Came back to this video after hearing of Bernard Hill's passing. Helm's Deep and Pellennor Fields are two of the best scenes in movie history, and Bernard Hill's performance was a huge part of that. Rest in peace, Theoden King.
That's because they had the best series of fantasy books ever written as a source, and a director that actively fought to maintain the original author's vision. Directors now take far too many creative liberties in film, and are more concerned with THEIR vision than what was originally intended, the humility and restraint shown in making the Trilogy is what makes it great.
Older TV shows are beating the hell out of modern shows as they come from a time when quality mattered so the same is likely true with movies, one thing for sure people are abandoning Disney and don't trust them anymore
You gave a wonderful performance as King Theoden, Bernard Hill. Thank you for the amazing memories. May you rest in power and condolences to your friends and family.
+MKECBS1 he was on time because he was late I bet the orc leaders were on the watch for reinforcements early. the surprise attack worked because they were unprepared
+LordDragul Smitty (iamLordDragul17) id put more money on him waiting until morning so that the sun was right behind them. otherwise you launch a downhill cavalry charge into prepared and braced pike phalanxes... and thats how you die.
Fun Fact (or potentially just fanon, reader, you decide. I am now not sure.): That enormous horn built into the tower, the Horn of Helm Hammerhand, is not just a signal. It's actually a dwarven-made WEAPON, a gift of friendship from the Dwarves. When sounded the loud Horn echoes off the walls of the Deeping Coomb and the mountains around it, continuously bombarding anyone in the valley with reverberating sound at what I'd guess is about 140-160 decibels for as long as the blower keeps blowing, while the thick walls and placement of the Horn and the fortress baffles the sound and protects the defenders from it. This is why none of the orcs siezed onto the riders or attacked as they charged... They were in pain and disoriented from Gimli sounding the Horn full volume and literally couldn't SEE the riders. Pay attention and you notice the Horn stopped sounding as Theoden and Aragorn entered the valley. This is also why Gimli was giddy with glee and sprinted up the tower to be the one to sound it. The Horn of Helm Hammerhand is a one of a kind dwarven masterwork weapon that cannot be replicated because it relies on the acoustics of the valley as much as engineering, and any dwarf would shave their beard for a chance to use it!
@@explosves Because the placement and walls of the fortress are designed to protect the people inside it by breaking up and baffling the sound... the sound's effect is vastly reduced inside the deeping coomb because the echoes don't bounce into there effectively, and just to be safe they bring people into the keep before blowing the horn for extra protection from it. Not only that, but if you're paying attention, by the time of the charge the blowing had stopped.
@@explosves "continuously bombarding anyone in the valley with reverberating sound at what I'd guess is about 140-160 decibels for as long as the blower keeps blowing" and "Pay attention and you notice the Horn stopped sounding as Theoden and Aragorn entered the valley."
Here in 2024 on a sad day. May 5th, RIP Bernard Hill. You shall be missed. Thank you for being a part of this, no one else can play Theoden King. Rest in peace Bernerd Hill. Hail the Victorious Dead!!
"Theoden's Speech" - 200+ to all stats - Increases healing received by 5000% - Increases party attack rating by 5000% - Extremly decreases the cooldown of all skills - Greatly increases damage
I just thought about how encouraging it must have been for Eomer's force to hear the Horn of Helm Hammerhand, and to know the Hornburg was yet to fall.
I can fully imagine Eomer and his forces riding up to Helm's Deep as quickly as they can. As the sun rises, they begin wondering if they're too late, if the Hornburg has fallen and Theoden and all their people are now dead at the hands of the Uruk, wondering if its still worth it to press on. Then, as their pace slows, as they begin to fear the worst, giving into the despair that all they love is now gone, they hear a loud, earth shattering horn. A horn unmistakable to all true sons of Rohan. The Horn of Helmhammerhand sounds as loud as ever. With that, they realize that their King lives, that Rohan still stands, that the Hornbug is yet to be breached, and that hope still exists. With renewed purpose, they all rush forward as quickly as they can, riding harder than any of them has ridden. Then, as they reach the top of the hill and look down into the vast army of Uruks before them, they see him. King Theoden with his royal guard charging out to meet the enemy one last time. They see that all is not lost. That there is still hope. And so they charge down with fury and fervour. Charge down for their home, their families, their King.
3:57 I remember seeing this the first time and thought "man, there is no topping this scene ever!" And then the Battle of Pelenor Fields came out in Return of the King
I think pelenor fields is partly so meaningful because of this moment. In these moments we're watching theoden in the pit of despair. He's climbed out of depression, seemingly for nothing. His son is dead, and he can't even save his people. Then a fellow king talks him into one last fatalistic charge. And theoden decides that he would rather meet death with courage than fading away. And his courage is rewarded: his estranged nephew, something like his second son, who he had sent away in the darkness of his cravenness, returns to him. It shows him that there IS something to fight for, that his nephew and niece will carry on his legacy, that he can fight for the next generation. That even in the face of absolute annihilation, his courage and faith are meaningful. And then, at pelenor fields, he has his own courage. He doesn't need talking into anything. He leads at the front, proud and assured, and ready to meet whatever end faces him.
I always liked that Gandalf's magic was never flashy or overt. He doesn't shoot fireballs or lasers, he just brings down _light_ to scatter his foes. It makes the magic feel more abstract and special.
Thats by design. The Valar tried it the way of overwhelming power. Morgoth was defeated sure but it came at the cost of a ruin of an entire continent. His job is to inspire the races of middle earth to defeat Sauron themselves, not smite Sauron and his forces with divine power (though he is capable) Thats why I like how they handled Gandalf vs Balrog. One of the only displays of truly divine power and its used AFTER he has allowed the Fellowship to safely flee. At that point he is no longer holding back and trying to help them. Its just an Ainur grudge match for old times sake.
You know Theoden is a badass when Aragorn asks him to ride out with him, and he immediately steps forward and says "for death and glory", and when Aragorn says "for Rohan, for your people", he was 100% on board as soon as he heard it. Dude was the kind of king I'd be proud to fight for.
i was rewatching and noticed something: you see theoden was hopeless and i dare say even aragons took that battle as defeated, and then, suddenly they have a change of heart, to go face the enemy, i believe it was because gandalf was close enough so his ring of power, Naya, rekindle their hope and lit their courage
I just love the moment when Aragorn calls ''Ride out and meet them'', Theoden's eyes glitter a moment, saying ''For death and glory'', but Aragorn kinda corrects him with ''For Rohan, for your people!''
It's strange to realize that while it looks like a fiery younger Aragorn rekindling Theoden of his warrior's spirit, Aragorn is actually decades older than Theoden (as a person of Numenorean blood, he ages more slowly than normal humans) and Theoden knew the adult Aragorn when Theoden was a child. Aragorn is the wise elder reminding his once-pupil of the traditions of the Riders of Rohan.
Its so heartbreaking when Theoden says "so much death..." his tone and facial expressions perfectly convey his loss of courage, and Aragorn with no other option is forced to find his, in doing so returns Theodens. One must remember they we're different to Gondorians and a true testament to Theoden having the heart of a king.
Different from Eleves or Numenorians (the greatest race of men in the history of Middle Earth). This scene is deep when you consider that Theoden probably felt like all off humanity was doomed.
Theoden had been systematically reduced to a hopeless, depressed shell of himself. It wouldn't be realistic for him not to revert to that to some degree under stress at this point. But having found his courage once, he finds it again soon enough.
I love how Jackson uses the flag of Rohan here so effectively. A stunning close shot, adding a rare splash of color to the frame, and then a wide shot of it flying defiantly over the Orc horde- A singular symbol of man's indomitable spirit.
@@TheLuisaco correct me if i’m wrong, but don’t the books emphasize Aragorn’s rightful place as the High King of Gondor and Arnor? Of course, in the books, there are more mythos and details regarding Aragorn’s claim to the throne, so I guess you could say he had “more to prove” in the books than was shown in the movies, but didn’t Aragorn’s healing abilities, humility, and servant-leadership-style solidify him as the true High King in the eyes of the people even more? Again, correct me if I’m wrong, I read the books over half a decade ago haha
@@kikihohohaha Yes, they do, but the complexity of Gondor line of succession is, in my opinion, a bit simplified in the main books compared with the rest of the lore they give you in appendices and other books. Just think Gondor citizens barely knew Aragorn until late War of the Ring and it would have not being the first time they would have rejected the rightful claim of the heir of Gondor like they did for example with Arvedui of Arnor. Its quite complex because if it would have been just a matter of having the right to claim the throne, there were many chieftain of the Dunedain before Aragorn who had the same right than him to rule Gondor, but no one came to claim it because, in my opinion, they knew how hard it was.
