Unpopular opinion alert: I prefer the US version changes. The “military” style handguard is loaded with unnecessary parts that make it overly complex and significantly heavier. I would have replaced it with mlok. Which is another feature of the MS that matters to me. I need a longer handguard than what comes on the S variant. Additionally, only briefly mention, the gas regulator now has a suppressor setting which matters a whole lot to me and many others who were trying to drill our own. I also prefer a heavy barrel as I feel this weapon is intended for a lot of rapid fire( or at least for me). I would have liked them to keep the skeletonization on the frame, but I also love the scalloped rail. All in all the changes seem to make this gun more functional if less “military” in aesthetics
The military Bren 2 & the 2S do have M-LOK handguards, though granted just 2 slots per side. As to complicated, no the 2MS system has more parts, mainly more screws and a removable HG frame unit, where as the 2A1/2 & 2S really don't ahve a true 'handguard' but just rail panels with the receiver running full length. As to the suppressor setting, has that been confirmed? When MAC did their video, that was Tim's speculation that it was for a suppressor but in that video, he said the manual didn't call it as such. So i wonder about port sizes? The 2S & 2MS pistols have a large hole and a small one, as does the 2MS carbine. So position wise, same. Are the holes of different sizes? and if so is this specifically for a suppressor or just altered to work with the longer 16" barrel? I do know the positions have been reversed: 1 = small & 2 = large on the pistol, while 1 = large & 2 = small on the carbine. Has CZ made a statement? It would be nice to know either way.
Misha you are correct on all counts. I got myself mixed up on handguards. What I meant was I prefer the carbines handguard (which is more like the aftermarket HB handguard being secured with just the 4 screws) over the Bren 2 pistol MS handguards which have something like 8 screws and are significantly heavier for their length. Additionally I prefer both the MS pistols and the carbine handguards over the S because they don’t have monolithic uppers (received running full length). The S handguard is too short for my needs and really cant be swapped for a longer one do to the one piece construction. Though I can conceive of a company making a longer handguard working off the side panels, I haven’t seen anything to date. As to the suppressor setting. Yes it is confirmed to be a suppressor setting specifically and the port sizes are different. I believe MAC made an update video with a response from CZ saying they had a manual typo. Port size dimensions I have seen on various forums though I would have to go hunting for that photo. I sympathize with the desire to have the authentic military firearm as I too collect military firearms. In that aspect I understand the disappointment. Even so, I believe the changes, with the exception of the lightening cuts, to be a functional improvement. This is especially the case as CZ is no doubt competing in the AR15 saturated market which will always ask the question, “how does this 2k gun compare to an AR I can get at half the price with more modularity and connection points.” I’m loving my Bren 2MS 11” pistol (though I managed to break the hammer pin spring) which I got in large part due to your videos... so keep up the good work!
I purchased one of these back in May and don't regret it at all. Maybe I don't notice the extra weight because I have a bigger stature, but it's such a pleasure to shoot for me. The action is smooth as hell and with all its features compared to something like a SCAR, it's hard to beat for the price. I've upgraded the trigger, safety selectors, and charging handle with HBI accessories. I'm also planning to replace the factory brake and handguard with more "military style" options when they hit the US market. I believe there's a lot of potential for aftermarket support, which CZ is focusing on with the newer models. Overall, I just wanted something a little more fancy for my collection other than ARs/AKs and it more than gets the job done lol
If the 2MS carbine was our only option? Sure but I just feel like they nailed it the first time with the original Bren 2S. Also still loving my 805 and have no problems with it. About the only gun that caused me true discomfort because of its weight was the OOW M1918A3 BAR.
Prizrak2084 I agree 100% and he has torture test videos on him running it over with different heavy vehicles.slow rolls it.its glass something something and a polymer
I have to disagree with you, the 2Ms is better than the 2s *other than* removing the lightning cuts. The only problem with the Carbine is the massive barrel profile; in fact, the Carbine has the BR stock which is better than the 2s stock.
While the gun definitely seems like a step in the wrong direction, overall I think it's a decent package. Maybe I'm biased though, I do have 4 CZs in my house :)
@@misha5670 I do need more CZs, but the next gun on my list is a KelTec KSG. Shot one for the first time recently and I immediately knew I needed one haha
Thanks for your review. I respectfully have to say I love mine and it's extremely accurate and nice to shoot. I get people commenting on how nice it looks as well with my setup.
Yep, and that's what I say in the conclusion too. Question for you, if they had just taken the Bren 2S and made it into a carbine....so 16" LW barrel, 3 prong flash hider, lightning cut receiver, and an extended M-LOK style HG like that of the 2S; would you prefer that or the 2MS carbine we got?
The soldiers here were complaining that the Bren 805s reciprocating handle was grinding into the receiver frame. As well many also said they still preferred the Vz58 since it is a more robust weapon.
Funnily enough, i talk about that in a Czech collection overview video that i recorded last week. It'll be published soon. I figured while i had the Brens out, why not just grab the Vz.52, Vz.58s, and SA-24?
Longer barrels need heavier barrels to prevent deflection from suppressor weight. Longer gas systems have traditionally been more reliable due to gas pressure stabilizing further down the barrel (not as turbulent). Who gives a shit whether it's "military" which, having been in the military, = lowest bidder and not able to change with technological developments due to bureaucracy.
Wow, what a disappointment! No iron sights or sling connection up front! That is show stopper disadvantage!!! Really??? I like heavy barrel vs thin one, it is more accurate. Misha all these small things nobody cares, change/buy all you need! It is Scar killer, period.
For the price it should have came with sights... also it is lighter than the SCAR. With the bren either people love it or hate it. Hope to see more aftermarket support.
The Czech Skar...i dont care what anyone says...the Bren is sexy AF! I own a 9 inch pistol version in 762x39 and a 16 carbine in 556 and they are both sweet shooting.
@@misha5670 I know you never did. I just heard other people in the past complain a little. One those it's not a big deal but would be nice type things.
I just bought a bren 2 ms and I thought it was light. I'm used to a tavor. And one thing that was a selling point for me is the larger hand guard. I have yeti hands so the old rail wouldn't be enough realestate for me.
I own the 11" Pistol with a SB Tactical Brace installed. I like the weight, the balance and the overall quality of the "Pistol". I 100% hated the handguard and replaced it with a HB Industries Hand Guard that works for both the 8", 11" and 14" guns. When you take off the original hand guard, you wonder if the engineer's at CZ are using drugs, as its needlessly complicated and really detracts from the gun. The HB Rail is simpler and covers the bottom of the gas block, to protect your hand. I opted to get QD swivel points on both sides of the handguard, so I don't need to buy extra Mlok adapters. HB Industries makes the Handguard for the CZ Carbine and you will also find one in the folding stock kit that CZ USA sells, as it is one of the 922r parts required to SBR the pistol. The Czech Army should ditch their current handguards and go with the Mlok HB Handguard and also lose the rear sling loops as they tend to hit may large nose and besides, its not 1992, so we all use QD Swivels now. I agree with Misha that the lightening cuts in the receiver need to come back. The rifles and the pistols need to be marked and chambered for 5.56x45 and not a mix of .223 and 5.56, The iron sights that come with the "pistols" are first rate and I keep mine folded on the rail and never use them, as its 2021 and "OPTICS", in my case a Trijicon MRO HD. CZ should develop and field flip up irons that fold flat on the rails, like the HK 416 or some for the modern G36 rail sights, which would save money and made the guns lighter (and cheaper) too. $2k is a lot for a firearm in 2021 and if you compare it to a H&K 416, TB TG36, a FN SCAR or a SIG 55x series, etc. the CZ is a lighter gun and you will save $1,500 to $2,000 compared to buying these competitors. The CZ also takes MagPul Gen 2 (not Gen 3) mags which is nice.
