Is the Aprilia Tuono 660 the real deal? | MCN First ride
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
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Neevesy gives his first impressions after riding the new 2021 Aprilia Tuono 660 in this in-depth video review. We tested the bike on country roads and through towns.
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Its nice to hear an honest review, instead of just praises for a new bike.
Compared to reviews from the established motorbike media, motovloggers are sometimes afraid to be totally open and risk "biting the hand that feed them"... I say that as a small time motovlogger lol
@@RikkyTang I hear ya, you chaps are in a tight bind. I'm just tired of seeing so much boot licking, as a viewer (on everything). And then seeing less experienced riders mirror what they hear from big channels, its a bit disheartening. My personal philosophy is that praise without critique brings about stagnant mediocrity. Having an honest evaluation is not equivocal to biting the hand that feeds, and any company that sees it that way should not be worked with.
This channel and so many others are bs, test ride yourself , make choice, dont feed these parasites
@@crunchytheclown9694 lol
@@vector409 if you cant see it i cant help you
I watch MCN just because of this Man, what a fabulous test driver/reviewer he loves so much his job and passion!
Thanks neveesy for all these years!!
And more coming
Whatever he is paid, it shoud be more. He is everything you would hope from a reviewer, and more.
Tuono V4 is the bike of the gods
Praise be unto me.
How come?
…..check engine light!
16k.. cheap as well for what you get..
@@JWard2 Fast, sounds incredible, gorgeous styling, costs around 17k USD and handles like it costs 25k USD. It's also constantly trying to kill you.
I picked up a USA Tuono 660 a week ago and coming from my first bike a CB500F...power is not something I'm lacking :) Loving the bike so far.
Yeah us normal people have to keep in mind that motorcycle journalists ride 150+ horsepower bikes everyday. Ofc 94 is low for them but more than enough than most of us. Hope you have many fun rides on it!
@@HeyAddieImTojo I’m pretty sure he’s talking about midrange not peak power, what he said is that being a naked the riding style is different from a sport or super sport machine even though they share the same chassis and underpinnings.
@@HeyAddieImTojo The journalist reviewing the bike in this video literally said "The fact the engine is very powerful..."
Can always buy exhaust system and race tune for a little more power
Nice. The tuono 660 is on my list of bikes I want as my second bike. I’m coming from an Suzuki sfv650 as my first bike and needing a bit more power and cruise control so my options are speed triple s, mt10 and the tuono 660.
The Tuono V4 makes sense because the RSV4 is too extreme for most road riders. With the Tuono 660 Aprilia have tried to make a perfect sporty road bike out of...a perfect sporty road bike. The result seems to be a bike that's just not quite as good as the bike it's based on, and not significantly cheaper. I still think my next bike will probably be an RS 660.
Yup 👍🏽
guess it for someone that want the rs660 but not the sportbike riding position. i know the rs660 is alr comfortable. but maybe even that is too much for some
@@jamessmurf2929 The RS660 would not be comfortable for long periods of riding. Yeah, I'm sure there are some "tough guys" out there that will claim otherwise. But the tuono version is superior in terms of comfort. Its about as close to perfect as you can get for a middle weight sport bike for the Street. 400lbs wet, and 100HP and a comfortable riding position for longer rides. What else could you want. Once you get over 100 HP, its a waste in most instances, because you simply won't be able to use the extra power but on a very limited basis. Even 100HP is pushing it in terms of usable power on the Street.
Not sure about the bike but Nevsy is the real deal.
Nice review & I do like this bike but Aprilia seem to have got the price point wrong in the UK. In the states it's about $400 for the QS & IMU together & it's still a few hundred dollars cheaper than the RS. How they figured out the UK pricing is a mystery. It should be 100-200 cheaper than the RS when fully spec'd, not more expensive obviously! Would definitely go for the RS.
Sounds like a perfect "first big-bike" for a confident rider that wants a bit more performance and style than the typical "first big-bike"
660cc is not a big bike. It is average/medium size bike.
KTM 1290 is a big bike.
@@lensoprezole5322 660 is a big bike, it's not LAMS approved for learners & it's power figures make it a big bike.
