I've never noticed this before, but in embracing Haldir at the very end Aragorn did him such a great service. The stars are of great significance to the elves. Being the first of the races to awaken, when they awoke there was no sun or moon, the two trees had not yet been planted, and (I believe) the lamps had been destroyed. The only form of light at the time of the elves awakening was the stars. As a result the stars hold an almost religious significance for them. Haldir is about to fall forward here, as Aragorn embraces him he falls back, allowing his last sight to be the stars overhead.
I love how the defenders fly into a collective rage when they notice Theoden is injured and immediatly start pushing back with renewed fervor once he's safetly behind them.
Well he was a real leader who was fighting on the frontline. The men will respect that and fight for that leader. Not for some coward who hides in the back
That's usually the reaction you'll get when you respect and love your leader, especially when he's on the front lines taking hits like everyone else. I always found that scene to be important and special too.
I love how this battle, by this time, just made you feel exhausted. Not because of how long it was, but because of the emotional impact of it. The opening volleys, the breach of the wall, the defenders desperately trying to hold on. You really felt it all
@@shehzadmoosa3028 it's funny that that one orc is the only one that has a realistic reaction to getting shot by an arrow, all others instantly die for no reason.
@@nautilusstopmotion8304 did you see where those two arrow hit though? The location angle and depth of those shot would, in the very least, drop even that or to its feet for a moment. Those things pierced lungs, veins and the second shot looked to be aimed downward right at the heart.
@@kristiankepley5944 He's talking about the design of the fortress itself, which is true. They do a good job holding it, but it is a very poorly designed fortress (at least as depicted in the movie). The perfect example comes at 5:05 when the defenders retreat and the gate is finally breached. As they retreat into the keep, you can clearly see there is absolutely nothing preventing the Uruk Hai from getting inside as well. They just have to run up a ramp and that's it. You can see the issue with this at 5:25 where a decent number of the defenders are cut off from entering the keep by the Uruk Hai, and presumably slaughtered because of it. In reality, there should have been another gate preventing the Uruk Hai from just walking into the keep. Of course it's a fantasy movie, and one of the best ever made, but the design of the fort was pretty bad.
@@DariusOfPersia it's a cool design, but it clearly can be improved: a moat on front of the wall and a drawbridge at the gate, to begin with. plus they should have sealed the gate from the inside with big pile of rocks and earth. but then, it wouldn't be very cinematic if the Uruks spent the whole night trying to fill a moat in order to get to the wall while being shot at, and not being able to reach the gate because there's a huge gap in front of it. I guess they could have used the giant ladders anyway but only with that...by the time Gandalf arrived, all the Uruks would have been dead, covered in arrows. nice way to win in RTW, not very cinematic for movies.
@@ALUCARD-us3il Uruk-hai are orcs, just a particularly tough breed of such (in fact, Uruk-hai literally just means “orc folk” in Black Speech). Another FYI: according to Tolkien himself, the word orc is basically just an Elvish loanword that literally means “goblin”; Tolkien doesn’t make the same kind of distinctions between orcs and goblins that you see in subsequent fantasy franchises.
4:55 No one is talking about that so i do. I love that scene. It shows what Legolas said earlier, and perfectly portrayes how outclassed Rohans "army" was without having the edge of beeing inside of Helms Deep. Just look how one sided it is, and how overpowered this child was. Just imagine beeing like what 16 years, pulled into army and then such a tank of a monstrous beast is handling you in a "younger brother thinks he can challenge his older brother" style.
Well hey might as well die like a man instead of running away like a bitch lmao however realistically I’d probably run away…. I’m 5’5 135 pounds definitely no chance against a 6’4 raging Uruk thirsty for man blood hell I’m already dreading the mere thought of an Uruk hai saying “HAHAHA….you pathetic COWARD!!! Hiding won’t help ya.”
Well it’s always a win win for the elves even if they die they still get to go to Valinor so rest assure knowing all these “dead” elves are fine chilling in Valinor the reason why I said “dead” with quotation is that for elves even if you lose your physical form you still don’t die for the elves as long as your spirit lives your are alive
@@MrHistory269 Oh no my friend! Elves are meant to await in the halls of Mandos whenever they fall in battle or by any other means and await Dagor Dagorath the battles of battles at the end of time. Only men have the privilege of being reunited with Eru upon death!
@@Aregon972 Eventhough the Elves "die" and await in the Halls of Mandos it's not eternal or until the Final Battle. They await in the Halls until their souls are cleansed then they'll be reincarnated with a physical form in Valinor. That's why unrepentant Elves like Feanor will reside with Mandos for eternity
I ADORE the Isengard Army; Not only looking professional, but acting so (muc more then Mordor at least xD). -Suppressing the Elves on the walls with crossbows - Pikewall against the charge - The Berserkers set on the ladders - Using the turtle formation - Using the Crossbows immediatly on the gate breach. If Saruman had the means of Morder, Minas Tirith woud have been a lot more one sided...
I agree, if Saruman had amassed to 200,000 plus as Sauron had, he would've been able to rule middle earth himself. The Uruks were vastly superior to orcs in not only physical ability but in tactics as mentioned.
Son of the Black Rage Well I think Mordor were more counting on their numbers to win the war. I imagine if it had been 10.000 Mordor orcs (No Nazguls, No Trolls or anything, just normal Mordor orcs), the battle would probably have been easier for Rohan, and they may not have needed Gandalfs help at all.
@@leonlopez2441 Yes! but let's keep it a "little" fair for the poor bastards of westeors just one balrog cause 10 or 15 can easily destroy all of westeors in a year or less in their speed. hey if you want to make up a scenario of sauron/saurman invade westores i'm game. where should the invasion begin north of the wall or in essos?
"What can man do against such reckless hate?" You can not send your men outside castle walls and have a suicide cavalry charge for starters. You did well Theoden! You did well!
Dani G. Barreto at that point, they could all tell they were doomed anyway. They might as well go out on their own terns, as was the way of their people.
