4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
You have missed one major contributing factor. The crew of the KLM 747 was almost at their maximum time usage for the flight. If they had not taken off then, the plane would have to have been deboarded and an entirely new crew flown in to take the aircraft off, thus causing huge delays to the passengers. Captain Veldhuyzen van Zanten acted essentially autonomously in deciding on NOT performing this action and was, thus, in an extreme hurry to leave quickly. If he had taken the, what many people believe, better, slower decision, the collision would never have happened. Many have also suggested that his “rush” to leave, clouded his judgment and, thus, he “heard what he wanted to hear” from the control tower in terms of take-off acknowledgment.
That is indeed absolutely right. The investigation report shows that he was the whole afternoon while sitting in Tenerife busy in bargaining how to manage it to finish the scheduld return flight from Gran Canaria to Amsterdam within the regular duty time. He was fixed on getting this done. His decision to fuel the plane on Tenerife in thought to speed up indeed delayed the flight even more after Gran Canaria Airport was reopened. The crucial point was obviously that there was still a possibility to manage the return flight in the regular duty time - but that he had to hurry up very much and that he had to use every minute to make it possible. Unfortunately.
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
I was 10-year-old lad when that happened. It left me a huge impact on me because I have been a 747 fan boy since my first-ever flight was with Lufthansa 747-200 in 1973.
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
There's a Dutch national memorial overlooking the airport. It has 583 "steps' remembering each victim. Worth a trip if stopping at the Port of Santa Cruz on your cruise ship. You'll gain a different perspective of this awful tragedy.
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
I lost my grandmother in this crash..she was on the Pan Am plane. It's taken me this long to be able to really research it and look at the footage/story.
One passenger on KLM survived, but in an odd way. KLM plane had several tourist quides and travel agents on board. One passenger was stationed at Tenerife, so she left the plane and never returned onboard, instead she remained on the island and asked her friends to bring her luggage. She never re-boarded the plane and survived the crash that way.
Es que ella vivía ahí, llegaría a las Palmas y tomaría un barco que la llevara a su casa en Tenerife. Ya que se presentó la situación, ella pensó que ya no tenía caso ir a las Palmas y regresar, decidió quedarse ahí. Sin imaginar que esa decisión salvó su vida
I believe in nowadays regulation, that would not be allowed. Once checks in, always check in. Once boards, always board. Otherwise, it would be a security matter.
@@andriadipura6393 It was not allowed back then either. She was denied her request to stay in Tenerife. However, she stayed anyway. Together with her friends she moved towards plane to fool ground personnel that she was about to board. But after getting outside she left to her home instead.
I just listened to Collision on Tenerife by Jon Ziomek. The book features first hand accounts from the few survivors of the crash. It was very moving. What a horrible tragedy, but we've learned from this, and air travel is much safer today because of this.
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
Robina van lanschot was the one klm survivor. She didnt re board as she had plans with her boyfriend who was waiting outside with a taxi. But i gotta hand it to the locals who helped.
I remember when this happened so clearly. I was ten years old and it is sharply embedded in my memory. Fortunately it is extremely unlikely to happen again due to new rules that came from this, cheaper and better radar which means most airports have coverage.
The moment they showed all the coffins lined up in Air Crash Investigation is a horrible sight and no one would want to see so many fatalities. This accident makes one doubt to even continue in aviation sometimes. Horrible
@@roshanantony7467 Well before Tenerife, respected U.S. aviation writer Robert Serling (Rod's brother) wrote that husbands and wives travelling together would be safer driving to the airport in separate cars, then taking the same plane.
@@smwca123 im assuming that in those days aviation safety was extremely lax, everything from hijacking to midair collisions was possible. Today we have advanced sec screenings and systems like TCAS which make it impossible for commercial airplanes to collide. You hear of car crashes everyday (atleast one in every country everyday) but when was the last time a passenger plane crashed? Looong back.
>no one would want to see so many fatalities. Except for people who think the world is overpopulated. I've seen quite a few articles where the author describes humanity as a "cancer" or "virus" on the planet. Some people hate humans.
I remember this when I was a kid. Probably a contributing factor in my soul crushing fear of flying. That and a song from the 60's called DOA. About a Plane crash and the last moments of the only survivor. I'm amazed that I actually have flown, several times.
The terrorist attack on the airport has drastic implications. That stretched out further than their expectations. This was truly a devasting crash. I can't imagine how the people were seeing the crash take place.
