Does The 2022 Toyota Tundra Crush The Ram 1500 On The World's Toughest Towing Test?
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0:00 Intro
0:38 Ram 1500 Backcountry Downhill
2:53 Ram 1500 - More Details
3:20 Toyota Tundra - More Details
3:58 - Ram 1500 Downhill Con'd.
5:44 Ram 1500 Backcountry Uphill
10:09 Toyota Tundra Downhill
14:00 Ram v. Tundra - Features
15:52 Toyota Tundra Uphill
19:32 TFL Best Truck competition!
19:48 Scoring & Verdict
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In one of the videos on the new Tundra can you guys pop the hood and point to the transmission cooler? Or point at it through the grill? I know Toyota it has been said that Toyota put the transmission cooler back in, but I have trust issues with manufacturers and large companies.
So, did you say the 2022 Tundra has “augmented sound”???
@@COMMANDER-ONE Yes, they did. And it does, because almost every, if not every, automaker does now. At least Toyota actually made it sound decent outside the truck too, instead of when Ford released the Ecoboost F-150 Raptor and when asked about it's exhaust note the Ford rep basically said, "It's a V6, what can you do." Implying no one could make a V6 sound good meanwhile Nissan had the fantastic sound VQ series of engines and the Camero V6 sounded awesome too.
@@The_Opinion_of_Matt thanks for the info.
@@COMMANDER-ONE Not a problem. Have a good rest of your weekend!
People commenting on these tests:
We want a truck that has these:
1: Sports car level acceleration
2: Rolls Royce level comfort and materials
3: 1 ton level payload and towing on a 1/2 ton truck
4: sound studio level quietness
5: Prius level fuel economy
6: Unimog off road capability and ground clearance.
7: NSA level technology with built in super computer.
8: A short long wheelbase, and a narrow wide body
9: Tow hooks, even though they are likely to never get used.
10: Can’t cost more than I paid for my 1988 Ford Fiesta.
Every truck brand engineer in the industry:
WTF is wrong with you people?
You nailed it
I want V8, front bench seats, electric mirrors (I'm spoiled) over 2k payload and over 10k towing capacity...
You're not wrong (and funny) but today's trucks are really amazing anyway. The 'back in my day' crowd can't seem to appreciate that you can go buy a half ton off the lot that will tow 10k lbs, do 0-60 in the 6 second range, get 19mph on a road trip, cool your taint off in the summer, stop you from crashing if you aren't paying attention, play anything from the world's library of music on demand, show you turn by turn navigation, redirect you to a gas or food stop at will and get you to a remote campsite over gnarly terrain. And if you want to spend a little bit more and give up 2k or that 10k towing you can go 0-60 in 5.5, do 60-80MPH offroad and jump your factory stock truck. It's a golden age of trucks and people still complain. :D
lol you got it man it won’t get many likes though since most people commenting are one of the people you listed lol
😂😂 all true.
I’m not upset about the lack of V8. I’m upset about the lack of video feed as you accelerated with the tundra. You cut out the best part of these videos.
100%
This! I noticed that right away. The augmented sound probably embarrassed itself
I think they had a vehicle in the way on the ramp
Complete opposite. The Toyota is 4th or 5th (if we separate Chevy & GMC) in the full-size segment from a sales volume standpoint. TFL has been giving Toyota so much air time across multiple threads, that I’m starting to believe that Toyota Corp is subsidizing these videos.
But they showed us how the Ram excellerated with a load--Again
My ‘14 Ram 1500 Crew Sport 4x4 was $48k new. I thought that was right at being stupid. I’m also thinking it was my last brand-new truck as they’ve all priced themselves out of my league. We need people to stop buying shit for a while.
I’m with you but unfortunately there are too many people that have more money than brains.
adjusted for inflation, today that would be 56,289...
@WomenHateShortMen it’s now $60 for a work truck. $1k a month for a truck? Higher gas prices and inflation added on what else can people do? They’re sick of being priced gouged by greedy dealers as well. I know a can’t afford one.
Talking about price these days is simply silly. Recently passed a Ford dealership that had an f-150 out front that they had tagged at 86k. That's not off the lot. That's pure insanity
Just paid 90k for my Ram 3500. It was 2k off sticker, which I was not happy with, but that is much better than the 15k ford was adding to their final price. Now mine is a fully loaded Limited Ram HO 3500. Never thought a truck would hit close to 100k.
My local Toyota dealer is charging 9k over MSRP for one.
I hear you guys estimating your throttle input many times. Why don’t you plug in a scanner and actually KNOW what your throttle input is? It would be easy with any of those OBDII scanners with a Bluetooth connector, or even have the wire out of the way and have the passenger take a look.
I made this comment a year ago and people in the comment section got mad at me even though it's simple to do and can be done for around $100. They can literally overlay any of the trucks data on the screen.
@@tpolarbeart I have a 20$ scan tool that can do that so yes they can
Easy, simple and accurate. Estimate will vary one car to the next so will the actual percentages.
I'm really curious how they came up with the scoring on this because it seemed like all their complaints were very minor.
-No tow hooks - Unless your truly off-roading you won't use those and you know there will eventually be aftermarket options
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-Large grille - I think aesthetics is personal preference and shouldn't affect scoring on a towing exam
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-Trailer brake location - There's literally two paddles to the trailer brake, you don't need to look at it to use it so complaining about how it's hidden is behind the steering wheel is ridiculous
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Overall it was quieter and and had a better feeling when towing over the RAM but yet still scored lower on a towing exam. I think they just don't want to admit that an American made Toyota is just as good as the big 3.
I would say 83/100 and 85/100 would mean it's right inline with the big 3.
To that point - 25 points available for break applications, 25 points available for time up hill, 25 points available for MPG Uphill, and lastly up to 25 points available for subjective opinion.
Don't think anyone said 83 points was not good nor impressive.
The Ram is all American made and the Tundra isn't . Both are nice Trucks as I drive a 2020 1500 Ram 4×4 off road package with the 5.7 Hemi and I love my Truck , the new Hidro blue 💙 turns heads .
@@jamestopeka2236 Toyota is a Japanese company. The Tundra is made in Texas ONLY. Ram is an italian company (FCA Italy) made in Warren Truck Plant in Warren, Michigan and at the Saltillo plant in Saltillo Mexico. THE TUNDRA IS MORE AMERICAN MADE!!!
@@bigfoot5268
My 2020 Ram says on the door made in America .
@@jamestopeka2236 That's great! Arrivederci Amico.
So the Tundra was at 2500 rpm’s and 40-50% throttle vs the Ram at 4K plus rpm’s and 80% throttle and the Tundra was quieter and loses the TOW test……..Fascinating.
And takes twin turbos and two more gears to get there with newer "supposed better technology" yet can barely beat an old school purod NA engine up a steep hill and get worse MPG doing so..... Go figure!!! NO replacement for displacement still stands I guess....
@@joatmon1857 it’s moving more air so it needs more fuel.
