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yes, but also for another reason...Chozen uses the drum more linearly, while Daniel is more circular, so Daniel's drum goes out of the fire line while striking
Being a musician and understanding tempo and timing has made martial arts irl, in film, and in fighting games so much easier to understand for me. The drum technique made it all click.
Negative, Chosen is not using the technique, he was never taught it. You can see from his stance before he begins his attack, he is just forward punching while Danny has him trapped in the drum technique, sorry he is NOT using it like Danny.
@Right To Censor Exactly. To Miayagi and Daniel, the drumming was a signal and reminder. To everyone else, the drums were an encouragement & support (a ganbatte 頑張って）to Daniel that was done following from Miayagi's action. Chozen, unfortunately, got confused and felt more shamed as he saw everyone rallying behind Daniel. It was as simple as that.
The Drum Technique. That one is the most realistic to me.. It just not like in the movie that Daniel Hit Chozen several times. Ive done it myself and its effective...Hitting Chozen like 10 times consecutive is just an exaggeration in the movie for dramatic purposes.
I'm no martial artist, but it seems like the kata Daniel did was kind of like hitting the reset button. Okay, we took a beating. Too bad. That was two minutes ago. This is now.
Remember there's a scene in KK 3 when Daniel was training with Silver. Daniel threw a lead kick to the pad Silver is holding followed with an argressive Drum Technique!
Daniel blocked then followed through with a strike and kept repeating that technique in the final scene. Due to the immense speed & power via flexibility attained via the technique Chozen was unable to counter against Daniel's counter-attacks. This is the very BEST ending final match ending to the entire karate kid series. Such a pity that the camera angle didn't allow us to see the chain counters in their awe.
I did goju-ryu for a little while. The dojo I was at didn't have drums; but they definitely did teach to block and strike at the same time just like that. Our sensei told us to picture the drum in the movie. The point is to move your body first, like you also said. Your hands follow. I changed a lot of my main game because of this move. Goju was really fun for me. I started in shotokan in point-fighting and I don't have anything against it; but I realized that emphasizing slow movement, like they do, doesn't teach you to fight better. I was in it to learn to defend myself. Shoto was fun, but I like goju more. I like Shito Ryu even more. Anyone that comes from another karate to shito is going to love it. I think all of the styles have a lot of good things going for them. Just that if you want to not lose fights; shito knows it a little better. For example, the guy that runs the shoto school (and hundreds of others) I went to hasn't been in many real-life fights. He kicked ass in tournaments, though. Completely different worlds
@@glorycartagena3355 I'm just pointing out 30 years later he is still a hero for the same accolade. Just seems like an oversight on the creation of the story. I realize Cobra Kai was banned but even other sports recognize players no longer allowed to participate. Otherwise I think the show and movies are American masterpieces and the first movie should have received more awards. To this day I watch it and find the lessons of life to apply in some way.
@Meena Ramakrishnan Not the point. Champions can lose and still hold titles. I just saw it as a plot hole. Especially if No one other then the 2 of them won 2 years in a row.
@Meena Ramakrishnan like I said it's a Plot Hole. Also Johnny went 4 times lost the first in the final, won 2 times in a row, and lost to LaRusso in the 4th. LaRusso won 2. I know it's fiction but Rocky (another movie of the same lines) people often forget Apollo Creed won.
The whole thing with the villagers taking out their drums in support of Daniel...I'm sure Chozen knew that display was for Daniel's sake, which probably further enraged him. His "honor" was at stake, and the villagers tacitly supporting this "gaijin" just made him go completely apeshit and blindly attack. Chozen was clearly the better student with a lifetime of training as opposed to Daniel's 8 months, but all that rage unraveled everything.
Great explanation about those three techniques from the Karate Kid movies and how they relate to real karate. One comment about the crane kick: The Karate Kid came out in 1984 a few months after I earned my shodan in Tang Soo Do. After watching the movie, I remember talking about it with my master. I told him I liked the movie, except for the crane kick which I thought was BS. My master was always quick to criticize other teachers and their techniques, but he told me he knew a competitor who successfully used it. This guy was known for being able to fight by standing or jumping on one leg and kicking with the other, almost to the exclusion of other kicks and hand techniques. But as my master pointed out, this guy was also a professional ballet instructor and dancer. He was used to standing on one leg for long periods of time while kicking or stepping with the other. Anyway, great video!
This was a great explination of the different finishing moves for each film; I remember when I was very young (i think 7 but not much older) and being at the internationals. I unfortunately tried the crane kick during a sparring match, in front of EVERYONE; i think the entire place collectively looked away and went 'we don't know who this child belongs to'.
Can we talk about that right leg sweep followed by the left round kick Johnny does at :08 seconds. I have always been impressed with that particular combination. The mechanics of those two moves put together are beyond advanced! I mean it doesn’t even look like Johnny puts his right foot down before that left foot connects with Dannyboys melon!!! My favorite kick combination in the entire KK series!
Hi! I just found this video great job and thank you so much for the shoutout! I love how you describe Kata as a "Document written in movement instead of words". That is the PERFECT way to look at it. Great job on this video and fantastic research!
13:38 when kata is mentioned, which literally means "form", suddenly my mind went to remember kamado tanjiro instead. Mizu no Kokyuu - Ichi no Kata: Minamo Giri !!!
I took both Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido for four years and holy hell did we do a lot of Kata. We had a specific Kata we had to memorize for each belt, and during our testing to advance to the next belt we essentially had to perform this kata flawlessly. The next belt wasn't simply just handed over, you had to earn it by earning stripes on your current belt over a period of several months and had to undergo a test of sorts in order to "pass", or earn your next colored belt. You can most definitely fail the test and have to restart from the very beginning of your current belt if you fail the test. If I remember right, I failed exactly once during my training but passed all other attempts. You basically had to earn what they called "credits" on a scorecard for each successful karate session you'd attend, and I believe you had to earn 60 or so in order to qualify to be tested to earn your next belt. I can't remember what you had to do to acquire your stripes on each belt, it's been a good 25 years or so since I took Karate.
