Update: We've been told that while the product is at $1749 MSRP, it could be sold for cheaper at certain locations. So if you're interested in the laptop, look out for the sales!
@@sadbravesfan Yes, I was just going to say. Glad the second SSD card is NVMe and M.2 compatible. I have two 2tb SSD cards. This would be a sweet laptop w/ 4tb of SSD storage!
@@Akkbar21 Like 30% of the space inside the chassis is literally empty, how ridiculous, they put a 13inch laptop inside a 16inch chassis and call it premium
Anthony is no downgrade. This dude is on a grind and we all love how much we get to see him. He brings a fresh take to LTT and its a treat to see him on screen. He even brought right to repair into LTT videos via destroying the iMac screen. Legend.
Why does apple get a pass on every shit while other manufactures need to invent a nuclear reactor and a time machine in their products to get an acceptance of the people?! LG already quit the Phonegame, cmon give them a break!
Still a fan of Anthony's videos for LTT. I wasn't sure why he was so negative about the laptop until the very end when he talked about the price. Yikes! If I knew that going in and then saw what Anthony saw, I'd be pissy too.
I mean if you don't like the stuff, it's right to be honest about it. When you got that price you expecting more, and this is underwhelming. You can't pleased everyone
I thought he was so bad. This laptop has been sitting at 1100$ for almost a whole year, and there is really nothing else like it on the market at any price point.
One of my fav things about short circuit is the transparency around what the "reviewer's guide" from the brand says. From Anthony pointing out the info the brand left out and why that may be sus to James straight-up reading stuff consumers weren't meant to see, it gives useful insight into how the brands are thinking about their products and makes me trust this channel more than some other reviewers :)
we need more Anthony on here with the laptops. he is 1000000% right on calling out the bloatware and manufacturers giving us all of the information up front, not us (the consumer) going to look for it. for $2.2k, this laptop is not worth what you're getting.
Yeah, something like a blade 14 costs the same, has no bloat, and is only .8 lbs more with a 3070 and a machined aluminum chassis. And if you want a tablet just get a surface for 1k less. I don't see the usecase for something like this
Out of the box experience is important and the conclusion that a 2200 dollar laptop has bloatware installed is correct. It is a no go and a trend that has to stop.
@@oMega-sm1eg I say the 16 is the sweet spot still, especially for those who need the larger screen for say spreadsheet or something. The people who buys the gram what they want, a super lightweight laptop that nails a good keyboard trackpad screen and decent speaker and still have good ports. Recently Costco has a great sales for these things for like 1400 for the 2in1 and 1000 for the clamshell. It’s a huge niche market but just the weight alone makes it just unmatched by anything on the laptop market
@@sentryion3106 Exactly, and that's the problem. Only LG is making such a large screen and lightweight device, so whoever wants that does not have a second choice. This enables LG to do whatever they want to their 16 and 17 lines to get more profit. Even putting a 13inch motherboard in, in a way that resembles a piece of garbage. It's such a huge shame that nobody else would step into this market and give LG a slap on their face.
@@oMega-sm1eg actually samsung galaxy book pro is also similar to the lg with an oled screen. Tbh i 100% understand the logic behind a 13in motherboard on a 16in since a)cutting cost (which doesnt mean much since these machines are expensive outside of salea) b) weight reduction. I mean theres no way lg is gonna put in anything more powerful than a quad core intel chip if they want to keep their identity of lightweight with a huge screen
@@sentryion3106 no its not. the samsung is like any other 15" laptop. what makes the gram worth it is the aspect ratio. 1600p vs 1440p wich is extremely hard to find affoardable. im currently looking for a laptop to use while i study cybersecurity online, i travel alot (partly live in norway and germany) so i would apriciate the extra screen relestate. and the massive battery. so far its dell xps at 2500 euros, LG gram, or some custom oems that is the only option.
i think most of the brutal part comes from anthony who has a much more critical view than alex does. laptops honestly have not been super exciting for several years now. the apple laptops (and the ipad pro with the m1 chip) have been rather exciting, but aside from that... not really anything new since i bought my laptop 4 years ago.
@@azyrael96 true. As much as I despite apple as a company, the M1 is a great chip and it is a good step towards more ARM usage in the mobile branch (If we ignore that it's just ARM-based with unecessary closed protocols added). The battery life they can get out of it is astonishing. And surprisingly, the M1 Macbook is not that expensive. Of course it is not cheap, a few years ago the price difference between macbooks and laptops was a lot bigger. On the other hand, the framework laptop is something I am very excited about. They managed to build a very slim and beautyful machine while remaining that repairable. With the framework being a thing I can't see myself spending money on any other laptop anymore. Just to show that I as a customer care about the way we handle e-waste.
@@cookie_space what's amazing about framework is that it's not just "repairable" but actively try to be modular you could get a repairable laptop if you have a bunch of PCB connected with proprietary ribbon cable and complex plastic mating shape but framework gives you almost off the shelves part, with CAD design for their expansion bay and doing all that with the thickness that won't attract any attention it doesn't have those "recycled plastic" (which is basically just them too lazy to mix the plastic completely) look or the "cardboard" look from those company that just try to virtue signal, it's just a normal, aluminum chassis that if you don't tell me it's repairable, i'd still recommend for my friends and family (I kind of still need dedicated GPU tho)
@@aronseptianto8142 they definitly did a phenomenal job on designing it. I also wish it had a dedicated gpu but I guess that's just not a thing in that size (there aren't many others with gpus in that category). Maybe one day, they'll release a bigger model with a dedicated gpu inside... They have so much potential with were to go and what to add as upgrades
You were perfectly critical, I find that the engineering overall sucks on this gram and I would be perfectly fine if they ditched the "gram" weight altogether, and just worked on higher quality for a lower price. Considering the mac can do better than a full blown computer in some scenarios, this is a big scam with a empty and unused interior.
