Wanted to make this video for a while, and since BG's have come out, it's changed a lot of the meta of how the game is played and I thought it was the right time.
I played wow in 2006-2007 with lets just have fun mindset. I started playing wow classic at launch and I still do what I want because I want to have fun my way. I haven't changed... the fucking zoomer's have changed. lol
Nope. Play for fun if you want. I minmaxxed 10 years ago and I do now. That’s what is fun for me. You are just scared of “playing for fun” and being not good. It is your perspective that needs work. We are all jaded.
Yeah, it only took one or two weeks for my classic server to fill up with BiS-obsessed 40s/50s tryhards. At that point I was like, thanks for the memories WoW, but I'm done here :)
Yea, i wish he would stay true to himself like he is in this video. I like Asmon but i don't like when he forces fake reaction on stream, it just doesn't feel true to himself. Why is why i miss the old Asmon when he was really himself and not trying to please everyone at the same time
The playerbase of Classic is steadily decreasing. Lots of realms went from full to medium or even low population, while retail actually feels like it gained players instead of losing them. Even some people in my guild started appreciating retail more after Classic came out. So vanilla already served its purpose. To show people that it is actually worse and more boring than BfA.
@John Rock That sounds exactly like what Classic hardcore fans who still play would say. I guess that's what happens when you only talk to the people who are on your Classic servers. But those people who really do prefer classic are not a representative population of all WOW players. Classic bores me to death, and even Asmongold made a video recently where he said it's so fucking basic and easy and boring. Zero-mechanic raid bosses. Single-spell spamming classes. Most classes being beyond broken with only having 1 viable spec, if lucky. The illusion of choice with the terrible talent trees where the choices are so easy that I literally always make my own talents just by reading tooltips and guessing what would be most optimal, and then I go and look at actual theorycrafting guides and see that my choices were identical. I've only ever been off by maybe 1-2 talents, and those were the optional/variation talents. :-P The same problem exists in retail. There's only 1 way to spec. But retail does have more impactful talents and there are often 2 or even 3 viable choices per tier. All in all, there's so much more to do on retail, and the raids and M+ are harder than anything has EVER been in classic. Anyone who believes otherwise must suck at WoW. Classic is ultra-easy.
@John Rock Well okay that is the one thing I like about classic. Its charming simplicity. :P But running the same dungeons over and over in Classic, because there's nothing else to do, isn't fun... The journey to 60 is the most fun Classic has to offer... like being a hunter, exploring the world, taming beasts, finding new skills from various beasts, doing quests and actually exploring the world... that's the cool part. That's why it's so nuts that people are all speedrunning to 60. And at 60, they only thing left in the game is a bunch of repetitive dungeons and easy raids. Staring at the same things endlessly. That's why Asmongold recently said that he hates Classic... At least in retail, when you're bored, you just go chill with some pokemon battling (in dungeons, or vs the world, or vs other player), or go for achievements and mounts, or archaeology (cool tools and toys), or do old raids for cool looking transmog gear, or explore all continents and their quests, or play the auction house game to get filthy rich and pay your WoW sub that way, etc... Or go for extremely hard Mythic+ or endgame raids... There's so much to do in retail WoW. And for everyone who complains about the "lack" of community: Join a guild. Have fun with friends. Join discord while you play. Play with them instead of randoms. There's tons of social people in the game, and the social aspect is what _you_ make of it. Likewise, people complaining about LFR/LFD tools for instant dungeons are missing the point. Those are child-versions of the dungeons. The actually hard versions of the dungeons/raids can ONLY be done with skilled friends (guild), communication and coordination. And what about lore? Well, modern WoW is waaaay more evolved. The classic world feels kinda pathetic and dead. The retail world is populated with epic events and questlines and cinematics. The game making and storytelling has evolved since 2004. What do I dislike about the modern WoW? Only one thing... The randomized loot, which is more like Diablo 3 loot (random attributes) than an MMO loot. There are still unique items with unique abilities and designs, but overall there is too much randomly generated gear. They need to get that shit out of the game and start designing items individually with flavor again. That is the only complaint I have about the game.