I am very happy with my BREN 805, the reciprocating bolt handle and lack of a bolt release is no issue for me at all. Glad I have it as no more will be available or made.
I am actually happy that the Carbine comes with a more robust barrel! I never looked into it but I kept hearing everyone complain about a pencil barrel so I assumed that is what my carbine came with but I am satisfied knowing what I know now.
It seems that the barrel profile has been a polarizing topic on the Bren 2 carbine. Personally the way I saw it, the carbine was meant more the civilian shooter in mind, with an increase/stability in accuracy through sustained fire (basically a DMR style). Plus the weight could potentially be balanced through an LVPO or other optic. However if you were looking for for a patrol/military-ish , the 14 inch model would be the way to go. Regardless, thank you for your thoughts. Been waiting for this review.
You sure on that? Looking at MAC's video, it just seems like they switched positions 1 and 2. Pistol has small hole on #1, large on #2. Carbine has a large hole at #1 and a smaller hole on #2.
@@misha5670 Thank you for you videos Misha and Jay! Yes that is correct. The 2nd position with the carbine is smaller and according to MAC's video here ruclips.net/video/gS7FeVaEQkY/видео.html like you mentioned he clarified with cz how the gas system is supposed to work. The smaller hole in the second position for suppression would seem sound as this would limit the increased gas created from running suppressed. So far I have run my Deadair Wolfman on my Bren2 carbine with no issues but its only seen like 100 rounds. I have also run the wolfman on my 7.62x39 Bren2 with a 14 inch barrel in position 1 with subsonic bear ammo. Super sonic ran but was very unpleasant to shoot. Just to note when I went back to no suppressor I had some failures to eject like every 2 or 3 rounds with Bear supersonic. I went home and checked the gas port which was some what gunked up but not that obstructed. I cleaned it up but I gotta take it back to see if that was the cause for the FTE. I am not sure if the short stroke piston gas system is that sensitive?
I think stovepiping would be more accurate but overall I think the bolt was not being cycled back with enough force to eject the spent casing properly. Just my novice assessment. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Call me fickle, but I wanted the MS over the S because the S is too similar looking to my 805 Bren. It is truly form over function, but I wanted different.
I really enjoy how light, slim, and trimb the Bren 2S is. It sets it apart from many other guns on the market today. The Bren 2MS carbine retains the great quality, reliability, and durability of the Bren 2...no argument there. But it weighs 7.5 lbs w/ empty mag and while its totally a taste thing? I just don't really care for the long handguard or curvy/dipped in style of top rail. Oh and its a bit silly that CZ doesn't ship the 2MS carbine with BUIS, while putting them on all the other Bren variants; why?
@@darnellking2398 Such are opinions, and we can't all always agree right? That would be one boring world if we did too! I sincerely don't get how when the 805 was 8 lbs, it was 'heavy' for a lot of people, but the 2MS carbine's weight isn't a problem at 7.5 lbs? Granted, loosing 1/2 lb is nice, but it should be more. Afterall, the 8" Bren 2S pistol is just a tiny hair over 6 lbs unloaded.
@@Vlad81225 I just feel like that with the Bren 2S, CZ had what people wanted. Then with the 2MS pistol? Still a great gun but people don't seem to like the new HG as much. Now with the 2MS carbine, its even further from what it could have been. Its still a solid firearm, but its more of a target rifle now, where as the 2S was a very practical HD and tactical gun. All that said, I don't want people to agree with me all the time. That would be boring. But I've always been honest with you, and with the 2MS carbine? I'm just not feeling it *shrug*
I definitely agree I think the carbine is a step in the wrong direction, I would much prefer something closer to what their military uses because that’s the attraction number for me, that being said I also think the price is a big problem
The 2S & 2MS pistols are lighter than the SCAR-L, but actually the SCAR-L is lighter than the 2MS carbine. That was one of my major points in this video. Why go to such great lengths to remove weight from the 805 Bren when creating the Bren 2; only to add much of it right back with the 2MS carbine? Its not the weight itself that i dislike; its the entire process. Its like the Bren went on a diet, met her goal weight, and then went and lived on KFC for 2 weeks to celebrate.
Back when they were $999 NIB? The Galil Ace was a hell of a deal for sure. To be fair though, the 805 PS1 got that low once too, and was again a great gun for the money.
Any source for that? I don't see an official announcement from FN that they decided to quit making them, and it's especially odd for them to stop making them when SCARs sell like hot cakes when they get imported here.
I own the CZ Bren 2 MS 14" pistol in 7.62 which I converted to a rifle by getting a longer muzzlebrake and pinning and welding and I must say, I freaking love it so much I want to get the carbine in 5.56. Not sure if I want to do that or convert another 14" pistol to a rifle simply because I love everything about the 7 62 I converted lol
I love my 2ms but they need to make some sort of delete for the handguard to make it more military. I love the look of the 2s. It's as beautiful as Czech woman
The longer gas system and HG I could live with. Its the barrel and slab sided receiver that really just change the looks for me personally. It just doesn't have that sleak feel of the original any more.
I own a M+M M10x in 7.62x39 with Magpul Zhukov stock. That’s the only ultra modern design rifle I own. I see a lot of similarities in the overall design philosophy, though the M10x was produced solely for the civilian market. I have it topped with a TA33 ACOG, and it’s a great shooter. It does seem like CZ is focused on the civilian/ sporting market, which I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing. Thanks for sharing Mishaco!
I have about 2000 rounds through mine and so far no issues. I wish the barrel was CHF, but they are working to get some and it’s fairly easy to change. Their trigger is also a little too light for my tastes, but I’ve grown accustomed to it now. Anywho...I’ve had the opportunity to shoot a Bren 1 and liked it. Haven’t put my hands on a Bren 2, but I agree that version seems like a step backwards.
Just remember Misha, it could always be worse. With an EOTech + side rail mount, handguard + flashlight, and AR15 buttstock + adapter, an AK-74M like your Saiga weighs just about 10lbs loaded lol
Its not the 2MS carbine's weight I have a problem with. If it were, then I wouldn't stil love the 805 carbine. Its the fact that the weight isn't necessary. The SGL31 is heavy(ish) because its an older design made from mostly steel. Czech CZ really really tried to take weight off when designing the Bren 2, and IMO, they succeeded beautifully. Why just add it back for the 2MS carbine?
Any info about the lot of Bren 2S that came out retail about a month ago? That was unexpected and I would have bought one if in 5.56. I already have a 2ms in x39, 805, csa vz58 and love them all
All seem to have been in 7.62x39. Since those sold less successfully than the .223 versions, I bet they were just leftovers from the original run....that or CZ, Czech simply screwed up and built a batch of 2S instead of 2MS by mistake. Think that can't happen? Remember when IWI Israel built all those Galil Ace pistols with 3rd pin holes? lol
Looks ecactly like the 308 bren 2 battle rifle. My guess is cz used the same barrel profile and gas system from the battle rifle for ease of manufacturing.
I get that it’s not a Czech Mil-Spec copy of the issued Bren. It will probably wind up being rare and hard to find. I’d keep it. In a world of AR’s I’d want it just to be different than the rest of the pack. Pistol or carbine it’s a CZ and I love all things Cz. Just my 2 cents.