This is probably the worst tech video I've seen since the Verge build video. Is the Macbook a convertible? Does the Macbook have a touch screen? Does the Macbook have Stylus support? No? Then don't be a moron and compare different class portable devices. Might as well compare it to a gaming desktop at that point. You can get it right now with 16GB of memory for $1,200 US, so your pricing is way off too. The crap he complains about exist in practically every laptop. Also has Anthony ever actually used Windows? He says he could reinstall Windows to debloat it, WTF? Or you can just uninstall the offending programs, which takes 15 minutes. Also these 3rd party apps have been a thing with every name brand laptop since the 90s. I want to know true negatives not your bad mood biases. I want to know if the trackpad is good, keyboard travel, battery life, weight compared to same class devices, etc... Please don't let Anthony review another laptop. I've owned about 40-50 laptops through my lifetime, the LG gram build quality has been really good actually.
@@TalynOne If practicaly everyone sells you crap you do end up owning 50 laptops in a lifetime. Also don't see why it would be ok for LG to ship addware and spyware if someone else does it as well. If I pay 1200 euro for a laptop I dont't want the start of my experience be 15 minutes of making the thing less unnecessary shitty.
It's so refreshing to see someone actually criticising a laptop, soany reviews are just "yeah it's great buy this shit" but Anthony always feels methodical and analytical, and genuine criticims come to the surface. It just makes me trust Anthony even more when he says something is actually good!
Give the consumers what they want!!!! Thank you Anthony, in 1 week, month, year, etc… when someone’s laptop breaks or they are simply searching for an upgrade, reviews like this matter. The tech industry is often filled with hyper inflating the positives and merely notes the negatives. Although, I never intended on getting this laptop, I appreciate you for informing future consumers who may benefit from this type of information -positive and negative- to make better buying decisions.
Agreed. It's getting hard to find real, unbiased reviews on tech amidst all the hype and overly optimistic views. I enjoy the nitpicky reviews at they often get at the actual user experience, flaws and all, rather than a long form ad conforming to what a manufacturer allows you to know. All products have flaws and that's to be expected, but we can't make informed decisions without all the info. Real world useability can make or break a product for consumers and you can't find that in the marketing of said product. Side note: I relied heavily on reviews as well as specs when picking out a new laptop for my mum. 5 years on and she still says its the best laptop she's ever owned. I know how to interpret specs, but real reviews are immensely important as there's so much more to a laptop than just the specs.
Well... I'll savor this review. They'll probably not have Anthony doing these kind of laptop reviews anymore. I can see companies asking to be reviewed by Alex's "standards" instead.
OMG Can we please keep this as a running gag that Anthony is not in on. Where they tell him about one device that's really close to a different device that he has to review. This is hysterical --I'm loving every minute of it. ❤
I absolutely love how critical Anthony is. I hate seeing reviews that are all fake hype and influencer talk. This feels like a person actually reviewing the usability and consumer experience of the product; what a review should always be, not just someone who is biased attempting to sell an overpriced product.
Saw this PC at the office today as a customer bought it new and we configured it. Weirdly enough, it came with Windows 11 build 22000.9, which is prerelease! It had the Windows 10 settings and notification panel, which of course was changed after a cumulative update to the latest version of Windows 11.
I just hope Samsung and others get the memo and stop running the "make it as thin and lightweight as possible!" race which Apple realised was idiotic. I'd like a beefy Alder Lake Galaxy Book Pro, tho sadly it'll probably still be the same 1080p60Hz screen with meh speakers and no dGPU we have right now since the design was probably finished before Apple dropped them Mac Max.
@@sandelu635 But really who cares? I dont even use macs, but if I want to draw, I'll use a wacam tablet. If I want to type, I'll use a laptop, I never understood 2 in 1s
I totally agree with you about the bloatwear. Totally annoying. Please have a reference machine for the sound test next time, alex always does it and it is a MUST have if i am to actually know how the speakers sound. Overall, great review! I ♥️ Anthony
I only pop up here from time to time. Mostly for Anthony :P I think Alex uses a MacBook and a Dell XPS for reference when it comes to sound. Though it doesn't matter that much to me, since I mostly use speakers or headphones. Good laptop speakers go in the category of 'nice to have'. And expected to have, given the price range. 2000+ dollars seems a lot to me. Maybe it isn't. Heck, I'm not looking to upgrade anything soon, and the prices went up so much during the pandemic. But before covid, 2000+ dollar laptops used to come with decent speakers.
I don't care about bloatware at all, you can just take 10min to remove all of them. Manufacturers get commissions for putting bloatware in and that money will finally go into the price and quality.
You guys should do a dual review! Get Anthony and Alex to review the same item but don't tell them when it is happening and what item they will both be doing. Let them come to their own conclusions and see how it plays out!
I too would be pretty steamed if a manufacturer handed me an influencer cheat sheet instead of the actual information to do my job. Particularly if I was as knowledgeable in my field as Anthony is. Well said sir!
I don't typically watch laptop reviews, but Anthony drew me in. Between his consternation at getting the wrong model and the LTT filming in the background, this was beautiful.
I would be negative as well when comparing it to other products in the same "class". So often we just accept things the way they are because that's what the manufacturers make. The market has a lot more options. Keep doing reviews for us so we can be more informed consumers.
Anthony might just single-handedly drive down the sales of the Gram and I am all for it! With that price tag, Gram is lacking in so many ways. They should focus on delivering value over yearly reboot of the same item with just basic necessity updates. Plus the empty space! Speakers, batteries, extra ports, or even a place to put the pen. Come on bruh.
i agree with everything but the pen name a single device with a pen that you have owned you haven't lost even with a place to put it. also they tend to be pretty bad to boot.
Notice how there's not one comment complaining about the length/quality? Anthony kills it in every way. He sets an example as to how ShortCircuit SHOULD be, regardless of what the channel is called.
Love Anthony's honest reviews. If I'm going to be spending 2k and it's not an apple, it better be perfect. This is far from it and I appreciate what Anthony is showing us
Anthony is the best, he just said it like it was. This is the kinda video I love, helps me decide my next laptop. 2000 or anything above 1k is not a cheap buy.
Bought the same model here - The wifi 6 card is waking the laptop while sleeping. I tried a fresh install of Windows 11, Windows 10, new network drivers, etc and still having the same issues. I tried 3 of the same computers and all of them have Windows events while closed. Strange issue for sure, not sure if I'll stick with this considering the priced paid.
Good suggestions - found that the Intel Wifi 6 driver was the cause of the issue (some Dell XPS users are having the same issues). I changed the setting to go to hibernate versus sleep when the lid is closed and it has solved the issue - strange stuff.
