Tenerife Airport Disaster - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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  • Опубликовано: 8 дек 2020
  • For further reading on this accident, consider purchasing a copy of David Alexander's Book "Never Wait For The Fire Truck:", available on Amazon: www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Wait-F...
    In March 1977, two Boeing 747 passenger planes crash into each other at a small airport in Tenerife in low visibility. A long chain of individual events lead to this tragedy. The deadliest aviation disaster in history.

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  • @DisasterBreakdown
    @DisasterBreakdown  3 года назад +179

    For further reading on this accident, consider purchasing a copy of David Alexander's Book "Never Wait For The Fire Truck:", available on Amazon: www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Wait-Fire-Truck-Deadliest/dp/0692471871
    He also had taken some of the pictures of the accident on the day one of which was used in this video.

    • @masennus2495
      @masennus2495 3 года назад +2

      Å

    • @keyman6689
      @keyman6689 3 года назад +6

      Also "Terror at Tenerife" by Norman Williams and George Otis. I remember reading that book in high school, and it's what brought me to this video.

    • @davidalexander7742
      @davidalexander7742 3 года назад +6

      @@keyman6689 I was sitting directly behind Norman Williams and have heard his presentation twice.

    • @christinethieme8695
      @christinethieme8695 2 года назад +1

      @@keyman6689 I read that book in grade school! Agreed, it began a fascination. Nice to know that book impacted someone else too, most people have never heard of it; I cannot forget it. 😔

    • @christinethieme8695
      @christinethieme8695 2 года назад +2

      @@davidalexander7742 Wow! What a blessing to hear it directly from the author! Amazing, thank you for sharing!

  • @jr13227
    @jr13227 3 года назад +597

    KLM actually tried to approach the captain of this flight to help investigate the accident only to realize he had died in it.

    • @SoulDevoured
      @SoulDevoured 3 года назад +84

      I can't help but wonder if some shitty practices from KLM made the captain so antsy.

    • @CassassinCatto
      @CassassinCatto 3 года назад +34

      That must have been embarrassing

    • @bogdangabrielonete3467
      @bogdangabrielonete3467 3 года назад +184

      KLM : We'll send our best pilot to assist in the investigation
      KLM to itself : (low voice) so where is Van Zanten?
      ...
      KLM : ... *_f u c k_*

    • @PinkAgaricus
      @PinkAgaricus 3 года назад +1

      If I ran any of them that day I would have watched world news to see what was going on in that part of the world before fulfilling anybody's tickets...if I found out anything was going on at the actual destination, I would have postponed all the flights at a safer airport (origin for both, JFK for Pan Am and whatever the source was for KLM) for a few hours or even for a day until both the terrorism incident and weather passed.
      I wonder if this is also a case of "please plan ahead and prepare yourself" (aka check yourself before you wreck yourself. In this case literally) on the corporate portion of the airlines. Shows how much we live in a bubble being oblivious to things happening elsewhere. I think this was true at the time of this incident.

    • @bogdangabrielonete3467
      @bogdangabrielonete3467 3 года назад +38

      @@PinkAgaricus It's easy to say "I would have done X" in hindsight. But no one could have known this would happen. And you must also take into account the procedures and mentality of the time. It's easy to judge the past by today's standards, but back then it was different.

  • @et9120
    @et9120 3 года назад +584

    I feel so bad for the pan-am crew. You just know he was staring into the mist hoping to god he didn't see that plane come barreling out off of it.

    • @GunsNRoses1123
      @GunsNRoses1123 3 года назад +40

      I'm so happy that att least the Pan am crew survived as the crash wasn't their fault. This is so much an accident that shouldn't have happened, all those poor, innocent people who died.

    • @xonx209
      @xonx209 3 года назад +2

      It says when the PAN AM pilot saw the KLM, he put on max thrust and try to get off the run way ASAP. Why wasn't he doing this to begin with?

    • @et9120
      @et9120 3 года назад +34

      @@xonx209 It seems he thought the KLM had understood and was holding short for takeoff, he thought he had the runway to himself. He most likely saw the lights illuminating the fog and knew only the KLM plane could've been coming through there.

    • @danismith3112
      @danismith3112 3 года назад +7

      @@xonx209 there was a lot of mist, the KLM crew misunderstood the instructions given to hold.

    • @michaelvalmo
      @michaelvalmo 2 года назад +13

      @@xonx209 it was on poor visibility so the pilots were a bit careful while taxiing so as not to taxi on the grass area.

  • @saxmanb777
    @saxmanb777 3 года назад +1203

    No matter how many times I listen to this accident, I somehow hope the story changes in that Pan Am got out of the way in time or KLM got off the ground in time.

    • @SadMarinersFan
      @SadMarinersFan 3 года назад +135

      I feel so bad for the PanAm pilots. I can't imagine loosing my life because someone else was too impatient to wait 30 seconds.

    • @vibingwithvinyl
      @vibingwithvinyl 3 года назад +108

      @@SadMarinersFan The captain, first officer, and flight engineer of the Pan Am flight all survived.
      Like pretty much all accidents, this was a series of unfortunate decisions. Main one of course being the KLM captain deciding to take off without clearance.

    • @robertmcghintheorca49
      @robertmcghintheorca49 3 года назад +26

      Me too. If only the Pan Am could've gotten off the runway quicker or the KLM wasn't too heavy, and it would just be a close call for the history books.

    • @menno730
      @menno730 3 года назад +7

      @@vibingwithvinyl well the thing is that he thought he was allowed to take off. But sadly the stupid radio was so bad....

    • @jetserofficial
      @jetserofficial 3 года назад +52

      @@menno730 no take off clearance, the engineer had warn him, it's pure impatience

  • @dubbyhctv4492
    @dubbyhctv4492 3 года назад +698

    Imagine being that woman who decided not to get back on the plane, she was probably so greatful for her acts but felt so unfair because of what happened to the other people

    • @Ozymandias1
      @Ozymandias1 3 года назад +39

      She died last year at age 67.

    • @manuelvalentin2648
      @manuelvalentin2648 3 года назад +61

      Probably lived with survivor's guilt the rest of her life.

    • @thewhorenextdoor8268
      @thewhorenextdoor8268 3 года назад +12

      @@manuelvalentin2648 You got survivors guilt only if you knew the people, for an example I suffer from this condition due to losing some of my platoon members in Iraq, I I knew all of them even their serial number, spouses, kids and pets

    • @PascalD87
      @PascalD87 3 года назад +90

      @@thewhorenextdoor8268 that's just wrong. Why are you gatekeeping this?

