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Is Linux The ANSWER??? - JingPad A1 Tablet
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- Опубликовано: 12 авг 2024
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Apple has basically dominated the market when it comes to tablet devices with the iPad. Samsung is still trying, Microsoft has made attempts, but it seems like no one can take the crown. JingPad wants to take a shot with the A1 and use their own version of Linux as the OS!
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 - Intro
1:06 - Unboxing
2:04 - Exterior first impressions
3:00 - Sponsor - Linode!
3:35 - Keyboard impressions
4:40 - Trying out JingPad
5:35 - Camera impressions
6:55 - Product overview and specs
10:11 - Install apps and impressions
12:32 - Audio speakers impressions
13:20 - Final thoughts
I would love to see Linus rage at using this for a week.
The only problem is he'd have to charge it every hour of actual use.
He needs to use it for a month
If he they’ll give it like a year it might improve by a lot!
Or just give him the jingpad and tell him its a new ipad :D
Clicking Download is too hard for linus
we need a "linux with anthony" series, starting with basics of use all the way to LFS
or archbytheway
I saw a lot of gentoo memes, and when i got my old 2012 laptop working i went on to download a gentoo iso and install it
And i did it, like 1st time
Yes a lot of stuff that i wish were automated but yeah it works now
Edit: my brother is aware of the gentoo memes and when i told him i was using gentoo he flipped out, bcz i am actually an autist, so it "makes sense" that i got it 1st time
installing gentoo really isn't all that difficult
LTT should just go by the wayside and let it be Anthony Tech Tips.
That series will not do very well.Thats the reason they are not making it
GIMP didn't do pressure sensitivity because it was disabled: Brush Dynamics were set to "Off" in the brush tool settings.
I'd expect that to be something that is turned on automatically.
Should have used Krita not Gimp.
@@xpyr its also disabled by default in photoshop though
@@notuxnobux you're right.
@@blackcitadel37 he wants to but it just crashes
Anthony: "Does anyone actually buy galaxy tabs?"
Me, watching on a galaxy tab I bought: *feels baaaad*
I just ordered one yesterday for black Friday lol
After a arm windows tablet now for over 2years i have a galaxy tab s6
Yo I have an tab s7 I use it as a touchscreen
It doesn't, Galaxy Tabs are great devices. CPU-side not as performant as their M1 counterparts, but definitely capable of some professional work.
@@Tarets I think they didn’t mean the tablet was bad but they meant be singled out as the minority group?
Yes, Linus should definitely try to use that for a week. That would be some amazing content.
Maybe not right now. I think he has used enough linux for this year. But i would love to see that too 🙂
It would be a rage fest. Especially when that would potentially mean him replacing his Z Fold 3.
Not with that SOC, give him something that might actually be useful to him.
He would delete x11 again trying to install some random shit
Nah anyone but that clown.
for a first gen product, not too bad. some software polish (maybe working w/ the plasma team for tighter integration), better power management and a more powerful soc and a 2nd or 3rd gen product might be a great daily driver if you want a tablet w/ a little more
Also, most Linux power users have no problems when dealing with janky experiences. I'm giving that in exchange for a more powerful terminal and I'm happy with it.
I don’t think they’re gonna work with the Plasma Team but I the rest I think is true
Yeah, but if you go Apple you get the powerful terminal and it's not janky experience. Sometimes I wonder if Linux users just don't know that OS X has bash, zsh, and basically the full suite of GNU/BSD utilities (some out of the box, others through MacPorts and Homebrew) under the hood. These days as long as it doesn't depend on X11, you can probably build it for MacOS.
I agree, i was not expecting this to be great as a first gen, but I think second gen, with better hardware and software will be better to recommend.
@gilkesisking That's the thing, even if the "geniuses" don't know what it is, it's all there. Out of the box. Even vim. You can turn on the sshd server, even.
Not sure what you mean by "access to the system" though. Can you be more specific? I used Linux exclusively as my daily from 1995 to like 2010 and don't feel limited in macOS. A lot of the things you might need access to 'the system' for in Linux are simply not necessary on MacOS. Like you don't have to worry about drivers, for example. You would never need to recompile a kernel. I can start and stop services from the terminal. I can manage a whole suite of packages with macports or homebrew from the commandline. What else do you need?
I was super into this till I saw the SoC and the price, one of those two things needs to change to make this a viable product. Also would like to know if it supports a display out, would love a device like this with a more powerful SoC and support for an external display.
It doesn't support display out
Price would be fine with a good SoC.
With Linux, the SoC doesn't really matter. It's about usable performance.
@@farishanafiah8461 Well I'd say its not super usable performance wise if even Anthony was saying the SoC is hampering the experience. If linux is gonna be more main stream it needs to not be barely functional, or just "good enough". Consumers want something that is pleasant to use.
It's all depends on what Linux with what DE you will use on it. You can always install a distro of your choice and rearange the interface. I don't know how gestures will work, but this tablet is for people who want a Linux tablet. Comparing it to iPad is not fair since iPad has propertiary OS made for the device. And perfecting the experience took years and lots of money. This is a new product with FOSS operating system and software. It needs some time to mature like System76 products.
I own tab s7+, its great device. Im a developer and spend most of my time at computer screen. When its time to relax i watch netflix, youtube or read on my tablet in bed. I also carry it around instead of laptop. I just remote connect to my work Desktop machine if needed. Its awesome for notes, hands down only non Apple tablet as responsive like pen and paper. Oled screen is awesome. And samsung dex is just a cherry on top.
