I have been following various ASOIAF theorists for nearly 7 years now and can confirm that David has been at the forefront of some of the most important & lesser known theories. David is the first person I have heard to go out on a limb and propose the Great Empire of the Dawn theory and many other creators credit LML when speaking about this. David we appreciate you continuing to keep the topic alive and interesting. Wishing you great success!
"Ah yes, Maester Lightbringer. His work truly was extensive, fanciful and intriguing, but he was clearly mad. It's no wonder The Citadel threw him from the battlements, literally"
The fragmentary notes of a pureile scribe suggest the Conclave tolerated his works for some time. Until whispers began to spread of strange smells and lights emanating from his laboratory at all hours. Some weeks later, from the novices at Quill and Tankard to the dockside sailors, rumours of a sorcerous brew sickening many were traced to selfsame laboratory. The beloved maester proclaimed his innocence, insisting he was close to perfecting the formulae for a magical laxative, said to move even the hardest of bowels within a fortnight. Needless to say, the Conclave was not long in handing down the most sharp of punishments.
@@TheCinamanicit is said that these fell words are still whispered as parts of arcane rituals beyond the ken of man, deep in the darkest halls of Asshai
Minor thought: since the white of the tower topped by red flame is similar to a weirwood, the fact that it was rebuilt higher and higher is similar to a weirwood growing.
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Watching now. I just want to know one thing (it's been on my mind recently because I was showing your videos to my brother). When do you sleep? Do you sleep? Love your videos and livestreams!
Awesome video. So much intrigue in Oldtown and with the Hightowers. Highly anticipating this part of the story to pop off in TWOW and find out what secrets are revealed and which are left to the imaginations of us all. Appreciate the consistent and engaging content.
Yet another amazing video, David. For some reason, I binge your stuff every winter. BTW, some of your newer music reminds me of Hot Rod by Peaches. Not a bad thing to sound like Peaches!
Casterly Rock may be another example of ancient dragon lords using dragons to dig tunnels in rock, inhabited by a people with GEOTD features and an unclear origin. Light hair, gem colored eyes. It also fits as an outpost near a trading hub, near Lannisport. It may also have a lighthouse-like structure on that top.
The fortified trading outpost was also the main form of Portuguese colonialism. They established fortified trading outposts in west Africa, goa, and coastal Brazil, where the they traded for Brazilwood before they ever began with the sugar plantations
I am listening to the audiobooks for the 10th time and just passed where Jorah mentions that his wife looked like Daenerys and I was imagining that she had to have had similar hair.
I'm glad they didn't make the Hightowers silvery-haired in the show tbh, given how many other main characters have those features. It would have made it harder to tell people apart imo
I really don't get that. Just by showing their house colors through their clothing and accessories, plus the characters they are mostly associated with, they wouldn't have been hard to differentiate at all
7 great empire of the dawn emporers (not counting the bloodstone emperor who was evil), and 7 gods in the faith of the seven. hmmmm. potential link there?
@DavidLightbringer I'm thinking maybe there's links between the andels and the faith of the seven with the high towers and daynes, assuming the high towers and daynes are secret numenoreans. I envisage that the geotd was noble and just for 7 generations, and in that time they spread West from asshai. Then when the 8th emperor came into power, it was coincidentally the same time tgeotd was starting to colonize westeros. A group similar in concept to tolkiens elf friend numenoreans move West to escape the bloodstone emperor. One "elf friend" group winds up in battle isle, one in Valeria, and 1 becomes the basis for the andals and the faith of the seven.
I like to think someone will sneak into the Hightower and upon walking onto the top floor veranda, sees there is either a weirwood that has grown up through the centre of the tower. That or at some point a glassbower dragon made a reeeeaaallly long glass candle that also runs the length of the entire tower, being drawn from the "stone" at the bedrock. And the "beacon" at the top is really something weird resultant from the massive glass candle/magic amplification stave that runs all the way up
@@petergriffn149 thank you my fellow lore-hound🤓. One might think with a name like "Oldtown," it might be a dreary place, but ideas like that are just one reason that Oldtown is so cool. I think it's almost as awesome to think about as Volantis or Yeen!
I propose that the GEOTD achieved dragon binding via magical artifacts (e.g. magic dragon horns). Azor Ahai sought skin changing magic in Westeros to gain pure magic control over dragons. Eventually and much later, Valyria perfected a hereditary dragon bond via soul stuffing their ancestors into dragons.
