The 2022 Toyota Tundra Is All New But Did Toyota Do Enough To Kick Some Ford, Chevy & Ram Butt?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2021
- ( tfl-studios.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Welcome back to TFL Talkin' Trucks! In this podcast, we're doing a debrief on the 2022 Toyota Tundra reveal now that we've had a few days to stew on it. Did the new truck really do enough, or is it just not quite enough? Here's what Andre and Nathan think!
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I love how the spit screen makes it look like Nathan and Andre are holding hands.
The split screen builds tension.
I was thinking the same! lol
They sit across from each other so their hands are not but their feet are touching 😂 😂 😂
🤪😭
Hahahahahahaha
After viewing all of the YT videos about the new Tundra this past week, Andre your videos were head and shoulders above everyone else.
Having said that, really an HOUR AND 20 MINUTE discussion. ZZZZZZZZZZ
I’m glad I bought my Tundra right before the pandemic cause these dealerships are greedy with the mark ups and outrageous prices!!
Agreed! Pun intended haha. My wife and I were looking at RAV 4 Hybrids until we saw the price tag and laughed. We will wait.
I just bought a 2016 Toyota tundra sr5 crewmax my previous truck was a ram and I absolutely love the tundra.
I’m one of the guys who actually LOVES the heritage Toyota script on the passenger dash. I’m curious to know how many other viewers love/hate it. Would you guys be willing to do a poll to find out if Toyota nailed that part or not?
Has a heritage land cruiser / FJ feel.. love it.
i like it but i wouldn't pay $1500 for it
Love it, just as in all the trd oro grilles. Older dudes may not like it.
Love it
I thought it was too much when I first saw it but the more I think about it I love it. Nice nod the the Toyota heritage.
Gotta say, the SR5 trim looked very nice in a walkaround video uploaded about that specific trim.
That lunar rock truck had the TRD Sport package.
I’d really like the details on the factory 3” lift, I personally think this will be one of the best looking trucks on the road with 35’s and aftermarket bumpers.
Couldn’t agree more...
So the 2022 tundra is at the Texas state fair in Dallas. Saw it in person there. Looks good to me.
When I first saw the reveal I thought the front was atrocious.
Now, I am impatiently waiting to be able to order my new Tundra.
The KoolAid kicked in......
Hahah it’s still fugly, seems they’re battling gmc for the fuglyest fronose
@@Dirtyharry70585 GMC is a better looking truck than the Toyota and at least the GMC has some heart and doesn't copy other manufacturers.
Yeah, it's grown on me. You can probably get a cool grill on the aftermarket anyway. It has been modernized. If someone is buying a truck because they want a hot tub or sauna in the tailgate prob aren't worrying about money or reliability.
I agree the front is just hideous... Looks like a Nissan Altima or Maxima.
Let's just face it. None of these will be inexpensive
They will be in the mid range price wise I think.
@@axelsprangare2579 No I don't think they will be honestly. I think the Limited will be 50-53kish the Platinum 55-65k ish and the TRD PRO 65k+ that's just my guess 🤔
@@isaiahparks5628 TRD pro is like $50-55 right now.
@@1spartacus1337 No they're not! At some dealerships maybe but most have a huge mark up nice try I've seen a 2021 TRD Pro for 75k
THEY WILL BE 3-5% More than the 2021 models are priced at and that’s it .
Thank you guys for going over these details in this format. Very nice, with the photos being in there, it helps digest the information.
Big fan or powertrain and interior updates. Exterior design is cool, some lines are Tacoma-esk, which I like. Will look forward to actually seeing one on a dealer's lot.
Tundra did a good job catching up but that's all they did. Didn't go above and beyond like they did when they first released the 5.7 ifork
I can't wait for you guys to test drive it!
You guys stretched this particular convo out over an hour!! Lol good work. Im ready to see it on the road, ice, and ❄
Great sync between you two guys here... great facts...great inputs...great questions!
True story… the chrome grill surround was benchmarked against Hulk Hogan’s mustache.
Yeah - but what about the mullet??
I think they missed on not having an inverter/generator mode, and losing the under seat storage on the hybrid. I was planing on buying, but now not sure. If i knew they would be adding an inverter next year I'd wait. But on the fence with just buying the F150 now.
100% a miss. Using those old nickel batteries. Fords flat floor has so much more usability.
I agree 100%. This was a big miss from Toyota.
Love the flat floor in the back seat and generator in the bed. Also love the power tailgate coming up and down with the press of the remote. Only minor thing I dislike is the folding shifter and capless fuel. And you can still get that v8...