It actually makes sense and is quite historical in fact. This is what's called a "sally forth" in which defenders of a sieged fortification/city would 'sally out' of the defenses and charge in the hopes of disrupting the attack and sometimes break the siege. It happened many times throughout history and in some of them, the enemy was caught off guard and completely repelled. "A sally, ultimately derived from Latin salīre (to jump), or "salle" sortie, is a military maneuver, typically during a siege, made by a defending force to harass isolated or vulnerable attackers before retreating to their defenses. Sallies are a common way for besieged forces to reduce the strength and preparedness of a besieging army; a sally port is therefore essentially a door in a castle or city wall, that allows troops to make sallies without compromising the defensive strength of fortifications.[1]" From Wikipedia.
If you guys look closely from 5:18 to 5:26 , you can see Arwen being the first one going up the stairs retreating. She was originally suppose to fight in the battle for Helm's Deep but was later cut , yet you can still see her here.
Oh my goodness--she's the one with a quiver of arrows on her back that isn't Legolas, right? Of all the countless times I've seen this movie, I've never caught that!
At about 5:22, you can clearly see at least an elf, if not a few, who survived the entire battle. In the script, PJ has “all remaining elves and men” retreat to the glittering caves, leaving the Rohan Royal Guard there to ride out and eventually meet the Uruk Hai. Even before this, you see elves providing cover for retreating forces, but that’s beside the point - and before the specific scene I’m talking about. I’ve seen a few other posts discussing the last remaining elves. The best consensus is that the few survivors marched back to Lorien to take part in the Siege of Lothlorien...Must’ve been a shit journey home for the few remaining elves, who after losing much of their kin in this battle, undoubtedly had to also take part in facing an invasion of their homeland of Lothlorien soon upon their return from the battle at Helm’s Deep. Yes, I obviously know this is separate from the book where only Legolas actually was there, but I’m just strictly going by the movie in this particular case.
The elf at the front that runs up the stairs first when the gate is breeched is Arwen. They had her at the battle then edited out but not all of her. If you look carefully when they charge out she's there too, and when they're going down the causeway she's next to Aragon on the right but they changed the colour of her hair. You can also see her just after the reinforcements clash with isen. In background dressed in red with black hair.
@@MasterChief806 That's millions of dollars just for one episode. Even with that money, they were able to achieve amazing visuals that could easily beat any visuals Peter and his crew had back in the day when they made LotR. Yet for some reason, that's the best they can come up with?
Red Raider well if it’s 20 mill an episode, and that fight was the majority of that episode, they should have had no problem getting it to at least this quality, considering this is only a 20 min fight and is pretty old
@@armoda1057 you know that they had 3 months to write the script for season 7 and 8 while Martin just said the the outlines and he left the to figure out how to solve one of the most complex storyline ever created while he has 11 years to finish one book and he still has finished it
@@TheBuri00 He actually said that when Legolas kill mumakil in 3rd part, this is just editet video with Gimlis audio placed in that particular moment, but I was laughing also. Uploader edited this nicely 😂
It was always insane to me how Jackson manages to keep the tension. Cause every few minutes there’s a scene where it appears the battle might be turning. Yet they’re all immediately followed by scenes that show that the battle is far from over and up the tension by showing the orcs maintaining the upper hand.
I’m coming from the books and was super confused lol. I actually went through the comments to find out who the fuck that was that died cause I didn’t remember reading about it in the book
agreed, it will deviate from the books, as Celeborn need a great host in their battles in Lothlorien and Mirkwood, since its fiction, wish they used/created another group of Elves that would solve any conflict of continuity in the series...
4:02 One of the best moments in film. I remember it in the cinema, complete silence and this moment where the huge latter crashes into the crowd. Everyone was just silently "wooooow"
@@BlackWhiteBelgrade011 yea, I noticed that immediately, aragorn says "are you sure, it's a long way" and Gimli responds "throw me...you'll have to throw me I cannot make it" and then the pause "but please don't tell the elf"
tropicthunder131 I dont know if its all practical or not from the beginning of the shot till the end, but seeing how they retreat and fight at the same time while rest keep trying to fend them off and how camera follows the action perfectly. Legolas still shootin, mad man...
I'm pretty sure it switches from CGI to mostly practical effects after the causeway and the deeping wall fall out of view. It's incredible that A: the CGI blends so well with the practical effects, and B: that it still looks better than CGI battles that came out last year despite being close to 20 years old.
Gimli's courage is LEGENDARY in this battle. Furius to fight on and enraged by the order to retreat to the keep, 2 elves had to pull him out of the fight.
No one is going to reply that he was already in his 60s? I will... He prob wasn't chosen to go on the quest for the Lonely Mountain because in dwarven years he was too young, Fili and Kili just got in being 75 odd, Thorin being the oldest at 195 years. So if anything, he would of been more obstinate being a teenage dwarf.
That clash at 4:54, when that brave boy just charges a uruk-hai with the axe...my god that possibly is one of the most powerfull scenes of the battle, that is concentrated on one-on-one fight !
Can we take one moment to realise that Theoden is a damn Badass... gets hit by a lance, taking one himself and stab that Uruk showing him how its done... a real king
@@justinespada4930 why are you fucking commenting the same thing everywhere? GoT and LotR had different themes, in GoT the main characters were always getting killed off so it was bullshit that they survived against impossible odds in Winterfell battle. In LotR, the main characters represent the power of good, so them surviving against all odds show that ultimately good wins against evil.
The Half Brit those don’t count, just like, yet no limited to: Boromir, Gandalf the Grey (first lifetime and best), Theoden, countless Gondor Rangers/soldiers/third tier characters, and Faramir hanging on by a thread after a suicidal charge that kinda reminds me of GoT, only difference is it was pointed out to be stupid in LoTR lmao
I love how the first thing Aragorn does after he lays down his dying buddy is straight up punch an orc in the face and kill him like what a mighty fine man
One of my favorite parts is gimil saying to toss him then adding just before he does "don't tell the elf" I loved the dynamic between legolas and him trying to compete by counting their number of enemies they kill here and during the battle for Minas Tirith
Completely off topic but I love how unashamedly beautiful Haldir is. Like sure he's and elf, but the man's eyelash game is killing it while he is, well, being killed.