    • @laceneil4570
      @laceneil4570 3 года назад +71

      @@thewhorenextdoor8268 She did know some of the people. Robin was a tour guide, so she knew the people in the tour group, plus the other guides were her friends. She tried to persuade them to get off the plane with her, but they refused. Imagine leaving your friends on the flight, probably promising to meet up next week, and then finding out that the plane crashed and everyone on it died.

  • @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043
    @gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 3 года назад +403

    I missed it if it was mentioned here, but it’s my understanding that KLM headquarters was hurriedly searching for their erstwhile senior Captain to respond to this accident, and were horrified to learn that ironically, he was the one that caused it and was one of the casualties. RIP those who died, and may we who are in positions of management or authority always remember humility is an important trait.

    • @maggie210
      @maggie210 3 года назад +18

      You're right!I heard about this fact.

    • @rp7r54
      @rp7r54 2 года назад +11

      Yes - people say that the KLM captain was arrogant

    • @sharoncassell9358
      @sharoncassell9358 Год назад +4

      I always say get there itis is rushing to a grave. When driving we see people speeding only to be stopped by a red light or cop. Camera. Or accident.

    • @pyramidhead2874
      @pyramidhead2874 6 месяцев назад +1

      Very well said...

  • @HaXD1209
    @HaXD1209 3 года назад +267

    "Standby for takeoff"
    *Ramps engine to full power*

    • @davidgahan-ks5jh
      @davidgahan-ks5jh 2 года назад +30

      Yeah ... he thought he was larger than life...after that rules changed in the cockpit...captains of the plane dont play the gods anymore

    • @rp7r54
      @rp7r54 2 года назад +12

      @@davidgahan-ks5jh Some people say that the KLM captain was arrogant

    • @thedave1771
      @thedave1771 2 года назад +12

      And yet KLM wouldn’t willingly accept responsibility, which I still find genuinely staggering. I understand the caption may have misunderstood some of the situation, but he had no indication he had *takeoff* clearance.

    • @crazy4gta1
      @crazy4gta1 2 года назад +1

      Actually that message was not heard by the klm crew. The pan am and the tower transmitted at the same time and caused the message not to be heard

    • @thedave1771
      @thedave1771 2 года назад +13

      @@crazy4gta1 He was not given clearance. He guessed he had clearance, and everyone paid the price.

  • @trevorstokens2894
    @trevorstokens2894 2 года назад +215

    It’s crazy how if KLM would have been 5 minutes more patient, they could have powered down the run way without clearance just fine

    • @davidgahan-ks5jh
      @davidgahan-ks5jh 2 года назад +19

      There was a difference of 60 seconds....pan am was already turning to clear the runway when KLM appeared..

    • @willbernhardt4163
      @willbernhardt4163 2 года назад +36

      By contrast, if they had been even less patient and skipped getting fuel, they may have gotten off the ground in time. Absolutely insane.

    • @dexterpoindexter3583
      @dexterpoindexter3583 Год назад

      @Trevor's Tokens Yes, but... If there was fog at Gordo on La Palma, the KLM could have made the same kind of mistake there. They would feel even more rushed because of losing those 5 minutes. And that pesky Pan Am would still be right behind them... along with plenty of other planes from Tenerife asking to land ASAP.

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 5 месяцев назад

      Trevorstokens the weather did improve 5-10 minutes or so. If the tower had refused klm to refuel. A lot if "if's". Klm captain did not listen to first officer, flight engineer. He was told by his first officer, they did not have clearance to takeoff, only route clearance. During takeoff role the flight engineer did address is the pan am clear.

    • @MC-dg6yu
      @MC-dg6yu 5 месяцев назад

      Maybe by skipping fuel, both the airplanes may have avoided the fog, which would have avoided any accident, as both ends of the runway would have been clearly visible as well as any potential obstructions, even if ATC messages were missed or not followed as required.

  • @erlienfrommars
    @erlienfrommars 3 года назад +102

    Captain Grubbs did his best to steer his plane away, and that gave 61 people the chance to live and tell the tale today, he died on 1995.
    F/O Bragg survived long enough to become one of the few people interviewed on many documentaries that featured this disaster, He died on 2017.

  • @Alb410
    @Alb410 3 года назад +164

    Don't forget the miscommunication was also a big part. Radios those airliners used were 2-way only and when 2 people speak at once, it causes a big static void of a noise instead. Both ATC and the Pan Am talked at the same time, further complicating the situation.

    • @katiesays
      @katiesays 2 года назад +10

      Yeah, that’s a really important piece of information. I didn’t know that.

    • @janicenicholls5924
      @janicenicholls5924 2 года назад +12

      The KLM pilot thought he heard OKAY to take off, obviously or he would never have done his action. Such a tragedy written in time and no way to change it.

    • @dexterpoindexter3583
      @dexterpoindexter3583 Год назад +4

      Having every transmission acknowledged by the receiver, with callsigns, is now a standard practice that was introduced because of this accident's investigation and report.

    • @Ben-ks5bm
      @Ben-ks5bm Год назад +3

      Was a small thing, Blame fully lays with KLM

    • @robabob1001
      @robabob1001 Год назад +4

      Yeah I agree with whats being said, no-one was using call signs, no-one was double checking... KLM at fault absolutely. Who powers up for take off when you've just heard, 'we're still on the runway!'

  • @timteevin4517
    @timteevin4517 3 года назад +334

    "Captain Important" was the cause.

    • @edchester1773
      @edchester1773 3 года назад +16

      BINGO!

    • @aaronbritt2025
      @aaronbritt2025 3 года назад +22

      How do you know there's a Senior Captain in the room? Don't worry, he'll let you know.

    • @justinwallace390
      @justinwallace390 2 года назад +6

      "Captain Entitlement"

    • @rp7r54
      @rp7r54 2 года назад +2

      KLM Captain Arrogant

    • @managed9348
      @managed9348 4 месяца назад

      Captain I’m in Charge

  • @kat_the_ot
    @kat_the_ot 3 года назад +161

    I remember learning about this in the medical profession of all places. It really changed how pilots and airlines do checklists and hold each other accountable and how now doctor and other people in medicine do their work and how to listen to others even if they're considered "beneath" you.

    • @sushi0513
      @sushi0513 3 года назад +3

      yeah, they talk about how aviation industry operates and learns from events in the medical profession and safety culture education a lot.. the checklists are HUGE!

