Re babies being thrown down wells ---- they mustn't have stayed down there, because if they had, the wells would have spoiled and people would have stopped doing it. You can't just throw a body down a well and have it rot in there and keep getting decent water from it. People would have stopped doing it to preserve their wells. Conclusion: if the babies were being thrown down there, they weren't being left there.
How would her children then be a part of the equation? Not that it makes it impossible, but it would either require her to fake childbirth or replace real Nan at some point in her older days. (I highly doubt that child of the forest would actually crossbreed with humans without it soon becoming obvious that something is up)
@@ХъюгаНаумова Or have real child/human hybrids. (Though maybe there are other ways to get oneself to lactate?) Though with nobody really knowing when she showed up, she could be lying about her past entirely. Or used magic to make the story stick in the right peoples heads. It only gets more tinfoil from here really.
@@ХъюгаНаумова what do you think the pact was?no seriuosly i would be highly surprised if the pact between first man and children of the forest wasn't a marriage pact like there is way to many hints about children with one inhuman parent for that not to be the case like children of the night's king
@@andriusas90 what I mean is that you should expect the hybrid children to be distinkt and show clear signs of them not being entirely human. JRRM usually depicts biological and genetical details with great care, so it's unlikely he will forget about the consequences of interspecific hybridisation. There would also likely be multiple children with genetic disorders, miscarriages and the itty-bitty little detail of Children of the forest being wery slow at procreation by standards of human lifespan. I have no doubts that some blood from CHOF was mixed into human lineages, but an undercover child actually birthing four children (if I remember Nan's suns correctly) during mission, all in span of probably less than 50 years, and not blowing her cover completely is just ridiculous.
Mindblown, Mushroom supported Rhaenyra's line, probably knowing the PTWP would be born through her. Mushroom is totally a child of the foresr name too.
Alys Rivers is a candidate. She’s said to have been a wet nurse to Harwin, Larys, and possible even Lyonel Strong. I believe this is implying she’s a lot older than speculated. She also lives in Harrenhal which is adjacent to the God’s Eye and Isle of Faces, all which have close connections to the children of the forest.
Weasel is Leaf on her way back north. She was getting intel on the war, the crows, and spent some time with Arya. When the Mountain and his men captured the other kids, she snuck off into the woods, never to be seen again.
Oh man i really love this theory because it solidifies a theory i've had for a while, that all the magic in this story is part of the same origin. Fire and Ice, opposing sides, but dragonglass is fire made ice, Jon Snow has fire and ice heritage, comets streak across the skies like swords made of fire but are actually made of ice. The many faced god implies all gods and all religions are actually serving the same god, just in different disguises. So, following that train of thought, all magic in this story is different sides of blood magic. Dany's eggs only hatch after a funeral pyre, and it's been theorized that dragon binding is a form of blood magic that explains the targaryen incest and why they have dragon babies and are able to bond to dragons. On the other side of this coin, the magic of the children, of wargs, and of greenseers is all tied to the weirwoods, which also require blood sacrifices to function. The Others haven't been explained yet, but i suspect they are tied to the weirwoods somehow, possibly the consciousness of past greenseers that were kicked out of the weirwood net and put into a non living object, like ice. The children knowing how to glamour themselves makes me think they taught the faceless men how to do it, and since doing it would require a blood sacrifice, it's only natural that you just simply turn into the person you just killed, as that's the most practical thing to do. Also, yes the children are creepy af and possibly neutral to unintentionally evil. The books distinguish between Bloodraven and the 3 eyed crow, and treats them as separate with Bran believing them to be the same, but not really described as being the same. It's possible Leaf is the 3 eyed crow, going behind Bloodraven's back to influence Bran herself and get the outcomes she desires.
dear community, as i have officially turned into a fan of michael by now, i feel like we as a community should help michael to get more range to even be seen by people. we need shares, likes and clicks to enhance youtubes algorythm for his theories to reach more people! i am old and asoiaf is my passion for many years already. this is literally the only youtuber who ever got me wanting to actively participate in the creative exchange, after years of just silently reading and listening. you young folks should know how to help him better :o)
I agree that is part of it and how it is meant to be taken, but I think she is also implying the whole aspect of how the children view men as easy to manipulate. They spy on them through trees and control them via visions and have for a long time. I think them viewing men as the children is deeper than just age.
@@kennyhudson9201 Probably cause men breed like rabbits. Men had a numbers advantage, no amount of suggestion via visions or weirwood spying is gonna protect them from that. In this theory, they hide for two reasons, 1.) is because their suggestion and spying methods work much better if nobody knows it even happens, and 2.) because they fear that if the powerful players of the game of thrones find out about the fact that they're doing it and how they do it, the weirwoods are going to burn, all visions are going to be met with suspicion and there's going to be a westeros wide hunt for the rest of their kind.
if Old Nan is secretly a COTF, id actually argue that leaf herself is her! Saying she has been in disguise for a hundred or so years maybe specifically for Bran. id also like to think it is either revealed or HINTED at that maybe the real old nan died in the tragedy of summer hall, connecting her and dunk and the she wolves of Winterfell ect ect. Also sort of makes Hodor kind of more important in a weird way, like the show did, only this time more complex.
Old Nan is definitely a child of the forest. She knows all of the stories and she was right by Bran's side shaping him into the three eyed raven before he left on his epic journey.
Olenna Tyrell. She is described as a short old lady, Queen of Thorns is in line with Leaf and Nettles, and the implications of a Lords Paramount having CotF blood is massive. King Bran would certainly benefit from having the Reach on side. It would also set an interesting dynamic in Reach politics to have the Oldtown Andal style power bloc vs the nature themed CotF old magic power bloc. That parallels the Blackwood Bracken feud in the Riverlands, and kinda tracks with Ice and Fire.
@@ryennHUN thank you! I think it fits with the CotF as politically savvy. Growing Strong, indeed. I also really like the idea that Cersei is somewhat correct to be so paranoid of them. That rhymes with how Aerys was paranoid about how everyone hated him, but also everyone hated him.
The small crannogmen...so WHY did Howland Reed feel compelled to hone his "magic" at the Isle of Faces for months,then drop in on the Harrenhal tourney and find the Starks?The cotf hanging with the crannogmen?
Oh man Nettles is so cool! How exciting. I was gonna say Alys Rivers “The witch queen of Harrenhall” but i looked it up and honestly don’t know if that fits. She has some magic stuff going on but idk if it’s COTF stuff lol. So I have no idea, can’t wait for next episode.
That was Alys right? Aemonds paramour? She has a very similar description to Old Nan, in that she was a wet nurse who had been around for decades, was suspected to be about forty (if I’m remembering right), and like Old Nan nobody really remembered for whom she had first been hired to be a wet nurse for, further confounding her age. So, if Alys wasn’t a COTF, then I think Old Nan is her reincarnation. And if they both were, then perhaps they were actually the same person.