I'll choose the Tundra
@@joatmon1857 Absolutely. It proves what many Toyota enthusiasts have said all along: Toyota could have kept the legendary 5.7L and mated it to a 10 spd. transmission and achieved the same results without reliability concerns of a twin turbo setup.
Hemi all day long.
"Dear RAM, this is TFL trucks writing you to reassure you that we made sure not to let the new Tundra make your 1500 look bad. We found out that by using the wrong tow-mode we were able to decrease the Tundra's fuel economy result just enough to be lower than the RAM's. We also took points off the Tundra for not including tow hooks, even though practically nobody uses them. However, you should put some effort into making the RAM cabin quieter. The Tundra was so much quieter, so much more stable, had so much extra power on tap, and was clearly the better............... wait, what were we talking about again? Sincerely, your ever-faithful, TFL truck"
The 2022 Tundra’s have some major issues but im impressed with the Torque and Towing. I would like to test one just on the routes i use to tow my boat etc. Not many are going to be climbing major hills like the Ike .
Did you guys use the Tundra’s dual tow-mode capability? I saw TOW HAUL (for 5k lbs and under) but did you try TOW + (for 5k lbs and up)?
Great Question👍
Big goof gotta do it all over.
Hello, we will do more tow testing with the Tow+ mode in the coming weeks.
@@TFLtruck how you all declaring winners and not even using the proper feature for towing? Smh
@@adrianhosein7698 what would it have done? You saw where the engine was revving on the downhill, another gear would have put it past red line. Might have bumped acceleration slightly (increased throttle sensitivity).
Been anxious all week for this.
I used my 2013 to haul down my 8000lb mini excavator down this exact path. Gotta take my time but the 2013 tundra does really well for a 1/2 ton
And last forever
Your body style tundra actually have the biggest brakes of all the half ton trucks fyi.
@@Seasniffer69 really, so when the redesign came in 2014 they changed the brake size?
@@Seasniffer69 B
C w.
It would be good to see full towing stats on these videos, you used to show weight tickets. It be interesting to see pin weight compared to payload on the Toyota, and WDH weight transfer.
You guys are fast forwarding through a lot of the trip. I don't mind longer videos.
Based on their viewing data, I would hope they review, you and a few others may be the minority. I can't imagine they would cut a lot out if they haven't seen viewers skipping large portions of their videos. They can't please everyone, which I'm sure you're aware of.
I would enjoy a fuel economy test included with the IKE testing, fuel them before you start, drive them to, from, include the tests and fuel them after. You could leave both trucks run while you swap the trailer or whichever you need while you prepare for filming.
I would prefer to see the F150 3.5 vs the Tundra. The turbo will tow better with worse fuel economy so seeing those two head to head would be the best comparison.
The Ecoboost Tremor went up in 7:44 and about the same fuel mileage. 6 brake applications also. The PowerBoost was same mileage and brake applications but 7:57 going up due to lots of traffic.
I respect the comparison to the well known V8 Hemi
@@bobdennis4801 Thanks Bob!
maybe engine wise, but I think the Tundra will be a more stable platform for towing with it's heavier weight.
Toyota has better build quality and better history with hybrids unlike Ford….
All things being equal…wait a minute, there is one significant difference you didn’t mention. First, Toyota powertrain warranty - 60,000 miles vs Ram powertrain warranty - 100,000 miles. Second, the Ram’s 5.7 Hemi was introduced in 2003 and has since received updates and improvements to enhance performance and durability. The Toyota? All new engine, twin turbochargers, complex electronics…will it stand the test of time? It’s a gamble and, considering the price of trucks these days, the better bet is definitely Ram. Thanks as always for a great comparison test!
I guess I should have said TWO significant differences…
maybe rams newer than 2018 are more durable, but 2018 and below tend to suffer from lifter and cam issues around 100-120k miles.
also, long base powertrain warranties don't mean much, it's mostly marketing; i'd highly suggest reading the fine print on that 100k warranty
@@attananightshadow My 2014 Ram has 223k miles and I’ve had zero powertrain issues. I hear what you’re saying about warranty, you pretty much need to go to dealer for service for the first 100k. Well worth it IMO.
what did I said!? RAM WAS GOING TO BE FASTER UP THE MOUNTAIN AND GET BETTER GAS MILAGE !!!! who was the fellow that was arguing with me about this?
@Sleepybear723 lol ok sure, 20+ year old pushrod v8 map the floor with that rice grinder lol😆
@Sleepybear723 Ram all day. Toyota is a wannabe rice burner.
@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884 sounds racist to me
@@sammyjammy6647 you are what's wrong with todays society
The engine was designed to act like a diesel. The difference between this and the ecoboost is it will be reliable. Owned 2 ecoboost trucks and both had several issues. Ford slaps together a new motor every 6 months while Toyota spends 10 years perfecting 1.
If Toyota is so great, where is the 1 that Andrey drove home? The Tundra in this video has manufacturers plates. Did the Tundra break down already?
Best towing test on the internet. Period!
Yes and no.. the trailer weights keep changing from year to year, making it extremely hard to compare results from year to year.
I really wish they would make benchmark trailers with fixed weights for each class.
They can still do the "max tow" test too, but for more accurate testing from truck to truck, year to year, they need to eliminate some variables.
Nah. If there’s no traffic any truck can maintain the exact speed required to make the 8 min benchmark. Albeit some might be working more than the others but timing aspect is ambiguous
@@treyhart6861 the world is full of people that tow all types of stuff. Not near as many who tow max weight and the same weight year after year
@@Captndarty There haven't been some over the years that couldn't make 8 mins? Even without traffic delaying the run, I seem to remember some couldn't make it in the prescribed time.
@@treyhart6861 Check out Truck King Channel they test Trucks with same setup.
Andre is so funny!! Oh yeah!!😅 he's has the true American spirit! Loves his v8s!!
Im a Toyota owner/ believer but hold them accountable for any f*ck ups and i gotta say idk how the heck did the Tundra design team not include tow hooks in the front. Its a truck not a damn sedan. SMFH
You are so right!
I've owned 3 Tundras and the lack of tow hooks/front recovery points is keeping me from ordering the 2022 and has me shopping other brands. I think they underestimated the problem they created by omitting them from their 4X4s.
Supposedly, the front hooks were left off for... wait for it..... aerodynamics. 🙄
Most Japanese manufacturers put their tow hooks are under the front bumper. It’s not in your face like dodge products.
That and lack of front bench seats got me to buy Titan XD.
I liked the video, but I’m confused at the results. Is the score based on towing up and down the IKE Gauntlet or about the seats, tech and tow hooks. The scoring needs to be scientific as possible which means only assessing limited variables. The Tundra matched or exceeded the Ram in all towing perimeters with one exception…MPG. They admitted that they got slowed a few times on the Tundra as well which requires more fuel to get back up to speed going up hill. The MPGs were close enough that I would say they’re the same with the extra accelerations. Tundra matched downhill brakes. Tundra exceeded in sound, pulling and stability. Not to mention that it had more power ready according to Andre. I agree that the Ram has the best interior. No question. I find it ridiculous to do a towing test and assess which one wins based on interior. Just saying.
