Range Extender battery in bed goes really well with PowerShare utility and 120V and 240V AC outlets. Sure hope that Model Y Juniper has 48V architecture and good AC outlets like Cybertruck.
Now that I have the truck, driven it on a couple long road trips, towed my boat with it, I can tell you I won’t be getting the extender. I don’t need it.
Finally someone talks about it. Both the range for the truck and the range extension both suck on range. Tesla needs to redesign the truck battery management system.
If they improve the density( or just use the extra space that breakdowns has shown exists) with the new cells, they will just place them as part of the battery pack and offer higher range models in future iterations. This makes the extender only viable for early adopters and people who purposely order a lower range option with plans to extend later. As such a niche item, it makes the adapter DOA. They may still make it, but with all the other issue you stated, it will not make mass appeal.
Bottom line is that Tesla hasn't implemented chemistry improvements on 4680 per Battery Day so all EV pickup ranges will suck (especially when towing) until better batteries. Dry Electrode is mostly just for lowering manufacturing costs.
The killer app for the range extender is backcountry operations, especially in very cold weather. This is something I'm very interested in for a business venture where having the Cybertruck's off-road capability plus large battery to run a mobile base camp for electric-powered devices is very compelling, but with the huge caveat that if you are in a remote area to start with, in the middle of winter, you're going to be lucky to find a Level 2 charger in a heated garage that will let you charge at all. And then on top of that, you're heading into potentially battery-eating terrain with reduced efficiency due to the temperature, and you want to keep a bunch of humans and machines warm and powered up for an extended period. The range extender is going to reduce the need for a gas generator or other ICE-based solution in this scenario, with very few drawbacks the Cybertruck doesn't already have.
My Rivian R1T (dual motor max pack) with it's 410 miles of EPA range has so far turned out to be the best compromise between price, range and efficiency. I bought the truck under the “old” pricing and also got the full $7500 tax credit so my net price was about $72K plus tax, etc. Pulling a small trailer (2600 lbs) I get about 200-250 miles of range depending on conditions. The Cybertruck doesn't have the range unless you pay the extra $16K and the Chevy has the range but is terribly inefficient.
It was never advertised as removable. The price is pretty good if you consider it 3-4 power walls you are adding to your home PowerShare network. Pays for itself. But tis is really only for people that just tow. The dry electrode is all about price not density. I think they need the dry cathode process to make the range extender financially viable.
It would be nice if Tesla could put the range extender in the structural battery pack to avoid taking up bed space. Sandy Munro did a tear down of the truck, and I heard that the structural pack was only half full.
Silverado might be best for towing for EV available today hmm anyone testing it - impressive that they hope to go from 10k to 20k lbs towing with updates🤯
You don’t even necessarily need to go 470 miles in one go. Leave at 100%, drive for 3-4 hours at 75mph only gets you 225-300. Pull in at 53-36%. Charge for a regular 15-20 minute stop get another 100 miles. Repeat until you’re doing regular ev charging from the bottom of pack or are done driving for the day. I know for me driving 4 hours straight doesn’t really happen. 3 is a decent trip in one go and that leave a lot of room left on the battery. You might drive 10 hours a before you see under a 20% SOC.
Pretty much how all EVs are driving now. That's how I road trip, but can attest sometimes I wanna just go as long as possible, stop for a meal and then go again as far as I can
No way! Firstly ,1/3 of C-T 123kw battery pack is empty... I do not why ⁉️ Secondly, no way expending huge amount for plus 100mi ⁉️This is my opinion. The efficiency/battery performance is at case. TSL must solve this, like other minor issues of course. 😎💪
If I had $120k pluse for a vehicle, I'd buy a Mercedes ICE. Wouldn't have to worry about fit and finish or anything else. Wouldn't have a long-term gigantic huge repair bill 10 or 15 years down the road.
Seems best to sit back and wait. The Silverado truck is coming out . Ford's Lightning truck's sales are growing . Tesla is so distracted and off course right now that any announcement made...add a year to it. I'm sure the CT's price will drop and features continue to improve..just like with every other model....but it's going to take more time. Meanwhile I'll continue enjoying our model 3.
Not sure if you've seen that last month the Cyber Truck out sold the f150 and Rivian.... not to mention they have the world's best selling car too. 🤷♂️
Ya anyplace other than taking up space in the bed. Maybe as batteries progress the old battery can be replaced with a more energy dense in the same space.