The grimmest irony is that, when KLM heard of the crash, they initially wanted van Zanten to investigate it - he was their main 747 pilot trainer, his face was in their promotional literature (including what was on this very plane, reputeldy). As it turned out, not only was he the pilot killed, it was (at least partly) his fault.
No it wasn’t the first delivered 747. The first delivered 747 was N733PA which was delivered in December 1969. Clipper Victor was delivered the following year. However Clipper Victor was the First 747 to operate a commercial flight as the other 747 planned had mechanical issues.
I have been watching this loads, not the video but documentries relating to the collision, my question is why didn't they divert the all aircraft to morocco or somewhere else, where it is a better condition than Los Rodeos.
Thinking now, what would the world be if there was never Tenerife Disaster, AF 4590 and 9/11? Aviation would be something entirely different, perhaps more dangerous or even more modern
We were on holiday when this happened, we were taken off Tenerife by ferry and taken to mainland Spain. I don’t know why, but we were kept in a hotel with armed police on the door. The ferry journey was horrendous and families were split up for some reason, the ferry was very overloaded, my grandfather was taken to a different part of the ferry than the women and children, I remember being really frightened.
I think of this as the klm should have known the taxing take off procedure. Why were they so sure that the runway was clear, should have made extra precaution to ensure the runway was clear. And i don't think the pan am could have prevented the accident from exiting at the third exit. They would have still been making that silly turn at the time of collision.
They weren't sure but because of other factors including reaching close to their maximum flight time, they were rushing. When people rush, they make critical mistakes. On the Controllers side, this was a small airport and they were already handling a technical "emergency" scenario with high stress as they were understaffed to control the number of large airplanes that were sent their way due to the terrorist attack, they had to get things done fast to get the planes back in the air, so I doubt anyone was thinking about the logistics of turning a huge airplane onto the number 3 taxiway.
Believe an airline pilot organization as part of their investigation actually flew a 747 to the airport following the crash and tried the Charlie (Third) exit from the runway. They determined it was almost impossible for a plane that size to have done it. Plus this would have taken the plane back to the apron where planes were still parked.
This incident happened like 20 years after the invention of the black box and was the first aircraft accident where the invention proved useful. Listening to the CVR, investigators learned that there was confusion between the pilots and air traffic controllers that led to the collision. And to think this happened because the airport the planes were originally bound for had to close due to a terrorist bomb detonating
Pilots can and will be distracted by all sorts of things. However, as professionals they are charged with protecting the safety of their passengers. This isn't just one of the priorities they must consider, it is the only priority! The KLM captain failed in his duty, and as much as the company tried to shift the blame, ultimately he was the reason this catastrophe came to the awful conclusion it did.
Don’t think Grubbs was in a hurry. He was nowhere close to exceeding his duty time and they were going to fly an empty plane to Paris after the stop in Grand Canaria.
Actually the klm plane decides to takeoff without clearance cause the copilot talking to the tower watcher for long and copilot was wasting time on captain so captain did a mistake like that he puts the full speed to take off and says "Were going" and immediately crashes on pan am and 583 people died 61 survived?!
Actually, the captain made a first attempt on the takeoff roll when the co-pilot told him they didn't have takeoff clearance and he stopped. Then the captain then told the co-pilot to get takeoff clearance, and while he was getting the clearance from the control tower, the captain started his roll again without waiting for the tower....
I read a comment from someone who met the captain after Tenerife. He said the captain wasn't in very good condition. My guess is that he went through PTSD. I believe from what I read from other comments, the captain never went back to flying.
A chain of events led to this terrible tragedy. If any one of them hadn’t happened, the tragedy would not have happened either. The klm pilot anxious to leave within his legal timeframe, over-riding the concerns of his first officer and flight engineer, was simply the last link in a chain which had many other earlier links.
after watching several videos about this crash ... I find that even the pilot was mainly at fault, but I think that ATC was not handling it well. In that foggy runway allowing planes to taxi and then take off is irresponsible.
A morbid thought. Apart from old battlefields, the Tenerife runway must be the most bloodiest piece of earth anywhere in the world. Have read most of all written about this tragedy. And only this fact keeps popping up. A bad day for aviation and for humanity.