Our scoring is very specific.
- 25 pts for downhill: subtract a point for each brake application
- 25 pts for uphill time: subtract a point for each 5 seconds over 8 min.
- 25 pts for uphill MPG: subtract a point for each 0.2 MPG less than 6 MPG.
- 25 pts max Subjective score for each reviewer. Categories are:
-- towing technology
-- squat / suspension
-- visibility / mirrors
-- interior comfort / loudness
-- value
@My Pronoun is WTF Was performance the same? Both trucks came within a few seconds of each other in finishing but Andre said more than once that the Tundra had more extra power available, pretty substantially so.
We got a tundra engineer commenting 🤣🤣🤣 he’s mad
It's about the tow hooks man, no tow hooks, no deal.
@@percivalgooglyeyes6178 thank you
Yeah well that Ram lets you use the key fob for remote start without being forced to pay a subscription to use your key fob so there's that.
This needs to get more publicity
61-62 Decibels inside? That must be the best results! I don't remember u guys testing anything quiter!
Andre said that 60 was the lowest, but he didn't state which truck achieved that.
@@anthonyc1883 i don't any truck achieved that before. I think he was wrong.
@@JanBartos24 I agree.
@@JanBartos24 - Just because you have to be right? I know they made it to 60. You go review all the videos, back ohhhh 7 years and get back to us. Until then, I will go with Andre and 60 db.
They showed clips at 3200 rpm’s I wonder what it was at that but 62-66 db you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference
But I’m more interested in the fuel economy and they already just recalled them for power steering failure
Owned a ecoboost owned a ram own a Titan now and love the pure v8 and RC3 inch lift on 33s I get 18.2 on 95 Savannah ga to Wilmington nc
What I don’t understand is if you’re going to benchmark the new Tundra against an old V8 why not the outgoing Tundra and then the ecoboost. That’s the only two relevant comparisons in my opinion.
We will do more Tundra towing comparisons in the coming weeks. We currently did not have access to a Tundra V8 or an F-150 Ecoboost.
I love my v8 tundra but these new turbo trucks. Ford. Tundra. Are the trucks to buy if you need the best towing 1/2 ton. That tundra would’ve embarrassed that ram uphill if speed limits allowed.
@@Bostonharborwater Seems like it, based on Andre's comments about how much power seemed to still be on tap with the Tundra.
Watch the old videos
The penalized the Tundra for fuel milage while remarked it was much better than the ecoboost. So quieter and more fuel efficient than the ecoboost. Not bad at all. Nothing wrong with the Ram except it was way noisier both downhill and uphill. These are all important when towing long distances. I can't recall any Ike gauntlet test where any vehicle has ever been penalized for having no tow hooks whether it had them or not. It almost looks like you didn't want it to win. C'mon guys get a grip. And no I'm a Ram fan and have been for a while. Not so much Ford. Forget GM.
Will you run it again in Tow/Haul+ mode in the Tundra?
I grew up a hot rodder. Never had anything but V8’s. I’ve had an ecoboost since 2014. It has 238000kms. And without a doubt pulls harder than any 1/2 ton V8 and is soooo much quieter.
Ford Ecoboost trucks are excellent. I have a 2015 F-150 w/ the 3.5L … love the engine & transmission. 👍🏻
Chevy: Let's make a fugly truck. Toyota: Hold my beer.
WHAT!!??...THE RAM BEAT IT!??....WOW!!!
Another good video. The tundra has really never had the wow factor except maybe back in 07 when they introduced the 5.7 with a 6 speed but the domestics caught up in a few years. Reliability is the what differentiates the Tundra so it will be interesting to see how the redesign/turbos will hold up.
💯 we will have to see how reliability (Toyota's rep) coupled with not-so-durable (V6 on trucks and turbos) would turn out to be in the long term.
How will fuel economy be long run
@Jean Toronto Raptors true. This is the first one that tows though. Turbos too, kind of another issue altogether on its own. I really hope Toyota somehow cracked the code on the longevity issue surrounding that, but we will all know next year by this time when it has run a year with TFL?
I asked the same question on another channel....TRUCK KING....and a Lexus tech told me that he has seen this TTV6 for years in Lexus product and was very reliable. This is what he told me about 3 weeks ago.
@@mikefoehr235 I understand what you saying but the Lexus he is talking about is a unibody SUV witch is not as stressful on that engine I will go with the ford EcoBoost V6 it's been around for long time and all the links has been worked out. even though it's a Toyota you should never buy a first year product with new technology especially when it's a new engine platform
Turbos bring more heat, more maintenance. Im sure most people will not maintain them well enough to actually get good longevity.
Very valid point
You guys should do a 2.7 vs 2.7 test when you get the chance. Updated GM vs Ford. I4 vs V6.
That would be awesome. GM's new turbo I-4 is generating 420 pound feet of torque at 1500rpm. the 3.0 turbo diesel doesn't seem all that impressive anymore.... at least on paper!
Has GM ever told us if there is a new max tow rating for updated 2.7t? Or is it the same as the year prior just feels more peppy?
Just an engine and turbo revision. All else is virtually the same from what I have read.
100% would love to see this. Personally I think the ecoboost will take the cake but it would be a great comparison.
@@99-Zulu I believe they revised 2021-22 tow ratings which bumped up the 2.7 from what it was previously at (around 8k or so) to max of 9500 from what I recall.
Something that needs to be said about these turbo V6s. The fact that they make around 100lb-ft torque more than horse power , means the torque peaks early and then begins to drop a lot. HP and Torque being equal at 5200rpm ( also the peak of the HP in the Toyota) means that the torque is on a downslope very early in the RPM. It will be a good towing engine, but it will feel almost like a diesel, with very little use for building RPM.
@@mizzouxc3824 according to Toyota. I'm betting it loots very different on a dyno. Torque is likely falling off rapidly as low as 4000rpm
@@mizzouxc3824 what is the peak torque @ the wheels and at what RPM. Also what RPM is peak HP at.
What is the torque numbers at peak HP?
Sooo the Tundra yanked 8100lbs effortlessly up the “worlds toughest towing test”…but lost because tow hooks? #2021 #whatatimetobealive
I know they’ve always been biased, we all are. But this was one of the only ones where I’m really scratching my head.
Its only 7% not much of a grade.
yeah didn't make any sense to me as well!!.... it's almost like they have a bias towards Toyota in a lot of their past reviews...
They rated it the same as they have the F-150 Ecoboosts. These twin turbo trucks should be destroying that Ram 1500 V8, both in terms of time and fuel economy at 2 miles above sea level...yet they're NOT. Ram is bucking the trend of small displacement forced induction and this video PROVES why.