Didn't know hearing Anthony rip on bloatware would be so therapeutic. Knowing that I'm not the only one to be disgusted by it so much has made me feel understood in a way I haven't for a long time.
Anthony's videos are always super entertaining. Also, why is it we are like 2 weeks from 2022 and 1500+ dollar laptops still have 4c/8t CPUs. 2015 wants their CPU's back!
I completely agree with the many other commenters, this type of review for any device is absolutely needed, great review Anthony! The gram in this video seems directionless, filled with short comings when compared to a Surface Pro, Lenovo Yoga or a Dell 2 in 1.
I like when Andy reviews stuff. Everyone else talks about crap like deck flex and revision number etc. Andy reviews like someone I play online games with telling me their experiences with a product I am interested in.
I didn't know the price until the end and lord did I get his frustration. For that amount you'd rather get the MacBook Pro 14" or a competing windows laptop
You need to take into account, this is not a review, this is a first impressions. Alex covers what is mentioned as a talking point that he agrees with, and then glosses a bit over the negatives, that's it. In this case they were dumb enough to give no sheet or anything to Anthony, so Anthony can say whatever he likes, their mistake.
Yo, a lot of the Wacom stuff do use batteries, like AES, so it really might be a Wacom pen/digitiser. EMR's the older passive stuff, and isn't seen too often anymore (unfortunately, since it's better in some ways)
It is better in *most ways, not some. AES was a cash grab done solely because their license for their old EMR had expired and they needed to sell something, but they still kept developing on EMR and every single one of their premium tablets are EMR for a reason. AES is a "Do what I say not what I do" marketing moment. Tho mind you it isn't becoming rare, Samsung has always used it, and most pen displays are EMR, be it Wacom, Huion, XP-Pen, etc. It's just rare in laptop devices who just go with whatever they are sold the cheapest. Always sad to see companies choosing either MPP/N-Trigg or AES when the people who care about it all prefer EMR, but then I guess we are just not appealing enough compared to those which are fine with active pens. But hey, at least some companies get the memo sometimes, like the Acer Ezel 7 getting EMR instead of its cheaper 3 counterpart which uses AES, kinda wish both were EMR tho.
@@Natsukashii1111 The license for current Wacom perhaps, old one is already public IIRC and EMR is actually cheaper to build. The only issue is having to use and set an extra digitizer for touch input and in the case of the old EMR it had some cursor drift around the edges the company might need to debug if going that route. There's also the fact most EMR pens end up with a single button instead of two (Think that was also Wacom's fault, tho I honestly forgot if that was the case or just coincidence) which can be a turn off for some, thus not in everything, but they are fixable and for the most part irrelevant to the user indeed if that's what you mean.
@@gerardopadilla2666 Samsung has a good relationship with Wacom (it does have a 5% stake) so perhaps no other laptop manufacturer can get Wacom EMR nowadays. I certainly haven't seen one in years. AES is not the best but at least the battery can last for a year.
@@torpedospurs I'd agree, but I gave you an example, the Acer Ezel 7 uses EMR, Fujitsu also uses EMR they are just more difficult to find in local stores and can be a pain for some having to ship them, not to mention spec wise the Galaxy Book right now might be the better option either way. Microsoft used to use EMR before they bought N-Trigg, and you have all the other pen display companies using EMR on their own R&D which I doubt are Wacom license anymore. So I quite doubt they can't, they're most likely just swayed by marketing speeches to buy active pen tech without actual knowledge of benefits, same reason why companies pay for Denuvo when everyone hates it and major companies have prove they can succeed just the same without it. That or they simply wanted to cheap out or just copy the Surface and iPad which use active pen (without realising they do that only because they own it).
Honestly.. wish Anthony was the main Laptop Reviewer. No offense to Alex because he's awesome but Anthonys honesty and no sugar coating vibes resonates with me.
I have been using a gram for the last 2 years. I love it for my specific use case. It's perfect for Linux. I have Fedora installed from Day 1. Fingerprint sensor doesn't work but as there is no dedicated GPU, so power management is well optimized and gives close to Windows battery life.
I Love the fact Anothony gave LG the first fully truthful review they have had... Great Job Anothony and LG PLEASE Listen to his complaints each and everyone!
Very fair review and as always Anthony says it how it really is, reminds me a lot of how Tech Jesus Steve tells manufacturers a few home truths! Manufacturers need to hear this sort of stuff, coz they won't listen to the lonely consumer.
Having had the 15" laptop version of this gram for work, I thought it was pretty great though I didn't pay for it so am biased. But I've also bought 2 in 1s and just don't think they're worth the inevitable markup or hardware penalties.
I like having a 2 in 1 as a secondary machine. My desktop for most things but when I go places I like the portability of my 2 in 1. Plus the only game I play is Minecraft (bedrock) and my 2 in 1 can do it at 4k so I'm pretty happy.
If MacBooks had better software compatibility this wouldn't even be a contest. A MacBook Pro 13 weighs around the same, performs basically the same but has much better battery life, better, if smaller, screen, better speakers, better price (around 600$ cheaper), better trackpad. Just check if you can run what programs you want on the MacBook and if so go for that
@@alexmeek610 you're right I don't think the Pro is really a good choice for most people considering a laptop like this edit: for some reason I forgot the Air exists
The review for stylus was lacking imo. This laptop does not look worth for the price if not for the stylus. Would be nice to see usage at least in ms paint- to know how fast it responds to pen tip touching the screen, how much force it needs, if it works well at the edges and so on.
I have this and the first thing I did was try the stylus in Photoshop. It's very responsive, the lines are straight with no checkmarking at the end of the stroke. I didn't notice any lag when drawing (you get three nibs total; writing nib is preinstalled, with a spare in the packaging as well a drawing nib) My main gripe with it is the cooling solution. It's gowdawful, the low profile feet it has (to make sure the screen lays flat when in tablet mode) effectively chokes the machine out. It can get super hot. For studying, taking notes, and LIGHT drawing, it's perfect. I say light drawing because of the cooling solution. LG cannot claim any compliments for the stylus because it's a WACOM pen, not a proprietary pen. It's meant to do what it does flawlessly. It has a lot of flex, the screen flexes hard as well especially when you're just walking around with it in your hand with the lid open (like going from a table to the couch). I love it but I am so disappointed. I don't have buyer's remorse but there was so much more they could have done with it.