Same here
@@xctrack17 100% NOT a miss. All batteries goes bad, toyota has an easy way to replace it, Ford does not. it'll cost an arm and leg for the labor repair. And nobody even uses the inverter that much. Andre has the Ford and even said so.
I just can't wait to get the MPG and pricing details. I can't make a verdict until then
You know neither are going to be good...
@@foskco87 why would you say that??
Love the format of this discussion. Enjoy watching other content creators reviews, pros, and cons. But you guys did it best, with your back and forth, keeping each other honest. Your experience with current, and older toyotas and the competition really rounds out this discussion.
They need to come out with Ivan Stewart edition as Raptor fighter! Search Ivan Stewert Jay Leno garage, let Ivan build the suspension. It would make a Bad Arse truck
And then we would have to pay to watch
I wish Toyota would have kept the 5.7 Liter and just mate it to the 10 speed transmission
Wish that 5.7 was still an available engine option..
Yes!
NO
@Jean Toronto Raptors
Yes no need for them in half ton trucks anymore.
Given the tundra might not change for another 14 years toyota needed to move past a v8. Hybrid, then full electric at some point soon.
Listened throughout almost the entire podcast. Great information and discussion.
Very good work guys, thankyou for your well thought out impressions.
I really like the new tundra. Inside and out this truck is awesome! The things I like about it…. it sounds like the power plant is tried and trued with all the testing they have done. It sounds like it’s going to have an immense amount of reliability versus its competitors. I also like the tech they developed around a super nice interior. After listening to chief engineer Mike Sweers I am very much sold on the capability, the reliability, and the longevity that I think this truck will have. My Ram will be replaced with a Tundra Limited with TRD off road package. I’m looking forward to towing with it!!
Im considering the same package too. I hear the Limited with TRD Off Road Package will have the Hybrid option which is a must for me. I dont care so much for the badging and suspension on the TRD Pro because I would probably change it anyways. All i want is the Hybrid, Rear Locker, and Crawl Control. Boom! TRD Off Road Limited!
Same could have been said for Ford and all the testing they did on the Ecoboost prior to its release, but real world and testing world is different
@Truth Only ok! You’re correct, Toyota is the best ever
I think that you'll be disappointed with the service and towing life vs your Ram. They have had numerous issues with the new Tundra, like any new vehicle. The Ram is being moderately redesigned foe 2023. That's probably a safer bet for now IMHO.
Regardless of all the changes, new engines and everything else... the most important thing is going to be price like Nathan mentioned near the end. If they mark this below Ford and Chevy, they are going to be successful with conquest sales. If they go above then their sales figures will mimic the last 10 years and at that point... what's the point of even having? Why spend all the time and money in R&D to bring out a truck that 80% of the truck buyers don't want. Price will determine the success.
I think the mileage is going to be impressive and the pricing good..
@@curtthrasher5599 That's the problem truck buyers are loyal, if the price isn't a couple grand cheaper than the big 3 it will never compete like the last tundra.
You are correct. I do have one idea as to why they redesigned. Unifying the platforms. They had to use the same frame, engine, transmission as the Land Cruiser; everything else had to be changed because of this.
No offence, but I hope you are wrong. If the most important thing to you is price, there are plenty of domestic vehicles available. The reason I have been a die hard fan of toyota my entire life is because real life usability and reliability has always been the "most important thing" to toyota. It's the reason I still drive a 30 year old toyota with over 400,000km that never let me down. Obviously we all want low prices, but in the end you get what you pay for.
@@es4326 You miss the entire point of my comment. You're saying something literally everyone already knows. This isn't about owning a vehicle for 30 years, it's about conquest sales. Getting new customers and more market share is the only thing that's going to ensure the Tundra has a long production life. They ate terribly low sales for more than a decade as a placeholder, and now it's their time to shine. They must do it, and getting new customers means having reasonable prices.
Great informative video and your channel is awesome. And, a great experience to start the day!
First of all I love you guys. I watch your channel because it does help me better understand the trucks and their capabilities before I buy. Now with all that said it's time for your show to start setting up these trucks with the same off road tires with like speaks so we can see who is best on road, mud, sand, rocks, gas mileage, tow and snow. I believe the only changes you would need to make are tires, close gearing and ride height. If you put ten to fifteen videos together showing these trucks in sand, mud, road, towing, rocks, milage and snow views like myself will be glued to your videos and most likely they will become most viewed... Thanks for reading and good luck guys... The Banks Family
Tundradude confirmed with Toyota that the premium fuel footnote was a misprint and that the published power figures are using regular fuel.