You’re acting like no tow hooks isn’t a big deal. It’s a HUGE deal! But what do Japanese companies know about off-roading or helping out someone who’s stranded or stuck? The RAM also climbed the hill effortlessly, it just does it differently because it’s a naturally aspirated v8. If a person was buying a truck to tow heavy all the time, especially at altitude, they are getting a heavy duty truck anyways. But I agree, all the twin turbo v6s do awesome on the Ike, those turbos help immensely at altitude and they make tons of power.
Will be cool if You make video of Toyota Tundra 5.7 v8 vs this truck for towing, off-road, and long trip mpg
Unfortunately regulations are pushing products on us the consumers don’t like. Cylinder deactivation, twin turbos, auto stop start, just so the sticker mpg is a little higher. Only to be more expensive and maybe slightly more efficient in the real world. Meanwhile we cruise ships that produce as much emissions as a small city running 24/7.
Good point
I concur....crap we don't need or want.
Toyota took two steps backwards. Dropping the 8 cylinder and the fugly grill. Keeping my limited night Ed, just pulled 11,400lbs no problem. The air suspension self-levels and works great.
Toyota has really disappointed me. First, they shrink the fuel tank in the truck that would actually fit in my garage from 32 to 26 gallons. Next, I hear they are planning on requiring a subscription to use things like remote start. Why don’t they go all the way and install a variable fuel tank dam that would further reduce fuel capacity, combined with a subscription that would allow for greater capacity IF the owner paid more (they could call it “the TRD Range-Max package”). They could also lock the driver’s lumbar support to maximum discomfort mode - unless you subscribe to their optional “driver comfort” package for only $9.99/Mo.
The subscription model will keep me away. I hear it started on 2018 models. Very disappointed about this. I wanted a hybrid with an 8ft bed in about 2 years.
Need to put the tundra against the 6.2 Chevy/gmc and the Ford 3.5 eb………
Not sure I understand how tow hooks fall under Tech, Nathan... Good test. Tundra did much better than the old one. Can't wait to see how the hybrid does.
Likely worse. They tested the F-150 hybrid against the Ram 1500 Hemi etorque and the F-150 had worse fuel economy. Hybrids are for cars like a Prius not for towing machines.
Lose points on tow hooks on a towing competition plus you said it felt the best and it came out average. Plus the RAM looks old
@@kennedyracing7527 Ram doesn't look old at all.
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 I can not get over the grill on the Tundra and the body is too chunky looking . Ram looks great in that color and I agree not old looking .
Tundra is the best looking truck on the market
This was a baffling result. They said that the tundra squatted less, was quieter, needed less driver input, was on easy mode towing, downshifted great, and still lost? I’m sure glad that’s tow hooks are what’s important in an ike gauntlet run…
How did it lose? Did I miss something. Same brake applications down and under 8 min up.
Why didn't we get the Tundra acceleration run like we did for the Ram? There are many stories on the Tundra's engine being underwhelming with acceleration, considering it has nearly the power of a Ford 3.5 Ecoboost. Also, on the sound reading on the Ram, it read 63.6 first and then 67 once near the windshield, very likely due to defroster being on. I'm not saying the Tundra did not do well, but it is not the knockout that was billed to be to take out the Big 3.
They did the run? Said it was slightly quicker than the ram but not as punchy as the ecoboost
A 10db increase = double the sound. Something along 4-5db can be a pretty noticable difference.
@@moose5.9 no, the showed the Ram's speedometer all the way up to 60. They cut away from the Toyota as soon as it started going up and it wasn't all that impressive.
@@hellkitty1014 so you didn't see the speedo but they still said the timing, I guess I don't see a difference
For all the new tundra hype; it sure seems very underwhelming. Toyota still playing catch-up which means they’re still way too far behind
Naw
Absolutely
The chief engineer said they’re not trying to play catch up with companies that have bigger budgets and engineering departments for trucks. They’re trying to improve their own truck which they did, Ike gauntlet score for previous gen tundra was 60
@@ZXSNIPERZ13 well when claims such as “world beater” are used I would expect better. Just my opinion
Tell me whos the most reliable? Answer its always toyota.
I was not surprised. The interior quality of the tundra is typical Toyota with cheap plastics everywhere. Maybe if that truck cost $45k that would be acceptable, but not at $57k. It's only one model up from the base truck with a couple of packages added to it.
I know many truck owners like console shifter. I prefer push button or dial. Saves console space.
I’m a Ram 1500 Hemi owner, as much as I love the sound of the v8, it definitely can’t compete with power of a turbo v6 at high elevation.
Toyota has decided to augment the sound, so unfortunately you will probably never hear the turbos
It can't compete, yet it gets better fuel economy and had a better timing score? Please elaborate on your logic...
more reliable than an aluminum twin turbo v6 for sure when it comes long term
@@orlandoduran7740 clearly you don't know much about the 5.7 hemi issues that creep in after about 100-120k miles. just search 5.7 hemi camshaft and lifter problems. you're welcome.
@@attananightshadow i know about the cam shaft lifter issue, it all comes down to maintenance , i have a guy at work with a 6.4 hemi in a ram , i asked him what oil he uses because he mentioned he gets a ticking noise now in the morning and then goes away. he said he doenst use the recommended oil . that goes to show you the many reasons why these engines fail, oil viscosity and quality is important because of the MDS system just like in the GM AFM. i know a guy that does hot shot with a 2019 1500 classic 5.7 and he got over 250k trouble free miles , just regular maintenance
I'm still getting used to my Ram's shifter but like the extra room in the center console not having the shifter there.
A column shifter would solve all these problems!
@@imnotusingmyrealname4566 No kidding. I don’t get why there’s so much hate towards them!
I didn't like the phantom shifting that the one I rented did. It was really frustrating trying to back up a trailer when it would shift its self into park repeatedly while you were trying to back into a tight spot. The towing was pretty good and I was impressed with the MPG. I ended up buying an F250 that has been a nightmare - I sold it after only 10 months. Breaking down repeatedly is more annoying than the phantom shifts! lol. But I still don't like the shifter dial. Maybe you can turn off the self-park shift thing on the ram??
Appreciate your real world test. Good to know that a Ram (maybe Ford or Chevy/GM) will prove to come out as far ahead of the Tundra as your test results did today. 👍🏼. The new Tundra is not the end all for those who think it is. PS, I’m glad I don’t have a turbofied engine for long term longevity reasons (very happy with my new truck as many think they’ll get better mileage w/ their smaller turbo engine or hybrid (yeah, likely) but does not guarantee lower cost ownership to naturally aspirated, overall / lifetime ownership.
We wanted to see the transmission temp on the new tundra compared with the 2021 you tested
Yes should have shown the trans cooler does work
As far as I know the 2022 don't have a transmission cooler which worries me a little but I may be wrong. I have a 2015 Tundra and pull a loaded toyhauler over the mountain all the Time in Tehachapi ca and Temps never get over half a gauge
@@brianj123458 they do have it. I test drove one on Friday and noticed the transcooler. It was a big deal breaker for me if they didn't have it.