At a scene here 1:52, when I first watched this movie, and till this day there can be no character that can beat Aragorn's character, he's such a good leader by letting his men run first, and we can clearly see him running last. Love Aragorn so much, If I was a common foot soldier in Middle Earth, I'd ride into battle any day if Aragorn is leading.
That’s exactly right……and was very carefully planned to show that. Masterful direction and choreography. Btw, that’s me from 1:51 to 2:01 as Aragorn (body double for 18mths)………all night shoot, under 10sec on screen! 😬
yeah, they cutout "you're going to have to toss me" at 2:53 it jumps straight to "don't tell the elf" too. It's sad because it's one of Gimli's best moments
@@applepie1272 the channel added it, the audio is from the battle of Minas tirith when Legolas takes down an oliphant. Funniest part is I can see Gimli actually saying that as he’s fighting off the uruks with Aragorn 😂
When I saw it in the cinema I thought of this as a really great battle no more. But now I relize how hopeless their situasion was. And how terribly they were overrun by uruks. These movies will never be forgotten!!
It's dark, the enemy is wearing dark armor, their skin is almost black too, it was even raining in the beginning and yet you can see everything perfect. You hyped us by saying it would be better than this LOTR masterpiece. Pffff u failed us all
@@bait5257 but if you look at it like this, If it werent fantasy and wasnt a movie it would have been the torches and Full moon, do you know how bright it is When there is a full moon? I mean it is very bright, you can see your Shadow perfectly
Always feel sorry for that poor Rohan soldier/peasant at @4:56 , swings his axe screaming, uruk catches it, head butts him throws him against the wall and punches him in the face with metal fist, and baring in mind it's most likely cold at night and his face wet from rain would make it all the more painful :(
The death of haldir is so sad, especially if you have read the books, it's a character way more develloped in the books but his treatment on jackson's saga is still awesome ! Oh by the way, everyone knows that Lotr is better than GoT
Definitely better than the last season of GoT. But let’s not totally discount the first six seasons of GoT. I’ll always at least treasure the first six seasons. The seventh season is where it started its downward spiral.
Two things I just noticed while watching this video: 1. At 3:52 there are a handful of Elves on the walls with the Rohirrim. 2. At the same time, there are also Uruk-hai on the walls before the ladders get on. The Uruk-hai are actually leaking through from the breach in the Deeping wall from the side.
In this battle you can really tell Aragorn is of Numénorien descent - throwing Gimli fully armored, the ladder plunge, one arm hold of that rope with the dwarf on the other are all feats of strengh beyond any man I'd say.
@@casshernsins8333i blame legolas for their deaths. The ones in the lower walls could’ve made it if legolas didnt stall theem to shoot arrows at the uruk-hai
5:16 Uncut Arwen Footage Look at the top right of the shot. You'll see someone in a black and red dress with a quiver on her back looking around before making her way up the stairs. Aragorn follows closely behind and blocks an Uruk's swing that looks like he was aiming for her. She ends up being the first person to go all the way up the stairs and out of the shot. There are other shots in the daytime scene where you can barely see her red dress on her white horse behind Theoden's as they ride out of the keep, but it always cuts before showing her face. And, of course, there's the brief shot of her fighting on horseback where Eomer rides into the shot. Man, I really wish we got to see the original cut where Arwen kicks ass before Peter Jackson edited her out.
I know this is old af but are we not gonna talk about the Uruk sapper checking the equipment by smacking the shit out of it to make sure it’s good at 3:24 lmfaoo
Aragorn is such a bro when he still rushed to Haldir when he succumbed to his final moments.. Btw.. I like the part at the end you can see Legolas still shooting arrows while retreating! Kinda awesome dedication from Orlando Bloom..
5:18 In the top right corner you can actually see Arwen entering the keep. This is due to the fact that she was originally planned to come to Aragorns aid and fight alongside the elves at helms deep.
I have a theory for that. Rohan had conscripted children and old men into their army. Due to the shortage of weapons and armor some people had to wear Uruk helmets they had looted earlier.
If you look closely, his helmet faces away from the rest of Uruk-hai. So how he managed to survive that long being surrounded by a dozen guys is probably a mistake.
ths small edits such as the WWE "watch out, watch out!" in the previous part and the "still only counts as one" as legolas takes out the siege ladder is good as gold lmao
For all these years watching this film I thought Gimli said "Don't tell me off" before Aragorn tosses him, just realised he's saying "don't tell the elf" 😂
That close courters battle for the half way broken gate is intense and brutal, pretty much how i imagine a battle for an almost breached gate would play out :D
I saw all three LotR movies in theatres. I have never experienced the same thing again. The music and battles, especially this one, was so mind-blowing and incredible I just hoped it never would end.
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"Gimli! Aragorn! get out of there!"
- Barricades gate entrance
"I'm sure they'll be fine"
wally west when they got grabbed, he thought they were done for.
Remover there's the door the same way they got out
worst boss ever
@@notinthelist71 it was the right Thing to do. He Will not risk the safe of all his people just for two soldiers.
Haha never realized that
I love it how gimli needed to be pulled away by two people in order for him to stop fighting
However it only takes Aragon one hand to pull him away xddd
I think he just doesn't like it when an elf tells him to stop.
TheDestroyer 789 I was looking for this comment so I don’t have to write it lol. Love that little guy
i know guys who'll need a whole platoon
@Anonymous5253 yes and no it was gimli but in that scene they used a child to better showcase his small size compared to normal height
I've never noticed this before, but in embracing Haldir at the very end Aragorn did him such a great service. The stars are of great significance to the elves. Being the first of the races to awaken, when they awoke there was no sun or moon, the two trees had not yet been planted, and (I believe) the lamps had been destroyed. The only form of light at the time of the elves awakening was the stars. As a result the stars hold an almost religious significance for them. Haldir is about to fall forward here, as Aragorn embraces him he falls back, allowing his last sight to be the stars overhead.
That is lovely, thank you for the analysis. I really hope this was purposefully done in the film 🙏👏
Hopefully the rain had ended long enough for the clouds to clear.
i died in your armmmsss toniiight.
crying now😢
@@bungiecoocooyou just ruined his theory like that 😂
I love how the defenders fly into a collective rage when they notice Theoden is injured and immediatly start pushing back with renewed fervor once he's safetly behind them.