It's enough to get me to purchase it. Huge disappointment that the hybrid isn't available until next spring.
It isn't enough to get me to BUY it though.
Great show guys! I’m not a Yota guy at all, but the Tundra does look pretty sweet in person. Especially with some aftermarket wheels and tires.
Like, how you present everything showing both the positive and short commings.
Gonna be an amazing truck but if you end up financing a $70,000 truck at 4.9% plus the additional dealer mark up of 10k, I would say it's not the brightest idea!
But like any other Toyota in 5 years it will still sell for 60k so if you sell in 5 years the TRUE cost of ownership is $2,000 a year plus whatever interest.
$70k that’s 3/4 and 1 ton money. You can get a whole lot more truck with that kind of money. I just traded my tundra for a F250 diesel and it’s a world of difference. More Hp and torque and towing capabilities while getting 20mpg
All Toyota dealerships I've talked to are promising MSRP pricing with no markup. I also don't think any trim will cross the $70,000 mark.
@@TheBlakemaster01 Bob Tyler told me 5k make up..
Limited crew max with trd off road package. Option it with the iforcemax, panoramic roof, 14 inch screen, power rear window, automatic running boards and maybe air suspension and 6.5 bed, pending what the subtotal is. Im good to go. If the truck ends up over 60K before dealer markup, im chucking up the deuce. ✌️peace out suckas. Not good to go into too much debt during this inflationary environment. And another big wave of inflation coming soon. Commodities first then toys.
I don't care how beautiful and this that a truck is, but I'm NOT paying 70k for a pick up truck. I own a 2016 tacoma trd sport, paid for and I'm gonna keep it until I can't get in it, and I'm 50 so I still got another 20 years😂.
Well said. This is why the 95,000 dollar Ford Lightning and other new trucks are so ridiculous. No one in their right mind pays that sort of money for a light duty, non industrial, vehicle designed to haul and tow things, and that depreciates. Truck prices are just insane. I know gas isn’t 59 cents a gallon like it was in my youth, but 70, 80…100,000 prices are absurd. These amounts are MORTGAGE money. I guess my generation will have to die off before truck manufacturers can get EVERYONE to think those are normal prices for a truck.
To play the devil's advocate; there are pick up trucks ranging from $22k (base maverick) - $100k+ (raptor r), so there is something for every budget. So, while you may not want to spend $70k+ on a truck, you don't have to but it is nice that the other options exist for those that want/choose to spend that much. It is cool to see TRX and Raptors on the road, even if looking from a lesser truck.
I really enjoy these podcasts, good job guys!
Looks like you are holding hands at the beginning! So cute lol
Let's wait until the guys get one and run it up the Ike gauntlet , and see how it does compared to the big 3 ,,,,then I'll make my choice to keep my 2018 crew max or trade in for the new one
They did enough for me to consider the Tundra as my next truck. I will be looking to see how the Platinum compares to other similarly equipped trucks from the competition. I will not even be considering the Nissan. Toyota durability/ reliability are certainly something that is worth weighing.
Other brands have more towing, payload, features like fords self driving and a better interior.
@@mattgray6436 You are correct that other manufacturers post the bigger numbers. However I will never be towing or hauling anywhere near a max load in a 1/2 ton truck. If I needed to tow or haul heavy I would get a heavy duty truck. As far as interior is concerned....well we will have to wait and see what the Toyota is actually like. I do like the F150 Platinum interior that I have now but I am willing to consider all of them when I buy next year. If I want to use self driving I will take my Tesla. I am just glad to see that Toyota is stepping up their game because it makes for better vehicles for us all to choose from.
@@mattgray6436 those brands also do not have the reliability and resale value of Toyota.
Bought a 23 limited last week. Color is blueprint. It’s a beautiful truck i love it.
This 3.5 is due to the emissions change but dammm I loved the fact that it had that 5.7 ltr V8 the rest of the truck looks awesome I just wish this motor was in my tacoma and the 5.7 was in this tundra and for giggles twin turbo that
583 Lb-Ft of Torque (most of any truck besides the TRX) if they can get 24-25 mpg I would say they did. Also it’s on regular gas (87)
It will be closer to 28-30mpg
Premium gas. They even discuss this in the vid. Toyota email says 91.
@@ARIN4UK No way, physics still applies the hybrid will manage better city numbers but highway mileage will be the same as the non-hybrid.
@@Steve-yr5vi yeah depends on the rear axle gearing though. if they go for like a 3.23, it could get 25ish on a good day, but suffers mpg when towing.