What’s always struck me about this incident is that the crews were on the same frequency and could hear each others transmissions. The Pan Am crew were nervous, hence Bob Bragg’s call ‘We’re still taxiing down the runway!’ and Vic Grubb’s response of ‘Let’s get the fuck out of here’. Why one of them didn’t just get on the radio and yell, ‘We’re still on the runway, you stupid Dutch bastard!!’. Might not have been professional, but it would’ve got the message across.
Meant in a friendly spirit. But we are literally drowning in Tenerife crash videos. So to add yet another should at least be cause for putting in all the basics. In this case, there is no mention of the pressure on the captain to not violate his duty time, and the resulting pressure to get airborne quickly. There is also the fact he was not used to waiting for clearances as an instructor, which may have been a cause. BUT, thank you for not pushing the BIG EGO theory, which is recklessly thrown around in the discussion sections.
@Laika24102007 "Nice joke, but why did captain wait 20 minutes for a couple of missing passengers?" Please explain the significance of your question. And can you kindly answer respectfully rather than with your usual arrogant tone. Thank you.
The empty cabin at 0:48 has nothing to do with the narrative. The British Airways 747 shown at 1:00 has nothing to do with the narrative. The clown is just sitting at his keyboard pushing keys, choosing pretty pictures at random.
A little bit more than one year later - Franco died in November 1975, the crash happened in March 1977. In some documentaries it was shown that Spain was at this time just on its way to reestablish a democracy and that the Generals were still the real rulers of the Country. Indeed.
The only people to blame for the Tenerife accident are the terrorists. The US gave its support to a terrorist group with the intention of the Canary Islands separating from Spain. Said terrorist group, the MPAIAC, exploded a bomb at the Las Palmas airport, which was the destination for eight 747s. The 747s had only two options. One, the Tenerife Airport, which neither received them nor was prepared to receive them, or the second, which was the bottom of the sea. Thanks to the diversion of the 747s to Tenerife, thousands of lives were saved from the other six 747s. The tragedy could have been greater if the eight 747s had ended up at the bottom of the sea. The blame for the Tenerife tragedy was exclusively the terrorists and the nation that supported them.
@@NMY232 Jacob van Zanten (1927 - 1977) was at that time the Chief Pilot and even the Security Director of KLM. It is documented that the than-CEO of KLM started to search after him to make him joining the investigation team on behalf of KLM in this capacity - until he learned that it was exactly van Zanten who was involved in this catastrophe. The investigation report stated that this highest possible seniority was one contributing factor of the crash because the two other cockpit crew members avoided to speak up clear to him caused by their huge respect for his seniority. And his duties of being Chief Pilot and Security Director made van Zanten spent more time in the simulator and in the office than flying a plane - the crash flight was indeed his first real flight for three month.
@@NMY232 Irish and Ireland had indeed absolutely nothing to do with this desaster. Please don´t ask me why "President Oxford" has this idea. It is obviously - 💩 - wrong.
What a video to release on KLM's 102nd birthday
Such a horrific disaster should never be forgotten
Should never and must never be forgotten.
@@talesfromunderthemoon Indeed.
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
You have missed one major contributing factor. The crew of the KLM 747 was almost at their maximum time usage for the flight. If they had not taken off then, the plane would have to have been deboarded and an entirely new crew flown in to take the aircraft off, thus causing huge delays to the passengers. Captain Veldhuyzen van Zanten acted essentially autonomously in deciding on NOT performing this action and was, thus, in an extreme hurry to leave quickly. If he had taken the, what many people believe, better, slower decision, the collision would never have happened. Many have also suggested that his “rush” to leave, clouded his judgment and, thus, he “heard what he wanted to hear” from the control tower in terms of take-off acknowledgment.
That is indeed absolutely right. The investigation report shows that he was the whole afternoon while sitting in Tenerife busy in bargaining how to manage it to finish the scheduld return flight from Gran Canaria to Amsterdam within the regular duty time. He was fixed on getting this done. His decision to fuel the plane on Tenerife in thought to speed up indeed delayed the flight even more after Gran Canaria Airport was reopened. The crucial point was obviously that there was still a possibility to manage the return flight in the regular duty time - but that he had to hurry up very much and that he had to use every minute to make it possible. Unfortunately.
@@NicolaW72 In the end its cost him his own life and over 500 more. Sad
He had what is referred to in aviation as " Get Home Itis "
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
I was 10-year-old lad when that happened. It left me a huge impact on me because I have been a 747 fan boy since my first-ever flight was with Lufthansa 747-200 in 1973.
ok boomer
@@ramdas363why don’t you🔪🫷
He is gen x, not a boomer.