The drum technique is also a off balancing move aiming at the opponents chin with the hip maximizing your second swing. Chozen's brain gets scrambled with most of his weight already committed to his own punch, only to get scrambled again in the opposite direction, the little island lacked the terrain to dodge back as well. So his inner ear is going crazy and if he tumbled, he'd drown.
Love the illustration on the Kata as well as the crane kick. Martial arts is s great art that truly trains on to have balance in all spheres of life. I'm so inspired . Thank you for this amazing illustration
I love doing Seyunchin, it is a beautiful kata, but I also love it when I get that hip to rotate and the belt to whip a circle . Or perhaps I love the memory of it, since I am older, slower and stiffer.
Very cool episode. I have to add the caveat is when one has injuries or age, the kata is a compromise. It's pure brute force. Leaving the rhythm to help overcome injuries and age similar to what you mentioned
Well, Robert Kamen just revealed an interesting detail about how he created the Drum Technique on Reunited Apart. Apparently it was shown to him by Karate Master Chokei Kishaba as the "secret of all Karate". Kamen didn't go into detail on how the technique works so I still think my analysis is correct. However, I would like to know exactly what Kishaba taught. ruclips.net/video/OYwPHqKvdJM/видео.html
The secret is that there is no secret. A drum technique doesn't exist. What does exist is a principle of movement. In karate you should always move like the drum. It's essentially the marriage of chinkuchi and gamaku and not that different from what is called Fa jin in chinese martial arts.
I read that one of the consultants for karate kid was a famous Shito ryu practitioner Fumio Demura. Demura taught an interpretation of kata where the postures were used as jumping off points. So a block might apply as a block, but then your counterstrike combo is your own imagination but based on your body position as shown in the kata. Looking at it that way, the technique Daniel uses in KK3 makes sense. If the hi-lo block position from the kata is seen as a trap (obvious opening), then one might visualise themselves catching the obvious attack that you are inviting, then throwing the opponent. Daniel centred himself with the kata movement, then laid the trap he'd visualised in over the years of kata training, returning to the source, internal reflection and control of balance and rhythm.
Something else I saw in another video on the "Drum Technique", that ties in with the Rhythm aspect you brought up. Is momentum, as the rhythm increases, so does Daniel's speed and strikes. He also has the what they call in Basketball the "Sixth Man" or the backup from the audience. He has all their support and Chozen knows it. As the rhythm and momentum of their drums increases, so too does Daniel's own rhythm and momentum.
Vidal needs to make an appearance in Cobra Kai. Doesn't have to be anything big, maybe we see him having a drink with Johnny and Daniel reminiscing about past matches, or maybe he helps them out.
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The drum technique is Tsuki Uke in part, who means block with strike, you punch under or above, depend of the high, of the attack from the opponent. If the opponent throw a Tsuki to the body with the left hand, you do a Tsuki with the right hand under the punch of the opponent.
One thing I noticed in some fight scenes in Cobra Kai is that there were so many modified/modern moves that didn't made much impact like what were shown in this video.
@@ninthkaikan1544 Are you allowed to taunt your opponent in a Karate match? I'm not that familiar with Karate, but I do Kendo, and in Kendo "taunting" (with the exception of Kiai/Kakegoe) would get you a penalty point (Hansoku) or even disqualified. It's not good sportsmanship.
@@dermaniac5205 Sport Karate matches have some rules many would call stupid but I believe there is no rule against it in your average karate tournament. Maybe people will see it as bad sportsmanship but I don’t believe you get penalty points.
@12:34 I love The Karate Kid films and I think your video history is great, although this point in the video doesn't actually see Chozen attack Daniel. It's nice to know what the film makers were potentially going for but I've always seen this scene as Daniel flaying his arms around and Chozen swivelling back and forth as opposed to Daniel's one hand for blocking Chozen's strikes and the other for attacking 'Chozen cause if that is happening it isn't in frame. It would have been far better if they had spent more time on the choreography here and panned further back.
If you look closely you can see Chozen attacking in some shots but they did obscure it. Maybe because Ralph wasn't performing it well. Maybe because they didnt have a real technique that made sense. I'm not sure. Chozen seems to attack but is stopped either by Daniel's strike or by a parry. I think it's a parry because Daniel appears to be swinging both arms. It is difficult to tell though. This is just my theory.
@@StoryDive I suppose they wanted close ups on the actors' faces. As you mentioned, in this case it's less about the science and more about the art. We all know in our [John G. Avildsen] hearts that Daniel will win; it's not how that matters, it's when and why. He prevails after the Crane Kick failed, after his other techniques didn’t amount to much, only after he's spent. His victory is assured because his will (chi) is strong and pure, fortified by his friends [and HollywoodJuice]. In contrast, Chozen has lost his love for life. His revenge is barbaric attention seeking. His audience rejects his wish in dramatic solidarity. The drum isn’t just to inspire Daniel. It’s to remind Chozen that all his sins upon them, previously swished away, do indeed have tethers and will come hurling back to him the moment they (the villagers) decide to pivot. Thus, his pride (as you mentioned) stupefies him; he plunges forward in defiance, as any man-brat would. (I fantasize that Daniel is face slapping Chozen, tiger claw style!) The rebuke is holistic: spiritual defeat, moral rejection, emotional punishment, and physical chastisement. It was more important for the filmmakers to tell of the characters exhaustion and resolution than Daniel's parry. (Though, I agree a "husband and wife" parry with counter strike is most likely what the filmmakers intended us to imagine.) Camera work from farther away would have diminished the climax as it required intense study of the actors faces.
I took Tae Kwon Do as a teenager...i love studying and learning about martial arts its so cool. I was only a white belt but i learned a lot from some friends i went to high school with. The one guy was in Judo and the the other one was in Tai Chi. I learned more from them than i did taking Karate. Also im a visual learner so watching karate movies helped me learn techniques.