@@Ducs4life nah this was a typo the engineers on several other channels have said it was rated at 87 octane.
I’ll take mine in a blue, Limited, crew cab, 6.5’ bed, TRD offroad package, non-hybrid, with load leveling suspension
Preach. Hopefully with gray or tan leather.
Great choice...
I would like to see you do more practical trailer along with The Gauntlet so we can see real pulling, power feedback, and real all round towing MPG. This will probably be your most anticipated testing ever!
You got to love TFL.Enjoy the show. Thanks 😜
I'm in the market for my 1st truck that will initially be used to pull a 6500 lb travel trailer. The F150 powerboost w/ on board generator and a battery that doesn't take up floor space under the back seat is swaying me in favor of the Ford.
Do you want to pay some one when the battery finally goes bad to remove the cab to access battery vs the Tundra since it's not lithium ion a lot less chance of catching fire plus its a simple remove replace battery.
Smaller grill and new bumper would look good!!
The result would be a Silverado or GMC.....
You guys are so cool👍🏼, I appreciate all the 411🙏🏼✌🏼
Ill wait for that IKE Gauntlet test, I saw one of those RAM TRX on the highway , Man that V8 sounds good , here my little 3.5 ecoboost
I actually like the hybrid battery under the seats. Easy to get to when replacing (bc all batteries fail at some point).Possible DIY low cost repair. Ford, you gotta get underneath, it's near the fuel tank and all that.... no thanks!
The main reason it’s in the cab is for temperature control to get more longevity. But yes definitely a plus when it comes to changing it. Which after owning a Prius will be at least 10 years or more down the road. If anyone actually keeps it that long. Most people that can afford a new tundra won’t be keeping it over 10 years I’d suspect.
You figure you're going to change the battery yourself? Really...
@@buckhorncortez why not??
@@buckhorncortez fun fact: some people work on their cars it’s not hard to change out a hybrid battery…especially in convenient locations. I’ve changed out a Prius battery pack before, u can literally RUclips it 🤣🤣🤣
@@badhombre8383 good points for why it's using the rear seat storage, but personally, I'd rather have utilization of that rear seat storage for that 10 year period and deal with replacing the battery in a more difficult-to-access location down the road.
They love holding hands and long walks on the beach together. (Haha)
This is a BAD ASS looking truck... and I am not a truck guy.
I appreciate the info but I havent seen any of these trucks going through tough long grass and sandy terrain hopefully you guys could do a vid on this kind of terrain for these trucks.
I think your towing test will show that regardless of the EPA estimates, we lost the known reliability of the 5.7 in exchange for very little in the way of improvements to real-world fuel economy.
enough with the reliability, Toyota's are, at best marginally more reliable than others. And a key factor in the Tundra's reliability is owner surveys indicate Tundra's overwhelmingly are purchased as grocery getters.
@@Steve-yr5vi I would have to agree and disagree I would say Toyota is far more reliable than the big 3 up to 150k and then they pretty much have the same issues if worked. The biggest reason Toyota is much better is because they do not change the drive trains every year like the big 3 Ram has learned this they find something that works well and keeps it gm and ford change configuration of power trains like underwear
If they manage 5 or more mpg they'll be just fine. Thats alot of fuel savings on annual basis all by itself. If they crack 24 to 26 in the hybrid it makes reliability mute within reason.
@@bigcjm so a 2wd would get 20 and a 4x4 17 that's pretty poor considering both a f250 gas and 2500hd 4x4 gas gets 15-16mpg. I just want the diesel in them like all other countries get except us
Almost all trucks are used as grocery-getters and the domestics don't even hold up to that. I've had several Chevy and Dodge and had issues with all of them. I'll admit I haven't had a newer Ford, my ancient F250 was a good truck, but I'm hearing nothing good about the newer ones.
I've never had serious issues with any of my Toyota vehicles. (I've never owned a Tundra) I've got a 15 year old 4Runner with 163K that runs and drives new.
Where’s the front bumper . Is that part of the whole grill. Looks weird.
I agree they should have painted the bottom bumper instead of being cheap and saving $ on paint!
That lower part of the front bumper is way to bulky, can't see that working well off-road Looks really awkward, think it's over designed like supra
looks weird now but it grows on you. just you wait
Great stuff guys, thank you 👍🏻
Something to think of with lithium is they don't do temperature very well. So to get a lithium it would probably be outside the cab for safety and then has to be heated and cooled with the cars HVAC system
Lack of inverter is a big miss for the hybrid. That’s one of the big attractors to the f150 hybrid.