@@birtybonkers8918 George has outright stated that Dragon Blood is not required to ride a dragon. And that Nettles was supposed to make that more clear.
At no point did she say she was in disguise, she wandered but children of the forest could be amazing at staying hidden, there are trees scattered everywhere in Westeros for them to hide among
Glamours aren't exclusive from the children of the forest, Shiera Seastar's mother was rumored to be a witch that masked her appearance. Who knows? Shiera may still be alive helping Brynden as Quaithe. Essosi have access to glamours and future prediction magic.
@michaeltalksaboutstuff hello, hello... another absolute stunner! well done, exceptionally well done. i have NEVER, as of yet, heard a more plausible, well connected and interwoven essay on the cotf EVER before! BUT man, what did you do to us?? i was excited to (finally) see you had posted the next video. the wait nearly killed me, but i guess that is how it's supposed to be with all the good things. the theory had me hooked instantly. after like a third of the video i started grinning ever more broadly. around two thirds through it, i started to giggle and being more than tempted to pause this and comment... so glad i didn't because i was gonna make fun of you, because i thought you had missed the no.1 obvious candidate for a cotf... then you started telling that you know there's the most obvious one missing and of course she deserves at least her own video! so, you asked for people to give their guess in the comments, here's mine: of course it's old nan. she's described as being tiny, maybe the oldest person in westeros and all that, but that's easy to connect. to add all the rest with your theory in mind is what's fun! first the most obvious: her stories. she knows things no other living person even remembers, or has ever heard of. stories can be a kind of magic in themselves. that particular cotf could not even admit to real magic or such things as prophecy, the starks wouldn't have let anyone like that even near their kids. old nan was perfectly placed to see generations of starks grow up and influence their personality, character and even their desires right from the moment they were born. plus she simply disappears when the boltons take over the castle. it is specifically mentioned that they couldn't find old nan among the dead. the glamour part is interesting. my money would be on her knitting needles to be the equivalent to the armor of the lord of bones. she is still small, still old, and what is attributed to her the most apart from that is the sound of her needles. and what consequence that connection has on the long run! wow. that means, if we add the 200 years and go back, that same cotf would have to have been rohanne webber before. she was also described as being extremely short but way younger and more beautiful. and if THAT is also correct, then there's the proximity in which that puts said cotf to egg via dunk! so far i think we know of at least two cotf walking amongst men "pretending to be a person" . old nan, who might have been leaf all the time, which would match in every aspect if i didn't forget sth. and who -according to your personal opinion- just recently returned. it would fit. but if leaf is or was old nan, then there's still the ghost of high heart. living, walking and talking. could very long white hair, which has to be grown and can thus not simply be passed on, be used for a glamour? does it have to be a thing? what was described attributed to her when she turned up for the first time? i need to check for that, for sure! i think i remember some kind of walking stick dimly. (edit: rohanne was attributed with unusual long hair, too. dunk kept a lock of her hair. now i'm confused) and she is old and everyone knows that she was the woodswitch that came to court with jenny of oldstones and made the prophecy for the prince that was promised to be born of the line of aerys and rhaella. maybe she had to, because they were not actually supposed get married before that prophecy. so that's my first guess after listening to your theory. i am very sorry if i (maybe) spoiled too much, feel free to delete this instantly ^^ you asked for it, though! ugghhh... now i have to wait ANOTHER week for the next one... you are a very clever, but slightly mean person ;o) chapeau. edit: well, looks like i'm officially a fan now. just posted on reddit, ten minutes ago. 192 views so far. i wish you the best of luck!
@michaeltalksaboutstuff a few days past i came across sth that might be interesting, and it only took me a small eternity to find the passage: Arya chapter in asos, when she first is brought into the cave where beric and thoros are hiding: Her eyes had grown accustomed to blackness. When Harwin pulled the hood off her head, the ruddy glare inside the hollow hill made Arya blink like some stupid owl. A huge firepit had been dug in the center of the earthen floor, and its flames rose swirling and crackling toward the smoke-stained ceiling. The walls were equal parts stone and soil, with huge white roots twisting through them like a thousand slow pale snakes. People were emerging from between those roots as she watched; edging out from the shadows for a look at the captives, stepping from the mouths of pitch-black tunnels, popping out of crannies and crevices on all sides, in one place on the far side of the fire, the roots formed a kind of stairway up to a hollow in the earth where a man sat almost lost in the tangle of weirwood. Lem unhooded Gendry. "What is this place?" he asked. "An old place, deep and secret. A refuge where neither wolves nor lions come prowling." who is that man in the tangle of weirwood? (edit: a bit later on it seems like it was beric, but why would they call him a wizard when they can witness thoros doing the only magic?) and another question i have: the cotf obviously know some mean tricks, even if they only used bronze weapons. maybe it's the genetics again. maybe they can only produce females for some reason (as the others seem to have only males ever since the night's queen) and thus need their countersex for reproduction? same solution for both sides maybe? i need to think about that.
Doesn’t say Leaf has been disguised as a human, just that she walked the world of men. Could have just been sneaking around and hiding in our forests etc.
Can’t wait for Davos POV chapters in WoW. I bet he hits extremely rough seas and sees the “dead things in the water” mentioned in Qottar Pikes letter in Dance. Then finds rickon but is chased south by thousands of wights from nearby hardhome. I wonder if wights can sail ships, if so they’re definitely taking that nights watch fleet south good lord
Tyrion was joking about being spat out by a water witch. Tyrion doesnt believe in magic, and Tywin doesnt give any indication that he does either, and youd think he'd at least talk a bit about magic if he saw baby Tyrion fly out of a well on a torrent or water
the whole stories like bran the builder and the age of heroes theme is like a correspondence to the current timeline with bran and it just came to me could old nan and nettles be children in a glammer? Grumkins and STarks?
Old Nan tracks so well. Like if Children have been out in the world in disguise with the sole purpose of helping Bran realize his destiny, seems like one of the most important places to station one would be the boy’s bedchamber as he’s growing up
Having now watched a good amount of your videos I'd like to applaud you specifically because the memes you sprinkle into the video have grown increasingly more hilarious over time. "I just want you to stop saying odd $hit" made me do a real lol
You're absolutely right, the Children of the Forest and Old Gods are way creepier than most fans give them credit. LOVE the video! Hate the phrase "magic technology"
honestly i love the lore behind it. My favorite fan theory is that westeros is really a post apocalyptical society. And the magic is really like this ancient tech.,
Given He mostly wrote scifi otherwise . . . .ITS debunked by grrm WHO was quite adamant that ITS Not in the thousand worlds and in fact Fantasy and Not sci fi, but I get the Appeal of the headcanon
Thanks for laying this out. I have always suspected the children of the forest were questionable at best. Their tactics definitely seem to benefit only themselves through history so why should that change now??