Did you see disputed lands' videos on Lorath and of the maesters? She theorizes that the original maesters were slaves(Peremore's pets), which is dark and creepy. And she did connect the mazemakers of Lorath to the battle isle in another video. Since you two are the best asoiaf theorists out there, i often end up trying to mash your theories together. For example, i think its very likely that the iron born may have come from fisher queens( mashing both your ideas together) Its really fun
NO!!! he didn't at all!! This is a paraphrase but he basically said "naysayers think Ill never finish it and maybe they're right- but I still plan to and I feel like I've got a while to live". That little "maybe not" has been taken way out of contest by folks looking to get mad and clickbait
The Stark crown is the grove of nine and the last hero. Nine iron swords and one bronze. Reminds me of how Donnell Noye says that bonze is weak but pretty and iron is strong but won't bend. Humans are weak and the weirwoods are powerful yet fragile. Just a thought.
10:57 big Sen's Fortress vibes 26:15 This is not meant as lewdness, nor a lame jest, but I find the choice of words in the innuendo very fitting considering the word for 'scabbard' from the classical Latin being what it is.
Serwyn once saved Princess Daeryssa from giants Daeryssa is a very Targaryian name. so a Hightower / dane might have a Great Empire of Dawn ancestor...
Funniest thing is, I don't even like fantasy, or remember anything from the books or the show, but somehow, good sir, you have become one of my favorite podcasts. If I could only suggest something, it would be to engage in a bit more George bashing because apparently sending out good thoughts in his general direction doesn't seem to inspire him enough to finish the series 😊 otherwise, keep it up!
Could the hightower be a homage to a weirwood (og green version) and the tunnels an old root system similar to bloodraven's cave? The quote you pulled about the earliest version made of wood & rose fifty feet above the fused fortress, was it made of rose & wood, one of George's wordplays? And the livestream with Eldric and the house of black & white, if bloodraven's cave is the white half, could this have been the black? Could the hightower's be hooked up to a weirwood (even if just a stump) instead/as well as a glass candle? Or was this an outpost of asshai which needed to be cut off? If the eponymous battle was inside the weirwood net that could be a cool parallel to what you've suggested bran could face towards the end game. It would be interesting if this was a separation of the weirwood net between westeros & essos too, as the wall is from westeros and the north (northeros?). The cotf connections to both are drawing parallels in my head, ice in north, water in south. The cotf trying to protect the land from both sides with the same breaking but with different methods. Either way, great vid, got me thinking, andl oving the art and all the hightower visuals you commissioned!! 👍
Torrentine and tourmaline sound really similar, and while tourmaline are known for their yellow color they come in black, green, purple, blue, bi-colored...
Okay, tinfoil hats on… I think George may have finished the whole series during COVID lockdown and he’s just being paid more to not release it yet. How many channels on RUclips are mostly if not completely about the amount of fun we get to have in the not knowing? It’s like JJ’s mystery box, but ultimately/hopefully less disappointing, cause they’ll have had the patience and forethought to leave us a genuinely interesting and thoroughly market tested cultural artifact in the box 😂
LML I’m curious if your familiar with the 2nd edition D&D campaign setting: Birthright Specifically I’m curious of your familiarity with some minor n some major similarities between that setting and the Westeros GRRM shared with us Love your work as always Merry Christmas 🎄🎁
how come your map has a westward arrow for the movement of Asshai/GEOTD folks to Oldtown? Surely they went east across the sea, instead of sailing all the way around the world. I thing GRRM initially intended Dani to go 'east to go west' through asshai and to westeros from that direction, which is also the way the hightower and dayne ancestors must have.
If the Daynes were founded by a fallen star, maybe that's more symbolism for their "Fall from Grace" with the Dragon Lords. Falling away from the high and mighty empire? Maybe Dawn is a stolen sword?!
to me it's only a question of how many times Dawn was stolen, lol. I think Bloodstone took it from his empire to Westeros (he caused the Long Night so he "stole" the dawn) but was defeated by the last hero, and I think the last hero had to steal that sword back from him to beat him, just as Ned defeated Arthur and then took possession of Dawn - I'm guessing Ned struck the final blow with Dawn in a reenactment of the last hero. but we'll have to see
I have been following various ASOIAF theorists for nearly 7 years now and can confirm that David has been at the forefront of some of the most important & lesser known theories. David is the first person I have heard to go out on a limb and propose the Great Empire of the Dawn theory and many other creators credit LML when speaking about this. David we appreciate you continuing to keep the topic alive and interesting. Wishing you great success!
"Ah yes, Maester Lightbringer. His work truly was extensive, fanciful and intriguing, but he was clearly mad. It's no wonder The Citadel threw him from the battlements, literally"
"MMMAAAARWWWYYYYYNNnnnnnnnn........"