Misha that’s a really good question. I’d probably go carbine since it includes the stock and that way I don’t have to mess with SBR hassle and cost and purchasing the expensive stock. The pistols always have wiggle in the adapters that I’ve seen and handled for braces and stocks. The carbine i handled was rock solid. I definitely appreciate the purist point of view and it’s just as valid as any reason to have it the way you want it. I wouldn’t go 7.62x39 since the magazine is proprietary. Yuck. Why not take AK mags? Only the most common mag on the planet.
Thanks for the detailed information. I just got the rifle/carbine MS version. I couldn't find a pistol version so opted for the rifle/carbine. It's is a bit heavy for me which is a concern due to my support hand/arm was injured previously. We'll see.
I just will repeat what i said under another video about this gun. Hello Misha! I really do not get it. It is only in USA when people looking lets say at the AK and notice every single scratch or change in design even if it is insignificant. People looking at wear on AK parts every 1000 Rds. That's just funny. In Afghanistan Russians just throwed away guns with round count of 5000+. Same here with Bren. Lightning cuts? You are kidding right? You do not understand why? I tell you why. To save some time and because of it some money. Yes, if you do not cut those lightning cuts on one gun savings of the time is not great, but multiply it by amount of guns in total and you will see the difference. Again saving time, money and last and not least tools. Now here comes question? Are all AK are the same? All MILITARY AKs are the same? Hell no! Are they authentic enough? Hell yes depending on the country. Look at the Galil Ace Gen.2. Receivers, plastic parts, hand guards and other stuff are different from original.. 1st. Gen Galil Ace is different from original Galils. Are they authentic enough as military guns? Let me ask you this. Did you see lately Russian special forces units and their AK rifles? Those guys are in military right? Look what kind hand guards and stocks and other accessories they are using. So they are not military rifles anymore? So because CZ changed rails( by the way I like them on Ms more), hand guards and they do not do lightning cuts is it a different rifle? Hell no! It is a same rifle and only collector goofs can complain about such a things. And another thing Misha. Please do not talk about things you know nothing about . Mostly about Russia and politic things in that country. You know exactly nothing about some inside things. Just talk about guns. Latest sanctions about Navalniy right? They told you so. Yeah right. Thats all about gun control. By the way. Do you know who is Navalniy? Person like him deserves what happened to him. Nothing less. About Bren2 . A year later Bren 2s cost more then 2Ms just because gun bloggers like you started all that BS about military and non military. And they are $1000 more right now. This is stupid to say at least. They are same guns from same manufacturer. They exactly same. Do you know that civilian SCAR different from military? Do I need to continue?
Is there another batch of Bren 2s manufactured in 2020 or are they different from the 2018 version? Picked one up from Buds Gun Shop in 7.62x39 11” in July!
Its still my favorite too. That said, if CZUSA put a 14" barrel assembly for sale on their site, I'd buy it too. I do like the bayo lug look of it also.
I suspect the heavy barrel with the muzzle break is to conform to some ban state requirements. MD for instance has copy cat restrictions. Basically a copycat weapon is any gun that has a detachable magazine and two evil features such as folding stocks, grenade launchers, and flash suppressors. Some decisions by CZ USA, I guess are made so they could sell the same rifle in as many states as possible.
Nope, no state has a barrel weight requirement. And any state that bans 'flash hiders' also bans 'threaded muzzles.' Truth is most ban states out there like CA, NY, MA, and CT have all tightened their laws since 2013. These days, they are even more restrictive, and that evil folding buttstock would never fly either.
@@misha5670 I only know of MD specifically. If they had stuck a flash hider on the carbine it would become a banned rifle in Maryland. The MCX is banned for the same reason. The Scar however is not because that comes with a muzzle break.
I’m about to buy a surplus firearm off you sir. Totally random but I happened upon a firearm you were selling and totally random you happen to leave me a voicemail and I recognized your voice.Pretty damn cool day🇺🇸🤘🏼I bought my bren2ms8 inch in 556 thanks to this guys spectacular reviews(I’m glad I got mine when I did in 2019)
was waiting for this carbine, then i saw what they did to it. if they just added a stock to the 14.5" pistol and pin/weld a brake it would have been GTG.
I've been correcting this online as often as i am able, only because I don't want anyone to under-shoot the magic 16" length. The barrel is called a 14" and not 14.5". In reality, its a bit longer, at a bit under 14.2". So you need about a 2.5" device to insure legality. This is absolutely not an attack on you' just like I said, i am afraid someone might use an extended A2 meant for a Colt 14.5" barrel, so unknowingly still have an unregistered SBR.
Great review but very disappointing. I had been holding out for the carbine version because I really like the look of the stock on the carbine. I like pencil barreled AR’s definitely not a fan of heavy barreled rifles or how they tend to balance.
I've been warning people for awhile now that the carbine would be heavier than the pistol; but even I was amazed how much she porked up over the last year. Lay off the fastfood and hit the gym again Brenna hehe.
Honestly, i can accept the longer gas system and M-LOK handguard. Ok, fine. But no lightning cuts, a swoopy top rail, and a needlessly heavy barrel? Those are decisions that CZUSA didn't have to make. I do not see how they could improve the gun for anyone; collector or shooter alike.
I get why Misha has complaints but he's a military collector. People aping his complaints that aren't military collectors don't actually make alot of sense. People complain, wanting thinner barrel for weight reduction but also wants military rail that adds more weight! A military rail adds more weight up front. Also, the bren 805 carbine is notoriously heavy but people seem to ignore that fact.
I had this same debate with myself. Bren 2 carbine has more aftermarket support. The ARX100 seems to have been abandoned by Beretta. Also, the folding stock catch was built into the upper receiver mold, no way to replace it, and it would eventually wear. The ARX100 was made to be able to quickly change out the barrel, possibly to easily switch from 5.56 to .300, but all production on it died out, so having a quick change barrel is pointless.
HB Industries sells an adapter that you can insert in to the 7.62x39 magazine well so that it can take 7.62x39 AR15 magazines. I shot my 11" 7.62x39 Bren 2Ms with one this weekend. It ran 100%. The 7.62x39 magazines I used were D&H, ASC and RZE Unimags.
Love your review Mishaco, and love the Bren ! Would anybody be able to help me get the factory back plate tha comes with the pistol and allows mounting an AR-15 buffer tube ?
Just make the cz gen 2 all looking original !!!!! Of course 922 complaint I’m in California Amazing when this came to us Been waiting for this for years!!! Yep gonna change the handguard to hb Looks amazing on it!!!! And lol!! I want the original waffle butt stock!!!! Who wouldn’t want that !!! Original looking military cz gen2 I’m gonna put the iron sights And I’m waiting for my elcan specter dr to put on it!!!! Gotta figure out what iron sights to put Since Yes it should have added !!!
A smaller profile on the barrel definitely would've been better. Agree with your thoughts no sights is a rip off. Maybe on the next update they'll listen.
Considering the Bren 2S/2MS already had really good accuracy with the light profile barrel, i really don't 'think' going to a heavier one would improve things enough to justify the weight gain? But hey, i could be totally wrong.
@Jones The military's 11" 2A2 has a lightweight profile barrel. The 14" 2A1 has an ever so slightly heavier barrel, but its still very much a light weighter.
For being oddly obsessed about “military” for God knows what reason, this guy sure has some shit *non-military* optics and accessories on these things 🤣🤣
He mentioned purchasing a 14 inch gun, welding the flash hider, and then swapping the stock. Are you allowed to do that if the firearm is transferred as a pistol? Would you have to form one it into a rifle?
