4:10 SNAKE is actually to make sure that you're not looking at the friendly end of the IR beam accidentally. Brevity ROPE is for actually finding the JTAC in the first place - he'll move the IR pointer in a figure eight at the sky. And the JTAC would appreciate a "Contact sparkle, capture targets, visual friendlies" to make sure as well! Especially because the Apache doesn't have an IR device of it's own so you can't do a MATCH SPARKLE (pointing your own IR pointer at the enemy end of the JTACs beam). Night CAS is sooo much fun in a milsim context and VR. Absolute maximum immersion.
I've already had a lot of fun using the IR pointer on the Warthog to point out targets for low flying Apaches. It's brilliant in VR! Can't wait until we can laser spot search and track for each other!
If you're playing the apache, you can go to your acquisition sources and select the '?SKR' option to turn the seller on the hellfire to your acquisition source. Ensure it's LOBL, on the correct laser setting, and just have the gunner wait for the big box, slave, lase and store, and you have your target. It's obviously not going to have the same range or fov as an actual LST, and you'll need at least 1 laser hellfire, but it works in a pinch until we get the LST for the 64.
Minor point for the CAS nerds: the purpose of SNAKE is primarily to ensure that the CAS player knows which end of the IR beam is the JTAC and which is the target. With a static beam there is great risk of mixup.
@@ImpendingJoker I've seen it in custom missions and campaigns but was curios as to how difficult this would be to get in the default game engine. I know it would go to the bottom of the to do list but I think it would be a good simulation of actual CAS.
I've known this for a long time, but the JTAC sounds... *familiar* It's always been a motivating factor for using it for me, even when I can self designate just as well, I just wish I could get it to say "hey everyone!"
"Please note that the IR Pointer range was increased in the build this video was created, and this change will be coming soon to an update." Does this change reflects to the laser designator too and does it mean it doesn't have a hard stop at 8nm like it did so far?
@@mumblerinc.6660 As far as I know, they were accidentally included in a release at some stage. So I don't think we'll see them until the ATC is implemented.
That was cool. I take one very important lesson about this AH-64D Ability to never forget or stop thinking about as you do it. How log you set exposed. How Still you set like a target nailed to a tree. How important it is to have a Clear non-enemy zone to perch on. How Brave you have to be to want to do this in real life.
I wish we could speed up the speed/tempo of the comms as a setting in DCS… flying fast movers sometimes it’s like cmon cmon… I’m IP inbound!! Let’s get on with it! 😂
Cool video! Just one point of note is that the JTAC gives the coordinates in a 6 number sequence, and the Apache computer only accepts 8 number coordinates data. It is always needed to add a zero to the end of each half of coordinates given by the JTAC . coordinates
@@MattWagner sorry, everything we need to know is on the video description. As a side note, I made a mission where you have to fly to the western side of Papoose Mountain. once there, contact a JTAC and it will pick targets on Groom Lake. We'll, it is lots of fun seeing those Hellfires going high on LOAL mode, over the mountain, and then coming down on the targets. It works beautifully. Now I'll be able to do that at night too. Again, thank you.
In case everyone's curiouse. And by no means am I trying to take away from this great video by Wags. Irl you do NOT need a JTAC to call in an apache. In fact you DO NOT USE A CAS 9 LINE for an apache. The apache has its own 5 line call for fire. The US army makes the Apache callable by anyone, but 90% its our own trained forward observers, who are not JTACs, sometimes they're JFO qualified but they're not JTACs. (we need air support and we don't always have the air force/fixed wing to help, this is why the apache is great, and also why we rely heavily on artillery and mortars) So for any of you wanting to make super realism missions that are army focuses, you can absolutely use a JTAC, but if you want a Hollywood style troops in contact, know the IRL any soldier is authorized to call in an apache(although ideally its trained army forward observers). Basically here's a break down Air force, navy, marines, all have JTACs US army only has JTACs in Special forces(called SOTACs), while I've heard about army observers going to JTAC school, its not an official thing and usually them getting a hook up Further break down Fixed wing=always need a JTAC/FAC-A(
Amen. It's just a video showing what is possible in DCS, not an instructional video on doctrine. (not directing this at Andrew, just in general) Other nations may use AH-64's as a CAS platform, but in the US Army AH-64 teams are a maneuver element, like a tank platoon or infantry squads. And while US AH-64's can be employed using joint CAS TTPs, it's not required.