::My uneducated opinion:: i think the range extender was introduced because tesla was floundering with the 4680 and they wanted to hedge their bets incase they abandon it. Ive seen recent revelations that the 4680 has made a big leap forward and i think the extender will be scrapped. The extender never made sense. Especially when sandy exposed that theres still space in the battery for more cells. Adding silicone laced 4680, and filling the pack might get you to that 400+.
the range extender is just dumb overall. I doubt it's going to happen and highly doubt they ever really planned to do it. they'll probably say there just wasn't enough demand and are canceling it. it was a marketing ploy to try to temper disappointment because the range of the CT is so much lower when they produced it than they had been advertising.
It's all about cost. Gm are going to loose money anyway so the silveado will be overloaded with cells to get a ridiculous range. Clearly the cybertruck at the moment is costing too much to build. The munroe teardown shows its not close to optimised yet. To stand any chance of reaching profitability Tesla have reduced battery size and range to reduce cost until enough of it can be redesigned and optimised to reduce costs and until dry battery cathode brings 4680 costs down. In addition the founders edition $20k price hike. Again to reduce loss and get close to profitability. The range extender may just be a bluff to appease. Consider this Once the 4680's are solved. Anyone wanting the range extender still is instead offered a replacement pack with the true cyber dry cells that actually gives the originally promised 500 mile range for just $10,000 more 😮😮
Can someone please explain to me why Tesla is offering this when the Doug Munro found the cyber truck vehicle battery pack only half filled with cells? It’s literally at half cell capacity and they’re adding more battery’s to the bed of vehicle??? Doesn’t make sense to me.
It's all about cost. Gm are going to loose money anyway so the silveado will be overloaded with cells to get a ridiculous range. Clearly the cybertruck at the moment is costing too much to build. The munroe teardown shows its not close to optimised yet. To stand any chance of reaching profitability Tesla have reduced battery size and range to reduce cost until enough of it can be redesigned and optimised to reduce costs and until dry battery cathode brings 4680 costs down. In addition the founders edition $20k price hike. Again to reduce loss and get close to profitability. The range extender may just be a bluff to appease. Consider this Once the 4680's are solved. Anyone wanting the range extender still is instead offered a replacement pack with the true cyber dry cells that actually gives the originally promised 500 mile range for just $10,000 more 😮😮
If you get the range extender so you can tow a trailer, you just load stuff in the trailer instead of the bed. The battery fits under the tent, so overlanders are still good. The delay is a bummer but no big deal here.
silverado has it, 450 is the right range for people that tow and that don’t want to deal with paying 4x times more for charging at fast chargers and not home
@@TailosiveEV only problem with your comment is the 1000 a month is more than the zero range extenders Tesla is making today, why are you making ridiculous comments.
Nobody is towing 450 miles a day, 365 days a year...or even once per week every week of the year, so charging at home most days, with a range of over 300 miles is all that most people need. Occasional Supercharging for the CT is still cheaper than buying gas every week for an ICE truck. Most towing of utility trailers, small campers, boats, motorcycles, ATVs, and PWC are done regionally near home. People aren't towing those small trailers cross country all day, every day. The CT is also perfect for Police Departments, Fire Departments, fleet service, delivery services, lawn care services, tradespeople and anyone working near home, which is what most people do most of the time. For extra heavy and large RVs, toy haulers and heavy equipment and towing long distances, people choose heavy duty diesel trucks. The CT is shorter in both length and height than a midsized Toyota Tacoma Double Cab pickup. The CT is a bit wider and a lot heavier.
i saw that advertised 2-3 years ago and no production, wonder how much longer it’ll be, if they actually achieve 1000 mile range i’ll be impressed, especially for under 50k
@@wingless747 I’ve got a 400 mile reservation. Good things worthwhile take time. The long wait period further incentivises me to save more money to afford it
Tesla has made their boat thinking 300 miles of range is enough, and for S3XY, that has been true. But this is supposed to be a truck. If they had gone with 400 miles of range, then offered a range extender to 525, I dont think people would have complained as much. Im not sure what i can use a 300 mile truck for, and I cant lose 1/3 od the bed to get their, I have to have store material in their. Its pretty clear they never intended this to be a work truck, and they vastly misjudged what people who are looking to by a truck are looking for.
Best selling EV truck right now. That's when it's $100K Ford and Rivian sold trucks with much lower range, you'd be surprised how many don't need crazy range
It's easy to sell 20k trucks when you have a 2M order backlog. Let's wait till the orders have normalized before comparing. They will still probably sell everything they make for a year or two, but I think the line of people willing to pay 80k or 100k for a truck that came up 200 miles short on range is much shorter than they realize.