Nowdays the new "600/700" are the small bikes considering newest the big bikes 1000cc+ handle 200+bhp
"Big Bike" has a specific meaning in the UK, related to the graduated licensing scheme. Younger people can't just buy a 1290 SDR, your license restricts you to smaller bikes until you qualify for a "big bike" at which point most people opt to move to around 100 horsepower for a few years even though they could technically get a Rocket 3 if they wanted (to die 😉)
@@robocombo Ok thanks for the precision. I live in europe so I didin't know about that. Have a good day.
I really love your relaxed voice and honest review. Excellent job! 👍
I always check Neevesy first before Im buying a new bike. I wonder if the racemap and an exhaust will
cure the flat spot in the engine?
Just for a price comparison: In Norway, the stock TUONO 660 costs 13,050 GBP, and the RS 660 is 13,570 GBP.
Yeah but the average income in Norway is the equivalent of 52,400 pounds vs 32,000 in The UK
@@austinkaufman9402 Well, there's that, and that taxes in Norway is beyond insane. For good reasons, i'm not complaining. I just thought it worth a comparison. In Norway the MT-07 is a Lot cheaper then the Trident. But in Britain, the Trident is cheaper then the MT-07. I don't get why it's so different.
Yeah, unfortunately with a high standard of living there are almost always outrageous taxes, and usually those price flip flops are dependent on the countries strategic global trade policies. But yes, it is odd how different pricing can be depending on your location.
Honesty is refreshing. Not really into this bike, even before this review.
Saw one in a showroom yesterday..its a cracking looking piece of kit..
English please🤣
The MT09SP is the most fun middle naked, closely followed by the 890Duke. The Yamaha will probably prove to be the easiest to live with. One bike that wasn’t mentioned was the Z900 which is also in the reckoning
lolz900
@@Supernova12034 I was being kind as my mate just brought one 😁
That's why I've bought the MT and 890r. Japanese housewife and Austrian saucy mare,😜 can't go wrong.
MT09 has a great engine but the ergo's are terrible and the ground clearance is a joke.....
@@MrKdr500 try the 2021 version and than make a qualified comment
Great review. I was thinking this bike might be the one for me, but the more I hear, the more it looks like it doesn't have enough excitement for me.
If excitement is why you’re looking for, then look no further than the SUPERDUKE 1290 my friend.
@@FinityXD haha yes. I've ridden one a fair bit and my last street bike was a Tuono V4 1000. Absolutely loved it but thought I might try something different. Australian motorcycle prices are astronomical atm with COVID though. The Duke 790/890 is looking mighty tempting ATM
@@onthebackwheel 890 Duke R was the best bike of 2020 so my money would go to that but I feel like it’s stupid to pay $800 usd to unlock the bike lol that’s pretty money hungry to me
@@NudaMan yes, don't start me on that! Same with this Tuono and having to add in a quick shifter and IMU and then you still get cheaper forks
@@onthebackwheel from memory Neevsey called the 890 R a bit of a one trick pony. Have you seen that review?
Great review as always, agree, i think it needs around 110-120hp
I wonder whether it would be cheaper to fit Tuono top yokes and handlebar to the RS rather than adding all the doodads of the RS to the Tuono?
Like what?
I've been wondering about that.
You can ride a Tuono to work, I wouldn't reccomend it though. Especially not in the middle of summer in London. I thought my legs were going to catch fire 😅
*the 1100cc one I'm referring to
I think the engine drop in power to 94 was mainly to make it possible to sell an A2 variant which is not a bad thing, if it was around about a grand cheaper it'd be amazing deal, right now though it fits into that weird spot between cheap 650s like the Mt07, Ninja 650, Sv650 and the middle size nakeds you mentioned, which most of have something over the Tuono, due to this I don't think they're biting into either market as much as they could
Problem is they are not doing an A2 variant and Colchester Kawasaki are selling these for 8k at the moment. You can get A2 on the RS model though, which makes no sense at all.
It's really as simple as a different map, the engine is the same otherwise. The A2 compliant map weirdly is lacking in the midrange compared to the full fat map.
But it has to be homologated and registered as 70 kW to be able to be sold as an A2 model. There's not only a power limit but also a (power-to-) weight limit. So the map has to account for all of that and ensure it doesn't breach the limit in any area whilst obviously getting as close to it as possible - might it be there is also a torque limit of some kind?