We’re you on the flight
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
There's a Dutch national memorial overlooking the airport. It has 583 "steps' remembering each victim. Worth a trip if stopping at the Port of Santa Cruz on your cruise ship. You'll gain a different perspective of this awful tragedy.
Yes, indeed.
No, I won't.
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
I lost my grandmother in this crash..she was on the Pan Am plane. It's taken me this long to be able to really research it and look at the footage/story.
@The Kauai family
Very very sorry for your loss.
That is no way for a family member to go. 😔
I am sorry for your loss.
One passenger on KLM survived, but in an odd way. KLM plane had several tourist quides and travel agents on board. One passenger was stationed at Tenerife, so she left the plane and never returned onboard, instead she remained on the island and asked her friends to bring her luggage. She never re-boarded the plane and survived the crash that way.
Yes.
Es que ella vivía ahí, llegaría a las Palmas y tomaría un barco que la llevara a su casa en Tenerife. Ya que se presentó la situación, ella pensó que ya no tenía caso ir a las Palmas y regresar, decidió quedarse ahí. Sin imaginar que esa decisión salvó su vida
I believe in nowadays regulation, that would not be allowed. Once checks in, always check in. Once boards, always board. Otherwise, it would be a security matter.
@@andriadipura6393 It was not allowed back then either. She was denied her request to stay in Tenerife. However, she stayed anyway. Together with her friends she moved towards plane to fool ground personnel that she was about to board. But after getting outside she left to her home instead.
I just listened to Collision on Tenerife by Jon Ziomek. The book features first hand accounts from the few survivors of the crash. It was very moving. What a horrible tragedy, but we've learned from this, and air travel is much safer today because of this.
I watch airports live videos on youtube all the time, and pilots always repeat back the instructions given by the tower. Now I know why...
Yes.
4:34The refueling of the aircraft was not the cause of the fatal accident, but the tower actually allowed two giant aircraft to move on the same runway at the same time in the thick fog, invisible to all three parties, creating room for the crew to make mistakes!
Robina van lanschot was the one klm survivor.
She didnt re board as she had plans with her boyfriend who was waiting outside with a taxi.
But i gotta hand it to the locals who helped.
I remember when this happened so clearly. I was ten years old and it is sharply embedded in my memory. Fortunately it is extremely unlikely to happen again due to new rules that came from this, cheaper and better radar which means most airports have coverage.
The moment they showed all the coffins lined up in Air Crash Investigation is a horrible sight and no one would want to see so many fatalities. This accident makes one doubt to even continue in aviation sometimes. Horrible
Statistically, planes are safer than cars today
Aviation has learned a lot from the past. The mistakes that led to this catastrophe would never happen today
@@roshanantony7467 Well before Tenerife, respected U.S. aviation writer Robert Serling (Rod's brother) wrote that husbands and wives travelling together would be safer driving to the airport in separate cars, then taking the same plane.
@@smwca123 im assuming that in those days aviation safety was extremely lax, everything from hijacking to midair collisions was possible. Today we have advanced sec screenings and systems like TCAS which make it impossible for commercial airplanes to collide. You hear of car crashes everyday (atleast one in every country everyday) but when was the last time a passenger plane crashed? Looong back.
>no one would want to see so many fatalities.
Except for people who think the world is overpopulated. I've seen quite a few articles where the author describes humanity as a "cancer" or "virus" on the planet. Some people hate humans.
Hope you guys do more of these videos
Nice video.
Please make more such videos
RIP to al the victims
I remember this when I was a kid. Probably a contributing factor in my soul crushing fear of flying.
That and a song from the 60's called DOA. About a Plane crash and the last moments of the only survivor.
I'm amazed that I actually have flown, several times.
This crash is one of the most important lessons in every airline pilots basic education!
This is one of my favorite aviation disaster stories and was actually waiting for you to do an episode about this!
Today, March 27, 2022, is the 45th anniversary of the Tenerife airport disaster. Still haunts me after seeing it on NBC news Sunday night.
I remember when this happened. The pictures were horrific from the scene.
This is actually a really complicated story; glad you made a video on it
It's really not.
@@ramdas363 there’s many layers to it and factors that caused this
@@ATIMELINEOFAVIATION Nothing "caused" it. It was just an accident that could have happened anywhere. Don't be a conspiracy theorist.