Maggy the Frog - Maigi - seems to be related to Lady Sybill Spicer/Westerling and Jane Westerling, Rob's widdow. *Not a Child, but I think she studied at Shadow U. in Ashai!*
So, i kind of had this theory for a while about the children not only in Westeros, but everywhere being fundamental to human society and specially Valyrian or Ashaii ones, tho now im more convinced than ever... First, a few creatures are said to be interestingly white haired with red/purple eyes, some of them valyirians, some of them not, aka House of Dayne, some northern nobles i think and very much, children or possible CotF, like Ghost of High Heart, which is an interesting, but not unusual trait among children, specially the eyes and the fact that a possible member rode a dragon, mixed with a possible origin for them being cave wyrms or litteral worms, like the ones implied to be underground and under the sea even, then the question of who taught these white haired, purple or red eyed sheppards to ride and fly these incredible flamethrowing winged, horned worms, why they alone can connect to them, where does the fire come from, where did the ice powers of the white haired others come from? Children i think hold the answer to this song, more than any other group or being or race in the story, as for Ashaii, just seems interesting how that place with so many wonders falls flat to knowledge of a bunch of woods people to the point of some characters marveling at it and then the Maester who went there from Westeros and had no business becoming a litteral teacher to immortal witch people
This connects well with a theory that the lands of always winter is connected to the lands beyond the shadow or at the very least the children of the forest are related to the "skin walkers". Also a lot of the magic Melisandra uses is not the magic of Red Preists, so they could have been taught these types of magic such as glamours by the "skin walkers". This could also explain who the Valyrians learned their blood magic from. Powers like the greensight and waarging only present themselves (i believe) in people that possess the blood of the children or the green men. Meaning there are human children hybrids and there has probably been for thousands of years. This tracks well with your theory that there are children living at the bottom of these wells, considering the thousand year practice of "The first night" and the saying "There is power in kings blood". I understand why GRRM is taking so long with these books, it seems massively interconnected.
Also could Varys' "little birds" be candidates for COTF in disguise? They could easily be manipulating him for their own purposes and he's been around since the Mad King. Also Patchface is also a candidate but he could also just be an agent of the COTF. And I believe Hodor may be a COTF/Giant hybrid, simply because I've been watching a lot of Old Nan & Duncan the Tall theories. And Old Nan would be his mother posing as his grandmother.
It's cool to think that Leaf is saying she spent 200 years wandering human lands to talk to Bran, but the impression I got is that she's saying she's speaking the common tongue for Bran's benefit and then explaining how she learned the common tongue.
How about Howland? Everyone's guessing chick's but we know George likes to gender bend roles.... Howlands pretty pivotal. Not saying he's Leaf but certainly would have been in a lot of right places and right times
Interesting. I mean, on one hand we have a lot of secret identies already, but on the other, Leaf's comment is pretty clear here. There's just so much behind the scenes movement in this story. I wonder if they ever infiltrated the maesters ( along with everyone else ). I'd think an old-woman glamor could get hired as staff.
Missandei. An 11 year old who speak 19 languages, wise, voice like a song, golden greenish eyes. Often refers to herself as "this one". Nah. She a child of the Forrest. Maybe from a different area. But I don't think they're secluded to westeros.
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17:43 No, I think Leaf and the Ghost of High Heart are enemies, they are on the opposite sides of the Wall. Leaf is looking for Bran to replace Bloodraven, the Ghost of High Heart is looking for the Prince that was promised. GoHH must be a child from the Isle of Faces, meanwhile Leaf belongs to the North, on the side of the Three Eyed Raven, the main villain
I googled what Weir means and this popped up "dam in a stream or river to raise the water level or divert its flow." Which strengthens your theory about weirwoods being in the wall
Weasel, the war orphan, is a likely option. So many important characters seemed to be in that night’s watch caravan in ACOK. There are too many coincidences and all the details line up. Arya’s whole story in that book centered around deception and it would be really cool if the greatest deceiver wasn’t the faceless assassin Jaquen after all.
Maegi the Frog being a CotF would explain why no one could pronounce her name 🤔 there is also the Woods Witch wife of Harlon and Herndon the founders of House Tarly, she was a lover of those twins and as long as they were together, the men didn't age
There are so many good suggestions here in the comments of these videos I had no idea about. It is kinda cool how GRRM slips this same sorta thing all over in the world building so well. Agreed on the original name for Maegi. It matches perfectly with how COTF names are said to be and what a good cover story it is to say the child of the forest you just married on your trip is from far off in the east where Westerosi believe all sorts of strange creatures and people live.
I've toyed with this idea, I liked where Greyarea took it. Especially suggesting BR is kinda Daemon 2.0. I think I know who you're going to suggest, though there are a couple options. Instead I want to add to your list at the bottom. I think it's possible Lomas Longstrider was a CotF. The name makes the figure sound tall, but calling a short person "giant" has been done. There's only one explicit example of a child going through a well and that's Bran. Sacrifice or not, he was delivered to the CotF, not the Others. In fact, I think it's reasonable to consider the idea that the standing goal of the Others is to prevent babies from being delivered to them. Where Craster is concerned there is an interesting question. Is his Keep warded against wights by the CotF like the cave, or do the Others ignore him because he gives them gifts? I can see either arguement. As spies I don't think we need to dig into magic. GRRM has set up several examples od people hidinf in plain sight. Varys' little birds foe example. But he dresses Tyrion to look like a boy so he wouldn't be noticed. Arya's story in Harrenhal is also a good example of mundane artifice being more than enough to prevent odd features from being noticed. There is probably a parallel to be made between the methods used by the Faceless Men and those used by the CotF. As such I would suggest there is a parallel figure in the story that is a CotF pulling off something similar to Alchemist/Pate. A female figure though. I won't it for you.
Maggy especifically I don't think it's a child of the forest because the name they use seem like a bastardization of the essosi word Maegi, meaning witch. Not that it's ansolute or anything
I think Maggie the frog was just a woman. Cercies arc is, I think, more about her paranoia. I think it would be more fitting for the prophecy to be made up or false, the woman just a woman. It is a representation of Cerci's fear of other powerful women. I do think it would be poetic for Lief to be Old Nan. The nice old woman who has guided Bran, still guides him but is no longer pretending to be the nice old lady she was. I also like the idea that Nan says that Crows all lie, crows being representative of false info in the books. And then Bran makes his way to the Blood Raven, which is representative of fact. He goes from being lied to and manipulated to diving head first into the reality of the world. Thematically its also common in the books for people to confuse Crows and Ravens, again, thematically its about confusing fact and fiction.