@John Rock You're a complete moron. So are the Classic nutjobs. You're opposite ends of the very same stupidity. Neither is "dead". Both are successful.
"It doesn't matter what you do, someone in the community is going to have an opinion about the way that you're playing this game." Damn, you got me. I've been very vocal about my hate for streamers, about elitists, about min/maxers... about how EVERYONE that isn't playing the game like me is hurting the game. You made me hold a mirror up to myself, and looking in, I see that I'm just a different KIND of elitist... and my attitude isn't doing the game any favors either. You've humbled me.
Not true at all. People wanted Classic but brought their retail mentality into it. Came in expecting what was not to be expected and came out disappointed. I'm having a blast to this day, because I took a completely different approach than streamers and most of my friends.
Zach is one of the most well spoken people I have ever listened to. His train of thought is so uninterrupted and streamlined that’s its difficult to imagine that he’s not reading it from bullet points.
As someone who's followed you since MoP seeing this same setup is nostalgic and so awesome to me idk why. It just feels like the old Zack from 6 years + back
The leveling experience is good , (you didnt experience it sitting in dungeons 24/7) ... finding help to do things, pvping with people in different quest zones, fighting to tag mobs first , or mining nodes .... at level 60 it just turned into a fight with everyone to get loot loot loot loot ....
For me leveling was fantastic I was one the first to 60 in my guild. Played rogue and it was a struggle because rogue is not a good solo level (I did grp when needed). Once I hit 60 I grinded for mount by farming brd pickpocketing.. But honestly after raiding MC for a month.. I just couldnt do it anymore.. it was so boring. Phase 2 came and I played a few times.. but 100v100 with tons of lag is not for me.. so I'm done
Honestly I love when you make these videos it feels like you are in the same room hanging out. My community loves you. Bro thank you for all you do for us. Love you man
Absolutely nobody gives a shit about the way you decide to play the game but you cannot expect YOUR idea of how to play the game to have fun to force on other players when doing group content. Want a chill sunken temple run with some light roleplaying inbetween which takes 4 hours? Sure, have at it, but I won't invite you into my group if that's what you're looking for because I do not want to do it. I want that blue item because I want to get the most of my character. The hatred against min maxers is just as annoying as the bashing of RP'ers
@@aadas4007 You're right. At the end of the day, every type of player needs to find the people who would enjoy playing with them, because all ways of playing are valid, it's just a subjective matter.
I have always played my toons the way I wanted to. I never worried about optimizing my hunter back in the day. I just took talents that seemed to fit the way I was playing.
For me personally , as a person who played wow casually back in the days, all the "pRo tIpS RUclipsrs and Streamers" ruined the game for me. It was my bad to consume their content. I agree with Asmon.
Honestly I think the launch of Classic wow gave us something very special and unique which lasted a short amount of time but really hit us all really hard. Even though it's a bit sad that it didn't stay that way, I really am thankful that Blizzard gave us that chance to feel like our old dumb teenage selves once more, even if for a short time. The launch of classic was something I definitely will never forget and, maybe in a way it was the closure we all needed to accept that, now it's time to move on after getting to experience that magical feeling one last time. I managed to reach max level in classic, which was something I could never reach as a kid and.. well in a weird way I feel fulfilled. Love you all, keep up the good work Zack, always enjoyed your stream and vids.
I think its awesome that so many more people are getting to see all the content and I'm really excited to see a ton of people clear AQ and Naxx. This game was a huge step forward for gaming culture and it deserves to be seen by way more gamers.
I love the poor image and audio quality. Not joking or being sarcastic, I genuinely like it. Reminds me of old youtube. Thanks for the real talks Zack.
He is a nice guy. Just wish he would clean the piles of garbage. Is he a hoarder? Why does he have moldy, months-old fast food packages everywhere? Imagine the musty stench in his room. Is this a typical room for his viewers too?
If Asmon was actually himself on stream I'd probably watch his streams lol. All I know him from now is the occasional youtube video that slips into my recommendations.