Wow i never realized before, Kata is in martial arts pretty similar to what rudiments are in Drumming. You learn the rudiments and practice them developing muscle memory, to later apply them to an actual song or your playing.
Thanks for the analysis! Very informative. I guess my favorites to watch are the katas in nature... They have this fluid and grounded energy that makes me wanna study karate.
The drum technique is easily my favorite from the series and I like to think it functions a lot like the Dempsey Roll does in boxing. Using your momentum to both doge/parry attacks while also being able to attack and attack a lot.
This is a good analysis. To answer the question, I would say that the motif of the Drum Technique is most applicable in competition and real world application. As a former mentor shared with me, "A decent block mitigates damage." "A better block (or parry) compromises the opponent's position." "A great block (like a Bruce Lee style "Check Block" or "Stop Block") has a chance to mitigate damage, compromise the opponent's position, and/or inflict a measure of punitive damage to the striking opponent." As Josh Waitzkin (former chess prodigy and Master and champion in Aikido, Tai Chi, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) observes in his Chess Master Ten commentary (paraphrased), "Always look for more than one thing when you take action against an opponent. Accomplish more than one goal. If you can consistently do more than one thing and do it well without compromising your position, you will overwhelm your opponent with your mind."
I like the drum technique. I remember the night I learned that the block isn't necessarily the rear hand, the lead hand can be the parry and the blocking hand, such as age uke, could be the counter attack. It absolutely blew my mind and completely changed my perception of karate. I think that's the most real and subtle deus ex kihon in the films, closest to reality but hard to translate to the screen, maybe. I do think it would have been possible though and that the way they filmed it leaving it so hard to work out exactly what was going on was awful. I suppose they chopped it up like that to hide that Chozen threw the same punch something like a dozen times in a row :P Stubborn and prideful as he was, he was a better martial artist than to just keep doing the same move, I think, artistic license or not they could have done that better.
Chayon-Ryu has a "jumping front kick" which is similar to this to the "Crane technique" from the first film., we teach to our beginner level students. Our system is the Yoon Byung-In legacy and includes Sensei Toyama Kanken's Shudo-Kan karate in it's heart, as the Korean Grandmaster Yoon, Byung-In studied under Sensei Toyama Kanken in Tokyo 1940's and returned to Korea in late 1940's. Taught at Kwon Beop Bu, and eventually taught to my teacher Grandmaster Kim Soo, who immigrated to USA in 1968 and is teaching here now (in his 80's) --- Karate Kid is his favorite martial arts movie because, according to him, "It shows real martial arts training."
i most enjoy videos about monsters and weird stuff fighting it's useful for someone who right about magical fights but with that says this is super cool and I'm considering weighting in a karate fight now.
Really great description and breakdown of each teachnique. I particularly liked the Kata one as I believe the concept of it helping Daniel find his balance, his center, so that he can overcome Barnes in the final, also works the other way with regards to Barnes himself. The Barnes characters fighting style is incredibley aggresive, high tempo and even overly committed in it's execution. Several times in the final Barnes is actually caught off balance, not so much by anything Daniel does (though he does execute a nice trip on a stampeding Barnes), but actually by Barnes' lack of balance within himself. This plays right into the hands of a more centered Larusso and in particular, the kata performed in the final.
I remember when terms like "chinkuchi" were niche terms known only to a few. It's so great that knowledge about Okinawan karate is spreading so fast ❤️
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” - Mike Tyson. Daniel always surprised his opponents with a technique and the fact he did not give up.
Awesome video and a really well-thought-out analysis. I studied ths drum technique in Kosho Ryu Kempo, and so I always loved the emd of The Karate Kid Part II the most.
The drum technique counter punch is also what Daniel uses to break the ice in KK2 In the scene he talks about how the first guy wasn’t using his hips to generate enough power.
I've always felt that of the three techniques, the drum was the least fairly represented. The other two were shown pretty clearly, but for some reason the filmmakers chose a very tight and awkward framing for the drum technique. I don't know if they just lacked confidence in it or what. Either way, I've always imagined it as Chosen attempting reverse punches, while Daniel performs an inside block (uchi uke) to trap Chosen's attacking arm, followed by Daniel making an indefensible counter punch. Random side note: Having trained in both karate and TKD, it's interesting that each uses opposite terminology for inside and outside blocks (at least where I trained). Karate: inside block comes from inside to outside. TKD: inside block comes from outside to inside.
Great video. I think in the end of the video you wanted to use the word Oyo over Bunkai as Bunkai means analysis or to break apart and reffers to the process of analyzing and understanding Kata where as Oyo means to apply or put into practice. Can't wait to see what you put out next.
Depends on what competition circuit you fight on. Some circuits allow kicks to the head. Also, having recently re-watched the trilogy, the comment of the Ref about it being illegal to kick to the head wasn't in the first Karate Kid. It was from the Ref to Daniel and Barnes in the championship match in Karate Kid 3. I think because of Daniel's Crane Kick and other headshots delivered in the first tournament that the officials updated the rules for safety in the time between the two tournaments.
@@AshNorton FIrst, thanks for the respectful commentary. I have made my points on other videos and have been berated as not knowing what I am talking about, insulted, and basically told to shut up. All for stating my opinion based on what I watched and my own tournament experience. Now as to your point, yes, Ali did say taht to Daniel but she was not a certified Ref, Judge or Coach and thereby has a spectator's knowledge of the events. We never saw similar instructions given by officials until the third movie. Watch this video of the tournament - You will see instances of other head shots that got points in the tournament mainly by Cobra Kais. They were not penalized for illegal techniques. SO if these shots were legal than how is the Crane Technique illegal? Johnny himself was one of the perpetrators with a kick that could not be misconstrued as targeting another point but being aimed for the face.
In KK3, Daniel does 2 techniques found in aikido. The first one is a variation of a tenchinage or heaven and earth throw and the second is a variation of a kokyunage or breath throw.