I love Anthony. Please let him make more reviews of laptops. He cares about what I care: efficient use of space, no crapware ,usb A, repairability and upgradability. Edit: wait a minute... Where is the Ethernet port? manufacturers have to stop selling crap.
I wish Tech reviewers understood how excellent having a pen tablet is for a student. Keyboard for taking notes is ONLY good until you have to write anything but basic text. As soon you have diagrams, mathematics or complex symbols, you're fucked.
@@owl1796 If you're fast enough it's okay but you gotta create a ton of shortcut commands. I tried and failed on many occasions because my typing accuracy is pretty low so i'd hit error after error. I'm sure someone who's very experienced and a fast + accurate typer would do okay.
Bloatware, empty chassis with some generic looking pcbs spaced 2moons apart, unnecessary small speakers, bad io, no fullsize sd card reader. That laptops belongs out of the box right into the bin.
When Walmarts Gateway gaming laptops allow you to upgrade ram AND Storage at a low price it just shows how much of price youre paying for just the branding
I'm not opposed to soldered stuff. It makes things smaller, more integrated, and more energy efficient. It's also usually cheaper to make. For a laptop focused on efficiency, it's a good thing. Just be sure to get what you will need for your use case.
@@LiveType This thing should cost 800 max. That's how much i paid for a 2 in 1 lenovo for my dad last year that does everything this thing here can and had no bloatware. 1165g7 might be a little better than the 1035g1 but the people to whom performance matters would not buy a 4c laptop with no dGPU either way.
Update: We've been told that while the product is at $1749 MSRP, it could be sold for cheaper at certain locations. So if you're interested in the laptop, look out for the sales!
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For the price of 1 LG grams here in India I can buy 2 laptops.
$1200 at Costco right now
@@sadbravesfan Yes, I was just going to say. Glad the second SSD card is NVMe and M.2 compatible. I have two 2tb SSD cards. This would be a sweet laptop w/ 4tb of SSD storage!
Is it worth the $1200 Costco price? Or should the money be spent elsewhere?
I like that Anthony is so critical. Manufacturers really need to step up their game if they want us paying 2k+ dollars for empty chassis.
@@Akkbar21 it pretty much a 13 inch motherboard with expanded chassis to put 16 inch screen
@Garrus Vakarian just buy a macbook air at that price oooof
This comment wins
@@Akkbar21 Like 30% of the space inside the chassis is literally empty, how ridiculous, they put a 13inch laptop inside a 16inch chassis and call it premium
@Garrus Vakarian a fully speced macbook air with 2tb ssd is still cheaper then this laptop by like 200$
“I don’t know what’s going on, I just work here.”
that quote is *golden*
what you should say when the cops bust your drug operation..
Fuck, you noted the same... :( Anthony is amazing
Basically was my go to work excuse from 18-23 years old.
And so natural saying it, lmao
Timestamp 4:40
I agree, the amount of bloatware a laptop contains out of the box should at least be mentioned in a review/unboxing like this. 👍
You talking about Windows?
@@MrToastbrot1994for sure
Ppbbst. First thing I do is download drivers to a usb drive and do a fresh install of Windows. That IBM fish scandal taught me that.
@@jemiebridges3197 Luckily I don't buy non-Surface Windows laptops anymore. Microsoft doesn't put any bloatware on their laptops.
@@jemiebridges3197 IBM fish scandal?
Anthony is no downgrade. This dude is on a grind and we all love how much we get to see him. He brings a fresh take to LTT and its a treat to see him on screen. He even brought right to repair into LTT videos via destroying the iMac screen. Legend.
Absolutely agree with Anthony here. If you're above Apple prices, you need to be excelling to justify it.
I mean, Apple doesn't justify them either.
Why does apple get a pass on every shit while other manufactures need to invent a nuclear reactor and a time machine in their products to get an acceptance of the people?! LG already quit the Phonegame, cmon give them a break!
@@Braiam they justify it enough. Less than Half price for a better ultrabook.
@@sasaha8389 have u seen the M1 performance and what's inside the laptop? Why pity a big company when they make overprice laptop?🤨
@@Braiam Well... you can put this laptop and a MacBook Pro side to side and see the internals... one just gonna feel cheap
Still a fan of Anthony's videos for LTT. I wasn't sure why he was so negative about the laptop until the very end when he talked about the price. Yikes! If I knew that going in and then saw what Anthony saw, I'd be pissy too.
I mean if you don't like the stuff, it's right to be honest about it. When you got that price you expecting more, and this is underwhelming. You can't pleased everyone
I thought he was so bad. This laptop has been sitting at 1100$ for almost a whole year, and there is really nothing else like it on the market at any price point.
@@blue4059 You can get several comparable models from different manufacturers at lower than this price point. Not sure where you’re shopping.
@@blue4059 isn't this laptop brand new?
@@jesusbarrera6916 It has been available since February 2021.
One of my fav things about short circuit is the transparency around what the "reviewer's guide" from the brand says. From Anthony pointing out the info the brand left out and why that may be sus to James straight-up reading stuff consumers weren't meant to see, it gives useful insight into how the brands are thinking about their products and makes me trust this channel more than some other reviewers :)
we need more Anthony on here with the laptops. he is 1000000% right on calling out the bloatware and manufacturers giving us all of the information up front, not us (the consumer) going to look for it. for $2.2k, this laptop is not worth what you're getting.
It's barely worth 1K, at most....
Yeah, something like a blade 14 costs the same, has no bloat, and is only .8 lbs more with a 3070 and a machined aluminum chassis. And if you want a tablet just get a surface for 1k less. I don't see the usecase for something like this
Out of the box experience is important and the conclusion that a 2200 dollar laptop has bloatware installed is correct. It is a no go and a trend that has to stop.
I like the Gram line, but if this device is going to go head-to-head with the 16’ MacBook Pro, price-wise, then it’s going to get destroyed.
I'm fine with bloatware being pre-installed IF it means the price of the laptop is lower than it would be otherwise and I can uninstall it .
@@bizmonkey007 its supposed to be like half the weight of a macbook pro.