The communities on pve servers are phenomenal, I know people want to play pvp for the true classic experience but if you are thinking of quitting due to the community try a pve server
I appreciated this commentary :) I am a first time WoW player, and was convinced to try Classic. I like to think that while I may not have the classic 2006 experience, to me, it feels like a "Classic" experience, as the addons and videos do help me optimize, the game itself still challenges me. It takes longer to level and to make gold compared to other games which makes a huge change for me :) The sheer size of the world is great too. Being busy in school a lot too helps me feel less of a fast track experience in the game too. I LOVE fishing...it's a unique system xD
Goal oriented players, that's the main factor why the experience is different, I agree here. Games are taken much more seriously now and more competitive than it used to be 10 years ago. Back in the days you'd group up to kill an elite that wasn't even your quest mob, causd you had no idea what you'd get in terms of loot since you haven't done it before. And that's how you make friends. Nowadays you group to be 1 step closer to your goal and other people in the group are treated as tools to getting their and that's fine, that's how we play nowadays, cause multiplayer is a very common concept now. It wasn't back in the days that's why every in-game encounter mattered, and you knew the baddest motherfuckers on your servers name by name.
@@SacredCASHcow I think you are missing the point actually, you could play classic the old way but it's almost impossible now. Efficiency and speed has been a part of the vast majority of new games for years now. This mentality has been ingrained in most of the design of newer games. If you play a lot of games from the 2010's the mentality of "efficiency and speed" has been hammered into our brains that sub-consciously most gamers think this way when playing a game. Why wouldn't this translate over to an mmo? It is a lot harder to avoid this mentality in mmo's since people will use it on you and expect the same mentality from you. A failure to think this way often means exile from the group and/or activity. I can vouch that many communities of new mmo's and mmo lite's are like this(aka Destiny and Warframe).
@@younghegelian4815 I would have to say this efficiency and speed thing hasn't changed at all. It has always been present. From games in the 90's to now. I would say game design itself certainly emphasizes that now but anyone can impose that decision on themselves though it is tougher in a social game. The problem is that focus has gotten to the point now where the experience sucks sometimes. The journey seems to have been forgotten. For as long as I have played games I typically approached games that way once I understood the systems. Society as a whole is trying to do more in a day than we could possibly have done 20 years ago, before smartphones and the internet etc. No doubt the ease of accessing information in general has changed dramatically and is MUCH faster than it used to be and that for sure has modified peoples perspectives across the board. You without doubt can still play Classic however you please. It is certainly still possible to take your time and not worry about efficiency. Its a self imposed metric, not just in WoW but in any game. Same as a single player game. People don't NEED to play efficiently. That play style is a choice. More people prefer to now, or so it appears and the perception now is that any other approach is time wasted. Thankfully that isn't the entire community. Games, just as movies and any other form of entertainment, are supposed to be that. Entertainment. You decide how you consume it. You certainly do not have to play how everyone else wants to. Diablo 2 was a great example of that. Players would try synergy builds just to see how well you could pull off a throw barb for example. There was always the most time efficient builds. Just as there is now. The min/max, efficiency is all that matters perspective has certainly had some negative impact on the game in that those who are focused solely on how fast they can get something done usually dominate those who just want to enjoy the game or experience etc.This comes from someone who looks at it both ways. I love the journey, but in the case of WoW, I cant help but focus on efficiency. Listening to this video as I type this and Asmond sounds like he is making a similiar point at I am guessing 17 minutes. in that regard I have to say SacredCASHcow is absolutely right. Wow Classic is NOT focused on speed and efficiency and it never will be. Retail is.
@@garrettcason3692 that's the entire point of this comment. Thought it went without saying his on stream personality asmongold I hate, him as just Zack I respect. Really didn't think I would have to break it down
Asmon you are a legend. The first time I met you was in wotlk. I remember your Vault of Archavon raids. You always keep it real and have the most fun. We grew up on this game. Played with you and raided with you a few times over the years since then. enjoy the rest of your life Asmon and I don't regret a single second either.