To be fair all thechnieques learned by daniel where both defensive and offensive, chozen during cobra kai series used the paint up down on the presure points disabling his arm. same movements different results.
I'm not sure if chinkuchi is applied in the drum technique, but I thought it was worth mentioning. My source for the definition is karatebyjesse.com/chinkuchi-another-exotic-okinawan-karate-word/
@@StoryDive So you also know about Jesse:) Yeah, sometimes I wish I could go back to the past and learn from the masters before what the terms actually meant was partly lost.
It's been a long time (30 years), but I saw the kata in Sensei Fumio Demura's dojo. Sensei Demura was the stunt double for Pat Morita in the movies. At the time, this kata was for the blue belt to advance to red belt, but I did see it at the time.
I think the crane kick could be used to counter a groin kick. Lifting your front leg blocks the groin kick. If you are fast enough, you could land a groin kick with your back leg, while the other guy still has his leg extended and groin exposed.
One cool thing about the original KK crane to beat Johnny - is that Daniel hops on the right foot to get momentum and then leaps into the right kick - (an amazingly high kick by a non-pro -Ralph) this breaks the rhythm in addition to the opponent preparing to defend an attack from the left and being blindsided - just like the dragon did in the UFC ring without the hop.
Hey storydive how can I get a download for the miyagi beat track and the castlevania track you use in your video, they are fire and will happily pay for them. I just like vibing to these tracks.
Fun analysis! I was a little wary at first about you using UFC style fighting as somehow analogous to self-defense fighting-the rules given in a competition, even the UFC, negate this possibility... though fighting basics are fighting basics, of course, regardless of how you train them. But this ended up making a lot of sense, and aptly demonstrated the roots, possibilities, and story uses of the moves in ways I hadn’t considered. Thank you! I think one of the things that’s always bugged me is that in KK2 a fight that is supposedly a to the death street fight largely takes on the tenor and structure of a competition fight. Even as a kid in the 80s, albeit one who had fought in competitions and street fights, it was weirdly and painfully obvious. Still my favorite of the three movies, though!
The main problem with Daniel's version of the crane kick is that his dramatised crane stance alerts practically anyone that he's about to do the crane kick. Even watching Miyagi do it on the beach, he over telegraphs it, but not to the extent of Daniel. Lyoto Machita showed it can work in reall life if you disguise and weaponise it.
I think it's pretty telling that the crane kick in KK1 was shot in extreme wide full shot and the drum technique was shot in medium close up in KK2. Also, that in KK1 Myagi is actually seen doing the technique and practicing it while in KK2 we never actually see it and Myagi just says to learn it from the drum. Pretty sure it means that there is no actual drum technique but they needed to keep the "theres a special move that will win the day" formula
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On the "Drum Technique" Chozen is also doing it. Daniel is just beating his timing. He's a 1/2 step a head of him.
yes, but also for another reason...Chozen uses the drum more linearly, while Daniel is more circular, so Daniel's drum goes out of the fire line while striking
Being a musician and understanding tempo and timing has made martial arts irl, in film, and in fighting games so much easier to understand for me. The drum technique made it all click.
Negative, Chosen is not using the technique, he was never taught it. You can see from his stance before he begins his attack, he is just forward punching while Danny has him trapped in the drum technique, sorry he is NOT using it like Danny.
@Right To Censor Exactly. To Miayagi and Daniel, the drumming was a signal and reminder. To everyone else, the drums were an encouragement & support (a ganbatte 頑張って）to Daniel that was done following from Miayagi's action. Chozen, unfortunately, got confused and felt more shamed as he saw everyone rallying behind Daniel. It was as simple as that.
@Right To Censor agreed, during the movie even even insulted the drum as a "baby rattle"...he didn't know the significance.
The Drum Technique. That one is the most realistic to me.. It just not like in the movie that Daniel Hit Chozen several times. Ive done it myself and its effective...Hitting Chozen like 10 times consecutive is just an exaggeration in the movie for dramatic purposes.
No it wasn't for dramatic purposes. The 80s were a simpler time.
It's from a real martial art concept in Lions Roar kung fu. Though the way they use it isn't accurate....
So did he block then hold his hands together as a drum?
I'm no martial artist, but it seems like the kata Daniel did was kind of like hitting the reset button. Okay, we took a beating. Too bad. That was two minutes ago. This is now.
Remember there's a scene in KK 3 when Daniel was training with Silver. Daniel threw a lead kick to the pad Silver is holding followed with an argressive Drum Technique!
Daniel blocked then followed through with a strike and kept repeating that technique in the final scene. Due to the immense speed & power via flexibility attained via the technique Chozen was unable to counter against Daniel's counter-attacks. This is the very BEST ending final match ending to the entire karate kid series. Such a pity that the camera angle didn't allow us to see the chain counters in their awe.
I always figured Daniel landing the first drum punch rocked Chozen so hard that we was drunk and Daniel just kept going till he was finished.
Agreed.
I did goju-ryu for a little while. The dojo I was at didn't have drums; but they definitely did teach to block and strike at the same time just like that. Our sensei told us to picture the drum in the movie. The point is to move your body first, like you also said. Your hands follow. I changed a lot of my main game because of this move. Goju was really fun for me. I started in shotokan in point-fighting and I don't have anything against it; but I realized that emphasizing slow movement, like they do, doesn't teach you to fight better. I was in it to learn to defend myself. Shoto was fun, but I like goju more. I like Shito Ryu even more. Anyone that comes from another karate to shito is going to love it. I think all of the styles have a lot of good things going for them. Just that if you want to not lose fights; shito knows it a little better. For example, the guy that runs the shoto school (and hundreds of others) I went to hasn't been in many real-life fights. He kicked ass in tournaments, though. Completely different worlds
Always wanted to try goju ryu. Will look into shito ryu.
The best martial art is the one in which the student trains the longest.
Lyoto Machida used the crane kick on Randy Coture
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No that is just jumping front kick
He sure did
that he did and he looks like Ryu
@@tarikbegic8580 thank you! Everyone keeps saying it was a crane kick when its noy
StoryDive: "Daniel LaRussoTwo-Time All Valley Champ!"
