"...sometimes we just have to make unreasonable decisions and just buy what we want, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense objectively." You just summarized this hobby, LOL. I have a DD Pro 8 Nm, McLaren GT3 rim, and CSL pedals with LC brake. Is it perfectly fine for my needs? Yes. Do I want fancy simagic stuff? Absolutely.
Just FYI on this, the hydraulic set uses 9 elastomers, the non hydraulic uses 8. I just bought the hydaulic version and installed it, and it was confusing because they instructions show the non hydraulic version and says only use 8 elastomers. But when you open the elastomar 'container' it has 9 preinstalled from factory. If you look up the hydraulic upgrade instructions, it also shows a picture with 9 elastomers. I also noticed if you use 8 with the hydraulic set, the elastomer cover screws all the way down when it's actually supposed to be the preload for the brakes. You have to have 9 in there for it to be adjustable for preload.
I just ordered these. Been wanting them for months. Simagic is incredible. I have the alpha u and fx pro and couldn’t be happier after a year of owning them. They’re perfect. And so affordable compared to comparable products on the market just like the pedals. This company is amazing
I just got the alpha u and p1000 but coming from moza having a difficult time setting them up properly. How did you get through that initial setup phase
@@llavaertsorry I don’t have RUclips notifications and just saw this after coming back to this video. I don’t know if you’re still struggling but tbh it was just trial and error for me like Dan says in this video. I spent a lot of time setting up profiles for iRacing, ACC, and LMU just based off of what I personally want to feel. I want to recreate real life as much as possible so I try to get the correct wheel weight and feel with ffb. (Example: in ACC I run 35-40% depending on the car. While having everything in the Simagic software strength-wise set to 100%. Ffb details is maxed while damping & inertia is 0. Mechanical grip is around 30-40%.) Some people who try my rig say it’s too heavy for them but for me, it’s perfect, and it’s about as heavy as a gt3/4 car. I haven’t driven one myself…yet…Lol, but I have had an amateur gt3 driver test out my rig and help me tune it to be as close to the cars he’s driven as possible. And I’ve talked to Daniel morad a lot at races about this Lol. Everyone is different like I said, but I personally go for accuracy to irl. So you gotta spend the time to figure out what works for you. For the haptics on the pedals I use simhub like Daniel said in this video. Spent hours fine tuning suspension bumps and ABS and tc/wheel slip and lock in that as well
Never ever get new pedals to try and get them to feel the same as pld. Thats the biggest mistake ever. You always have to adapt to new pedals. Find a good feel for pressure and or travel and adapt. Me i added more trsvle with softer setup like dan and wow did it mske my trail braking and times so much better and im so kuch more consistent. If i tried making it feel like ym elite v2 from fanatec it would have ruined the improvements and me being better. You can order the springs also and it can help alot for people coming for cheaper sets. That brake mit is amazing. @llavaert
Hy Dan! Thanks again for the review! For me your observations about the elastomers and his behavior associated to the load cell are 100% accurate. I studied Aerospace Engineering having many subjects studied dedicated over materials structures and mechanisms. Then it seems to me that your observations about the behavior of elastomers in combination with the load cell are absolutely ok for me. Finally, a correct and subjective analysis is made on this topic. I like to see that some youtubers, plenty of passion and really good intentions dedicated themselves to trying explain it, but it is a relief to see when someone does it with knowledge and really scientific thinking behind as you do. I hope can get the P1000 in a few months, and I think that those rigid spacers that's not included from scratch could be easy made in ABS with a 3d printer added to your recommendations in your previous video. Thanks again for made and share this!
I'm so glad you covered the issue with this whole elastomer relaxing issues. I think some people have trained their muscle memory for position, rather than purely on pressure (whether they're aware of it or not), and they're the ones having the relaxing elastomer issues.
not entirely, i had CSL LC and had my memory trained for pressure. after updating to P1000 I encountered this issue using the same pressure as before. My further tests showed (at least in my case) its more related to the pressure applied and elastomers used. after i removed one grey rubber elastomer (softer one) and replaced it with a metal washer and lowered calibrated pressure a bit, stability improved drastically. I also tested with with the PU from CSL and it was also much better. So to me it's an issue with some of the 'rubbers' used that cannot handle higher pressures. So with mostly PU parts it's ok, the more rubber ones you add (grey and black) the worse relaxation will become if you apply enough pressure.
I'm starting to suspect that the elastomers on the Simagic pedals are deforming under pressure. Laurence Dusoswa shows this on his review of the VNM pedals.
i agreed heal rest plate is to short in my opinion either, however i solve this problem by screw it under by using diferent holes, but now there's a gape between pedals and plate
To eliminate the odd feeling on the pedal faces you could put something in the hole once you've decided the position you like. Exactly what to put in there depends on how deep the recessed screws are and how thick your filler is but the first thing I'd try are those stick on felt pads you put under a chair's legs so it'll slide smoothly on a hardwood floor. I've seen them at hardware stores, Rite Aide & CVS. Another material you might want to try are those wax mouldable ear plugs. You can break off what you don't need & mould it into the exact shape & size of the hole. I think they'd stay in there on their own, if not, cover w/ Gorilla Tape (the best wearing of all duct tapes ive used). A third material is fill w/ glue from a hot glue gun. Let it harden then cut off the excess. This last one may make it VERY hard to remove the glue to access the screws again, but in my experience all the glue applied in that application tends to come off all at once, not so much if part got a chance to harden b4 adding more.