Have I missed the "Cleared Hot" call? On a side note, as lines 1,2 and 3 are N/A, why call IP inbound? Line 1 is IP and is N/A.. Readback of friendlies is a mandatory readback item, hopefully it'll get implemented later.
Only mandatory readbacks are target elevation, target location, and restrictions. The JTAC can make it mandatory by stating as such in the restrictions or even during the initial check-ins with the pilot, but it's not required.
I think its good that the JTAC is this far from reality when it comes to procedures. Even though a lot is unclassified no need to have a lot of information on how we do business on the internet.
Are new callsigns going to get their voice lines added soon? Right now there are a bunch of callsigns that don't have voice lines assigned to them and get 'read over' when they come up on the radio.
Just look at it as though the JTAC is highly motivated to report success...of course, they need to change the voice from monotone to a, "OHHH HELL YEAH! Look at that s#!t burn baby!! WOO!!" 🤪😜
Due to the many changes in DCS over the years, a new comm system has been in work, and will require new VO as most of the VO actors are no longer available.
@@MattWagner You should ask Tricker and Bunyap, both great voices. If you need a JTAC with a thick Dutch accent, I hereby gladly volunteer. And please, keep some Wags in there, it wouldn't feel right without your voice.
@Matt Wagner will there also be an IR Pointer mounted to the gun in the future (like they had in Afghanistan) so you can sparkle with it for your wingman?
This is awesome with the IR pointer, but why would you create a WP? CM or TG is what is utilized to add a terrain point during JTAC interactions. WP’s are almost solely utilized for route creation only. WARNING: Adding a CM without giving a proper IDENT will result in the creation of a friendly control graphic. TG is the most recommended usage for any non-friendly coordinate handovers from a JTAC when adding quickly during kinetic interactions.
Any point can be used to slave the TADS to, it works regardless, although adding a TG on a friendly position is certainly a no-no. Adding a CM without an IDENT code will default to CP Checkpoint in this avionics version.
@@Raptor_9 awesome, thanks! Will be fun to play with this and see how difficult it is to do a NVG to TADS handover from an IR point using GHS slave. Keep up the amazing work! Also, whoever recorded the sounds for the Apache, specifically on start up and 101% NR flat pitch…kudos. Like you’re standing next to the thing.
The reason I always try and avoid using JTAC is I absolutely despise the radio menu, especially in VR. Is there any chance of you implementing a radial menu (like in HB's tomcat) in the future? To be able to just turn my head and use a HOTAS button rather than taking my hands off the controls to fumble with a keyboard or mouse, would be wonderful.
@@SsgtHolland ye thanks for reminder, I appreciate voice attack as I was using it a lot in ED.. Elite dangerous... But now I cannot speak in the room cos I have a small man that doesn't need to worry with my stupid commands at the pc hehe , and I'm using only headphones.
@@medienprojekt5214 hey grandpa! Is that you? This menu thing needs an uplift, I don't know if it's gonna be radial or not, but as it is, is immersion breaking and not helpful at all.
Hey Wags. I noticed that you're setting up the waypoint and searching for the target yourself and then firing your own laser to which the hellfire missile is slaved. Can the hellfire missile be slaved to the laser code of the JTAC operator?
@@MattWagner Is it certain that the IR pointer cannot be seen by the camera even a little bit? I understand that otherwise every high-schooler with a cell phone would be able to find out the JTAC position, but on the other hand the Apache's optics is no cell phone and the night vision goggles are probably not THAT sophisticated as to be able to pick up some "LPI" IR lighting.
@@getsideways7257 Not all "infrared" sensors see within the same IR portion of the spectrum. The IR portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is quite large, even larger than the visual light spectrum. A lot of thermal-based sensors operate on different wavelengths than those used by IR pointers, IR strobes, and such. NVGs amplify both visual and near-IR light (the portion of the IR spectrum just outside of visual light), which is the same portion used by such IR marking devices.
@@Raptor_9 I understand that well enough, and that's exactly the reason behind my question - if the IR goggles amplify near IR and a part of the visual spectrum, they should be overlapping with things like cell phone cameras pretty well. So, why the TADS camera can't see it? Maybe in the thermal mode it's too far in the IR spectrum, but it should be pretty close to NVGs in the TV/LLTV mode?
@@MattWagner all right thx, having gret ground asset (MRAP, infantry, jtac) is important when you're flying low in a helicopter ! Keep up the good work ! :)
I've used this already, and it's pretty buggy. Sometimes you won't get permission to fire. Or you engage too early, by not following the call out protocol. JTAC yells ABORT ABORT ABORT! at you and turns off the laser when the missile is already on the air. Currently a very frustrating system to use. I'm hoping this is an improved system coming soon.