Throwing a wild guess out there that Qybern is a CotF. He isn't big. He has more skill with odd things than he should. Master of Whispers is exactly what a CotF does. If he is one that can speak the common tongue, who is to say what language his little birds speak? Little birds hang out on tree branches just like leaves.
I am convinced that even Bran is not human, or Bran , more like someone took his body and using it. This is why the end of the series have a vibe of someone manipulated everything and danger is yet to come, humanity is in danger more than we thought....but we do have to see the ending of the books, if it ever happens.
At the very least I think he will be a merged mind of some sorts with the trees and it might come down to the parts of Bran in there fighting the trees for control... The human heart in conflict with itself
Preston Jacobs has mentioned thar Mushroom is in two places at once which seems an error. It'd be pretty cool if one is a CotF. Could be cool to see Tyrion in two places at once sometime.
A group of diminutive people who don't speak the common tongue? I wonder if Varys was getting hot tips from a child of the forest playing a little bird.
Merry Maz Duur potentially? A wich and has impact on the birth of dragons. Old Nan, but this honestly seems inconsequential. What would it change if it is Old Nan... Also mayhaps Walder Frey? He is far too old... But he commits a crime that old gods would never forgive, he kills guests... So i am not sure there.
Leaf literally says she spent ages waiting for the "Bran boy" & learns an entire language to communicate with him- you can work the rest out from there!🤣
I'm a TV only guy who loves lore, ya channel does wonders, but I do wonder if by removing nettles from hod there either changing this fact or giving that role to someone else, maybe Allison rivers 🤔
If Maggy the Frog is a CotF, then that would be proof positive that humans can breed with CotF, since she's a progenitor of House Spicer (and therefore related to Jeyne Westerling, Robb's wife)
I feel like the idea of the prince that was promised was what the timeline needed to get the right people into the right places so that is what the trees told the Ghost of High Heart to tell the Targaryens So like I don't think we will get confirmation anyone is the prince as much as people believing in the story that someone will fulfill it will drive their actions in the needed ways in the end.
I think the Prince that was promised is a metaphor for the pact. which was to supply the weirwoods with unwanted children especially lordly bastards (first night and all that).
@@JuanThunder79yeah I think it’s gillys baby boy, little Sam. He is a prince (child of incest) who was promised (by craster) to the others and they are coming south to claim him.
@@chrisrubin6445 yes deffo a good example of what the prophecy is on about. Gillys baby ticks all the boxes (as does Jon). I don't think the babies are the literal answer thougy because for example at the start of GOT the white Walkers seem to be on a mission to find someone (evidently not weymar) this is way before Gillys baby would have even been born. There's loads of very cool David Lightbringer videos on this subject and Im pretty sure Michael has covered it in a vid or two.
Do you think that Tyrion could be half child of the forest? Would explain his to the yellow eye. Also his fascination with the wall. Of his dwarf female companion? Wasn't she a vegetarian or maybe a warm controlling the pig and the dog? How about the kranogg men? Probably a lot of COF blood in them, right?
How do you feel about Syrio Forel being a child of the forest in disguise? He is smaller and bald in the books and has an odd accent, which could just be due to him being Braavosi.
No 1 is Melisandre ;) the date is 19 january, me first... Just imagine Leaf and Her as opposite ways of doing something, one is using the trees with people, other may be burning (the trees) it all maybe ?
Just imagine Melisandre and her faithful crew getting kicked out of the forests and being labeled heretics and then saying " Fine, then all start my own magic, with hookers and all ! " and leaving.
I have been able to identify some strong indisputable evidence for serval characters that are absolutely CotF. I’d love to share. But the explanation is long. Too long for this format. Is there a better way to share?
I mean if you made a reddit post I would assume some people would enjoy that. Usually long write ups in the fandom go there as far as I can tell. I also wouldn't be mad if you gave the video a mention in the post hahaha If you do comment it back as a reply here
Leaf is the mother of Rohanne Webber. That's why she had so many miscarriages. Tywin's eyes are even partly yellow, and the children's eyes are supposed to be green or yellow.
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Re babies being thrown down wells ---- they mustn't have stayed down there, because if they had, the wells would have spoiled and people would have stopped doing it. You can't just throw a body down a well and have it rot in there and keep getting decent water from it. People would have stopped doing it to preserve their wells. Conclusion: if the babies were being thrown down there, they weren't being left there.
The villagers just like baby soup I guess.
Old Nan. She’s been around for forever, and she taught Bran a lot through her stories.
How would her children then be a part of the equation? Not that it makes it impossible, but it would either require her to fake childbirth or replace real Nan at some point in her older days.
(I highly doubt that child of the forest would actually crossbreed with humans without it soon becoming obvious that something is up)
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Or have real child/human hybrids. (Though maybe there are other ways to get oneself to lactate?)
Though with nobody really knowing when she showed up, she could be lying about her past entirely. Or used magic to make the story stick in the right peoples heads.
It only gets more tinfoil from here really.
Hell yes it’s Old Nan.
@@ХъюгаНаумова what do you think the pact was?no seriuosly i would be highly surprised if the pact between first man and children of the forest wasn't a marriage pact like there is way to many hints about children with one inhuman parent for that not to be the case like children of the night's king
@@andriusas90 what I mean is that you should expect the hybrid children to be distinkt and show clear signs of them not being entirely human. JRRM usually depicts biological and genetical details with great care, so it's unlikely he will forget about the consequences of interspecific hybridisation. There would also likely be multiple children with genetic disorders, miscarriages and the itty-bitty little detail of Children of the forest being wery slow at procreation by standards of human lifespan.
I have no doubts that some blood from CHOF was mixed into human lineages, but an undercover child actually birthing four children (if I remember Nan's suns correctly) during mission, all in span of probably less than 50 years, and not blowing her cover completely is just ridiculous.
When you mentioned her being three feet tall, about 9 minutes in, my immediate thought was "Leaf is Mushroom?"
Me too
Mindblown, Mushroom supported Rhaenyra's line, probably knowing the PTWP would be born through her. Mushroom is totally a child of the foresr name too.
Alys Rivers is a candidate. She’s said to have been a wet nurse to Harwin, Larys, and possible even Lyonel Strong. I believe this is implying she’s a lot older than speculated. She also lives in Harrenhal which is adjacent to the God’s Eye and Isle of Faces, all which have close connections to the children of the forest.
I was curious what your thoughts are on Aemonds son?
Weasel is Leaf on her way back north. She was getting intel on the war, the crows, and spent some time with Arya. When the Mountain and his men captured the other kids, she snuck off into the woods, never to be seen again.
I feel like Weasel is way younger than Leaf would look, Weasel sounds like a three year old at most.
