OOPS! CORVETTE C7 Z06 Losing It on the Nürburgring!
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Disclaimer: the actions performed in this video are executed by professionals or individuals that consider themselves professional on a closed circuit within the local regulations.
00:00 Intro/Specs
02:42 Lap
11:35 Thoughts 
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Hi folks.
1. Heat issues were due to non working intercooler pumps. Changing a faulty fuse solved the problem. TIKT cooling kit now workes perfekt.
2. Like the C55 it doesn´t like to shift when in rev-limiter. As said in vid, shifting at 6000rpm is sweetspot
3. Maybe the stability control was on. I cannot see the off sign in vid, maybe its just not on camera
After this vid I did 120 more laps with it without any problems (until someone rammed me). TIKT package is definitely worth the money (and reason why I bought this car).
Last but not least: Nürburgring Streckensicherung found the license plate and handed it to me 1hr later.
So great, that you bring these rad cars to track and also giving it to Misha to show viewers how these can perform. 🎉
Great car man. I'm a chevy guy too. Z06 is the dream :-)
Found you. I still like your turn signal, could have worked - without the lack of a few Horsepower. :-)
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Thankyou for sharing your beautiful machine with us
Beautiful car, glad you got the problems addressed and the car still performs well.
Sorry I'm not experienced on track but what do you mean someone rammed you? Is the corvette and yourself okay?
We've seen this owner before. He's quite relaxed, seems like a real car guy!
Yes, the C55 AMG Wagon!
I thought h looked familiar!
2 sweet cars, the wagon is my favorite though, can't go wrong with a wagon!
I would like to see the
owner to drive with misha passenger
Super awesome guy, i had the pleasure to meet him at the hotel when he brought his Merc for the previous drive.
I hope he is well
@@volvo09the Volvo guy saying he loves wagons. Sorry bro but your comment really had me laughing. However I’m definitely with you on the topic of Estate(wagons)cars, hands down the coolest cars as a daily!! No to Lambos and Furry Harris, an M3 Estate,a 63amg e-class Mercedes there’s no competition
After the inspection with TIKT, they suspected the intercooling system wasn´t working properly (secondary cooling pump failure)
Overheated intake air -> ECU gives extra fuel to cool with fuel -> unburned fuel in exhaust -> burning fuel in exhaust, which melted the plate away.
Apparently a relatively common issue among C7 Z06. We were pretty lucky that the car did not catch fire.
The speed you were driving was probably keeping it from going hotter and not catching on fire, glad it's been solved though, was wondering why it seemed so lively at the beginning, then it fell off. Great video none the less, that Porsche ring taxi wasn't happy having you on him the whole lap even with a fault on the car 😅 look forward to the next video 👍
@@s2e130no way that Porsche was going flat out all the way it had a nervous passenger
I knew it from beginning, got same problems back a year now with my e55 amg
@@AI-Records24 I never said it was going flat out all the way round, I said he wasn't happy having Misha on him, there's a difference between what you thought I said and what I actually wrote. Besides which I agree the Porsche prob had a bad passenger, would of been a good race between the Porsche and the corvette 💯 have a nice day 👋
The C7z plague.
The auto c7 Z06 had an issue with heat on track. The manual had extra cooling so not an issue. I had a m7 c7 z06 and loved that car
all stock z06's aren't up to get beaten on a track with stock cooling, unfortunately
But yeah, manual is way better, at least trans stays ok
@@maximborodyuk3773 They added an additional engine heat exchanger which helped in the manual from 2017 and on. Not on the earlier ones. Should have stated that. Couldn’t be added to the auto as that was the position where the trans cooler was located. For heavy track duty they could benefit with more cooling though for sure
@@jimhimes3506 yeah I think noone who tracks this car does it on a stock cooling system. Something like +120 lbs of cooling should be taken into account.