@@MattWagner I ran this with a aerial JTAC2. At 15000ft, might have been too large of an orbit? 10 miles is too far? Either way I could get off 5 it 6 hellfires with the system and the JTAC would get stuck and not allow you to fire at any more targets. ABORT ABORT ABORT!
Dear matt , I have a demand' as a person who love the DCS and improvements for DCS . After more than a decade I think it's time to change the whole ATC voices ! changing the whole AWACS voices and all AI voices. And please if it's gonna to change please use the new radio communication rules and add more radio communication words for more and new orders and requests . Add several voices for more reality , currently in DCS it's doesn't matter you are at Caucuses or Persian gulf or other maps , you are at Sochi Adler or Sukhumi , all ATC's has same voices with same accents. It will be great if we fly at any maps and airports hearing the random different voices with some accents which is close to the region we fly. And please add several radio effects on the voices. And the last one , is changing the loading mission and some other loading pictures and some other very very old & very simple things , which is not need to take a huge hard work for changing them. Changing some things like these really can make a huge + energy for DCS pilots. Thanks in advance
As we've noted in the past, we are actively working on this and all comms. It's a massive task. Once we have new news to pass along, we look forward to doing so.
Hi Wags, when will JTAC spot and designate with laser so we can fire blind (behind obstruction like a hill or group of trees to remain safe from enemy)
This looks like a lot of fun. So far I've only played the builtin missions. How do I make a JTAC work in some version of free play / multiplayer? Is it possible for the JTAC to use a coded laser so I don't have to target?
As mentioned near the start of the video, laser designation is one JTAC designation option. AI JTAC in the mission editor is part of the free to play DCS core.
So I guess I didn’t understand something. If the JTAC is using a laser to point at the target, why wouldn’t you just use that same laser to lase the target for the Hellfire missile? I thought that’s what was going to happen so was a little confused when the Apache fired their laser too.
Because those lasers, like the IZLID Ultra Series, are not able to guide weapons. They are only for illumination, target marking and identifying purposes.
@@Scoobz187 Makes sense! I didn’t know that and thought they all used the targeting kind. I love learning little rid buts of info like this though, so thank you for the reply. Cool to see it being done so realistically!
I am not able to make ir pointer work. It say no marks. I did everything. I used everything from tow humvee, Stryker, tanks, infantry etc. It communicates but no laser or ir pointer. 😑😭
@@MattWagner Will you also update FLIR system to combine arms either? (for some of the tanks there is option to use IR cammera which uses the old FLIR system)
The target coordinate allowed me to point the TADS to the target location to engage it. The IR Pointer is used to verify the target location. Later, Laser Spot Track will be added to the TADS.
We need a TACP team in ghille suits that we can hide in some bushes, or the ability to designate a building as a JTAC unit (as if the man is inside lazing targets from a window). Having a humvee parked on a hill 500 miles inside enemy territory looks ridiculous.
Not a bad video, just a few points to make it actually accurate No such thing as Type 2 in effect Line 8 most likely wouldn't be 4.5km away, be almost impossible to pick out the target at night Troops in Contact wouldn't be in line 4 The JTAC would never add weather in the remarks, and the pilot would know the cloud deck better than the JTAC There's no restrictions for pilot to run in on How can the pilot report IP inbound if he wasn't given one in lines 1-3 Also, Rotary wing doesn't use IP's, they use BP's In this sceanrio the IR pointer was almost pointless, the pilot didn't even look for the target and couldn't see it
Type 2 is a type of control so it is a thing Lines 1-3 can be N/A so that’s accurate Line 4 is elevation You can give weather info in remarks if it’s a factor
Lines 1-3 can be simply "from the overhead", they aren't always used in conjunction with a location. Line 4 is elevation of the target, if you are referring to the JTAC location 4500 meters away in Line 8, they could be 4.5 km away with dedicated targeting optics, especially if they were occupying an overwatch location on high terrain. It depends on whether they are mounted or dismounted, and what equipment they are capable of carrying. Restrictions aren't mandatory, although they are common. Rotary wing can use IPs or BPs, depending on the tactical situation and what specific attack brief they are given. The remainder of the inaccuracies are limitations of the existing JTAC code, which has been the same for about 10 years, which is why some of the situation update is sort of intermixed with the attack brief itself. I'm guessing this more of a demonstration of how to use the JTAC from the AH-64D with point entry and understanding that the TADS can't see the IR pointer, so you need to use the goggles; it's not a class on CAS TTPs or doctrine.