Well he was a real leader who was fighting on the frontline. The men will respect that and fight for that leader. Not for some coward who hides in the back
@@fujimi715 definitely I'd never put myself in harm's way for a coward who wouldnt stand with me or get infront of me if I was down
No greater love than who lays down his or her life for his or her friends
That's usually the reaction you'll get when you respect and love your leader, especially when he's on the front lines taking hits like everyone else. I always found that scene to be important and special too.
Theoden's buff activated when he took damage
I love how this battle, by this time, just made you feel exhausted. Not because of how long it was, but because of the emotional impact of it. The opening volleys, the breach of the wall, the defenders desperately trying to hold on. You really felt it all
It's just brilliant filmmaking!
3:53 Legolas takes out 30 orcs at once
Gimli: That only counts as one
Daniel Corral yet, he can’t take down the one guy
@@shehzadmoosa3028 it's funny that that one orc is the only one that has a realistic reaction to getting shot by an arrow, all others instantly die for no reason.
@@nautilusstopmotion8304 did you see where those two arrow hit though? The location angle and depth of those shot would, in the very least, drop even that or to its feet for a moment. Those things pierced lungs, veins and the second shot looked to be aimed downward right at the heart.
Chad Dionne and? mortal wounds don't kill instantly, you can easily survive 30 seconds without breathing
Cowabunga!
4:10 Respect to the editor for adding gimli's "That still only counts as one" XD
XD
E-x-actly !
Man I can't stop laughing xD
I loved gimli into the movies, always a bit grumpy, as pure dwarf, but a big heart.
10 years I have been watching this at least once a years and it is the first time I noticed it
Man from a tactical standpoint , this battle is amazingly played by both sides.
The Castle desing was quite awfull. But its true
@@jarabeparatos 300 humans and idk elves against 10,000? And lasted more than a night? In the rain as well?
They did amazing
@@kristiankepley5944 He's talking about the design of the fortress itself, which is true. They do a good job holding it, but it is a very poorly designed fortress (at least as depicted in the movie). The perfect example comes at 5:05 when the defenders retreat and the gate is finally breached. As they retreat into the keep, you can clearly see there is absolutely nothing preventing the Uruk Hai from getting inside as well. They just have to run up a ramp and that's it. You can see the issue with this at 5:25 where a decent number of the defenders are cut off from entering the keep by the Uruk Hai, and presumably slaughtered because of it. In reality, there should have been another gate preventing the Uruk Hai from just walking into the keep. Of course it's a fantasy movie, and one of the best ever made, but the design of the fort was pretty bad.
Yea but the archers on the walls waited too long to start firing
@@DariusOfPersia it's a cool design, but it clearly can be improved: a moat on front of the wall and a drawbridge at the gate, to begin with. plus they should have sealed the gate from the inside with big pile of rocks and earth.
but then, it wouldn't be very cinematic if the Uruks spent the whole night trying to fill a moat in order to get to the wall while being shot at, and not being able to reach the gate because there's a huge gap in front of it. I guess they could have used the giant ladders anyway but only with that...by the time Gandalf arrived, all the Uruks would have been dead, covered in arrows. nice way to win in RTW, not very cinematic for movies.
That shot at 3:40 of the ladders going up with hundreds of orcs hanging off of them is outstanding.
Uruk hai, not orcs lol
@@ALUCARD-us3il Uruk-hai are orcs, just a particularly tough breed of such (in fact, Uruk-hai literally just means “orc folk” in Black Speech). Another FYI: according to Tolkien himself, the word orc is basically just an Elvish loanword that literally means “goblin”; Tolkien doesn’t make the same kind of distinctions between orcs and goblins that you see in subsequent fantasy franchises.
Gimli: That still only counts as one!
Take a minute to try and figure out the physics of the ladders being raised and the ropes that seems to decrease in length
hundreds? you can't count lmao, do you know how much 100 are? that's rather like 20, or 30.
4:55
No one is talking about that so i do.
I love that scene. It shows what Legolas said earlier, and perfectly portrayes how outclassed Rohans "army" was without having the edge of beeing inside of Helms Deep.
Just look how one sided it is, and how overpowered this child was. Just imagine beeing like what 16 years, pulled into army and then such a tank of a monstrous beast is handling you in a "younger brother thinks he can challenge his older brother" style.
Well hey might as well die like a man instead of running away like a bitch lmao however realistically I’d probably run away…. I’m 5’5 135 pounds definitely no chance against a 6’4 raging Uruk thirsty for man blood hell I’m already dreading the mere thought of an Uruk hai saying
“HAHAHA….you pathetic COWARD!!!
Hiding won’t help ya.”
Yes, absolutely heartbreaking😭
That boy got served up like blueberry pie. Me and my bro were laughing like hyenas watching him get sent to the upper room😂
Yeah I feel it too
@@JerkWeed79its not funny.Maybe little the way he cried but still
Its insane that this was 2002
Jonny jonny
I know right?
Jonny Stannard ш
Movies were honestly so much better then.
It's so beautifully well done.. looks 2019ish
Haldir needed a full minute for his thousands of years of life to flash before his eyes
xD
Well it’s always a win win for the elves even if they die they still get to go to Valinor so rest assure knowing all these “dead” elves are fine chilling in Valinor the reason why I said “dead” with quotation is that for elves even if you lose your physical form you still don’t die for the elves as long as your spirit lives your are alive
@@MrHistory269 Oh no my friend! Elves are meant to await in the halls of Mandos whenever they fall in battle or by any other means and await Dagor Dagorath the battles of battles at the end of time. Only men have the privilege of being reunited with Eru upon death!
Quite profound, if you ask me.
@@Aregon972 Eventhough the Elves "die" and await in the Halls of Mandos it's not eternal or until the Final Battle. They await in the Halls until their souls are cleansed then they'll be reincarnated with a physical form in Valinor. That's why unrepentant Elves like Feanor will reside with Mandos for eternity
I ADORE the Isengard Army;
Not only looking professional, but acting so (muc more then Mordor at least xD).