Aegon the Conqueror is two children of the forest in a trench coat
Oh man i really love this theory because it solidifies a theory i've had for a while, that all the magic in this story is part of the same origin. Fire and Ice, opposing sides, but dragonglass is fire made ice, Jon Snow has fire and ice heritage, comets streak across the skies like swords made of fire but are actually made of ice. The many faced god implies all gods and all religions are actually serving the same god, just in different disguises.
So, following that train of thought, all magic in this story is different sides of blood magic. Dany's eggs only hatch after a funeral pyre, and it's been theorized that dragon binding is a form of blood magic that explains the targaryen incest and why they have dragon babies and are able to bond to dragons.
On the other side of this coin, the magic of the children, of wargs, and of greenseers is all tied to the weirwoods, which also require blood sacrifices to function. The Others haven't been explained yet, but i suspect they are tied to the weirwoods somehow, possibly the consciousness of past greenseers that were kicked out of the weirwood net and put into a non living object, like ice. The children knowing how to glamour themselves makes me think they taught the faceless men how to do it, and since doing it would require a blood sacrifice, it's only natural that you just simply turn into the person you just killed, as that's the most practical thing to do.
Also, yes the children are creepy af and possibly neutral to unintentionally evil. The books distinguish between Bloodraven and the 3 eyed crow, and treats them as separate with Bran believing them to be the same, but not really described as being the same. It's possible Leaf is the 3 eyed crow, going behind Bloodraven's back to influence Bran herself and get the outcomes she desires.
dear community,
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i am old and asoiaf is my passion for many years already. this is literally the only youtuber who ever got me wanting to actively participate in the creative exchange, after years of just silently reading and listening. you young folks should know how to help him better :o)
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You're not old... Old people don't play minecraf
@@RondaGregoire well... those who started minecraft when it first came up because their kids showed it to them actually ARE old ^^
She says 'men are the children' because Meera seemed struck by the fact she was at least 200 years old. She's like, yeah I'm old, you're the child.
I agree that is part of it and how it is meant to be taken, but I think she is also implying the whole aspect of how the children view men as easy to manipulate. They spy on them through trees and control them via visions and have for a long time. I think them viewing men as the children is deeper than just age.
@@michaeltalksaboutstuff Then why do they hide in caves? Why are they, along with giants, direwolves, and mammoths dying out?
@@kennyhudson9201 Probably cause men breed like rabbits. Men had a numbers advantage, no amount of suggestion via visions or weirwood spying is gonna protect them from that.
In this theory, they hide for two reasons, 1.) is because their suggestion and spying methods work much better if nobody knows it even happens, and 2.) because they fear that if the powerful players of the game of thrones find out about the fact that they're doing it and how they do it, the weirwoods are going to burn, all visions are going to be met with suspicion and there's going to be a westeros wide hunt for the rest of their kind.
if Old Nan is secretly a COTF, id actually argue that leaf herself is her! Saying she has been in disguise for a hundred or so years maybe specifically for Bran.
id also like to think it is either revealed or HINTED at that maybe the real old nan died in the tragedy of summer hall, connecting her and dunk and the she wolves of Winterfell ect ect. Also sort of makes Hodor kind of more important in a weird way, like the show did, only this time more complex.
Old Nan is definitely a child of the forest. She knows all of the stories and she was right by Bran's side shaping him into the three eyed raven before he left on his epic journey.
Olenna Tyrell. She is described as a short old lady, Queen of Thorns is in line with Leaf and Nettles, and the implications of a Lords Paramount having CotF blood is massive.
King Bran would certainly benefit from having the Reach on side.
It would also set an interesting dynamic in Reach politics to have the Oldtown Andal style power bloc vs the nature themed CotF old magic power bloc. That parallels the Blackwood Bracken feud in the Riverlands, and kinda tracks with Ice and Fire.
That is actually smart. It could explain why the Reach is so good with agriculture. Could be magical.
@@ryennHUN thank you! I think it fits with the CotF as politically savvy. Growing Strong, indeed.
I also really like the idea that Cersei is somewhat correct to be so paranoid of them. That rhymes with how Aerys was paranoid about how everyone hated him, but also everyone hated him.
what happend to the actualle Olenna Redwyne though?
Of note, Loras Tyrell is describe as having liquid gold eyes.
I also believe dany's handmaid missandai is also a child of the forest... she's described as a one
The small crannogmen...so WHY did Howland Reed feel compelled to hone his "magic" at the Isle of Faces for months,then drop in on the Harrenhal tourney and find the Starks?The cotf hanging with the crannogmen?
I've thought the crannogmen are child-human hybrids who, through their isolation, have retained more of the children in their blood than other houses.
Having just watched HOTD and now this. Alys Rivers gives off leaf vibes lol helped to make sure Daemon stayed on the path which would lead to Bran
Oh man Nettles is so cool! How exciting. I was gonna say Alys Rivers “The witch queen of Harrenhall” but i looked it up and honestly don’t know if that fits. She has some magic stuff going on but idk if it’s COTF stuff lol. So I have no idea, can’t wait for next episode.
That was Alys right? Aemonds paramour?
She has a very similar description to Old Nan, in that she was a wet nurse who had been around for decades, was suspected to be about forty (if I’m remembering right), and like Old Nan nobody really remembered for whom she had first been hired to be a wet nurse for, further confounding her age.
So, if Alys wasn’t a COTF, then I think Old Nan is her reincarnation. And if they both were, then perhaps they were actually the same person.
Nettles is a dragonrider and that implies Valyrian blood. I don’t buy that COTF can ride dragons.
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George has outright stated that Dragon Blood is not required to ride a dragon. And that Nettles was supposed to make that more clear.
Are you sure he didnt say they didnt have to be a targaryen? would love to see a link for that.
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This is for sure one of the better channels on RUclips discussing GOT theories.
At no point did she say she was in disguise, she wandered but children of the forest could be amazing at staying hidden, there are trees scattered everywhere in Westeros for them to hide among
Glamours aren't exclusive from the children of the forest, Shiera Seastar's mother was rumored to be a witch that masked her appearance. Who knows? Shiera may still be alive helping Brynden as Quaithe. Essosi have access to glamours and future prediction magic.
Man.... Once again phenomenal. I love ur videos buddy.
@michaeltalksaboutstuff hello, hello... another absolute stunner! well done, exceptionally well done. i have NEVER, as of yet, heard a more plausible, well connected and interwoven essay on the cotf EVER before!