I was very impressed with your explanation of elastomers. It was comprehensive and all correct. It really shows that you studied the subject to make sure you understood it fully yourself before making a video about it.
Really appreciate this review. This helped me decide between the P1000s and the SimLab XP1 brakes. These just have way more options but, it was close, I love the chunky build of the SimLab hardware.
Do you like them? I'm in the same boat as you where, have a simagic alpha base and want to replace my Fanatec V3's It's nice to go completely Simagic, but i like the looks of the XP1.
Logically, load cells with a more dense/harder elastomer stack will provide a more linear brake response in relation to pedal travel compared to a softer elastomer stack as the pressure is more directly applied.
I have the p1000 in my main cockpit and the asetek forte in the secondary cockpit and I am liking the asetek ones a little more. Especially when you get the hang of the brake.
I'm glad you mentioned not feeling the "hydrolic feel". I just swapped out my Asetek Invicta pedals for Simucube ActivePedals. I was using the Asetek's since launch and never once thought it felt in any way hydrolic.
Interesting, as I've largely heard great things about the Asetek Invictas. Did it feel like a traditional spring or elastomer pedal? Something else entirely?
Yeah, basically what Dan said. They are great quality pedals. Personally, I feel like they made me more consistant and therefore faster, but they pretty much just feel like any other elastomer pedal to me. @@flyingphoenix113
You are why I got these. I'm so happy right now. Now you get more options with the purchase luckily and they come out of the box but which is nice. It's funny because when testing them side by side at microcenter the simicube actives and these the effects really really felt so close like you stated. At that moment I'm like yep these are it. The brake feel also has like the perfect travel when setup. Like probably the best experience trail braking I've had besides the simucube actives. But the enjoyment and feel I got was to close to my preference to ever warrant 4k dollars for a set of pedals. Maybe one day I'll just buy the brake wink
Nach langem hin und her, hab ich nun beschlossen das G29 in Rente zu schicken. Nun ist eine Alpha Mini + GT Neo und die P1000 Pedale bestellt, ich denke (hoffe), das wird ein komplett neues Erlebnis :D Danke für den 5% Code, hat immerhin die Versandkosten abgedeckt👍
Good timing mate, bought a set yesterday and so far enjoying the ease of use of both the adjustment and software. Bought two haptic reactors and again so simple to set up.
10:07 but what!?!?!? 😲.... I can't find that springs kit on the Simagic website or at any distributor 🙁...... how I can get this??? edit: ah.. ok.. ok... that it still has not been released... well I hope it's soon :).
An official spring kit, what great news, I see they are on sale now! Thanks for the information. Using the P1000 with the hydraulic kit with soft elastomers (gray), there is a lot of elastomer decompression, which is a real problem... I have to switch the crankset to "angular" mode to correct this problem. So I can't wait to test this spring kit! Do you know the difference between a hydraulic crankset with a pressure sensor, and a hydraulic crankset with a loadcell sensor (like the P1000)? Thank you for your always sharp reviews.
Cool Video, thx! I have the 2 Padel Hydraulic set at home sice a month now and they are great! I changed the elastomers with a after market spring by myself as the spring set from simagic wasn‘t available. They‘re really a great set!
Great review and test, about to get the VRS pedals, but there are new pedal sets comming out every week :D The evolution of sim gear is going so fast. I think I'll have to reconsider the VRS pedals
I have the VRS pedals and absolutely love them! Definitely buy them. You won't be disappointed. I'm thinking about adding the simagic haptic feedback add-on to my break.
If you do the vrs. Keep the blue string in and insert 25mm spacers. Brake feels super linear. The red spring is too stiff imo. Was messing with my knee
I have the VRS and Simucube Active pedals. I would go with simucube p1000 or p2000 with haptic on the brake. Is gamechanging. Also the pedal faces in VRS or not that nice with socks to be honest.
Nah the VRS brake is better, just look at the shitty elastomer stack the p1000 uses. Basically an upgraded Fanakek v3. You can also mount simagic haptics to them if you want.
Nice and complete review! As one of the early adopters from these pedals I have to say I love them, coming from Heusinkveld Pro. Although the Race Beyond Matter video got me in doubt about them. In the software the degradation of the input is clearly visible, but I never experienced or felt it when I was racing and that's the most important part. Don't focus on anything that doesn't matter when you are using the pedals to what they are built to do. Now trying to find the rumble motors somewhere in stock, that's the hardest part...
Would you pick these over the SRP SimRacing-Pro pedals and how is Simagic customer service vs SRP customer service? Also, SRP haptic now. Thank you for your time on these reviews.
Thank you for your reviews. I will strongly consider buying Simagic when getting into simracing again in 2024. Last setup was Logitech G29 many years ago. But would you please consider to set your camera on something else than your table, since it shakes whenever you move, and it's a little nauseating.
Looking to upgrade from my moza SR-P pedals, not too sure if it be a giant upgrade. i Love the Moza SR-P but i just want my pedals to match my simagic alpha mini lol.
Really enjoyed this review. The one thing I wish that they would do is to offer the inverted kit with the gas pedal so it can be mounted on the bottom and still have the brake and clutch on the top. That would be really handy, I mean that you could mount it either on the top or the bottom. But I would like it to be mounted on the bottom so it would have a better angle for heal and toe. Other than that they are what I am looking at for in an upgrade from the Thrustmaster T-LMC Pedals. Thank you sir for the share.