Me: [sighs happily] Yes.
Wasn't Johnny also two time champ? What made Daniel's more important 🤔
@@jamesestelle7260 I think it was he wast the last 2 time champ or that he was the only one in his dojo so it would make it harder for him to win
@@glorycartagena3355 I'm just pointing out 30 years later he is still a hero for the same accolade. Just seems like an oversight on the creation of the story. I realize Cobra Kai was banned but even other sports recognize players no longer allowed to participate. Otherwise I think the show and movies are American masterpieces and the first movie should have received more awards. To this day I watch it and find the lessons of life to apply in some way.
@Meena Ramakrishnan Not the point. Champions can lose and still hold titles. I just saw it as a plot hole. Especially if No one other then the 2 of them won 2 years in a row.
@Meena Ramakrishnan like I said it's a Plot Hole. Also Johnny went 4 times lost the first in the final, won 2 times in a row, and lost to LaRusso in the 4th. LaRusso won 2. I know it's fiction but Rocky (another movie of the same lines) people often forget Apollo Creed won.
Good analysis, in karate many thing are more that meet the eyes
The whole thing with the villagers taking out their drums in support of Daniel...I'm sure Chozen knew that display was for Daniel's sake, which probably further enraged him. His "honor" was at stake, and the villagers tacitly supporting this "gaijin" just made him go completely apeshit and blindly attack. Chozen was clearly the better student with a lifetime of training as opposed to Daniel's 8 months, but all that rage unraveled everything.
very good analysis
Exactly.
It was probably more that his master was actually doing it and supporting Daniel. He was 100% demoralized.
@@Blendercage no demoralization in those eyes when Chozen turns back to face Daniel, it's more anger and hatred.
Actually both Chozen and Sato forgot about the first rule of karate which is "karate is for defence only". Both of them are not a good karate men.
I'm really glad you Incorporated Lyoto Machida in this video because he really was one of the most exciting fighters to ever walk in the octagon
Great explanation about those three techniques from the Karate Kid movies and how they relate to real karate. One comment about the crane kick: The Karate Kid came out in 1984 a few months after I earned my shodan in Tang Soo Do. After watching the movie, I remember talking about it with my master. I told him I liked the movie, except for the crane kick which I thought was BS.
My master was always quick to criticize other teachers and their techniques, but he told me he knew a competitor who successfully used it. This guy was known for being able to fight by standing or jumping on one leg and kicking with the other, almost to the exclusion of other kicks and hand techniques. But as my master pointed out, this guy was also a professional ballet instructor and dancer. He was used to standing on one leg for long periods of time while kicking or stepping with the other.
Anyway, great video!
This was a great explination of the different finishing moves for each film; I remember when I was very young (i think 7 but not much older) and being at the internationals. I unfortunately tried the crane kick during a sparring match, in front of EVERYONE; i think the entire place collectively looked away and went 'we don't know who this child belongs to'.
Daniel: My knee is messed up, I guess I do the crane kick.
Daniel then proceeds to land with all his weight on the messed up knee.
Yeah if he actually did the crane kick right he wouldn’t have even needed his other leg.
Can we talk about that right leg sweep followed by the left round kick Johnny does at :08 seconds. I have always been impressed with that particular combination. The mechanics of those two moves put together are beyond advanced! I mean it doesn’t even look like Johnny puts his right foot down before that left foot connects with Dannyboys melon!!! My favorite kick combination in the entire KK series!
Hi! I just found this video great job and thank you so much for the shoutout! I love how you describe Kata as a "Document written in movement instead of words". That is the PERFECT way to look at it. Great job on this video and fantastic research!
Thanks! Actually, I was just watching your latest video on Cobra Kai. I've been a fan of your channel for a while. Keep up the great content!
13:38 when kata is mentioned, which literally means "form", suddenly my mind went to remember kamado tanjiro instead. Mizu no Kokyuu - Ichi no Kata: Minamo Giri !!!
As a Goju ruy karate brown belt, this is great!
yes, is a great way of karate - also a Goju ryu paractioner here :)
I took both Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido for four years and holy hell did we do a lot of Kata. We had a specific Kata we had to memorize for each belt, and during our testing to advance to the next belt we essentially had to perform this kata flawlessly.
The next belt wasn't simply just handed over, you had to earn it by earning stripes on your current belt over a period of several months and had to undergo a test of sorts in order to "pass", or earn your next colored belt. You can most definitely fail the test and have to restart from the very beginning of your current belt if you fail the test. If I remember right, I failed exactly once during my training but passed all other attempts.
You basically had to earn what they called "credits" on a scorecard for each successful karate session you'd attend, and I believe you had to earn 60 or so in order to qualify to be tested to earn your next belt. I can't remember what you had to do to acquire your stripes on each belt, it's been a good 25 years or so since I took Karate.
Appreciate the discussion of the mechanics of and meaning behind these moves, Sensei StoryDive.
The drum technique is also a off balancing move aiming at the opponents chin with the hip maximizing your second swing. Chozen's brain gets scrambled with most of his weight already committed to his own punch, only to get scrambled again in the opposite direction, the little island lacked the terrain to dodge back as well. So his inner ear is going crazy and if he tumbled, he'd drown.
Love the illustration on the Kata as well as the crane kick.
Martial arts is s great art that truly trains on to have balance in all spheres of life.
I'm so inspired .
Thank you for this amazing illustration
I love doing Seyunchin, it is a beautiful kata, but I also love it when I get that hip to rotate and the belt to whip a circle .
Or perhaps I love the memory of it, since I am older, slower and stiffer.