I love blowing the horn because it would signal to Eomer and his cavalry that Helm's Deep was still there and still fighting to inspire them to get there even faster.
One of the most epic moments in the whole trilogy when Theoden says to Aragorn, “let this be the hour when we draw swords together.” They thought this was their last charge and that these were the last two kings of men. Legendary.
0:59 me and my friend while we're loading my shotgun and his ar 10 when antifa is outside breaking my door down This actually happened in Detroit while we were staying there
@@shawne02 Nice, how many did you take down? Good job if you only scared them though with warning shots. Make those little punks sh*t their pants in fear.
Those are too different. Even the nature of evil is different In Lotr, evil is power, brutality and tyranny, grand armies In Asoiaf, it's cold, winter, slow end of all life, natural forces The battles against each had to be different. I was let down by the battle of Winterfell, but they were right to make this more gritty and "down to the mud"
When Gimli says 'the sun is rising' and the music shifts, that's when the goosebumps really come out. So many amazing lines in such a short period of time. God this is one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema.
Viggo gets most of the attention for being a last minute addition to the cast and being the absolute Chad he is, but fuck me rigid if Bernard Hill couldn't get someone hyped to charge, fearlessly, to their death.
@@widexawake_ That is one of the reasons he is my favorite of the series. The character development was incredible and Bernard absolutely nailed every aspect from the broken down, possessed Theoden to the heroic Theoden who lead the Battle of Pelinor Fields even at the cost of his own life.
That moment when Theoden transformed from self-doubting wasted king to a badass. His speech at pelennor was more epic like he regained his confidence after this victory.
in the books however he was very determined. ‘The end will not be long,’ said the king. ‘But I will notend here, taken like an old badger in a trap. Snowmane andHasufel and the horses of my guard are in the inner court.When dawn comes, I will bid men sound Helm’s horn, andI will ride forth. Will you ride with me then, son of Arathorn?Maybe we shall cleave a road, or make such an end as willbe worth a song - if any be left to sing of us hereafter.’‘I will ride with you,’ said Aragorn. he has a transformation from weak to strong and kingly after Grima is casted out. I think both scenarios are interesting, what was done with the character in the movies describes the character of Theoden consistently. I encourage you to read the chapter of the helms deep if not the entire trilogy, that chapter is exhilarating
I watch this whenever I'm facing a tough time, to "ride out and meet them". Meet is a word without anger or fear. About Facing life as it comes. Theoden: "For death and glory.", Aragorn: "For Rohan. For your people" -- Here Aragorn re-affirms the ultimate goal, it's not about selfish "glory", the bigger picture is "your people". Incredible message.
This comment nailed it. It was so much better than anything that preceded it.......and pretty much everything after. Definitely a movie made for a big screen.
Actully i only had the pleasure of watching Return of the King in a cinema and i was very young. It'll be pleasure to hear you share in specifics what the energy and reactions in the theater were when you watched the first two and third movies!
@@SkPuzzle Oh man, up to this point of the film there was so much tension in the theaters. Total silence. Peter Jackson built up the emotion so well. I was only 11 or 12 and I was there with my grandpa and my cousin. I had never read the books. I'd seen the first film and saw Boromir die, so I figured any character was fair game. It appeared as though Theoden and the fellowship heroes were about to meet their end with this film..That the battle was certainly lost. I was blown away when the rohirrim and gandalf appeared. Honestly I'd forgotten about them, and the quiet theater was suddenly cheering. You could just FEEL the relief wash over the audience. Intertwined brilliantly with scenes of the ents DESTROYING Sarumon's orc workshop. Up until that point everything seemed so hopeless! Honestly indescribable experience. Afterwards, my cousin and I gushed about the film and he told me he was so happy when the ent who caught on fire doused his head in the rivers, hahaha. Just a little gem appreciated by a kid. Anyway, I know this experience was a little personal but thanks for letting me share.
This film gave me the best cinema experience of my life. I was in my early 20’s and went to a midnight showing for both this and ROTK. I’ll never forget the sold-out audience losing their collective shit when Gandalf appeared on the ridge, and then losing it even more when Éomer appeared beside him. People were literally out of their seats and the emotional energy was palpable. I have never heard a movie audience roar like that before and I know I never will again. The memory still gives me goosebumps.
fuck bro don’t forget when Frodo threw Gollum down that abyss. the whole theatre started clapping when that happened. i was only a kid when i saw them in theaters but they were so memorable they all stuck with me until now (24 years old). listen to this, just before the battle of Helms Deep kicked off, the bloody film broke!!! we had to go back and watch it the next day (free of charge of course).
@@Dustyholes yup, that and the mass audience roar when Sam stepped into the frame while Shelob was wrapping Frodo up! We were damn lucky to see these films in the theaters when first released, weren't we?
I remember watching this with my dad aunt uncle Mom basically all the adults I knew were Into it and went. Sadly I don’t remember much tho of my theatrical viewing on Two towers tho. I do remember being scared by the swamp scene and that the theater was so packed people were sitting in and on the stairs for the whole three hour movie. I was 6 at the time. Can’t imagine if I was mid 20s like you were in your awesome story and like I am now, that would’ve been so cool!
Tremendously badass, we were gushing like crazy afterwards. As awesome as modern home theater setups can be there is something special about being in a movie theater.
I was on the first run of the first day. I had to wait more than 2 hours in line but it was awesome! Me and my friends from high school skipped school for this! I was 17 at that time. I will not deny that I was moved by the charge led by Gandalf and Eomer. It was beautiful and I truly had to hold my tears of joy to avoid being called a fanboy nerd or whatever. It was worth it!
I saw this movie twice in the cinema and it was the only time i've ever seen a movie twice in the cinema at that and i'm 24. Might break that record with the Guardians of the Galaxy though ;)
Yes, man, i was there, and i can tell to you like a veteran, like a survivor, i was there twice, and the first time was an amazing cinema experience, everything was stressing my body and my mind, and during the helm's battle (the owner of the big movie theatre was my friend) i ran away from the theatre and i went to the little bar just beside the cash screaming: "fucking shit! it's a hell inside! please, give to me coke, chocolade and pop corn, or i won't survive! quick!".
This is why i love these movies more than GOT. Love that show, but these movies didnt need sex or over the top gore to reach an audience.Just great acting, memorable dialogue, amazing musical pieces and raw emotion. Ive grown invested in GOT, but I was never more invested in any movie or tv show as i was sitting in theaters watching these movies.
Plus, GoT was so cynical and nihilistic, there was no heroism in the characters, and no ideal to fight for. Everyone was just a backstabber and a political opportunist. There was a point when I didn't even care if the Night King wiped them all out. But LotR was a heroic story with an ideal worth dying for.