Very cool, but seeing as one of the main selling points is a hydraulic brake, I have my doubts as to the longevity of the off-brand Chinese hydraulics. Especially considering my experience with cheap Chinese hydraulic bicycle brakes.
Good review, but the complaint about the haptic being to loud, I don't think matters when you have headphones or using speakers, and most likely your other sim racing peripherals make noise also.
So Dan, if you had to choose a 2 pedal set, no clutch, would it be SRP, Simagic or Asetek? I currently have the original Heusinkveld Pro's and they feel extremely outdated.
I’m between these with the haptics for brake/throttle and the additional spring/rubber kit and the VRS pedals. Speed is definitely important but I’m far from a pro so also looking for a fun experience. Any recommendation between the two?
Hi Dan, i like your reviews a lot, helped me out deciding on cpu and graficscard a lot (settled on 5800x3d and rtx 4070 ti). I am now in the market for a new set of pedals coming fromthe danatec v3s. It will go down between the simagic p1000 and the simlab xp1. What would be your recommendation, have you had the chance on (at least briefly) test the simlab xp1 as well? Kind regards
Great video always. I have a question. Aren’t you supposed to use 9 elastomers with the hydraulic pedal set? I’ve actually worked with their support team on a separate issue and they recommended 9 total in their discord and on their elastomer guide for each car type. Example from the Simagic guide: GT3 Car: 3 red, 3 blue, 3 gold (aluminum)
Finally a haptic feedback for a pedal that makes sense. It actually pushes back against your foot instead of a twirly spinny thing that feels weird. I don't have ABS or a pedal feedback because I didn't want a third bass shaker for my pedal, but this one makes total sense.
These haptic motors are bass shakers, it uses simhub. A glorified version of the $20 sound exciters sim racing corner fabricated. Sim magic should credit him.
Hello, I don’t know if my previous comment is published, I was asking about those pedals, I saw Simagic selling a set of P1K with the Hydraulics installed, does this version come with the brake piston? As well do you have any idea if the new set of brake springs are included in the new version? Also please I couldn’t find the link that describes the Haptic reactor installation guide. Sorry for this long comment, and thanks mate for your reviews.
I like a lot about these pedals, but not being able to move them left and right was a dealbreaker for me (especially vs other options at a similar price point). It was one of the things I disliked about the Fanatec V3s and that I looked forward to changing when I bit the bullet and decided to replace them. It does make the integrated based and connections into it very neat & tidy, but the sacrifice isn't worth it, IMO.
@@wangte27 I can't see any way to adjust the left/right spacing of any individual pedal. The P1000 pedal tray only appears to have a single left/right position for each pedal? No, I haven't tried it, because this was one of the reasons I bought different pedals.
Reaching out to see if you have any issues with FPE v1 wheel while driving F1 2023 as far as missing a upshift or just not shifting properly, I'm asking cause after 3 years I had new shifters put on and now I'm told that its the game not the shifters.
Hey Dan. Would you mind sharing your SimHub Wheel Lock settings for the haptic reactor? I’ve been playing around with it and I’m not having much luck finding a good setup just yet. Thanks!
I would like to upgrade my Heusinkveld Sprint which are currently equipped with Sim3D rumble motors. Does it make sense to get the Simagic Haptic Reactors as an upgrade or should I just go all in (get the P1000 with haptic reactors)? Are the P1000 pedals an overall upgrade in brake feel? The 60 kg loadcell of the Heusinkvelds is sufficient for me.
Out of interest why are you guys upgrading the Sprints? Is it for the extra options of the haptics or hydraulics, or do you find the Sprints lacking in other ways? I'm going to have space for a proper rig at some point next year, and can start looking for better pedals at last, and have always thought the Sprints look to be decently put together even if they lack the bells and whistles of newer pedals, so would appreciate hearing why people are moving away from them if you have a moment!
I want a clutch pedal, I don’t want to pay $160 for one. It might be cheaper for me to sell my 2 HS’s and buy a new set of 3 pedals elsewhere. I love my sprints. But no one is selling used clutches. And I’m not paying the inflated amount that most websites are asking.
Amazing review of the pedals, very detailed! I plan on upgrading next year from Moza SRP lite pedals, would you say the base 3 pedal set P1000s are a better option than HE Sprint pedals?
I am having the same issue with the short heel rest- were you able to come up with a solution for the issue? If anyone has suggestions please comment. Thanks
If you're happy with the sprints then maybe just add a reactor to those. The biggest downsides for the sprints imo is the low brake pressure - but if that's fine for you I don't see any reason to upgrade.
Hey Dan, You're not comparing these pedals with the SIm-Lab XP1. Can you tell us why? And which of these two kits would you prefer? I'm hesitating between them both. Thanks
I don't have the P2000 so I can't properly compare it. From my brief impression in a testrig I'd say P1000 - but then again, this needs proper testing :)
Did anyone do an "elastomer" count? I would like to ask Dan, without the haptic reactor would you still choose the P1000 over the VRS and Simgrade VX in pure performance? If you really wanted to win a race.
Massiv upgrade. The Fanatec V3, even fully spec out, are extremely overpriced and terrible in comparison to every other set of pedals in the same pricerange. I would never ever recommend the V3s to anyone. When you need console compatibility i would choose the Elite V2 over the V3. In your case buy the P1000 and you will feel a whole new world.
