The main draw of this device for me, is it size. This is making me seriously reconsider. Waiting for the a5x2 or just getting this. I don't need the color but that extra inch over the new supernote is enticing.
Very interesting and thoughtful first impression. I wonder if the lack of colour gradient consistency is a limitation of the technology or the software.
Post recording the video, I realized that the Contrast Filter was set to automatic by default. When I select that off, the first two columns still look the same, but then the subsequent columns look much better as you would expect. I will cover that in the next video.
Thank you for the review. In future episodes, I wonder if you can review the reading experience of the device - does the grey background makes reading more difficult? Does the less smooth rending of the letters (see from other videos) becomes too much to enjoy the reading? What's the smallest font you feel you can read comfortably on this device. I returned my RM2 because of the poor reading experience - the letter color looks "faded" and I struggled to read after certain time on it. The RMPP is said to have darker letters but less smooth edges of the letters. I wonder whether that leads to an overall improved reading experience or worse.
Great review. I still wonder about the colour comparison between Galy and Remarkable, remember that when Galy was released it was always said that Gallery 3 had +/- 50.000 colours, now they claim +/- 20.000. So it would be interesting to see if there were more gradients in the Galy 3. The same colour chart would be helpful in that.
Agreed. I have to figure out how to load that onto the device. I used to be able to connect my devices via a cable and transfer files, but my computer doesn't seem to allow that anymore and that's even after disabling Norton. Maybe I can bring it over via OneDrive . . .
From what I can read between the lines, it looks like the Gallery screen has 8 true colors and the rest are done with dithering (which doesn't seem to show at all well on the color charts!).
The criticisms of the colors shifting are vastly overblown. This feels like such a revolutionary product, and it's an improvement over the rM2 in basically every way. Colors pop like bright ink on paper in a way that we have not yet seen on any e-ink devices. I've been using the device for only a few days and I'm already used to the color shifts. It's an expensive product to be sure, but if it fits within your budget I don't think you'll regret getting one!
You know, I'm kind of leaning your way. I'm still not sure if the price point justifies this, but the issues I have seen early on seem less of an issue to me now and I'm starting to look past that and appreciate what this device is doing well. Still have not settled on a final opinion, but I'm getting there . . . .
Unfortunately, I don't use Obsidian. I tried it, but it just wasn't for me. I do know that a fellow RUclipsr, Organizing for Change, is an Obsidian user, but his device is a Supernote. You may want to post on the subreddit RemarkableTablet. It's a pretty active community that can speak to that topic.
Yes, excellent point! It does look better that way, as it turns out the gradient filter was set to auto by default. I will look at the same page again in my next video with the filter off. But I can tell you that while the first two columns look much the same, the remaining columns do look better. On a similar vein, I was playing with lego instructions and the images looked terrible in color. But again, by turning the contrast filter off the situation was much better. I'm starting to think that the filter is best for B&W PDFs that are too faint, and that the filter helps to darken those images, which is a common problem. Given that, I'm not sure why the default setting for the filter is Automatic vs. Off, but perhaps that will be more clear as I put the device through its paces.
From what I've heard so far the Auto contrast distinguishes between text (black and white) and pictures, but demos people have done turning it on and off hasn't made much of a different.
I have the rM2, and zooming in and out is very slow on image heavy, detail rich pages (eg A3 scanned mindmaps or some digitallly scanned PDFs of old physical books)... is the zoom function much faster on RMPP? I am imagining refresh rate and larger ram would help a lot...
For a "distraction-free" device, those color refreshes, especially on PDFs are SUPER distracting. I guess you'd get used to it; but it's pretty jarring. I know it's a lot harder to render color epaper screens, and I know RM did their homework, but it's just not there for me for color yet.
In a „normal“ black and white scenario, there are zero refreshes like on the rM2, which is the majority of my use cases. When using color as a markup in a document, the refreshes are limited to the color you add and I am pretty sure there are even more ways for reMarkable to improve the software in the future even more. Refreshes during page changes are part of the eInk tech for the foreseeable future and not a major issue for me at this point.
I find myself mixed on page refreshes in that sometimes it bothers me and other times I just react as if it's the equivalent of white noise. I'm not sure where this device will ultimately land for me.