    • @LegosRock223
      @LegosRock223 3 года назад

      I learned about it in nursing school as well, I recognized it the moment the fog was brought up

    • @bumman117
      @bumman117 3 года назад

      What was the lesson on? Like how a disaster could overwhelm a hospital?

    • @kat_the_ot
      @kat_the_ot 3 года назад +8

      @@bumman117 it was all about communication with the other people on your medical team, especially during an emergency. Like having a nurse call out a doctor if he wants to give a medication that the patient is allergic to. Don't be afraid even though he's the doctor.

    • @davidalexander7742
      @davidalexander7742 3 года назад +6

      It's called Crew Resource Management and I detail that in my book "Never Wait for the Fire Truck".

  • @AidenTheAviator
    @AidenTheAviator 3 года назад +163

    Another extremely close call was in 2017 when an Air Canada Airbus A320 nearly landing on a taxiway in San Francisco which was occupied by 4 fully loaded planes. All 5 planes together had more then 1000 people on them. The Air Canada missed the other planes by 14 feet, which is way too close for planes.

    • @davidalexander7742
      @davidalexander7742 3 года назад +16

      I am aware of that near miss. The news media compared the possible loss of life to the Canary Islands Crash.

    • @dexterpoindexter3583
      @dexterpoindexter3583 Год назад +2

      @Aiden The Aviator That A320 started its go-around only after one of the pilots on the taxiway switched on all of his plane's lights... the instant change is easily visible on security camera video.

    • @Erik_Swiger
      @Erik_Swiger Год назад +1

      Every time I start RUclips, it plays an ad for KLM (not sure why this happens). Same words each time: "Imagine...4,000 people, on one plane..." Yeah, just imagine, after binge-watching these videos.

    • @DaWrecka
      @DaWrecka 9 месяцев назад

      @@Erik_SwigerImagine 4,000 people on one KLM plane... Godverdomme, indeed.

    • @kay9549
      @kay9549 5 месяцев назад

      Aiden do remember that incident at SFO, there were three planes awaiting clearance to depart. The air Canada was coming into a landing on the same runway. Its so fortunate that the second plane put on lights, so air Canada had to do a go around. Not sure what the distance was, but was very close to the second plane, tail/stabilizer. Think they mention in overall investigation it was 7 feet. Not sure if that is correct.

  • @jay01342
    @jay01342 3 года назад +289

    I like how you explain everything in detail both visually and auditorily. You're the best flight disaster channel I've watched. Also RIP to everyone who died from this disaster.

  • @MissLehane
    @MissLehane 3 года назад +111

    A very similar accident happened in October 2001 in Milan, Italy. It's known as the Linate Airport disaster. It was a foggy morning and a Cessna entered the runway while a SAS MD-87 was taking off. The Cessna was destroyed by impacted and the SAS MD-87 became uncontrollable, crashed the luggage hangar and exploded. All died on both Cessna and MD-87, plus 4 of the ground personnel working in the hangar. In this case, however, the fault was at the Cessna whose pilot either confused the taxiway (the numbers were not legible due to poor maintenance and fog) or deliberately crossed the runway, as in the trial it emerged that some pilots of small planes were used to take a "shortcut". Linate Airport also was at fault for poor maintenance of the taxiways and the fact that the safety systems like incursion alarms had been deactivated. Poor people. 118 souls lost.

    • @BigBlueJake
      @BigBlueJake 2 года назад +2

      Wasn't the Cessna a CitationJet though? Business jet, not the lil' bugsmashers many people learn to fly in. A Cessna 172 shouldn't be wandering around in fog.

    • @larchman4327
      @larchman4327 Год назад +1

      Small and big planes shouldn't even use the same airport.

  • @GermanShepherd1983
    @GermanShepherd1983 Год назад +23

    I remember when this happened. KLM tried to blame Pan Am for not taking the earlier exit that turned the wrong way. It's obvious that van Zanten was totally to blame.

  • @Rod.Machado
    @Rod.Machado 3 года назад +80

    This accident makes my blood boil, simple measures couldve made this airport and day uneventful, only if captain important started to think like a pilot not a CEO controlling costs.

    • @evazquez2188
      @evazquez2188 Год назад +1

      All accidents are like that. There is never a single cause, but a series of events that take place in the right order and at the same time. If only one of the events didn't take place, the accident would not have happened.
      1. Without bomb at Las Palmas, this would have never happened.
      2. Without KLM strict Flying time restrictions policy, this may not have happened.
      3. Without 3 KLM passengers being late to re-board the plane, this may not have happened.
      4. Without Capt. Van Zantem refueling the plane, this would not have happened.
      5. Without fog, this would not have happened.
      6. Without PanAm missing exit C3, this would not have happened.
      7. Without radio interference, this may not have happened.

  • @ecidadeII
    @ecidadeII 3 года назад +48

    There’s at least a half dozen times where I just close my eyes dreading the next few phrases, hoping that somehow the outcome changes.

  • @RJDJ-tz2hd
    @RJDJ-tz2hd 3 года назад +229

    I started watching your vids yesterday and I am hooked.

    • @user-vm2wi8no1s
      @user-vm2wi8no1s 3 года назад +1

      Same.

    • @kuponut26
      @kuponut26 3 года назад +1

      Fking same

    • @arandomthing2489
      @arandomthing2489 3 года назад +1

      Same

    • @conniethomas4753
      @conniethomas4753 3 года назад +1

      I’m developing RUclips-itis on days don’t have work or specific things to be doing!
      Should be concerned I may believe I can fy a plane soon ha ha :-)

    • @Lyoko6023
      @Lyoko6023 3 года назад

      Same here, greetings from Mexico!!

  • @eatmyfard4382
    @eatmyfard4382 3 года назад +83

    Moral of the Story: Patience is rewarded(In this case, If Captain Important did not rush, There wouldn't be such a devestating disaster)

    • @rp7r54
      @rp7r54 2 года назад +4

      Concur

  • @khman1983
    @khman1983 2 года назад +56

    The KLM pilot was wrong and the airline wanted to blame the Pan Am pilots for the disaster. Sadly, the KLM pilot should have used better management of the plane, taking on too much fuel which made the disaster even worse and not waiting for the proper clearance. Had the plane not been fully loaded with fuel, it might have gained more altitude to avoid the collision.

    • @janicenicholls5924
      @janicenicholls5924 2 года назад +1

      Doubt it.