As for markets, Aprilia have a strong track record of not chasing anything pre existing and simply focusing on making decent bikes. It hurts sales though because the media can't pigeon hole them for the mindless masses...
I think the new Monster slips into this category also, good reviews so far.
Test drove all three bikes (tuono 660, 890 R, and the MT SP) and iam sad to report that the aprilia was the first one i ruled out. It was precise and handled well but the other two bikes were way more fun to ride. Waiting to test drive the new monster to see if its any good :) What i have to give the tuono is that the styling is fenomenal. 890R felt the sportiest and most capable and the MT was a very good all rounder and smoother for casual riding. Great video :)
Thank You for posting this! I'm down to the same 3 bikes and add the Street Triple. Hard Decision. The KTM Duke 890 R is in the lead...but it just may come down to which bike I can get the best dealio on ....adding the bloodsucking software add ons to the price.
Love yr review on this ( as per nor ) very good. Cant help but to ask though how would Tuono 660 compare to MT 09 when you have 10k to spend?! Ummmm....
Thanks for the great video! 👍
Great guy, gives very good reviews looks like very experienced person based on techs he covers. Hey I need some suggestions to buy a new bike, I am looking for sporty style yet comfortable (touring long drive) ergonomics. Please feel free to suggest. I am in the USA if it matters.
Finally a real review unbiased where the reviewer is not trying to suck the 660’s tailpipe. Thanks mate
I wonder if dropping a tooth at the front would do it? Makes sense that you need more punch to hoon around - so re-gearing would be an easy fix if you're not too worried about top speed (which we shouldn't be unless we're on the track - in which case, maybe just up a tooth at the back instead?)
How prophetic! The new Tuono 660 Factory has one less tooth up front! My deposit is already in my dealer's hands!
How prophetic! The new Tuono 660 Factory has one less tooth up front! My deposit is already in my dealer's hands!
How prophetic! The new Tuono 660 Factory has one less tooth up front! My deposit is already in my dealer's hands!
I wonder if the Factory version of this maybe fixes a bit of that? Sure it is only a tiny bit more power, but the way it delivers it may also be improved? It would be very interesting to hear reviews of these different flavours of the same model.
Its sportier than its direct 650cc rivals yet not up to power with its more common naked rivals at 800 to 900cc, a very odd position the Aprilia finds itself in, a pretty odd decision by Aprilia TBH. I still am shouting for an 800 V4 Tuono!!
True, it should have had at least 115 bhp to play in this group.
KTM will be launching an all new 990 Duke soon, which will see a power figure North of 140 bhp.
@@abymathew295 nice! 990.... the sweet spot for capacity.
@@akent46 . I think the same. It's gonna be an epic ride..😍
@@abymathew295 totally agree!
haha, I was waiting and waiting for him to say ‘but, ...’. Had to wait until 5:24 !
Sounds great, looks amazing. Way overpriced here in Australia though. I would have thought the MT-07HO CP2 would have been a more natural competitor than the MT-09 with it’s 3 cylinders and larger displacement. Certainly not apples and apples.
I've had an MT 07 for nearly 3 years but not sure which bike to get next , don't want another yamaha though
Shouldn't you compare it to the MT 07...not MT 09?
Well if you Keep in mind the price the mt09 is the correct comparision
Triumph street triple rs vs tuono 660 vs ktm 890 duke comparo please...
Hardly fair to compare to 900cc bikes. The comparison should be to similar sized models. Pricing is a separate issue
Nice honest review. I was thinking of trading in my newish BMW r1250GS in for a Street Triple as I'm mainly doing 45-minute comutes and much of my riding is urban. Then I saw that many reviewers are saying that the Tuono is better, more comfortable, better handling, etc. What are your thoughts? Would you go for the RS rather than the R, even if I am not going to do track riding? I prefer the rev counter and the mirrors on the R. Took the RS out for a ride in Paris and loved it other than that those details.
RS/Tuono looks more exciting and sounds amazing with an sc project or an arrow system, super light weight
Naked bike with a fairing. Is this a whole new class?
Michael, Waiting for your new monster review to finalize my buying desicion on this segment
Coming soon...
Zx10r and rsv4 review where :(
Coming soon...