@@designdisorder except that the RM2 occasionally does whole screen black flash refreshes out of the blue. Something which (mostly) I find I tune out (unless it does it while I'm writing).
For a gallery display they've actually done an amazing job minimizing ghosting and refresh problems. If you're used to eat ink and you've gone through kaleido base two and three that's pretty cool.
You know, the more I think about it, the more I realize there is a chasm between the reMarkable and the Supernote/Boox devices. If you are interested in what Supernote/Boox are doing, you probably won't be happy with the reMarkable, and if you are focused on the reMarkable, then you probably won't appreciate what the Supernote/Boox can provide. This isn't a right or wrong answer situation, this all comes down to preferences. Me, I'm a Supernote/Boox kind of guy, but I completely get why people are in the reMarkable camp. The struggle I have is helping people to decide which camp they are in. And, of course, there is a gap between Supernote and Boox as well. Not sure if that helped, but if you wanted my quick answer, that's it.
@@jeffreymoss you are correct. Each device has is each pros and cons. And that’s a tough question to answer due to everyone’s different usages for it. I’ve watched quite a few videos and decide to take a leap on the Pro. Until I saw the price. Im in no way bashing Remarkable. Not saying its to pricey. What I’m saying is out of all the videos I’ve seen? Nobody has been “wowed!!” by it (the honest reviewers). And it seems to have a few quirks that turn a lot of people off. Hence the reason I inquired it being a game changer over the 10.3 (which seems to be the go to as a overall average). Thank you for the reply!!
Those flashes before the color shows up as rendered would make me crazy. I do not think the tech is there yet. This would be too much of a compromise for me. BTW he front light almost does not look its there even on maximum setting as seen.at 33:19. Yep, the front light is a joke. Great overview. Looking forward for the next episode.Thank you
The value of the front light doesn’t come across in most videos I have seen so far. In real life the front light is a major improvement and can. It be compared to normal LED screens which rely on backlights as an essential part of the screen technology. The front light is suppose to replace the ambient light / day light. Not to mention the fact that a more intense light would require way to much battery, which would counter a major benefit of eInk devices running for weeks without a recharge.
But it's thinner I guess.. A compromise they didn't take lightly. Imo, good enough with the brighter E-ink tech. I usually use my Kaleido 3 screen at 40-50% brightness in low light situations, which might be close to Remarkable Pro at max, and close to Carta Kindle at 0 brightness. I'm curious about where they're equivalent in terms of brightness.
thanks i appreciate your work but the device is still very immature, i tried it and it has a lot of problems. they are very annoying! Writing filling, flickering, latency!
I'm debating sending mine back, the color flashing looks really glitchy and broken. Not worth it for yellow highlights and simple colors. I even prefer the feel of writing on the rM2.
I'm still sorting my thoughts on this device. It's strange that a simpler device is harder to pin down. There is definitely some notable strengths and weaknesses here.
Indeed. When you said you wanted it wider more than taller, it is... but the frame isn't, which gives the illusion. Both are 4:3 (or is that 3:4 in portrait mode?) aspect ratio!. I very much appreciate that they kept that consistent while adding more pixels!
The only color 13.3 is from Mooink, but it is Kaleido 3, no built in front light, and limited in terms of functionality. It's as costly as the Boox Tab X so it wasn't recommended much. The RM Pro is perhaps the closest to an ideal A4 color e-tablet as a result. It's actually cheaper too!
When you draw a non-black line, the line draws black underneath your pen as you draw... but a coloring effect follows behind, like a person on a cartoon laying a dynamite fuse while the burning part of the fuse is following up behind them. It is a lot more visible drawing in yellow (which he didn't show).
Yeah, I'm not sure either. But this is a first impressions. I'll need to spend a week or two with the device to really get to know if some of the issues I have had are on me or if they are limitations of the device.