I decided to go with GS instead, plus you could squeeze 100 hp more from it not so hard and without all that weight and heat problems.
yes and they also changed the trans fluid on the 19s with helped with issue@@jimhimes3506
@jimhimes3506 heat exchanger is only for supercharger, make no same
The early Z06s also had general heat soaking issues. They corrected it by adding more cooling and better venting for those coolers. And for everyone saying that the transmission is shifting slow, they've always been like that. Quick upshifts, but very very slow, sloppy downshifts. GM figured most people would only care about the speed of upshifts
I find Camaros seem to suffer with heat soak on hot starts when headers are done, im gonna put some more grounding in mine and heatshield on starter before i take it to Misha
Yea since Chevy don't do there own testing probably 😂😅😂
It can't even do half a lap on the nurburg ring 🤦♂️ no wonder the owners sued
The upshifts seemed like shit too
@@cocacola3269They actually do VERY extensive testing in all climates with dozens of test mules over the course of several years and covering millions of miles.
Wow... would love to see him drive a LFA around the Nurburgring
YES
Yeaahhhh is 350 😅
Oh yeah ❣️👍🏼
I dont think any mad boy offered this beauty :/
that transmission seemed to be shifting super slow
This is literally the reason I came to the commente
That’s why you get manual
Need ZF transmission…
That’s an issue
Agreed he need a trans oil change or something cause when he was driving he was clicking multiples times and Mischa knows what he is doing. Just needs to be serviced with better trans oil.
Just leave the transmission on Auto next time and put it in Track mode - Race mode , and you will enjoy the transmission much much more than in Manual-mode. The transmission is awesome in auto and track-mode, but in manual it is a bit crap If you don´t shift in exact right time.
Interesting. There's nothing worse than a manual mode that does not listen to you.
absolutely correct !!!
plus get good quality coolers for the auto, Engine oil, intercoolers, diff oil coolers as well and better quality auto built is the way to go, especially if your going to track the car and anyway with set thermoset built into the oil coolers they only open up once the oil temps reach a setting you pick. so when your driving around on a average day, the thermostat will only open when the oils reach a set temp)
So for a track day have the thermostat set at the best operating temps for the various oils used in the Auto, engine, Diff etc, plus with a fan operational to auto start when the oils reach more than a set rate as well. for extra safety for the engine oil, auto, Diff etc. cheers 🦘🦘👌👌✌✌👍👍
For people who don t know, a C7 Z06 does 7 min 13 full lap so only 4 seconds slower than a GT4RS.
The transmission is fast for a single clutch. The problem is when it is in semi auto with paddle shifters. Best is to leave it on full auto.
This car is a beast and underrrated. Love mine!
As a former owner of 2019 Z06 I agree 100%. The auto trans programming for the track is actually outstanding when just left in auto mode.
"oh look the check engine light is on!" - proceeds to hammer the car some more lol
Easy to do when it’s not your own car…
That s why I ll never my car to someone like Misha with all due respect. Respecting the mechanical parts of a car and its engine, is crucial to enjoy it several years. Misha is there for a couple laps around the Nur so he does not care. C7 Z06 are known to overheat on track usage unless they are customized with extra cooling system. When I saw the temperature gauge, I was like...hmmmm those pistons are suffering!
Hes Russian they dont give a shit about anything.
Unfortunate that you drove an auto vert. If you wanna drive a manual 2019 coupe lmk. Also the owner should've had you put the cluster in track mode. You can see all tire data+all temps.
he definitly needs to have that transmission built. its so tired lol
thats just how they are in C7 Z06, If you get a C7 corvette it should be in manual, you honestly shouldn't ever get them in auto unless you're just cruising around town, they arn't good transmissions
The autos were like that new , they were programmed badly
Pretty sure it was in limp mode by then. The automatic transmissions and the engines were both known to overheat under track use.
I think there's trans tunes available that would help but definitely cooling and a fresh build would be best anyways.
Yes, I had a 2019 auto Z06 and that doesn't even sound like the same transmission or car to me, that transmission was shot. Nothing like my car was. Thing was a complete monster and would just rip through the gears compared to that car. This video does the car no justice at all. Paddle shifters are worthless on the track, really just use them for dropping a gear on the street. The programming on the auto is really outstanding for the track once you get some seat time in it and just let it do its job. Not the best transmission out there but its a lot better than most on here are giving it credit for.
These superchargers are a bit overdriven for the stock cooler and so they will go into limp mode after 7-10 min of track use. A small intercooler upgrade will typically fix the issue.