It sounded fantastic.
Its a great bike but if you want the real deal get it's big brother.👍
Overpriced but nice bike but so many better bikes for that money .
The motorcycle industry: we want more power at least 200hp.
Consumer: we want less power and more usable on road
How does it compare to the old KTM Duke 690 ?
Still lacking power?
Great review as always.
Tnx...
Sounds nice for a twin. Better than my ER6 any way.
270 crank vs the 180 in your Kwakka ;)
You didn't mention the slightly cheap feeling suspension which jumped off bumps and caused loss of front end confidence. Fine on smooth roads though.
So not a bike for Yorkshire in the U.K. then 😅. More potholes than a field full of gophers.
@@bikermike_mars1372 Or the South East tbf.
Yamaha FZ8. Everyone jumped on the MT-0 bandwagon and forgot about it. Stunning bike and the inline 4 is superb over 6k revs. bomb proof reliability and at todays prices its the steal of the century
FZ8 Lol.
@@MrKdr500 ridden one ?
@@MrKdr500 no you havent. LOL
@@problemslayer3538 You might as well get the full fat FZ1, they are practically the same price and weight but less restricted
What about F900R in compare to tuono?
This chassis with a 3 cylinder version of the V4 would be very interesting. Supposedly a 400 cc bike is next for Aprilia, but the new Supersport regs must be enticing to them also. An 800 cc V3 producing upwards of 140 bhp paired with Aprilia's chassis dynamics would be a good starting point for the right teams and riders.
Maybe use a 3-cylinder from MV Agusta or Triumph then. I don't think a V3 would have any advantages over the V4 at all. Probably not any cheaper or much lighter.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 packaging is the only advantage, but barely really. It's more a matter of branding really, like Ducati with its twin pulse V4.
Also a V3 would be unique.
They cut a V4 in half for the 660, not sure they can carve out the third cylinder. The triangle triple?
@@anxiousappliance The 660 only uses the combustion chamber and valve arrangement from the V4. Even then the specs are obviously different. I think I saw the lead engineer quoted as saying only the spark plug is the same. As a "parallel" twin the 660 won't as easily transform back to a V engine.
Removing only one of the cylinders from the V4 wouldn't be that hard. Some racing series spec a 750cc formula by disabling one of the cylinders from a 1000 cc four cylinder superbike. A V3 could just be a factory engineered version of this, perhaps with a slightly longer stroke.
@@anxiousappliance The math doesn't add up for the twin to be the V4 cut in half. The V4 is 1100cc, which would translate to a 550cc twin. There's an extra 109 cc coming from somewhere.
Reliability concerns?
I don't see any other reviewers saying this is weak or lacks fun factor, quite the contrary. Not hooligan enough for MCN though...
Is there a review of the Tuono 660 Factory in the pipeline. Seems a better bike.
Wouldn't a smaller sprocket up front make a huge difference in fun ? I did it on alot of bikes and it helped alot ! would it help on the tuono aswell ?
Very informative, thank you!
If it had a 900cc engine like the Shiver upgraded to at least 115hp it would be a strong contender. Now i think it is up against MT-07, Trident etc and therefore too expensive even if it is a premium bike. But Aprilia makes great quality bikes, no doubt.
agreed I don't think it sits with mt 09 or the duke, if fits more like mt07 and trident although being more powerful. actually another 15-20 hp would be perfect for this bike...... you get used to the power fairly quickly, my 890 r seemed wicked fast when i first got it but now seems fairly normal....... so much so am looking at super duke or tuono v4...... its easy to back off when you want but you cant add what you dont have.... after awhile on the big bike would probably want a smaller one again, lol....... we always want change
think the next genre of bikes will be relaxed sportbikes with twin motors, full fairings or sportier sport touring bikes.. .. having low end torque is far more useful on the street vs screaming an inline 4 to 15k rpms
The Shiver lives on as a Chinese project and they are targeting 110+ bhp. It mostly likely won't come here, unless they revive the Gilera branding here too.
Tuono or Duke? Which suits better for trips or for an 8 hours ride? Which is the most comfortable?
Too restricted by basing the engine on half the v4 I guess - as a 750 this and the RS would be far better. Otoh, still a gem of a bike.