Edit: im actualy watching this video and writing this on my tablet.
Yeah I was like "ouch" when he said that Galaxy Tab bit. I have an S7 FE and it's great. Seems like a super fast tablet, with a nice big screen. And the official keyboard cover for it isn't bad. Makes a nice tablet to use relaxing at home and a nice little mobile workstation if you're using remote dev environments. For reading on the go, I have a Galaxy Tab A7 Lite which is a bit laggy but is super compact for reading on the bus and stuff.
Cool
Really like my Tab S7fe.
DEX mode, pen, monitor connection.
Only thing holding it back is NO BROWSER EXTENSIONS!
@@sccpresident A bit late but kiwi browser supports extensions :> some doesn't work as well as it does on desktop though.
I'm loving the push for Linux ya'll are doing recently. Its tough to get in to, but I want to get away from windows, and this has been very helpful
believe me its not that hard i recommend you start with manjaro or pop os
booted up my linux dual boot the other day and almost cried from how much better it was xD
and that's with me installing kali like an idiot. Even broken, linux is far less of a hassle, far faster, and far cleaner to use.
id rather spend 3 hours stumbling in the dark and actually learning, than 3 hours being decieved about how much control I have over my computer
@@mojs0 Why would you recommend Manjaro? It seems rather difficult, Pop OS for begginers, Ubuntu too because whatever people say as a noob I've had the hardest time breaking this distro out of all.
@gilkesisking I disagree.
Had no issues with Ubuntu or PopOS on multiple Dell laptops and desktops from different years.
@@PKM1010 I switched 2 months ago from Windows to Pop OS and after 2 weeks to Manjaro. PopOS is easier and I havent had any issues with it. I prefer Manjaro because of I feel, the benefits of Arch and rolling release and not too much bloat paired with user friendlyness. Basically I used Pop OS to try out different Desktop environment and those things, once I knew what I wanted I went to Manjaro and installed my stuff.
PopOS is easier IMO but 2 weeks for a first time linux desktop user isnt doesnt seem that bad (I did know basic BASH beforehand though)
Honestly I’d rather see you take a shot at installing a different distro as a follow up with this device. Would show the reason people would really want a Linux tablet over apple or android
Can't you do the same on any device anyways?
@@Anankin12 Of course you can. But an ARM tablet is something of an unprecedented platform for linux, so it's pretty interesting.
@@ciscam actually it's not that easy. PCs are a very open platform with a standard BIOS or UEFI, and a standard processor. ARM devices aren't like that. You have to compile U-BOOT per device and sometimes need a modified kernel as well. Even if you get one tablet manufacturer who releases source code for their device it doesn't mean that it will work on another tablet, even one that has the same SoC. There's just a complete lack of standardisation and usually little to no vendor support. The most open source friendly SoC is of course the BCM one in Raspberry Pi devices but that SoC just isn't available in other suppliers tablets.
@@Anankin12 you can but Linux does not support the vast majority of phones out there. This is a device specifically made for Linux.
Maybe if he tried UB Ports with it, it would be cool.
I have a samsung tab s 7+ and these are actually amazing for note taking and drawing with the 120 hz. I think it would make a really good video because of your many ipad videos. Kinda like "Is this an actual competitor to the ipad?" With some ltt guy looking very confjsed In the thumbnail. Also the s pen can also hover (the pen is included)
I agree, also own a S7+. It has amazing speakers, is thinner than most phones, and has great battery life. Hope they make a video on it
@@DominicKrall exactly! I actually run ubuntu via termux on this badboy for libre office and also samsung dex which is.... much more of a computer than an ipad ever could be.
I got a fold 3 recently and it's replaced my laptop for note-taking in class with its spen. I'm really tempted to get a tab s8 when they come out
@@complimentaryrandomnessinc3137 I got my Fold 3 to replace my Tab S7 but I want the Tab S7 back so much lol. Love my Fold 3 but the Tab S7 is a beast in it's own
Yeah, Samsung does a really good job with one UI on those tablets, especially if you're interested in productivity. Dex etc... I don't like Samsung phones very much, but I think their tablets are great. If you were a student or a teacher, you can get the tab S7 with $512 GB of storage for $460 bucks and they throw in a pair of Galaxy buds Pro.
This has so much potential! It seems already in a state where one can use it for some use cases very well. Once they ironed out some of the drawbacks this can really take off. A linux tablet proper would be awesome!
"you can install Linux on like a Surface"
_me running Pop!_OS on my Surface watching this video_ 👀
As anthony said, the SoC that brings this down. I hope more Linux tables/phones will pop up in the upcoming years. Given that the whole thing is open source and developed by the community, it could give ppl a free, friendly and safe platform to work with.
The problem with linux tablets could be the “incompatibility” with all linux distributions.
@@pietdegeling4696 also trying port desktop version of a distro to arm(don't work too well)
@@pietdegeling4696 that will change in a few years.
There is already a free, friendly, safe, and open source Linux distro for tablets and phones.
It's called Android.
@@herranton android is not free(the one that's pre-installed on phone), there isn't one for arm, friendly yes, safe no no no
I feel it would benefit this channel greatly to have Linus spend a week enjoying the delights of this curious device.