@@ramdas363 what…how… what does that have to do with conspiracy theories? It’s just a very unfortunate set of events
@@ATIMELINEOFAVIATION There were no events. Two planes just crashed into each other because of a mistake. What's so hard to understand?
The terrorist attack on the airport has drastic implications. That stretched out further than their expectations. This was truly a devasting crash. I can't imagine how the people were seeing the crash take place.
Such a meaningful video!
When the queen of the skies meet each. :(
The grimmest irony is that, when KLM heard of the crash, they initially wanted van Zanten to investigate it - he was their main 747 pilot trainer, his face was in their promotional literature (including what was on this very plane, reputeldy). As it turned out, not only was he the pilot killed, it was (at least partly) his fault.
Fun Fact: That 747 operating flight 1736 was the first delivered 747 in history.
Source?
@@juanmanuel3418 it was the first 747 to operate a commercial flight
@@spongebubatz I know its probable, I just want a site that says it
@@juanmanuel3418 It's on Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenerife_airport_disaster#Pan_Am_Flight_1736
No it wasn’t the first delivered 747. The first delivered 747 was N733PA which was delivered in December 1969. Clipper Victor was delivered the following year. However Clipper Victor was the First 747 to operate a commercial flight as the other 747 planned had mechanical issues.
I have been watching this loads, not the video but documentries relating to the collision, my question is why didn't they divert the all aircraft to morocco or somewhere else, where it is a better condition than Los Rodeos.
This is a very big tragic for Aviation
May those who perished this day in this terrible accident rest in peace.
Wasn't expecting rfs to get featured lol.
Lmao
@@EAGSAviationYT footage from RFS Air crash recreator who goes by the name Mystery Diggers
@@scarecrow108productions7 Yah 🙂
So tragic let's all pay respect for those who perished
It’s also interesting that the new Tenerife South airport was opened just a year later
Tenerife South was under construction when this desaster happened but just not finished.
Thinking now, what would the world be if there was never Tenerife Disaster, AF 4590 and 9/11?
Aviation would be something entirely different, perhaps more dangerous or even more modern
I imagine a different disaster would have happened that caused the same policy changes to happen.
El 9/11 fue un atentado, no accidente
@Maxon Nazareth
Or if Hitler had stuck to painting?
We were on holiday when this happened, we were taken off Tenerife by ferry and taken to mainland Spain. I don’t know why, but we were kept in a hotel with armed police on the door. The ferry journey was horrendous and families were split up for some reason, the ferry was very overloaded, my grandfather was taken to a different part of the ferry than the women and children, I remember being really frightened.
I remember this on the day it happened absolutely horrific and need never have happened!
yes it should never be forgotten
I love your VOX style editing and explanation
I think of this as the klm should have known the taxing take off procedure. Why were they so sure that the runway was clear, should have made extra precaution to ensure the runway was clear. And i don't think the pan am could have prevented the accident from exiting at the third exit. They would have still been making that silly turn at the time of collision.
They weren't sure but because of other factors including reaching close to their maximum flight time, they were rushing. When people rush, they make critical mistakes. On the Controllers side, this was a small airport and they were already handling a technical "emergency" scenario with high stress as they were understaffed to control the number of large airplanes that were sent their way due to the terrorist attack, they had to get things done fast to get the planes back in the air, so I doubt anyone was thinking about the logistics of turning a huge airplane onto the number 3 taxiway.
Believe an airline pilot organization as part of their investigation actually flew a 747 to the airport following the crash and tried the Charlie (Third) exit from the runway. They determined it was almost impossible for a plane that size to have done it. Plus this would have taken the plane back to the apron where planes were still parked.
Also i guess if the pan am did attempt the 3rd exit then they'd been further down the runway and the klm might have been able to make it over them.
@@tldacosta485 si puede haber sido difícil maniobrar para un avión enorme, en un aeropuerto diseñado para aviones más chicos
@@tldacosta485 PA1736 would have had to do 2 turns of about 135° each, one right after the other in a very short distance.
"One often meets his destiny on the airport he takes to avoid it"
This incident happened like 20 years after the invention of the black box and was the first aircraft accident where the invention proved useful. Listening to the CVR, investigators learned that there was confusion between the pilots and air traffic controllers that led to the collision. And to think this happened because the airport the planes were originally bound for had to close due to a terrorist bomb detonating
This is and was very sad.KLM AND PANAM IS AND WAS NEVER THE SAME.