@@pompmag yeah if you're someone who cares about that stuff then you should already know how to debloat them
idc
I like how negative he is, I've tried an LG Gram myself due to Linus constantly praising that line, and had the exact same gripes as Anthony here.
Gram 14 is actually decent. 16 is meh because the chassis is so empty. 17 is even more empty, making it look like a piece of garbage
@@oMega-sm1eg I say the 16 is the sweet spot still, especially for those who need the larger screen for say spreadsheet or something. The people who buys the gram what they want, a super lightweight laptop that nails a good keyboard trackpad screen and decent speaker and still have good ports. Recently Costco has a great sales for these things for like 1400 for the 2in1 and 1000 for the clamshell. It’s a huge niche market but just the weight alone makes it just unmatched by anything on the laptop market
@@sentryion3106 Exactly, and that's the problem. Only LG is making such a large screen and lightweight device, so whoever wants that does not have a second choice. This enables LG to do whatever they want to their 16 and 17 lines to get more profit. Even putting a 13inch motherboard in, in a way that resembles a piece of garbage. It's such a huge shame that nobody else would step into this market and give LG a slap on their face.
@@oMega-sm1eg actually samsung galaxy book pro is also similar to the lg with an oled screen. Tbh i 100% understand the logic behind a 13in motherboard on a 16in since a)cutting cost (which doesnt mean much since these machines are expensive outside of salea) b) weight reduction. I mean theres no way lg is gonna put in anything more powerful than a quad core intel chip if they want to keep their identity of lightweight with a huge screen
@@sentryion3106 no its not. the samsung is like any other 15" laptop. what makes the gram worth it is the aspect ratio. 1600p vs 1440p wich is extremely hard to find affoardable. im currently looking for a laptop to use while i study cybersecurity online, i travel alot (partly live in norway and germany) so i would apriciate the extra screen relestate. and the massive battery. so far its dell xps at 2500 euros, LG gram, or some custom oems that is the only option.
Really respect the honesty. It's hard to find reviews sometimes that feel honest
absolutely brutal for the average laptops the LG Grams have become.
i think most of the brutal part comes from anthony who has a much more critical view than alex does. laptops honestly have not been super exciting for several years now. the apple laptops (and the ipad pro with the m1 chip) have been rather exciting, but aside from that... not really anything new since i bought my laptop 4 years ago.
@@azyrael96 true. As much as I despite apple as a company, the M1 is a great chip and it is a good step towards more ARM usage in the mobile branch (If we ignore that it's just ARM-based with unecessary closed protocols added). The battery life they can get out of it is astonishing. And surprisingly, the M1 Macbook is not that expensive. Of course it is not cheap, a few years ago the price difference between macbooks and laptops was a lot bigger.
On the other hand, the framework laptop is something I am very excited about. They managed to build a very slim and beautyful machine while remaining that repairable. With the framework being a thing I can't see myself spending money on any other laptop anymore. Just to show that I as a customer care about the way we handle e-waste.
@@cookie_space what's amazing about framework is that it's not just "repairable" but actively try to be modular
you could get a repairable laptop if you have a bunch of PCB connected with proprietary ribbon cable and complex plastic mating shape
but framework gives you almost off the shelves part, with CAD design for their expansion bay and doing all that with the thickness that won't attract any attention
it doesn't have those "recycled plastic" (which is basically just them too lazy to mix the plastic completely) look or the "cardboard" look from those company that just try to virtue signal, it's just a normal, aluminum chassis that if you don't tell me it's repairable, i'd still recommend for my friends and family (I kind of still need dedicated GPU tho)
@@azyrael96 and even so the newest MacBooks are only exciting because the past generation was so bad
@@aronseptianto8142 they definitly did a phenomenal job on designing it.
I also wish it had a dedicated gpu but I guess that's just not a thing in that size (there aren't many others with gpus in that category).
Maybe one day, they'll release a bigger model with a dedicated gpu inside...
They have so much potential with were to go and what to add as upgrades
An Anthony a day keeps the sadness away
Dude WTH
@@loouserguy236 ?
You were perfectly critical, I find that the engineering overall sucks on this gram and I would be perfectly fine if they ditched the "gram" weight altogether, and just worked on higher quality for a lower price. Considering the mac can do better than a full blown computer in some scenarios, this is a big scam with a empty and unused interior.
They could easily lower weight even more by half-ing the battery ;-)
@@alexmartian3972 or screw that weight ang give us twice the battery
@@bluecraney1 that is what they don't do, hence my comment.
This is probably the worst tech video I've seen since the Verge build video. Is the Macbook a convertible? Does the Macbook have a touch screen? Does the Macbook have Stylus support? No? Then don't be a moron and compare different class portable devices. Might as well compare it to a gaming desktop at that point.
You can get it right now with 16GB of memory for $1,200 US, so your pricing is way off too. The crap he complains about exist in practically every laptop. Also has Anthony ever actually used Windows? He says he could reinstall Windows to debloat it, WTF? Or you can just uninstall the offending programs, which takes 15 minutes.
Also these 3rd party apps have been a thing with every name brand laptop since the 90s. I want to know true negatives not your bad mood biases. I want to know if the trackpad is good, keyboard travel, battery life, weight compared to same class devices, etc...
Please don't let Anthony review another laptop.
I've owned about 40-50 laptops through my lifetime, the LG gram build quality has been really good actually.
@@TalynOne
If practicaly everyone sells you crap you do end up owning 50 laptops in a lifetime. Also don't see why it would be ok for LG to ship addware and spyware if someone else does it as well. If I pay 1200 euro for a laptop I dont't want the start of my experience be 15 minutes of making the thing less unnecessary shitty.
It's so refreshing to see someone actually criticising a laptop, soany reviews are just "yeah it's great buy this shit" but Anthony always feels methodical and analytical, and genuine criticims come to the surface. It just makes me trust Anthony even more when he says something is actually good!
More passive-aggressive laptop reviews from Anthony please.
No thanks
@@idkanymore3382 even though you cant see it I gave you a dislike
@@JIGL37 joining the dislike train
@@JIGL37 I like Anthony too, but what's all these crayziness about? Each time his videos come out ppl act as if jesus came back, I mean chill out guys
@@bluecraney1 I did too.