You need to setup pressure sensitivity both in preferences and in the specific brush settings (pressure dynamics setting) in GIMP
Looks at that a devoted $700 device for flashing my Raspberry Pis
I actually tried to flash my motherboard bios from smartphone, but it just stuck nearly at the beginning. Flashed with MacBook from work in the end.
just get a tab s5e and flash linux on it (⌐■-■)
Why think so small?! You could flash IoT stuff, too. Program them with MicroPython, and possibly SSH into other computers. :-P
@@chrisw1462 any Android tablet could ssh into something, dunno about python ide on droid
@@chrisw1462 My word, you're right.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on Linus & Luke’s Linux Challenge when all of the parts are out, Anthony.
I'm pretty sure they mentioned on the WAN show that something along those lines is planned
watching Anthony geek out on device specs and operating systems is my favorite thing ever and should be a channel all on its own.
JingOS itself seems to be where the real promise is. I'd love to see it loaded onto a better tablet(perhaps a surface even) to see how it performs and acts in comparison to an apple device.
I saw a Linux Based Tablet + Anthony and im already here.
One thing I woulda liked is a better Stylus. Only reason I would get a device like this is as a portable Sketchbook/Drawing pad + Entertainment device and a bad Pen Experience is pretty much a big No for me.
That aside this is a very cool device, would def really like to see this product improve more, maybe have a few more companies throw their take on it.
On some video from JingLing (the manufacturer) I commented on the high latency in their video as well because I'm actually looking for a proper tablet running Linux to use for drawing (using Gimp, MyPaint, Krita or even Blender). They told me they are working on it. So maybe they can tweak the drivers to improve it further.
It would definitely be awesome to see some Linux running hardware for artists.
I kinda wanna get a tablet for school with 2 screens! One for notes and the other one for school books!
Honestly, I've been testing the A1 running an Android rom, and with how the pen has been on Android with proper Hardware Acceleration, once full Hardware acceleration is working under Linux, I think it'll be much better!
@@eqixtechnology8173 Can you upload a video for a comparison? I would be interested if it could be worth getting one in the future.
@@TheJackiMonster Sure! I'm uploading a video on my channel soon on flashing the firmware and I'll add comparisons and such!
HP and Lenovo have had many tabets over the years that could run Windows or Linux, several could be bought with Linux installed.
were they ARM-based though?
Arm?
@@utfigyii5987 ARM is a type of processor architecture. your PC is probably using x86, whereas most mobile devices use ARM, check online for more details on the differences.
@@SeliasteTM i can but no. and you stand in the way of not being able to not do it.
@@chrisakaschulbus4903 ?
0:09 literally watching this video on a galaxy tab. Didn't know you were my son. I'm proud of you
They got a Linode ad! This channel is becoming more and more linux related
The Galaxy Tab is suprisingly good. Pretty nice Office apps and multitasking functionality with the keyboard is probably all a lot of people need. If I didnt need an IDE on my Laptop I could probably fully switch. But its also not for older people, since even with a mouse it's still just a touch cursor.
I've got a Tab, and it does what I want a tablet to be - a roughly page-sized display that I can read things on. I don't expect it to do heavy-lifting.
I also have a Tab. Been using various Tabs for about 6 years, and was great when I had surgery and couldn't sit at my computer. Now I use it to play a few games, but mostly use it as a stream deck for OBS.
I had the Galaxy tab S6 and i hated every minute of it. For me, it was just a large phone, and i am waaaaay happier with the ipad air. But your milage may vary
@@anyGould Exactly. For couch/bed-based content consumption, it works great. I don't rely on my tablet to do much else as either my phone is better for portable needs and my PC better for power needs. But neither gives me a 10" screen for browsing and reading while relaxing around the house.
@@riiobo That's because they're all larger phones, the iPad also used iPhone's OS for a long time, and even now iPadOS is almost the same in terms of app support, just a different UI and more multitasking capability, but you have something similar with Galaxy Tab in the form of Dex so... It's really a to each their own situation.
Hey! I use my galaxy tab s6 daily, great for note taking and school stuffs, and I don't have to carry a laptop around
Do you use a phone with it as well? I did that a while ago & it became annoying quite quickly
10:58 "Oh I didn't do apt update, this could destroy everything" nice one Anthony.
Protip for Anthony, rather than retyping `apt get install krita` with the sudo, you can just type `sudo !!` and it will re-run the last command appended to the sudo. (previous command is aliased as !! in bash)
As one of the weirdos who actually likes Android tablets,
I can confirm there is a version of Krita on Android, other than a weirdly thick top bar containing a single hamburger menu, and only being usable in landscape, it actually works really well.
@DS The implication in the video was that Android tablet users are weirdos, so I ran with that for comedic effect.
"worse things to spend my money on....like a Librem phone". Savage, true, and well-deserved shot.
Damn straight!
Unlike this device, the Librem 5 actually runs on a Linux version somewhat close to upstream and not ancient Linux + proprietary Android drivers.
I own a Galaxy Tab S7 for about half a year now and i have to say i actually love it more than i expected and think they are seriously underrated these days, especially at their price point. I initially just bought it because i didn't need a new phone, but got a new device included with my provider every 2 years. And as I already have lots of Samsung stuff i decided to test it out. It's super responsive, 120hz display with variable refresh rate, the pen is amazingly fast (and also hovers!) and accurate for notes and the occasional sketch for work (I'm an architecture student), the screen is nice, the speakers are actually quite amazing and i never had any problems with it so far. It's light, fast and with the additional keyboard case even very useful for meetings and mails.
After testing it out for some time now i have to say those are seriously overlooked and a very, very compelling alternative to the iPad (even the Pro), with great integration in the Samsung/Google cosmos with notes, calendars etc. It also has a nice battery runtime of at least 3-5 days depending on usecase which makes it extra useful for me who often just throws it in my backpack without looking for the battery percentage...