I agree as it relates to the top-down shots - those have really befuddled me. I actually tried a new technique this time around and have been experimenting all year. It's a constant conflict between even lighting, shadows, and screen glare. I can minimize some of those effects, but are not able to address all three due to limitations of my studio. But I try to ensure that the things I'm pointing at and referencing are well-lit, don't fall under shadow, and are in focus. I'll keep plugging away until I can find the best balance for the space. I realized this morning that I hadn't tried tilting the device slightly, and that might allow me to bring the light in closer with no glare and thus more even lighting. Last point, it really helps when the device has strong front lighting, but that's a challenge with this particular device.
I have the remarkable paper pro and am loving it. This is a very good review the best I have seen so far, keep up the good work. 😊😊
Your section on color vs paper was awesome! It helped reveal weaknesses of different color technologies.
Thank you for making these videos. I just bought one and I like it so much.
That I bought a remarkable 2 also .
I wish I had bought one earlier .
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Such a relaxing and thoughtful video loved it❤
The main draw of this device for me, is it size. This is making me seriously reconsider. Waiting for the a5x2 or just getting this. I don't need the color but that extra inch over the new supernote is enticing.
Very interesting and thoughtful first impression. I wonder if the lack of colour gradient consistency is a limitation of the technology or the software.
Yeah, that's a great question. At 20k colors, I would have expected more variation than I saw.
Contrast booster on/off maybe 🤷♀️
@@kw4358 Yep, I'm just about to drop a video illustrating that. Great call out!
@@jeffreymoss Awesome. Thank you. Watched already. Liked.
Great video, as always. I can't wait to see the review. Also, I am wondering if tinkering the PDF settings would help with color gradation
Post recording the video, I realized that the Contrast Filter was set to automatic by default. When I select that off, the first two columns still look the same, but then the subsequent columns look much better as you would expect. I will cover that in the next video.
Thank you for the review. In future episodes, I wonder if you can review the reading experience of the device - does the grey background makes reading more difficult? Does the less smooth rending of the letters (see from other videos) becomes too much to enjoy the reading? What's the smallest font you feel you can read comfortably on this device. I returned my RM2 because of the poor reading experience - the letter color looks "faded" and I struggled to read after certain time on it. The RMPP is said to have darker letters but less smooth edges of the letters. I wonder whether that leads to an overall improved reading experience or worse.
I'll take a look at that. I'll load PDF and EPUB files and see how they perform.
Great review.
I still wonder about the colour comparison between Galy and Remarkable, remember that when Galy was released it was always said that Gallery 3 had +/- 50.000 colours, now they claim +/- 20.000. So it would be interesting to see if there were more gradients in the Galy 3. The same colour chart would be helpful in that.
Agreed. I have to figure out how to load that onto the device. I used to be able to connect my devices via a cable and transfer files, but my computer doesn't seem to allow that anymore and that's even after disabling Norton. Maybe I can bring it over via OneDrive . . .
From what I can read between the lines, it looks like the Gallery screen has 8 true colors and the rest are done with dithering (which doesn't seem to show at all well on the color charts!).
The criticisms of the colors shifting are vastly overblown. This feels like such a revolutionary product, and it's an improvement over the rM2 in basically every way. Colors pop like bright ink on paper in a way that we have not yet seen on any e-ink devices. I've been using the device for only a few days and I'm already used to the color shifts. It's an expensive product to be sure, but if it fits within your budget I don't think you'll regret getting one!
You know, I'm kind of leaning your way. I'm still not sure if the price point justifies this, but the issues I have seen early on seem less of an issue to me now and I'm starting to look past that and appreciate what this device is doing well. Still have not settled on a final opinion, but I'm getting there . . . .
If you use obsidian note software . Is this a great addition to that note software ?
Unfortunately, I don't use Obsidian. I tried it, but it just wasn't for me. I do know that a fellow RUclipsr, Organizing for Change, is an Obsidian user, but his device is a Supernote. You may want to post on the subreddit RemarkableTablet. It's a pretty active community that can speak to that topic.
You have the best review for the paper pro!
What about enabling or disabling the contrast filter? Does that make the fading in the test print pattern more noticeable?
I was going to ask the same. I wonder if it was on or off or automatic
Yes, excellent point! It does look better that way, as it turns out the gradient filter was set to auto by default. I will look at the same page again in my next video with the filter off. But I can tell you that while the first two columns look much the same, the remaining columns do look better.