*plop*
@DavidLightbringer I was trying to figure out what you'd be screaming on the way down, no doubt something insane and ludicrous
He was called 'That Lightbringer Guy" by his foes
The fragmentary notes of a pureile scribe suggest the Conclave tolerated his works for some time. Until whispers began to spread of strange smells and lights emanating from his laboratory at all hours. Some weeks later, from the novices at Quill and Tankard to the dockside sailors, rumours of a sorcerous brew sickening many were traced to selfsame laboratory. The beloved maester proclaimed his innocence, insisting he was close to perfecting the formulae for a magical laxative, said to move even the hardest of bowels within a fortnight. Needless to say, the Conclave was not long in handing down the most sharp of punishments.
@@TheCinamanicit is said that these fell words are still whispered as parts of arcane rituals beyond the ken of man, deep in the darkest halls of Asshai
love oldtown and its ancient mysteries… watching on the stairmaster, climbing the proverbial hightower, as i watch!
Nice symbolism
speak that knowledge wordman
Minor thought: since the white of the tower topped by red flame is similar to a weirwood, the fact that it was rebuilt higher and higher is similar to a weirwood growing.
So early perfect timing to listen as I decorate my green witchy Christmas tree ;)
Praise Garth
Always 💨💨🌌
The man himself has blessed us once again
We in here !
Im in this comment section like dragons were in Battle Isle
This is by far one of my favorite videos you’ve made. Amazing as always 🎉
oh thank you Alonna that means a lot 💚
Just opened my phone to watch an lml video, perfect timing!
Starts at your old place
0:04 it's a slowly burning joint.
the best kine
at first i thought the title was "origins of downtown" and i was worried someone had given up the age old secrets of House Clown
😂
One of my absolute favorite topics!
Looking fresh David Timberlake, clearly EDM is good for the human skin. Praise Garth
omg im so excited for this!!
I hope Hightower has elevators cos my ass would not be going up and down all those steps
that's why Leyton never comes down haha
@DavidLightbringer he's so real for that 🤣
Praise Garth! 😩🍃
Blessings of the WeirNet upon you
Babe, LML's biggest vid of 2024 just dropped!
It's Church of Starry Wisdom time!
Mysterious Old Gods of Oldtown, please accept this algorithmic offering ✨️🤲🐉
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I wish i had someone to wake up and chatter endlessly about Westeros secret Numenorians about 😢😖
Guess it's off to the Citadel for me!
Choice content … as always!
While i might not know the band, i know youre freaking awesome friend!
thank you!!
Praise Garth!! So much intrigue in this corner of Westeros 🧐
Nothing better than seeing a brand spanking new LML video sparkling in the queue! ✨💫
Watching now. I just want to know one thing (it's been on my mind recently because I was showing your videos to my brother). When do you sleep? Do you sleep? Love your videos and livestreams!
my sleep is but a rumor haha
Awesome video. So much intrigue in Oldtown and with the Hightowers. Highly anticipating this part of the story to pop off in TWOW and find out what secrets are revealed and which are left to the imaginations of us all. Appreciate the consistent and engaging content.
🎉🎉🎉 merry Christmas to all of us, thanks for the massive video Dave 🤘
Love it praise Garth algo boost
Here we go!!
The old town citadel has a library of Alexandria vibe ... And we know what happens to the library 😢
@david lightbringer thank you for another banger!
GET IN LOSERS DAVID DROPPED ANOTHER MASTERPIECE
Another nice one from the groovy dude
Keep up the fine work
Cheers : )
Awesome! Watching now.
What an epic video
🤯
Yes finally! 🎉
THANK YOU FOR UPLOADING ON MY BIRTHDAY!
happy birthday homie!!
I feel like I got an early Yule gift! Huzzah 🎉🎉 The video was well worth the wait, fantastic job Dave!
Yet another amazing video, David. For some reason, I binge your stuff every winter. BTW, some of your newer music reminds me of Hot Rod by Peaches. Not a bad thing to sound like Peaches!
Worth the wait dude!
Ok, made one comment for the collective head-cannon. Here’s a bonus for the algorithm. Video was amazing! Nobody catches more nuance than you, man!
Oh hell yeah!
Been wanting to see this one!
Praise Garth (and short-haired David)!