Also the reason why I didn't get the f150 hybrid because it overheats when towing heavy.
We will do more testing related to this. The 2022 Tundra does not display transmission oil temperature. The ScanGauge we have is not setup to work with the new truck yet. The 2022 Tundra has a small auxiliary transmission oil cooler.
@@vikkzx ok thank you for the info I heard Tundra was getting rid of the cooler, since they still have one I may think about the hybrid when it comes out
Tried and true HEMI V8. That motor hasn't really been changed in almost 20 years. It just works and is reliable as hell.
It’s been around a long time, but never gets the main issues fixed. Awful exhaust manifold cracking/studs breaking. Worse, lifter/cam failures due to poor design cheap roller bearings with lack of lube at idle. And notorious ticking and clicking sounds making you really wonder. I have a 13 hemi. Mpg has always been real good though. I get 21 on the highway if I take it easy. Happy about that at least
@@Michael-rl5ki I've had the broken exhaust head bolts, but nothing besides that. My oldest HEMI has 218k and still going strong. I'd buy them again over the new small displacement twin turbo stuff.
@@oldnumber6 you got lucky then, they're well known to eat cams and lifters after roughly 100-120k miles. 200k and they're usually toast.
@@attananightshadow there's no way it's luck on 4 different vehicles spread across 18 years. Like I said, these things are tried and true.
Once again RAM RULES the day!!!👍🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
If they can stay outta the shop
RAM RULES..Says no one ever
@@doylee469 The only people who say RAM rules are ones that are in the know and use their brains to compare all manufacturers..
Your right just the day before it breaks
Tundra all day long.
My 15 Ram broke a T-case, multiple lifter springs, multiple exhaust manifold bolts (in the block), had many electrical issues.. but it was comfy and powerful when it did work.. sold it for pennies on the dollar at 120,000km.
I didn’t want a toyota but bought a new 17 Tundra.. its now at 155,000km. A/C compressor just went on it, but otherwise its been perfect, and looks/drives perfect. Its getting traded in for a 2022 tundra for $7K less than what I paid new 155,000 km ago.. cant go wrong with that.
Wife had a 16 SRT jeep but switched to a 4runner based on the experience we’ve had with the toyota.
In Australia we are getting the 3.6L twin turbo V6 diesel for the upcoming land cruiser so don't see why it couldn't fit into the Tundra
Excellent comparison. Also interesting info on the tuning of the Tundra's powertrain, i.e. seemingly less eager to take off like a scalded cat (in comparison to Ford's setup). I'm guessing Toyota is aiming to go for as much long term reliability as possible with the turbos on the new engine, hence keeping things more calm and stable.
Yet it did worse in terms of fuel economy than the Ram v8. This proves that Toyota could have added a 10 spd. transmission with the 5.7L v8 and still achieved about the same results with a naturally aspirated engine versus this twin turbo v6. That's a failure.
@@putmeincoach7663 - Nope. That 5.7 is exceptionally thirsty. They could have gotten closer, but the overall fuel economy day to day is the one that matters when it comes to CAFE standards. They would need the 10 speed and then much less aggressive gearing, but it would never get the overall economy the new V6s do and will get in the future. I like V8s as well, but you don’t think Toyota hadn’t thought what you just thought? They have an entire team that tests these theories in real life in mule trucks. This had been developed and perfected to their standards for the past 2+ years minimum. The sign if the times. I remember I n 1974 when I was in grade 6 the principal in our school had said there will no longer be V8s and full size trucks would be powered by 4 cylinder motors with induction like a supercharger or turbocharger, steaks would cost $10 each in the grocery store, gas would be $5 per gallon. All true!!
The GM full size trucks will have the 2.7 4 cylinder, (designed the same way a 4 cylinder turbo diesel is designed and made of the same cast material as the Duramax) 310 HP and 420 LB FT of torque!!! It will all happen nice and low in the power band where a truck needs it as well!! I am positive that truck will out perform the 5,3 litre V8!! The 5.3 has 355 hp and 383 lb ft of torque, but it happens much higher in the rev range. The 5.3 pulls decent mind you because for today’s V8s it has its torque peak and curve occurring about 1000 rpm lower than the Ford 5.0 for example. The 5.0 outperforms it overall though, especially unladen.
Times are changing. People gotta change with the times or they are road kill!! Pun intended, haha.
Turbos literally add mass complexity and absurd heat. Can you point to any Turbo charged motor that has 200k reliability? If there is, I must be missing it. My money says this will be the downturn for reliability for the Tundra
The engine is very different from the Ford. They're both turbo V6 but the tundra is built like a diesel with a long stroke and small bore that's not very high revving - the performance is much more diesel like. The Ford is a wide bore short stroke - more like a race car engine. The Ford engine is designed to be free revving and probably a good bit quicker in a drag race. The tundra engine seems to perform a lot like you'd expect from the engine specs.
@@xspower21 you could choose any commercial turbo diesel. They're pretty much all good way past 200k miles.
This version Tundra seems ok and on par with the competition, but I think the Hybrid version will be the show stopper.
No generator option unlike Ford, though.
@@baxs5076 why do you need a generator on a truck? Unless you live in Texas which has the electrical grid of a 3rd world country, I don't see many uses for it.
@@Rali852 That's why it would be a option for those that want it, it has proven to be a nice extra to have.
The power numbers look good, little puzzled by the older battery technology they went with, maybe costs.
@@Rali852 because I live in rural Georgia, which has the electrical grid of a third world country, ha ha.
@@Rali852 or California. They shut our power off everytime the wind blows. A huge miss for Toyota since the Ford can power the house. Toyota charges $395 for their 400 watts to power a hair dryer. Ford charges $775 to power a house.. and I'm not a Ford fan.
Another great Ike Gaunlet run by Andre & Nathan! Can't say I agree with the score's, but i definitely agree the lack of tow hooks on the Toyota is strange.
Yes and no, most people are never going to use them, most of those what will are already gonna replace the front and rear bumpers/add a winch. I can see why they went without it.
I agree, strange delete.
I’ve used the front tow hooks multiple times to pull other cars out of ditches. They work great when you use a proper tow strap.
@@CF_Sapper Nope, Vice makes an excellent hidden winch mount using stock bumper and tow hooks.Really keeps a stock clean look while keeping winch well kept and out of the way.I used one on my 2019 Rebel and now ordered one for my 2022 Ram 2500 which is now offered.Great small buisness,made in Canada and no I am not affiliated.
I'm fine with any engine that will accelerate that quickly and tow that well, V8 or TT V6. The Tundra (And Ram for that matter) V8s are proven reliable. If anyone can build a reliable engine as complex as their TT 3.5L, Toyota can but it hasn't been proven yet. Toyota needs to give that hotshot driver who racked up a million miles on his old 4.7L Tundra one of these new ones to instill some trust in the new powertrain. I also miss the days of simple inexpensive trucks. The base SR 4x4 at $40K puts me out of the market.