Very cool episode. I have to add the caveat is when one has injuries or age, the kata is a compromise. It's pure brute force. Leaving the rhythm to help overcome injuries and age similar to what you mentioned
Well, Robert Kamen just revealed an interesting detail about how he created the Drum Technique on Reunited Apart. Apparently it was shown to him by Karate Master Chokei Kishaba as the "secret of all Karate". Kamen didn't go into detail on how the technique works so I still think my analysis is correct. However, I would like to know exactly what Kishaba taught. ruclips.net/video/OYwPHqKvdJM/видео.html
The secret is that there is no secret. A drum technique doesn't exist. What does exist is a principle of movement. In karate you should always move like the drum. It's essentially the marriage of chinkuchi and gamaku and not that different from what is called Fa jin in chinese martial arts.
I read that one of the consultants for karate kid was a famous Shito ryu practitioner Fumio Demura.
Demura taught an interpretation of kata where the postures were used as jumping off points. So a block might apply as a block, but then your counterstrike combo is your own imagination but based on your body position as shown in the kata.
Looking at it that way, the technique Daniel uses in KK3 makes sense.
If the hi-lo block position from the kata is seen as a trap (obvious opening), then one might visualise themselves catching the obvious attack that you are inviting, then throwing the opponent.
Daniel centred himself with the kata movement, then laid the trap he'd visualised in over the years of kata training, returning to the source, internal reflection and control of balance and rhythm.
Something else I saw in another video on the "Drum Technique", that ties in with the Rhythm aspect you brought up. Is momentum, as the rhythm increases, so does Daniel's speed and strikes. He also has the what they call in Basketball the "Sixth Man" or the backup from the audience. He has all their support and Chozen knows it. As the rhythm and momentum of their drums increases, so too does Daniel's own rhythm and momentum.
2 years later but...dude. I love your explanation! Congrats. From Brazil.
I made that little drum yesterday and I found this great video today.
Thank you, that was really intresting, and makes me want to reawach Karate Kid right now.
The kata looks like ippon seoi nage, that's why I want to learn Judo, this was a nice moment in the movie.
nice explanation. i like the balance with the crane kick symbolism and how kada was actually used for finding his center
Vidal needs to make an appearance in Cobra Kai. Doesn't have to be anything big, maybe we see him having a drink with Johnny and Daniel reminiscing about past matches, or maybe he helps them out.
All three moves are great but the crane kick is easily the most iconic
Your assessment style is very unique and the explanation was supercalifragilisticexpialidocious you would make an extraordinary master/sifu/sensei/etc.
Wow thanks for the very interesting analysis. Watching this after a CK S3 marathon.
LOL I already watched this move but, like at 0:06 I was like what the hell you moving those legs for Daniel.
Extremely informative. Thank you.
The drum technique is Tsuki Uke in part, who means block with strike, you punch under or above, depend of the high, of the attack from the opponent. If the opponent throw a Tsuki to the body with the left hand, you do a Tsuki with the right hand under the punch of the opponent.
Kata in classical Okinawan kara te is equivalent to practicing scales & chords in classical guitar.
That's true for Kata in general. Whether it's Karate, or Wing Chun, or Kendo, or Taekwondo, ...
Kata is not in wing chun
@@Oceanspray1234r Sil Lum Tao is a form.
If you haven't already, check out my breakdown of the Full Cobra Kai season 3 trailer here: ruclips.net/video/2zXLf2bFLG8/видео.html
Already saw it this morning
One thing I noticed in some fight scenes in Cobra Kai is that there were so many modified/modern moves that didn't made much impact like what were shown in this video.
Seems to me the Cobra Kai kids are doing more Tang Soo Do techniques.
To do a kata during a full contact match is not advised that’s why there is a separate kata division. Lol 😆
Generally it is a pretty bad idea, lol.
It could be a good technique for confusing the opponent or to taunt them.
Do that in front of Rocky Balboa. Rocky will just say Arrrrrrugh! With uppercut at the same time
@@ninthkaikan1544 Are you allowed to taunt your opponent in a Karate match? I'm not that familiar with Karate, but I do Kendo, and in Kendo "taunting" (with the exception of Kiai/Kakegoe) would get you a penalty point (Hansoku) or even disqualified. It's not good sportsmanship.
@@dermaniac5205 Sport Karate matches have some rules many would call stupid but I believe there is no rule against it in your average karate tournament. Maybe people will see it as bad sportsmanship but I don’t believe you get penalty points.
Great vid. It's nice to know that these techniques are founded in actual techniques.....
@12:34 I love The Karate Kid films and I think your video history is great, although this point in the video doesn't actually see Chozen attack Daniel. It's nice to know what the film makers were potentially going for but I've always seen this scene as Daniel flaying his arms around and Chozen swivelling back and forth as opposed to Daniel's one hand for blocking Chozen's strikes and the other for attacking 'Chozen cause if that is happening it isn't in frame. It would have been far better if they had spent more time on the choreography here and panned further back.
If you look closely you can see Chozen attacking in some shots but they did obscure it. Maybe because Ralph wasn't performing it well. Maybe because they didnt have a real technique that made sense. I'm not sure. Chozen seems to attack but is stopped either by Daniel's strike or by a parry. I think it's a parry because Daniel appears to be swinging both arms. It is difficult to tell though. This is just my theory.
@@StoryDive I suppose they wanted close ups on the actors' faces. As you mentioned, in this case it's less about the science and more about the art.
We all know in our [John G. Avildsen] hearts that Daniel will win; it's not how that matters, it's when and why. He prevails after the Crane Kick failed, after his other techniques didn’t amount to much, only after he's spent. His victory is assured because his will (chi) is strong and pure, fortified by his friends [and HollywoodJuice].
In contrast, Chozen has lost his love for life. His revenge is barbaric attention seeking. His audience rejects his wish in dramatic solidarity. The drum isn’t just to inspire Daniel. It’s to remind Chozen that all his sins upon them, previously swished away, do indeed have tethers and will come hurling back to him the moment they (the villagers) decide to pivot. Thus, his pride (as you mentioned) stupefies him; he plunges forward in defiance, as any man-brat would. (I fantasize that Daniel is face slapping Chozen, tiger claw style!)