    • @rp7r54
      @rp7r54 2 года назад +11

      YES - A lot of people say that the KLM captain was arrogant, smug, condescending, opinionated, etc.

  • @jamesr1703
    @jamesr1703 3 года назад +61

    I'll never complain about a delay again.

  • @itscosmicnerd
    @itscosmicnerd 2 года назад +14

    This is incredibly heartbreaking. My heart goes out to the families of the victims of this horrific accident. An example of impatience and arrogance rather than valuing human life.

  • @guilhermefernandes5762
    @guilhermefernandes5762 2 года назад +10

    Man, this maybe one of the saddest acidents ever. Just one mistake cost the of more than 500 people. Just can't imagine how the both crews heads were when they saw that other giant plane coming towards than.

  • @vulpesinculta1919
    @vulpesinculta1919 3 года назад +68

    Love these videos, really in depth yet simple for the layman. Def better than the usual flight simulator footage and text you get on other channels

    • @tylerjerabek5204
      @tylerjerabek5204 3 года назад

      Agree, however one channel gives more of the conversation aboard KLM and with ATC than this; however this gives a lot more of the aftermath and investigation

  • @CoraJean19
    @CoraJean19 3 года назад +5

    I cracked up at the most professional and descriptive word ‘squished’. 🤣🤣

  • @chandrachurniyogi8394
    @chandrachurniyogi8394 3 года назад +66

    one pilot's complacency & ego is the reason for such a crash!!!

    • @Joe-el2wx
      @Joe-el2wx 3 года назад +2

      no its not

    • @keeganfennec8514
      @keeganfennec8514 3 года назад +9

      @@Joe-el2wx yes it is

    • @Joe-el2wx
      @Joe-el2wx 3 года назад +5

      @@keeganfennec8514 how? There were like a million different things that went wrong that day. You can't simply blame a single guy.

    • @madelijnvanbeek3600
      @madelijnvanbeek3600 3 года назад +5

      @@keeganfennec8514 did you watch the video?? There was so much more than that. He could’ve lost host permit to fly if he didn’t take of on time

    • @ChaosCat79
      @ChaosCat79 3 года назад +20

      @@madelijnvanbeek3600 Which *still* would leave Van Zanten as one of the primary causes of this tragic accident. Regardless of whatever inter-company regulations you are working/flying under, *no* pilot should ever proceed with a take off without confirming he has clearance from air traffic control - *especially* so in heavy fog restricting visiblity so severely.
      And anyway, being the highly "respected" (debatable) captain he was in KLM, surely he had the sort of clout within KLM to likely get a slap on the wrist from the company management, rather than a more serious reprimand.

  • @greebo7857
    @greebo7857 3 года назад +14

    I have watched many videos on this horrific incident. This presentation is head snd shoulders above the rest. Kudos and a new sub.

  • @Caracaraorangeberry
    @Caracaraorangeberry 3 года назад +29

    i don’t understand why VanZanten thought he would have been “in trouble” over circumstances that were completely out of his control re: the diversion to Tenerife, over a bomb threat. wouldn’t KLM have understood?

    • @jasonvoorhees6152
      @jasonvoorhees6152 3 года назад +8

      because the Dutch government made the rule not KLM.

    • @Caracaraorangeberry
      @Caracaraorangeberry 3 года назад +9

      @@jasonvoorhees6152
      i didn’t know that. i thought it was a KLM policy.
      it’s astonishing that so many people can be taken out at once in an air disaster like this.

    • @BigBlueJake
      @BigBlueJake 2 года назад +2

      @@jasonvoorhees6152 That's an important piece of information the disaster shows should have mentioned. It would explain why even van Zanten was worried about going over time.

  • @Poodlefang89
    @Poodlefang89 2 года назад +11

    I’ve watched over ten different videos about this accident and you my friend have by far explained it and broke it down the best. Well done brother. Have a great day. Love your videos!

  • @Mochrie99
    @Mochrie99 3 года назад +11

    I can't even begin to imagine the horror of this disaster. I was less than 2 years old at the time it happened, and only learned about it in the last decade or so through various RUclips videos and documentaries. I hope to god that no other air disaster of this magnitude ever happens again. Though, with impatient pilots like Capt. Van Zanten, it sadly may....

  • @AstraSystem
    @AstraSystem 4 месяца назад +2

    Slowly working my way through Chloe's older videos. Love this channel!

  • @algermom1
    @algermom1 3 года назад +14

    Great research, narration and presentation of this immense tragedy. Thank you!

  • @colinwoods9601
    @colinwoods9601 2 года назад +7

    Just breeeezed through, “These incursions still occur on occasion.” My man.

  • @rebeccawoolfolk5377
    @rebeccawoolfolk5377 3 года назад +2

    Thanks for this clear explanation of what happened. I've watched a couple other videos and was still confused until I watched yours.

  • @HeliosEffect
    @HeliosEffect 3 года назад +15

    Criminally underrated channel

  • @j.ace.7162
    @j.ace.7162 3 года назад +4

    These are astonishing and very well researched, and well told docus. Thanks! 😮

  • @DisasterBreakdown
    @DisasterBreakdown  3 года назад +20

    As some have pointed out, there is a small mistake at 12:28 It was actually the Flight Engineer Willem Schreuder who said that not the First Officer.
    Sources:
    archives.pr.erau.edu/ref/Tenerife-ALPAandAFIP.pdf
    www.skybrary.aero/index.php/B742_/_B741,_Tenerife_Canary_Islands_Spain,_1977
    www.faasafety.gov/files/gslac/courses/content/232/1081/finaldutchreport.pdf
    www.project-tenerife.com/engels/cvrtranscript.htm
    ruclips.net/video/6XCoxnhrfEU/видео.html
    news.google.com/newspapers?id=kNZVAAAAIBAJ&pg=6418%2C7066417
    confessionsofatrolleydolly.com/2017/03/26/angels-of-the-sky-dorothy-kelly-the-tenerife-disaster/teneife-disaster-diagram/
    web.archive.org/web/20110715122130/www.project-tenerife.com/engels/PDF/alpa.pdf
    www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/final-eight-minutes/

  • @ianjeremy4471
    @ianjeremy4471 3 года назад +39

    Captain Van Zanten was the poster boy (literally) for KLM,
    He got to big for his boots and because of his celebrity status at the airline, he decided normal rules including take off clearance, did not apply to him!

    • @franrbrown
      @franrbrown 3 года назад +4

      Highly improbable. It was his belief he had the proper clearance.