I love A Song of Ice and Fire, I maintain that I doubt many of the scenarios that D&D put forth in the show are going to come pass no matter what they say (how does Stannis burn his daughter from hundreds of miles away? In a snowstorm?) and some they've all but admitted won't happen (like them saying they had Arya kill the Night King instead of Dany or Jon, the characters that would actually make sense, because it was reportedly 'cooler' that way (We're not idiots. Who ever kills the Night King in the books is Azor Ahai, they choose Arya to randomly do it because it let's them conveniently dodge the question for the show, not alienating the fans of the other character and have there be no Prince That Was Promised.)) Game of Thrones didn't have the soul Lord of the Rings had, A Song of Ice and Fire doesn't have the soul that Lord of the Rings had. Every part of Lord of the Rings, which equally condemns war as a horrible thing as it exalts those who enter that war knowing that, came from the heart and soul of Tolkien. From a man who saw the horrors of World War I on the most personal experience at the Somme, the bloodiest battle of the war where at least one of his University friends died, and saw two of his sons go off into the Second War. At the risk of armchair psychoanalyzing a man that was frankly a greater person than I will ever be, I think in some ways, Lord of the Rings was his equivalent to All Quiet on the Western Front. It let him, in some way, talk about the horror he witnessed, about the equal parts pride and fear that any parent would feel seeing their kids enter a war. Especially a war that was the follow-up to what had been called the War to End All Wars. George RR Martin is a good writer, hell, he's a great writer and if you were disappointed with GoT, I'd suggest reading aSoIaF... but I think it says something that George was a contientous objector (not that there's anything wrong with that. He has made it clear on numerous occasions that despite his books being grim, he's still very anti-war and maintains that he believes the Vietnam war was a terrible mistake, and there is an equal amount of bravery in standing up and saying that you don't support something). And we can never say that he wouldn't have come out of Vietnam and still written aSoIaF, but Lord of the Rings is undeniably a happier story than A Song of Ice and Fire, and I think a lot of that has to do with the hell Tolkien went through in his youth. He wanted to tell an old type of story, a story like Beowulf or Le Mort De Arthur. And I think that's the best reason claiming that they would top Helm's Deep was a bad idea. Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones are both fantasy yes, but Fantasy is still a broad, BROAD topic. What works in one fantasy story doesn't work in another. We go into Lord of the Rings, and while they might fake us out here and there, we don't expect death around every turn. Game of Thrones forged itself on a mountain of death, it told us no character was safe, that they could and would die at the drop of a hat. And in a genre that had grown stagnant in attempts to clone LotR, of course that got people's attention. But then they changed the rules, suddenly the only casualties in the biggest, hardest fought battle are the BBEG, a suicide after the fact and a little girl? We feel cheated, because what we were told wasn't true, every character suddenly had plot armor.
That show is drama for the sake of drama. Oversexed, torture porn which makes people tune in. Just like the new media. I just could not get into so much negativity that show put out.
The usage of sunlight by Gandalf is actually a very important theme to his character. When he was captured by the forces of Sauron in the Hobbit he was intentionally brought to a cloudy place with little sunlight to weaken his power. Gandalf "the grey" represented a version of him that did not generate light but could still shine it if it was provided. Whereas Gandalf "the white" represents the transformed version of the same force that could not only shine light but also generate it. He is far more powerful than his previous self. That's the only major flaw in the cinema version of Gandalf. They didn't do justice to the difference between Gandalf the grey and Gandalf the white.
"What can men do against such reckless hate?" "Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them." This scene is the very SPIRIT of the words 'do not go gentle into that good night.' If the men of Rohan would die, they would rather die with axe, sword, and spear in hand, atop a pile of fallen foes.
Great lesson for life in general, not only war. Life will try to break you- even if you are dommed to fail- try to break it in return. At the very least, you will feel satisfaction of trying, of giving your foe fewnew scars, rather than cowering in the corner, waiting for the sword to swing down...
men were REAL men in the days gone by....i know LOTR is a fiction but the spirit and courage are very REAL and reminicent of REAL battle. sadly we live in a world controlled by a few and the power they have amassed through technology/weaponry prevents any kind of revolutionary war like the ones of the past! i fear the future for this reason...
@@gerbear3227 That's because Tolkien was an officer in World War 1, and was fresh from the trenches of Verdun, I believe, when he began writing LOTR. The Dead Marshes were inspired by a real battlefield he was at, where the rain had flooded the field after a major offensive and all the corpses were just under the surface of the water.
+William Manning it is not, if I'm not mistaken in the books they say a Valar (not sure wich) helps the rohirrim riders by making the horses "float" just above the ground
+xBucefallusx Don't each of the Maiar "work for" specific Valar? And according to Wikipedia, Gandalf's is Manwe, the lord of "air, wind, and clouds", so that would fit.
Okay, it's weird, I've seen this film many times in my life, too many realistically. But for the love of all that is holy, if Theoden realising death is more than likely going to be the ending of the day, to ride out with Aragorn, the music, the power behind the 'YES', it still gives me goosebumps. Just what an amazing trilogy of films we got, should never take them for granted.
Shit man, the same thing happened to me, I was in the cinema and I almost stood up but then my brain remembered I was in the cinema and not just a few yards away from crashing into the front ranks of the orcs.
What? Thats all Theoden is thinking about, the whole reason hes distressed is because hes got to defend his people and in this moment he seems to be failing.
You do know that ‘movie’ is a general term and you can’t just change the definition or the things it represents right? It’s like saying goldfish shouldn’t be call fish because that would be comparing them to sharks.
@@gastonlanteri1147 -- I saw both in theater, two towers in 2002 and return of the King in 2003. Pelenor fields charge was epic of course, but honestly it didn't top this. The shot overhead of gandalf and the rohirrim as they charge down the hill was genuinely jaw dropping in the cinema. It stunned everyone. I don't recall seeing anything like that on screen before that. Even now when I watch back almost 20 years later I get chills for those couple of seconds because they were burned into my memory.
+Salafoudele Coco Personally I thought the Hobbit was pretty good, not as good as LOTR, (You can't beat prefection so you can't blame it for not being as good), but still pretty good.
@lightning warrior I think that the hobbit unexpected journey was really really good, and the desolation of smaug was pretty mixed, and battle of five armies was just too much
I still can not believe how is this possible for human to write such a trillogy, i am speechless every time im watching it with tears in my eyes , such a masterpiece which will never be recreated
TO be fair in some parts of the battle of the bastards, it is clear their budget surpassed LOTR; if you think of how much budget was used on how little of a scene, as the battle of the bastards had an insane amount of actors, and so much both makeup and otherwise use of mannequins involved, including over 200 real horses. This doesn't even come close, but LOTR is in many ways far more epic.
TO be fair in some parts of the battle of the bastards, it is clear their budget surpassed LOTR; if you think of how much budget was used on how little of a scene, as the battle of the bastards had an insane amount of actors, and so much both makeup and otherwise use of mannequins involved, including over 200 real horses. This doesn't even come close, but LOTR is in many ways far more epic.
mrdrebin123 I completely agree. This is just one moment. Comparisons are meaningless. Although between them and 16 years, but the battle in the LOTR yavlyaeyutsya most ambitious and epic battles in the history of cinema. If you want - is the pinnacle of .Luchshe nobody could pass. And read how much was spent on materials trilogy. Chromakeying there were far fewer than in modern cinema. ps : I'm from Russia. The bear, vodka, balalaika, Putin .Well, and the world famous "syka blyat" :))
Eomer had been in self-imposed exile. Because his king no longer recognized friend ... or kin. Those loyal to Theoden "rode north" until Gandalf brought them back .. on the 5th day. So freaking epic.
I haven't yet seen this remarked before (though I am sure I am not the first to think or say this), but Bernard Hill (Theoden) really is a master of the art: when Aragorn is discussing the women's escape from the caves with Gamling and they do the closeup of Theoden in despair, he *really* looks like someone with the infamous 'thousand yard stare,' simply having seen too much to cope (momentarily). Then when Aragorn tells him to 'ride out' with him, you can just see him change his entire demeanour. It's a small thing, and I am sure some might think this is what a good actor is supposed to do and I agree... But to do it this well is just astonishing. I am sure those among us that have looked at nothing like that themselves one time or another can relate. Truly magnificent acting.
Fully agreed. It's like Theodens flame rekindled after Aragorn said to ride out and meet them. One last purpose, and not going quietely into the night.
And the yet one more change in his demeanor when Aragorn responds "For Rohan. For your people" - the full weight of kingship falls on him again, but this time he has the strength to carry it.
Nothing has ever come close to the emotions and tension of this whole battle in cinema since in my opinion. Then the acting and script is on point too. Brilliant
Of all the cavalry charges in these movies, I'd rate this one second. 1. Pelennor Fields 2. Helm's Deep 3. Warg Attack 4. Mûmakil Charge 5. Faramir's Sacrifice 6. Ambush at Fangorn ... Man, PJ sure loves a good cavalry charge...
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Came back to this video after hearing of Bernard Hill's passing. Helm's Deep and Pellennor Fields are two of the best scenes in movie history, and Bernard Hill's performance was a huge part of that. Rest in peace, Theoden King.
“I go to my fathers. In whose mighty company I shall not now be ashamed.”
I came back for the line " What can men do against such reckless hate?". I dunno, really resonates.
You could at least get his name right. It’s Hill. Not Hall.