Bruuuuuh at work atm but will be praising garth and settling in to watch as soon as I'm home. Cheers dave I can't wait!
love the portishead reference
perfect content to watch while playing the agot mod for ck3
Casterly Rock may be another example of ancient dragon lords using dragons to dig tunnels in rock, inhabited by a people with GEOTD features and an unclear origin. Light hair, gem colored eyes. It also fits as an outpost near a trading hub, near Lannisport.
It may also have a lighthouse-like structure on that top.
The fortified trading outpost was also the main form of Portuguese colonialism. They established fortified trading outposts in west Africa, goa, and coastal Brazil, where the they traded for Brazilwood before they ever began with the sugar plantations
I am listening to the audiobooks for the 10th time and just passed where Jorah mentions that his wife looked like Daenerys and I was imagining that she had to have had similar hair.
I'm glad they didn't make the Hightowers silvery-haired in the show tbh, given how many other main characters have those features. It would have made it harder to tell people apart imo
I really don't get that. Just by showing their house colors through their clothing and accessories, plus the characters they are mostly associated with, they wouldn't have been hard to differentiate at all
Damn so the casual viewers are THAG DUMB?
You all cant even differentiate between faces? God
Omg I'm sooo excited 🎉🎉🎉
One of the many wonders of Westeros for sure.
"it's not a cult" suuuuuuure
SHUT UP MIKI first rule of Starry Wisdom Cult COME ON
@@DavidLightbringer IM SORRY i meant "GROUP OF FRIENDS" (also what are we bringing for the potluck at the compoun- i mean house)
Thanks!
oh wow, thank you and you're quite welcome!
“It’s all just color…”- Some out of touch guy
7 great empire of the dawn emporers (not counting the bloodstone emperor who was evil), and 7 gods in the faith of the seven. hmmmm. potential link there?
Yes because the bloodstone emperor is named after the comet, the bleeding star stone, which would be the 8th wanderer when it enters the solar system
@DavidLightbringer I'm thinking maybe there's links between the andels and the faith of the seven with the high towers and daynes, assuming the high towers and daynes are secret numenoreans.
I envisage that the geotd was noble and just for 7 generations, and in that time they spread West from asshai. Then when the 8th emperor came into power, it was coincidentally the same time tgeotd was starting to colonize westeros. A group similar in concept to tolkiens elf friend numenoreans move West to escape the bloodstone emperor. One "elf friend" group winds up in battle isle, one in Valeria, and 1 becomes the basis for the andals and the faith of the seven.
4:30 warlock confirmed!
I like to think someone will sneak into the Hightower and upon walking onto the top floor veranda, sees there is either a weirwood that has grown up through the centre of the tower. That or at some point a glassbower dragon made a reeeeaaallly long glass candle that also runs the length of the entire tower, being drawn from the "stone" at the bedrock.
And the "beacon" at the top is really something weird resultant from the massive glass candle/magic amplification stave that runs all the way up
i was wondering if there was a weirwood on Battle isle too, maybe in the center of the fortress or something. deffo a candle up there
@@ThommyofThenn 2 of the coolest ideas i’ve ever heard
@@petergriffn149 thank you my fellow lore-hound🤓. One might think with a name like "Oldtown," it might be a dreary place, but ideas like that are just one reason that Oldtown is so cool. I think it's almost as awesome to think about as Volantis or Yeen!
Ooo im liking and commenting now, but ill catch it tomorrow and leave my thoughts
I propose that the GEOTD achieved dragon binding via magical artifacts (e.g. magic dragon horns). Azor Ahai sought skin changing magic in Westeros to gain pure magic control over dragons. Eventually and much later, Valyria perfected a hereditary dragon bond via soul stuffing their ancestors into dragons.
Did you see disputed lands' videos on Lorath and of the maesters? She theorizes that the original maesters were slaves(Peremore's pets), which is dark and creepy.
And she did connect the mazemakers of Lorath to the battle isle in another video.
Since you two are the best asoiaf theorists out there, i often end up trying to mash your theories together.
For example, i think its very likely that the iron born may have come from fisher queens( mashing both your ideas together)
Its really fun
It must be Christmas!
Did George really say recently that he's probably not going to finish the books?
NO!!! he didn't at all!! This is a paraphrase but he basically said "naysayers think Ill never finish it and maybe they're right- but I still plan to and I feel like I've got a while to live". That little "maybe not" has been taken way out of contest by folks looking to get mad and clickbait
very true. i think it's the same as it was.... he wants to finish, but he's really struggling for whatever reasons.
The Stark crown is the grove of nine and the last hero. Nine iron swords and one bronze. Reminds me of how Donnell Noye says that bonze is weak but pretty and iron is strong but won't bend. Humans are weak and the weirwoods are powerful yet fragile. Just a thought.