Makes me recall my old Sharp Zaurus device. Linux based it was a mini laptop and the screen could be rotated to make a (rather thick) tablet too. Probably the coolest tech product I’ve ever owned (probably 20 yeas ago), and I actually still have it.
Linus is the answer... No, wait - Anthony has the answer...always!!!
Beat me to it! haha
@@hjr2000 I actually read the title wrong, I read "Is Linus the ANSWER???" - so I had to drop a comment...
Linus doesn’t know shit as much as he likes to make people think. Anthony is definitely the brains behind it all.
Yes, I would love to see more Linux devices and tablets too, Anthony! Maybe someday Linux will be ready to do the job. After ALL this time, it really sucks that it is not there yet.
To be completely fair Linux has never been marketed to do *this* - specifically Linux is lightyears ahead of other OSs in other areas but just not so much in the consumer sphere yet...
There's not much I cannot do with Linux. (Besides gaming? Which the steam deck is doing a lot to help with making it not an issue unless you want bleeding edge gaming) And it's evolving all the time. I wiped windows from my third and remaining computer the other night. It's nice to see a laptop that never had more than 4 gb of ram be able to utilize 7 out of 8. Improved battery times and therefore health/lifespan. I'm sure there's situations/circumstances that require one to use this or that platform for work or whatever but for personal use; it's just more efficient then windows is to me.
Windows seems to be primarily a gaming platform these days.
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 You do realize that Windows is on nearly 80 percent of computers worldwide, right? The vast majority of them do not have gaming capable graphics cards in them...in the massive Windows ecosystem, gaming is very much a niche market, despite it's social and cultural relevance among many people. So, your assumption is incorrect.
@@claycassin8437 Umm, no. Remember that that Android device in your pocket or purse is a “computer”, and there are more of those than there are Windows PCs.
Thank you for the honest and thorough review… was seriously considering getting one, but now that I know about the crappy mic/audio (I teach music online), I’ll pass for now 😬 at least until I find viable add on solutions
I have run ubuntu mate on an old Asus T100A for two years now. Works fine as a convertible tablet someone gave me because Windows 8 didn't work on it any more. But no stylus...
The fact we keep asking the question in itself is the answer
That question was being asked ever since I was a teen…, 25 years ago.
Damn I was actually sold on this thing until the price. This needed to be around $400-500 (mainly with that underpowered chip) for it to be viable.
unless the next gen really upgrades the chip or significantly reduces the price, this is not going to make it here.
Like they said. It has OLED and comes with everything you need
@@DarkSoul-ds2 I am far less concerned with the screen and resolution, at this size 720p would look fine IMO.
But if it can't do the basic functions like I want at a reasonable pace, I'm not going to justify it.
The pen is not an issue for me (although some it would be) the rotate isn't an issue (I can fix that with a script).
The functionality and speed is by far and away my biggest focus for any tech equipment I buy/own.
@@DarkSoul-ds2 except for a decent SoC
@@jseen9568 Hey they put the price below USD 400 with the code NEWYEAR until February 10
@@yourTuBaer yup, but I couldn't get the A1 (due to Covid?) but got the C1 and it's in Chinese! Ugh. Going to try to flash KDE Plasma Mobile like on the A1 ... if that's possible.
Im running fefora on a 15 inch touch screen dell I got, the experience is superb. Gnome feels like it was designed for touch screen. However, as you found with gimp, a lot of those heavy apps don't work great with touch screen, so it definitely needs the keyboard and trackpad to be used for proper work
I think if they could get a decent high performance SOC in it, and as long as the nib on the stylus shattering isn't a complete indicator of the quality of their plastics, it's an interesting tablet. I think it's likely economy of scale and other factors driving the price up to where it is. I honestly would have expected a 300 to 350 price range. Devinately seems like an interesting tinker toy though
A few i teresting things about the tablet.
1. Because the soc is unexplored territory (like most weird arm SoCs) it only uses software rendering for the UI. This not only kills the performance but also the battery. Good thing is that at least with the new releases of Jing OS it does get fixed over time.
2. As for the price and recommending it to people... I myself as a Linux user probably wouldn't the way it is now at least. (unless you want to support Linux tablets)
3. (And this is more aimed at the company) they could try doing x86 emulation with box86 or maybe even android containerization via WayDroid.
EDIT: OH WOW I did some research for a few minutes and found some things.
First off features like screen rotation and split screen are coming. And there is also an update that should allow Android support(along with an early beta test image)
It seems like most of these issues will be resolved in March 2022 and I hope by then Jing OS reaches 1.0(its now at 0.9.1)
Thx for looking all of this up.
The SoC ist still gonna hold it back tho. With propper performance, even "just" a flagship Smartphone SoC, this would be a no brainer for me. I have a Surface Pro 7 for taking notes and such but the fact that the stylus doesn't work on Linux is really annoying.
In hindsight I should have gotten a convertible from Lenovo or another brand with open drivers, but at the time I got it there were no equally good alternatives
@@arouraios4942 For me, the SoC could literally be the best on the market and it'd still be a no-go. Like Huawei, Unisoc is in direct control from the Chinese regime. The danger of having some malicious stuff built in is just too great for it to be a great experience, as far as I am concerned.
This makes me want to research more about changing my tab S7’s OS to Linux. Maybe not right now as I'm still receiving updates, but when Samsung drops it maybe a good Linux distro for tablets might not be a bad option. The tab s7 was great for studying and taking notes, but since I'm starting some more serious things I've been seeing the drawbacks of Android for everyday use (mainly lacking some important software)
android emulation on Linux is also coming along fast :)
Your S7 already runs Linux, just sayin...