Indeed! I changed my v3 with sim 3D rumbles and BPK for the inverted P1000 with 2 haptics and hydraulic kit. The difference was so obvious immediately. (hydraulic kit is not important). Ease of use and customization and the feel of quality are just the first shocking things comparing to v3. But I also got faster very soon. Haptics also had a great role to it. (using them via Simhub)
Yes. I had the v3. And tested a lot of different expensive pedals. All of them where much much better than the v3. The p1000 are the best pedals I testet. (He Sprint, invicta, bj hydraulic, racewerk s1 hydraulic)
great video as always. can i install those P-HPR(Haptic pedals Reactor) on Heusinkveld Ultimate+ ? i have 3 pedal set. if yes, then how many are enough ?
@@DanSuzuki Thank you for replying, really appreciate your reply. I rarely get reply from channel owners. what motion system would you choose/prefer, D-box (1.5 inch) or qubicsystem's QS-220-PL (100 mm aka 3.93701 inch) ? Thanks again. Keep up the great work.
@@DanSuzuki Thank you, the only question comes to mind is 1.5 inches enough ? and thats what stopping me from going to D-Box systems. Really appreciate your reply. Thanks for your time.
So you prefer these over the SRP pedals then, I'm curious as to why or what specifically you prefer. (oh i'm sorry, you answered what I "wanted to hear" in the end portion, my bad, Keep up the great work dan)
A mi no me ha quedado claro cuál prefiere, dice que le encanta la sensación de los pistones neumáticos, ¿pero estos srp serían su siguiente opción despues de Simucube?
Hallo ich stehe nach 1jahr Pause vor der Wahl welche pedale ich kaufen soll. Zuletzt hatte ich die VRS aber man hört eig nur positives von den P1000. Welche von beiden würdest du empfehlen? Liebe Grüße
"...sometimes we just have to make unreasonable decisions and just buy what we want, even if it doesn't make a lot of sense objectively."
You just summarized this hobby, LOL. I have a DD Pro 8 Nm, McLaren GT3 rim, and CSL pedals with LC brake. Is it perfectly fine for my needs? Yes. Do I want fancy simagic stuff? Absolutely.
Just FYI on this, the hydraulic set uses 9 elastomers, the non hydraulic uses 8. I just bought the hydaulic version and installed it, and it was confusing because they instructions show the non hydraulic version and says only use 8 elastomers. But when you open the elastomar 'container' it has 9 preinstalled from factory. If you look up the hydraulic upgrade instructions, it also shows a picture with 9 elastomers. I also noticed if you use 8 with the hydraulic set, the elastomer cover screws all the way down when it's actually supposed to be the preload for the brakes. You have to have 9 in there for it to be adjustable for preload.
I just ordered these. Been wanting them for months. Simagic is incredible. I have the alpha u and fx pro and couldn’t be happier after a year of owning them. They’re perfect. And so affordable compared to comparable products on the market just like the pedals. This company is amazing
I just got the alpha u and p1000 but coming from moza having a difficult time setting them up properly. How did you get through that initial setup phase
@@llavaertsorry I don’t have RUclips notifications and just saw this after coming back to this video. I don’t know if you’re still struggling but tbh it was just trial and error for me like Dan says in this video. I spent a lot of time setting up profiles for iRacing, ACC, and LMU just based off of what I personally want to feel. I want to recreate real life as much as possible so I try to get the correct wheel weight and feel with ffb. (Example: in ACC I run 35-40% depending on the car. While having everything in the Simagic software strength-wise set to 100%. Ffb details is maxed while damping & inertia is 0. Mechanical grip is around 30-40%.)
Some people who try my rig say it’s too heavy for them but for me, it’s perfect, and it’s about as heavy as a gt3/4 car. I haven’t driven one myself…yet…Lol, but I have had an amateur gt3 driver test out my rig and help me tune it to be as close to the cars he’s driven as possible. And I’ve talked to Daniel morad a lot at races about this Lol. Everyone is different like I said, but I personally go for accuracy to irl. So you gotta spend the time to figure out what works for you.
For the haptics on the pedals I use simhub like Daniel said in this video. Spent hours fine tuning suspension bumps and ABS and tc/wheel slip and lock in that as well
Never ever get new pedals to try and get them to feel the same as pld. Thats the biggest mistake ever. You always have to adapt to new pedals. Find a good feel for pressure and or travel and adapt. Me i added more trsvle with softer setup like dan and wow did it mske my trail braking and times so much better and im so kuch more consistent. If i tried making it feel like ym elite v2 from fanatec it would have ruined the improvements and me being better.
You can order the springs also and it can help alot for people coming for cheaper sets. That brake mit is amazing. @llavaert
I was an early adopter and they have been great and continue months later, no problems at all :)
Great review. I just bought this set with 2 motors and elastomer and spring kit. I learned a lot from you.
Hy Dan! Thanks again for the review! For me your observations about the elastomers and his behavior associated to the load cell are 100% accurate. I studied Aerospace Engineering having many subjects studied dedicated over materials structures and mechanisms. Then it seems to me that your observations about the behavior of elastomers in combination with the load cell are absolutely ok for me. Finally, a correct and subjective analysis is made on this topic. I like to see that some youtubers, plenty of passion and really good intentions dedicated themselves to trying explain it, but it is a relief to see when someone does it with knowledge and really scientific thinking behind as you do. I hope can get the P1000 in a few months, and I think that those rigid spacers that's not included from scratch could be easy made in ABS with a 3d printer added to your recommendations in your previous video. Thanks again for made and share this!