    • @ianjeremy4471
      @ianjeremy4471 3 года назад +11

      @@franrbrown Not improbable..
      FACTS !

    • @franrbrown
      @franrbrown 3 года назад +12

      @@ianjeremy4471 People who yell out FACTS or TRUTH are in my experience actually the least likely to know what those are. So what is your proof Van Zanten's KNEW he didn't have the proper clearance, as opposed to mistakenly thinking he had the clearance, when he began his take off? I would like to see just how well you know the difference between a fact and conjecture. Let's see if you are up for the challenge.

    • @lonerebeI
      @lonerebeI 3 года назад +3

      @@franrbrown Please shut up. What type of maniac defends captain error such as this

    • @hlowrylong
      @hlowrylong 3 года назад +6

      It has been discussed that the radio transmissions had clicked over some of the parts of each person’s sentence. Van Zanten could have thought he had clearance, but he clearly should have double-triple checked the comms.

  • @mysoundrights
    @mysoundrights 3 года назад +83

    the restless ghost of Van Zanten,his ego ruined everything.

    • @mak868
      @mak868 3 года назад +18

      You could also say that the terrorist we're to blame.
      If they weren't so selfish when they blew up the airport all the planes would have landed on their destination.
      Besides that it was the captains fault for not dubbel checking everything.
      That means that this human mistake became a tragedy.

    • @Ozymandias1
      @Ozymandias1 3 года назад +3

      Forever doomed to roam the skies like Willem van der Decken was doomed to roam the seas.

    • @madelijnvanbeek3600
      @madelijnvanbeek3600 3 года назад +3

      Did you watch the video?? They explained that there were way more factors than him rushing into things. If he didn’t lift of he could lose his job

    • @dalerussellsullivan9373
      @dalerussellsullivan9373 3 года назад +3

      @@Ozymandias1 , yet another 'Flying Dutchman'. 😣

    • @quantumwitcher9376
      @quantumwitcher9376 3 года назад +6

      @@madelijnvanbeek3600 I rather lose my job than kill 500+ people

  • @RogueOutlaw
    @RogueOutlaw 3 года назад +8

    You definitely have the best disaster videos on RUclips, subscribed.

  • @lueagle09
    @lueagle09 2 года назад +8

    Another thing I heard in another explanation was that in the Netherlands at that time, the consequences for going over duty hours included license revocation, if I’m remembering correctly. The Smithsonian channel, my source here, has a series called “Air Disasters” and cover this accident.

    • @spongebubatz
      @spongebubatz 2 года назад +4

      Yes that’s true, the main or only reason the KLM pilot wanted to leave

  • @juliaweir6641
    @juliaweir6641 3 года назад +17

    In sept of 2001 I was on a flight from Nova Scotia to Toronto we almost landed then suddenly nosed up quickly the pilot came on and told us we barely missed another plane on the runway

    • @shaniceturner7640
      @shaniceturner7640 3 года назад +2

      Wow

    • @artemis6828
      @artemis6828 3 года назад

      im glad you’re okay

    • @dexterpoindexter3583
      @dexterpoindexter3583 Год назад

      @Julia Weir Great work by that pilot. Bet the lesson was almost lost in the chaos of 9-11 though, less than 2 weeks later...

  • @monot00nz
    @monot00nz 3 года назад +7

    The impatience of the captain was the only variable that could be controlled, yet wasn't. What a shame that greed caused this tragedy.

  • @cheetosftw3098
    @cheetosftw3098 2 года назад +1

    I am stuck on watching your videos, but good job on these very detail explanations. This is very sad and may all those poor souls RIP 🙏 I have never heard of most of these plane accidents so ty for these videos!

  • @ohnowhy700
    @ohnowhy700 Год назад +3

    Despite watching several videos of this specific disaster and hearing the details over and over again, this whole thing still frustrates me. It was completely avoidable and thats what makes me even more angry about it. I can't imagine what everyone on both flight decks were thinking the second the caught a glimpse of one another.

  • @Ranoldopereztroika
    @Ranoldopereztroika Год назад +2

    Every time I hear a recount of these events Final Destination comes to mind.

  • @FatheredPuma81
    @FatheredPuma81 2 года назад +7

    "Hey there's a plane on the runway you know!"
    "Then they best get out of the way! I'm coming through!!!"

  • @mrkipling2201
    @mrkipling2201 3 года назад +6

    Thanks for this. Some facts in it that I didn’t know. I knew about most of what happened with this disaster.

  • @efistofelico3270
    @efistofelico3270 5 месяцев назад

    Great job!
    Thank you so much!

  • @elliotgold
    @elliotgold 3 года назад

    Very, very well produced video. Subscribed. Please keep up the great work!!!

  • @scottsmith8190
    @scottsmith8190 3 года назад +2

    Excellent, accurate, and well researched video 👍👍

  • @kdawson020279
    @kdawson020279 2 года назад +4

    I've only had the displeasure of the experience of two plane crashes in my immediate vicinity that affected me... an experimental Bombardier takeoff accident, and a Beechcraft B200 that crashed mere yards from where I work morbidly causing the only 3 deaths to occur in an actual plane crash in a FlightSafety flight simulator [N52SZ] in 2014. A twin-engine Beech going down full of fuel is horrific enough and the fire didn't go cold for many hours due to the remaining structure holding much of the burning fuel, and only recent roadwork finally erased the scar left by the Bombardier many years ago. I can see the photos, huge aviation fan, flown on jets large and small, but I can't mentally scale that experience up to a jumbo jet, and I hope I never have to.

  • @petermarinov3332
    @petermarinov3332 3 года назад +1

    Good job @Disaster Breakdown. Subscribed.

  • @jeffreydeeds9225
    @jeffreydeeds9225 3 года назад +1

    Great video! I hope this will forever remain the deadliest aviation accident ever.

  • @fishchipsandmushypeas
    @fishchipsandmushypeas Год назад

    Fantastic channel, keep up the great work.

  • @jimmyshrimbe9361
    @jimmyshrimbe9361 3 года назад

    What a sad event. Great video!

  • @richardmcgowan1651
    @richardmcgowan1651 3 года назад +27

    I mean the captain of the KLM knew there was another plane on the runway and heading down it at taxi speed towards him in low visibility. It would be a case of double and even triple-checking the runway was clear. The only thing to argue against his incompetence was the runway in that amount of low visibility should have been closed.