On a similar vein, I was playing with lego instructions and the images looked terrible in color. But again, by turning the contrast filter off the situation was much better. I'm starting to think that the filter is best for B&W PDFs that are too faint, and that the filter helps to darken those images, which is a common problem. Given that, I'm not sure why the default setting for the filter is Automatic vs. Off, but perhaps that will be more clear as I put the device through its paces.
Automatic. I'm going to do the image again in my next video with it off and the results will be different.
From what I've heard so far the Auto contrast distinguishes between text (black and white) and pictures, but demos people have done turning it on and off hasn't made much of a different.
@@corwin-7365 My next video will illustrate that and I think it does make a big difference. But I guess that will depend on the source document.
I have the rM2, and zooming in and out is very slow on image heavy, detail rich pages (eg A3 scanned mindmaps or some digitallly scanned PDFs of old physical books)... is the zoom function much faster on RMPP? I am imagining refresh rate and larger ram would help a lot...
I'm not sure I'd call it a lot faster, but yes, the rMPP is snappier than the rM2.
@@jeffreymoss Good to hear.
For a "distraction-free" device, those color refreshes, especially on PDFs are SUPER distracting. I guess you'd get used to it; but it's pretty jarring. I know it's a lot harder to render color epaper screens, and I know RM did their homework, but it's just not there for me for color yet.
In a „normal“ black and white scenario, there are zero refreshes like on the rM2, which is the majority of my use cases. When using color as a markup in a document, the refreshes are limited to the color you add and I am pretty sure there are even more ways for reMarkable to improve the software in the future even more. Refreshes during page changes are part of the eInk tech for the foreseeable future and not a major issue for me at this point.
I find myself mixed on page refreshes in that sometimes it bothers me and other times I just react as if it's the equivalent of white noise. I'm not sure where this device will ultimately land for me.
@@designdisorder except that the RM2 occasionally does whole screen black flash refreshes out of the blue. Something which (mostly) I find I tune out (unless it does it while I'm writing).
For a gallery display they've actually done an amazing job minimizing ghosting and refresh problems.
If you're used to eat ink and you've gone through kaleido base two and three that's pretty cool.
@@rjsheffer2 That's a good call out. Overall, they seem to have done a good job of improving the tech while minimizing its weaknesses.
I really appreciate the time stamps thank you
16:38 The refresh stars😅. That was pretty funny.
It's kind of embarrassing, but too funny to cut out.
How’s it compare side by side to the 10.3 in your quick opinion? Meaning which one would you pay for first?
You know, the more I think about it, the more I realize there is a chasm between the reMarkable and the Supernote/Boox devices. If you are interested in what Supernote/Boox are doing, you probably won't be happy with the reMarkable, and if you are focused on the reMarkable, then you probably won't appreciate what the Supernote/Boox can provide. This isn't a right or wrong answer situation, this all comes down to preferences. Me, I'm a Supernote/Boox kind of guy, but I completely get why people are in the reMarkable camp. The struggle I have is helping people to decide which camp they are in. And, of course, there is a gap between Supernote and Boox as well. Not sure if that helped, but if you wanted my quick answer, that's it.
@@jeffreymoss you are correct. Each device has is each pros and cons. And that’s a tough question to answer due to everyone’s different usages for it. I’ve watched quite a few videos and decide to take a leap on the Pro. Until I saw the price. Im in no way bashing Remarkable. Not saying its to pricey. What I’m saying is out of all the videos I’ve seen? Nobody has been “wowed!!” by it (the honest reviewers). And it seems to have a few quirks that turn a lot of people off. Hence the reason I inquired it being a game changer over the 10.3 (which seems to be the go to as a overall average). Thank you for the reply!!
Those flashes before the color shows up as rendered would make me crazy. I do not think the tech is there yet. This would be too much of a compromise for me. BTW he front light almost does not look its there even on maximum setting as seen.at 33:19. Yep, the front light is a joke. Great overview. Looking forward for the next episode.Thank you
The value of the front light doesn’t come across in most videos I have seen so far. In real life the front light is a major improvement and can. It be compared to normal LED screens which rely on backlights as an essential part of the screen technology. The front light is suppose to replace the ambient light / day light. Not to mention the fact that a more intense light would require way to much battery, which would counter a major benefit of eInk devices running for weeks without a recharge.