I'm holding on to my 2001 Tundra for the "simple inexpensive" aspect. Back then Toyota provided drain plugs on everything, room to work on it, and everything just works. The future of the hybrid is going to get nasty in 10 years when it's time to service all of that complexity and cost.
It is a Toyota is will be fine... they been making turbo Lexus for years
Respectfully sir, although the outgoing 3UR-FE engine has earned the “bulletproof” moniker, Toyota’s most legendary engines are turbos and their ability to build a reliable turbo engine is very well documented. This application of the V35A-FTS may be new in a truck but it is not new altogether; it’s been in service in the flagship LS500 since 2017. I don’t believe Toyota would stake the rep of the Tundra, LX, and Land Cruiser on an “unproven” engine.
@@aussie2uGA not really that hard to service. Batteries can even be replaced if you're an average mechanic and have a good tutorial video.
The 3.5 ecoboost is plenty reliable. Put 250k on my first one and never had an issue with it, the last 75k miles were tuned as well. Sold the truck to my nephew just over a year ago and it's arill going with no issues. Plenty of other with similar stories.
Ram all day
Love the Ike Gauntlet! Why are the turbo V6’s always less efficient than the V8’s? I would stick with the Hemi! I will keep the V8 sound as well! The Toyota did well though.
Someone I follow once said about the ford ecoboost...you can have economy or you can have boost but not Both!
@@jayrichards3672 I really don't know what made people think a turbo engine producing more power than the V8 would get better fuel economy. The only thing that really helped ford was switching from steel to aluminum.
@@CG_86 I totally agree. The ford v8 is 22 highway vs the ecoboost 24. So for 2 mpg your risking turbo failure x2 which will easily set you back 2k. Makes no sense. If the difference was like 22 mpg vs 30 mpg that makes way more sense. It might be justifiable but even then…
"There's no replacement for displacement"
@@kidzznks4281 Do the math in 200,000 miles that 2 miles per gallon turns into a few thousand dollars. There's a huge gas tax the democrats will pass before long. Fuel is only going up in the long run. Turbos are reliable and not hard to repair or replace with a little mechanical skills. I drive a v8 and am tired of spending 100 a week on fuel. I'll take the chance with a turbo next time if it gives me better economy and performance.
What surprised me was how calm, quiet and relaxed the Tundra sounded going up. It may not have scored higher but I'll still pick it over the Ram for towing ease.
my guess is the MPG gap will get bigger and bigger as you add weight to a turbo engine.....the v8 will do its thing.....this is why fords HD uses a 6.2 and 7.3 vs the more powerful 3.5 turbo in the f150.....along with durability....but toyata is known for durability so it will be interesting to see how long these turbo truck last in 10 yrs
Get the old Tundra while you still can! Legendary V8 and incredible reliability. 10 yrs from now it will hav incredible resale value!
V8 all the way...
I agree 👍
The Ram would be my first pick in the half ton class with the eco-diesel. But there’s no denying the new Tundra has game, with impressive Ike Gauntlet results(!) More competent truck competition drives each manufacturer to get better. This is the golden era of trucks.
That diesel is trash
Lool into Eco-diesel cam failures(among other things) and you'll want to rethink that.
@@atg1338 its been flawless pushing 39s, towing 6000lbs up a grade and incredible off road in my gladiator. I also get nearly 23mpg cruising at 70mph with a couple peoplea pug and gear under the tonneau.
When I tune it, it’ll get even better
@@tsslaporte thats a gen 2 issue
Appreciate the heads up about the Ram 1/2 ton diesel, it’ll pay to do my due diligence before putting any cash down for the power-train of my choice. The diesel would encompass what I’d want in a 1500 series.
Did you use tow/haul or tow/haul+ in the tundra?
The Tundra spinning ~2500 RPMs going up a 7% grade is what wins this competition for me. By a landslide. My current 5.7 Tundra would be screaming along just like the Ram in this video and it pains me every time I'm towing my 30ft trailer behind me. To hold 2500 RPMs would be incredible.
If the turbos are boosting around 12 psi in this video, they are effectively doubling the displacement of the engines at 7000 ft. elevation (roughly - there are inefficiencies, of course, in VE). A turbo 3.5 liter engine is now consuming close to the same amount of air as a 7 liter naturally aspirated engine would. The larger the amount of air, whether from displacement or forced induction, will require a larger amount of fuel. I'd expect the Tundra here is consuming more fuel than the Ram because it consuming more air. And making more power. And the difference in the RPM is indicating it is making a lot more power.
EXACTLY! Not to mention that they didn't use the proper Tow+ mode... Possibly if they had done that, the truck would have run up the hill in a lower gear at higher rpm, with less turbo boost. That might have been more fuel efficient.
Perhaps TFL knows this, tried this, and found it to be true, but couldn't let their RAM sponsor down, so they possibly ran the uphill test again, with the lower tow/haul mode on purpose in order to make it look worse................................ Just Sayin.....
That Hemi v8 it’s unbeatable. The ultimate proven engine.
Im a ram guy and ill hand it to the tundra at matching the brake applications. Ram has always been 2-6 applications (depending on trailer weight) with their 8 speed. All the ford and gm trucks with the 10 speed are always 8+. Obviously it has to due with toyotas grade-shift programming, but i just feel like the 10 speeds arent as good for towing because they are doing too much for fuel eco. The rams 8 speed has always performed amazing and usually does better holding the load. Im not surprised at the mpg difference either. The v6 works great unloaded, great mpg. But shown time and time again with the ecoboost and again here, v6 cant stay efficient and tow. It just stresses them more than the v8s and hence they get worse fuel eco every time
Having recently let go of my 2010 Tundra(worn out) and bought an F-150 max tow I’ll say this. The twin turbo v-6’s will destroy the v-8’s when it comes to keeping the weight moving up hills. I used my tundra for years in construction and pulled everything you can think of. People always say they are working harder with more stress but they’ve had a ton of the ecoboost go well over 250k miles with regular maintenance. We will certainly see how it holds up. But driving impressions are simple. The twin turbo 6’s blow away my previous experiences with v-8’s. The only people I’ve heard put them down are the people who haven’t owned one. Always been a yota guy, and will likely get the new tundra. But my current 2020 Max Tow 3.5 EB is an absolute beast. My neighbor has a 2018 Sierra with 6.2. He drove my Ford and told me the power is much better than his 6.2.
You know things have changed in the automotive world when you the thing that excites you the most is a console shifter.
I am so into quiet power ! Great test up the Ike ❤️👍
I always enjoy reading the comments about MPG. It makes me laugh when the mileage on the Lie O Meter is in your particular brands favor. How come nobody is asking for a hand calculation?
The Tundra will be behind the big 3 no matter what. Ram has the better truck right now. Toyota took a big step forward but dropped the ball on styling.
Nathan looks like a rock star, must be trying to up his image.
Ram is the best, hands down. It's everyone's truck of the year multiple years running now. Everyone else has allot of catchup to do.
Boom! 100% agree.