Something I thought was interesting was that Reddit post you read on stream recently. It’s not the game that’s changed, it’s the people who have. We have fond memories not because of rose tinted goggles, but because it was actually that fun back then. Problem is, we’ve changed as people over the years. Things we found fun before aren’t fun now, and different things are fun now. Like in your 90’s comedy movie, it probably was funny to you years ago, but now your sense of humor has changed
I dont disagree totally but cmon... People have changed? Maybe its cuz we all playing a Game where everybody can google Quests, Solution, Bossfight Tactics, the Patch we playing on is the Pre Naxx Patch. The List could go on and on. Back when i was 14 i literally KNEW shit about the game, mechanics, bosses, enchants and it took me MONTHS for level 60. Now? Dude its embarrassing if your not 60 after 3 Weeks of starting. U cant come up with something old and call it new and think the community is the same it was in Vanilla.
Wow Classic is like that first album you got into. You bought the tshirt, you read the lyrics to each song, you identified with it, saw the band perform it live, and it’s still a staple in your collection. Then the band released a few more albums, some members left, and some new members came in, and while you still like them a lot, it’s just not that classic first record that originally struck a chord with you. Then the original lineup gets back together after 15 years and they’re going to go on tour.. you of course go because you want to be there, and yeah, they can still get the job done, but....
What was epic about vanilla 15 years ago were the first moments of things we experienced. I remember when I went to Darkshore for the first time, Azshara etc. The music, the combat, dungeons etc. Even thinking of countless hours I've spent in dead mines, I get instant chills. You cannot relive those experiences. You cannot meet the same people again, create same friendships again. The fact that all of us initially sucked and that we had no expectations of the game was what made the experience great. It was a true exploration experience. Every new zone I visited, every new skills I gained, every new dungeon I finished, everything was brand new. Not just brand new in the context of WoW but for majority of us back then, WoW was the first MMO we played. We didn't have websites to check loot, to check most optimal ways to get somewhere, we didn't know whats coming. And that was exciting. You are killing some world boss, some rare or whatever, you have no idea what's gonna drop. All that being said, enjoy the memories you had back in the days guys, remember the people you played with, remember the events you participated in. Don't try to recreate that, because you can only ruin it.
Asmon doing his bedroom vlog type videos is pure asmr no homo. It would be more soothing than mad season if he had chill instrumental music playing in the background
Thanks for taking the time to post this. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated, and, before the flames begin, I played classic as a hardcore quote unquote raider. The divide between the have and have nots shrunk drastically since 2005. Everyone has access to the information now. Not many have nots around anymore...unless your a different kind of special. I'm subbed here but still waiting to like an asmon vid. Zack is way more chill
Server sizes and the lack of GMs have killed it for me. When I played Vanilla I remember a group of Horde camping a flightpath for about 30 minutes once. Someone complained to a GM, he turned up and told them something like, "You've had your fun guys but this is going too far, now scram." One Horde was teleported somewhere and the others ran. I feel like if these raids camping every flightpath happened back then then GMs would've done something about it like they already used to on a smaller scale. Blizzard has been way too hands off with Classic.
Didnt know you did this, never been into watching streams. Never had the time but I would catch up at night or listen to recaps on youtube while driving. People were giving you so much crap, as Asmon and even though I didnt always agree I could tell you were an intelligent person. I Think this really solidifies that for me. You speak with a poise and clarity that even though I don't think it's your intent really shows your intellect regarding the subject matter. You should deffinantly do more of these, it was refreshing to listen to.
The games great because for me there is a clear, long term goal to which I can focus on, a goal of making a name for myself. Every night I can get on and know there are 15-30 other like minded people waiting to hang out, talk shit, and grind in game for hours doing PVE or PVP content. I don't believe the game is any different vs what I knew in vanilla, in fact I would go so far as to say I'm having the exact same experience, but through the eyes of a man 15 years older. Midway through vanilla we all knew what was to come with Naxx and how good gear was. We theory crafted and speculated what was BiS and had a reasonable fair rotations for Tier lot and a silent bidding system for off set items that used DKP (worked well enough). I was a try hard and was pushing content while grinding HWL gaming the system and making pacts with the other groups. And here we are 15 years later, doing the same thing, with new people. Its the same game and I absolutely love that
He’s not lying being young and the whole gaming scene was much much different at original release seemed so much harder...which nowadays is a joke lol...BTW good content man
Tbh people started downing rag at a regular basis when zul gurub came out, zul gurub was basically a catch up mechanic for mc, also dire maul. Dire Maul came very early to this version of the game to boost people through MC. We also do have nerfed bosses and buffed classes. Asmongold doesnt play the game that its supposed to. He got people up 9-10 hours a day that would quit wow in a second if he would switch to minecraft. They play because of him.