Not liking the giant front grill.
Also, is there no front tow hooks? Big miss there for off-roading
@Daniel G
You're missing the point he's making. Nobody uses their generator every day, but it's invaluable in those instances when you do need it. It's also very convenient to not have to buy a separate generator (which isn't cheap) and keep it in your bed, which takes up space.
I’m waiting to see how it pulls a heavy load up/down the Ike Gauntlet before I make any buying decision. I’m also concerned with total length (will it fit in my garage), cabin headroom (will I fit), and reliability of the new engine / platform (will it last).
Good point with the headroom I’m having Tacoma with a sunroof flashbacks
No serious truck person buys a Toyota
@@mbukukanyau So what is a "serious truck person?" Is that someone who gives their loyalty to a company that does not give a damn about them? Or is it someone that does not really care about the pros and cons of each product? I mean that is a ridiculous statement. I currently drive a Ford F150 but that does not mean that my next truck will be one. I will certainly consider the 4 top players in the US when it comes time. Even though I have had favorable experiences with my last two F150s that doesn't mean I won't buy a Tundra or a Sierra/Silverado or Ram. I will have to carefully consider each of them for their strengths and weaknesses. Obviously if I needed a 3/4 or 1 ton I would not consider a Toyota but I don't need a heavy duty truck and to buy one would be silly.
You're damm lucky if your garage fits one. I'll have to build a house for that.. and i think you may lose too much headroom with the sunroof. Especially in the back.
@@mbukukanyau I've driven Fords for over 20 years as they are the in-plant rental trucks we are given at work. I could write a book about the constant problems with them but the short story is I would never own one personally. They barely get broke in good before the problems begin and in the shop all the time.
I am a huge Toyota fan, it’s hard to tell but I agree time will show whether or not their move worked out. Nathan, you’re totally right in regards pricing on trucks is astronomical. I have a setup budget and based on that no truck should be worth more than 40k. Don’t care about options because the main purpose of buying one is just to haul and ride comfortably. Thanks fellas, love the video!
Beautiful truck still not convinced 14 years to develop a Full size truck …..being a Toyota customer (4 Toyotas Tacoma, 1 Nissan Frontier)…I ended buying a RAM Rebel recently …which is an absolute beast..... The e-torque system is very efficient. The RAM boxes are very helpful for storage...in the bed side you don't have these storage consuming space...power is unquestionable... technology wise no complaints...so let's wait to see how it unfold this new truck... they will sell for sure there is a sector of customers waiting for it...
I’m with Nathan, the looks are still growing on me.
Fully boxed frame on Tundra! Watch and listen to minute 3:30 on previous video when the chief engineer explains it is now box and why.
It is a fully boxed frame.
I still have an 07 4runner v8 limited... tried and true 👍
If this Tundra does well I'll pick one up in 2-3 years
I have a 1979 K10 V8, Proven reliability .
I think it looks good enough to compete and agree they at least moved it forward to complete with the rest of the pack. I think they will be able to maintain current sales volume.
I actually really like it. But ill have to see it in person and drive it for a final opinion
The best thing is that Toyota makes the most reliable vehicles in the world .
Cars mostly have problems due to lack of proper service. I’ve had American cars hold up better than my Toyota’s. And although they are very reliable you are sacrificing a lot with Toyota as a whole. Imo American cars are simply much cooler.
Yes, my wife had a 04’ Ford Freestyle. Driving with three kids. It had no big issues. Ofc, replace starter and AC. But it runs over 300,000 miles. We sold it to my kid’s friend parents. Ask them to see if they still drive. They said yes. Wow.
Now our nest is empty. We own a 17’ Ford C-Max hybrid. We love it. 88,000 miles. No issues.
Now we are thinking about F150 PowerBoost with built in plug. Tundra Hybrid don’t have it. Someone said buy power bar. Don’t like to see the clusters in the trunk.
@@caseyschmidt6532 No, no sacrifices anymore. And most American cars are no cooler
@@alh06 This top of the line TrD pro doesn’t have 4 auto. My 16 Bighorn has that… Generally American cars of the same trim lvl will have a more luxurious interior. But to each is own when it comes to the word cool
@@caseyschmidt6532 more luxurious looking but cheaper materials. Maybe more features though.
I can’t wait till you guys get to drive a Tundra iforce max and do a real world review. I really want to see the power of the max. I definitely agree all these years waiting to make a new truck they could of made a truck to beat all the competition.
Efficiency will surely be better than others !!
Increase the tow and payload capacity !!