@@TJSaw Ack, corrected, my bad
He went to his father's, in who's mighty company he will never feel ashamed
Gimli's lung capacity really doesn't get the credit it deserves.
+rg03500 "I finally get a chance to use that tuba performance degree from the Dwarven Music Conservatory! Hell yes!"
+Christian Thomas lmao
Christian Thomas HAHAHAHA FUCK
Good set of Dwarven bellows.
Christian Thomas HAHHAHHAHAHAHJAHAHHQHQQHHQHAHAH
I don't think a greater trilogy will ever be told. Film wise, 20 years later this movie still holds up and burns brighter than most modern films.
I wish the would regulary show it in cinemas around winter. Not these 730 Minute Binge sessions.
This trilogy is a rite of passage .
Courage , bravery , and hope .
Good believing they have the power to vanquish evil . . . Despite all odds .
That's because they had the best series of fantasy books ever written as a source, and a director that actively fought to maintain the original author's vision. Directors now take far too many creative liberties in film, and are more concerned with THEIR vision than what was originally intended, the humility and restraint shown in making the Trilogy is what makes it great.
Older TV shows are beating the hell out of modern shows as they come from a time when quality mattered so the same is likely true with movies, one thing for sure people are abandoning Disney and don't trust them anymore
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You gave a wonderful performance as King Theoden, Bernard Hill. Thank you for the amazing memories.
May you rest in power and condolences to your friends and family.
He was a great marine
Some rich random guy dies and suddenly every american moron starts to cry 😂 dont pretend you are rightous people
A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.
+MKECBS1 he was on time because he was late I bet the orc leaders were on the watch for reinforcements early. the surprise attack worked because they were unprepared
+LordDragul Smitty (iamLordDragul17) id put more money on him waiting until morning so that the sun was right behind them. otherwise you launch a downhill cavalry charge into prepared and braced pike phalanxes... and thats how you die.
+Nathan Robinson like I said he was on time because he was late
+MKECBS1 if he came a little early then all the orcs could stop the charge, it was about the sunrise not the men.
+Albino Spaz means to* ftfy
Fun Fact (or potentially just fanon, reader, you decide. I am now not sure.): That enormous horn built into the tower, the Horn of Helm Hammerhand, is not just a signal. It's actually a dwarven-made WEAPON, a gift of friendship from the Dwarves.
When sounded the loud Horn echoes off the walls of the Deeping Coomb and the mountains around it, continuously bombarding anyone in the valley with reverberating sound at what I'd guess is about 140-160 decibels for as long as the blower keeps blowing, while the thick walls and placement of the Horn and the fortress baffles the sound and protects the defenders from it.
This is why none of the orcs siezed onto the riders or attacked as they charged... They were in pain and disoriented from Gimli sounding the Horn full volume and literally couldn't SEE the riders. Pay attention and you notice the Horn stopped sounding as Theoden and Aragorn entered the valley.
This is also why Gimli was giddy with glee and sprinted up the tower to be the one to sound it. The Horn of Helm Hammerhand is a one of a kind dwarven masterwork weapon that cannot be replicated because it relies on the acoustics of the valley as much as engineering, and any dwarf would shave their beard for a chance to use it!
Thank you knowledgeable one
Lotr lore goes so deep
@@explosves Because the placement and walls of the fortress are designed to protect the people inside it by breaking up and baffling the sound... the sound's effect is vastly reduced inside the deeping coomb because the echoes don't bounce into there effectively, and just to be safe they bring people into the keep before blowing the horn for extra protection from it.
Not only that, but if you're paying attention, by the time of the charge the blowing had stopped.
@@explosves "continuously bombarding anyone in the valley with reverberating sound at what I'd guess is about 140-160 decibels for as long as the blower keeps blowing" and "Pay attention and you notice the Horn stopped sounding as Theoden and Aragorn entered the valley."
Sounds like someone should have been working round the clock horn duty.
It’s mind boggling that a movie can be this good.
Well we won’t get something like this again so cherish it!!
it doesnt even add up. is it even real
Even 20 years after release these films still hold up
I watch them once a year. Best movies ever done
Here in 2024 on a sad day. May 5th, RIP Bernard Hill. You shall be missed. Thank you for being a part of this, no one else can play Theoden King. Rest in peace Bernerd Hill.
Hail the Victorious Dead!!
There is no way you'd lose a battle after Theoden's speech.
It was Aragorn’s speech
There is. That's what makes this speech so good. They fully expect to die, but they'll die on their feet regardless.
"Theoden's Speech"
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BlessedWarrior my favorite comment, made me wanna play some total war
@@burnwankenobi803 Haha I'm glad you enjoyed it lol go play it man!!
I just thought about how encouraging it must have been for Eomer's force to hear the Horn of Helm Hammerhand, and to know the Hornburg was yet to fall.
Vlad the Impaler Holy shit I never thought of that.
These men had no idea if anyone was still alive, that’s some pretty deep stuff
Holy shit this gave me goosebumps
Holy shit
suhail ahmed same. One hell of an observation.
I can fully imagine Eomer and his forces riding up to Helm's Deep as quickly as they can. As the sun rises, they begin wondering if they're too late, if the Hornburg has fallen and Theoden and all their people are now dead at the hands of the Uruk, wondering if its still worth it to press on. Then, as their pace slows, as they begin to fear the worst, giving into the despair that all they love is now gone, they hear a loud, earth shattering horn. A horn unmistakable to all true sons of Rohan. The Horn of Helmhammerhand sounds as loud as ever. With that, they realize that their King lives, that Rohan still stands, that the Hornbug is yet to be breached, and that hope still exists. With renewed purpose, they all rush forward as quickly as they can, riding harder than any of them has ridden. Then, as they reach the top of the hill and look down into the vast army of Uruks before them, they see him. King Theoden with his royal guard charging out to meet the enemy one last time. They see that all is not lost. That there is still hope. And so they charge down with fury and fervour. Charge down for their home, their families, their King.
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It’s the lad himself
3:57 I remember seeing this the first time and thought "man, there is no topping this scene ever!"
And then the Battle of Pelenor Fields came out in Return of the King
I think pelenor fields is partly so meaningful because of this moment. In these moments we're watching theoden in the pit of despair. He's climbed out of depression, seemingly for nothing. His son is dead, and he can't even save his people. Then a fellow king talks him into one last fatalistic charge. And theoden decides that he would rather meet death with courage than fading away.
And his courage is rewarded: his estranged nephew, something like his second son, who he had sent away in the darkness of his cravenness, returns to him. It shows him that there IS something to fight for, that his nephew and niece will carry on his legacy, that he can fight for the next generation. That even in the face of absolute annihilation, his courage and faith are meaningful.
And then, at pelenor fields, he has his own courage. He doesn't need talking into anything. He leads at the front, proud and assured, and ready to meet whatever end faces him.
Theoden is really good at the whole heroic speech thing.
One has to know these things when you're a king, you know.
*****
Along with a comprehensive knowledge of swallows
I don't know that. Ahhh!! (into the gorge.)
***** dont worry, its just a flesh wound
Theoden could probably make doing your taxes feel epic.
I always liked that Gandalf's magic was never flashy or overt. He doesn't shoot fireballs or lasers, he just brings down _light_ to scatter his foes. It makes the magic feel more abstract and special.
Yes, but that being said, he is not even using magic here. He simply arrives in time (at sunrise), precisely when he means to, as a wizard should.
@@markarato8034 it’s def magic
@@markarato8034 Well he is not using for the light, but definetly for morale boost... he with the ring of fire he basically is beacon of hope...
he is kinda using magic.he wields narya the ring of fire.
Thats by design. The Valar tried it the way of overwhelming power. Morgoth was defeated sure but it came at the cost of a ruin of an entire continent.
His job is to inspire the races of middle earth to defeat Sauron themselves, not smite Sauron and his forces with divine power (though he is capable)
Thats why I like how they handled Gandalf vs Balrog. One of the only displays of truly divine power and its used AFTER he has allowed the Fellowship to safely flee. At that point he is no longer holding back and trying to help them. Its just an Ainur grudge match for old times sake.
You know Theoden is a badass when Aragorn asks him to ride out with him, and he immediately steps forward and says "for death and glory", and when Aragorn says "for Rohan, for your people", he was 100% on board as soon as he heard it. Dude was the kind of king I'd be proud to fight for.