@@Raptor_9 Why cannot TADS see the laser pointer? Is it that far infrared? But the IR goggles are no thermal cameras either, so why would they be able to?
Hey Matt, could you help me by making a video or reply to my comment. When I play dcs I have this problem where it has a red shield and when I try to join servers it will say pure client required. Thanks!
It means you have some sort of modified files in your DCS install. Run a repair, and any "not stock" files will be placed into a folder labeled ".backup000" inside the main DCS install folder. The server host is running an integrity check to prevent players from running mods. Some mods pass this integrity check, but some others that alter the base install files will not.
@@Raptor_9 I tried the the method you suggested and it did not work sadly but if you could still help me. When I’m click on multiplayer and the I click on the red shield/integrity check it says bazar/smoketable.sht I tried going to the dcs world bazar folder and pasting the integrity check thing it doesn’t work I don’t know what to do. Thanks for your help!
So does that mean the JTAC works now, because it has been in the game for over 10 years and breaks so frequently that there is no point in even trying to use it as a mission maker.
Same old problems :P Ai does not say callsign apache because no one recorded a single word, jtac said IP N / A and then asks to report on IP INBOUND kekw
4:10 SNAKE is actually to make sure that you're not looking at the friendly end of the IR beam accidentally. Brevity ROPE is for actually finding the JTAC in the first place - he'll move the IR pointer in a figure eight at the sky. And the JTAC would appreciate a "Contact sparkle, capture targets, visual friendlies" to make sure as well! Especially because the Apache doesn't have an IR device of it's own so you can't do a MATCH SPARKLE (pointing your own IR pointer at the enemy end of the JTACs beam).
Night CAS is sooo much fun in a milsim context and VR. Absolute maximum immersion.
Yeah VISUAL friendlies and TALLY target is actually a mandatory call for night IR CAS operations
@@tylerwalsh7310 Ah, right. It actually has to be through NVGs ofc, not through sensors.
Is, in reality, the laser beam visible for any NV googles in vicinity, including the enemy ones?
@@norman191000 Yes, which is why there are different tactics for near peers.
Early morning class is in session 📚
I've already had a lot of fun using the IR pointer on the Warthog to point out targets for low flying Apaches. It's brilliant in VR! Can't wait until we can laser spot search and track for each other!
If you're playing the apache, you can go to your acquisition sources and select the '?SKR' option to turn the seller on the hellfire to your acquisition source. Ensure it's LOBL, on the correct laser setting, and just have the gunner wait for the big box, slave, lase and store, and you have your target.
It's obviously not going to have the same range or fov as an actual LST, and you'll need at least 1 laser hellfire, but it works in a pinch until we get the LST for the 64.
Minor point for the CAS nerds: the purpose of SNAKE is primarily to ensure that the CAS player knows which end of the IR beam is the JTAC and which is the target. With a static beam there is great risk of mixup.
Lol need a buzz saw call now with the ir strobe and para cord over your head 😆
Yes, it is said that the range has been fixed. it is on the video description.
I wish you could add battlefield background audio in situations where troops are in contact. Also a little distress in the JTAC voice.
@@ruger2275 You can. You can add custom audio files that are triggered like any other event.
@@ImpendingJoker I've seen it in custom missions and campaigns but was curios as to how difficult this would be to get in the default game engine. I know it would go to the bottom of the to do list but I think it would be a good simulation of actual CAS.
I've known this for a long time, but the JTAC sounds... *familiar*
It's always been a motivating factor for using it for me, even when I can self designate just as well, I just wish I could get it to say "hey everyone!"
"Hey everyone, JTAC here, and today we're going to be focusing a laser on a tank to destroy it"
It's so cool with the radio chatter and communication, creates a whole different dimension to the sim!
"Please note that the IR Pointer range was increased in the build this video was created, and this change will be coming soon to an update."
Does this change reflects to the laser designator too and does it mean it doesn't have a hard stop at 8nm like it did so far?
I have the same question
It has indeed raised my hopes. Also, you far!?
Epic. This module feels like its really coming together! Thanks to Wags and team for more great work.
Awesome as usual, Wags!
Quick question, will we get some improvement on the AI ATC in the future?
Thanks again!