Multifunctional tailgate will be great and add front tow hooks ....
I pick up my 21 TRD Pro this week. I’m interested in the 22. Not sure about the looks yet……. The hybrid power train sounds great! Disappointed no Auto 4WD. I use it in my current Chevy often.
I love the design, the power train not so much. I love my V8
@@pat2430 I understand that. My 21 pro will be here this week.
I like the power of the hybrid though. And the torque curve of a diesel but with no turbo lag.
Biggest gripe is the loss of underseat storage on the hybrid, I keep everything under my back seats LOL. Oh well I guess I will save a few bucks and get the standard engine.
Same thing I see, I personally want the none hybrid. Wish they made the TRD pro with a none hybrid option! So platinum might be what'll go for but I also read 1794 will also have an option for with and without hybrid.
Well.....it is hybrid. If you want storage, get the non-hybrid version. Problem solved.
I'm sure the higher output outlet in the bed will come with future updates - they have to leave room for improvement since this platform is what we have for the next 15 years.
As a long time 2014 Tundra owner I can honestly say I actually love the overall design of the truck inside and out. What I didn’t like is that they’re not offering a V8 configuration.
Exactly ....it's a full size truck not a tacoma.
Small displacement turbos are going to be the norm everywhere sooner rather than later.
I’m kinda glad they will bring the TRD Pro out a bit later since that’s the one I want. Meaning they will have time to get any production bugs fix before their top tier product comes out.
We went out and bought a 2021 Tundra Crewmax before they got rid of the V8. Not interested in adding more complexity with the twin turbo V6s or hybrid. Would have gone with a Ford Lightning but didn't want to wait two or three years even though we put down a deposit June 1st.
I'm thinking the same thing. I'm not convinced of the new 2022 Tundra and not sure I can wait 2-3 years for the Lightning which I really want. In NorCal, it's good to have a backup power supply with rolling blackouts. I put a down payment on the Lightning but I'm number 11.5 million on the waitlist. LOL.
@@chrisi6776 the numbering system is kinda weird. They only have 150,000 reservations at this point. We did our reservation June first and it's something like 10 million. So there's something weird with their system. The lowest reservation number posted in the Lightning Facebook group so far is 10,814,188.
I hope that 3.5 TT is good in the long run, I don't see my company buying these if turbos give out before the rest of the engine. We bought 25 F150s at once, all just normal V6s for mpg and cost to repair. CEO wanted to buy 25 Tacomas but Toyota basically told us to go pound sand no discount for buying 25 trucks at once. Plus, orange wire is typically used and listed in NEC as high leg for panels that 1 phase is higher voltage then other 2.
My only beef is that you can only get the hybrid iforce-max on the top level trims, limited, 1794, TRD Pro. I would love the hybrid on an SR, which is something I commend Ford for. The ability to get the powerful engines on the bas level trims.
PLEASE iron that Colorado flag behind Andre.. all of us OCD people out here would really appreciate it.
Other than that great podcast! 😄
How long will that power last on the hybrid before the battery needs to regen and drop back down to just motor numbers.
Depends on how you drive it. A heaby foot under stop and go traffic will definitely deplete it faster, but if you drive it with a light foot, release the gas and let the regenerative braking slow it down and keeo a good steady speed it will do pretty well I think.
As a new truck buyer I will judge if they did enough in the coming months. I am not brand loyal but reliability and tech are important qualities for me as are ride quality and seat comfort. I am the target Toyota buyer as I don’t use a truck for work and will use it for weekends, off-road, etc. I personally like the look and can’t wait to drive one and compare to the competition.
Funniest part of that whole video Nathan explaining some lithium batteries from other co have caught fire. Andre- Yes I have storage under my back seat. Ford put my lithium battery along the frame rail by the fuel tank. Nathan- Yeaohhhhhhhhh ok! Andre- What? Nathan- Nothin. 😂 🤪😂
Andre's choice to buy an F-150 Hybrid looks better every day. Base model, 7500kw outlet, FX4 locker, everything needed, nothing not needed. Better price point.
Definitely, but now days everyone wants a half ton truck with the interior of a Mercedes-Benz to tow 13,000lbs and have 3,000lbs of payload, go 0-60 in 4 seconds and ride like a luxury car and get the fuel economy of a prius.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix For under $40k.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix I just want a real-sized bed, rear locker, offroad skidplates and shocks, and adaptive cruise on a low-end interior. I don't want a screen larger than 6-7".