Give the consumers what they want!!!! Thank you Anthony, in 1 week, month, year, etc… when someone’s laptop breaks or they are simply searching for an upgrade, reviews like this matter. The tech industry is often filled with hyper inflating the positives and merely notes the negatives. Although, I never intended on getting this laptop, I appreciate you for informing future consumers who may benefit from this type of information -positive and negative- to make better buying decisions.
Most companies treat reviewers as free advertising. They move onto the next reviewer that gives them positive image.
Agreed. It's getting hard to find real, unbiased reviews on tech amidst all the hype and overly optimistic views. I enjoy the nitpicky reviews at they often get at the actual user experience, flaws and all, rather than a long form ad conforming to what a manufacturer allows you to know. All products have flaws and that's to be expected, but we can't make informed decisions without all the info. Real world useability can make or break a product for consumers and you can't find that in the marketing of said product.
Side note: I relied heavily on reviews as well as specs when picking out a new laptop for my mum. 5 years on and she still says its the best laptop she's ever owned. I know how to interpret specs, but real reviews are immensely important as there's so much more to a laptop than just the specs.
Well... I'll savor this review. They'll probably not have Anthony doing these kind of laptop reviews anymore. I can see companies asking to be reviewed by Alex's "standards" instead.
I hope ltt knows better. Bloatware on 2100 dollars machine is joke. Also soldered ram and screws under pads are fair complaints.
This is not even a review.
anthony holding back his smile while playing crab rave made my day
ANTHONY. We love your reviews thank you buddy
Anthony is just a very good person for stuff like this
OMG Can we please keep this as a running gag that Anthony is not in on. Where they tell him about one device that's really close to a different device that he has to review. This is hysterical --I'm loving every minute of it. ❤
I absolutely love how critical Anthony is. I hate seeing reviews that are all fake hype and influencer talk. This feels like a person actually reviewing the usability and consumer experience of the product; what a review should always be, not just someone who is biased attempting to sell an overpriced product.
See Anthony on the thumbnail of the video
Anthony: "Bet you're expected Alex for this one"
No Anthony, you can't fool me that easily
funny enough, I agree with Anthony. At this price point you should get a much better experience and components.
Saw this PC at the office today as a customer bought it new and we configured it. Weirdly enough, it came with Windows 11 build 22000.9, which is prerelease! It had the Windows 10 settings and notification panel, which of course was changed after a cumulative update to the latest version of Windows 11.
This is a 10+ minute demo reel for 'not angry, just disappointed.' And what a reel it was! 👍
4:45 🤣🤣🤣👊🍺 anthony deserves a beer for that comment, "i just work here""
Anthony is always a pleasure to watch and I bet he is a great guy to know and work with. Cheers guys and happy Christmas.
2011: "MacBooks are overpriced and have worse specs than PCs"
2021: "MacBooks are the same price or cheaper than PCs and have better specs"
I just hope Samsung and others get the memo and stop running the "make it as thin and lightweight as possible!" race which Apple realised was idiotic. I'd like a beefy Alder Lake Galaxy Book Pro, tho sadly it'll probably still be the same 1080p60Hz screen with meh speakers and no dGPU we have right now since the design was probably finished before Apple dropped them Mac Max.
2021: Still no MacBooks 2 in 1
@@sandelu635 But really who cares? I dont even use macs, but if I want to draw, I'll use a wacam tablet. If I want to type, I'll use a laptop, I never understood 2 in 1s
@@deidyomega ipad pro is kinda a 2 in 1 kinda because of ipados
@@gerardopadilla2666 nivida just dropped laptop specced 2050s, so possibly maybe?
I love how direct & logical Anthony is . It gives you faith that this is an honest over view. Good job !
I totally agree with you about the bloatwear. Totally annoying. Please have a reference machine for the sound test next time, alex always does it and it is a MUST have if i am to actually know how the speakers sound.
Overall, great review!
I ♥️ Anthony
I only pop up here from time to time. Mostly for Anthony :P I think Alex uses a MacBook and a Dell XPS for reference when it comes to sound. Though it doesn't matter that much to me, since I mostly use speakers or headphones. Good laptop speakers go in the category of 'nice to have'. And expected to have, given the price range. 2000+ dollars seems a lot to me. Maybe it isn't. Heck, I'm not looking to upgrade anything soon, and the prices went up so much during the pandemic. But before covid, 2000+ dollar laptops used to come with decent speakers.
I don't care about bloatware at all, you can just take 10min to remove all of them. Manufacturers get commissions for putting bloatware in and that money will finally go into the price and quality.
this was by far the best laptop review from an entertainment standpoint. Anthonys annoyed attitude made it very funny.
The eye roll at McAfee LiveSafe is exactly what I would’ve done.
I love this review, Anthony should do more laptop reviews. I really like the fact that he went over the bloatware and user experience.
You guys should do a dual review! Get Anthony and Alex to review the same item but don't tell them when it is happening and what item they will both be doing. Let them come to their own conclusions and see how it plays out!
I too would be pretty steamed if a manufacturer handed me an influencer cheat sheet instead of the actual information to do my job. Particularly if I was as knowledgeable in my field as Anthony is. Well said sir!
I don't typically watch laptop reviews, but Anthony drew me in. Between his consternation at getting the wrong model and the LTT filming in the background, this was beautiful.
Pure honesty and transparency regarding the reviewers guide. I love it, keep going like this. :)
I would be negative as well when comparing it to other products in the same "class". So often we just accept things the way they are because that's what the manufacturers make. The market has a lot more options. Keep doing reviews for us so we can be more informed consumers.
Anthony might just single-handedly drive down the sales of the Gram and I am all for it!
With that price tag, Gram is lacking in so many ways. They should focus on delivering value over yearly reboot of the same item with just basic necessity updates.
Plus the empty space! Speakers, batteries, extra ports, or even a place to put the pen. Come on bruh.
i agree with everything but the pen name a single device with a pen that you have owned you haven't lost even with a place to put it. also they tend to be pretty bad to boot.
@@bluecraney1 still have all my styluses 👍
Slotted RAM would be also possible with that much space left. There is barely anything in the case.
@@JerziTBoss True!
Anthony has the best reviews. Great sense of humor and chill, but honest and doesn’t just drink the OEM juice.