Yes, but no dates; it is a massive piece of work.
@@mumblerinc.6660 As far as I know, they were accidentally included in a release at some stage. So I don't think we'll see them until the ATC is implemented.
Looks like the voice overs need a revamp since long ago. Any news on that?
As we've said before, we are working on an extensive update to the comms with new VO. When there is news, we look forward to sharing it.
That was cool. I take one very important lesson about this AH-64D Ability to never forget or stop thinking about as you do it. How log you set exposed. How Still you set like a target nailed to a tree. How important it is to have a Clear non-enemy zone to perch on. How Brave you have to be to want to do this in real life.
And how brave you have to be to want to do this in real life in the Hind...
I wish we could speed up the speed/tempo of the comms as a setting in DCS… flying fast movers sometimes it’s like cmon cmon… I’m IP inbound!! Let’s get on with it! 😂
Cool video! Just one point of note is that the JTAC gives the coordinates in a 6 number sequence, and the Apache computer only accepts 8 number coordinates data. It is always needed to add a zero to the end of each half of coordinates given by the JTAC . coordinates
This has been changed from 3+3 to 4+4 for a later update.
@@MattWagner thanks Matt and team!
@@MattWagner sorry, everything we need to know is on the video description. As a side note, I made a mission where you have to fly to the western side of Papoose Mountain. once there, contact a JTAC and it will pick targets on Groom Lake. We'll, it is lots of fun seeing those Hellfires going high on LOAL mode, over the mountain, and then coming down on the targets. It works beautifully. Now I'll be able to do that at night too. Again, thank you.
@@sloppydog4831 Good stuff.
In case everyone's curiouse. And by no means am I trying to take away from this great video by Wags.
Irl you do NOT need a JTAC to call in an apache. In fact you DO NOT USE A CAS 9 LINE for an apache. The apache has its own 5 line call for fire. The US army makes the Apache callable by anyone, but 90% its our own trained forward observers, who are not JTACs, sometimes they're JFO qualified but they're not JTACs.
(we need air support and we don't always have the air force/fixed wing to help, this is why the apache is great, and also why we rely heavily on artillery and mortars)
So for any of you wanting to make super realism missions that are army focuses, you can absolutely use a JTAC, but if you want a Hollywood style troops in contact, know the IRL any soldier is authorized to call in an apache(although ideally its trained army forward observers).
Basically here's a break down
Air force, navy, marines, all have JTACs
US army only has JTACs in Special forces(called SOTACs), while I've heard about army observers going to JTAC school, its not an official thing and usually them getting a hook up
Further break down
Fixed wing=always need a JTAC/FAC-A(
Amen.
It's just a video showing what is possible in DCS, not an instructional video on doctrine. (not directing this at Andrew, just in general)
Other nations may use AH-64's as a CAS platform, but in the US Army AH-64 teams are a maneuver element, like a tank platoon or infantry squads. And while US AH-64's can be employed using joint CAS TTPs, it's not required.
Show me who hurt you?
I'm happy today is friday. I'm even happier now because there's a Wag's video :D
Have I missed the "Cleared Hot" call?
On a side note, as lines 1,2 and 3 are N/A, why call IP inbound? Line 1 is IP and is N/A..
Readback of friendlies is a mandatory readback item, hopefully it'll get implemented later.
Only mandatory readbacks are target elevation, target location, and restrictions. The JTAC can make it mandatory by stating as such in the restrictions or even during the initial check-ins with the pilot, but it's not required.
I think its good that the JTAC is this far from reality when it comes to procedures. Even though a lot is unclassified no need to have a lot of information on how we do business on the internet.
@@heavymetalboi who cares
i freaking love this module!!
Are new callsigns going to get their voice lines added soon? Right now there are a bunch of callsigns that don't have voice lines assigned to them and get 'read over' when they come up on the radio.
May be nice to work in a little delay between actually destroying the target and having the JTAC report it destroyed? Just for immersion sakes
Was going to write about that. The delay it takes to reply at first call could be nice to made it for the BDA.
Just look at it as though the JTAC is highly motivated to report success...of course, they need to change the voice from monotone to a, "OHHH HELL YEAH! Look at that s#!t burn baby!! WOO!!" 🤪😜
Please Wags, we could sure use a few new voice actors. Even if the lines would be exactly the same, it would bring new life to the AI comms
Due to the many changes in DCS over the years, a new comm system has been in work, and will require new VO as most of the VO actors are no longer available.