-Suppressing the Elves on the walls with crossbows
- Pikewall against the charge
- The Berserkers set on the ladders
- Using the turtle formation
- Using the Crossbows immediatly on the gate breach.
If Saruman had the means of Morder, Minas Tirith woud have been a lot more one sided...
If saruman couldve mass produced the Uruk hai like sauron produced the orcs, he could've defeated sauron and siezed power himself
@@dale27488 definitely. The Uruks are, in my opinion, superior to most, if not all, Orc species in Morder. Except the bigger ones of course.
I agree, if Saruman had amassed to 200,000 plus as Sauron had, he would've been able to rule middle earth himself. The Uruks were vastly superior to orcs in not only physical ability but in tactics as mentioned.
Son of the Black Rage Well I think Mordor were more counting on their numbers to win the war. I imagine if it had been 10.000 Mordor orcs (No Nazguls, No Trolls or anything, just normal Mordor orcs), the battle would probably have been easier for Rohan, and they may not have needed Gandalfs help at all.
@@darthbricksempire3606 For sure, they would've handled regular orcs rather easily. They wouldn't have had the siege equipment the Uruks had either.
Legolas: “Final count, 42.”
Gimli: “43.”
Aragorn: *Hundreds, and is still angrily murdering Uruk-hai in the distance*
Those kill counts don't make any sense. There had to have been 42 Uruks just on that one ladder that Legolas destroyed.
@@thatrabidpotato8800 as gimli says “that still only counts as one
@@twilightparanormalresearch186 doesn’t count as any cause he destroyed the rope and didn’t kill any orcs
@@thatrabidpotato8800 remember gimli said "That still only counts as one" . Now that I think about it . He said that twice
Aragorn is above these two
After 19 years, still no movies are better than this.
When Legolas started using his long knives, instead of his signature bow, n arrow. You know the battle was getting more serious for them.
Saruman's Uruk Hai would have taken winterfell in a heartbeat
Especially if they alwould be led by Lurtz
@@kadasrichard sauron's armies and saruman's could easily conquer all of westeors in a couple of months.
@@zacharyisenbletter8944 damn now you got me thinking about how that would go down. Are the Balrogs in play??
@@leonlopez2441 Yes! but let's keep it a "little" fair for the poor bastards of westeors just one balrog cause 10 or 15 can easily destroy all of westeors in a year or less in their speed. hey if you want to make up a scenario of sauron/saurman invade westores i'm game. where should the invasion begin north of the wall or in essos?
@@zacharyisenbletter8944 i say north let the Balrog tear down the wall first
"What can man do against such reckless hate?"
You can not send your men outside castle walls and have a suicide cavalry charge for starters.
You did well Theoden! You did well!
I mean, to be fair, it was life or death either way. This way, they would go down like warriors that they are.
Dani G. Barreto at that point, they could all tell they were doomed anyway. They might as well go out on their own terns, as was the way of their people.
@@sabretoothstudios9142 also Aragorn & Gimli knew Gandalf was due to return with the Rohirrim
They were only trying to buy some more time for the cavalry to arrive. 😉
It actually makes sense and is quite historical in fact. This is what's called a "sally forth" in which defenders of a sieged fortification/city would 'sally out' of the defenses and charge in the hopes of disrupting the attack and sometimes break the siege. It happened many times throughout history and in some of them, the enemy was caught off guard and completely repelled.
"A sally, ultimately derived from Latin salīre (to jump), or "salle" sortie, is a military maneuver, typically during a siege, made by a defending force to harass isolated or vulnerable attackers before retreating to their defenses. Sallies are a common way for besieged forces to reduce the strength and preparedness of a besieging army; a sally port is therefore essentially a door in a castle or city wall, that allows troops to make sallies without compromising the defensive strength of fortifications.[1]" From Wikipedia.
If you guys look closely from 5:18 to 5:26 , you can see Arwen being the first one going up the stairs retreating.
She was originally suppose to fight in the battle for Helm's Deep but was later cut , yet you can still see her here.
I just realized all those soldiers/archers on top of the tower died since they got flanked with orcs blocking the way to the keep.
I don’t see her
Oh my goodness--she's the one with a quiver of arrows on her back that isn't Legolas, right? Of all the countless times I've seen this movie, I've never caught that!
At about 5:22, you can clearly see at least an elf, if not a few, who survived the entire battle. In the script, PJ has “all remaining elves and men” retreat to the glittering caves, leaving the Rohan Royal Guard there to ride out and eventually meet the Uruk Hai. Even before this, you see elves providing cover for retreating forces, but that’s beside the point - and before the specific scene I’m talking about. I’ve seen a few other posts discussing the last remaining elves. The best consensus is that the few survivors marched back to Lorien to take part in the Siege of Lothlorien...Must’ve been a shit journey home for the few remaining elves, who after losing much of their kin in this battle, undoubtedly had to also take part in facing an invasion of their homeland of Lothlorien soon upon their return from the battle at Helm’s Deep.
Yes, I obviously know this is separate from the book where only Legolas actually was there, but I’m just strictly going by the movie in this particular case.
Unfortunately the Weapons and Warfare book states that all the Elves died fighting to the last man. :(
The elf at the front that runs up the stairs first when the gate is breeched is Arwen. They had her at the battle then edited out but not all of her. If you look carefully when they charge out she's there too, and when they're going down the causeway she's next to Aragon on the right but they changed the colour of her hair. You can also see her just after the reinforcements clash with isen. In background dressed in red with black hair.
@@craig3768 timestamp please?
@@AllGamingStarred 5:19
@@Praetorian349 I reject that reality and substitute my own. Some of them survived and you can't change my mind.
this is what GOT wish it could be.
Грецов Алексей you are so wrong on that
@@MasterChief806 That's millions of dollars just for one episode. Even with that money, they were able to achieve amazing visuals that could easily beat any visuals Peter and his crew had back in the day when they made LotR. Yet for some reason, that's the best they can come up with?
StringStorm but actually the visuals are amazing in S8. The writing is the only problem
@@MasterChief806 if they compare themselfs with it we can too
Red Raider well if it’s 20 mill an episode, and that fight was the majority of that episode, they should have had no problem getting it to at least this quality, considering this is only a 20 min fight and is pretty old
Ah RUclips recommending me lotr battles after watching Got to remind what good writing looks like.