Most work trucks are used regionally near where the pickup truck owner lives. Do people who work, make their money by spending all day on the road driving? No, they don't. People who work, make money by working all day, not by towing all day. Anyone who owns a truck and uses it for any trade knows this. Trucks are used mostly near home, where people live. For this, the CyberTruck is all most people need in a truck. People who tow large RVs cross country will continue to purchase heavy duty diesel trucks.
$16,000!?!?? geez
Range Extender battery in bed goes really well with PowerShare utility and 120V and 240V AC outlets. Sure hope that Model Y Juniper has 48V architecture and good AC outlets like Cybertruck.
Now that I have the truck, driven it on a couple long road trips, towed my boat with it, I can tell you I won’t be getting the extender. I don’t need it.
Watch tesla provide an ota update to increase cybtertrucks range. As funny as it would be. It would prove to be a total game changer.
Finally someone talks about it. Both the range for the truck and the range extension both suck on range. Tesla needs to redesign the truck battery management system.
Need gooseneck attachment
It was always expected the extended range battery wouldn’t be easily removed.
??? Not by me....
If they improve the density( or just use the extra space that breakdowns has shown exists) with the new cells, they will just place them as part of the battery pack and offer higher range models in future iterations. This makes the extender only viable for early adopters and people who purposely order a lower range option with plans to extend later. As such a niche item, it makes the adapter DOA. They may still make it, but with all the other issue you stated, it will not make mass appeal.
Even if you could remove the battery… it will weigh atleast 500 pounds. Unless you have a forklift at home. This makes no sense..
Seems like it fits in the dead space for a [somewhat shallow] toolbox. It will work great for many people.
Bottom line is that Tesla hasn't implemented chemistry improvements on 4680 per Battery Day so all EV pickup ranges will suck (especially when towing) until better batteries. Dry Electrode is mostly just for lowering manufacturing costs.
Agreed
Spot on, most of Tesla fan doesn't know what they are talking about.
The killer app for the range extender is backcountry operations, especially in very cold weather. This is something I'm very interested in for a business venture where having the Cybertruck's off-road capability plus large battery to run a mobile base camp for electric-powered devices is very compelling, but with the huge caveat that if you are in a remote area to start with, in the middle of winter, you're going to be lucky to find a Level 2 charger in a heated garage that will let you charge at all. And then on top of that, you're heading into potentially battery-eating terrain with reduced efficiency due to the temperature, and you want to keep a bunch of humans and machines warm and powered up for an extended period. The range extender is going to reduce the need for a gas generator or other ICE-based solution in this scenario, with very few drawbacks the Cybertruck doesn't already have.
My Rivian R1T (dual motor max pack) with it's 410 miles of EPA range has so far turned out to be the best compromise between price, range and efficiency. I bought the truck under the “old” pricing and also got the full $7500 tax credit so my net price was about $72K plus tax, etc. Pulling a small trailer (2600 lbs) I get about 200-250 miles of range depending on conditions. The Cybertruck doesn't have the range unless you pay the extra $16K and the Chevy has the range but is terribly inefficient.
Great choice!
It was never advertised as removable. The price is pretty good if you consider it 3-4 power walls you are adding to your home PowerShare network. Pays for itself. But tis is really only for people that just tow. The dry electrode is all about price not density. I think they need the dry cathode process to make the range extender financially viable.
Range extender is 90% for rich client with range anxiety. Range issue can be solved with more available DC chargers.
If the next 4680 cuts cost by 50%, they can double the battery pack size which is way easier
I don't think that's how that works
It would be nice if Tesla could put the range extender in the structural battery pack to avoid taking up bed space. Sandy Munro did a tear down of the truck, and I heard that the structural pack was only half full.
Silverado might be best for towing for EV available today hmm anyone testing it - impressive that they hope to go from 10k to 20k lbs towing with updates🤯
You don’t even necessarily need to go 470 miles in one go.
Leave at 100%, drive for 3-4 hours at 75mph only gets you 225-300. Pull in at 53-36%. Charge for a regular 15-20 minute stop get another 100 miles. Repeat until you’re doing regular ev charging from the bottom of pack or are done driving for the day. I know for me driving 4 hours straight doesn’t really happen. 3 is a decent trip in one go and that leave a lot of room left on the battery. You might drive 10 hours a before you see under a 20% SOC.