BUT man, what did you do to us?? i was excited to (finally) see you had posted the next video. the wait nearly killed me, but i guess that is how it's supposed to be with all the good things. the theory had me hooked instantly. after like a third of the video i started grinning ever more broadly. around two thirds through it, i started to giggle and being more than tempted to pause this and comment... so glad i didn't because i was gonna make fun of you, because i thought you had missed the no.1 obvious candidate for a cotf... then you started telling that you know there's the most obvious one missing and of course she deserves at least her own video!
so, you asked for people to give their guess in the comments, here's mine:
of course it's old nan. she's described as being tiny, maybe the oldest person in westeros and all that, but that's easy to connect.
to add all the rest with your theory in mind is what's fun!
first the most obvious: her stories. she knows things no other living person even remembers, or has ever heard of. stories can be a kind of magic in themselves. that particular cotf could not even admit to real magic or such things as prophecy, the starks wouldn't have let anyone like that even near their kids. old nan was perfectly placed to see generations of starks grow up and influence their personality, character and even their desires right from the moment they were born.
plus she simply disappears when the boltons take over the castle. it is specifically mentioned that they couldn't find old nan among the dead.
the glamour part is interesting. my money would be on her knitting needles to be the equivalent to the armor of the lord of bones. she is still small, still old, and what is attributed to her the most apart from that is the sound of her needles.
and what consequence that connection has on the long run! wow.
that means, if we add the 200 years and go back, that same cotf would have to have been rohanne webber before. she was also described as being extremely short but way younger and more beautiful. and if THAT is also correct, then there's the proximity in which that puts said cotf to egg via dunk!
so far i think we know of at least two cotf walking amongst men "pretending to be a person" .
old nan, who might have been leaf all the time, which would match in every aspect if i didn't forget sth. and who -according to your personal opinion- just recently returned. it would fit.
but if leaf is or was old nan, then there's still the ghost of high heart.
living, walking and talking. could very long white hair, which has to be grown and can thus not simply be passed on, be used for a glamour? does it have to be a thing? what was described attributed to her when she turned up for the first time? i need to check for that, for sure! i think i remember some kind of walking stick dimly.
(edit: rohanne was attributed with unusual long hair, too. dunk kept a lock of her hair. now i'm confused)
and she is old and everyone knows that she was the woodswitch that came to court with jenny of oldstones and made the prophecy for the prince that was promised to be born of the line of aerys and rhaella. maybe she had to, because they were not actually supposed get married before that prophecy.
so that's my first guess after listening to your theory. i am very sorry if i (maybe) spoiled too much, feel free to delete this instantly ^^ you asked for it, though!
ugghhh... now i have to wait ANOTHER week for the next one... you are a very clever, but slightly mean person ;o) chapeau.
edit: well, looks like i'm officially a fan now. just posted on reddit, ten minutes ago. 192 views so far. i wish you the best of luck!
@michaeltalksaboutstuff a few days past i came across sth that might be interesting, and it only took me a small eternity to find the passage:
Arya chapter in asos, when she first is brought into the cave where beric and thoros are hiding:
Her eyes had grown accustomed to blackness. When Harwin pulled the hood off her
head, the ruddy glare inside the hollow hill made Arya blink like some stupid owl.
A huge firepit had been dug in the center of the earthen floor, and its flames rose swirling and
crackling toward the smoke-stained ceiling. The walls were equal parts stone and soil, with huge
white roots twisting through them like a thousand slow pale snakes. People were emerging from
between those roots as she watched; edging out from the shadows for a look at the captives,
stepping from the mouths of pitch-black tunnels, popping out of crannies and crevices on all
sides, in one place on the far side of the fire, the roots formed a kind of stairway up to a hollow
in the earth where a man sat almost lost in the tangle of weirwood.
Lem unhooded Gendry. "What is this place?" he asked.
"An old place, deep and secret. A refuge where neither wolves nor lions come prowling."
who is that man in the tangle of weirwood?
(edit: a bit later on it seems like it was beric, but why would they call him a wizard when they can witness thoros doing the only magic?)
and another question i have: the cotf obviously know some mean tricks, even if they only used bronze weapons. maybe it's the genetics again. maybe they can only produce females for some reason (as the others seem to have only males ever since the night's queen) and thus need their countersex for reproduction? same solution for both sides maybe? i need to think about that.
Love your videos Micheal. ❤keep up the good work.
Big fan.
Doesn’t say Leaf has been disguised as a human, just that she walked the world of men. Could have just been sneaking around and hiding in our forests etc.
Can’t wait for Davos POV chapters in WoW. I bet he hits extremely rough seas and sees the “dead things in the water” mentioned in Qottar Pikes letter in Dance. Then finds rickon but is chased south by thousands of wights from nearby hardhome. I wonder if wights can sail ships, if so they’re definitely taking that nights watch fleet south good lord
"Really Old Nan" confirmed!
I'm guessing your number one will be Millsandra but a bigger bomb might be that Varis little birds were infiltrated by a singer
One of the dwarves that stole the dragon egg at Whitewall might have been Leaf using a glamour
Shiara Seastar... Makes sense that that is how they lured Blood Raven into the north and away from the Night's Watch
I don't think she's there to "help" Bran, more like recruiting Bran.
Who else could be children of the forest in disguise? I guess some woodswitches like the Ghost of the High Heart. Maybe some dwarf jesters
Tyrion was joking about being spat out by a water witch. Tyrion doesnt believe in magic, and Tywin doesnt give any indication that he does either, and youd think he'd at least talk a bit about magic if he saw baby Tyrion fly out of a well on a torrent or water
Old Nan. Nobody even has a guess at how old she is. She couldve been at winterfell the whole time.
one thing I have to say about the children of the forest in the series is the makeup is beautifully done. they look pretty awesome 🌳🍂🍃
the whole stories like bran the builder and the age of heroes theme is like a correspondence to the current timeline with bran and it just came to me could old nan and nettles be children in a glammer? Grumkins and STarks?
Old Nan tracks so well. Like if Children have been out in the world in disguise with the sole purpose of helping Bran realize his destiny, seems like one of the most important places to station one would be the boy’s bedchamber as he’s growing up
Having now watched a good amount of your videos I'd like to applaud you specifically because the memes you sprinkle into the video have grown increasingly more hilarious over time. "I just want you to stop saying odd $hit" made me do a real lol
You're absolutely right, the Children of the Forest and Old Gods are way creepier than most fans give them credit.
LOVE the video!
Hate the phrase "magic technology"
honestly i love the lore behind it. My favorite fan theory is that westeros is really a post apocalyptical society. And the magic is really like this ancient tech.,
Given He mostly wrote scifi otherwise . . . .ITS debunked by grrm WHO was quite adamant that ITS Not in the thousand worlds and in fact Fantasy and Not sci fi, but I get the Appeal of the headcanon
@@SingingSealRiana you have numbers in your name. sorry disregard
Thanks for laying this out. I have always suspected the children of the forest were questionable at best. Their tactics definitely seem to benefit only themselves through history so why should that change now??