@sugarc0ated1 na, GOT's problems weren't the acting or cinematography. the writers are birdbrains, they are to blame.
Yeah because the heroes totally didn't have plot armor in this battle...
@@armoda1057 you know that they had 3 months to write the script for season 7 and 8 while Martin just said the the outlines and he left the to figure out how to solve one of the most complex storyline ever created while he has 11 years to finish one book and he still has finished it
@@justinespada4930 apart from plot armor, there were a shitload of things wrong with the battle of Winterfell. Stop defending trash.
Same
Legolas shoots the rope lifting the ladder and easily kills 50+ and you hear gimli that still only counts as one. I was cracking up 😂
Ikr lmaoooo😂😂 Lord of the Rings is my favorite movie
Holy crap, I never noticed that! Took me 20yrs 😂😂😂😂
@@TheBuri00 He actually said that when Legolas kill mumakil in 3rd part, this is just editet video with Gimlis audio placed in that particular moment, but I was laughing also. Uploader edited this nicely 😂
Gimli reminds me of my grandfather LOL
Wasn't in the OG movie, this guy just edited it in. If you listen closely he edits a lot of sound effects into these videos.
It was always insane to me how Jackson manages to keep the tension. Cause every few minutes there’s a scene where it appears the battle might be turning. Yet they’re all immediately followed by scenes that show that the battle is far from over and up the tension by showing the orcs maintaining the upper hand.
Peter Jackson's truly awesome at his craft.
I love how there are hundreds of orcs in front of the gate and Gimli is just "We can take them!"
The Uruk-Hai were horribly outmatched ;)
Gimli wanted to make sure he got more kills than Legolas 🤣🤣🤣
4:10 STILL ONLY COUNTS AS ONE
one kill on the tow rope is that what you mean xdddddd
He didn't say it in that situation. It has been cutted in by the uploader.
@@Radimunto We all know that xd It's just very funny to see that
Hahahaha im cryingg
Christian Lee I love how both of them have that love hate relationship lol
For those sad that Haldir (the elf died), don't worry, in the book's he doesn't die. In fact, the elves never even come to Helm's Deep in the books.
I kniw i'm late but, i'm just forgot about Haldir in book.. Film make haldir character more memorabe tbh
I’m coming from the books and was super confused lol. I actually went through the comments to find out who the fuck that was that died cause I didn’t remember reading about it in the book
agreed, it will deviate from the books, as Celeborn need a great host in their battles in Lothlorien and Mirkwood, since its fiction, wish they used/created another group of Elves that would solve any conflict of continuity in the series...
Actually... Apparently he's alive in the 3rd movie...
I really like the fact that the elves comes to help the people of Rohan, even if it doesn’t make any sense
4:02 One of the best moments in film. I remember it in the cinema, complete silence and this moment where the huge latter crashes into the crowd. Everyone was just silently "wooooow"
L A T T E R
4:03 Cursing Uruk-hai says: "F*ck you. What the hell!!!"
@@triclopsgamer5934 You noticed that as well? Finally someone else noticed that as well.
Yeh but Gimili never said "that counts as one", nice to see they've cut the toss a dwarf joke as well 🙄
@@triclopsgamer5934 no
0:16 "ARAGOOOOOOORN, FALL BACK TO THE KEEP, GET YOUR MEN OUT OF THERE."
Fantastic !
Graphics still better than most movies nowadays. Brings back childhood memories.
G: "Don't Tell the elf!"
E: "Not a word."
*Grabs and Throws*
"YEEEET!!"
Gimly: Throw me ! ( where is this sentence in this video clip ? )
@@BlackWhiteBelgrade011 yea, I noticed that immediately, aragorn says "are you sure, it's a long way" and Gimli responds "throw me...you'll have to throw me I cannot make it" and then the pause "but please don't tell the elf"
King Theoden, right in the mix, getting stabbed and hacking off arms and shit. Finally, a leader I can get behind.
Only now as an adult do I recognize how impressive the shot at 5:03 is.
tropicthunder131 I dont know if its all practical or not from the beginning of the shot till the end, but seeing how they retreat and fight at the same time while rest keep trying to fend them off and how camera follows the action perfectly. Legolas still shootin, mad man...
I'm pretty sure it switches from CGI to mostly practical effects after the causeway and the deeping wall fall out of view. It's incredible that A: the CGI blends so well with the practical effects, and B: that it still looks better than CGI battles that came out last year despite being close to 20 years old.
Agreed - amazing shot!
As a kid in 2000s I thought that scene was amazing but I didn't know why
It is, kind of look like a 4d or some type of futuristic VR movie experience.
Gimli's courage is LEGENDARY in this battle. Furius to fight on and enraged by the order to retreat to the keep, 2 elves had to pull him out of the fight.
It is comforting to hear that even elves who were killed in battles will reach the undying lands
*Bard shoots Smaug with his black arrow*
5 year old Gimli: "That only counts as one!"
Well technically that IS one
No one is going to reply that he was already in his 60s? I will... He prob wasn't chosen to go on the quest for the Lonely Mountain because in dwarven years he was too young, Fili and Kili just got in being 75 odd, Thorin being the oldest at 195 years. So if anything, he would of been more obstinate being a teenage dwarf.
@@dorayak8051 yeah that what Gimli thought in the orig line when legolas killed a "giant elephant"
@@jrbcodes but legolas also killed haradrim men there ,so its more than one .
@@dorayak8051 i remember he said that about the one with no men, no?
That clash at 4:54, when that brave boy just charges a uruk-hai with the axe...my god that possibly is one of the most powerfull scenes of the battle, that is concentrated on one-on-one fight !
Kinda felt sorry for that pheasant conscript tho.
Still pretty ballsy tho
Boy got served up like pecan pie by that Uruk😂
4:55 When level 1 fighter tries taking on level 100 warlord.
I was chewing gum while reading the comments. Your joke nearly killed me 😂
Mekiel S. He died a good man.
The level 100 Warload uses his fists against a level 1 fighter with an axe
The guy gets a massive A for effort though. If the battle was against orcs here he would have cleaved its skull in two!