CRS supposed to have been implemented but there have still been too many accidents related to pilot seniority still since
I am suprised that they use RFS for demo instead other Flight Sim in the world
I do remember sad day hope never hapenn again.
Pilots can and will be distracted by all sorts of things. However, as professionals they are charged with protecting the safety of their passengers. This isn't just one of the priorities they must consider, it is the only priority! The KLM captain failed in his duty, and as much as the company tried to shift the blame, ultimately he was the reason this catastrophe came to the awful conclusion it did.
Good morning Sirs, im my opinionthis accident had a lots of messages mistakes and noise communications, both were in a hurry with ears blocked!!!
Don’t think Grubbs was in a hurry. He was nowhere close to exceeding his duty time and they were going to fly an empty plane to Paris after the stop in Grand Canaria.
The only thing I knew wad that it was one of the worst aviation incidents. RIP the 562 people
583*
You were relly kind to KLM. Other historical recounts are a lot more blunt about who was/is responsible for the worst crash in aviation history...
Unlucky Pan Am. Terrorism finished them off with the Lockerbie bombing involving another 747.
Actually the klm plane decides to takeoff without clearance cause the copilot talking to the tower watcher for long and copilot was wasting time on captain so captain did a mistake like that he puts the full speed to take off and says "Were going" and immediately crashes on pan am and 583 people died 61 survived?!
Actually, the captain made a first attempt on the takeoff roll when the co-pilot told him they didn't have takeoff clearance and he stopped. Then the captain then told the co-pilot to get takeoff clearance, and while he was getting the clearance from the control tower, the captain started his roll again without waiting for the tower....
It’s interesting how pan am captain Victor Grubbs hadn’t been interviewed for past documentaries on the incident. But Robert Bragg did many interviews
So Robert bragged about being in the accident?
@@deeprules01 i hope you're joking
@@ciaranlee8314 I was
I read a comment from someone who met the captain after Tenerife. He said the captain wasn't in very good condition. My guess is that he went through PTSD. I believe from what I read from other comments, the captain never went back to flying.
@@ciaranlee8314 I think he was punning, actually.
Robert Bragg (was) bragging... 😖
Sad...
A chain of events led to this terrible tragedy. If any one of them hadn’t happened, the tragedy would not have happened either. The klm pilot anxious to leave within his legal timeframe, over-riding the concerns of his first officer and flight engineer, was simply the last link in a chain which had many other earlier links.
Can u do a video on all models and variants of boieng and Airbus pls its a request
after watching several videos about this crash ... I find that even the pilot was mainly at fault, but I think that ATC was not handling it well. In that foggy runway allowing planes to taxi and then take off is irresponsible.
Btw the KLM was named “The Rhine”
Yes.
Today marks 47 years since this tragic accident.
Big fan
A morbid thought. Apart from old battlefields, the Tenerife runway must be the most bloodiest piece of earth anywhere in the world.
Have read most of all written about this tragedy. And only this fact keeps popping up.
A bad day for aviation and for humanity.
911: Am I a joke to you?
@@terrenceklaverweide6356 my mistake, Sir. Let us call Tenerife an accident albeit preventable, not a terrorist attack.
What’s always struck me about this incident is that the crews were on the same frequency and could hear each others transmissions. The Pan Am crew were nervous, hence Bob Bragg’s call ‘We’re still taxiing down the runway!’ and Vic Grubb’s response of ‘Let’s get the fuck out of here’. Why one of them didn’t just get on the radio and yell, ‘We’re still on the runway, you stupid Dutch bastard!!’. Might not have been professional, but it would’ve got the message across.
Very strict implementation of English,coz ICAO requirement as Airmen you should be able to speak,write and understand ENGLISH.
Meant in a friendly spirit. But we are literally drowning in Tenerife crash videos. So to add yet another should at least be cause for putting in all the basics. In this case, there is no mention of the pressure on the captain to not violate his duty time, and the resulting pressure to get airborne quickly. There is also the fact he was not used to waiting for clearances as an instructor, which may have been a cause. BUT, thank you for not pushing the BIG EGO theory, which is recklessly thrown around in the discussion sections.
@Laika24102007
"Nice joke, but why did captain wait 20 minutes for a couple of missing passengers?"
Please explain the significance of your question. And can you kindly answer respectfully rather than with your usual arrogant tone. Thank you.
I think "accident" would be more appropriate than "incident" in that particular case...
1:23 “Gran where” ?! 😮
Did you change channel name?