Seems like if it had the lightweight you might have a different attitude about the gun overall I realize you’ve got a number of greivances but a lighter barrel at least make it more practical
I got one of the first carbines to come into the country. It came out of the box with a loose trunnion/barrel. It wouldn't break 3moa regardless of ammo. I hated it and sold it for a scar 16 after only 2 weeks..
With any gun, i usually try and avoid the very first run as more often than not, they have some issues (even if they are small or just cosmetic). The ARX100, X95, SIG556, etc...all had early issues just because that's how mass production works.
@@misha5670 I wanted to love it so bad. I'm a huge CZ fanboy! Alas, it was a disappointment. soft shooter and ran 700rds reliably, it just didn't look like a Bren 2 should and the accuracy was garbage. My scar 16 on the other hand is everything I wanted in a Piston 5.56!
I'm not a fan either on how the carbine version of the Bren 2 turned out to be a "sportorized target shooting rifle" , since I missed out on the original 805 bren due to it being discontinued I was expecting the bren 2 to be a new and improved version that retained its features as a military rifle for us civilians. For me I feel having the heavy barrel is unnecessary as it adds more weight, not a fan of the hand guard, it not coming with any iron sights (though it seems gun companies are starting to not include sights anymore). I just can't help but to feel disappointed as well since the original 805 and the bren 2 S had something unique about it that made me interested in it in the first place. The carbine version of the bren 2 just feels almost like "another AR" as you said with how Americanized it became, I'm sure it's still a great rifle for what it is but with it being a "target shooting DMR rifle" and not a lightweight patrol rifle it losses its appeal for me.
Oh for sure, I have little doubt that it is a reliable and accurate rifle. And so what? How many reliable and accurate rifles do we have these days? Not sarcasm, i really hope CZUSA knows what its doing and this turns out to be the right business decision. We've lost too many firearms and even too many companies in the past year.
Misha you know I had to jump on here! Thanks for going in depth and giving me 100 extra things to dislike about this gun that I hadn’t even noticed before! Lol
I think we can all agree that the Bren 805 and Bren 2S are a lot more attractive than the Bren 2 MS/MS carbine, hands down! I agree with Misha's standpoint on the Bren 2S upper receiver/handguard. I think it's just better overall.
To me the Bren 2ms was a huge let down. For the reasons pointed out here im good with just my 805. I hope they go a different route with the BR 308 version. It would be harder to say no to that.
@@DavidThomas-sp2yc I think its a good rifle but doesnt look like a bren to me. It looks like a m+m m10x with that goofy handgaurd. At this point id rather pay more for a scar because it doesn't look bubba'd.
CZ has screwed up the Bren 2 with the ms modifications...they should have stuck with the original 2s design vs all these stupid "improvements"...their quality has went down and QC on these latest Brens are laughable...all the ones I have seen in shops have terrible slop in the receivers...
WOW, you know a product has Misha riled when he doesn't START the video with "Hi Misha here"!
Nah, just salty about giving the feds $200 lol.
Unpopular opinion alert: I prefer the US version changes. The “military” style handguard is loaded with unnecessary parts that make it overly complex and significantly heavier. I would have replaced it with mlok. Which is another feature of the MS that matters to me. I need a longer handguard than what comes on the S variant. Additionally, only briefly mention, the gas regulator now has a suppressor setting which matters a whole lot to me and many others who were trying to drill our own. I also prefer a heavy barrel as I feel this weapon is intended for a lot of rapid fire( or at least for me). I would have liked them to keep the skeletonization on the frame, but I also love the scalloped rail. All in all the changes seem to make this gun more functional if less “military” in aesthetics
The military Bren 2 & the 2S do have M-LOK handguards, though granted just 2 slots per side. As to complicated, no the 2MS system has more parts, mainly more screws and a removable HG frame unit, where as the 2A1/2 & 2S really don't ahve a true 'handguard' but just rail panels with the receiver running full length.
As to the suppressor setting, has that been confirmed? When MAC did their video, that was Tim's speculation that it was for a suppressor but in that video, he said the manual didn't call it as such. So i wonder about port sizes?
The 2S & 2MS pistols have a large hole and a small one, as does the 2MS carbine. So position wise, same. Are the holes of different sizes? and if so is this specifically for a suppressor or just altered to work with the longer 16" barrel? I do know the positions have been reversed: 1 = small & 2 = large on the pistol, while 1 = large & 2 = small on the carbine.
Has CZ made a statement? It would be nice to know either way.
Misha you are correct on all counts. I got myself mixed up on handguards. What I meant was I prefer the carbines handguard (which is more like the aftermarket HB handguard being secured with just the 4 screws) over the Bren 2 pistol MS handguards which have something like 8 screws and are significantly heavier for their length. Additionally I prefer both the MS pistols and the carbine handguards over the S because they don’t have monolithic uppers (received running full length). The S handguard is too short for my needs and really cant be swapped for a longer one do to the one piece construction. Though I can conceive of a company making a longer handguard working off the side panels, I haven’t seen anything to date.
As to the suppressor setting. Yes it is confirmed to be a suppressor setting specifically and the port sizes are different. I believe MAC made an update video with a response from CZ saying they had a manual typo. Port size dimensions I have seen on various forums though I would have to go hunting for that photo.
I sympathize with the desire to have the authentic military firearm as I too collect military firearms. In that aspect I understand the disappointment. Even so, I believe the changes, with the exception of the lightening cuts, to be a functional improvement. This is especially the case as CZ is no doubt competing in the AR15 saturated market which will always ask the question, “how does this 2k gun compare to an AR I can get at half the price with more modularity and connection points.”
I’m loving my Bren 2MS 11” pistol (though I managed to break the hammer pin spring) which I got in large part due to your videos... so keep up the good work!
@@misha5670 Cz have said the gas port is a suppressor setting.
Couldn't agree more, still a great video
This is a great rifle and 99% of everyone who actually owns one agrees. The Bren 2 is worlds better than the 805
Good shooting but looks wise it’s a downgrades especially if you like foreign guns and what something different from the ar 15.
I purchased one of these back in May and don't regret it at all. Maybe I don't notice the extra weight because I have a bigger stature, but it's such a pleasure to shoot for me. The action is smooth as hell and with all its features compared to something like a SCAR, it's hard to beat for the price. I've upgraded the trigger, safety selectors, and charging handle with HBI accessories. I'm also planning to replace the factory brake and handguard with more "military style" options when they hit the US market. I believe there's a lot of potential for aftermarket support, which CZ is focusing on with the newer models. Overall, I just wanted something a little more fancy for my collection other than ARs/AKs and it more than gets the job done lol
If the 2MS carbine was our only option? Sure but I just feel like they nailed it the first time with the original Bren 2S. Also still loving my 805 and have no problems with it. About the only gun that caused me true discomfort because of its weight was the OOW M1918A3 BAR.
Check out Dan Haga.he makes some top tier stuff for the bren2.new lower and everything good.
Prizrak2084 I agree 100% and he has torture test videos on him running it over with different heavy vehicles.slow rolls it.its glass something something and a polymer
Extra weight? Its lighter than the SCAR.
@@chriskelly509 Watch the vid. Misha criticized the weight of this compared to the pistol version and I was saying that I didn't mind it.
I have to disagree with you, the 2Ms is better than the 2s *other than* removing the lightning cuts. The only problem with the Carbine is the massive barrel profile; in fact, the Carbine has the BR stock which is better than the 2s stock.