I must agree with Nathan on the tow hooks. As a person that lives in a very snowy climate where sliding off the road is a concern, having tow hook is useful; while maybe you wont ever use them, I rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them. It will save u hundreds of dollars from possible body damage and towing rescue fees.
Very impressed with the new Tundra the drivetrain and suspension makes it almost a completely new truck I’m happy that they finally put all the features that Ram and GM have been doing. 10 speed towing over a old 6 speed, curious to see what the transmission temps are because the old 6 speed is scary but they must be strong because they hold up.
Almost a new truck? It is a new truck. How's the old 6 speed scary? The AB60 transmission has an excellent track record. This new transmission has big shoes to fill in reliability.
So your excited they produced a truck that offers zero new innovation and just barely brings the truck to current day models??? This truck literally offers nothing that can't be found on 2020 truck models from other manufacturers. How is that impressive?
@@xk302a so it's not that it's missing anything, it's that nothing besides the hybrid power rating stands out. It on par or has less functionality/usability then the 2020 and 2021 models from the other manufacturers with ZERO new innovation. Why did we wait 15yrs, and I personally been waiting 3yrs to replace my 2011 Tundra for a Truck that is just average. This truck not even close to being a world beater as they advertised it. So now they want people to drop 60-70k on a truck that's not even really on the lot yet but it's already 2yrs out of date. Just don't make sense. It's almost as if the people designing the truck had zero experience driving trucks
@@xspower21 zero innovation? What innovation has other trucks brought? Ford put a bigger power inverter in their truck. A tacoma has had an inverter and a bed outlet since 2005. Ford has a hybrid truck which acts as a generator. Hello, Prius. Did you forget Chevy also had a hybrid truck a decade ago? Ram put coil springs in the rear of its truck. GM put coil springs in the back of their trucks decades ago. Ford put a flip forward armrest to act as a desk. 2000-2006 Tundra has had a flip forward armrest to act as a smaller desk. GM and Ram use cylinder deactivation. GM came out with that technology back in the 80s and it was called the 8-6-4. It was a total flop then and its a nightmare now for higher mileage engines. Man I really see the multi opening tailgate option being purchased and used like Crazy. You can thank old Station wagons and the Honda Ridgeline for that innovation.
Just because something seems new and innovative to you doesn't mean it is. A lot of this "innovation" has been around forever. As for your claim of "zero innovation," who else has a tailgate release on the side of the taillight you can bump with your elbow? Laser welded frame rails isn't innovative?
@@xk302a GM is the bottom of Reliability. Ford and Ram are both rated higher than Toyota in full size market.....
i would really like to see a city mpg test with the hybrid... i never tow and rarely use the highway in my truck
Hybrids aren't being released until march
@@primalj_2a433 The Dodge has the mild hybrid system ... he just showed it and its the second one they have had and i still have yet to see a city MPG
Then buy a car
@Daniel G As i suspected ...i did some research on Fuelly and the 5.7 Etorque average mpg is 16 and the 5.7 average also... 16... when the Etorque came out in 2018 as a 2019 model, i called it a transitional technology that will be replaced the following year and im very surprised it is still around ... although i have to admit i had high hopes it actually did something
Why do you need a truck if you don't tow EVER?
Of the 5 half ton Mfgrs the two best trucks for towing & highway mileage would be the Ram 3.0 liter Ecodiesel and Chevy 3.0 Duramax. I hope to see a test between them.
I don't think the little diesels are best for towing. I know a few guys that have/had them, and they complain about a lack of power.
A lack of power and overheating easy. I think both companies went a little too hard on efficiency with the 1/2 ton diesels and didn't emphasize power enough. Great for day to day highway driving but the towing issues are inexcusable
Yes I agree that would be a good comparison.
Power is sufficient for the limited capacity of a half ton platform. They just are not going to be as fast as a gasser. If you want fast buy the 6.2 or 5.7 or twin turbo 3.5s of Ford & Toyota. Toyota has a new small diesel they put in other vehicles. I suspect our government deterred them from putting it in the Tundra which is a shame. It could have been a great optional engine for it. Many wish Toyota would have kept the v8 as an optional power plant also.
Overheating is not an issue for the GM, past Ford 3.0 diesel, or the 2020+ RAM Ecodiesel. It was an unexcusable to use your term mistake of the first GEN ram ED due to putting the intercooler in front of the radiator. 🙄. Still not a big problem unless towing heavy and pushed to go fast up a long grade.
FWIW I tow new Airstream TTs commercially from their plant to their dealerships nationwide. Eight years 859,000 miles now on my 2014 econo diesel. At 65 or less towing economy is / was tops. With an engine & trans tune exhaust brake WDH & airbags great choice for light to moderate weight towing. Tuned it will tow as much as the Hemi. I did once take a 9,100 pound TT down the 5 from Portland to LA. Up and over 5 & 6 percent grades at Mount Shasta and up the grapevine. It averaged 14.0 mpg. With the Hemi it would have been 9.
It’s really just about choosing the best motor in each manufacturer’s line up for how you are going to use your truck. Unless you have a favorite then stick with those.
I have F150 with 3.0 diesel; never had any issues overheating even in 100 plus heat pulling thru Rockies. 3.0 has more towing power that 5.0 and with same trailer instead of 9 mpg I get about 17. I wouldn't trade it for anything except another diesel.
I think the next test should be the mpg towing loop against the Ram with max towing capacity 10.5k lbs
We plan to do more MPG and trailering MPG testing soon.
@@TFLtruck I can’t wait for the videos. Does that truck have the tow plus feature. Don’t remember you mentioning it in this video.
@@TFLtruck Try the Tow+ mode for christ sakes this time...
Love all of your guys videos, but on this one I can't help to wonder if the lower RPM on the Tundra during towing will help its reliability over the long run. While we all want the sound of an engine truly working, for $60k+ the truck better last a hell of a long time as well.
So I'm confused on how you loose points for no recovery hooks and seat material in a trailer towing comparison 🤔
More girls loving trucks these days. Lol
I Luv The HEMI V8 Engines. It has it's Distinct V8 Rumble Sound.
Just made my mind up for me on the Dodge Ram Laramie over the Tundra! Dodge so much better Truck in every aspect.
MOPAR BABY!!
No no what about Toyota reliably? You must have that
I cant entirely agree because being rated for strictly towing, tow hooks on the front make no difference and they said it towed better than the Ram. So for strictly towing it should have ranked higher.
Agreed. Tundra did better but lost because of tow hooks and a perceived lesser interior quality. That is pure horse shit.
Blame the engineers at toyota lol…even with v6 turbo still the same fuel economy with the V8
@@jannonapster120801 true but they didn't do the pump test for accuracy. We don't know how accurate the computer reading is and you will not tow 24-7.
@@jannonapster120801 well known fact that turbos do nothing for fuel economy when towing. Still, it was better than what they got in the ecoboost, but not sure what weight that was towing.