The Z06 sound is fabulous
Seriously need to run a ZL1 1LE!!! Same power train as z06 but way better suspension and track set up!
I like how the supercharger note is exactly 1 octave above the engine, giving off a V12 like sound impression.
That’s awesome that you were able to overcome to heat soak issues on such a long hot lap. Car magazines here in the US encountered that problem while trying to hot lap it at I think Big Willow or Laganda Saga (?) race track in Cali
Love ur work misha.. Keep us entertained brother with ur mad skill
I met this guy when I was there in June. He was asking me about Corvettes given that I was an American. I told him they had overheating issues. He really wanted something other than a Porsche or BMW. The Apex instructor also told him to stick to BMW or Porsche.
He was a super nice guy. I hope he gets the car sorted and enjoys it!
Sound advice from the Apex instructor, American sports cars are useless for anything other than going in a straight line with their 1940's pushrod V8's and dinosaur suspension technology.
@@superbrit3845 That simply isn't true any more, this Corvette handled extremely well.
@@ferrumignis that was never true.
Especially funny to hear "dinosaur suspension techonology" from a german fanatic, considering it took germans 5 decades to put non-crappy front-end in 911. Corvette had it from the 60s, lol
@@superbrit3845 pushrod v8's are so bad, still somehow german brands was whining all over le-mans to ban them cause "it's cheating and too effective".
German shitting on everything non-german, what a surprise.
@@ferrumignis no shit dude, this is not stock suspension. u cant compare it to how they are when u buy them new. its like me putting track suspension and tires on a nissan qashqai and saying OH but the qashqai has GREAT handling! simply no. just this one example with this setup handles well
amazing car but should have bought manual. doesn't have the cooling issue, and as far as i can tell, the car was just treating the flappy paddles as a suggestion to change gear rather than a gear change
Having been in a Ringtaxi, the 'vette keeping up with it is pretty amazing!
Evogen supplement shirt right on! Hany used to train Phil Heath (just trained at Armbrust where Phil trained yesterday)... and I bought a C8 just a couple weeks ago!
I think it’s from hi temps . I have the same motor in my ZL1 Camero ,but my Camaro has all the problems fixed by adding like 10 or 12 radiators from coolant oil rear differential etc. I did add 1.7 liters of cooling fluid to what came factory for cooling the supercharger. If I can get it to Germany I’ll bring it to you
The 10L80E / 10L90E are just so so much better than that 8L90E. Crazy how slow that 8 speed shifts up and down.
GM lets the trans slip in everything they make for "comfort" Old guys are the main buyers of vetts
thats some of the best driving ive ever seen. im also impressed with a c7z06.
Another great one Misha.
Pretty sure there was also a well known overheating problem with this gen of Z06...?
It's great having the camera facing the rear! Fabulous car! Fabulous gentleman owning the car!
That’s a 2015 or a 2016…THE WORST YEARS the supercharger lid ito small and the cooling bricks in the supercharger are far to small. That 1.7 liter supercharger is the same as my ZL1 and they get HOT WAY TO FAST! Corvette had to much of a restriction of air in the front which was solved in the ZL1…Misha should’ve left it in auto 😅 transmission was shifting bad because he was on the redline to long. Good video!!
You would absolutely love a 7m hart top with a proper setup. The vert did not do bad at all.
Hello, i Like u vids alot, but wasnt the oil temp a Little low on the start. I think 50C is low for full Throttle or am i wrong?
It is 🙄
the relatively undersized supercharger on the c7 z06 has created heat issues on track and high HP applications since it came out
Case in point of why I sold my C7 Z51, I thought I was going to keep that car forever, but the 8 speed auto was a big letdown.
@mgcharoudin, the Pilot Super Sport also did a good job last september during my birthday ride.
They're maybe not that bad on the dry ;)
BTW, I refreshed my suspension with an Eibach B12 kit, I'll re-visit the green hell during next spring days :)
The reason why it shifts so weird is because its hitting the rev limiter. I have a bmw m5 f90, and does the same thing when too late to shift. Other than that , the zf shifts very good.
Flashing check engine most likely due to detonation and the computer reached the end of how much timing it can pull. Then of course it will go into a reduced power “limp” mode which is seen about halfway through the lap.