Awesome, thank you very much for your feedback 😊
@@DanSuzuki Hi Dan! Was würdest du mir empfehlen Simagic Alfa u oder Simucube Sport? Danke im voraus.
Authentic, Knowledgeable guy that's straight to the point. Subscribed!
I'm so glad you covered the issue with this whole elastomer relaxing issues. I think some people have trained their muscle memory for position, rather than purely on pressure (whether they're aware of it or not), and they're the ones having the relaxing elastomer issues.
not entirely, i had CSL LC and had my memory trained for pressure. after updating to P1000 I encountered this issue using the same pressure as before. My further tests showed (at least in my case) its more related to the pressure applied and elastomers used. after i removed one grey rubber elastomer (softer one) and replaced it with a metal washer and lowered calibrated pressure a bit, stability improved drastically. I also tested with with the PU from CSL and it was also much better.
So to me it's an issue with some of the 'rubbers' used that cannot handle higher pressures. So with mostly PU parts it's ok, the more rubber ones you add (grey and black) the worse relaxation will become if you apply enough pressure.
I'm starting to suspect that the elastomers on the Simagic pedals are deforming under pressure. Laurence Dusoswa shows this on his review of the VNM pedals.
Recently got into sim racing your videos helped me alot! I purchased these pedals
i agreed heal rest plate is to short in my opinion either, however i solve this problem by screw it under by using diferent holes, but now there's a gape between pedals and plate
Amazing comprehensive review! Thank you. Subscribed
To eliminate the odd feeling on the pedal faces you could put something in the hole once you've decided the position you like. Exactly what to put in there depends on how deep the recessed screws are and how thick your filler is but the first thing I'd try are those stick on felt pads you put under a chair's legs so it'll slide smoothly on a hardwood floor. I've seen them at hardware stores, Rite Aide & CVS.
Another material you might want to try are those wax mouldable ear plugs. You can break off what you don't need & mould it into the exact shape & size of the hole. I think they'd stay in there on their own, if not, cover w/ Gorilla Tape (the best wearing of all duct tapes ive used).
A third material is fill w/ glue from a hot glue gun. Let it harden then cut off the excess. This last one may make it VERY hard to remove the glue to access the screws again, but in my experience all the glue applied in that application tends to come off all at once, not so much if part got a chance to harden b4 adding more.
I just put these on my rig yesterday thank you for the great review I learned a lot.
Awesome video Dan, loved the explanations of the elastomers and haptics. Simagic is doing great stuff
I was very impressed with your explanation of elastomers. It was comprehensive and all correct. It really shows that you studied the subject to make sure you understood it fully yourself before making a video about it.
Really appreciate this review. This helped me decide between the P1000s and the SimLab XP1 brakes. These just have way more options but, it was close, I love the chunky build of the SimLab hardware.
Do you like them? I'm in the same boat as you where, have a simagic alpha base and want to replace my Fanatec V3's It's nice to go completely Simagic, but i like the looks of the XP1.
thx dan, i've been waiting for this review for a long time
Logically, load cells with a more dense/harder elastomer stack will provide a more linear brake response in relation to pedal travel compared to a softer elastomer stack as the pressure is more directly applied.
I have the p1000 in my main cockpit and the asetek forte in the secondary cockpit and I am liking the asetek ones a little more. Especially when you get the hang of the brake.
I'm glad you mentioned not feeling the "hydrolic feel". I just swapped out my Asetek Invicta pedals for Simucube ActivePedals. I was using the Asetek's since launch and never once thought it felt in any way hydrolic.
Interesting, as I've largely heard great things about the Asetek Invictas. Did it feel like a traditional spring or elastomer pedal? Something else entirely?
The Invicta's are great pedals! They feel like a normal elastomer brake imo. I mean in the end you do compress an elastomer.
Yeah, basically what Dan said. They are great quality pedals. Personally, I feel like they made me more consistant and therefore faster, but they pretty much just feel like any other elastomer pedal to me. @@flyingphoenix113
You are why I got these. I'm so happy right now. Now you get more options with the purchase luckily and they come out of the box but which is nice.
It's funny because when testing them side by side at microcenter the simicube actives and these the effects really really felt so close like you stated. At that moment I'm like yep these are it. The brake feel also has like the perfect travel when setup. Like probably the best experience trail braking I've had besides the simucube actives. But the enjoyment and feel I got was to close to my preference to ever warrant 4k dollars for a set of pedals.
Maybe one day I'll just buy the brake wink
Nach langem hin und her, hab ich nun beschlossen das G29 in Rente zu schicken. Nun ist eine Alpha Mini + GT Neo und die P1000 Pedale bestellt, ich denke (hoffe), das wird ein komplett neues Erlebnis :D
Danke für den 5% Code, hat immerhin die Versandkosten abgedeckt👍
Good timing mate, bought a set yesterday and so far enjoying the ease of use of both the adjustment and software. Bought two haptic reactors and again so simple to set up.
Simagic is an excellent option. I have the fx pro wheel and P2000’s. Very happy.
Excellent review! This will be my next pedal set.
10:07 but what!?!?!? 😲.... I can't find that springs kit on the Simagic website or at any distributor 🙁...... how I can get this???
edit: ah.. ok.. ok... that it still has not been released... well I hope it's soon :).
Just about to pull the trigger on sprints but now this has me thinking.
which one did you get?
Was going to go the route of Dayton Audio but this the clear route to go. Thanks for another great tips and tricks!
