grossly out of tune and still group with fieldtips it's the broadheads for hunting that is gonna be a issue.
Two great bows but for me the grip on the Hoyt causes left and right misses. If I don't get my hand exactly the same shot to shot I will miss to the left. I have a Darton that I shoot so much better simply because of the repeatable grip. I wish Hoyt had the same grip but different strokes for different folks.
2 years deep into my Omen 33, 2 inch groups at 60 with fixed blades, 70 lbs ,309fps , 450 grns. Never owned a bow before but I think I am a repeatable GRIP😮
People get too hung up on speed. You’re better off using a bow you can be very comfortable and in control of. It needs to be an enjoyable experience not a chore to go out and shoot. Of course, when you are young and strong it might not matter too much.
It all came down to the hold and the shot. The hoyt was just more stable...to me anyway. Dont think anyone can go wrong with either. Thanks for watching.
The hard and extra hard is referring to the back wall not the let off.
Interesting speed test, shot these 2 bows at 28” with a 435 grain arrow and the Hoyt was 9 fps faster!
I think they had the PSE draw length set longer. So the Hoyt is prob faster
The hard vs. extra hard are modifications to the draw stops. Softer back wall= hard / harder back wall= x hard. they work well but do not effect the cycle at all.
@@garohachigian339 That explains why I really couldn’t tell any difference. Thanks
The draw lengths are not the same it’s very clear to see. That’s why the speeds are different. It’s every bit of an inch.
@@jwild5360 They told me they set them both at 27 1/2. That’s what I asked for before we started filming
@ yes they made a mistake.
His elbow was way high when shooting that Hoyt,way short my friend!
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Just came across this video. I also shoot 27 1/2 inch draw length. And I'd also guess that I'm about the same age as this gentleman. And I also prefer lighter arrows. I shoot 385 grains out of my hunting set up. Currently I shoot a PSE EVO EVL 32 and I haven't run it through a chrono. But it is smoking fast. I've been a bowhunter for a lot of years and have owned just about every brand you can think of. I've had a couple of Mathews bows, a couple of Hoyt's, an APA and a couple of Bowtechs. I'm not a brand fan boy. They all make good stuff. When I bought my current bow I had never considered a PSE. I just never liked the PSE grip. But I got a great deal on the bow and quickly became a big fan of PSE. But I'm going to be in the market for a new bow soon and these are the two I'll look at. I would say that I wish PSE and Hoyt would make their carbon bows in a 32 inch ATA. That would be at a sweet spot. I just am not a fan of the short bows. I live in NC but my daughter lives in Jacksonville. Next time I'm in north FL I'm gonna try and find this shop.
Thanks for watching. I am 59 by the way..LOL
@@TheNewBowunter close 61. I'm gonna shoot those two bows. Lotta performance at 27 1/2 which is exactly what I shoot.
@@johngarnergarner6724 Let me know what you choose. It was not a easy decision.
@@johngarnergarner6724if you like smooth,fast and easy to work on yourself,don't miss shooting the new Darton Sequal! 31", 33" and 35" axel to axel this year. 18:21
So this shop charges $100 to test shoot a bow?
@@bullet225ho No…where did you get that idea? It’s completely free.
@@TheNewBowunter There's a big 8.5 x 11 sign on the outside of that little cubicle that you shot in
@ That applies if you purchased a bow elsewhere…and then have them set it up for you.
@@TheNewBowunter That doesn't really seem what that sign implies....it states "$100 fee for test shooting" "Fee will be applied to cost of bow" (within 30 days) How could someone not take it as they are charging $100 to test fire a bow....if you buy said bow within 30 days you get your 100 bucks applied to price of bow. Explain the bow bought somewhere else and tuning about that sign
@ All I can say for certain is that they have never charged me.
The PSE is noticeably longer draw length, maybe an honest mistake, but that stands to reason as to why the speed is more.
Unfortunately they don’t have that machine that you can put a bow in and measure it. Would be a nice piece of equipment to have tho…I’m sure
To be honest I feel You should do a round on the Mach30 also after those to. I think the difference is not big enough to upgrade from 30 :P I took a 34 in aluminium and 30 in carbon and split them by warm and cold days or the disctance I shoot at. Not sure if RX or M33 makes so big difference from M30 which You had already got used to.
You could be right...But I want a spare bow anyway. And its fun trying new things. Thanks for watching.
But you left out Darton can I ask why?
@@mikereedy7157 Sure…I just prefer carbon bows.
Draw length is way to long and grip on the bow is improper, I think you'd be a little better off saving your dollars ,and getting your bows properly set up. And working through some form issues. I'd be more then happy to help you out . Reach out anytime Bergy Bowsmith on all platforms. I can promise you that if that shop is letting you shoot that draw length that the bow isn't tuned properly
I know I dont have the best form for sure..Been shooting 11 months now. But I competed in 2 tournaments..Got 3rd and 2nd. So at least my arrows are going pretty much where I want. LOL Where are you located?
@TheNewBowunter I'm located in SE MN but I tune bows and help archers from all over the country.
Getting fieldtips to hit together doesn't mean your arrows are flying true. your bow can be grossly out of tune and still group with fieldtips it's the broadheads for hunting that is gonna be a issue.
Two great bows but for me the grip on the Hoyt causes left and right misses. If I don't get my hand exactly the same shot to shot I will miss to the left. I have a Darton that I shoot so much better simply because of the repeatable grip. I wish Hoyt had the same grip but different strokes for different folks.
2 years deep into my Omen 33, 2 inch groups at 60 with fixed blades, 70 lbs ,309fps , 450 grns. Never owned a bow before but I think I am a repeatable GRIP😮
People get too hung up on speed. You’re better off using a bow you can be very comfortable and in control of. It needs to be an enjoyable experience not a chore to go out and shoot. Of course, when you are young and strong it might not matter too much.
He liked the PSE better in every way but picks the hoyt
It all came down to the hold and the shot. The hoyt was just more stable...to me anyway. Dont think anyone can go wrong with either. Thanks for watching.
The Hoyt is waaaay more stable
@ It was to me at least. lol. Thanks for watching
Awesome you guys are reviewing shorter draw length. PSE is way better bow, Hoyt are 5 years behind everyone else
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Love PSE but Hoyt does make a great product as well are they The Glock of the bow world?