The rebuke is holistic: spiritual defeat, moral rejection, emotional punishment, and physical chastisement. It was more important for the filmmakers to tell of the characters exhaustion and resolution than Daniel's parry. (Though, I agree a "husband and wife" parry with counter strike is most likely what the filmmakers intended us to imagine.) Camera work from farther away would have diminished the climax as it required intense study of the actors faces.
I took Tae Kwon Do as a teenager...i love studying and learning about martial arts its so cool. I was only a white belt but i learned a lot from some friends i went to high school with. The one guy was in Judo and the the other one was in Tai Chi. I learned more from them than i did taking Karate. Also im a visual learner so watching karate movies helped me learn techniques.
The Drum Technique and Hajime No Ippo Dempsey Roll. Both fantasy techniques with realistic origins. Always devastating and super cinematic!
It's a tragedy someone took the drum technique from Lions Roar and dumbed it down to this
@@knoxvalleskey1636 Haha I know. Who knew the secret Miyagi technique was drunken left right punches!
Wow i never realized before, Kata is in martial arts pretty similar to what rudiments are in Drumming.
You learn the rudiments and practice them developing muscle memory, to later apply them to an actual song or your playing.
Thanks for the analysis! Very informative.
I guess my favorites to watch are the katas in nature... They have this fluid and grounded energy that makes me wanna study karate.
The drum technique is easily my favorite from the series and I like to think it functions a lot like the Dempsey Roll does in boxing. Using your momentum to both doge/parry attacks while also being able to attack and attack a lot.
This is a good analysis.
To answer the question, I would say that the motif of the Drum Technique is most applicable in competition and real world application.
As a former mentor shared with me, "A decent block mitigates damage."
"A better block (or parry) compromises the opponent's position."
"A great block (like a Bruce Lee style "Check Block" or "Stop Block") has a chance to mitigate damage, compromise the opponent's position, and/or inflict a measure of punitive damage to the striking opponent."
As Josh Waitzkin (former chess prodigy and Master and champion in Aikido, Tai Chi, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) observes in his Chess Master Ten commentary (paraphrased), "Always look for more than one thing when you take action against an opponent. Accomplish more than one goal. If you can consistently do more than one thing and do it well without compromising your position, you will overwhelm your opponent with your mind."
I like the drum technique. I remember the night I learned that the block isn't necessarily the rear hand, the lead hand can be the parry and the blocking hand, such as age uke, could be the counter attack. It absolutely blew my mind and completely changed my perception of karate. I think that's the most real and subtle deus ex kihon in the films, closest to reality but hard to translate to the screen, maybe. I do think it would have been possible though and that the way they filmed it leaving it so hard to work out exactly what was going on was awful. I suppose they chopped it up like that to hide that Chozen threw the same punch something like a dozen times in a row :P Stubborn and prideful as he was, he was a better martial artist than to just keep doing the same move, I think, artistic license or not they could have done that better.
Chayon-Ryu has a "jumping front kick" which is similar to this to the "Crane technique" from the first film., we teach to our beginner level students. Our system is the Yoon Byung-In legacy and includes Sensei Toyama Kanken's Shudo-Kan karate in it's heart, as the Korean Grandmaster Yoon, Byung-In studied under Sensei Toyama Kanken in Tokyo 1940's and returned to Korea in late 1940's. Taught at Kwon Beop Bu, and eventually taught to my teacher Grandmaster Kim Soo, who immigrated to USA in 1968 and is teaching here now (in his 80's) --- Karate Kid is his favorite martial arts movie because, according to him, "It shows real martial arts training."
i most enjoy videos about monsters and weird stuff fighting it's useful for someone who right about magical fights but with that says this is super cool and I'm considering weighting in a karate fight now.
So proud of my son two weeks away from his Okinawan black belt test
Nice video! Thank you 🙏
Really great description and breakdown of each teachnique. I particularly liked the Kata one as I believe the concept of it helping Daniel find his balance, his center, so that he can overcome Barnes in the final, also works the other way with regards to Barnes himself.
The Barnes characters fighting style is incredibley aggresive, high tempo and even overly committed in it's execution. Several times in the final Barnes is actually caught off balance, not so much by anything Daniel does (though he does execute a nice trip on a stampeding Barnes), but actually by Barnes' lack of balance within himself. This plays right into the hands of a more centered Larusso and in particular, the kata performed in the final.
Very interesting how u explained all these moves and techniques i found it very informative thabks
I remember when terms like "chinkuchi" were niche terms known only to a few.
It's so great that knowledge about Okinawan karate is spreading so fast ❤️
“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” - Mike Tyson. Daniel always surprised his opponents with a technique and the fact he did not give up.
But you need to get closer to punch his mouth and when you do Daniel would do his technique.
All those 3 finish moves sounds realistic to me ^^
Awesome video and a really well-thought-out analysis. I studied ths drum technique in Kosho Ryu Kempo, and so I always loved the emd of The Karate Kid Part II the most.
Good video! It was educational
Thank you. A bit more than I needed but informative
Can you also explain to us the tiger position kick, the dragon kick and the two legged kick?
The drum technique counter punch is also what Daniel uses to break the ice in KK2
In the scene he talks about how the first guy wasn’t using his hips to generate enough power.
I've always felt that of the three techniques, the drum was the least fairly represented. The other two were shown pretty clearly, but for some reason the filmmakers chose a very tight and awkward framing for the drum technique. I don't know if they just lacked confidence in it or what.
Either way, I've always imagined it as Chosen attempting reverse punches, while Daniel performs an inside block (uchi uke) to trap Chosen's attacking arm, followed by Daniel making an indefensible counter punch.
Random side note: Having trained in both karate and TKD, it's interesting that each uses opposite terminology for inside and outside blocks (at least where I trained). Karate: inside block comes from inside to outside. TKD: inside block comes from outside to inside.
very interesting, thanks for the cool video
Another aspect of the Kata in part 3, is that it throws Barnes off his game.