    • @rp7r54
      @rp7r54 2 года назад +2

      I agree. Even drag racing in a fog is not good.

    • @gusmc01
      @gusmc01 Год назад +3

      Worst ever case of "get there itis". Already re-routed and delayed, further delayed by the refueling, a plane full of frustrated passengers...made the captain in a rush to "get there". A fraction more patience by the captain would have saved over 500 lives.

    • @Maddogg-hg5me
      @Maddogg-hg5me Год назад +1

      @@gusmc01 Even waiting another 5 minutes likely wouldn't have made much of a difference in whether or not the KLM plane made it to its destination on time.
      Of course, I also read that both captains were getting radio signal interference while trying to communicate with ATC so it's entirely plausible to think that both of them misunderstood the messages that they were getting from ATC. Still, you would think that an experienced pilot would know better than to take off in low-visibility conditions knowing that another large plane the same size as the one that he's piloting is also scheduled to be taxiing down the runway without getting the all-clear from ATC.

    • @teresar6348
      @teresar6348 Год назад

      @@Maddogg-hg5me apparently ~60 seconds actually.

  • @ScoobsGaming
    @ScoobsGaming 3 года назад +3

    You sir are very good at these videos!

  • @EddieZ999
    @EddieZ999 3 года назад +6

    I dont know why, but I have been fascinated with this accident for years. For some reason it keeps playing out in my head over and over and over. I've been on hundreds of flights, but just recently I've noticed every time I get on a plane now I'm honestly scared shitless. The worst is when the plane does that big turn usually after takeoff and I'm just gazing out the window down at the ground and my stomach gets that churning feeling as I think about how we are all just crammed into a metal sardine can and if something goes wrong, that's it....We all die together in one of the most horrific ways I think possible. But, all the while I am calmly keeping my composure pretending I'm relaxed next to who ever I'm flying with.

    • @dexterpoindexter3583
      @dexterpoindexter3583 Год назад

      @EddieZ999 I'm 70 now. At age 25 I flew to India in a group of over 200, on Pan Am. It was August 1977, less than 5 months after the Tenerife tragedy. Hadn't heard about it... though in hindsight I bet many of my colleagues knew of it all too well.
      So what you're saying rings true.
      Whenever I get a really painful leg cramp, or my heart does something I notice, this healthy body can start to feel a little like your "sardine can"...

  • @MitchGrooms
    @MitchGrooms 3 года назад

    great job on this

  • @velvetnightmare3133
    @velvetnightmare3133 Год назад

    I haven't seen such a Short explanation of this event but you did a great job being succinct

  • @cadet8376
    @cadet8376 3 года назад +5

    Finally, a video that includes what happened to the KLM after they collided

  • @kellyblack1554
    @kellyblack1554 3 года назад +1

    Your videos are awesome, even better than Nat Geo or Discovery Air Crash Investigations etc. Keep making more pls

  • @samuelsmith266
    @samuelsmith266 3 года назад +2

    Loving the more consistent upload schedule. Amazing content every upload and I look forward to every single one!

  • @rnhtube
    @rnhtube 3 года назад +5

    I've also heard that the atc were watching a soccer game that held some sort of regional or national importance to them, and that there were other factors preventing the rescue of the passengers such as the only fire truck on the island not working and there being nowhere to care for that many injured.

    • @paulorocky
      @paulorocky 3 года назад

      It was just a friendly between.... Spain and the Netherlands

  • @eyesofstatic9641
    @eyesofstatic9641 3 года назад +5

    Hey! Great video! I liked the crew breakdown and airport depiction to give and idea of space.

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  3 года назад +1

      Thank you so much for your comment. I believe in providing visual depictions for these types of videos.

    • @eyesofstatic9641
      @eyesofstatic9641 3 года назад

      @@DisasterBreakdown Oh for sure, bro! I loved those along with the flight sim 3d animations of the incident.
      I'm a sub now!
      I'll even hit that little bell icon. lol

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  3 года назад +1

      @@eyesofstatic9641 Thanks so much, the next video is being worked on and will be out soon!

    • @eyesofstatic9641
      @eyesofstatic9641 3 года назад

      @@DisasterBreakdown I look forward to it!
      It'd be neat if you and the channel Mini Air Crash Investigation made a collaboration.

  • @jtveg
    @jtveg 3 года назад

    Thanks for sharing. 😉👌🏼

  • @peterleiza4351
    @peterleiza4351 3 года назад +6

    I remember this on the news. Pilot error kills 500+

  • @swarajacharekar4862
    @swarajacharekar4862 3 года назад +72

    The klm authorities were the real culprits with such harsh timing rules

    • @calzoneyyy
      @calzoneyyy 3 года назад +5

      FINALLY someone said this

    • @jfraserfisher
      @jfraserfisher 3 года назад +16

      Yes but that is to stop an accident from fatigue which has also caused accidents.

    • @SoulDevoured
      @SoulDevoured 3 года назад +8

      @@jfraserfisher they have to do it. But I can't help but wonder if they gave their pilots alot of shit for doing it.
      It wouldn't be the first job where someone rushes to avoid having to meet some regulations because management treats them like crap for it.

    • @GorgeDawes
      @GorgeDawes 3 года назад +5

      These weren’t KLM’s rules per se but state legal limits, they would have been breaking Dutch law by infringing them. Not that that in any way justifies rushing to beat the limits in the way that caused this accident, if you can’t meet the flight time limitations then you should not depart.

    • @iClone101
      @iClone101 3 года назад +5

      Strict pilot timing is a standard in the airline industry. It wasn't the time limit, but instead van Zanten's urgency to get the plane airborne. IMO the moral is to not have someone who pilots a plane to have logistical duties. van Zanten wanted to get off the ground because if he didn't, he would have to deal with all the extra stuff caused by the delay.

  • @TheYottaTube
    @TheYottaTube 3 года назад +10

    Good video, only the KLM livery that was used in this video, was already replaced by the newer one in reality on PH-BUF.

    • @DaWrecka
      @DaWrecka 7 месяцев назад

      The creator might've been using what was available in the software, rather than what was accurate.

  • @benjijames7808
    @benjijames7808 3 года назад +2

    I am a Dash-8 captain with QantasLink and your account is great I will share it with all my flight crews

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  3 года назад +1

      Thank you for your comment, always glad to hear from pilots.