Excessive detonation from high intake air temp which of course is from ineffective charge coolers. Can also happen if you don’t use 100 octane fuel for track use.
I couldn't believe how good these c7 z06s are until I rode in my instructors on the track. Continental extreme contact tires in 35-40 degrees F° and that things hooked. I was pinned against the console and the door numerous times...he was pushing it probably 80% and I never once felt like it was going to lose control.
I had such a different experience than what all these reviewers say, especially the original top gear lol. They make the corvette seem like it's the most insane car and you must have a death wish if you want to drive it. Maybe if you're a pro pushing it 100% it's harder to drive than a porsche or mid engine car, yes, but for the average enthusiast no it's extremely composed.
Glad to see you had a good experience like I did for once.
Adrian‘s shots still are next level!
Please drive the Corvette c5 ZO6 !!! That would be interesting !
I owned one and smoke on the Highway a Porsche 911 992 Carrera 4S !
Just drive it you will love it !
Hopefully a C8 Z06 will be a much better experience with the transmission and cooling. I'd say it might even have more cooling than the Z06 or ZR1 with an NA engine, so it shouldn't have issues there. The auto transmission is also significantly better at shifting, pre C8 corvettes for track use should be manuals, especially the C7's prone to more cooling issues with the autos.
The great thing about a pro driver like Misha is thwt he won t over extend to chase someone like a Porsche, that's his safe driving within the limits
That’s because the Porsche is just faster.
@@fcman123 Porsche is simply better, regardless of what year it is, Porsche will always be the king of the ring, you can't compare it to the old ones or the new corvettes.
@@fcman123 performance price, it is very banal, taking into account everything that includes having a porsche, you forget that the quality of construction material, the technology that is in them, is extremely superior to any corvette, therein lies the price difference, and obviously it is a porsche, you are not going to buy the best at a discount price, a simple gt3 with a small NA engine, 510hp will give a ride to the best corvette of the moment, gt3 rs, gt4 rs, cayenne turbos, being a sub It is even faster around than this corvette, not to mention the gt2rs which is light years away on a track from a covertte, come on man, I understand that you like cervettes, but you can't put them in the same category as a porsche, just no.
@@fcman123 For just triple the price you can buy a Porsche that's 4x as nice to drive, 10x more reliable and durable, and 20x as NOT-a-GM-pos. I'd say it's worth it. Oh and a 911 wasn't triple the price. In fact a 911 GT3 at the time was cheaper in Europe than a ZO6.
@@fcman123 You're objectively wrong. And the "price performance" perspective is an argument used by inferior car companies because they can't build cars good enough to justify selling them for a higher price. Fact is that everything about a Corvette other than performance is BAD, and the performance is just good at best. Everything about a Porsche is EXCELLENT. EVERYTHING. From the way it handles, so the way it stops, the way the brake pedal feels, the seating position, to the way the windscreen wipers work, to the way the buttons for opening windows feel, etc. That's what makes a good car, it's good in every single aspect down to the smallest detail, and some people don't have the intellectual capacity to appreciate that, so instead of looking at a car in a deep and detailed manner, they look at it in a very superficial way and boil the whole extremely complex machine down to one or two properties, while ignoring thousands of others. Such people think they can compare GM crap to a Porsche.
So why continue pushing and pushing the car if it isn’t running properly?
He loves to do that, every time car overheats, he pushes more, don’t know the reason, but..💁
@@MrElpajita yeah … destroying the owners car. 🤣
I have one of these cars myself. It does take a little to register up shifts but it´s not normal that it limps, or doesn’t shift at all.should up shift very quickly
There’s nothing I’m more excited for than for you to get your hands on a broken in c8 z07. Rip it to infinity and beyond for us. Be safe Misha! Thank you for all your content.
This car needed actually better introduction. This ist not a stock c7 z06 by any means. It is a custom tune from TIKT for approx €40.000 ! With race cooling for €20.000. Bilstein race suspension with unibal joints. It should be a track tool and not having cooling issues! In theory, the practice we just saw… But explainable if the intercooler pump failed. What should not be are too hot exhausts from the safety enrichment. Either GM did not do a proper job here, or the car is tuned and the safety functions do not work properly.