God damn Anthony makes these great reviews seem effortless. Dude is talented.
i agree about the bloatware, at this price it shouldn't be there
Been looking for a laptop. These videos always help
buy a framework if you can
We need more critical unboxing like this, not only basic functions. I demand more screen time for Anthony to unboxing more laptops!
Notice how there's not one comment complaining about the length/quality? Anthony kills it in every way. He sets an example as to how ShortCircuit SHOULD be, regardless of what the channel is called.
We are really happy that we “got” you Anthony instead of Alex. Nothing against Alex but you Anthony play in a different league…
Love Anthony's honest reviews. If I'm going to be spending 2k and it's not an apple, it better be perfect. This is far from it and I appreciate what Anthony is showing us
We need more Anthony on this channel. He is an absolute madman.
The only channel where you appreciate background shouting and noises. It's like the multiverse coming together.
Anthony is really the best reviewer on staff
Up until the end of the video I wasn’t getting it why Anthony is so negative about this $800-ish laptop.
Then I saw the actual price.
Yikes.
The way he said "elsewhere" made me imagine Alex being tied up somewhere on a chair, in a trunk, a wardrobe or somethinf
I can just imagine the reaction of the guy who designed the keyboard font. Reviewer: "It's too clear"
Anthony is the best, he just said it like it was. This is the kinda video I love, helps me decide my next laptop. 2000 or anything above 1k is not a cheap buy.
Bought the same model here - The wifi 6 card is waking the laptop while sleeping. I tried a fresh install of Windows 11, Windows 10, new network drivers, etc and still having the same issues. I tried 3 of the same computers and all of them have Windows events while closed. Strange issue for sure, not sure if I'll stick with this considering the priced paid.
Check for a BIOS update.
return that piece of junk.
Good suggestions - found that the Intel Wifi 6 driver was the cause of the issue (some Dell XPS users are having the same issues). I changed the setting to go to hibernate versus sleep when the lid is closed and it has solved the issue - strange stuff.
They don't need to add bloopers anymore because THIS WHOLE VIDEO IS A BLOOPER !!!!
Didn't know hearing Anthony rip on bloatware would be so therapeutic.
Knowing that I'm not the only one to be disgusted by it so much has made me feel understood in a way I haven't for a long time.
Anthony's videos are always super entertaining. Also, why is it we are like 2 weeks from 2022 and 1500+ dollar laptops still have 4c/8t CPUs. 2015 wants their CPU's back!
Just you wait until January
I completely agree with the many other commenters, this type of review for any device is absolutely needed, great review Anthony!
The gram in this video seems directionless, filled with short comings when compared to a Surface Pro, Lenovo Yoga or a Dell 2 in 1.
Out of context, "Alex is...elsewhere" sounds like Anthony has him gagged and tied to a chair in an abandoned warehouse 🤣🤣🤣
I like the letter to Colton being fired lol
I like when Andy reviews stuff. Everyone else talks about crap like deck flex and revision number etc. Andy reviews like someone I play online games with telling me their experiences with a product I am interested in.
Anthony.
I didn't know the price until the end and lord did I get his frustration. For that amount you'd rather get the MacBook Pro 14" or a competing windows laptop
"I dunno what's going on, I just work here." Is mood
When Anthony is in the video: A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one nonetheless!
LG is so frustrated right now that Anthony reviewed it critically and are now going to make sure to pay extra to get Alex to review it exclusively.
I'm pretty sure LTT does not take bribes and lets the manufacturer decide who reviews what.
You need to take into account, this is not a review, this is a first impressions.
Alex covers what is mentioned as a talking point that he agrees with, and then glosses a bit over the negatives, that's it.
In this case they were dumb enough to give no sheet or anything to Anthony, so Anthony can say whatever he likes, their mistake.
Yo, a lot of the Wacom stuff do use batteries, like AES, so it really might be a Wacom pen/digitiser. EMR's the older passive stuff, and isn't seen too often anymore (unfortunately, since it's better in some ways)
It is better in *most ways, not some. AES was a cash grab done solely because their license for their old EMR had expired and they needed to sell something, but they still kept developing on EMR and every single one of their premium tablets are EMR for a reason. AES is a "Do what I say not what I do" marketing moment. Tho mind you it isn't becoming rare, Samsung has always used it, and most pen displays are EMR, be it Wacom, Huion, XP-Pen, etc. It's just rare in laptop devices who just go with whatever they are sold the cheapest.
Always sad to see companies choosing either MPP/N-Trigg or AES when the people who care about it all prefer EMR, but then I guess we are just not appealing enough compared to those which are fine with active pens. But hey, at least some companies get the memo sometimes, like the Acer Ezel 7 getting EMR instead of its cheaper 3 counterpart which uses AES, kinda wish both were EMR tho.
Emr is better in every way really but it cost more
@@Natsukashii1111 The license for current Wacom perhaps, old one is already public IIRC and EMR is actually cheaper to build.
The only issue is having to use and set an extra digitizer for touch input and in the case of the old EMR it had some cursor drift around the edges the company might need to debug if going that route. There's also the fact most EMR pens end up with a single button instead of two (Think that was also Wacom's fault, tho I honestly forgot if that was the case or just coincidence) which can be a turn off for some, thus not in everything, but they are fixable and for the most part irrelevant to the user indeed if that's what you mean.
@@gerardopadilla2666 Samsung has a good relationship with Wacom (it does have a 5% stake) so perhaps no other laptop manufacturer can get Wacom EMR nowadays. I certainly haven't seen one in years. AES is not the best but at least the battery can last for a year.
@@torpedospurs I'd agree, but I gave you an example, the Acer Ezel 7 uses EMR, Fujitsu also uses EMR they are just more difficult to find in local stores and can be a pain for some having to ship them, not to mention spec wise the Galaxy Book right now might be the better option either way. Microsoft used to use EMR before they bought N-Trigg, and you have all the other pen display companies using EMR on their own R&D which I doubt are Wacom license anymore. So I quite doubt they can't, they're most likely just swayed by marketing speeches to buy active pen tech without actual knowledge of benefits, same reason why companies pay for Denuvo when everyone hates it and major companies have prove they can succeed just the same without it. That or they simply wanted to cheap out or just copy the Surface and iPad which use active pen (without realising they do that only because they own it).