  • @dangeiger9796
    @dangeiger9796 3 года назад

    I just found your channel. It looks intriguing so I’m gonna subscribe

  • @ThirteenPrimes
    @ThirteenPrimes 3 года назад +5

    I could be wrong but I remember a disaster after wich ATC was no longer to say "take-off" unless giving clearance. I always thought this was that disaster

    • @spongebubatz
      @spongebubatz 3 года назад +4

      It is, now Take off is only used when the pilot can really spool up his engines, for all other cases the term departure is used

  • @davidalexander7742
    @davidalexander7742 Год назад

    Thank you.

  • @ZeFleischwaffe
    @ZeFleischwaffe 3 года назад +14

    Basically it came down to money as always. Sad stuff

  • @zakumarmz
    @zakumarmz 3 года назад +7

    You def deserve more views and subs. Please keep making more!

  • @JuanCruz-ef5os
    @JuanCruz-ef5os 3 года назад +13

    THE KLM PILOT IS TO BLAME. PERIOD.

    • @franrbrown
      @franrbrown 3 года назад +3

      And there were also contributory factors too.

    • @TheZombifiedFairy
      @TheZombifiedFairy 3 года назад +1

      @@franrbrown and yet he's the main factor that made this happen

    • @cchris874
      @cchris874 3 года назад +2

      @@TheZombifiedFairy You know, I go out somewhat on a limb here. I personally think that the primary cause of the crash should be comprised of two things: Captain's failure; and the fact that the protocol being used by ATC was unacceptable, putting paying passengers into a situation that fell below basic standards of redundancy. Of those two, perhaps the KLM error was more fundamental, but the ATC practice was closer to a primary rather than contributory cause.

    • @cchris874
      @cchris874 3 года назад

      (I have been using 2 different accounts lately, Fran = cchris874)

    • @TheZombifiedFairy
      @TheZombifiedFairy 3 года назад +3

      @@cchris874 the problem is the airport wasn't built for large bodied aircraft, bur the airport that was was under attack. Keeping in mind this is a airport not built for the type of craft he's flying, the KLM pilot should have been double and triple checking to make sure all his ducks were in a row and that he was doing his utmost to keep those paying passengers and hus crew safe. He failed to do so. He was told MULTIPLE times that he did not have the clear yet and he went anyway. Can you imagine if the person in charge of safety at your job told you repeatedly to wait, your other coworker told you to wait, and you still did a task anyway, injuring yourself and the coworker? The safety person isn't at fault, nor is the coworker, both of whom told you to WAIT. It would solely be your fault for overriding direct commands. Could that airport use some improvements? Definitely, most can. But this one man's actions would be the primary catalyst for this disaster.

  • @arandomthing2489
    @arandomthing2489 3 года назад +1

    This is better than the air disasters coverage of this crash

  • @android1617
    @android1617 3 года назад

    Another quality video

  • @pankajkhatri5573
    @pankajkhatri5573 3 года назад +9

    What impatience can do.
    I learned a lesson.

    • @odeliamili7129
      @odeliamili7129 3 года назад +1

      It's because Dutch's authority strict regulation that also caused it.

    • @somehaloguy9372
      @somehaloguy9372 3 года назад

      What stress of being overworked on a strict schedule with the entire company seeing you as the most experienced and senior pilot and trying to maintain a good reputation can do

  • @firefly4f4
    @firefly4f4 4 месяца назад +1

    One thing that seems to be omitted, although it's minor, is the reason for the rapid weather changes on Tenerife. The island has Mt. Teide, an active volcano and the highest mountain in Spain. Air currents over any large mountain can cause environment changes, and it's proximity to the ocean just exacerbates these. In this case, it was low clouds, not fog

  • @justdecaffeinated
    @justdecaffeinated 2 года назад +3

    "standby for take off"
    "CLEAR FOR TAKE OFF YOU SAY?"

  • @gilbertfranklin1537
    @gilbertfranklin1537 3 года назад +14

    It is almost unreal that two of the finest machines ever built to fly so safely in the sky had a head-on collision on the ground. This should not have happenefd.

  • @aprilgates4937
    @aprilgates4937 3 года назад +3

    Because that’s not the complete dialogue. It was later acknowledged but ignored.
    The final result relates to poor miscommunication and non air verbiage from the tower.
    It is true that the Capt. did start take off, co-pilot stated that we haven’t been cleared, pilot says call them.
    Tower: okay.... standby for take off.
    While taking off, the crew of KLM cannot hear further radio installments (noisy in the cockpit). Although the co-pi did wonder if Pan Am cleared the runway yet. Pilot states,”oh yes”.
    Until he is able to see they haven’t, tried to take off but is to heavy.
    Bad series of events.

  • @CharlotteForbes
    @CharlotteForbes Год назад +1

    This is a great video outlining what lead to a most disastrous crash. I had viewed one video pointing almost all the blame towards the pilot, and another video making it all seem like compounding miscommunications. Of course, it's easier to be biased when one of the pilots is a chief pilot. I think that the chief pilot is still the main one to blame for everything. He chose to re-fuel his plane now rather than later, which backed everything up. If it had been a mad rush against time, this pilot would not have chosen to re-fuel just yet. So, I still think that his arrogance got in the way. As well, the head pilot ignored his colleague who was trying to clarify whether or not they had gotten clearance. It was another demonstration of his arrogance and unwillingness to listen to others. Please, everyone, no matter how experience you may be, always remain humble.

  • @pooryorick831
    @pooryorick831 11 месяцев назад +1

    There are so many "if onlys" in this mess. The biggest is if only KLM hadn't selfiahly refueled, trapping all other aircraft ready to depart behind them. Even if everything else were still unchanged, if the KLM hadn't taken the extra fuel, they might have been light enough to lift off sooner and clear the Pan Am.
    I found out about this accident when I went out early Monday morning to deliver newspapers. This was the whole front page that day. I will never forget that. I was 14 years old when this happened. It still haunts me all these years later.

  • @mauricedavis2160
    @mauricedavis2160 3 года назад

    Horrific, may all those souls R.I.P.!!! 🙏

  • @jackmonaghan8477
    @jackmonaghan8477 3 года назад +6

    Also, this disaster nearly got overtaken as the worst in aviation history when two Japan Air Lines planes (a 747 and a DC-10) nearly collided in mid-air. And of course there was another notable runway incursion not mentioned in the vid in the form of the 2001 Linate Airport disaster.