While the gun definitely seems like a step in the wrong direction, overall I think it's a decent package. Maybe I'm biased though, I do have 4 CZs in my house :)
They make fantastic firearms.
4? you need more...you know you do hehe.
@@misha5670 I do need more CZs, but the next gun on my list is a KelTec KSG. Shot one for the first time recently and I immediately knew I needed one haha
Ian Guy: You just need 1 more to unlock that prestigious “hipster” achievement. JK...I’m a bit of a CZ 75 addict myself.
am i the only person who prefers the MS over the 2s... lol i like a slightly more full size rifle.
No you definitely aren't, would gladly keep my MS over the 2s any day.
Thanks for your review. I respectfully have to say I love mine and it's extremely accurate and nice to shoot. I get people commenting on how nice it looks as well with my setup.
Yep, and that's what I say in the conclusion too. Question for you, if they had just taken the Bren 2S and made it into a carbine....so 16" LW barrel, 3 prong flash hider, lightning cut receiver, and an extended M-LOK style HG like that of the 2S; would you prefer that or the 2MS carbine we got?
It shoots softer than most ar's I've tried. Has a nice trigger and is great for us lefties.
What's the accuracy you're getting from yours?
The soldiers here were complaining that the Bren 805s reciprocating handle was grinding into the receiver frame. As well many also said they still preferred the Vz58 since it is a more robust weapon.
Funnily enough, i talk about that in a Czech collection overview video that i recorded last week. It'll be published soon. I figured while i had the Brens out, why not just grab the Vz.52, Vz.58s, and SA-24?
Got mine too and love it minus the no sights.... I didn't think any of this was bad
He’s doing a review of a gun he owned and one he refuses to buy. Bias much? Noticed he never talked about the internal improvements.
Longer barrels need heavier barrels to prevent deflection from suppressor weight. Longer gas systems have traditionally been more reliable due to gas pressure stabilizing further down the barrel (not as turbulent). Who gives a shit whether it's "military" which, having been in the military, = lowest bidder and not able to change with technological developments due to bureaucracy.
Wow, what a disappointment! No iron sights or sling connection up front! That is show stopper disadvantage!!! Really??? I like heavy barrel vs thin one, it is more accurate. Misha all these small things nobody cares, change/buy all you need! It is Scar killer, period.
For the price it should have came with sights... also it is lighter than the SCAR. With the bren either people love it or hate it. Hope to see more aftermarket support.
This gun seems amazing to me.
@ufpros_over _hoes That's just not true, I'll be happy to let you know that I'm a *proud Gen-Xer.*
@@C1418OS Gen-X represent...glad not to be in the Boomer vs Millenial War. Does that make me a draft dodger though?
@ufpros_over _hoes What the hell is a zoomer?
I was born in 83...I prefer to be called Xennial aka Oregon Trail generation.
It really is. It is a cheaper scar and I prefer it across the board
The Czech Skar...i dont care what anyone says...the Bren is sexy AF! I own a 9 inch pistol version in 762x39 and a 16 carbine in 556 and they are both sweet shooting.
Misha: Why CZ!?
CZ: You know why!
Aftermarket: Hi guys!
I though people complained about the 805 barrel being to thin? Now its to thicc?
I never complained about the 805 barrel being too thin, and honestly I can only think of one review out there that did level that complaint.
@@misha5670 I know you never did. I just heard other people in the past complain a little. One those it's not a big deal but would be nice type things.
I just wish somebody out there would make a CZ-2000 replica. Such a neat looking AK variant.
Not an AK variant, nothing in common other than the caliber and looks
I noticed the pistols barrel is stamped.223. Is it not chambered for 5.56?
I just bought a bren 2 ms and I thought it was light. I'm used to a tavor. And one thing that was a selling point for me is the larger hand guard. I have yeti hands so the old rail wouldn't be enough realestate for me.
I own the 11" Pistol with a SB Tactical Brace installed. I like the weight, the balance and the overall quality of the "Pistol". I 100% hated the handguard and replaced it with a HB Industries Hand Guard that works for both the 8", 11" and 14" guns. When you take off the original hand guard, you wonder if the engineer's at CZ are using drugs, as its needlessly complicated and really detracts from the gun. The HB Rail is simpler and covers the bottom of the gas block, to protect your hand. I opted to get QD swivel points on both sides of the handguard, so I don't need to buy extra Mlok adapters.
HB Industries makes the Handguard for the CZ Carbine and you will also find one in the folding stock kit that CZ USA sells, as it is one of the 922r parts required to SBR the pistol.
The Czech Army should ditch their current handguards and go with the Mlok HB Handguard and also lose the rear sling loops as they tend to hit may large nose and besides, its not 1992, so we all use QD Swivels now. I agree with Misha that the lightening cuts in the receiver need to come back. The rifles and the pistols need to be marked and chambered for 5.56x45 and not a mix of .223 and 5.56, The iron sights that come with the "pistols" are first rate and I keep mine folded on the rail and never use them, as its 2021 and "OPTICS", in my case a Trijicon MRO HD. CZ should develop and field flip up irons that fold flat on the rails, like the HK 416 or some for the modern G36 rail sights, which would save money and made the guns lighter (and cheaper) too.
$2k is a lot for a firearm in 2021 and if you compare it to a H&K 416, TB TG36, a FN SCAR or a SIG 55x series, etc. the CZ is a lighter gun and you will save $1,500 to $2,000 compared to buying these competitors. The CZ also takes MagPul Gen 2 (not Gen 3) mags which is nice.
I am very happy with my BREN 805, the reciprocating bolt handle and lack of a bolt release is no issue for me at all. Glad I have it as no more will be available or made.
The cz ak.thing of beauty
Does your charging handle grind into the frame?
I'd use the 16" heavy barrel carbine as a LSW with a 60rd and bipod
I am actually happy that the Carbine comes with a more robust barrel! I never looked into it but I kept hearing everyone complain about a pencil barrel so I assumed that is what my carbine came with but I am satisfied knowing what I know now.
It seems that the barrel profile has been a polarizing topic on the Bren 2 carbine. Personally the way I saw it, the carbine was meant more the civilian shooter in mind, with an increase/stability in accuracy through sustained fire (basically a DMR style). Plus the weight could potentially be balanced through an LVPO or other optic. However if you were looking for for a patrol/military-ish , the 14 inch model would be the way to go.
Regardless, thank you for your thoughts. Been waiting for this review.
LOL what bs. This gun is awesome and reliable as hell
The gas system is also setup for suppression unlike the pistol variants which is a plus in my book.
You sure on that? Looking at MAC's video, it just seems like they switched positions 1 and 2. Pistol has small hole on #1, large on #2. Carbine has a large hole at #1 and a smaller hole on #2.
@@misha5670 Thank you for you videos Misha and Jay! Yes that is correct. The 2nd position with the carbine is smaller and according to MAC's video here ruclips.net/video/gS7FeVaEQkY/видео.html like you mentioned he clarified with cz how the gas system is supposed to work. The smaller hole in the second position for suppression would seem sound as this would limit the increased gas created from running suppressed. So far I have run my Deadair Wolfman on my Bren2 carbine with no issues but its only seen like 100 rounds. I have also run the wolfman on my 7.62x39 Bren2 with a 14 inch barrel in position 1 with subsonic bear ammo. Super sonic ran but was very unpleasant to shoot. Just to note when I went back to no suppressor I had some failures to eject like every 2 or 3 rounds with Bear supersonic. I went home and checked the gas port which was some what gunked up but not that obstructed. I cleaned it up but I gotta take it back to see if that was the cause for the FTE. I am not sure if the short stroke piston gas system is that sensitive?