@@brentworls8509 me too. Anything bigger is just too much light for night driving. I certainly dont want touch screen climate control. Its a pain enough as it is just operating the radio if the road isnt smooth.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix My wife's Jeep Cherokee has touch screen climate, and I really don't like it. Having to go through screens to turn on or off the heated seats is ridiculous.
I think Toyota did a fantastic job catching up to all the 2019 trucks out there.
yes, all those trucks have to do a refresh every 2 years whereas Toyota just does it every 15years because it's just that good and reliable. Fantastic job Toyota
@@herewegoagain7403 That's nice and all but 15 year changes and relability clearly don't get you that many sales.
Toyota didn't do anything here to push into the top 3 let alone be super competitive...and that's coming from a current Tundra owner.
@@SuperSnakePlissken Fun fact: Toyota already have a vast line up. The truck lineup isn't the focus, it's more of a hobby to them. It's not competition with the big 3 otherwise they'll introduce heavy duty. Plan is to stay in their own lane of the avg Joe and stay true to reliability. That's cute, the "low sales" number doesn't reflect how good the tundra is.... if toyota switched their market into trucks, it's over for the big 3. And this is coming from a current F150 owner.
@@herewegoagain7403 they don't do it because its "just that good and reliable", they do it because most tundra owners are complacent in comparison to big 3 owners when it comes to how they think of their truck. The tundra is a lifestyle vehicle more than it is an actual working man's truck. As far as this trucks relation to the big 3 go, it's nothing more than a catch up. Problem is Toyota being Toyota, its already foreshadowing obsolescence, and thats why if they did take the big 3 seriously, they'd fail. They can't afford to do the 4-5 year refreshing the big 3 can, while also topping them out in the numbers game. The big 3 is a whole different ball game in comparison to what toyotas philosophy is. Toyota doesnt do class leading numbers. People don't buy the big 3 for reliability, they do it for show. In 3 years, they're already moving on to another new truck to look on top. You can't do that with a tundra when its going to be the same thing 15 years in a row.
@@johnkenley4687 are you suggesting Toyota doesn’t have innovation?? LOL Toyota leads in innovation and development. (Ie: hybrid, Hydrogen power, hybrid performance- lemans24, etc). They have plenty of new tech, they don’t want to introduce it until they test it extensively first. Hence reliability. You think the most rich and successful car company in the world doesn’t have research and development for the future?? I said, the market is not trucks. It’s a hobby. You won’t be seeing “new” tech in there. But you bet the tech will be tried and true. I bet you the big 3 “new tech” is already achieved by Toyota. They dont need to release it and use gimmicks like inverters and tailgate wars 🤣🤣🤣
I completely agree with the point about the low power inverter, that should’ve been addressed. RE: Ram special editions, I would buy one if they updated powertrains. The 5.7L is old and underpowered in 2021. That longhorn interior with a new hybrid powertrain (a la Ford and Toyota) would be unbelievable.
At 21:50 you mention they will offer a lowered street version TRD Sport…..did I hear that right?
I like the look overall. Wish it had more of an actual front bumper . But it’s a good looking truck . Absolutely love the interior ! Nicest interior of any truck in my opinion.
Where they fell short for me is no v8 .. I dont care how many turbos you add and what the HP and torque numbers are . There is no replacement for displacement. For towing ... especially engine braking .. I want a V8 . Another thing they missed huge on is no type of tailgate step . I’m in a ford right now ... and I use the tailgate step and integrated loading ramps on a weekly basis for loading dirt bikes . Everyone else has one ... why did Toyota ignore the tailgate step ?
they kinda have a step but its power fold out from the bumper
". I dont care how many turbos you add and what the HP and torque numbers are . There is no replacement for displacement." This is a self-defeating statement if I ever saw one.
If power is made in prodigious amounts from a smaller 3.5-liter engine, and we are going from a 5.7 liter V8 that cannot compete, how and why do people keep regurgitating that same tired phrase, over and over?? Your argument is just that you prefer a V8 of which there is absolutely nothing wrong with that preference. But for love of physics please stop with proven time and again that displacement is no guarantee of superiority. We have seen smaller displacement force-fed engines in all kinds of road cars and race cars that, by the laws of physics, strongly disagree.
@@Amayi1 I am not speaking of only go and torque . I am well aware of how a turbo works , and the power and efficiency of these smaller turbo v6 engines . Although I am still not sold on the longevity of these engines when towing heaving loads day in and day out . But even if we assume the engineers got it right and these engines will last ... where they can never compete with a v8 for real truck duty is while towing and using the engine to be your brakes going down mountain passes with a heavy load. The smaller v6 simply does not have the displacement for this. I have driven many many miles in F150’s with both the 5.0 v8 .. and both ecoboost v6’s. And even empty without a trailer ... I find the v6’s tend to want to run away in you while coming down long mountain grades . So for this reason alone .. I am not a fan of these smaller turbo engines .