@@MattWagner thanks. Also, more flight names :)
@@MattWagner You should ask Tricker and Bunyap, both great voices. If you need a JTAC with a thick Dutch accent, I hereby gladly volunteer. And please, keep some Wags in there, it wouldn't feel right without your voice.
@Matt Wagner will there also be an IR Pointer mounted to the gun in the future (like they had in Afghanistan) so you can sparkle with it for your wingman?
Perhaps in the future.
This is awesome with the IR pointer, but why would you create a WP? CM or TG is what is utilized to add a terrain point during JTAC interactions. WP’s are almost solely utilized for route creation only.
WARNING: Adding a CM without giving a proper IDENT will result in the creation of a friendly control graphic. TG is the most recommended usage for any non-friendly coordinate handovers from a JTAC when adding quickly during kinetic interactions.
Feel free to use a CM then.
Any point can be used to slave the TADS to, it works regardless, although adding a TG on a friendly position is certainly a no-no. Adding a CM without an IDENT code will default to CP Checkpoint in this avionics version.
@@Raptor_9 how big is the point database in this version? Probably doesn’t make much a difference in DCS, but just curious.
@@DCRiggs87 149 points. 50 WPTHZ, 49 CTLRM, 50 TGT/THRT.
@@Raptor_9 awesome, thanks! Will be fun to play with this and see how difficult it is to do a NVG to TADS handover from an IR point using GHS slave. Keep up the amazing work!
Also, whoever recorded the sounds for the Apache, specifically on start up and 101% NR flat pitch…kudos. Like you’re standing next to the thing.
I know the A10cII and the Hornet. I'm currently learning the F16, Harrier and Apache.
My brain just popped.
That JTAC’s voice is pretty sexy!😊
The reason I always try and avoid using JTAC is I absolutely despise the radio menu, especially in VR. Is there any chance of you implementing a radial menu (like in HB's tomcat) in the future? To be able to just turn my head and use a HOTAS button rather than taking my hands off the controls to fumble with a keyboard or mouse, would be wonderful.
I was thinking the same when wags said, : we use the radio ui.. And I smiled with bitterness, we need something more cool and useful with the menus..
You can try Voice Attack with Vaicom, it works very well with the radio menu.
@@SsgtHolland ye thanks for reminder, I appreciate voice attack as I was using it a lot in ED.. Elite dangerous... But now I cannot speak in the room cos I have a small man that doesn't need to worry with my stupid commands at the pc hehe , and I'm using only headphones.
I prefer the F10 menu. Don't like these weapon wheels that pop in in the middle of the screen. It's not a console game.
@@medienprojekt5214 hey grandpa! Is that you? This menu thing needs an uplift, I don't know if it's gonna be radial or not, but as it is, is immersion breaking and not helpful at all.
At least George can control the beast
Super. Can't wait for this
Hey Wags. I noticed that you're setting up the waypoint and searching for the target yourself and then firing your own laser to which the hellfire missile is slaved. Can the hellfire missile be slaved to the laser code of the JTAC operator?
Please see the video description.
@@MattWagner Thank you
@@MattWagner Is it certain that the IR pointer cannot be seen by the camera even a little bit? I understand that otherwise every high-schooler with a cell phone would be able to find out the JTAC position, but on the other hand the Apache's optics is no cell phone and the night vision goggles are probably not THAT sophisticated as to be able to pick up some "LPI" IR lighting.
@@getsideways7257 Not all "infrared" sensors see within the same IR portion of the spectrum. The IR portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is quite large, even larger than the visual light spectrum. A lot of thermal-based sensors operate on different wavelengths than those used by IR pointers, IR strobes, and such. NVGs amplify both visual and near-IR light (the portion of the IR spectrum just outside of visual light), which is the same portion used by such IR marking devices.
@@Raptor_9 I understand that well enough, and that's exactly the reason behind my question - if the IR goggles amplify near IR and a part of the visual spectrum, they should be overlapping with things like cell phone cameras pretty well. So, why the TADS camera can't see it? Maybe in the thermal mode it's too far in the IR spectrum, but it should be pretty close to NVGs in the TV/LLTV mode?
Can this be used as a pilot with George as a gunner ?
Why the sparkle mark on target is not visible in Apache IR TADS screen? Sparkle is infrared pointer.
Because the IR Pointer is on a different band. Later AH-64s added the 'fuse' mode that provided, this but not for 2007.
love the Apache
Is a real JTAC 3D asset planned on the roadmap ? (Like a guy holding IR binocular)
A new, infantry unit has been created to act as the JTAC with improved sensors. A new infantry object is a lower priority for later.