@@sokacsavok Of course of course, that doesn't many it has any of the functionalities though. What OS my device runs, or even what it's based on, matters little as long as I can do with it what I want to do with it. As far as I know I don't have the skills to make Linux x86 applications work in Android, so my best option still seems to be changing the OS.
@@infiniti4654 You can't do that with a "plain" Linux on an ARM device either. You would have to emulate it. It depends more on the hardware.
"(mainly lacking some important software)"
boy do i have some bad news...
Battery drain can be explained by the network (4G/5G etc) selector.
My galaxy s21 elite drained from 85% to 40% in Just 4 hours, until I dissabled the 5G network (leaving 4G), now I can do almost 2x workdays of fulltime screentime (youtube, meetings, calls, etc) without recharging.
i would like a few more tablet videos, like how do you guys feel about the galaxy s7+ tab. is it worth it?
I'd love to see this succeed, and I was seriously consider buying one to help work on the software, but it seems like there are some problems. The only thing they've actually published on their github is a 6 month old version with no ARM support, so you have no way of knowing what you're actually running if you download the latest build from their website... and you can't run your own software or customize anything (let alone contribute improved code back to the project, which they seem to need!). I've been using regular old Gnome on several x86 tablets for years, and the battery life they're claiming is no better than what I've always gotten on intel. That's more or less the main reason I'd like to switch to ARM so I'm not sure how this improves over any of the x86 tablets I already own
@@djr5759 no, I'm sure the actual build running on the device is native ARM, the problem is just that they haven't published any updated OS code in the main repo for six months, and the old version that's available is marked as not being ARM compatible
I own a JingPad and follow every updates about JingLing. It seems they will open the source code in the next few days
just get a tab s5e or s4 and flash linux on it
Dang, not bad. I hope they keep improving these as I would love a proper Linux tablet (having access to the terminal? Heck yeah) to play around with.
Looks overall nice, it does need some software tweaks and obviously a better SoC, this one is miles behind even an A11, which they do need to sort out if they ever want to compete.
The Lenovo Chromebook Duet is $299 CAD, comes with a magnetic stand and keyboard and you can buy their stylus for $40 or any other USI stylus. It also has fantastic battery life. You can install and run android apps and use all the linux apps you want via their linux container. The only downside is the SOC is a little slow.
The Galaxy Tabs like the Tab S7 / S7+ are actually quiet good. I my self actually have one, it runs as smooth as butter and using it for school with Samsung Notes also works great. ^^
I am watching this on my tab s7 :D
@LumpyArbuckle bruh no its using a 865 plus
@LumpyArbuckle screen size and quality? stylus? new battery? all this in your 60$ phone?
Android store is holding it down, the only apps designed for tablets are those sponsored by Samsung
Gonna have to concur.
Theres a lot of things to criticize about the Samsung Ecosystem, but as a decent competitor to the Apple Ipads, the Galaxy Tab S7/S7+ is probs the best youre gonna get for a while. Although theres been some interesting competition arising in the horizon.
The Lenovo P11 Pro has pretty good performance for its price range. Nice screen too last I checked, hampered by awkward availability though.
If you are fine with Foreign Tablets, the Xiamo Pad 5 is also an option, although the Pen on it is not as nicely built as the stated.
I think Linux/Android Tablets still have a long way to go before the Software matches the Prowess of the Apple Ecosystem, but the Hardware is very easily available now and will bring some more interesting challengers to the Galaxy Tab Series.
I grabbed a Galaxy Tab S7 not long ago, and I honestly love the thing
I love when this dude is on the videos, make them greater!
This seems like a great option if you want to do programming on a tablet since you can run the full suite of programming tools and text editors that support Linux and, to my knowledge, iPadOS still doesn't support any IDEs. Sounds like it'd be useful for college students majoring in CompSci.
Hey LMG team... can we get a LMG birthday stream like the one 3 yrs ago? But with the whole (or most of the) team?
I just bought one yesterday knowing that the OS is still early days. They are working on making Android apps work in the coming months which if that happens and they get the OS devloped futher than I think it will make a great device for me. I have only used Linux for many years now and I currently am carrying a pinebook and a Galaxy Tab S4. I personally hope that this will be able to take place of both these devices at some point for me and I want to see more Linux devices like this be available with good user experiences so I am willing to put my money down and support this project with hopes for the future.
I am tempted to get a Galaxy Tab S4 as well. Maybe a Tab S6 if I can find one cheap enough.
I've been looking at it for a while but haven't made the jump. Because I have a dilemma, I would love you're help and opinion on this. So for school just basic college classes. I want to code and learn to do it on the budget route for the time being and possibly install Linux. My two picks are the Think pad x220 or the Lenovo Chromebook Duet. See I already have a powerhouse computer that could possibly run it but I want to use that souly for gaming plus it's nice so I don't want to carry that around and have it damaged or stolen if you get me. I chose the Think pad because of the upgrade of parts, I think they're more powerful in general than chromebooks, and come with many great features! On the flip side I know with the Chromebook duet, Chrome OS is going to be more comfortable and be easier to work with and learn from. Also I like the integration with Google services and software support for a long time cause I have a pixel 6 and I'm a Avid user of checking emails and stuff so that kinda more seamless integration seems cool to me. Other than that both seem to play with Linux nicely so idk I'm torn might end up getting both and installing Linux on one of them.