I've been playing classic wow very casually, exploring and taking my time; pretty much "the classic wow experience." 6 days playtime so far starting from classic wow's launch at lvl 39 on my first character. it's nice to take it easy, but it gets very lonely since a lot of other people are already focused on raiding and pvp content and most people that are leveling with me now are just alt accounts that are dungeon grinding. It doesn't feel like there are many new/returning players coming in anymore without the intent of solely wanting to get to the endgame.
Hang in there man. I keep rolling alts and just taking my time and there are still noobs ! Makes the game still feel alive but it depends on your server.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm totally enjoying the game as is. I'll always like wow and I'm still gonna continue playing classic, just at the same moderate pace until I get to 60
I love this chill Zack over your Asmongold persona. I understand that your viewers enjoy that persona and you gotta make that bread but, you are such an intelligent dude and this is much more enjoyable for me to watch (personally). Either keep killing it dude.
I agree with a lot that was said here but there's something I just want to point out anyway. The game was definitely romanticized to an insane degree, but I personally just like the fundamental differences in design of the game then with later WoW expansions. It's not just nostalgia it's that I actually think it's more fun. I enjoy how gear works and pvp gear which is completely different nowadays the gear felt more unique and simpler. I enjoy having to read the quests and figure out what I'm doing or where I'm going. I don't think the game is difficult but you definitely have to pay more attention to pulls and the investment into the game determines the reward not the challenge necessarily.( I also like one difficulty raids and dungeons and the leveling ) The classes also feel way more unique no one can deny that. It's the dated aspects of the game that are so appealing to me and people have tried to clone these ideas in "old school MMOs." There's also a vast amount of content to complete realistically but it feels simpler then current WoW and I like that. I like when the content is all rolled out I can essentially "beat the game" on a character and that would still take forever. And you can roll alts to do it again. That's why I think it's so genius to re release this version because you don't even need to update it I think it would still persist for years to come even with out like Classic+. Which would be interesting to see content added to this version of the game but I don't know
Classic+ would basically defeat the purpose of Classic, they are better off with a TBC and WOTLK server. That being said they can improve the current retail version of wow to be more like classic so in that regard you'll never run out of content and still can get the classic feel
@John Rock like most MMO's, and im not saying that retail wow is bad. thats subjective. its the elements of vanilla WoW i personally enjoy more. and i feel like people arent pointing that enough now that we actually have Classic. Like for me, its delivering on what was promised... for the most part.
This video reminds me of the long conversations i used to have about wow back in vanilla days, great times. Asmon, some people are having a genuine life changing experience with classic wow, because they are ignoring the haters like you used to ignore that quest text.
I think this is the first time I am watching video you made and I am not trying to hate here and maybe I have come to your stream at the wrong times but would love if you where a bit more like this on stream :) and great video on explaining what we are a lot of people who feel
Former hardcore vanilla WoW player here. To me that period is a time capsule. We can open it up whatever, 15 or 20 years later and reminisce. But the experience of playing the game at that time will never even come close to being replicated. And honestly I don't really think you can even just let WoW Classic be its own thing either. Because WoW classic without the people from 15 years ago is not the same game. You hit the nail on the head when you compared it to seeing a classic rock band in the seventies. It might be nostalgic to see the same band again 30 years later but ultimately it's kind of like drinking a warm glass of water in the desert. You can't replicate how you felt seeing those bands as a teenager with your friends. The music might be the same but as someone who lived it at the time it was fresh, no remastered experience is going to make me come back. Again like you said, most people I imagine just play the game with goals now. There's nothing romantic about the experience anymore. Technically it's the same game. But the spirit of what it was has been gutted. And the spirit, at least for me, was 90% of what made it so remarkable. Vanilla WoW was a JOY. It really was. There's nothing joyous about replaying all that content 15 years later without the community which existed back then. Lastly what happens at the end of it all after Naxx? What happens after that raid is clear and everyone has their loot? Does everyone just pack it up and go "well that was a fun 5000 hours. Guess we go back to retail now..." That's an honest question nobody seems to want to talk about. Is WoW classic just the longest 2nd playthrough in the history of video games? What is Blizzard going to do? Are they REALLY going to ask people to replay Burning Crusade too?