Thanks for the great review. Also purchased these and can't wait to put them on my rig.😊
I switched to the VNM pedals and would never go back to the P1000. The heelplate was a horror for me .
Thanks for the review
An official spring kit, what great news, I see they are on sale now! Thanks for the information. Using the P1000 with the hydraulic kit with soft elastomers (gray), there is a lot of elastomer decompression, which is a real problem... I have to switch the crankset to "angular" mode to correct this problem. So I can't wait to test this spring kit! Do you know the difference between a hydraulic crankset with a pressure sensor, and a hydraulic crankset with a loadcell sensor (like the P1000)? Thank you for your always sharp reviews.
Cool Video, thx!
I have the 2 Padel Hydraulic set at home sice a month now and they are great!
I changed the elastomers with a after market spring by myself as the spring set from simagic wasn‘t available.
They‘re really a great set!
Thx Dan, great review!
Nice Review!! I have the p1000 but the brake is making noises at high pressure after a time.. Where to get this springs, maybe they would help?
Great review and test, about to get the VRS pedals, but there are new pedal sets comming out every week :D The evolution of sim gear is going so fast. I think I'll have to reconsider the VRS pedals
I have the VRS pedals and absolutely love them! Definitely buy them. You won't be disappointed. I'm thinking about adding the simagic haptic feedback add-on to my break.
If you do the vrs. Keep the blue string in and insert 25mm spacers. Brake feels super linear. The red spring is too stiff imo. Was messing with my knee
I have the VRS and Simucube Active pedals. I would go with simucube p1000 or p2000 with haptic on the brake. Is gamechanging. Also the pedal faces in VRS or not that nice with socks to be honest.
Better buy the p2000 with haptic and long throttle pedal. My advice. Not far away from simucube which are way more.
Nah the VRS brake is better, just look at the shitty elastomer stack the p1000 uses. Basically an upgraded Fanakek v3. You can also mount simagic haptics to them if you want.
Nice and complete review! As one of the early adopters from these pedals I have to say I love them, coming from Heusinkveld Pro. Although the Race Beyond Matter video got me in doubt about them. In the software the degradation of the input is clearly visible, but I never experienced or felt it when I was racing and that's the most important part. Don't focus on anything that doesn't matter when you are using the pedals to what they are built to do. Now trying to find the rumble motors somewhere in stock, that's the hardest part...
Would you pick these over the SRP SimRacing-Pro pedals and how is Simagic customer service vs SRP customer service?
Also, SRP haptic now.
Thank you for your time on these reviews.
No, I don’t think so
I has the Fanatec Clubsport V3 with the "vibration motors" but I don't use it. I got the pedals for $280.
Why was I not surprised that there was an explanation of physics behind elastomer creep and stress relaxation
Thank you for your reviews. I will strongly consider buying Simagic when getting into simracing again in 2024. Last setup was Logitech G29 many years ago.
But would you please consider to set your camera on something else than your table, since it shakes whenever you move, and it's a little nauseating.
Haha yeah that is annoying as hell, I’ve bought some tripods for the next one 😅
Finally - thank you for your effort. Danke ❤
Dan can you show us your haptic settings in simhub for your brake and throttle plz? 😊
Hey, Will you be reviewing the VNM pedals? thanks
I don’t have those
Love these pedals!! I've got the P1000I
I got the inverted ones with no throttle springs an have ended up with the exact same setup as you.
Looking to upgrade from my moza SR-P pedals, not too sure if it be a giant upgrade. i Love the Moza SR-P but i just want my pedals to match my simagic alpha mini lol.
I want to buy "recator" and mount them to the Sprints. Does anyone know where can I find a solution?
Really enjoyed this review. The one thing I wish that they would do is to offer the inverted kit with the gas pedal so it can be mounted on the bottom and still have the brake and clutch on the top. That would be really handy, I mean that you could mount it either on the top or the bottom. But I would like it to be mounted on the bottom so it would have a better angle for heal and toe. Other than that they are what I am looking at for in an upgrade from the Thrustmaster T-LMC Pedals. Thank you sir for the share.
Very cool, but seeing as one of the main selling points is a hydraulic brake, I have my doubts as to the longevity of the off-brand Chinese hydraulics. Especially considering my experience with cheap Chinese hydraulic bicycle brakes.
awesome review as always.
Mine have just arrived, no clue how to get the haptic motor working in simhub, any where you can suggest for a tutorial?
Good review, but the complaint about the haptic being to loud, I don't think matters when you have headphones or using speakers, and most likely your other sim racing peripherals make noise also.
Never underestimate how picky simracers can be 😅
Hey man, what do you think about the P1000 with all add-ons vs the SRP GT-R Edition Pedals?
I'm very undecided between this and the VX Pro, both with the simagic haptics...
Get the P1000 imo
You say that the initial two pedal setup didn't have the stiffer throttle springs. So the next batches include stiffer spring for the two pedal setup?
in the shops the power supply for the haptics looks like it can only connect to an US electrical outlet. do I need an adapter for it in Germany?
So Dan, if you had to choose a 2 pedal set, no clutch, would it be SRP, Simagic or Asetek? I currently have the original Heusinkveld Pro's and they feel extremely outdated.
SRP with their haptics!