I have a few thoughts. The stinky dwarf who stole the egg. Not serious, but it gave me a giggle.
Serious guess, Lady Webber, she's so very short.
Look up Frog Gods in Mythology and Folklore. Frogs were very old mother/creation goddesses. It was super prevalent Egypt.
I love binge watching your videos ❤❤
Maggy the Frog - Maigi - seems to be related to Lady Sybill Spicer/Westerling and Jane Westerling, Rob's widdow. *Not a Child, but I think she studied at Shadow U. in Ashai!*
Grumpkins? Well if you are on social media, you already know what a snark is!
Besides Nettles, have any of these travelled?
I would imagine the Children would have some fey-like restrictions to their behavior.
So, i kind of had this theory for a while about the children not only in Westeros, but everywhere being fundamental to human society and specially Valyrian or Ashaii ones, tho now im more convinced than ever...
First, a few creatures are said to be interestingly white haired with red/purple eyes, some of them valyirians, some of them not, aka House of Dayne, some northern nobles i think and very much, children or possible CotF, like Ghost of High Heart, which is an interesting, but not unusual trait among children, specially the eyes and the fact that a possible member rode a dragon, mixed with a possible origin for them being cave wyrms or litteral worms, like the ones implied to be underground and under the sea even, then the question of who taught these white haired, purple or red eyed sheppards to ride and fly these incredible flamethrowing winged, horned worms, why they alone can connect to them, where does the fire come from, where did the ice powers of the white haired others come from?
Children i think hold the answer to this song, more than any other group or being or race in the story, as for Ashaii, just seems interesting how that place with so many wonders falls flat to knowledge of a bunch of woods people to the point of some characters marveling at it and then the Maester who went there from Westeros and had no business becoming a litteral teacher to immortal witch people
This connects well with a theory that the lands of always winter is connected to the lands beyond the shadow or at the very least the children of the forest are related to the "skin walkers".
Also a lot of the magic Melisandra uses is not the magic of Red Preists, so they could have been taught these types of magic such as glamours by the "skin walkers". This could also explain who the Valyrians learned their blood magic from.
Powers like the greensight and waarging only present themselves (i believe) in people that possess the blood of the children or the green men. Meaning there are human children hybrids and there has probably been for thousands of years. This tracks well with your theory that there are children living at the bottom of these wells, considering the thousand year practice of "The first night" and the saying "There is power in kings blood".
I understand why GRRM is taking so long with these books, it seems massively interconnected.
Also could Varys' "little birds" be candidates for COTF in disguise? They could easily be manipulating him for their own purposes and he's been around since the Mad King.
Also Patchface is also a candidate but he could also just be an agent of the COTF.
And I believe Hodor may be a COTF/Giant hybrid, simply because I've been watching a lot of Old Nan & Duncan the Tall theories. And Old Nan would be his mother posing as his grandmother.
Hvala!
It's cool to think that Leaf is saying she spent 200 years wandering human lands to talk to Bran, but the impression I got is that she's saying she's speaking the common tongue for Bran's benefit and then explaining how she learned the common tongue.
How about Howland? Everyone's guessing chick's but we know George likes to gender bend roles.... Howlands pretty pivotal. Not saying he's Leaf but certainly would have been in a lot of right places and right times
I am not certain that Leaf would have been maintaining her own glamor. And yeah she needs an object link.
Yeah, Old Nan has to be a descendant of the Children of the Forest.
Missandei. If you read closely, you see where she also influences events, particularly after Daenerys flies away on Drogon.
Interesting. I mean, on one hand we have a lot of secret identies already, but on the other, Leaf's comment is pretty clear here. There's just so much behind the scenes movement in this story. I wonder if they ever infiltrated the maesters ( along with everyone else ). I'd think an old-woman glamor could get hired as staff.
Basically Leaf is everyone. She's the night king She's king Robert She's Ned Stark... she's all the dire wolves
She's probably even Bran
Which POV character do you think first witnesses the God’s Eye/Isle of Faces? And under what circumstances? Or do we never see it directly?
Missandei. An 11 year old who speak 19 languages, wise, voice like a song, golden greenish eyes. Often refers to herself as "this one". Nah. She a child of the Forrest. Maybe from a different area. But I don't think they're secluded to westeros.
17:43 No, I think Leaf and the Ghost of High Heart are enemies, they are on the opposite sides of the Wall. Leaf is looking for Bran to replace Bloodraven, the Ghost of High Heart is looking for the Prince that was promised. GoHH must be a child from the Isle of Faces, meanwhile Leaf belongs to the North, on the side of the Three Eyed Raven, the main villain
I googled what Weir means and this popped up
"dam in a stream or river to raise the water level or divert its flow."
Which strengthens your theory about weirwoods being in the wall
Weasel, the war orphan, is a likely option. So many important characters seemed to be in that night’s watch caravan in ACOK. There are too many coincidences and all the details line up. Arya’s whole story in that book centered around deception and it would be really cool if the greatest deceiver wasn’t the faceless assassin Jaquen after all.
Old Nan is my Guess. Even though she is allegedly Hodor's grandmother. Could she not at some point been a substitution by the Glimoured Leaf?
New theory u locked: sir Robert strong = leaf on stilts wearing a huge armor
Maegi the Frog being a CotF would explain why no one could pronounce her name 🤔 there is also the Woods Witch wife of Harlon and Herndon the founders of House Tarly, she was a lover of those twins and as long as they were together, the men didn't age
There are so many good suggestions here in the comments of these videos I had no idea about. It is kinda cool how GRRM slips this same sorta thing all over in the world building so well.
Agreed on the original name for Maegi. It matches perfectly with how COTF names are said to be and what a good cover story it is to say the child of the forest you just married on your trip is from far off in the east where Westerosi believe all sorts of strange creatures and people live.
I liked Leaf. This is a character of ASOIAF that I wish was explored more in depth.
This echos Arya disguise in Harrenhall. And the information she gathered along with subtle influence of events.
I've toyed with this idea, I liked where Greyarea took it. Especially suggesting BR is kinda Daemon 2.0.
I think I know who you're going to suggest, though there are a couple options. Instead I want to add to your list at the bottom. I think it's possible Lomas Longstrider was a CotF. The name makes the figure sound tall, but calling a short person "giant" has been done.
There's only one explicit example of a child going through a well and that's Bran. Sacrifice or not, he was delivered to the CotF, not the Others. In fact, I think it's reasonable to consider the idea that the standing goal of the Others is to prevent babies from being delivered to them. Where Craster is concerned there is an interesting question. Is his Keep warded against wights by the CotF like the cave, or do the Others ignore him because he gives them gifts? I can see either arguement.