    • @frozenuruguayball6436
      @frozenuruguayball6436 Год назад +1

      If they did collide Japan air would hold both most deadliest single plane and most deadliest double plane crash at that point just shut down

    • @smwca123
      @smwca123 Год назад

      @@frozenuruguayball6436 Japan does hold that sad distinction: the August 12, 1985 crash of JAL 123 that killed 520, including Japanese singer Kyu Sakamoto, 43. That's the subject of a separate video on this channel.

  • @stoeipoes10
    @stoeipoes10 2 года назад +6

    Many facts quoted here are incorrect. Bragg confirmed clearly : " okay , we'll report when we're clear". Not just ok report runway clear.
    Second: the flight engineer , not the first officer was the one who heard this message and tried to confront the captain

  • @SlavaUkraini85
    @SlavaUkraini85 3 года назад +4

    shows you how important CRM is

    • @smwca123
      @smwca123 Год назад

      Which, according to another post here, Van Zanten was trying to steer KLM toward.

  • @mrkipling2201
    @mrkipling2201 3 года назад +26

    It was caused by one thing and one thing only and that was Van Zanten’s impatience.

    • @vulpesinculta1919
      @vulpesinculta1919 3 года назад +10

      Controller not having a clue didnt help either

    • @paulyoung7551
      @paulyoung7551 3 года назад +9

      That's grossly oversimplifying an otherwise complex disaster. I would say his impatience was the straw that broke the camel's back, but to say the disaster was completely his fault is putting an unfair aura of villainy on his shoulders. He didn't want to die. In his mind, possibly under heavy stress, he thought he was cleared for takeoff and so disregarded everything else around him that suggested otherwise (Confirmation Bias). I'm sure he wouldn't have sent his plane down the runway if he could see the Pan Am plane ahead of him.

    • @mrkipling2201
      @mrkipling2201 3 года назад +7

      @@paulyoung7551 simplifying things is sometimes the best thing to do. He bullied his crew into taking off before they had the proper clearance. I know there were a lot of contributing factors but the main reason was his impatience and maybe a bit of an inflated ego to say I’m more important than anyone else.

    • @ebonyloveivory
      @ebonyloveivory 3 года назад +8

      @@mrkipling2201 I agree with you. Sometimes all it takes is that one man's patience to change the course of things. Yes, many factors like terrorism, refueling, small airport, terrible weather, incomplete infrastructure, miscommunication etc. were all contributing factors but imagine had he been patient and waited a couple of minutes, this would not have happened.

    • @mrkipling2201
      @mrkipling2201 3 года назад +2

      @@ebonyloveivory many thanks for your comment.

  • @easy_eight2810
    @easy_eight2810 2 года назад +1

    I think you have used he wrong livery for the KLM Boeing 747-206B named "The Rhine", but overall it's a great breakdown

  • @Duzinfa
    @Duzinfa 3 года назад

    Very good video. If I may suggest, could you make a video about the Gol 1907 crash in Brazil?

  • @brovid-19
    @brovid-19 2 года назад +3

    When two airplanes fly right passed each other they call it a "near miss". BULL SHYT. THATS A NEAR _HIT!_ when two plans collide you could be like "aww, look.. they _nearly missed_ but not quite"

    • @spongebubatz
      @spongebubatz 2 года назад +2

      The word is near miss, if you like it or not

    • @dexterpoindexter3583
      @dexterpoindexter3583 Год назад +1

      @@spongebubatz I don't like it either.
      But... they call it life insurance, not death insurance. Is that marketing?
      Maybe saying "near miss" is marketing too...
      I won't forget @Brovid-19 's honesty. Thanks Bro

    • @IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad
      @IHaveAFatherButHesAbroad 9 месяцев назад

      I like your username, ​@@spongebubatz

  • @Queen-of-Swords
    @Queen-of-Swords 3 года назад +7

    I know this part of Tenerife very well, we love to go to the North of the island which is less crowded and not so full of British people! The weather at that end is very strange, being so near to the volcano. One minute it can be fine and sunny, the next it is foggy or spitting with rain. Infact quite often there is a layer of cloud which is deceptive. Being very warm you can go out swimming etc and you will still burn if you don't apply suncream. I have numerous photos of the Lago Martinez complex with people enjoying the warm weather under what appears to be a sky that looks like there will be a storm any minute. Its a much more Spanish feeling part of the island and I love this mysterious foggy weather as it doesn't in any way interfere with activities. But having an airport there wasn't the best idea. We have flown out of Los Rodeos once and all went well, but you say you are going out of that airport and people pull faces. These days Reine de Sofia is much more popular, although our transport to the North of the island is over an hour and quite pricey. Such a sad thing to happen on a beautiful island. RIP all those holiday makers who perished because of one man's impatience.

  • @twinstarzeonx
    @twinstarzeonx 3 года назад

    I love the way you put these into bite sized videos so I don’t have to watch whole episodes of Air Crash Investigation. Well done, brilliant commentary. One question, what is your accent? I can pick up Irish, and a bit of Scottish

    • @DisasterBreakdown
      @DisasterBreakdown  3 года назад +3

      Thanks. I'm actually from North East England. My accent is very strange to a lot of people I still don't even sound like I'm from there.

    • @twinstarzeonx
      @twinstarzeonx 3 года назад

      @@DisasterBreakdown Yes, I could pick up that too. You have a great voice and a perfect way of narrating such sensitive incidents. There’s a great sense of empathy whilst maintaining the facts. Keep up the good work and I’ll look forward to seeing and supporting more of your videos ❤️👍🏼

    • @twinstarzeonx
      @twinstarzeonx 3 года назад

      @@DisasterBreakdown I’m down in Warwickshire 👍🏼

    • @leonidas7196
      @leonidas7196 Год назад

      @@DisasterBreakdown wow, didn't occur to me in the slightest that you would be from England... was really struggling to place your accent. Only thing I knew was you were from somewhere up north due to the "at 5 in the evening", for us more southern folk, 5 is considered very much afternoon :D
      anyway i very much like your videos and keep up the good work!
      only thing i resent slightly in this one was you not mentioning the fact that KLM flight crew didn't hear the PanAm saying they were still on the runway or the ATC telling them to stand by since they said it at the same time, a crucial fact in this crash...
      but please keep up the good work and keep uploading!

  • @williamrarick9050
    @williamrarick9050 3 года назад +1

    Good video. One error however, the second officer questioned panam runway clearance not first officer.

  • @Utubin
    @Utubin 27 дней назад

    Wow,all those variables compiled together and made for this outcome.
    So sad.
    RIP

  • @funmaster3278
    @funmaster3278 3 года назад

    Good video