That is secretly what I was hoping you would say. 😬 Thanks for the feedback👍@@DanSuzuki
Ok nice. So i‘ll wait. Perfect comparison p1000 vs the xp1…
I’m between these with the haptics for brake/throttle and the additional spring/rubber kit and the VRS pedals. Speed is definitely important but I’m far from a pro so also looking for a fun experience. Any recommendation between the two?
i have the same issue with the heel rest
Hi Dan, i like your reviews a lot, helped me out deciding on cpu and graficscard a lot (settled on 5800x3d and rtx 4070 ti). I am now in the market for a new set of pedals coming fromthe danatec v3s. It will go down between the simagic p1000 and the simlab xp1. What would be your recommendation, have you had the chance on (at least briefly) test the simlab xp1 as well? Kind regards
P1000 are great and if you have some more time - I have a set of XP1 incoming end of this week 😊
How do the Moza CRP -Pedals compare to the Simagic P1000 Pedals? Have you had the opportunity to test the Moza CRP-Pedals?
No never tested those unfortunately
Great video always. I have a question. Aren’t you supposed to use 9 elastomers with the hydraulic pedal set? I’ve actually worked with their support team on a separate issue and they recommended 9 total in their discord and on their elastomer guide for each car type.
Example from the Simagic guide:
GT3 Car: 3 red, 3 blue, 3 gold (aluminum)
Yeah, but I tried 8 and liked that better. With that you have a pretty light initial travel which helps me a ton with trailbraking.
Ok. Gotcha. Thank you for the reply! Happy sim racing!
@@DanSuzuki on video you have 7 - was 1 left in housing as I tried with 7 like on video and pedal just drop down 😂
Finally a haptic feedback for a pedal that makes sense. It actually pushes back against your foot instead of a twirly spinny thing that feels weird.
I don't have ABS or a pedal feedback because I didn't want a third bass shaker for my pedal, but this one makes total sense.
Agree, it feels really believable!
These haptic motors are bass shakers, it uses simhub. A glorified version of the $20 sound exciters sim racing corner fabricated. Sim magic should credit him.
Great review Dan. How would you compare these to the Simtrecs?
Hello, I don’t know if my previous comment is published, I was asking about those pedals, I saw Simagic selling a set of P1K with the Hydraulics installed, does this version come with the brake piston? As well do you have any idea if the new set of brake springs are included in the new version? Also please I couldn’t find the link that describes the Haptic reactor installation guide. Sorry for this long comment, and thanks mate for your reviews.
I like a lot about these pedals, but not being able to move them left and right was a dealbreaker for me (especially vs other options at a similar price point). It was one of the things I disliked about the Fanatec V3s and that I looked forward to changing when I bit the bullet and decided to replace them. It does make the integrated based and connections into it very neat & tidy, but the sacrifice isn't worth it, IMO.
You can move the throttle and the clutch out a bit and should be comfortable for almost everyone. Have you tried though?
@@wangte27 I can't see any way to adjust the left/right spacing of any individual pedal. The P1000 pedal tray only appears to have a single left/right position for each pedal?
No, I haven't tried it, because this was one of the reasons I bought different pedals.
I guess to each his own but it is adjustable. It's not infinitely adjustable and doesn't have to be in order to be comfortable.
16:10 may you provide the link to fitting the haptic reactor for vrs pedals please? As it's not in the description.
It's "literally" the last video he uploaded.
@@Leon-nk7sp won't hold true indefinately.
Reaching out to see if you have any issues with FPE v1 wheel while driving F1 2023 as far as missing a upshift or just not shifting properly, I'm asking cause after 3 years I had new shifters put on and now I'm told that its the game not the shifters.
Hey Dan. Would you mind sharing your SimHub Wheel Lock settings for the haptic reactor? I’ve been playing around with it and I’m not having much luck finding a good setup just yet. Thanks!
I went with pretty much default at 20hz and the threshold turned up to 50 so I don't get the tire slip effect too early.
Cheers Dan. I'll try that @@DanSuzuki
Would you recommend this, or VRS pedals + haptic reactors with 3d printed solution?
I would buy the P1000! Cheaper and a bit better imo.
@@DanSuzuki thank you for answer!
the more RGB the faster you are hahaha :) good and nice review!
I would like to upgrade my Heusinkveld Sprint which are currently equipped with Sim3D rumble motors. Does it make sense to get the Simagic Haptic Reactors as an upgrade or should I just go all in (get the P1000 with haptic reactors)? Are the P1000 pedals an overall upgrade in brake feel? The 60 kg loadcell of the Heusinkvelds is sufficient for me.
I’m in a similar boat. I have 2 sprints but want a clutch. Have considered selling my 2 sprints to buy a 3 pedal set elsewhere.
Bro, just go with the new SimLab XP1, awesome Set of pedals
@@KS-rp7kr Overpriced for what they are, VRS miles better
Out of interest why are you guys upgrading the Sprints? Is it for the extra options of the haptics or hydraulics, or do you find the Sprints lacking in other ways? I'm going to have space for a proper rig at some point next year, and can start looking for better pedals at last, and have always thought the Sprints look to be decently put together even if they lack the bells and whistles of newer pedals, so would appreciate hearing why people are moving away from them if you have a moment!
I want a clutch pedal, I don’t want to pay $160 for one. It might be cheaper for me to sell my 2 HS’s and buy a new set of 3 pedals elsewhere.
I love my sprints. But no one is selling used clutches. And I’m not paying the inflated amount that most websites are asking.
When my Fanatec Clubsport V2's die, this is the set im buying :)
Amazing review of the pedals, very detailed!
I plan on upgrading next year from Moza SRP lite pedals, would you say the base 3 pedal set P1000s are a better option than HE Sprint pedals?