@@MattWagner all right thx, having gret ground asset (MRAP, infantry, jtac) is important when you're flying low in a helicopter !
Keep up the good work ! :)
NVG does not work for CPG in multicrew. Does this video mean that it will be fixed soon?
I've used this already, and it's pretty buggy. Sometimes you won't get permission to fire. Or you engage too early, by not following the call out protocol. JTAC yells ABORT ABORT ABORT! at you and turns off the laser when the missile is already on the air. Currently a very frustrating system to use. I'm hoping this is an improved system coming soon.
When set up correctly in the ME, it works quite well. Most errors are due to not accounting for range and blocking terrain.
@@MattWagner I ran this with a aerial JTAC2. At 15000ft, might have been too large of an orbit? 10 miles is too far? Either way I could get off 5 it 6 hellfires with the system and the JTAC would get stuck and not allow you to fire at any more targets. ABORT ABORT ABORT!
@@jayemm6840 Sounds like a mission set up error when assigning JTAC targets. Please use our forum / Mission Editor sub for assistance.
ABORT ABORT ABORT! 😂
That JTAC sounds vaguely familiar, I just can’t place it. He doesn’t have the name tag Wagner on his BDU’s does he ?
Dear matt , I have a demand' as a person who love the DCS and improvements for DCS .
After more than a decade I think it's time to change the whole ATC voices !
changing the whole AWACS voices and all AI voices.
And please if it's gonna to change please use the new radio communication rules and add more radio communication words for more and new orders and requests .
Add several voices for more reality , currently in DCS it's doesn't matter you are at Caucuses or Persian gulf or other maps , you are at Sochi Adler or Sukhumi , all ATC's has same voices with same accents.
It will be great if we fly at any maps and airports hearing the random different voices with some accents which is close to the region we fly.
And please add several radio effects on the voices.
And the last one , is changing the loading mission and some other loading pictures and some other very very old & very simple things , which is not need to take a huge hard work for changing them.
Changing some things like these really can make a huge + energy for DCS pilots.
Thanks in advance
As we've noted in the past, we are actively working on this and all comms. It's a massive task. Once we have new news to pass along, we look forward to doing so.
this video basically is wags talking about pilot-wags talking with jtac-wags
Hi Wags, when will JTAC spot and designate with laser so we can fire blind (behind obstruction like a hill or group of trees to remain safe from enemy)
Probably out range or obscuring terrain.
Great Video! thanks
Is this gonna work for moving targets too?
This looks like a lot of fun. So far I've only played the builtin missions. How do I make a JTAC work in some version of free play / multiplayer? Is it possible for the JTAC to use a coded laser so I don't have to target?
As mentioned near the start of the video, laser designation is one JTAC designation option. AI JTAC in the mission editor is part of the free to play DCS core.
So I guess I didn’t understand something. If the JTAC is using a laser to point at the target, why wouldn’t you just use that same laser to lase the target for the Hellfire missile? I thought that’s what was going to happen so was a little confused when the Apache fired their laser too.
Because those lasers, like the IZLID Ultra Series, are not able to guide weapons. They are only for illumination, target marking and identifying purposes.
@@Scoobz187 Makes sense! I didn’t know that and thought they all used the targeting kind. I love learning little rid buts of info like this though, so thank you for the reply. Cool to see it being done so realistically!
Is it you that voiced JTAC? Voices sound similar
I am not able to make ir pointer work. It say no marks. I did everything.
I used everything from tow humvee, Stryker, tanks, infantry etc. It communicates but no laser or ir pointer. 😑😭
Check range and obstacles
@@MattWagnerSir, I did that too.
Please use our forums and post the mission so we can see where you went sideways.
@@MattWagner Copy that Boss. Thanks for your help.
@@harmandeepsingh6598 note that IR Pointer range must be under only 2500 feet. See video description. This will change to 5 nm.
looking very interesting
Does the Ai jtac system work also other moudolse like f16, mi 24?
Yes
@@MattWagner Will you also update FLIR system to combine arms either? (for some of the tanks there is option to use IR cammera which uses the old FLIR system)
@@ronavi1219 Yes
does the LST work in combination with the JTAC?
LST will be added to the -64 later.
@@MattWagner good to know, thanks!
I don't get it; You acquire target based on coordinates. You laze it yourself. Why the IR beam?