@@micahjohnson9184Personally if your planning on learning to code I think the Thinkpad will be the better choice for working with the tools that will be needed. Chrome OS I used for awhile a few years ago with a Google Pixel Book but the Linux integration Google is working on is still, from what I have seen from other youtubers recently it is still not a smooth final product for running Linux software and will probably end up being more flustrating than anything. I have been learning to code in python and C over the last couple years for a project and I'd love to do some of it on my Android tablet, so I got a code editor and termux installed for a linux command line so I can run some tools but it really just doesn't work so thats why I also have a Pinebook Pro in my bag that I carry as well because you really do just need a full Linux desktop at times to do these tasks.
@@micahjohnson9184 go with thinkpad, they built like a tank
Does the mic suck as bad as it did in this video?
tobe fair you get a case, keyboard, and a pen with the tablet for the price. I am not sure if we can include the charger in things you get compared to the competition.
This looks great. The next revisions of this thing could become really good! Pleased to see a better linux tablet like that, and surprised is is that good already and from China
I will say that Android tablets (pretty much only Samsung), especially this last year or so, have gotten a lot better and do provide good competition to iPads. There's some concerns with longevity compared to iPads, like performance in 2 years time will likely be considerably worse than a comparable iPad and iPads get around twice the major updates compared to Android devices, but for their price they are now a good option. I just wish Android was a smoother experience, which it is until the next Android version then it's another 6 months until that becomes smooth and then repeat.
Indeed, Android flagship tablets became really good. The price is my biggest consern, because Tab S7+ costs about the same as iPads. I'm very satisfied with the performance of Tab S7+, it can handle heavy workloads (for tablets, not PCs) seamlessly with Snap 865+ and 6Gb RAM. Can't say about longevity as I have mine for half a year, gotta check it when Android 12 update comes at January. Samsung DeX is just a beast, easily the best tablet feature there is. Didn't have any experience with it's Huawei counterpart, so can't say about companies other than Samsung. I'm really glad that SPen is included. On iPad it's like a $150 addition to the price and it's not even better than SPen (2048 pressure levels VS 4096 in SPen) and you don't need to charge it for it to function. Overall, it really hurts me that people don't consider Android tablets. I don't know what I'd do if Samsung just shut down their tablet lineup, so I'd be glad if reviewers gave more credit to Android tablets. Thankfully, 14" behemoth of Tab S8 Ultra is coming soon, so hopefully we'll see more coverage on it after release.
The Samsung tablets have been great for about 4 years. I know a lot of people who use them, I mean, why waste a ton of money on a device which for many people is nothing else than a portable video player. I actually like it more than my iPad for video, because there is no stupid unlocking or anything, just tap the screen twice and the video instantly starts playing.
@@iowawalker Samsung is notorious for having Apple-like MSRP and constant sales and discounts in practice. I caught one of these sales and got the S7 plus for roughly 400 taxes included. If you trade in as well they do have good tradein discounts sometimes. I think price-wise, the tab S'es are pretty much unbeatable value. My experience is in the US by the way.
And I doubt other Android makers will compete. Note taking is unparalleled on the S7 because of the high refresh rate, which is a premium feature that I don't see any other brands pursuing. It's always just the cheap media consumption tablets. Oh, and the proprietary Samsung Notes app. I've taken books worth of notes to say this: no other app in the play store even come close. To topple the iPad they need a good, competent productivity ecosystem, and as long as Samsung can get other app makers on board I think they can be a serious contender.
7:20 360 hours battery life? LOL!
On the note of Samsung tablet you would be surprised how many people use them a day. I’m a truck driver and the company I drive for has a system in every truck that has one as a display interface for the driver. And I don’t know any driver who like them most would love to drive over them.
Volume in general in KDE is the problem. Try to set it up in config sound setup, to be able to increase it up to 150%.
Today I installed Ubuntu on my old MacBook Pro, which has an insanely good display panel and overall good hardware (replaced the battery for like 20$)
It just looks so great and smooth, even though the hardware is relatively old now...super happy.
Edit: I have to mention this though: as a tech nerd, Ubuntu was one of the most enjoyable and fast installations I've ever had (installed from a USB Stick).
Everything literally just started working, and the entire keyboard of my MacBook (even brightness level, app launcher and keyboard brightness) works super well without any need of tweaking stuff.
Even my Logitech Bluetooth Mouse just started working WITHOUT any tweak...super impressed from that one.
I might have been lucky, but I am pretty sure that the majority of the people out there, who care for technology, will have a good time installing Ubuntu.
Edit 2: Installing VPNs on Ubuntu is by far the worst installation I have ever had. Kind of a deal breaker for me...already thinking about leaving.
Linux always breathes new life into older hardware
This is the use case that Linux absolutely dominates. It is the best OS for older hardware. For gaming as of now, not so much
@@alexdavis9324 wrong
@@gtPacheko it doesnt dominate at gaming, he isn’t wrong. Sure, Valve is making a big push with Proton and whatnot, and had decently satisfying results. Still.
Yes. While other manufacturers might try to slow down software to make you buy new hardware Linux breathes nee life into old hardware
Really impressive for a first gen tablet. I'm a huge linux fan, and it seems like itd be some fun, but ill have to pass on it until they have a more powerful version.