Maybe I’m not remembering right but I thought blizzard said they were gunna or were thinking of doing a trilogy since they had every other version of wow completely backed up just not classic.
I got to level 40 something the first 5 days or so of playing. I hadnt really read about the planned phases. When I saw the length of time it was going to take to roll it all out I just stopped playing that day. I figured I would play for a year to a year and half, relive old times, clear Nax, and kill the few bosses that I didnt get to the first go around, and be done with it. I was in no way up for sticking around for years, waiting for content I had already played.
I recruited 4 real life friends for classic, most of which had never played an MMO and don't play games too much in general. We always quested and did dungeons together while on Discord. It was the most fun experience I've ever had playing the game because we didn't rush through anything. We'd half-assed roleplay to take the piss out of people and the game, bully every Alliance scumbag we saw out in the world, learned how to dehumanize people because of the races they play, have naked fist-fights outside of UBRS on the ledge and make the loser jump to their death. That stupid shit is where Classic shines, not from any of the actual content. I've noticed that players now have very little personality or willingness to actually do things that don't reward them. It's sad because it's your own fault if you're not having fun.
Not gonna lie dude but this video is what I want more from you on content. I really enjoyed the watch I felt like it was thoughtful reflective and bestows a bit of wisdom on its viewers. Classic wow is a game and you gotta let people enjoy it there own way. I would totally watch more of these. Thanks for posting it.
I only started watching some of your RUclips steams/vblogs/etc. recently. I know, I've been living under a rock (or in Azeroth). Anyway, Zack, I wanted to say you are right on the money here. It is a game and there are too many young, "hardcore," and immature players who believe they are the gods gift to Lady Sylvanas. I love MMO's. I played EQ/EQ2 for a couple fo decades. I worked on, and played Star Wars Galaxies, I worked in the computer industry for a few decades, and to me, the best part of MMO's are the relationships that I have made in game (some have become RL). A little kindness goes a long way. You never step into the same river twice, LOL, I LOVE that man! I see "elite" players who burn through content and when there is nothing left for them to do, before the next xpac hits, they go to charging other players for boosts, and take it out their frustration on some others. It's crazy how shitty some players can be to others, especially if they are in a PUG... they should know better. Anyway, in this video, you are very calm, mature (cough cough), articulate, to the point and embody a maturity that I wish other players had. Live can be a cesspool... but I'm sad to see Classic succumbing to the idiotic majority. Blizzard could take charge of the situation. This is a game, and it should be fun, but not at somebody else's expensive, unless they give consent.
Very interesting video, thanks for it. I played myself into an deep depression with WoW Classic release and ruined the whole experience totally for myself. Made a lot of mistakes (social wise) that I did back then in 2005/2006 again and got eventually so frustrated, that I quitted without even reaching lvl 60. Now I'm struggling, thinking about going back to it since for gameplay reasons I like it more than Retail, but it feels like I missed my goals and lost a lot of time now.
I really miss seeing this asmon on stream instead of constant drama and yelling. I know it’s partly an act but feel bad when it becomes a regular thing.
"While Classic WoW isnt vanilla WoW, it can still be classic WoW...and that's not a bad thing" Well said sir. Appreciate him when he's this articulate.
Just started playing for WoW for the first time ever. Never really even got into an mmo before. All I can say so far is I feel like an idiot for not playing sooner. Been looking for a different game/type of game to play for a while and this is it. I bought minecraft when it was in alpha and it gives me the same feeling of placing down your first crafting table every time I run a dungeon or complete a quest. Thank you Zack for showing me the potential in this awesome game.
@Pontus Olsson I’ve watched it to so what’s your point I thought it was a good video how he’s talking about classic quest and people getting kicked out of the game in battle grounds, he also talks about ninja looting. He is addressing problems that need attention in the game and how people need to be less judge mental.