I think stovepiping would be more accurate but overall I think the bolt was not being cycled back with enough force to eject the spent casing properly. Just my novice assessment. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Call me fickle, but I wanted the MS over the S because the S is too similar looking to my 805 Bren. It is truly form over function, but I wanted different.
"Does it look military" Who cares.
Do YOU "look military"?
This comment really made me laugh....lol
I just got done watching and I've gotta say Misha, I'm really not picking up what you're putting down in this review.
I agree with a lot of Misha's assessments in his other videos but this one was disappointing to say the least.
For real.
I really enjoy how light, slim, and trimb the Bren 2S is. It sets it apart from many other guns on the market today. The Bren 2MS carbine retains the great quality, reliability, and durability of the Bren 2...no argument there. But it weighs 7.5 lbs w/ empty mag and while its totally a taste thing? I just don't really care for the long handguard or curvy/dipped in style of top rail. Oh and its a bit silly that CZ doesn't ship the 2MS carbine with BUIS, while putting them on all the other Bren variants; why?
@@darnellking2398 Such are opinions, and we can't all always agree right? That would be one boring world if we did too! I sincerely don't get how when the 805 was 8 lbs, it was 'heavy' for a lot of people, but the 2MS carbine's weight isn't a problem at 7.5 lbs? Granted, loosing 1/2 lb is nice, but it should be more. Afterall, the 8" Bren 2S pistol is just a tiny hair over 6 lbs unloaded.
@@Vlad81225 I just feel like that with the Bren 2S, CZ had what people wanted. Then with the 2MS pistol? Still a great gun but people don't seem to like the new HG as much. Now with the 2MS carbine, its even further from what it could have been. Its still a solid firearm, but its more of a target rifle now, where as the 2S was a very practical HD and tactical gun. All that said, I don't want people to agree with me all the time. That would be boring. But I've always been honest with you, and with the 2MS carbine? I'm just not feeling it *shrug*
I definitely agree I think the carbine is a step in the wrong direction, I would much prefer something closer to what their military uses because that’s the attraction number for me, that being said I also think the price is a big problem
CZ firearms are top tier. I think their prices are fair.
I have Bren 2MS' in 5.56/7.62 11.4 inch, I should have purchased 2S, great review
It looks like the FN Scar went on a diet . I will speculate that it’s a fine shooter.
The 2S & 2MS pistols are lighter than the SCAR-L, but actually the SCAR-L is lighter than the 2MS carbine. That was one of my major points in this video. Why go to such great lengths to remove weight from the 805 Bren when creating the Bren 2; only to add much of it right back with the 2MS carbine? Its not the weight itself that i dislike; its the entire process. Its like the Bren went on a diet, met her goal weight, and then went and lived on KFC for 2 weeks to celebrate.
@@Prizrak-hv6qk Agreed
Mine shot better than I expected.
I almost bought a bren pistol but ultimately ended up getting the galil pistol instead.
Back when they were $999 NIB? The Galil Ace was a hell of a deal for sure. To be fair though, the 805 PS1 got that low once too, and was again a great gun for the money.
Misha did the pistols get that low? I remember the rifle “blem” sale but only remember pistols getting down to 1200 or so ;)
@@bryanupton9872 hi bryan, fancy seein' you here. sell me your 553rp
Bryan Upton god I wish I impulse bought that blem deal. Holy crap those ACEs are nice
Hey just a heads up I have a galil ace 7.62x39 pistol.........AND FREAKING LOVE IT
It’s a good alternative to the scar 16 since they are discontinued for civilians
Heck, an AR15 is a good alternative to the SCAR-16; as are many other guns available today.
Any source for that? I don't see an official announcement from FN that they decided to quit making them, and it's especially odd for them to stop making them when SCARs sell like hot cakes when they get imported here.
@@killerratchet1973 SCAR 17s sell like hotcakes.
not the 16.
no one wants a 16.
I don't have any interest in owning a Bren rifle or pistol, but I do like them for what they are. Great video Misha.
i got the pistol and its fine, well it was fine after I got a brace and the hardware needed to secure the brace.
Which brace did you get?
@@SylentONE SBA3.
Its not perfect but it works.
I own the CZ Bren 2 MS 14" pistol in 7.62 which I converted to a rifle by getting a longer muzzlebrake and pinning and welding and I must say, I freaking love it so much I want to get the carbine in 5.56. Not sure if I want to do that or convert another 14" pistol to a rifle simply because I love everything about the 7 62 I converted lol
Your standard is"is it military"?
I wouldn't use the military as a high standard
I love my 2ms but they need to make some sort of delete for the handguard to make it more military. I love the look of the 2s. It's as beautiful as Czech woman
It looks great to me. I think if it had the slim barrel and the correct flash hider it would be perfect!
The longer gas system and HG I could live with. Its the barrel and slab sided receiver that really just change the looks for me personally. It just doesn't have that sleak feel of the original any more.
I own a M+M M10x in 7.62x39 with Magpul Zhukov stock. That’s the only ultra modern design rifle I own. I see a lot of similarities in the overall design philosophy, though the M10x was produced solely for the civilian market. I have it topped with a TA33 ACOG, and it’s a great shooter. It does seem like CZ is focused on the civilian/ sporting market, which I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing. Thanks for sharing Mishaco!
I want the M10X to succeed for the simple fact that I like the owner of M+M on a personal level. He's just a nice guy.
I have about 2000 rounds through mine and so far no issues. I wish the barrel was CHF, but they are working to get some and it’s fairly easy to change. Their trigger is also a little too light for my tastes, but I’ve grown accustomed to it now. Anywho...I’ve had the opportunity to shoot a Bren 1 and liked it. Haven’t put my hands on a Bren 2, but I agree that version seems like a step backwards.
Hi, Misha. Do you know more about barrel ? Is it chrome lined ? Barrel twist ? I can"t find any info...
Just remember Misha, it could always be worse. With an EOTech + side rail mount, handguard + flashlight, and AR15 buttstock + adapter, an AK-74M like your Saiga weighs just about 10lbs loaded lol
Its not the 2MS carbine's weight I have a problem with. If it were, then I wouldn't stil love the 805 carbine. Its the fact that the weight isn't necessary. The SGL31 is heavy(ish) because its an older design made from mostly steel. Czech CZ really really tried to take weight off when designing the Bren 2, and IMO, they succeeded beautifully. Why just add it back for the 2MS carbine?
Any info about the lot of Bren 2S that came out retail about a month ago? That was unexpected and I would have bought one if in 5.56. I already have a 2ms in x39, 805, csa vz58 and love them all
All seem to have been in 7.62x39. Since those sold less successfully than the .223 versions, I bet they were just leftovers from the original run....that or CZ, Czech simply screwed up and built a batch of 2S instead of 2MS by mistake. Think that can't happen? Remember when IWI Israel built all those Galil Ace pistols with 3rd pin holes? lol
How did you get the 14.5 in barrel?
We miss you over at TFR
Truth is using the website, while i can do it, requires so much time that it just ends up being stressful.
No worries we all know you’re still alive on RUclips.
Looks ecactly like the 308 bren 2 battle rifle. My guess is cz used the same barrel profile and gas system from the battle rifle for ease of manufacturing.
I get that it’s not a Czech Mil-Spec copy of the issued Bren. It will probably wind up being rare and hard to find. I’d keep it. In a world of AR’s I’d want it just to be different than the rest of the pack. Pistol or carbine it’s a CZ and I love all things Cz. Just my 2 cents.