Lmao
this battle was one of the best moments in cinema even to this day. a literal legendary piece of art.
Can we take one moment to realise that Theoden is a damn Badass... gets hit by a lance, taking one himself and stab that Uruk showing him how its done... a real king
17 years ago, yet 17x better than GoT
Ikr especially with all the plot armor on the heroes in this battle right?
@@justinespada4930 why are you fucking commenting the same thing everywhere? GoT and LotR had different themes, in GoT the main characters were always getting killed off so it was bullshit that they survived against impossible odds in Winterfell battle. In LotR, the main characters represent the power of good, so them surviving against all odds show that ultimately good wins against evil.
FatalPies or when Sam was literally crying in a pile of zombies and still somehow survived lol. The music was great tho.
Squad Roman Haldir literally died
The Half Brit those don’t count, just like, yet no limited to: Boromir, Gandalf the Grey (first lifetime and best), Theoden, countless Gondor Rangers/soldiers/third tier characters, and Faramir hanging on by a thread after a suicidal charge that kinda reminds me of GoT, only difference is it was pointed out to be stupid in LoTR lmao
2:59 I feel like this is a very underrated scene. It's just Gimli and Aragorn holding shit down by themselves.
yeah! I repeat that part many times. Such a badass scene
@@j0natz07 same lol
They saved the day
i know this is a fantasy movie but it really stretches the word fantasy here because no way in reality could that be done.
I love how the first thing Aragorn does after he lays down his dying buddy is straight up punch an orc in the face and kill him like what a mighty fine man
That shit was so funny never realized as a kid 😂
One of my favorite parts is gimil saying to toss him then adding just before he does "don't tell the elf" I loved the dynamic between legolas and him trying to compete by counting their number of enemies they kill here and during the battle for Minas Tirith
5:30 Gimli kills Aragorn 😂
Dead men tell no elves 😂
after so many years...i just realized he is out of arrows 0:09
its so sad to see legolas without arrows :(
White Moon ooooo
White Moon ooo
Oh. My. God.
I've watched those scenes literally over a 100 times and I never looked at his quiver.
I always thought he had a cheat for infinite ammo and just decided to play fair in that scene
Completely off topic but I love how unashamedly beautiful Haldir is. Like sure he's and elf, but the man's eyelash game is killing it while he is, well, being killed.
Best trilogy ever made..
At a scene here 1:52, when I first watched this movie, and till this day there can be no character that can beat Aragorn's character, he's such a good leader by letting his men run first, and we can clearly see him running last. Love Aragorn so much, If I was a common foot soldier in Middle Earth, I'd ride into battle any day if Aragorn is leading.
That’s exactly right……and was very carefully planned to show that. Masterful direction and choreography. Btw, that’s me from 1:51 to 2:01 as Aragorn (body double for 18mths)………all night shoot, under 10sec on screen! 😬
Every-time I see this, after all these years just hands down the best movie of all time. No movie has still reached its ranks! Love LOTR
lmao I'm 99% sure "That still only counts as one" at 4:10 was inserted from when Gimli says that in Return of the King.
Johnny Rico yes lol never noticed 😂😂😂
Johnny Rico is it was not in 2towers
Www
When the oliphant is killed. Don't remember which movie since I watched them in one sitting.
yeah, they cutout "you're going to have to toss me" at 2:53 it jumps straight to "don't tell the elf" too. It's sad because it's one of Gimli's best moments
4:09 it still only counts as one) xd
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Is it actully in the movie or this channel just add it?
@@applepie1272 the channel added it, the audio is from the battle of Minas tirith when Legolas takes down an oliphant.
Funniest part is I can see Gimli actually saying that as he’s fighting off the uruks with Aragorn 😂
When I saw it in the cinema I thought of this as a really great battle no more. But now I relize how hopeless their situasion was. And how terribly they were overrun by uruks. These movies will never be forgotten!!
Ha, this was the first time I noticed the big Uruk at 4:21 that basically grabs them both in a headlock like he's saying, 'C'mere you two!" lol
Love how Legolas just casually holding up 50-100 soldiers and probably got them all killed during the retreat at the end...
Wayyyy better than the battle of Winterfell
Joaquin Mouro lmao I’m also here for that
They should"ve hired Peter Jackson for that battle. What a waste of resources...
I agree. I had super high expectations for battle of Winterfell because of all that hype and comparison to LOTR's battle. @@milanmartinjuk
So much jealous people on got
The scale and strategy just far more superior
It's dark, the enemy is wearing dark armor, their skin is almost black too, it was even raining in the beginning and yet you can see everything perfect. You hyped us by saying it would be better than this LOTR masterpiece. Pffff u failed us all
It could have been a Full moon
@@isabellethedragy8248 lmao what? 😂It doesn't matter at all.
You can make the scene in way that fans can see what is actually happening
@@bait5257 but if you look at it like this, If it werent fantasy and wasnt a movie it would have been the torches and Full moon, do you know how bright it is When there is a full moon? I mean it is very bright, you can see your Shadow perfectly
Always feel sorry for that poor Rohan soldier/peasant at @4:56 , swings his axe screaming, uruk catches it, head butts him throws him against the wall and punches him in the face with metal fist, and baring in mind it's most likely cold at night and his face wet from rain would make it all the more painful :(
It’s hilarious though
I'll say! the way he staggers back from the headbutt, wobbling like a rubber doll lol
ArnoldTohtFan hahahahah lmao exactly can’t stop laughing
I always thought how brutal that was and how terrifying it would be to be conscripted to fight these beasts for survival
That head wobbling is severe brain trauma ...not very funny when you think of it that way
LOL I love how Gimli said “THEY ONLY COUNT AS 1” @ 4:10 when Legolas knocked the ladder down wiping out like a 100 of the orcs 😂
"Don't tell the elf! -Not a word."
Priorities are important.
The death of haldir is so sad, especially if you have read the books, it's a character way more develloped in the books but his treatment on jackson's saga is still awesome !
Oh by the way, everyone knows that Lotr is better than GoT
Definitely better than the last season of GoT. But let’s not totally discount the first six seasons of GoT. I’ll always at least treasure the first six seasons. The seventh season is where it started its downward spiral.