Mike ..."WTF???"
amazing how effective okinawan karate is with all its principles of maximizing power and defense
Great video. I think in the end of the video you wanted to use the word Oyo over Bunkai as Bunkai means analysis or to break apart and reffers to the process of analyzing and understanding Kata where as Oyo means to apply or put into practice. Can't wait to see what you put out next.
Very good point about the drum. Amazing. Who would've Thunk it. Kodoos. Very brilliant
I loved your explanation, great video
If you managed pull that kick off you would get disqualified so hard, there would be no sequels.
Yup. Cobra Kai later re-represents it as an illegal move, but Danny doen't have a flip to give.
@@tttITA10 its an illegal move now. Not at the time when it was film
Depends on what competition circuit you fight on. Some circuits allow kicks to the head. Also, having recently re-watched the trilogy, the comment of the Ref about it being illegal to kick to the head wasn't in the first Karate Kid. It was from the Ref to Daniel and Barnes in the championship match in Karate Kid 3. I think because of Daniel's Crane Kick and other headshots delivered in the first tournament that the officials updated the rules for safety in the time between the two tournaments.
It's not illegal, Miguel did it too and got a point without hesitation from the referee
@@AshNorton FIrst, thanks for the respectful commentary. I have made my points on other videos and have been berated as not knowing what I am talking about, insulted, and basically told to shut up. All for stating my opinion based on what I watched and my own tournament experience. Now as to your point, yes, Ali did say taht to Daniel but she was not a certified Ref, Judge or Coach and thereby has a spectator's knowledge of the events. We never saw similar instructions given by officials until the third movie.
Watch this video of the tournament - You will see instances of other head shots that got points in the tournament mainly by Cobra Kais. They were not penalized for illegal techniques. SO if these shots were legal than how is the Crane Technique illegal? Johnny himself was one of the perpetrators with a kick that could not be misconstrued as targeting another point but being aimed for the face.
I've seen the Kata in the KK3 duel as Barnes reacting with "What the fuck is he doing, is he having a stroke or something?
In KK3, Daniel does 2 techniques found in aikido. The first one is a variation of a tenchinage or heaven and earth throw and the second is a variation of a kokyunage or breath throw.
To be fair all thechnieques learned by daniel where both defensive and offensive, chozen during cobra kai series used the paint up down on the presure points disabling his arm. same movements different results.
Nice video man. Are you sure chinkuchi is applied in the second technique? I am still yet to properly understand certain things about chinkuchi.
I'm not sure if chinkuchi is applied in the drum technique, but I thought it was worth mentioning. My source for the definition is
karatebyjesse.com/chinkuchi-another-exotic-okinawan-karate-word/
@@StoryDive So you also know about Jesse:)
Yeah, sometimes I wish I could go back to the past and learn from the masters before what the terms actually meant was partly lost.
i do okinawa karate and in real combat i used the drum technique before and it was insane and i learned it from kk2 that to block and strike so i yeah
It's been a long time (30 years), but I saw the kata in Sensei Fumio Demura's dojo. Sensei Demura was the stunt double for Pat Morita in the movies. At the time, this kata was for the blue belt to advance to red belt, but I did see it at the time.
Great video, thanks for making!
I think the crane kick could be used to counter a groin kick. Lifting your front leg blocks the groin kick. If you are fast enough, you could land a groin kick with your back leg, while the other guy still has his leg extended and groin exposed.
I wish you went into the opening bunkai for seienchin like you did with the other moves. Good video though.
I love that picture! (4:01)
Great breakdown
Agreed. Bravo StoryDive! You, sir, are worthy of RUclips.
While I was studying Wushu we learned a block/punch that was very similar to that drum technique.
Decent video. Good job.
It is three in the morning I am sitting on RUclips Learning about the karate kid and Kata
3:13 nice touch
One cool thing about the original KK crane to beat Johnny - is that Daniel hops on the right foot to get momentum and then leaps into the right kick - (an amazingly high kick by a non-pro -Ralph) this breaks the rhythm in addition to the opponent preparing to defend an attack from the left and being blindsided - just like the dragon did in the UFC ring without the hop.
Hey storydive how can I get a download for the miyagi beat track and the castlevania track you use in your video, they are fire and will happily pay for them. I just like vibing to these tracks.
Thanks for this!!!
I'm in. Let's hear it 👊
Excellent analysis 👏👏👏
Fun analysis! I was a little wary at first about you using UFC style fighting as somehow analogous to self-defense fighting-the rules given in a competition, even the UFC, negate this possibility... though fighting basics are fighting basics, of course, regardless of how you train them. But this ended up making a lot of sense, and aptly demonstrated the roots, possibilities, and story uses of the moves in ways I hadn’t considered. Thank you!
I think one of the things that’s always bugged me is that in KK2 a fight that is supposedly a to the death street fight largely takes on the tenor and structure of a competition fight. Even as a kid in the 80s, albeit one who had fought in competitions and street fights, it was weirdly and painfully obvious. Still my favorite of the three movies, though!
Lyoto Machida?
Always thought it was cool that his name was miyagi, which is the same as my wife's maiden name, her great grandma came from Okinawa as well
The main problem with Daniel's version of the crane kick is that his dramatised crane stance alerts practically anyone that he's about to do the crane kick. Even watching Miyagi do it on the beach, he over telegraphs it, but not to the extent of Daniel. Lyoto Machita showed it can work in reall life if you disguise and weaponise it.
Acording to the scroll you opponenet will expect you will kick him in your left leg but then you will kick hiom in your right leg.
i cracked up this whole video
I think it's pretty telling that the crane kick in KK1 was shot in extreme wide full shot and the drum technique was shot in medium close up in KK2. Also, that in KK1 Myagi is actually seen doing the technique and practicing it while in KK2 we never actually see it and Myagi just says to learn it from the drum. Pretty sure it means that there is no actual drum technique but they needed to keep the "theres a special move that will win the day" formula
Wasn’t the bad boy Barnes a Quartermain son on General Hospital after this?