I'm going to try to use the device in various settings to give the front lighting a fair evaluation.
But it's thinner I guess.. A compromise they didn't take lightly. Imo, good enough with the brighter E-ink tech.
I usually use my Kaleido 3 screen at 40-50% brightness in low light situations, which might be close to Remarkable Pro at max, and close to Carta Kindle at 0 brightness.
I'm curious about where they're equivalent in terms of brightness.
thanks i appreciate your work but the device is still very immature, i tried it and it has a lot of problems. they are very annoying! Writing filling, flickering, latency!
I'm debating sending mine back, the color flashing looks really glitchy and broken. Not worth it for yellow highlights and simple colors. I even prefer the feel of writing on the rM2.
I'm still sorting my thoughts on this device. It's strange that a simpler device is harder to pin down. There is definitely some notable strengths and weaknesses here.
Can't wait for you to compare it to boox devices 😊
Boox is Chinese, so just be aware you’re giving your data to China haha
The screen aspect ratio is the same as rM2 - it’s taller rather than wider overall simply because they’ve dropped the wider left bezel.
Good to know. Thank you!
Indeed. When you said you wanted it wider more than taller, it is... but the frame isn't, which gives the illusion. Both are 4:3 (or is that 3:4 in portrait mode?) aspect ratio!. I very much appreciate that they kept that consistent while adding more pixels!
Looks like this is the biggest colour paper screen tablet available at the moment
Yes. I thought a color 13" was supposed to come out by one of the smaller manufacturers, but I haven't heard anything about that in a while.
The only color 13.3 is from Mooink, but it is Kaleido 3, no built in front light, and limited in terms of functionality. It's as costly as the Boox Tab X so it wasn't recommended much.
The RM Pro is perhaps the closest to an ideal A4 color e-tablet as a result. It's actually cheaper too!
@@yensteel RM Pro also has higher PPI than the Tab X
@@yensteel That's right! Thank you for reminding me about that.
What means "snaking"?
When you draw a non-black line, the line draws black underneath your pen as you draw... but a coloring effect follows behind, like a person on a cartoon laying a dynamite fuse while the burning part of the fuse is following up behind them. It is a lot more visible drawing in yellow (which he didn't show).
@@corwin-7365 I actually kind of like it - it reminds me of the effect of ink drying on a page (final refresh/rendering step aside)
Imo, other devices should add a low latency E-ink trail for 3rd party software. It's no fun to write semi blindly even on the fastest refresh rate.
Is it just me or is the black actually blue? It doesnt look very black.
That seems to be a property of the new color screen (versus the RM2 B/W). :-(
It looks black to me, but I am of the older sort, so my vision isn't the greatest.
Slow and dim. Not sure if it's what I want.
Yeah, I'm not sure either. But this is a first impressions. I'll need to spend a week or two with the device to really get to know if some of the issues I have had are on me or if they are limitations of the device.
@@jeffreymoss Thank you for your work for us!
@@baltgames1 You're welcome. It's great to help!
Remarkable 2 is way better.
I like your videos but your lighting setup sucks.
I agree as it relates to the top-down shots - those have really befuddled me. I actually tried a new technique this time around and have been experimenting all year. It's a constant conflict between even lighting, shadows, and screen glare. I can minimize some of those effects, but are not able to address all three due to limitations of my studio. But I try to ensure that the things I'm pointing at and referencing are well-lit, don't fall under shadow, and are in focus. I'll keep plugging away until I can find the best balance for the space. I realized this morning that I hadn't tried tilting the device slightly, and that might allow me to bring the light in closer with no glare and thus more even lighting. Last point, it really helps when the device has strong front lighting, but that's a challenge with this particular device.
Horrible value you get for that money, seems like a device from 80’s.
The price is a glaring concern here.
@@savrah to be honest all eink devices are expensive particularly the big devices. At the moment unfortunately it’s a bit of luxury item.
If only I had had this in the 80's...!!! 🙂