LotR is best movie ever of course its better than some shit show
Two things I just noticed while watching this video:
1. At 3:52 there are a handful of Elves on the walls with the Rohirrim.
2. At the same time, there are also Uruk-hai on the walls before the ladders get on. The Uruk-hai are actually leaking through from the breach in the Deeping wall from the side.
Well, yeah, there's elves, a good number of them are seen retreating when Theoden and Aragorn give the order.
In this battle you can really tell Aragorn is of Numénorien descent - throwing Gimli fully armored, the ladder plunge, one arm hold of that rope with the dwarf on the other are all feats of strengh beyond any man I'd say.
Maybe peak human
Half Elf half men, Legolas easily pulling them both
just love legolas' expression when he pulls both of his knives out. so much spirit, disgust and anger towards that evil.
the shot at 4:48 is fantastic , you can see defenders packed shoulder to shoulder on every available section of wall giving it their all.
And they all died cuz at 5:22 they all got flanked by the orcs before they could retreat to the keep
@@casshernsins8333i blame legolas for their deaths. The ones in the lower walls could’ve made it if legolas didnt stall theem to shoot arrows at the uruk-hai
I gotta admit, those Orcs were fearless badasses.
URUK HAIS!
They were unexperienced
5:16 Uncut Arwen Footage
Look at the top right of the shot. You'll see someone in a black and red dress with a quiver on her back looking around before making her way up the stairs. Aragorn follows closely behind and blocks an Uruk's swing that looks like he was aiming for her. She ends up being the first person to go all the way up the stairs and out of the shot.
There are other shots in the daytime scene where you can barely see her red dress on her white horse behind Theoden's as they ride out of the keep, but it always cuts before showing her face. And, of course, there's the brief shot of her fighting on horseback where Eomer rides into the shot.
Man, I really wish we got to see the original cut where Arwen kicks ass before Peter Jackson edited her out.
love the guy waving his axe on the battlements for whatever reason at 5:06
Or the guy on the right with the spear a few seconds later, seemingly trying to kill a spider or something.
I know this is old af but are we not gonna talk about the Uruk sapper checking the equipment by smacking the shit out of it to make sure it’s good at 3:24 lmfaoo
1:53 I always loved how the uruks were HOT on their heels chasing em right up the stairs like the monsters you imagined in your childhood lol
As a kid watching this trilogy for the first time, Boromir's and Haldir's deaths rocked me. They still do.
Yeah kinda sad that Haldir dies in the battle
4:54 this uruk-hai went full badass mode
True warrior!
Served that boy up like coconut cream pie😂
One of the best movies ever made. My how far Hollywood has fallen. Such a shame a quality film like this is few and far between in these dark times
Aragorn and Gimli synchronization on a rotative fight posture is a delight to see.
Aragorn is such a bro when he still rushed to Haldir when he succumbed to his final moments..
Btw.. I like the part at the end you can see Legolas still shooting arrows while retreating! Kinda awesome dedication from Orlando Bloom..
Aragorn is the most baddass character in any movie in my opinion
legolas is my favorite
Best. Damn. Movie. Trilogy
The added “that only counts as one!” 😂
5:18 In the top right corner you can actually see Arwen entering the keep.
This is due to the fact that she was originally planned to come to Aragorns aid and fight alongside the elves at helms deep.
U'r right. Nicely checked 👍
I just laugh that after Legolas knock off a ladder full of Uruk-hai, Gimili yelled "That only counts as one!" is hilarious
The "Gimli Killing Aragorn Edit" at the end had me in stitches for ages. Well done.
2:18 is that an uruk hai helmet on the left?? what the hell :D he decided to fight for rohan!?
Lmao that must be a mistake
I have a theory for that. Rohan had conscripted children and old men into their army. Due to the shortage of weapons and armor some people had to wear Uruk helmets they had looted earlier.
If you look closely, his helmet faces away from the rest of Uruk-hai. So how he managed to survive that long being surrounded by a dozen guys is probably a mistake.
Some uruks managed to slip through im guessing this one pvps a lot to last that long surrounded xD
You can see him getting in at 2:03
Sees 1273658382891+ Uruk-hai trying to break through the gate at 2:50 and Gimli’s first thought is “we can take them!” 😂
Gotta respect Aragorn being the last man up the stairs, shows a tried and true commander.
ths small edits such as the WWE "watch out, watch out!" in the previous part and the "still only counts as one" as legolas takes out the siege ladder is good as gold lmao
I love how legolas still firing arrows even though they are retreating
still better than GoT...
I thought the battle against Night King will beat this, but it seems no.....
To be fair, nothing is better than The Lord of the Rings
Lord of the Rings should have been a series like GOT.Because there are a lot of great things from the books which are missing in the movies.
@@Jim-fi4dc They are making a series. We will see what would be better.
LOTR is a movie GOT is a tv show. Of course LOTR is better but comparing them is not fair.
2:47, always loved this moment from Gimli
“Nobody tosses the dwarf.”
“Toss me.” :D
For all these years watching this film I thought Gimli said "Don't tell me off" before Aragorn tosses him, just realised he's saying "don't tell the elf" 😂
Absolutely love this whole thing. Arguably the greatest battle sequence on film.
Hama, Rest in Peace.
Haldir, Rest in Peace.
All Fallen Rohirrim, Rest in Peace.
All Fallen Elves, Rest in Peace.
That close courters battle for the half way broken gate is intense and brutal, pretty much how i imagine a battle for an almost breached gate would play out :D
One of the best movies ever made! Peter Jackson is a genius! 💯
Peter Jackson you are the MAN!! this was spectacular!!
They did so right that “Not a word” tells you there friendship right there
Incredible, a battle taking place at night but I can see every detail!
Amazing sequence, probably the best battle of the trilogy. It really is a story within a story.
" DON'T TELL THE ELF " IS ONE OF MY FAVORITES
The Battle of Balls Deep.
Japan
I saw all three LotR movies in theatres. I have never experienced the same thing again. The music and battles, especially this one, was so mind-blowing and incredible I just hoped it never would end.
5:03 damn that shot is incredible.