That whole setup they featured is also $899 for a WiFi model. Definitely a lot, considering it's a device from an unknown manufacturer. They didn't release the source code of the OS the tablet is running at all (they only have x86 0.9 version public, despite the tablet being on 1.1 already). So effectively if you break the OS you can't reinstall, the bootloader prevents you from installing other distros, and they claim absolutely no support in case of any software problems. Anthony is also the only reviewer I saw who tried to test the pressure sensitivity of the pen and it didn't work, which is not encouraging. I know his got slightly broken, but the fact that nobody else has shown the pressure working is... suspicious.
700$ can get a more capable device , the hardware is underwhelming.
I'd rather buy a surface and install linux than this. The hardware is kinda awful for that price.
I can’t get over the fact that it’s such a naked rip off of the iPad Pro. The tablet, the keyboard, and the GUI are all cribbed straight from Apple. I’d just get an iPad if I wanted that style of design.
I need to know more about this tablet, pls make a full review
Bro, the Galaxy Tab S7 Pro + is what got me to buy a tablet for the first time. My wife uses an iPad Pro and I catch her constantly using my Galaxy tablet. Says it looks better, sounds better, and DEX is an awesome feature.
I'd absolutely watch another video where you just tinker with this thing and see what you can get working on it.
I wish they would have told you that the JingPad is lined up to have both the mobile OS, a desktop OS and Android apps natively.
I agree, there are some things to work on - especially in the world of “conferencing” which is what a tablet does best.
Also looking forward to seeing you installing a different OS
I would assume you're also trying to get your hands on the Pine Tab?
The samsung tab S7 is acutally quite nice and very similiar to the 2 of these tablets. It sounds like Anthony hasn't tested the S7 himself as the price and specs are exceptionally better.
The S7+ has the specs of a flagship phone, is thinner than most, epic screen and amazing speakers. Hope they do a video on one
@@DominicKrall shame that epic screen is not available in 11" version, unlike in Tab S6.
@Rafał Tarka the s5e has almost the same screen, just a bit smaller. I know a friend who used one, would recommend. I use my S7+ to edit photos and watch videos when traveling
@@Tarets still has a really great screen, infact the only complaint is it doesn't dim enough for reading at night but I use a separate app to lower the gamma so it works
@@DominicKrall my s5e's main problem is that it is just a tad under spec'd, basically Samsung relies on their software, to correctly manage the memory usage rather than add a little more memory. Otherwise it is fantastic, and while I give apple their due on this, I simply didn't want to deal with the apple "way" of doing things that annoyed the stuffing out of me. (Happy Thanksgiving, btw)
I’d wait for that Tablet for a bit. They’ve got some software optimizations to do like better hardware acceleration or battery life improvement but hardware wise I think they’re actually doing pretty good!
Such upgrades will just come down the the update manager for free for the rest of the lifespan of Linux.
@@simonjamesodell what kind of argument is that? We don't know the team behind it so there is no way of knowing how fast and with what quality those updates will come. I'm not buying something hoping it will become usable in an inestimable amount of time. You're buying the product in it's current state and it looks like it's just not there yet
The only problem is this is the mindset that will lead to bankruptcy before 3rd gen could ever go into production. Let's just hope they can survive until then off of hobbyists.
@@AmorDeae I'm sure there'll be enough buyers in asia alone to keep them afloat til it gets better
Not to mention a high pixel density OLED screen (granted not very bright hmm :| ) for $700
with that keyboard thing you could strategically place that tablet to record a lecture without anybody noticing. Neat!
Anthony, I'd love to see your take on the Lenovo Chromebook Duet, and Lenovo Chromebook Duet 5. ChromeOS also runs Linux and Android applications with fairly easy configuration, and both come with detachable keyboard cases, and at $250 for the Duet, and $499 for the Duet 5 are relatively affordable.
In a similar vein, I honestly really love the idea of Chromebooks. Mobile, super light, great battery life, touch screen, installs android apps, chrome apps, and linux apps all with very little hassle.
I just wish there was a no-compromises Chromebook, and ALSO that android apps for Chromebooks worked well. The IDEA of that^ sounds almost like a perfect mobile programming station for me, as someone who does most of his heavy lifting on clusters in the cloud. But every time I actually sit down and try to get things working, I end up always either going back to my Macbook Air or to to my Lenovo with Manjaro installed.
I''ll stick to my surface 3 pro with linux mint
sudo !!
might save you some typing when you want to repeat the last command with sudo
I don’t know if they have this for the iPad Pro 12.9 2021 but I’d sure appreciate the extra thickness on the keyboard. Maybe a little more weight on the bottom half I would’ve liked. The iPad Pro 12.9 is definitely top heavy with the magic keyboard. I’ve dropped my $2k iPad twice because I had it on my lap.. ugh. Considering the price of the magic keyboard I hope this is a good alternative. I upgraded from the iPad Air 4 and it being top heavy with the keyboard on was not a problem at all.
Honestly, I'm waiting for when the PineNote is ready (or maybe even when there's a PineNote Pro, I already kinda regret getting the standard issue PinePhone after seeing what the Pro can do). I know it isn't exactly comparable, but I feel like that device will have a) better community support and b) more focused development when it comes to stylus use. And also, I just REALLY want an eInk tablet that can handle both reading and writing while also supporting all of my favourite programs from the Linux desktop.
I’m sure there are Linux devs that would love to take that off of you ;P
Remarkable Tablet is an e-ink android tablet, closest thing to linux for now mass-produced
@@ClintonHuynh The latest one is pretty much a ticking time bomb durability wise. Light bumps have let massive cracks appearing.
Not to mention their absolute refusal to let people transfer files to and from their devices in a reasonable and practical way. Oh, and did I mention the subscription for their poor features?