The earlier C7 Corvette's had a known problem for overheating when they were pushed too hard . But I'm pretty sure that they fixed that by the end of the run .
You should see if you could do a lap in the C7 Grand Sport, it hasn't got all the overheating issues as the Z06 and the 7 speed manual is way better than the autos
7 speed shift slower. Explain, 'better', please.
@@user-xw4hn7lb3xmaybe "better" because it apparently as he mentioned in the comment it doesn't have the overheating issue. I think that is a significant Plus even if it shifts slower
@@user-xw4hn7lb3xIDK how much slower it would be, based on what we just saw there
@@user-xw4hn7lb3x Better as in it actually works under track conditions and doesn't overheat?
@@aab350z Lol. The engines overheat, not the trans.
Sorry for asking: Is the Oil prob warm? Bec in the video it seemed like it was at 40° C
Damn dude, the car is clearly down on power but you keep it in high rpms anyway, these owners need to be more assertive and tell you to take it down a notch so their car isn’t ruined
yep
@@gnosism it’s kinda on misha too, for still somewhat pushing a car that’s clearly having engine difficulties but at the end of the day the owners need to be like “hey, ease up on the rpm for a bit”
for sure. its not a race, its someone's investment being used for profit. it should be treated correctly and the owner wasnt any wiser to it apparently.@@whiteunclerukus
@@gnosism exactly
There is a recall for the C7Z for heat soaking.
The intercooler bricks are not up to task in these for long stints.. The IAT's were prob thru the roof.. Car was closing throttle to save itself..
Needs better coolent and also radiator needs to be upgraded as , ECU was stopping you from blowing up the engine
don't the slits on the brake rotors go the other direction so it flicks the dust out, not in towards the centre? that's how all the ones I have fitted said for installation 🤔
c7 zo6 are notorious for over heated the intake and supercharger system and causing limp modes on track days. the ZL1 1le seems to not suffer from this issue with the same engine but was released a few years later. 1 good reason I built mine as the non supercharged version, much less heat and no limp modes
Brilliant misha 👌
Shame about the malfunction
Keeping up with a well driven Porsche is always impressive
And it was certainly well driven( for the first half anyway )
Lovely car ,nice guy 👍
Brother in law had a c4 years ago never been in a modern corvette. Looked like a fun lap. Gearbox needs some attention i think
I’ve driven a C7 auto. You have to press the paddles like a full second before you want to shift, otherwise you’ll hit the limiter
scary brake noise! and it´s missin about 150hp LoL gearbox only by appointment. clutch like superbikes sliding disks, seems so smooth
As a Callaway Corvette fan, this is entertaining
Oeoole talking about yhe gearbox beinf tires , i dont think so, thats pretty normal behavior, the automatic in these are best without using the paddles (which are very delayed).
What year is this car? If it's 2015 or older then it doesn't have the factory cooling improvements. I think 2016 and newer had the improved cooling. It does have the larger grille openings so I would imagine it has the improved cooling but I don't know...
Nice, I want to see you take the C8 Z06(Z07) around the track!!!!!!
Been waiting for this video for a while
0:17 look at the cracks in those discs - yikes... replace immediately - must have been super hot.
It’s normal… most of the steel disc get them when properly used. If they’re longer and deeper then it’s time to change the ring.
the z07 package helps alot with braking and handling
What was the opening music? It's perfect for my garage wrench turning sessions.
Limp mode... Still faster than a 1000hp GTR
My c7 stingray hits the limiter before the tach gets there too! The tach has some lagg i guess and mine is a manual!
La introducción quedo de show con la musica,👍
I started grinning at , " Told you ".
“Yeah the check engine light is flashing” proceeds to floor it and take it right up to redline 😂😂😂
I would love to see you testing a cupra formentor
I’ve got a c8 z06 I’d be willing to ship over from the USA but it will take a month or most likely two to get there.
That Taxi Porsche was on fire. Fast car fast driver for sure. Nice video 👍
Loved seeing what a Vette can do. Usually they aren't in the heads if those who will get their money's worth.
we NEED to see the 2019 Corvette ZR1 or a newer ZL1 1le those are made for the track.