Thanks for this. I’m new to WoW but have been playing Classic every day since launch. Just got a Swift Mistsaber on my Human Priest! Recently got Benediction too! I’ve been having loads of fun. My own journey has been interesting and unique to myself. I even farmed Scalding Whelps from 40-43 getting my Companion! Anyway. My experience with WoW has been memorable! 😆
Sword of the Morning Shouldn’t we be happy young people are playing our game? Wtf is your problem. You want it to just be a bunch of sweaty middle aged assholes?
Agree agree agree, this is incredibly well thought out. I was a player who rarely raided. this time around I wanted the experience of raiding. It has been thoroughly enjoyable .
I purposely stay away from websites like Wowhead-Classic and I don't use addons. My current high character is only lvl 32 and I have 2.5 gold. I don't even have all my spells. I'm enjoying the old game mechanics on my hunter. My pet actually does what I tell him to do. I love trying to find beasts that have the skills my pet needs . I like having to think about how I'm going fight my way into the tower in northern dark shore to kill the head warlock. or how I'm going to wipe out 6 mobs as a solo player. I love meeting random people and teaming up with them for a short duration to meet common goals. Granted I play on Atiesh because I knew the hell the pvp servers would be. I was bad at pvp 15 years ago and as someone 15 years older I can safely say my reflexes are not as good as they were back then. Overall I'm having a blast. Several of my old guild mates have returned for Classic so yeah for us it has been a great experience.
Aww that is so cute. I wish I could have enjoyed the game that way. I will never forget my darkshore exploration in 2006, when I started. A little gnome rogue named Sharpshadow, trying to figure out where to find the turtle skeletons locations, whole being so scared of the murlocs that kept killing me. I cna never recapture that, because I am so much better at playing now. :(
Really well said, Zack. Some people seem to think taking the game at your own pace is not a good thing. It's nice when people are coordinated and optimized, no denying, but there's also something to be said about taking your time and playing as you like. As a first time Classic player I've been loving just exploring the world and questing + running the occasional dungeon. I might only be 52 on my main, but the experience has been pretty positive.
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it's incredible how much easier it is to listen to asmon when he's not streaming.
the chill is much, MUCH appreciated
Yep. This was basically like the old WoD streams. 2015ish.
He is grinding now.
its because he doesnt have an entire chat room disagreeing with all his points
2019: Everyone is an elitist sweaty tryhard.
2006: Let's just have fun.
This goes for all games, not just WoW.
I played wow in 2006-2007 with lets just have fun mindset. I started playing wow classic at launch and I still do what I want because I want to have fun my way. I haven't changed... the fucking zoomer's have changed. lol
Nope. Play for fun if you want. I minmaxxed 10 years ago and I do now. That’s what is fun for me.
You are just scared of “playing for fun” and being not good. It is your perspective that needs work.
We are all jaded.
People were still elitist in 2006 lol.
And if I have fun being a tryhard?
Yeah, it only took one or two weeks for my classic server to fill up with BiS-obsessed 40s/50s tryhards.
At that point I was like, thanks for the memories WoW, but I'm done here :)
Wish you were a bit more chill like this on stream
Old asmon PepeHands
it just an acting
@@mrMeaker1 Oh yeah, I know. I just can't watch him for that long when he goes hard on that persona. I like the real asmon, not the fake asmon.
Yea, i wish he would stay true to himself like he is in this video. I like Asmon but i don't like when he forces fake reaction on stream, it just doesn't feel true to himself. Why is why i miss the old Asmon when he was really himself and not trying to please everyone at the same time
I don't watch his stream; I only watch these videos lol
I would watch this Zack guy stream.
😂👌 so lit🔥
"Turns out the sun went down" lmao the true classic experience
factual statement
The playerbase of Classic is steadily decreasing. Lots of realms went from full to medium or even low population, while retail actually feels like it gained players instead of losing them. Even some people in my guild started appreciating retail more after Classic came out. So vanilla already served its purpose. To show people that it is actually worse and more boring than BfA.