I always took that line to be more dismissive. Like saying you'll ride to a glorious death but that's it.
i was rewatching and noticed something: you see theoden was hopeless and i dare say even aragons took that battle as defeated, and then, suddenly they have a change of heart, to go face the enemy, i believe it was because gandalf was close enough so his ring of power, Naya, rekindle their hope and lit their courage
@@GusJKlaus damn that's a thought
It was definitely more dismissive in it's delivery, like, "what's the point?" Which is why Aragorn said what he said and revived Theodens morale.
@@halfknight6706 Jesus, Aragorn is such a CHAD he always brings the best in the people around him
I just love the moment when Aragorn calls ''Ride out and meet them'', Theoden's eyes glitter a moment, saying ''For death and glory'', but Aragorn kinda corrects him with ''For Rohan, for your people!''
Aragorn is such a Chad, he encourages and brings the best out of the people around him and never takes their spotlight
Brings out the kingly attitude in Theoden. A Christlike response.
Aragorn: "is there no other way for the women and children to get out of the cave"?
Legolas in the background: "stupid table"
LMAOOO😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Wow, I just noticed that!😂👌🏾
I don't get it...
lol I just noticed that too
"The horn of Helm-Hammer-Hand shall sound in the deep, one last time" One of my favorite lines in the whole trilogy
Helm Hammerhand is a guy.
Helm hammerhand was a badass
The whole speech is one of my favorite parts of the whole trilogy.
"Yessss!!" *runs off to sound the horn.*
Same, how can you not scream "Yessss" with Gimili after that
It's strange to realize that while it looks like a fiery younger Aragorn rekindling Theoden of his warrior's spirit, Aragorn is actually decades older than Theoden (as a person of Numenorean blood, he ages more slowly than normal humans) and Theoden knew the adult Aragorn when Theoden was a child. Aragorn is the wise elder reminding his once-pupil of the traditions of the Riders of Rohan.
In LOTR Aragorn is 87 and Theoden is 71.
Theoden doesn't need any pep talks in the book, though.
How is it strange to realize?
Its so heartbreaking when Theoden says "so much death..." his tone and facial expressions perfectly convey his loss of courage, and Aragorn with no other option is forced to find his, in doing so returns Theodens. One must remember they we're different to Gondorians and a true testament to Theoden having the heart of a king.
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Different from Eleves or Numenorians (the greatest race of men in the history of Middle Earth).
This scene is deep when you consider that Theoden probably felt like all off humanity was doomed.
Theoden had been systematically reduced to a hopeless, depressed shell of himself. It wouldn't be realistic for him not to revert to that to some degree under stress at this point. But having found his courage once, he finds it again soon enough.
He didn't chastise or belittle he inspired
"The Horn Of Helm Hammerhand,Shall Sound In The Deep...One Last Time!!!"
The whole 3 movies is just epic as fuck with no words to describe
Agreed!!!
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+Yosef Hadish fuck yea
Yeah so good it brings tears to my eyes man how fuckin much I love LoTR
you're damn right
Theoden King gets the most badass lines in the entire trilogy.
i agree
It's either him or Gandalf
Now for wrath, NOW FOR RUIN! AND THE RED DAWN!
FORTH EORLINGAS!
"They may take our lives, but they'll never take OUR FREEDOM!!!" ..oh shit, wrong movie, what I meant to say was "YO ADRIAN, I DID IT!"
I love how Jackson uses the flag of Rohan here so effectively. A stunning close shot, adding a rare splash of color to the frame, and then a wide shot of it flying defiantly over the Orc horde- A singular symbol of man's indomitable spirit.
While riding down the bridge, it looks so tinny and yet it drags SO MUCH ATENTION basically stealing the whole scene.
It's a symbol. Just amazing.
Dont forget their beautiful green capes.
RIP BERNARD HILL, A man of truly Kingly stature
"let this be the hour where we draw swords together. "
That line is underrated considering aragorn rode to war with theoden's grandfather.
and to think Aragon is still there carrying chairs and stuff to defend the people
I think it has more to do with the king of gondor and the king of rohan riding together to war
@@yongo1304 not really since Aragorn was still no king, and Aragorns claim to the throne is not as simple as they show in the movies.
@@TheLuisaco
correct me if i’m wrong, but don’t the books emphasize Aragorn’s rightful place as the High King of Gondor and Arnor?
Of course, in the books, there are more mythos and details regarding Aragorn’s claim to the throne, so I guess you could say he had “more to prove” in the books than was shown in the movies, but didn’t Aragorn’s healing abilities, humility, and servant-leadership-style solidify him as the true High King in the eyes of the people even more?
Again, correct me if I’m wrong, I read the books over half a decade ago haha
@@kikihohohaha Yes, they do, but the complexity of Gondor line of succession is, in my opinion, a bit simplified in the main books compared with the rest of the lore they give you in appendices and other books.
Just think Gondor citizens barely knew Aragorn until late War of the Ring and it would have not being the first time they would have rejected the rightful claim of the heir of Gondor like they did for example with Arvedui of Arnor.
Its quite complex because if it would have been just a matter of having the right to claim the throne, there were many chieftain of the Dunedain before Aragorn who had the same right than him to rule Gondor, but no one came to claim it because, in my opinion, they knew how hard it was.
Gimli is all about that life. Blowing big horns, swinging big axes, killing bad things by the dozen. You gotta love him.
Boga, I'm still standing. Do it proper!
He's the token barbarian
"...killing bad things by the dozen..." with no pointy arrows, mind!
you forgot the booze man, dwarf will never forgot his booze
He's an awesome dude, and lethal warrior...
... in short distances.
I love blowing the horn because it would signal to Eomer and his cavalry that Helm's Deep was still there and still fighting to inspire them to get there even faster.
One of the most epic moments in the whole trilogy when Theoden says to Aragorn, “let this be the hour when we draw swords together.” They thought this was their last charge and that these were the last two kings of men. Legendary.
0:59 me and my friend while we're loading my shotgun and his ar 10 when antifa is outside breaking my door down
This actually happened in Detroit while we were staying there
Hahahaha my God dude, if I was there I would look for something to blow like, IDK, a trumpet or something.
@@shawne02 Nice, how many did you take down? Good job if you only scared them though with warning shots. Make those little punks sh*t their pants in fear.
The Battle of Winterfell vs This??? No comparison to this epic battle.
i am raging that these fucking soyboys even dare compare the two
everyone copies the grand daddy of them all. and i suppose nothing wrong with that
@@mihai4815 funny thing is that in the books they actually have to fight saruman who has fled to the shire after Sauron has been defeated haha
Those are too different. Even the nature of evil is different
In Lotr, evil is power, brutality and tyranny, grand armies
In Asoiaf, it's cold, winter, slow end of all life, natural forces
The battles against each had to be different. I was let down by the battle of Winterfell, but they were right to make this more gritty and "down to the mud"
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Not even FUCKING close.
Now for wrath
Now for ruin
And the red dawn
FORTH EORLINGAS
FORTH EORLINGAS!!!!!!
Nothing is more inspirational and chilling when you hear his voice when challenging your biggest vice or foe. Fell deeds awake indeed. Amazing!!!
@@katiematkowski7478 Amen.
Always appreciate it with when the avatar suits the comment.
Glorious!
When Gimli says 'the sun is rising' and the music shifts, that's when the goosebumps really come out. So many amazing lines in such a short period of time. God this is one of my favorite scenes in all of cinema.
Exactly. The sun rising is a metaphore for hope as well not just announcing the coming of Gandalf
As phenomenal as this trilogy is, if anyone else other than Bernard Hill had been cast as Theoden, it just would not have been as epic.
He is my favorite of the trilogy!!
Viggo gets most of the attention for being a last minute addition to the cast and being the absolute Chad he is, but fuck me rigid if Bernard Hill couldn't get someone hyped to charge, fearlessly, to their death.
@@widexawake_ That is one of the reasons he is my favorite of the series. The character development was incredible and Bernard absolutely nailed every aspect from the broken down, possessed Theoden to the heroic Theoden who lead the Battle of Pelinor Fields even at the cost of his own life.