No, they were named "Takeoff" for a short time but were named Long Haul for quite some time again now
Fun fact : The scenes were recorded in rfs real flight simulator
That's from my video
@@Naturesharmonynp oh, alr
nice voice
😭😭😭
RFS got featured 👀
That's my video
@@Naturesharmonynp wow nice!
Thank you
1 lady failed to re-aboard the klm so she was the only KLM surviver
They used RFS (real flight simulator)
True lol they could have used IF
@@aviationofnepal178 poor infinite flight
Yeah, footage from RFS Air crash recreator who goes by the name Mystery Diggers
That's my video
@@Naturesharmonynp they didn't even give you credits
Why you sound so happy about it bro?
It was 14 years before I was even born
I. was. studing in the the island of. ARUBA
Why do you pronounce Canaria so weird?
Wait is that RFS?
That's my video
@@Naturesharmonynp cool!
@@Naturesharmonynp it’s RFS though right?
@@ATIMELINEOFAVIATION yah
@@Naturesharmonynp cool
So everyone in that tower lost their job correct?
I came here after hearing that the KLM captain was a "douchebag"; after watching the video I think I agree with what I heard.
Was that simulator rfs😂
Yes
Why didn't they use IF it would have been better
@@aviationofnepal178 h
@@aviationofnepal178 infinite flight is bad
Yeah, footage from RFS Air crash recreator who goes by the name Mystery Diggers
Great pronunciation of Gran Canaria 😂
0:25 is that rfs lol
Yes, footage from RFS Air crash recreator who goes by the name Mystery Diggers
/we gaan/
KLLM
The empty cabin at 0:48 has nothing to do with the narrative.
The British Airways 747 shown at 1:00 has nothing to do with the narrative.
The clown is just sitting at his keyboard pushing keys, choosing pretty pictures at random.
Walter White brought me here
Same
PAM AM 1736
I know the that crash
Arrogance kills.
Human mistake is more deadly than terrorism attacks...
Oh wait I’ve just noticed this was only 2 years after the death of Francisco Franco! 🇪🇸
A little bit more than one year later - Franco died in November 1975, the crash happened in March 1977. In some documentaries it was shown that Spain was at this time just on its way to reestablish a democracy and that the Generals were still the real rulers of the Country. Indeed.
5th
If you were an american, i'd not comment on your bizzare pronounciation of Gran Canaria. But youre british so im calling it.
The only people to blame for the Tenerife accident are the terrorists. The US gave its support to a terrorist group with the intention of the Canary Islands separating from Spain. Said terrorist group, the MPAIAC, exploded a bomb at the Las Palmas airport, which was the destination for eight 747s. The 747s had only two options. One, the Tenerife Airport, which neither received them nor was prepared to receive them, or the second, which was the bottom of the sea. Thanks to the diversion of the 747s to Tenerife, thousands of lives were saved from the other six 747s. The tragedy could have been greater if the eight 747s had ended up at the bottom of the sea. The blame for the Tenerife tragedy was exclusively the terrorists and the nation that supported them.
If you look closer why this horrible crash happened and you don´t believe into the existence of a devil - you will start to believe in his existence.
Ring ring:
Is Captain van Zanten home, we need him to co…
He’s flying?
Where?
Ow…
What about 9/11?
Not an accident.
9/11 is a terrorist. Not an aviation accident.
Dutch captain an arrogant Irish 1/3
He was Dutch, what has Irish got to do with it?
@@NMY232 Jacob van Zanten (1927 - 1977) was at that time the Chief Pilot and even the Security Director of KLM. It is documented that the than-CEO of KLM started to search after him to make him joining the investigation team on behalf of KLM in this capacity - until he learned that it was exactly van Zanten who was involved in this catastrophe. The investigation report stated that this highest possible seniority was one contributing factor of the crash because the two other cockpit crew members avoided to speak up clear to him caused by their huge respect for his seniority. And his duties of being Chief Pilot and Security Director made van Zanten spent more time in the simulator and in the office than flying a plane - the crash flight was indeed his first real flight for three month.
@@NicolaW72 Right.. so how does that answer how "Irish" has got to do with anything? The pilot and the airline were Dutch..?
@@NMY232 Irish and Ireland had indeed absolutely nothing to do with this desaster. Please don´t ask me why "President Oxford" has this idea. It is obviously - 💩 - wrong.
@@NicolaW72 Ah right, ok, it's just you replied to me ;) No worries
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