Still Waiting for Misha's 60fps videos😢
Won't happen in the nearby future. Cameras overheat, record less detail and too heavy on size/editing.
with so much movement 60 fps make a world of difference but cameras struggle enough already with heat@@mgcharoudin
You should have not been soo brutal on me in just 12 year old kid 😔
I remember crying about this as well, he used to post in 60fps, but i still think 1080p60 is better than 4k30 because its driving POV channel, double the frame rate makes it look much more realistic and engaging. I dont understand how no company is making high end action camera, there is only "cheap" gopro that is utter trash and no company is stepping up to the fairly easy task of making a better action camera than gopro.
@@zerooneonetwothree1872 I don't really understand why they are so bad. I had an old hero 5 and then a couple years ago bought a 10 black. It wasn't really much better interms of useability. Also most modern high end smartphones running android or iOS take as good or better video than a go pro. There are a couple new entries from DJI and insta360 hopefully they are good.
That TCU needs reprogramming like yesterday. The delay between pressing shift pedals and actual shift was over 1 second.
Wonder if you prefer the american mustangs or the corvettes more driving them on the track?
Is that a Miata with the fastback top??? Love itttt.
This is the reason why paddle shift cars age so badly. If this was a manual, it wouldnt have something 'missing' in the drivetrain. I always wonder how outstanding an Aventador would be with a gated shifter and not that laggy upshift no matter what you do to it.
Out of all the cars you driven where would you rank the C7 Z06 around the track?
amazing corvette amazing driver!!!
👌
One of the best looking cabs of modern "muscle cars" with the "aero kit", or what ever is it called, I can't remember.
They started thrashing this thing before it was even up to operating temperature. The engine was still warming up for the first minute!
Finally, I can see a car like mine in your hands. I hope we are going to have better conditions on the track next time and after some laps, you will fly. FOR NOW.... PLEASE, SUBSCRIBERS, LET'S FIND A C8 Z06 WITH THE Z07 PACKAGE FOR HIM.
Oil temp seemed a bit low at the beginning. I guess around 90c would have been better.
always remember flashing check engine light means damage to engine is most likely happening. if its just on its whatever. I've been a automotive tech for 22yrs. not very many thing can cause a flashing check engine.
Do you prefer this over the C6 you drove earlier?
I love the looks of C4 & C6 ;D
Prefers the Porsche that got away ahead.
C6 felt more raw and more emotional. But loved them both!
YEAH, that's what I expected ...C6 onboard looks so exciting!!!
Pure automotive joy ;] @@mgcharoudin
He needs drive the C6 ZR1 the best corvette imo
@@mgcharoudin Have you driven a C5 yet?
All the fractures / cracks in the brake discs 😬
you blew the dam plates off!! haha
That limping was heat soak. Normal for that car on the track. From the look of it that’s a 2015 ZO6, before Chevy updated the car with an intercooler. The owner obviously has no idea of the in’s and out’s of the C7 ZO6.
Something to do with the traction/stability control and if you listen and watch the tach he is losing traction preventing him from the upshift.
No he was hitting the rev limiters. And the trans was dropping pressure between shifts. And the trans was having heating issues. Because of the pressure drops between shifts. It was developing more heat due to slippage between shifts from pressure drop.😊
Misha can you try the new c8 z06 and see how that performs at the ring. You can try mine but I'm in TX
Well, you know what you have to do now… Put that thing on a plane and go visit The Ring and Apex. ;)
Before you give to Misha, please go to Mantley shop to set a proper camber and other things🤗
The 7 speed would of been way better on track. Love LT4 and LT5 motors
And the car didn't even have Cup2 tires and Z07 package (CC brakes and etc.). Although somebody told the owner that there's not much difference between PS and PS Cup2 tires - they LIED :)
Oil 130c prob built in limp mode to keep engine safe.
Would love to see you do a lap or two in the Grand Sport.
That gearbox is definitely tired! Takes ages to shift up
Something wrong with the transmission , maybe a new oil and filter will give it firmness
You must’ve carefully in applying power by getting the car aligned properly or the reared will come around on you!