Pretty much how all EVs are driving now. That's how I road trip, but can attest sometimes I wanna just go as long as possible, stop for a meal and then go again as far as I can
No way! Firstly ,1/3 of C-T 123kw battery pack is empty... I do not why ⁉️ Secondly, no way expending huge amount for plus 100mi ⁉️This is my opinion. The efficiency/battery performance is at case. TSL must solve this, like other minor issues of course. 😎💪
Lucid gravity supports Nacs and CCS on launch. It has two high voltage charge ports. One in the front and one in the back.
Lucid head of communications said that’s just on a few prototypes. The production model will just have 1 port
2 main applications are offgrid work/life and power shortages.
If I had $120k pluse for a vehicle, I'd buy a Mercedes ICE. Wouldn't have to worry about fit and finish or anything else. Wouldn't have a long-term gigantic huge repair bill 10 or 15 years down the road.
Biggest rip off to their customers by Tesla. DO NOT BUY
Chevy Silverado RST EV is 440 miles of range, with some RUclipsrs getting 460miles at highway speeds.
And that’s why they build them in such low numbers
Don’t forget the Ram 1500 REV 👍
Ram has
Not going to be a thing. Expect Tesla will release a 500 mile version of the Cybertruck. Offer a $500 discount.
The Silverado EV would compete in range with the range extended version of cybertruck.
Seems best to sit back and wait. The Silverado truck is coming out . Ford's Lightning truck's sales are growing . Tesla is so distracted and off course right now that any announcement made...add a year to it. I'm sure the CT's price will drop and features continue to improve..just like with every other model....but it's going to take more time. Meanwhile I'll continue enjoying our model 3.
Bad news Silverado ev Base Model (WT trim) STARTS at $74k. You also can't get a 2 door, crew cab only at least currently
Not sure if you've seen that last month the Cyber Truck out sold the f150 and Rivian.... not to mention they have the world's best selling car too. 🤷♂️
Tesla removing the $60k Cybertruck from its site is a bigger story. Cybertruck starting price is now $93k. Oof!!!
Not really sad news, this happens all the time. "Two weeks"- Elon Musk
Silverado EV 4WT has a 450 mile range.
Just can’t get one
Cybertruck Sting FTW…
If I’m losing space I would rather lose the frunk
You don't want to stuff a bunch of batteries in the front for safety reasons
@@TailosiveEV Do you think it would be possible for Tesla to put the range extender in the structural battery pack to avoid taking up bed space?
Ya anyplace other than taking up space in the bed. Maybe as batteries progress the old battery can be replaced with a more energy dense in the same space.
::My uneducated opinion:: i think the range extender was introduced because tesla was floundering with the 4680 and they wanted to hedge their bets incase they abandon it. Ive seen recent revelations that the 4680 has made a big leap forward and i think the extender will be scrapped. The extender never made sense. Especially when sandy exposed that theres still space in the battery for more cells. Adding silicone laced 4680, and filling the pack might get you to that 400+.
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the range extender is just dumb overall. I doubt it's going to happen and highly doubt they ever really planned to do it. they'll probably say there just wasn't enough demand and are canceling it. it was a marketing ploy to try to temper disappointment because the range of the CT is so much lower when they produced it than they had been advertising.
It's all about cost.
Gm are going to loose money anyway so the silveado will be overloaded with cells to get a ridiculous range.
Clearly the cybertruck at the moment is costing too much to build. The munroe teardown shows its not close to optimised yet. To stand any chance of reaching profitability Tesla have reduced battery size and range to reduce cost until enough of it can be redesigned and optimised to reduce costs and until dry battery cathode brings 4680 costs down. In addition the founders edition $20k price hike. Again to reduce loss and get close to profitability.
The range extender may just be a bluff to appease.
Consider this
Once the 4680's are solved. Anyone wanting the range extender still is instead offered a replacement pack with the true cyber dry cells that actually gives the originally promised 500 mile range for just $10,000 more 😮😮
Can someone please explain to me why Tesla is offering this when the Doug Munro found the cyber truck vehicle battery pack only half filled with cells? It’s literally at half cell capacity and they’re adding more battery’s to the bed of vehicle??? Doesn’t make sense to me.
It's all about cost.
Gm are going to loose money anyway so the silveado will be overloaded with cells to get a ridiculous range.