The target coordinate allowed me to point the TADS to the target location to engage it. The IR Pointer is used to verify the target location. Later, Laser Spot Track will be added to the TADS.
no flash in the sky when the missile hits.
Fired without a cleared hot? :P
No cleared hot?
lethality confirmed!
We need a TACP team in ghille suits that we can hide in some bushes, or the ability to designate a building as a JTAC unit (as if the man is inside lazing targets from a window). Having a humvee parked on a hill 500 miles inside enemy territory looks ridiculous.
Not a bad video, just a few points to make it actually accurate
No such thing as Type 2 in effect
Line 8 most likely wouldn't be 4.5km away, be almost impossible to pick out the target at night
Troops in Contact wouldn't be in line 4
The JTAC would never add weather in the remarks, and the pilot would know the cloud deck better than the JTAC
There's no restrictions for pilot to run in on
How can the pilot report IP inbound if he wasn't given one in lines 1-3
Also, Rotary wing doesn't use IP's, they use BP's
In this sceanrio the IR pointer was almost pointless, the pilot didn't even look for the target and couldn't see it
Type 2 is a type of control so it is a thing
Lines 1-3 can be N/A so that’s accurate
Line 4 is elevation
You can give weather info in remarks if it’s a factor
Good comments
Lines 1-3 can be simply "from the overhead", they aren't always used in conjunction with a location.
Line 4 is elevation of the target, if you are referring to the JTAC location 4500 meters away in Line 8, they could be 4.5 km away with dedicated targeting optics, especially if they were occupying an overwatch location on high terrain. It depends on whether they are mounted or dismounted, and what equipment they are capable of carrying.
Restrictions aren't mandatory, although they are common.
Rotary wing can use IPs or BPs, depending on the tactical situation and what specific attack brief they are given.
The remainder of the inaccuracies are limitations of the existing JTAC code, which has been the same for about 10 years, which is why some of the situation update is sort of intermixed with the attack brief itself. I'm guessing this more of a demonstration of how to use the JTAC from the AH-64D with point entry and understanding that the TADS can't see the IR pointer, so you need to use the goggles; it's not a class on CAS TTPs or doctrine.
@@Raptor_9 Why cannot TADS see the laser pointer? Is it that far infrared? But the IR goggles are no thermal cameras either, so why would they be able to?
That came in a later version of the -64 with the "fused" TADS option. It would not be accurate for this version.
Hey Matt, could you help me by making a video or reply to my comment. When I play dcs I have this problem where it has a red shield and when I try to join servers it will say pure client required. Thanks!
It means you have some sort of modified files in your DCS install. Run a repair, and any "not stock" files will be placed into a folder labeled ".backup000" inside the main DCS install folder.
The server host is running an integrity check to prevent players from running mods. Some mods pass this integrity check, but some others that alter the base install files will not.
@@Raptor_9 I tried the the method you suggested and it did not work sadly but if you could still help me. When I’m click on multiplayer and the I click on the red shield/integrity check it says bazar/smoketable.sht I tried going to the dcs world bazar folder and pasting the integrity check thing it doesn’t work I don’t know what to do. Thanks for your help!
please fix ah-64d flir in syria
very cool :)
Sick.
Wags, you ever get the feeling you’re talking to yourself?
How is it different from other JTAC ?
New JTAC as an infantry unit with extended sensor and designation ranges.
@@MattWagner Oh perfect !.
@@MattWagner Hey Matt, thanks for the update. Are we able to change the laser code of the JTAC?
@@Davedirt3 only through the mission editor, with the correct advanced waypoint action.
@@Davedirt3 On the to-do list.
good, but not as good as with miyagi! (for context, my favorite human jtac xD)
@Matt Wagner You cannot shoot without being CLEARED HOT. Back to your training pilot!
Well, there is always a time and a place for a little war crime, right?
ABORT ABORT ABORT!
boom
Noice
So does that mean the JTAC works now, because it has been in the game for over 10 years and breaks so frequently that there is no point in even trying to use it as a mission maker.
Works well here, it often comes down to the correctly using it in the ME and accounting for range and blocking terrain.
Same old problems :P Ai does not say callsign apache because no one recorded a single word, jtac said IP N / A and then asks to report on IP INBOUND kekw
As we've said before, we are reworking the entire comm system. Please wait for the extensive update later.
:)
That voice sounds so familure...
You didn't said: "Missile away." when you fired so this does not count. I repeat: this does not count!