Ooooo a big one!
yes ma'am
Yessir
10:57 big Sen's Fortress vibes
26:15 This is not meant as lewdness, nor a lame jest, but I find the choice of words in the innuendo very fitting considering the word for 'scabbard' from the classical Latin being what it is.
WE ARE SO BACK AND NEVER LEFT!!!!
Serwyn once saved Princess Daeryssa from giants
Daeryssa is a very Targaryian name.
so a Hightower / dane might have a Great Empire of Dawn ancestor...
Here's my branch.. Take it. As an offering to The Algorithm.
*bows* ..
I think we're going to see water wights and no one talks about it
Funniest thing is, I don't even like fantasy, or remember anything from the books or the show, but somehow, good sir, you have become one of my favorite podcasts. If I could only suggest something, it would be to engage in a bit more George bashing because apparently sending out good thoughts in his general direction doesn't seem to inspire him enough to finish the series 😊 otherwise, keep it up!
Idk why but Yeen is the coolest word in the English lexicon
hype
Yo nice shirt
Could the hightower be a homage to a weirwood (og green version) and the tunnels an old root system similar to bloodraven's cave?
The quote you pulled about the earliest version made of wood & rose fifty feet above the fused fortress, was it made of rose & wood, one of George's wordplays? And the livestream with Eldric and the house of black & white, if bloodraven's cave is the white half, could this have been the black? Could the hightower's be hooked up to a weirwood (even if just a stump) instead/as well as a glass candle? Or was this an outpost of asshai which needed to be cut off? If the eponymous battle was inside the weirwood net that could be a cool parallel to what you've suggested bran could face towards the end game.
It would be interesting if this was a separation of the weirwood net between westeros & essos too, as the wall is from westeros and the north (northeros?). The cotf connections to both are drawing parallels in my head, ice in north, water in south. The cotf trying to protect the land from both sides with the same breaking but with different methods.
Either way, great vid, got me thinking, andl oving the art and all the hightower visuals you commissioned!! 👍
Hey everyone, look! A video!
Torrentine and tourmaline sound really similar, and while tourmaline are known for their yellow color they come in black, green, purple, blue, bi-colored...
apparently, we'll never get to know.
great video tho. im only here because of the life fans put into Martins work
i like ya cut g 👏
The stream that was promised
Would the addition of iron into the crowns suggest when the andal culture was introduced. Doesn't it say the sandals brought iron?
Starry Wisdom Churches have a scrying towers you say...
1:24:15 "Saur-" in "Sauron" sounds like "sour," not like "soar."
Okay, tinfoil hats on… I think George may have finished the whole series during COVID lockdown and he’s just being paid more to not release it yet.
How many channels on RUclips are mostly if not completely about the amount of fun we get to have in the not knowing?
It’s like JJ’s mystery box, but ultimately/hopefully less disappointing, cause they’ll have had the patience and forethought to leave us a genuinely interesting and thoroughly market tested cultural artifact in the box 😂
Hell yea
4th!
LML
I’m curious if your familiar with the 2nd edition D&D campaign setting: Birthright
Specifically I’m curious of your familiarity with some minor n some major similarities between that setting and the Westeros GRRM shared with us
Love your work as always
Merry Christmas 🎄🎁
YO, IS THAT AN OAKLAND, CA SHIRT????
yessir
how come your map has a westward arrow for the movement of Asshai/GEOTD folks to Oldtown? Surely they went east across the sea, instead of sailing all the way around the world. I thing GRRM initially intended Dani to go 'east to go west' through asshai and to westeros from that direction, which is also the way the hightower and dayne ancestors must have.
Fourth!
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4th
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Where’s the non-cult, cult signup?
:D
If the Daynes were founded by a fallen star, maybe that's more symbolism for their "Fall from Grace" with the Dragon Lords. Falling away from the high and mighty empire? Maybe Dawn is a stolen sword?!
to me it's only a question of how many times Dawn was stolen, lol. I think Bloodstone took it from his empire to Westeros (he caused the Long Night so he "stole" the dawn) but was defeated by the last hero, and I think the last hero had to steal that sword back from him to beat him, just as Ned defeated Arthur and then took possession of Dawn - I'm guessing Ned struck the final blow with Dawn in a reenactment of the last hero. but we'll have to see
@DavidLightbringer Well I agree, but also with so many comets landing all over the place, there might be MORE magic sky swords? Oh the possibilities
Yeeeaaahh! Getting high on that tower pack and black oil stoned
Oily black stone is just resin confirmed