That moment when Theoden transformed from self-doubting wasted king to a badass. His speech at pelennor was more epic like he regained his confidence after this victory.
I think his transformation was complete at "We will meet them in battle nonetheless".
The glory of a honourable death
in the books however he was very determined.
‘The end will not be long,’ said the king. ‘But I will notend here, taken like an old badger in a trap. Snowmane andHasufel and the horses of my guard are in the inner court.When dawn comes, I will bid men sound Helm’s horn, andI will ride forth. Will you ride with me then, son of Arathorn?Maybe we shall cleave a road, or make such an end as willbe worth a song - if any be left to sing of us hereafter.’‘I will ride with you,’ said Aragorn.
he has a transformation from weak to strong and kingly after Grima is casted out.
I think both scenarios are interesting, what was done with the character in the movies describes the character of Theoden consistently.
I encourage you to read the chapter of the helms deep if not the entire trilogy, that chapter is exhilarating
Wait, Théoden died in The Pelennor Battle, right? Don't mind if I'm wrong, I don't have the best memory
@@Ext_R2 yes, but that battle is after the Helm's deep battle
I watch this whenever I'm facing a tough time, to "ride out and meet them". Meet is a word without anger or fear. About Facing life as it comes.
Theoden: "For death and glory.", Aragorn: "For Rohan. For your people" -- Here Aragorn re-affirms the ultimate goal, it's not about selfish "glory", the bigger picture is "your people".
Incredible message.
Remember to look east at dawn on the 5th day.
Yeah same here lol
Jocko's aggression beats fear
"Without anger or fear", well said.
@@vLinko777 Aggression and anger aren't the same at all. Anger is weakness. Aggression is persistence.
rest in peace Bernard Hill Théoden King
Rest in peace to the King of Rohan. Rip 2024.
2:28 In a Total War battle when all you've got left is your General's Bodyguard
I love the total war franchise too mate.
But more like 1 cataphract troop
CarzorStelatis 3:30 and your allies finally show up
More like
3:30
Our troops have rallied to the battlefield!
I heard 4 cylinders
CarzorStelatis Too real man, too real.
To the Uruk that sacrificed itself to destroy the wall, you the real MVP 🙌🏻
*MVU
- Most valuable Uruk :D
MVB* Most Valuable Beserker
That was hacking confirmed.
I'm more sorry for the Orcs on the ladders while the wall was getting blown up :P
its like getting play of the game but your team still losses
RIP KING THEODOEN. ❤️ thank you for consistently giving me goosebumps.
Ride for ruin, and the worlds ending ❤
RIP Bernard Hall ❤
"Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red dawn!" Goosebumps every single time
I well up every single time. Just incredible!
Forth EORLINGAS!!
@@vidyadhariyer5696 Same man, same. I watched this with my wife and she probably thought I was crazy.
@@Bullet-Tooth-Tony- *CHARGES INTO CERTAIN DEATH*
I'll never forget sitting in front of a huge screen and having my mind utterly blown by the last hour of this movie.
CeruleanFilms I remember how I'd get scared everytime I'd see an Orc or an Uruk-hai. And that was 13 years ago...
I feel you brother
This comment nailed it. It was so much better than anything that preceded it.......and pretty much everything after. Definitely a movie made for a big screen.
Actully i only had the pleasure of watching Return of the King in a cinema and i was very young. It'll be pleasure to hear you share in specifics what the energy and reactions in the theater were when you watched the first two and third movies!
@@SkPuzzle Oh man, up to this point of the film there was so much tension in the theaters. Total silence. Peter Jackson built up the emotion so well. I was only 11 or 12 and I was there with my grandpa and my cousin. I had never read the books. I'd seen the first film and saw Boromir die, so I figured any character was fair game. It appeared as though Theoden and the fellowship heroes were about to meet their end with this film..That the battle was certainly lost. I was blown away when the rohirrim and gandalf appeared. Honestly I'd forgotten about them, and the quiet theater was suddenly cheering. You could just FEEL the relief wash over the audience. Intertwined brilliantly with scenes of the ents DESTROYING Sarumon's orc workshop. Up until that point everything seemed so hopeless! Honestly indescribable experience. Afterwards, my cousin and I gushed about the film and he told me he was so happy when the ent who caught on fire doused his head in the rivers, hahaha. Just a little gem appreciated by a kid. Anyway, I know this experience was a little personal but thanks for letting me share.
Rest in peace Bernard. This still brings tears to my eyes and makes the hairs stand up on my arms. Incredible actor. Incredible scene.
REST IN PEACE Mr. Hill
This film gave me the best cinema experience of my life. I was in my early 20’s and went to a midnight showing for both this and ROTK. I’ll never forget the sold-out audience losing their collective shit when Gandalf appeared on the ridge, and then losing it even more when Éomer appeared beside him. People were literally out of their seats and the emotional energy was palpable. I have never heard a movie audience roar like that before and I know I never will again. The memory still gives me goosebumps.
I saw this when I was I think 13...I agree the best scene I have ever seen in a movie bar none!
fuck bro don’t forget when Frodo threw Gollum down that abyss. the whole theatre started clapping when that happened. i was only a kid when i saw them in theaters but they were so memorable they all stuck with me until now (24 years old). listen to this, just before the battle of Helms Deep kicked off, the bloody film broke!!! we had to go back and watch it the next day (free of charge of course).
@@Dustyholes yup, that and the mass audience roar when Sam stepped into the frame while Shelob was wrapping Frodo up! We were damn lucky to see these films in the theaters when first released, weren't we?
@@Purplesquirrel31 For real! What I would give to experience these movies when they were released in theaters
I remember watching this with my dad aunt uncle Mom basically all the adults I knew were Into it and went. Sadly I don’t remember much tho of my theatrical viewing on Two towers tho. I do remember being scared by the swamp scene and that the theater was so packed people were sitting in and on the stairs for the whole three hour movie. I was 6 at the time. Can’t imagine if I was mid 20s like you were in your awesome story and like I am now, that would’ve been so cool!
Thing is, this is only like the second most epic chavalry charge in the trilogy.
+Walter Kowalski We all know which one is the most epic.
+vliegendegieter Grima riding to Isengard?
Alex Cayrouse
Yes, yes it is.
+Walter Kowalski yes but there is only 2 :D
+vliegendegieter how about the cavalry charge at the minas tirith?
Rip to Bernard Hill, can’t imagine anyone doing this role better. Our King goes to the Gray Havens
I love how Theodon says Eomer's name, with everything going on, he was happy to see his Nephew.
What I would give to have been in the cinema during this movie.
Tremendously badass, we were gushing like crazy afterwards.
As awesome as modern home theater setups can be there is something special about being in a movie theater.
I was on the first run of the first day. I had to wait more than 2 hours in line but it was awesome! Me and my friends from high school skipped school for this! I was 17 at that time. I will not deny that I was moved by the charge led by Gandalf and Eomer. It was beautiful and I truly had to hold my tears of joy to avoid being called a fanboy nerd or whatever. It was worth it!
I saw this movie twice in the cinema and it was the only time i've ever seen a movie twice in the cinema at that and i'm 24. Might break that record with the Guardians of the Galaxy though ;)
My mouth was dropped through this entire battle and i was literally shivering from so much excitement ... Really an amazing cinema experience
Yes, man, i was there, and i can tell to you like a veteran, like a survivor, i was there twice, and the first time was an amazing cinema experience, everything was stressing my body and my mind, and during the helm's battle (the owner of the big movie theatre was my friend) i ran away from the theatre and i went to the little bar just beside the cash screaming: "fucking shit! it's a hell inside! please, give to me coke, chocolade and pop corn, or i won't survive! quick!".
This is why i love these movies more than GOT. Love that show, but these movies didnt need sex or over the top gore to reach an audience.Just great acting, memorable dialogue, amazing musical pieces and raw emotion. Ive grown invested in GOT, but I was never more invested in any movie or tv show as i was sitting in theaters watching these movies.
Plus, GoT was so cynical and nihilistic, there was no heroism in the characters, and no ideal to fight for. Everyone was just a backstabber and a political opportunist. There was a point when I didn't even care if the Night King wiped them all out. But LotR was a heroic story with an ideal worth dying for.