As spies I don't think we need to dig into magic. GRRM has set up several examples od people hidinf in plain sight. Varys' little birds foe example. But he dresses Tyrion to look like a boy so he wouldn't be noticed. Arya's story in Harrenhal is also a good example of mundane artifice being more than enough to prevent odd features from being noticed. There is probably a parallel to be made between the methods used by the Faceless Men and those used by the CotF. As such I would suggest there is a parallel figure in the story that is a CotF pulling off something similar to Alchemist/Pate. A female figure though. I won't it for you.
Great vid. Fun theory.
Maggy especifically I don't think it's a child of the forest because the name they use seem like a bastardization of the essosi word Maegi, meaning witch. Not that it's ansolute or anything
I think Maggie the frog was just a woman. Cercies arc is, I think, more about her paranoia. I think it would be more fitting for the prophecy to be made up or false, the woman just a woman. It is a representation of Cerci's fear of other powerful women. I do think it would be poetic for Lief to be Old Nan. The nice old woman who has guided Bran, still guides him but is no longer pretending to be the nice old lady she was.
I also like the idea that Nan says that Crows all lie, crows being representative of false info in the books. And then Bran makes his way to the Blood Raven, which is representative of fact. He goes from being lied to and manipulated to diving head first into the reality of the world. Thematically its also common in the books for people to confuse Crows and Ravens, again, thematically its about confusing fact and fiction.
Awesome Video man!
The Children of the Forest are like entities. Shapeshifters. Manipulators. Witches.
Throwing a wild guess out there that Qybern is a CotF. He isn't big. He has more skill with odd things than he should. Master of Whispers is exactly what a CotF does. If he is one that can speak the common tongue, who is to say what language his little birds speak? Little birds hang out on tree branches just like leaves.
I am convinced that even Bran is not human, or Bran , more like someone took his body and using it. This is why the end of the series have a vibe of someone manipulated everything and danger is yet to come, humanity is in danger more than we thought....but we do have to see the ending of the books, if it ever happens.
At the very least I think he will be a merged mind of some sorts with the trees and it might come down to the parts of Bran in there fighting the trees for control... The human heart in conflict with itself
Tyrion, he was not thrown back up as a baby, he was glimmered
Preston Jacobs has mentioned thar Mushroom is in two places at once which seems an error. It'd be pretty cool if one is a CotF. Could be cool to see Tyrion in two places at once sometime.
A group of diminutive people who don't speak the common tongue? I wonder if Varys was getting hot tips from a child of the forest playing a little bird.
Merry Maz Duur potentially? A wich and has impact on the birth of dragons. Old Nan, but this honestly seems inconsequential. What would it change if it is Old Nan... Also mayhaps Walder Frey? He is far too old... But he commits a crime that old gods would never forgive, he kills guests... So i am not sure there.
Leaf literally says she spent ages waiting for the "Bran boy" & learns an entire language to communicate with him- you can work the rest out from there!🤣
I'm a TV only guy who loves lore, ya channel does wonders, but I do wonder if by removing nettles from hod there either changing this fact or giving that role to someone else, maybe Allison rivers 🤔
If Maggy the Frog is a CotF, then that would be proof positive that humans can breed with CotF, since she's a progenitor of House Spicer (and therefore related to Jeyne Westerling, Robb's wife)
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do you really think jon is the prince that was promised? that always felt like show fanfiction to me
I feel like the idea of the prince that was promised was what the timeline needed to get the right people into the right places so that is what the trees told the Ghost of High Heart to tell the Targaryens
So like I don't think we will get confirmation anyone is the prince as much as people believing in the story that someone will fulfill it will drive their actions in the needed ways in the end.
I think the Prince that was promised is a metaphor for the pact. which was to supply the weirwoods with unwanted children especially lordly bastards (first night and all that).
@@JuanThunder79yeah I think it’s gillys baby boy, little Sam. He is a prince (child of incest) who was promised (by craster) to the others and they are coming south to claim him.
@@chrisrubin6445 yes deffo a good example of what the prophecy is on about. Gillys baby ticks all the boxes (as does Jon). I don't think the babies are the literal answer thougy because for example at the start of GOT the white Walkers seem to be on a mission to find someone (evidently not weymar) this is way before Gillys baby would have even been born. There's loads of very cool David Lightbringer videos on this subject and Im pretty sure Michael has covered it in a vid or two.
Sorry just got to the end. Milisandra is my guess lol. Wait... That means they are both existing at the same time.... I'm stick to that guess lol
If not leaf, could nettles be a dragonseed that is half cotf?
George was pissed that the show skipped over Jay II in the show, and that was his only mandate for HotD is to rectify that.
Maybe Mirri Maz Duur could be a Child of the Forest?
Missandai ?
I agree with all of this...except I don't think Nettles Number 1 is old Nan
Old Nan is my #1
Maggy the frog was a maegi from Essos and the mother of the first lord Spicer.
Do you think that Tyrion could be half child of the forest? Would explain his to the yellow eye. Also his fascination with the wall. Of his dwarf female companion? Wasn't she a vegetarian or maybe a warm controlling the pig and the dog?
How about the kranogg men? Probably a lot of COF blood in them, right?
How do you feel about Syrio Forel being a child of the forest in disguise? He is smaller and bald in the books and has an odd accent, which could just be due to him being Braavosi.
I definitely think it is Old Nan. Had anyone considered that Tyrion might be a grumkin? It would explain a few strange things about him.
Real Tyrione was lost to that well he was thrown in by Tywin,woods witch spit out the grumpkin,changeling of sorts from Irish myth
No 1 is Melisandre ;) the date is 19 january, me first... Just imagine Leaf and Her as opposite ways of doing something, one is using the trees with people, other may be burning (the trees) it all maybe ?
Just imagine Melisandre and her faithful crew getting kicked out of the forests and being labeled heretics and then saying " Fine, then all start my own magic, with hookers and all ! " and leaving.
Old Nan COTF confirmed?
You're right, in the show Maggy is SO HOT😂😂
Named Sheepstealer. Sheep or lambs are classic symbols of sacrifice. Sheepstealer steals away the sacrificial lambs, mayhaps?
Nan. What about Wex?
Old Nan. Easy pick.
I have been able to identify some strong indisputable evidence for serval characters that are absolutely CotF. I’d love to share. But the explanation is long. Too long for this format. Is there a better way to share?
I mean if you made a reddit post I would assume some people would enjoy that. Usually long write ups in the fandom go there as far as I can tell. I also wouldn't be mad if you gave the video a mention in the post hahaha
If you do comment it back as a reply here
Leaf is the mother of Rohanne Webber. That's why she had so many miscarriages. Tywin's eyes are even partly yellow, and the children's eyes are supposed to be green or yellow.
Leaf is Nettles. I stick by that theory. 😂