Biggest difference in the trucks in the video is the pulling power uphill. Tundra was able to maintain speed at 2500 RPM and about 40-50% throttle, having acceleration to spare. The Ram had to rev to 4200 RPM to maintain speed and about 80% throttle position according to his comments. The low end torque from the turbos shows it capability there. *IF* the mpg numbers from the trucks' computers are right I wouldn't even care is the Tundra was 10% less efficient making that pull at that low of an rpm with power to spare. Tundra has clear advantage on towing power to me, if I was buying a truck to pull loads up to 10,000lbs it's clear from watching which way I'd go.
19:26 did you see that! That’s something extremely rare. A Chevy Volt and it’s not on fire.
it is the chevy bolt that caught fire,not the chevy volt
So Toyota gets average score cause it doesn't have Tow Hooks? I remember Seinfeld episode, "FINE BY ME" but perhaps it's misplaced anger.
Yea i feel the same way ... Most ppl dont even use the damn tow hooks lol
Front tow hooks are for trucks that get stuck..lol
The tundra will never be best in class nor competitive to ford chevy and ram, tundras competition is the Nissan titan XD not the rest sadly. The numbers say it for itself too especially towing with tundra being higher than the Nissan but less than the big 3 by a good margin
The Toyota IS average. Where did it excel???
Toyota didn’t get an average score because it didn’t have tow hooks, it got an average score because it didn’t do anything exceptional.
Mopar or no car!
The all new Tundra is on par with the Ram which has been on the market for several years now. Seems like they didn’t do enough to stay competitive for very long.
Rams long term are junk! They don't last. Fall apart. So in the end what's more important? Having a steady reliable truck that had more than enough to get the job done or a truck with more features that always has problems? Kind of a no Brainer isn't it?
All the Toyota fanboys who trashed ford for the past 10 years for using a twin turbo v6 are now gushing about the new twin turbo v6 engine.
We wanna see tundra towing 11000 lbs with Ford
Someone pointed out on TFL's homepage that every RAM/Jeep/Dodge seems to post 4.7mpg. The Jeep Gladiator posted 4.7mpg for this test, the TRX posted 4.7mpg for this test, the Dodge Durango posted 4.7mpg for this test, the RAM 3.6L posted a 4.7MPG for this test, and now this test post 4.7mpg for this test. ALL TFL videos are basically the same towing test. It's as if RAM/Jeep/Dodge mpg gauge can't drop below 4.7mpg. No one finds this odd?
No because they've confirmed the fuel mileage at the pump more than once.
For comparison I've often heard it said that the Ecoboost should be Eco/Boost, as you have either eco or boost, not both.
I think they should take a closer look at this. It makes no sense that they would all be the same. Hopefully they see this and figure it out.
I can 't believe all the negative comments on the Toyotas griill when I found the tail gate and view up the side as fugly or worse. Talk about a truck that looks like a red headed step child!
I believe there is a simple explanation for why the rpms were higher in the Ram. If I remember right the Ram had 3.92 rear gears and an 8 speed auto. The Toyota had 3.31 gears and a ten speed transmission. That is a pretty big difference in gearing. For the normally aspirated v8 the lower gearing higher rpms works better.
For all the hype Toyotas have never impressed me enough to want to own one. My uncle bought a 5.7 Tundra and said it was nothing but trouble.
The Hemi keeps impressing me the uphill for an NA V8 is still under 8 minutes and the Ram 1500 got 6 brake applications same as the all new Tundra.
Must be a domestic fanboy
@@flight2k5 Not really we have a Subaru a Camaro and an 18 Tundra
@@Devcom88 I’m sure you do
@@flight2k5 Look at the videos of my channel only one missing is the Legacy but don't really think its an awe inspiring car to put on youtube. Then again I don't really need to prove anything to a salty angry child who reeeees at someones opinions on the internet that they don't agree with.
Remember, this was not the Super Ike. it is very rare for there to be a challenge on brake applications or uphill with the regular Ike the past 5 years.
Great review! I agree with what was said though- “Why did Toyota not put tow hooks on this nice truck?” Its kinda like wearing blue jeans that fit with out wearing a belt, the belt is there just in case the button pops off. Highly unlikely, but if it happened you sure wish you had the belt 😁.
And what I'm going to do with tow hooks if I just want to buy a truck because I like the looks like most truck owners do nowadays ?
@@texastravelers210 true
Question? The tundra has the TRD off road package? No tow hooks??
Man... toyota fanboys must be fuming... wait, after reading some comments, they definitely are. Lack of tow hooks. Sorry, but on a trd offroad package. They need to be mandatory. Toyota is making a truck that meets currents demands. It's not ground breaking by any stretch, doesn't blow away the competition and is just adequate, especially compared to the previous model year. That instrument cluster, man that thing looks like a base model. As for the shifter, bug deal, it's probably shift by wire like nearly every single new transmission is these days. Very few are still cable actuated. Interior is bland for a "limited" trim. Limited used to be top of the line, all the bells and whistles, now it's just a mid tier trim. The ram is the big horn, mid tier level trim, and looks way nicer. The radio is integrated much better, plastics look better, seats look nicer. Exterior, sorry but that big mouth grille is hideous.
Also the tundra has already been proven to be dead accurate on the Mpg, most manufacturers lie on their mpg computers. So I bet you it actually beat the ram.
If you watch the many videos that tfl does on their mpg loop, you wil see that almost all mpg readouts are within a few % up or down.
nice but i wish we could have seen and heard the full Tundra acceleration
Seems interesting that the TT V6 was loafing along at 2500 rpm while climbing under load! You sure you didn’t get a diesel model?
I wonder what the turbo temps were when you got to the top, and how many times you could do that before frying the turbos. Both great trucks!
It was over 3k later...:-)
I’m betting Toyota tested those *liquid cooled* turbos well beyond what any owner would do to them.
Toyota turbos are dual cooled and have an electric coolant pump for if you shut off the truck with the turbo still hot. Solid system!
How long for a rock to take out those radiators on the Tundra. The grill is so wide open and big.
Let’s see how the turbo engine holds up long term.
Turbo engines designed and engineered for turbos last just fine. It's not like the old days throwing turbos on a regular old motor lol.
its going to be inherently less reliable than an NA engine, more moving parts, greater pressures and stress. It will not be as reliable as the outgoing V8
I'm sure Toyota turbo engines will be more reliable than the Ford EcoBoost engines and the Ford EcoBoost engines don't seem to have any major reliability problems. I don't even like Ford that much. Also, what killed most turbo engines back in the day was insufficient cooling, poor engine fueling control, and shutting off the engine before letting the turbos cool down if it was worked hard. All of these problems have been solved today. The only question would be if the manufacturer cheaps out on the cooling system.
18 wheeler's can have turbos that last half a million miles. Turbos can be reliable.
The gen 1 EB need the turbos replaced around 120k. At least for the handful of people I know that own them. My 2017 has different turbos, so i am good there.
That said my oil pan is leaking, the front diff pinion seal is leaking, and my rear end has a hum off of acceleration. All at 50k miles.