Clearly the cybertruck at the moment is costing too much to build. The munroe teardown shows its not close to optimised yet. To stand any chance of reaching profitability Tesla have reduced battery size and range to reduce cost until enough of it can be redesigned and optimised to reduce costs and until dry battery cathode brings 4680 costs down. In addition the founders edition $20k price hike. Again to reduce loss and get close to profitability.
The range extender may just be a bluff to appease.
Consider this
Once the 4680's are solved. Anyone wanting the range extender still is instead offered a replacement pack with the true cyber dry cells that actually gives the originally promised 500 mile range for just $10,000 more 😮😮
Yeah no, silverado EV is probably your best bet for long distance towing and travel in general. Its charging curve is crazy compared to the cybertruck
If you get the range extender so you can tow a trailer, you just load stuff in the trailer instead of the bed.
The battery fits under the tent, so overlanders are still good.
The delay is a bummer but no big deal here.
That tent sucks tho tbh
Unless you need to put 1000 pounds of material in the bed because your "trailer" is a 9000 pound boom lift.
I bet it ends up "airpowered"
Hopefully Tesla can get close to that range with high silicon anodes made possible by the DBE process
Rivian is shipping a battery extender.
I thought it was gonna be roof mounted? how about a little battery trailer?
No Thank YOU
For now, if you tow long distances, stick with combustion or maybe go for the ramcharger
Still not enough known about the RAMcharger. I'm guessing it'll be expensive
Again the stated 470 miles of range will not be at highway speeds
So...could someone connect 6 of these badboys together on a trailer or under a camper or something?
Sad...
silverado has it, 450 is the right range for people that tow and that don’t want to deal with paying 4x times more for charging at fast chargers and not home
Only problem is they build less than a thousand a month
@@TailosiveEV only problem with your comment is the 1000 a month is more than the zero range extenders Tesla is making today, why are you making ridiculous comments.
Nobody is towing 450 miles a day, 365 days a year...or even once per week every week of the year, so charging at home most days, with a range of over 300 miles is all that most people need.
Occasional Supercharging for the CT is still cheaper than buying gas every week for an ICE truck.
Most towing of utility trailers, small campers, boats, motorcycles, ATVs, and PWC are done regionally near home. People aren't towing those small trailers cross country all day, every day.
The CT is also perfect for Police Departments, Fire Departments, fleet service, delivery services, lawn care services, tradespeople and anyone working near home, which is what most people do most of the time.
For extra heavy and large RVs, toy haulers and heavy equipment and towing long distances, people choose heavy duty diesel trucks.
The CT is shorter in both length and height than a midsized Toyota Tacoma Double Cab pickup. The CT is a bit wider and a lot heavier.
Delayed two weeks?
Just when I think Tesla/Elon is not half bad....Then this! hahahaah
Woww...these bots are quickkk to comment
Military requirement.
A lotta money! Throw a portable gas charger in the back. Done!
Just go Aptera lol
i saw that advertised 2-3 years ago and no production, wonder how much longer it’ll be, if they actually achieve 1000 mile range i’ll be impressed, especially for under 50k
@@wingless747 I’ve got a 400 mile reservation. Good things worthwhile take time. The long wait period further incentivises me to save more money to afford it
I really wish Tesla just made a generic EV truck like the Silverado EV. This thing is just not cutting it.
Never coming out
Tesla has made their boat thinking 300 miles of range is enough, and for S3XY, that has been true.
But this is supposed to be a truck. If they had gone with 400 miles of range, then offered a range extender to 525, I dont think people would have complained as much.
Im not sure what i can use a 300 mile truck for, and I cant lose 1/3 od the bed to get their, I have to have store material in their.
Its pretty clear they never intended this to be a work truck, and they vastly misjudged what people who are looking to by a truck are looking for.
Best selling EV truck right now. That's when it's $100K
Ford and Rivian sold trucks with much lower range, you'd be surprised how many don't need crazy range
It's easy to sell 20k trucks when you have a 2M order backlog.
Let's wait till the orders have normalized before comparing.
They will still probably sell everything they make for a year or two, but I think the line of people willing to pay 80k or 100k for a truck that came up 200 miles short on range is much shorter than they realize.
Most work trucks are used regionally near where the pickup truck owner lives.
Do people who work, make their money by spending all day on the road driving? No, they don't.
People who work, make money by working all day, not by towing all day.
Anyone who owns a truck and uses it for any trade knows this. Trucks are used mostly near home, where people live.
For this, the CyberTruck is all most people need in a truck.
People who tow large RVs cross country will continue to purchase heavy duty diesel trucks.
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