As always a great assessment,thks.
Well at least it’s the prettiest
Just get the trident or the sv650 and with the rest of the money go on a trip.
Hmm, no.
Ew
maybe not exactly those models, but the thought is nice.
Definitely not
I'd get the MV Agusta Brutale Rosso new for the same price, or Dragster/Brutale 800 slightly used. Totally different league compared to the Aprilia.
Now that the Honda Hornet and Suzuki GSX-8S are now here, priced so much cheaper ( and probably more reliable), would this still be a viable choice Neevesy? I've got CB1000R 2019 plus model at the moment, but looking for something lighter and just as fun 😊
needs about 120-130 hp and that would be a cracker of a machine......almost bought one actually, I just felt that i would get lil bored and upgrade really soon after....it does have a market though but for a more serious rider just needs a few more ponies.....another 20hp in that chassis and low weight man what a bike that would be...RS 890/tuono 890 would be a weapon.......
Could you get around the grunt-problem with a couple of extra teeth on the rear sprocket?
And an exhaust system + tune…
Even though the new styling is INCREDIBLY BEAUTIFUL, the real bargain from all perspectives when it comes to the Tuono is still the V4 1100 RR. Especially in Sachsenring Red. It’s a more complete motorcycle, especially for street riding and not much track use.
Yes and the softer Sachs suspension should make it a bit more forgiving to ride on the street. The RR is at the top of my list for a new bike.
@@samiam5326 I think it is the best bike a money can buy, right now. Especially in its price range, there is no real competition.
saw some videos that with a tune it removes the dip in the middle off the powerband
Basically, if you're looking for a sub 10,000 GBP naked bike, get an MT-07. You won't miss the Tuono 660
You will every time the road turns and every time you look at the MT07.
What about reliability. Are there some reports of problems?
Surely the bikes it should be compared with are the trident 660 and mt-07 not the mt-09, street triple and ktm 790.
But it's 2.5k more than the Trident and MT07
He's comparing bikes in a similar price range NOT with similar cc's - makes sense.
Tuono 660 or S1000RR 2015 ???
Price is similar now.
Great bike but why aren’t Aprilia doing an A2 bike. They do an A2 bike on the RS so why not on the Tuono . My son set his heart on one for when he passed his A2 , he’s even saved the cash for it.
Are they planning a 660 factory?
That could be where the power will be that is missing from this one.
At aprilia, Factory means Ohlins suspension and never means more power.
@@lensoprezole5322
I know. I just had a thought that they might go a different direction due to all the reactions.
@@lensoprezole5322
They have never messed with the electronics or fuel curve for factory versions?
This or the Triumph Trident 660?
I guess the Trident is probably a more "beginner" bike, and has 20 bhp less.
So the street triple is better than this bike ?
New Ducati Monster, missed off that list?
They really need to pull 890 duke with this engine
why pick the Tuono over the RS 660, it don't make sense.
Plz do a KTM duke790 comparison!!
Not much point ... the 790 is obsolete and has been replaced by the base model 890 .... and thats coming from a 790 owner ;)
Guessing the 660 properly equipped 13k and 1100 20k?
even the base tuono is a great bike @ 16k
When S1000R?
Was this filmed in Oxfordshire?
This was filmed on the B660 Northants/Cambs borders
Well the solution is obvious.... add back one cylinder to make a V3. Or chuck an R6 suspension on an MT-07
It should have had around 115 bhp to compete with its rivals.
Similar engine performance to the 890?
What u been smoking
A lot less eh
Scott Clark. Exactly what I thought, but maybe he was referring to the MT09 which he had just mentioned.
apparently he didn't notice the 890 has around 40% more torque than the 660 🤷♂️🤦♂️
I have to assume he means the KTM 890 performance-wise is similar to the MT-09 but "a little bit perkier". I love my 890 R, but I will say having a bit of fairing (like, say, the Street Triple or this Tuono) makes a difference. I added the 270mm Powerbronze screen to the KTM and that does help a lot.
Flat?? Love the motor🔥🔥🔥its a loot faster then Mt07
Interesting that you rated it up against the upper middleweight nakeds not the MT07, CB650R and Z650.
based on £10k approx. price-range not cc's
It's not really an equivalent to the 650's, which all make around 60-70hp and cost a lot less. To be fair, it kind of sits in it's own hybrid category without much direct comparison - probably best to compare a little from either category.