I love A Song of Ice and Fire, I maintain that I doubt many of the scenarios that D&D put forth in the show are going to come pass no matter what they say (how does Stannis burn his daughter from hundreds of miles away? In a snowstorm?) and some they've all but admitted won't happen (like them saying they had Arya kill the Night King instead of Dany or Jon, the characters that would actually make sense, because it was reportedly 'cooler' that way (We're not idiots. Who ever kills the Night King in the books is Azor Ahai, they choose Arya to randomly do it because it let's them conveniently dodge the question for the show, not alienating the fans of the other character and have there be no Prince That Was Promised.)) Game of Thrones didn't have the soul Lord of the Rings had, A Song of Ice and Fire doesn't have the soul that Lord of the Rings had.
Every part of Lord of the Rings, which equally condemns war as a horrible thing as it exalts those who enter that war knowing that, came from the heart and soul of Tolkien. From a man who saw the horrors of World War I on the most personal experience at the Somme, the bloodiest battle of the war where at least one of his University friends died, and saw two of his sons go off into the Second War. At the risk of armchair psychoanalyzing a man that was frankly a greater person than I will ever be, I think in some ways, Lord of the Rings was his equivalent to All Quiet on the Western Front. It let him, in some way, talk about the horror he witnessed, about the equal parts pride and fear that any parent would feel seeing their kids enter a war. Especially a war that was the follow-up to what had been called the War to End All Wars.
George RR Martin is a good writer, hell, he's a great writer and if you were disappointed with GoT, I'd suggest reading aSoIaF... but I think it says something that George was a contientous objector (not that there's anything wrong with that. He has made it clear on numerous occasions that despite his books being grim, he's still very anti-war and maintains that he believes the Vietnam war was a terrible mistake, and there is an equal amount of bravery in standing up and saying that you don't support something). And we can never say that he wouldn't have come out of Vietnam and still written aSoIaF, but Lord of the Rings is undeniably a happier story than A Song of Ice and Fire, and I think a lot of that has to do with the hell Tolkien went through in his youth. He wanted to tell an old type of story, a story like Beowulf or Le Mort De Arthur.
And I think that's the best reason claiming that they would top Helm's Deep was a bad idea. Lord of the Rings and Game of Thrones are both fantasy yes, but Fantasy is still a broad, BROAD topic. What works in one fantasy story doesn't work in another. We go into Lord of the Rings, and while they might fake us out here and there, we don't expect death around every turn. Game of Thrones forged itself on a mountain of death, it told us no character was safe, that they could and would die at the drop of a hat. And in a genre that had grown stagnant in attempts to clone LotR, of course that got people's attention.
But then they changed the rules, suddenly the only casualties in the biggest, hardest fought battle are the BBEG, a suicide after the fact and a little girl? We feel cheated, because what we were told wasn't true, every character suddenly had plot armor.
@@thatonepsycho5157 nothing truer has ever been said in comparing these two fantasy stories. There's nothing to add and nothing else to comment on.
Not only that, but it's so well balanced. A balance that not many movies reach
That show is drama for the sake of drama. Oversexed, torture porn which makes people tune in. Just like the new media. I just could not get into so much negativity that show put out.
The usage of sunlight by Gandalf is actually a very important theme to his character. When he was captured by the forces of Sauron in the Hobbit he was intentionally brought to a cloudy place with little sunlight to weaken his power. Gandalf "the grey" represented a version of him that did not generate light but could still shine it if it was provided. Whereas Gandalf "the white" represents the transformed version of the same force that could not only shine light but also generate it. He is far more powerful than his previous self. That's the only major flaw in the cinema version of Gandalf. They didn't do justice to the difference between Gandalf the grey and Gandalf the white.
Rest in Peace Bernard. Rest in peace, Bernard Hall.
Go to the halls your fathers, and even in their mighty company, do not now be ashamed.
"What can men do against such reckless hate?"
"Ride out with me. Ride out and meet them."
This scene is the very SPIRIT of the words 'do not go gentle into that good night.'
If the men of Rohan would die, they would rather die with axe, sword, and spear in hand, atop a pile of fallen foes.
Great lesson for life in general, not only war. Life will try to break you- even if you are dommed to fail- try to break it in return. At the very least, you will feel satisfaction of trying, of giving your foe fewnew scars, rather than cowering in the corner, waiting for the sword to swing down...
men were REAL men in the days gone by....i know LOTR is a fiction but the spirit and courage are very REAL and reminicent of REAL battle. sadly we live in a world controlled by a few and the power they have amassed through technology/weaponry prevents any kind of revolutionary war like the ones of the past! i fear the future for this reason...
@@gerbear3227 That's because Tolkien was an officer in World War 1, and was fresh from the trenches of Verdun, I believe, when he began writing LOTR.
The Dead Marshes were inspired by a real battlefield he was at, where the rain had flooded the field after a major offensive and all the corpses were just under the surface of the water.
You have much work to do yet. - The Lord Of The Rings.
At dawn, Look to the east. - Gandalf
Fucking glorious.
+Patrick Bateman Bateman as always.
+Patrick Bateman FUCKING GOOSEBUMPS ASWELL
+Patrick Bateman I will deliver a video tape.
Hail Theoden!
KING
"If this is to be our end, then I would have them make such an end, as to be worthy of remembrance."
RIP King
those horses dont get the glory they deserve
Horses are treated with a tremendous amount of respect in Rohan.
+Carlys Is it even physically possible for real-life horses to run down an incline like that?
+William Manning it is not, if I'm not mistaken in the books they say a Valar (not sure wich) helps the rohirrim riders by making the horses "float" just above the ground
+xBucefallusx Don't each of the Maiar "work for" specific Valar? And according to Wikipedia, Gandalf's is Manwe, the lord of "air, wind, and clouds", so that would fit.
+xBucefallusx That's just OP
its all in the music.
HOWARD SHORE.......you are a genius.
He's 2nd to John Williams
Mandalore the Hunter fake news
Between him and John Williams no doubt
Mandalore the Hunter Williams has a better portfolio, but this is the single best soundtrack ever imo. Star Wars a close second.
ChokeslamToHell Star Wars is better change my mind
Okay, it's weird, I've seen this film many times in my life, too many realistically. But for the love of all that is holy, if Theoden realising death is more than likely going to be the ending of the day, to ride out with Aragorn, the music, the power behind the 'YES', it still gives me goosebumps. Just what an amazing trilogy of films we got, should never take them for granted.
The horn of Helm Hammerhand shall sound in the deep, one last time. RIP Theoden, King of Rohan
It's fucking epic how Karl Urban called out the Rohirrim, even the way he said it was cool.
In the book it was Erkenbrand with Gandalf
- Theoden king stands alone.
- Not alone...Rohirrim !
FOR THE KING !!
So fucking epic.
so fucking true
doesn't he say "to the king"
if not I have been living my whole life wrong
ill check the subtitles and ill tell u. i know that feeling tho
He says TO the king,
u may now sleep in peace
XDDD
RIP King.
RIP KING OF ROHAN
This scene actually made me stand up.
Shit man, the same thing happened to me, I was in the cinema and I almost stood up but then my brain remembered I was in the cinema and not just a few yards away from crashing into the front ranks of the orcs.
But not alone
And you were not alone man
For death and glory
@@ArgentWarrior more glory
Theoden: "For death and glory."
Aragorn: "..for your people."
Theoden: "Meh.."
Oh yeah...I have people lol
What? Thats all Theoden is thinking about, the whole reason hes distressed is because hes got to defend his people and in this moment he seems to be failing.
I have those? I have a lot of those!
I always thought Theoden was being incredulous to Aragorn's motive. Like "Why? So it can be said we met a noble end?"
Lord of the rings
RIP Bernard Hill 🙏🏼 You were part of two of the most brilliant movies in the history of cinema
RIP my King
Apparently it took them 4 months to film the Battle of Helmsdeep.
Oh yeah. There are some feature length films that shoot in less time. They definitely set the bar
Also to build the Helmsdeep place took months
Wesker JHG The "Spare No Expense" Clause strikes again
*TIME WELL SPENT!!!*
Hannah Gerry+ Four months well spent!
3:25 "I am not crying..."
3:35 "I am not crying..."
3:42 *Crying...*
I Am crying..... Fuck it!!