I love this episode. Anthony showing us Linux based device. Even sponsor is Linux related
I think its worth it just for the software optimization for the touch, pen, and screen scaling.
I like the general idea of this thing. Including the stylus and case are good, I got my Mediapad M5 lite partly because there was an available (and not very expensive) pen for it. It looks like maybe a Linux tablet could be a great thing, and that one is 'fine, maybe'.
I wish that I could use Linux as my daily driver, but since I primarily use my PCs for Gaming, and the adobe suit it would only be an inconvenience.
Maybe it's time for an open source streamlined alternative to the Adobe Suite that can run on Linux and MS + Apple. :)
That's why I'm dualbooting, I can slowly learn Linux while not loosing any of the features that it doesn't have yet
I think having a primary machine with windows and then having a dual boot setup into Linux to mess around with that would be the play
Hopefully SteamOS 3 will attract enough users to force folks at adobe, go xlr, etc. to recognise and support linux.
It can't be hard to port their software when adobe can support M1 macs in mere months after release, and MS office online can't possibly be running on windows server, I don't think microsoft trusts their own software enough to run their servers.
It's ok, use the right tool for the job. You can enjoy WSL2 for Linux productivity if you want.
I use the Samsung S7 tablet. I use it for taking notes and for drawing. It's honestly perfect for me.
Hahaha that tablet/pad you put on the keyboard so funny. Many years ago pc's were all the rage then laptops came out and people complained the screens/machines were too small, so the screens on laptops got bigger. Then came out the iPad with a smaller screen than any laptop at the time - everyone wanted one, apart from me. Shortly after they realised they would do better with a keyboard and mouse - wholla, Apple reinvented the wheel and a small screen laptop was thus created.
That’s why I like my raspberry pi’s. I can run raspberry pi OS (fork of Debian). If I want to run another Linux distro I just need multiple micro se cards. I can make a readme.txt file in the boot directory of details on OS and any other details. That way I can see details when I have micro SD in a micro SD card reader.
Me currently watching this one my galaxy tab, due to no other producer
Been saying this for a while, the Samsung galaxy tab s7 plus is an amazing tablet that you guys should have checked out. It's much better than an iPad in many many ways.
It is in many ways but overall all iPad is much better as a package unless you need a bigger
phone for watching content.
@@kartikeypandey8957 I don't agree to that. Especially with Dex and androids overall ability to do a good bit more than Apple.
Im currently running mint onmy Surface Pro 3 and I am getting to the point of needing to replace it. this would be pretty cool I just hope the processor will be upgraded in a newer version and I wouldnt mind seeing performance for GIMP on this as well to see if that pen holds up.
I put pop is with kde plasma desktop on a surface pro 5 (2017) and it works great, even the pen works too. Only issue that I have with it is the cameras not working and the touch screen with your fingers has do be done with the very tip of your fingers. Linux on a tablet is awesome. And Linux does have a really nice pdf editor with palm detection on it, so using the pen to take notes is super nice.
I liked tablets in school for ebooks and reading PDFs of research articles and the surface pro was great with PDFs, but overall the surface pro felt like a laptop trying to be a tablet and it's interface just not being as mobile as a tablet should be. Linux is so customizable that it really improves the nich market of a device in between a tablet and a laptop. Having all my programs/apps pop up like an Android device makes it nice for mobile and having a PC styled start bar/menu is great for keyboard and mouse.
HEY! i feel called out for having just bought a galaxy tab A7.
The JingPad is a cool idea...but why on Earth does it not have a headphone jack?
Because Bluetooth maybe
@@darrenfalconer3267 Can we not have both...?
@@calebricks4890 keep costs down. Every component, extra solder points etc all adds up.
That just my thinking any way
YES! I bought the Samsung Galaxy Tab s7 in August and I love it. I have even bought a cheap wireless controller for gameplay. What games you might ask, PSX emulator games ;)
It does have a gyroscope, but kde plasma does not support it yet... This tablet with a bit of opimization could get very close to the ipad air.
I have an Android tab with pen ... works fine for me.
Linux is never the answer. It is the question and the answer is "Yes!"
The slowness isnt due to the SoC. Its a software issue and can be seen even when JingOS (the linux distro it runs) is run on a high end 2 in 1. Its painfully slow on there as well
Terminal? Count me in! How is the battery life? iOS user interface with full UI apps is pretty great.
0:09 yes, people who do not live in the US and are not totally consumed by Apple buy those :D. I have a Galaxy Tab S4 and I love it. I wanted stereo sound, a good 16:10 display, and a headphone jack as it was supposed to replace my very old Nexus 10 tablet and the S4 fit the bill very well.
One of my freinds has a linux tablet, they dont seem that uncommon. I think it is a tab 7.
actually though that is sorta cool.
Android is a very watered down version and not the same thing as the operating system on this tablet.KDE Plasma Mobile is not the same thing as what Samsung customized for Android.
@@xowishuwereherex They are probably using Linux on DeX.
It's quite good and looks usable. Love that it has KDE plasma on it too. Screen is nice, AMOLED... OK so SOC is not great but I suspect the problems could be with GPU drivers and such because under Android it does quite well.
Tablets with this SOC start at about $160 or something but of course they come with Android and the screen is just a 10 inch IPS. Still with a keyboard this could be something like $200 which is not bad at all.
On the other hand you can find some Intel touch screen enabled laptops at around $300-400 which might be much easier to deal with software wise.
Certainly a step in the right direction though.
It looks like it has a lot of potential. A lot of the issues can be fixed with software updates, like auto rotate and battery life.