@@Amayi1 2JZ-GTE definitely comes to mind. That thing will reliably hold 1,000hp on stock internals. A well designed smaller engine can be durable. Might have to replace turbos here and there depending on how you drive it. The key is to always let it idle for a bit before turning the engine off to let the turbo cool down. That and regular oil changes with good oil are the key to turbo longevity.
@@gordboyko769 Gear it down on downhills, I do regularly when towing.
I love the truck. As soon as I can put a deposit down, I will do it. I am loving the new TRD Pro. If the msrp seems reasonable compared to other msrps of other truck companies, I think it's worth it. What will he tricky, is finding an honest dealership that won't be charging a crazy "adjusted market value". 🤔
I put a deposit down the day after the commercial came out
I’m driving my 2014 Ram EcoDiesel with around 22mpg and I’m all for Diesel, but if the hybrid has at least the same mpg it’s really worth thinking about it. Especially with Toyota’s reliability. I had so many issues with my Ram (EGR, air suspension, Bluetooth) that it told my dealer that I’m pretty much done with Ram and their quality.
I do like the new design! Still need the numbers and prices up here in Canada to make a decision!!!
I'm onboard & excited about the New Tundra platform.. 🤔The only thing that concerns me with this new generation of trucks is the fact that trucks are losing the front steel bumpers, to Facias! Plastic cladding. The rest of the truck is awesome. I know manufacturers are doing it for gas mileage. I just would want to be able to overland with the system, winch and all.
I’m the first in line at my dealer with deposit down for a Pro. Really hope the price increase isn’t putting it in Tremor/Raptor territory. Leaning Tundra, but will heavily consider the F-150 offerings until we know all the Tundra specs.
Where did you put a deposit down?
I'm actually not expecting a big jump in pricing. And on a positive note. A Tundra will last twice as long as a Raptor.
@@curtthrasher5599 me too.. I think the Pro will come in around 60k or so at least what my dealers and the others I’ve talked to have indicated. Fingers crossed.. will be my 4th Toyota product. 2 4Runners and a GX460. Bulletproof!
@@AUav8r05 It has to come in around $60k fully loaded for a Trd Pro. The 2021 Raptor starts at a touch over $64k and this is nowhere near being a Raptor competitor.
@@user-pt6io2cq9n I would tend to agree!
HD tundra diesel with 10 speed transmission in year 3 revision or 5.7 limited production
That pick up truck looks AWESOMEEEEE !! They took the crown 👑 for the most styliest pickup truck in 2021 /2022.
Also to add, With the battery pack below the 2nd row seats. I wonder if the reasoning to this, is due to ease of maintenance if/when needed, compared to the F150 with it being between the trans and engine.
Toyota has over promised / under delivered. Not exactly the “World Beater” they claimed it would be. Let’s see how good the the fuel economy and pricing is. I won’t get my hopes up
I knew that the world beater claim was just absurd and I was right
I've been diehard Toyota truck fan for 25+ years. I do like the new Tundra but my disappointment with Toyota is growing. In the fiercely competitive truck market Toyota has, at best, caught up to the competition. Toyota's fans have been waiting for an eternity for the redesigned Tundra. The" big reveal" included: NO EPA fuel ratings, NO diesel option, NO ordering configurator, NO pricing, a hybrid battery system consuming interior storage (wtf), and then news the flagship hybrid power train and PRO model are unavailable for ??? months. All of the marketing hype can't hide the lack of substance. So disappointing.
Will the composite bed be heavier then the aluminum bed on the Ford? Will you be able to put a goose neck in the bed?
top trim levels either platnum or 1794 could of least had the option of 22' rims
I know they wanted to make the front aerodynamic , BUT , WHY DROP THE FRONT TOW HOOKS ?? Stupid !!
I really hope Toyota offers better than a 400 watt inverter in the Tundra at some point.
why? no one uses it and it's another expensive failure point when I can just use that "inverter" option $$ and buy me a reliable portable Honda generator and carry it on the bed. Even Andre said he doesn't even use it and he owns a Ford.
Think it looks much better with the matched paint surrounding the grill
I'm just very very curious what the hybrid will get MPG wise, and praying these powertrains are what's offered in the next generation 4Runner and Tacomas 🙏