Lmao so true
Damn I started crying watching this part and my girlfriend said are you crying and I just looked at her smiling lol 😂
How can I cry everytime from just a 4 minute clip. It's ridiculous
Rest in Peace, Bernard Hill. A King in our hearts forever.
"Fell deeds awake! Now for wrath, now for ruin, and a red dawn!"
*PFWOARRRRRRP!!*
"Forth, Eorlingas!"
Awesome film making right there!
Mikkel Herloev if they did the spartan cheer it’ll be even more dope
What can men do against such reckless hate?
Ride out with me, ride out and meet them.
+Elliot Baillie For Rohan, for your people.
The sun is rising
the horn of helm hammerhand will sound in the deep one last time
let this be the hour, that we draw swords together!
Let now white flowers cover Theodens grave...
Everything about this trilogy is just perfection, never get tired of it. What a journey.
All of Théoden's speeches are on my workout playlist......
I once pulled a tree up a hill (on foot, alone) with this
Movies nowadays shouldnt be called movies because that would be comparing them to a masterpiece like LOTR.
yep
No. LOTR is a film. A movie is the Avengers
You do know that ‘movie’ is a general term and you can’t just change the definition or the things it represents right? It’s like saying goldfish shouldn’t be call fish because that would be comparing them to sharks.
teslagod2003 endgame belongs in the brackets of Grown ups and Justice league etc. Should never be compared to the lord of the rings
teslagod2003 did you just compare shit end game with this legendary masterpiece. Shame on you
Rest now Theoden King, the Halls of your forfathers. Rest in peace dear dear Bernard Hill
R.I.P King of Rohan
Best part is that Theoden clearly recognizes Aragorn as King of Gondor, "let this be the hour" gives me chills.
The Horn of Helm Hammerhand shall sound in the deep, one last time.
YES!
One. Last. Time.
@@eariamjh71 YES!
*Y E S*
@@rngrtt3689 Let this be the hour, where we draw swords together.
Words can't describe the epicness of this battle
At 2:53, you can hear Aragorn cry out "Elendil!".
Neat detail
You sure that's what he was saying?
No cinematic moment will ever compare to this scene. I remember it gave me chills back then and to this day it makes my eyes teary.
Ride of the Rohirrim: bonjour
Pelenor fields charge would like a word
The ride of the Rohirrims at Pelenor fields would like to have a word here.
@@gastonlanteri1147 -- I saw both in theater, two towers in 2002 and return of the King in 2003. Pelenor fields charge was epic of course, but honestly it didn't top this. The shot overhead of gandalf and the rohirrim as they charge down the hill was genuinely jaw dropping in the cinema. It stunned everyone. I don't recall seeing anything like that on screen before that. Even now when I watch back almost 20 years later I get chills for those couple of seconds because they were burned into my memory.
true that, but tbh i prefer this melody to the one from RotK
LOTR motivates me to pass my exams. Especially this scene.
And thank Peter Jackson and all involved with the films for bringing it brilliantly to life
haha best motivational reason ever :D
This particular scene always gave me goosebumps, such a masterpiece LOTR was
And people say Harry Potter is better than LOTR, please...
How you can compare soo diffrent things? I Love both, and I think that's silly compare.
I agree the books are completely different, but the HP films were inconsistent with quality and never gave such emotional impact or cinematic mastery
Brandon Layne Are you consider yourself as a LoTR and HP fan?
Firen EX Both but I also try to be as objective as possible. The HP films can't compare to LOTR although I favor the HP books
Harry Potter is for teenagers, LOTR is for Men and Women
One scene better than the entire hobbit trilogy
True but there were still some cool things about the hobit
A Space Butterfly A fangirl of the Kili + that elf that I don't know and I don't care about her name impossible love?
+Salafoudele Coco Personally I thought the Hobbit was pretty good, not as good as LOTR, (You can't beat prefection so you can't blame it for not being as good), but still pretty good.
@lightning warrior I think that the hobbit unexpected journey was really really good, and the desolation of smaug was pretty mixed, and battle of five armies was just too much
+Salafoudele Coco The Hobbit looked too fake
“Ride out with me...”
*music starts playing*
*chills go through my entire body*
I still can not believe how is this possible for human to write such a trillogy, i am speechless every time im watching it with tears in my eyes , such a masterpiece which will never be recreated
It's because it's real
watching at 5 AM sun is rising
on a friday?
honestly the best time to watch this and the pelennor fields scene.
Did you see Gandalf? Anyway, sun rises too early in your country. It rises here at 6:30 AM.
File Rated Have the riders arrived yet
@@balooc2 YEEEES
that moment when you realize that the "Battle of the Bastards" looks like a children's party as compared with the scene
A TV-show is a whole other thing than a movie
Yeah, of course a massive film with 10x the budget is going to have a better battle than a TV show you fucking moron
TO be fair in some parts of the battle of the bastards, it is clear their budget surpassed LOTR; if you think of how much budget was used on how little of a scene, as the battle of the bastards had an insane amount of actors, and so much both makeup and otherwise use of mannequins involved, including over 200 real horses. This doesn't even come close, but LOTR is in many ways far more epic.
TO be fair in some parts of the battle of the bastards, it is clear their budget surpassed LOTR; if you think of how much budget was used on how little of a scene, as the battle of the bastards had an insane amount of actors, and so much both makeup and otherwise use of mannequins involved, including over 200 real horses. This doesn't even come close, but LOTR is in many ways far more epic.
mrdrebin123 I completely agree. This is just one moment. Comparisons are meaningless. Although between them and 16 years, but the battle in the LOTR yavlyaeyutsya most ambitious and epic battles in the history of cinema. If you want - is the pinnacle of .Luchshe nobody could pass. And read how much was spent on materials trilogy. Chromakeying there were far fewer than in modern cinema.
ps : I'm from Russia. The bear, vodka, balalaika, Putin .Well, and the world famous "syka blyat" :))
If you don't get goosebumps at "To the king!"...
Eomer had been in self-imposed exile. Because his king no longer recognized friend ... or kin. Those loyal to Theoden "rode north" until Gandalf brought them back .. on the 5th day. So freaking epic.
I haven't yet seen this remarked before (though I am sure I am not the first to think or say this), but Bernard Hill (Theoden) really is a master of the art: when Aragorn is discussing the women's escape from the caves with Gamling and they do the closeup of Theoden in despair, he *really* looks like someone with the infamous 'thousand yard stare,' simply having seen too much to cope (momentarily). Then when Aragorn tells him to 'ride out' with him, you can just see him change his entire demeanour. It's a small thing, and I am sure some might think this is what a good actor is supposed to do and I agree... But to do it this well is just astonishing. I am sure those among us that have looked at nothing like that themselves one time or another can relate. Truly magnificent acting.
Fully agreed. It's like Theodens flame rekindled after Aragorn said to ride out and meet them. One last purpose, and not going quietely into the night.
And the yet one more change in his demeanor when Aragorn responds "For Rohan. For your people" - the full weight of kingship falls on him again, but this time he has the strength to carry it.
It is astounding acting.
Very few movies can move me to tears.
This trilogy...
Damnit Tolkien, damnit Peter, I love you.
This and the Last march of Ents made The Two Tower an awesome film.
Also Gollum, and Frodo slowly breaking down
Sam's monologue at the end kills me
The Balrog Gandalf fight blew my mind in the cinema.
"And then i smote his ruin upon the mountain side". 13 yr old me- you're goddamn right.
I agree
Nothing has ever come close to the emotions and tension of this whole battle in cinema since in my opinion. Then the acting and script is on point too. Brilliant
This is still better than endgame final battle
1000%
Tony Mira please don’t compare shitty end game with this legendary masterpiece
@@thamara2130 Why are we comparing superheroes to fantasy? Like...What??
Tesseract Studios most importantly why are we comparing a shitty superhero movie to a legendary fantasy masterpiece. Like...why?
@@thamara2130 Now that's subjective, but yeah.
Of all the cavalry charges in these movies, I'd rate this one second.
1. Pelennor Fields
2. Helm's Deep
3. Warg Attack
4. Mûmakil Charge
5. Faramir's Sacrifice
6. Ambush at Fangorn
... Man, PJ sure loves a good cavalry charge...
Nah has to be the Rohirrim with Gandalf for me. The music made it so epic.
L.M that’s that Shadowfax theme right there, brilliant truly brilliant