But if all were available and for the same money; which would you prefer? The 2S, 2MS pistol, or 2MS carbine?
Misha that’s a really good question. I’d probably go carbine since it includes the stock and that way I don’t have to mess with SBR hassle and cost and purchasing the expensive stock. The pistols always have wiggle in the adapters that I’ve seen and handled for braces and stocks. The carbine i handled was rock solid. I definitely appreciate the purist point of view and it’s just as valid as any reason to have it the way you want it. I wouldn’t go 7.62x39 since the magazine is proprietary. Yuck. Why not take AK mags? Only the most common mag on the planet.
@@fuzzyreticle got mine because I wanted something besides another AR and the bren is great for lefties
I'd get it just because I hate charging handles for AR's
I saw the barrel extension and was all disappointed and then you said SBR and I was all smiles! That’s going to be amazing Misha!
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I guess I'm not going to SBR it now because people keep down-voting the idea.....lol j/k
Thanks for the detailed information. I just got the rifle/carbine MS version. I couldn't find a pistol version so opted for the rifle/carbine. It's is a bit heavy for me which is a concern due to my support hand/arm was injured previously. We'll see.
I just will repeat what i said under another video about this gun.
Hello Misha!
I really do not get it. It is only in USA when people looking lets say at the AK and notice every single scratch or change in design even if it is insignificant. People looking at wear on AK parts every 1000 Rds. That's just funny. In Afghanistan Russians just throwed away guns with round count of 5000+.
Same here with Bren. Lightning cuts? You are kidding right? You do not understand why? I tell you why. To save some time and because of it some money. Yes, if you do not cut those lightning cuts on one gun savings of the time is not great, but multiply it by amount of guns in total and you will see the difference. Again saving time, money and last and not least tools.
Now here comes question? Are all AK are the same? All MILITARY AKs are the same? Hell no! Are they authentic enough? Hell yes depending on the country. Look at the Galil Ace Gen.2. Receivers, plastic parts, hand guards and other stuff are different from original.. 1st. Gen Galil Ace is different from original Galils. Are they authentic enough as military guns?
Let me ask you this. Did you see lately Russian special forces units and their AK rifles? Those guys are in military right? Look what kind hand guards and stocks and other accessories they are using. So they are not military rifles anymore?
So because CZ changed rails( by the way I like them on Ms more), hand guards and they do not do lightning cuts is it a different rifle? Hell no! It is a same rifle and only collector goofs can complain about such a things. And another thing Misha. Please do not talk about things you know nothing about . Mostly about Russia and politic things in that country. You know exactly nothing about some inside things. Just talk about guns. Latest sanctions about Navalniy right? They told you so. Yeah right. Thats all about gun control. By the way. Do you know who is Navalniy? Person like him deserves what happened to him. Nothing less. About Bren2 . A year later Bren 2s cost more then 2Ms just because gun bloggers like you started all that BS about military and non military. And they are $1000 more right now. This is stupid to say at least. They are same guns from same manufacturer. They exactly same. Do you know that civilian SCAR different from military? Do I need to continue?
Is there another batch of Bren 2s manufactured in 2020 or are they different from the 2018 version? Picked one up from Buds Gun Shop in 7.62x39 11” in July!
The caliber is the key there for those.
I'll buy it for the discounted price! Is it going on Gunbroker?
The buttstock is what the SCAR stock should have been from the beginning
To be fair to the SCAR stock, it was designed a decade before the Bren 2 stock.
@@misha5670 what year did Magpul start development on the Masada?
Lol... great intro Misha... think ill stick to the 11"
Its still my favorite too. That said, if CZUSA put a 14" barrel assembly for sale on their site, I'd buy it too. I do like the bayo lug look of it also.
Why not the 14" pinned and welded?
Will need 922r compliant parts
I suspect the heavy barrel with the muzzle break is to conform to some ban state requirements. MD for instance has copy cat restrictions. Basically a copycat weapon is any gun that has a detachable magazine and two evil features such as folding stocks, grenade launchers, and flash suppressors. Some decisions by CZ USA, I guess are made so they could sell the same rifle in as many states as possible.
Nope, no state has a barrel weight requirement. And any state that bans 'flash hiders' also bans 'threaded muzzles.' Truth is most ban states out there like CA, NY, MA, and CT have all tightened their laws since 2013. These days, they are even more restrictive, and that evil folding buttstock would never fly either.
@@misha5670 I only know of MD specifically. If they had stuck a flash hider on the carbine it would become a banned rifle in Maryland. The MCX is banned for the same reason. The Scar however is not because that comes with a muzzle break.
I was waiting for the kitty to throw up to voice its displeasure.
Have you seen my kitties? They don't seem to mind some extra weight haha
I’m about to buy a surplus firearm off you sir. Totally random but I happened upon a firearm you were selling and totally random you happen to leave me a voicemail and I recognized your voice.Pretty damn cool day🇺🇸🤘🏼I bought my bren2ms8 inch in 556 thanks to this guys spectacular reviews(I’m glad I got mine when I did in 2019)
What folding adapter is that for the buffer tube ?
There is no buffer tube. its piston driven and doesnt require it.
was waiting for this carbine, then i saw what they did to it. if they just added a stock to the 14.5" pistol and pin/weld a brake it would have been GTG.
I've been correcting this online as often as i am able, only because I don't want anyone to under-shoot the magic 16" length. The barrel is called a 14" and not 14.5". In reality, its a bit longer, at a bit under 14.2". So you need about a 2.5" device to insure legality. This is absolutely not an attack on you' just like I said, i am afraid someone might use an extended A2 meant for a Colt 14.5" barrel, so unknowingly still have an unregistered SBR.
@@misha5670 Not to mention 922r compliant parts
You obviously are very interested in just putting up a negative video I have one of these and am lot biased and your video is full of snot
Lmao that was a great intro🤣 1 vote here to see more like this haha
The ms pistol is growing on me especially with the 10 inch rail from hb coming out I see no need for a carbine.
Great review but very disappointing. I had been holding out for the carbine version because I really like the look of the stock on the carbine. I like pencil barreled AR’s definitely not a fan of heavy barreled rifles or how they tend to balance.
I've been warning people for awhile now that the carbine would be heavier than the pistol; but even I was amazed how much she porked up over the last year. Lay off the fastfood and hit the gym again Brenna hehe.
Still lighter than the SCAR
Came for the Misha rage. Then stayed for the whole video. Good stuff!
Honestly, i can accept the longer gas system and M-LOK handguard. Ok, fine. But no lightning cuts, a swoopy top rail, and a needlessly heavy barrel? Those are decisions that CZUSA didn't have to make. I do not see how they could improve the gun for anyone; collector or shooter alike.
I get why Misha has complaints but he's a military collector. People aping his complaints that aren't military collectors don't actually make alot of sense. People complain, wanting thinner barrel for weight reduction but also wants military rail that adds more weight! A military rail adds more weight up front. Also, the bren 805 carbine is notoriously heavy but people seem to ignore that fact.
What is the thread on the 2 MS x39? And can you recommend a 2" flash hider?
Also I'd need a hider that can accept a bayonet
@@brendanb1541 Does your X39 14" have a bayo lug? Most don't seem to.
@@misha5670 Yes I have the lug on my x39 14", I got one very early when the MS hit the market.
Beretta ARX 100 or Bren 2 Carabine?
I feel the arx didn’t get the attention it deserved
Can you still find a beretta arx 100 in 2020?