Over priced, I think they'll be discounting it as people won't pay that much when there are better bikes at that price point.
I thought they would’ve flew out my job fast but nope we have a apex black Rs660 and the silver/red tuono 660 still sitting on the floor... all the aftermarket parts for these bikes are waaaaaaaay too overpriced I’m not giving KTM or Aprilia any of my money because it’ll be a waste
This won’t be discontinued, it will be one of the best selling bikes in the years to come. Just watch.
@@AngelSapundzhiev My comment says 'discounting', As in reducing the price.
Beautiful bikes...
this thing needs a serious torque and power update atleast in 10-20 more numbers as starting bid to make it feel good in india it costs 21,700 usd 🙄🙄🙄🙄 who the hell buys it at that point
So sad it's not a baby v4
if the heart is not good, dont buy it, need a bike with a big heart that will always surprise you
The bike is a lemon! The Aprilia has many issues that are talked about in the Twins cup. Aprilia try's to keep it quiet even editing sponsored riders articles. Aprilia has an large group of mechanics at Moto America to keep the bikes running. The attached review is so common with many who own this bike...read the comments in the review! ruclips.net/video/AiWDnuKHW8I/видео.html
I wouldn't really call the Tuono 660 a naked bike all it's missing is some fairings 😂
I would have a Street Triple RS all day over this. I do love the look of it though.
I do love that countryside ride around Great Gidding, Winwick, Old Weston at the edge of Cambridgeshire... Good filming.
Please take care going through those narrow road villages.
Z900?
Z900 is around 5th or 6th place in the ranking of agility of this category of bikes. KTM 890, Street triple 675, Tuono 660, GSR 750 are more nimble than the Z900. Z900 not the last of the category in 2021 but far from the best. It is a Japanese bike that means financial compromises in the components that equips the bike (frame, suspensions, brakes, abs unit, etc)
@@lensoprezole5322 MT09 2021 ?
660cc is too small for a sporty naked bike. And the parallel twin is a budget choice rather than choosing the best engine for the application.
Kind of expensive here in the USA.
Makes no sense to me this bike...we have the RSV4, a full on race bike for track use, and the tuono, the perfect sportbike for the road...the RS660 isn't a R bike, it's already the small sport bike for the road so this makes no sense!
No brainer, the RS 660 has the cornering ABS and quickshfter.......the Tuono does not.
I will brake it down to you easy: Aprilia = Engine problems. After a week of riding it the engine icon is coming off and on. Same problems on the Tuono V4 Factory. Italian bikes sound good, but that's about it!
Probably works for Ducati. There is always that guy who wants to bash on Aprilia with outlandish claims. I owned a Caponord 1200 and put 35000 miles on it and never had one niggly little problem with the engine. I’d buy an Aprilia without hesitation.
The old 1000cc Aprilia V-twin is an excellent engine...so good that KTM wanted to use it in the 950 Rally/Adventure. Aprilia said 'no', so KTM hired the engineer who designed it. Imitation...the sincerest form of flattery!
@@richardsimpson3792 Bullshit! Aprilia's engine was made by Rotax and anyone can buy the engines if they want, even the Nuda 900 engine is still available for anyone to buy... KTM already owned Husaberg and it was their engineers that designed KTM's first V-twin.
Italian bikes great but they arent as reliable as Japanese bikes, more service intensive and and more expensive to maintain.
@@MrKdr500 Not so.
The engine was made by Rotax, as at the time Aprilia made no components at all. But the design was exclusively for Aprilia. I own examples of both, and you can certainly see the connection.
You may find this thread of interest
advrider.com/f/threads/rotax-and-ktm.554747/
Buyer beware! My Aprilia Tuono 660 broke after 9000 miles. And now my engine has to be replaced under warranty.
That's what I afraid of
Repaired yet?
If they fix the flat spot from 5k-7k rpm... and if they didn’t have these exhaust valve clearance recalls lmao not a good look Aprilia
If you want 100 hp from a 660 it's gonna be a bit peaky.
new products can have a few issues, nothing new....
So basically go and buy a MT09