Honestly.. wish Anthony was the main Laptop Reviewer. No offense to Alex because he's awesome but Anthonys honesty and no sugar coating vibes resonates with me.
Respect the honesty and showing the confusion process as well
This is my favourite review of the year!
Glad you liked it!
@@ShortCircuit Actually this guy is terrible. Fire him
I have been using a gram for the last 2 years. I love it for my specific use case. It's perfect for Linux. I have Fedora installed from Day 1. Fingerprint sensor doesn't work but as there is no dedicated GPU, so power management is well optimized and gives close to Windows battery life.
They list it so that the consumer absolutely knows it's not included instead of assuming it does.
Also Anthony killed it! Great vid!
When Anthony said "what Alex does do is..." my wife and I yelled crab rave!
Loool ohhhhooo.... what am i doing with my friday
THIS is a good review
We want other really honest and spontaneous reviews like this
Thank you so much for addressing the bloatware.
Dab on that bloatware... *DAB ON THAT BLOATWARE!!*
I Love the fact Anothony gave LG the first fully truthful review they have had... Great Job Anothony and LG PLEASE Listen to his complaints each and everyone!
Very fair review and as always Anthony says it how it really is, reminds me a lot of how Tech Jesus Steve tells manufacturers a few home truths! Manufacturers need to hear this sort of stuff, coz they won't listen to the lonely consumer.
Having had the 15" laptop version of this gram for work, I thought it was pretty great though I didn't pay for it so am biased. But I've also bought 2 in 1s and just don't think they're worth the inevitable markup or hardware penalties.
I like having a 2 in 1 as a secondary machine. My desktop for most things but when I go places I like the portability of my 2 in 1. Plus the only game I play is Minecraft (bedrock) and my 2 in 1 can do it at 4k so I'm pretty happy.
The instant the "Linus: [Incoherent Screaming]" caption appeared, my cat started meowling. 😆
I love the grammarly ad in which Colton is fired again.
If MacBooks had better software compatibility this wouldn't even be a contest. A MacBook Pro 13 weighs around the same, performs basically the same but has much better battery life, better, if smaller, screen, better speakers, better price (around 600$ cheaper), better trackpad. Just check if you can run what programs you want on the MacBook and if so go for that
The air competes better in this instance and a full specked MBA with a 2 tb ssd and still be in below the grams price which is shocking imo
@@alexmeek610 you're right I don't think the Pro is really a good choice for most people considering a laptop like this
edit: for some reason I forgot the Air exists
I agree with Anthony, bloatware at this price point is criminal.
I haven't looked at the font of my keyboard once, till today, thanks Anthony
I like how grammarly came to the rescue after I finished all of my exams.
The review for stylus was lacking imo. This laptop does not look worth for the price if not for the stylus. Would be nice to see usage at least in ms paint- to know how fast it responds to pen tip touching the screen, how much force it needs, if it works well at the edges and so on.
for 2k dollars having that much lag is stupid, i wouldnt recommend a 60hz panel for drawing/designing
I have this and the first thing I did was try the stylus in Photoshop. It's very responsive, the lines are straight with no checkmarking at the end of the stroke. I didn't notice any lag when drawing (you get three nibs total; writing nib is preinstalled, with a spare in the packaging as well a drawing nib)
My main gripe with it is the cooling solution. It's gowdawful, the low profile feet it has (to make sure the screen lays flat when in tablet mode) effectively chokes the machine out. It can get super hot.
For studying, taking notes, and LIGHT drawing, it's perfect. I say light drawing because of the cooling solution. LG cannot claim any compliments for the stylus because it's a WACOM pen, not a proprietary pen. It's meant to do what it does flawlessly.
It has a lot of flex, the screen flexes hard as well especially when you're just walking around with it in your hand with the lid open (like going from a table to the couch).
I love it but I am so disappointed. I don't have buyer's remorse but there was so much more they could have done with it.
Love you Anthony!!
4:45 🤣🤣🤣
I love Anthony; "I don't know, I just work here." 😐😂
I love Anthony. Please let him make more reviews of laptops. He cares about what I care: efficient use of space, no crapware ,usb A, repairability and upgradability. Edit: wait a minute... Where is the Ethernet port? manufacturers have to stop selling crap.
I wish Tech reviewers understood how excellent having a pen tablet is for a student. Keyboard for taking notes is ONLY good until you have to write anything but basic text. As soon you have diagrams, mathematics or complex symbols, you're fucked.
Ehh. LaTeX is pretty good
@@errorerror6918 Uhhhh for taking notes?
@@owl1796 If you're fast enough it's okay but you gotta create a ton of shortcut commands. I tried and failed on many occasions because my typing accuracy is pretty low so i'd hit error after error. I'm sure someone who's very experienced and a fast + accurate typer would do okay.
What kind of student can fork over 2200 bucks just to take notes exactly?
@@kurgo_ was thinking the same thing...university students the richest of the bunch...heard they eat caviar daily.
Bloatware, empty chassis with some generic looking pcbs spaced 2moons apart, unnecessary small speakers, bad io, no fullsize sd card reader. That laptops belongs out of the box right into the bin.
God damn Anthony that "hallo" had me in stitches. You're my absolute favorite LTT guru.
"you could make some big-ol' cans here" you TELL EM Anthony
When Walmarts Gateway gaming laptops allow you to upgrade ram AND Storage at a low price it just shows how much of price youre paying for just the branding
I'm not opposed to soldered stuff. It makes things smaller, more integrated, and more energy efficient. It's also usually cheaper to make. For a laptop focused on efficiency, it's a good thing. Just be sure to get what you will need for your use case.
@@LiveType maybe cheaper to make but expensive for people to buy
@@LiveType This thing should cost 800 max. That's how much i paid for a 2 in 1 lenovo for my dad last year that does everything this thing here can and had no bloatware. 1165g7 might be a little better than the 1035g1 but the people to whom performance matters would not buy a 4c laptop with no dGPU either way.
I trust Anthony's judgement. If he has a criticism of a product, you know there's a good reason for it. He sees through the lies of the Manufacturers.
We need more Anthony videos, we need his criticism to force manufacturers to step up their products level!
lmao I loved the email about iced creams during the Grammarly ad