ARX 100 availability is nil.
@@palo1942 no
I had this same debate with myself.
Bren 2 carbine has more aftermarket support. The ARX100 seems to have been abandoned by Beretta.
Also, the folding stock catch was built into the upper receiver mold, no way to replace it, and it would eventually wear.
The ARX100 was made to be able to quickly change out the barrel, possibly to easily switch from 5.56 to .300, but all production on it died out, so having a quick change barrel is pointless.
Best intro ever!
Can someone summarize what he said
Did anyone get tritium inserts in their 2ms flip up sights?
Sorry, I wouldn't know even if i did.
Where? Cz-usa store?
The book says it comes with tritium but appears to be a ten minute charge by flashlight concept
but it looks so cooool
Was jonesing for a 762x39 version. Not sure how they are going to sell a gun that you can't get magazines for.
HB Industries sells an adapter that you can insert in to the 7.62x39 magazine well so that it can take 7.62x39 AR15 magazines. I shot my 11" 7.62x39 Bren 2Ms with one this weekend. It ran 100%. The 7.62x39 magazines I used were D&H, ASC and RZE Unimags.
This. I have 1 fucking magazine for my gun. Who knows if there'll be more before November.
I think CZ should make a semi auto UK59. The Israeli style semi compact CZ75 would make me happy too.
The MCM UK VZ.59 is beautiful. A friend owns one.
Love your review Mishaco, and love the Bren !
Would anybody be able to help me get the factory back plate tha comes with the pistol and allows mounting an AR-15 buffer tube ?
I’m getting ready to sbr a pistol if you still need it
Think I’ll cut the weight with an SBR version , good review
What kind of red dot is that?
Love mine, get over it comes to mind
Just make the cz gen 2 all looking original !!!!!
Of course 922 complaint
I’m in California
Amazing when this came to us
Been waiting for this for years!!!
Yep gonna change the handguard to hb
Looks amazing on it!!!!
And lol!!
I want the original waffle butt stock!!!!
Who wouldn’t want that !!!
Original looking military cz gen2 I’m gonna put the iron sights
And I’m waiting for my elcan specter dr to put on it!!!!
Gotta figure out what iron sights to put
Since
Yes it should have added !!!
Yep California compliant!!!
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A smaller profile on the barrel definitely would've been better. Agree with your thoughts no sights is a rip off. Maybe on the next update they'll listen.
Considering the Bren 2S/2MS already had really good accuracy with the light profile barrel, i really don't 'think' going to a heavier one would improve things enough to justify the weight gain? But hey, i could be totally wrong.
@Jones The military's 11" 2A2 has a lightweight profile barrel. The 14" 2A1 has an ever so slightly heavier barrel, but its still very much a light weighter.
"WHERE IS 'HI, MISHA HE-' oh wait, lol"
For being oddly obsessed about “military” for God knows what reason, this guy sure has some shit *non-military* optics and accessories on these things 🤣🤣
You do not see difference between SCAR and Bren2? There is. You do not shoot groups. SCAR is more accurate.
He mentioned purchasing a 14 inch gun, welding the flash hider, and then swapping the stock. Are you allowed to do that if the firearm is transferred as a pistol? Would you have to form one it into a rifle?
100% legal to transform a 'pistol' into a 'rifle'.
You'd only have to SBR it if the barrel was under 16" after you welded it and you added a stock.
Seems like if it had the lightweight you might have a different attitude about the gun overall I realize you’ve got a number of greivances but a lighter barrel at least make it more practical
Exactly, make the 2S pistol with a 16" barrel if needed.
I got one of the first carbines to come into the country. It came out of the box with a loose trunnion/barrel. It wouldn't break 3moa regardless of ammo. I hated it and sold it for a scar 16 after only 2 weeks..
With any gun, i usually try and avoid the very first run as more often than not, they have some issues (even if they are small or just cosmetic). The ARX100, X95, SIG556, etc...all had early issues just because that's how mass production works.
@@misha5670 I wanted to love it so bad. I'm a huge CZ fanboy! Alas, it was a disappointment. soft shooter and ran 700rds reliably, it just didn't look like a Bren 2 should and the accuracy was garbage. My scar 16 on the other hand is everything I wanted in a Piston 5.56!
I'm sorry Misha but I just can't help but crack a grin hearing you bitch about the lack of iron sights. 😁
100% agree .
I heard that as 'the chick military'
I wouldn't mess with an all-'Chick' military personally.
@Jeremiah Cherry Now you've done it. You know you're on a list! lol
@Jeremiah Cherry at least you would hear them coming. The bitching and moaning.... OMG Sandra wore the same shoes as me. Bitch.
I'm not a fan either on how the carbine version of the Bren 2 turned out to be a "sportorized target shooting rifle" , since I missed out on the original 805 bren due to it being discontinued I was expecting the bren 2 to be a new and improved version that retained its features as a military rifle for us civilians. For me I feel having the heavy barrel is unnecessary as it adds more weight, not a fan of the hand guard, it not coming with any iron sights (though it seems gun companies are starting to not include sights anymore). I just can't help but to feel disappointed as well since the original 805 and the bren 2 S had something unique about it that made me interested in it in the first place. The carbine version of the bren 2 just feels almost like "another AR" as you said with how Americanized it became, I'm sure it's still a great rifle for what it is but with it being a "target shooting DMR rifle" and not a lightweight patrol rifle it losses its appeal for me.
Oh for sure, I have little doubt that it is a reliable and accurate rifle. And so what? How many reliable and accurate rifles do we have these days? Not sarcasm, i really hope CZUSA knows what its doing and this turns out to be the right business decision. We've lost too many firearms and even too many companies in the past year.
I agree the same words as the intro.
Checkout the CZ Bren 2 community over at www.reddit.com/r/Bren2
Misha you know I had to jump on here! Thanks for going in depth and giving me 100 extra things to dislike about this gun that I hadn’t even noticed before! Lol
Thanks for causing me to get inky finger tips and donate another $200 to the Federal gov't....bastard lol.
Misha The best (and only) way to get a military bren stock for your soon to be SBR! Thank God the pistol is everything the rifle isn’t!
Bren 805 is the better looking of all of them.
I like it too, its unique.
I in no way shape or form can I agree with this! The Bren 2 is superior and MUCH Better Looking than the original 805.
I think we can all agree that the Bren 805 and Bren 2S are a lot more attractive than the Bren 2 MS/MS carbine, hands down! I agree with Misha's standpoint on the Bren 2S upper receiver/handguard. I think it's just better overall.
To me the Bren 2ms was a huge let down. For the reasons pointed out here im good with just my 805. I hope they go a different route with the BR 308 version. It would be harder to say no to that.
Dirk Diggler why no bren 2 love?
@@DavidThomas-sp2yc I think its a good rifle but doesnt look like a bren to me. It looks like a m+m m10x with that goofy handgaurd. At this point id rather pay more for a scar because it doesn't look bubba'd.
@@levinlevinallday To be fair, they didn't change the pistol grip .....yet.....lol.
Play at 1.25X speed and still talking slow and monotonous
Misha could’ve been a hand model...
Well hands, or rather fingers, are rather important when your eyeballs no-worko hehe.
“Car-been”. Not “car - biine”. Jesus.
CZ has screwed up the Bren 2 with the ms modifications...they should have stuck with the original 2s design vs all these stupid "improvements"...their quality has went down and QC on these latest Brens are laughable...all the ones I have seen in shops have terrible slop in the receivers...