I am having the same issue with the short heel rest- were you able to come up with a solution for the issue? If anyone has suggestions please comment. Thanks
I come very close to maxing out the load cell on HE Sprints. Is the max brake force higher on these? I can’t seem to find this anywhere.
yes, definitely higher max brake pressure
other effect you can try for haptic on brake is - deceleration effect (I use it for my shakers on rig and like a lot)
Thanks for the idea, I need to try this - but wouldn't it pretty much rumble all the time then?
Thanks Dan. I currently have the Sprints, do you see any point in buying these?
If you're happy with the sprints then maybe just add a reactor to those. The biggest downsides for the sprints imo is the low brake pressure - but if that's fine for you I don't see any reason to upgrade.
Hey Dan, You're not comparing these pedals with the SIm-Lab XP1. Can you tell us why?
And which of these two kits would you prefer?
I'm hesitating between them both.
Thanks
I didn’t have the Simlab back then. Also great pedals - you can’t go wrong with either one
Does someone know the minimum force we can apply with the stock elastomers ? I use few force like 25 kgs on my Heusinkveld
Hi!!
These pedals or SRP pedals?
or VRS?
P1000 or P2000?
I wanna know it too
I recall him saying in the discord that he preferred the P1000
P1000
why@@coeurbbor26
I don't have the P2000 so I can't properly compare it. From my brief impression in a testrig I'd say P1000 - but then again, this needs proper testing :)
Did anyone do an "elastomer" count? I would like to ask Dan, without the haptic reactor would you still choose the P1000 over the VRS and Simgrade VX in pure performance? If you really wanted to win a race.
according to the resolve auto transcript it's 26 times 😅
for winning races all those pedals are equally good! I'd pick the p1000 out of the bunch
Is it worth to take p1000 without hydraulic brake ? Is it must have thing ? Which feel better when braking with or without hydraulic brake?
cant find that brakekit or any official statement about it anywhere. any hint where to buy this or when it will be released?
I have a fully equipped Fanatec V3 with rumble and dampers on brake and throttle… would the P1000 be a big upgrade?
Massiv upgrade. The Fanatec V3, even fully spec out, are extremely overpriced and terrible in comparison to every other set of pedals in the same pricerange. I would never ever recommend the V3s to anyone. When you need console compatibility i would choose the Elite V2 over the V3. In your case buy the P1000 and you will feel a whole new world.
Indeed! I changed my v3 with sim 3D rumbles and BPK for the inverted P1000 with 2 haptics and hydraulic kit. The difference was so obvious immediately. (hydraulic kit is not important). Ease of use and customization and the feel of quality are just the first shocking things comparing to v3. But I also got faster very soon. Haptics also had a great role to it. (using them via Simhub)
Anything is a upgrade over the Clubsport v3
Yes. I had the v3. And tested a lot of different expensive pedals. All of them where much much better than the v3. The p1000 are the best pedals I testet. (He Sprint, invicta, bj hydraulic, racewerk s1 hydraulic)
oh yes, definitely!
great video as always.
can i install those P-HPR(Haptic pedals Reactor) on Heusinkveld Ultimate+ ? i have 3 pedal set.
if yes, then how many are enough ?
Easy! Get one for the brake - I think there are also mounts out there you can print, throttle and clutch is not necessary imo
@@DanSuzuki Thank you for replying, really appreciate your reply. I rarely get reply from channel owners.
what motion system would you choose/prefer, D-box (1.5 inch) or qubicsystem's QS-220-PL (100 mm aka 3.93701 inch) ?
Thanks again. Keep up the great work.
Never tried the qubic but more travel is nice, not needed for road racing but it’s awesome for flying or rally for example
@@DanSuzuki Thank you, the only question comes to mind is 1.5 inches enough ? and thats what stopping me from going to D-Box systems.
Really appreciate your reply. Thanks for your time.
@@DanSuzuki Thank you., really appreciate it.
Which pedel to choose: p1000 sprint or VRS?
Hey, will you have to buy the spring options for the brake seperately or will it be included in the base pedal set?
So you prefer these over the SRP pedals then, I'm curious as to why or what specifically you prefer.
(oh i'm sorry, you answered what I "wanted to hear" in the end portion, my bad, Keep up the great work dan)
A mi no me ha quedado claro cuál prefiere, dice que le encanta la sensación de los pistones neumáticos, ¿pero estos srp serían su siguiente opción despues de Simucube?
How do they compare to the xp1 from Simlab? What do you think would be the best choice (same price for me)
What power supply were you using testing the haptic unit?
please help me choose p1000i or SimGrade VX Pro??
Should I get the inverted normal or inverted hydraulics? Difference is like 260usd in my country
P1000 or VRS (with the haptic adaptor)?
just picked up the Sim Lab XP-1s... Would you say these are a lot better or close?
there isn't really a better or worse in the pedalworld any more ... they are all good.
Hallo ich stehe nach 1jahr Pause vor der Wahl welche pedale ich kaufen soll.
Zuletzt hatte ich die VRS aber man hört eig nur positives von den P1000.
Welche von beiden würdest du empfehlen?
Liebe Grüße
Mit beiden machst du nichts falsch, ich würde mich allerdings für die P1000 entscheiden
@@DanSuzuki weißt du ob simagic ein mod für die bremse raus bringt (feder)
I just took the heel rest off. Much better!
P1000 vs vrs? I’m coming from the v3 fanatecs
You watched the video? 😅