@John Rock That sounds exactly like what Classic hardcore fans who still play would say. I guess that's what happens when you only talk to the people who are on your Classic servers. But those people who really do prefer classic are not a representative population of all WOW players. Classic bores me to death, and even Asmongold made a video recently where he said it's so fucking basic and easy and boring. Zero-mechanic raid bosses. Single-spell spamming classes. Most classes being beyond broken with only having 1 viable spec, if lucky. The illusion of choice with the terrible talent trees where the choices are so easy that I literally always make my own talents just by reading tooltips and guessing what would be most optimal, and then I go and look at actual theorycrafting guides and see that my choices were identical. I've only ever been off by maybe 1-2 talents, and those were the optional/variation talents. :-P The same problem exists in retail. There's only 1 way to spec. But retail does have more impactful talents and there are often 2 or even 3 viable choices per tier. All in all, there's so much more to do on retail, and the raids and M+ are harder than anything has EVER been in classic. Anyone who believes otherwise must suck at WoW. Classic is ultra-easy.
@John Rock Well okay that is the one thing I like about classic. Its charming simplicity. :P But running the same dungeons over and over in Classic, because there's nothing else to do, isn't fun...
The journey to 60 is the most fun Classic has to offer... like being a hunter, exploring the world, taming beasts, finding new skills from various beasts, doing quests and actually exploring the world... that's the cool part. That's why it's so nuts that people are all speedrunning to 60. And at 60, they only thing left in the game is a bunch of repetitive dungeons and easy raids. Staring at the same things endlessly. That's why Asmongold recently said that he hates Classic...
At least in retail, when you're bored, you just go chill with some pokemon battling (in dungeons, or vs the world, or vs other player), or go for achievements and mounts, or archaeology (cool tools and toys), or do old raids for cool looking transmog gear, or explore all continents and their quests, or play the auction house game to get filthy rich and pay your WoW sub that way, etc... Or go for extremely hard Mythic+ or endgame raids... There's so much to do in retail WoW. And for everyone who complains about the "lack" of community: Join a guild. Have fun with friends. Join discord while you play. Play with them instead of randoms. There's tons of social people in the game, and the social aspect is what _you_ make of it.
Likewise, people complaining about LFR/LFD tools for instant dungeons are missing the point. Those are child-versions of the dungeons. The actually hard versions of the dungeons/raids can ONLY be done with skilled friends (guild), communication and coordination.
And what about lore? Well, modern WoW is waaaay more evolved. The classic world feels kinda pathetic and dead. The retail world is populated with epic events and questlines and cinematics. The game making and storytelling has evolved since 2004.
What do I dislike about the modern WoW? Only one thing... The randomized loot, which is more like Diablo 3 loot (random attributes) than an MMO loot. There are still unique items with unique abilities and designs, but overall there is too much randomly generated gear. They need to get that shit out of the game and start designing items individually with flavor again. That is the only complaint I have about the game.
@John Rock You're a complete moron. So are the Classic nutjobs. You're opposite ends of the very same stupidity.
Neither is "dead". Both are successful.
Why is this Zack guy in Asmongold’s room?
*lair
Fool you let tresspaser to enter Asmongold sanctum
hes a spy
its the same person
@@enragedshadow No way cant be.
Inb4 Asmongold reacts.
Fuc u
@@Dan-pp3qd well that escalated quickly.
@Teringventje Do you get bullied alot?
@Esoteric Groyper Ha yea that would be funny as shit.
@Kere I thought it was a good joke 😄
"It doesn't matter what you do, someone in the community is going to have an opinion about the way that you're playing this game."
Damn, you got me. I've been very vocal about my hate for streamers, about elitists, about min/maxers... about how EVERYONE that isn't playing the game like me is hurting the game.
You made me hold a mirror up to myself, and looking in, I see that I'm just a different KIND of elitist... and my attitude isn't doing the game any favors either.
You've humbled me.
Now THAT is a good youtube comment!!!!!!!
well said. always nice to hear zack instead of asmon
tldr; people didn't want classic, they wanted to be 15 again
Wow this comment hits hard
True :(
15 was my favorite year, best game and best time in my life
Not true at all. People wanted Classic but brought their retail mentality into it. Came in expecting what was not to be expected and came out disappointed. I'm having a blast to this day, because I took a completely different approach than streamers and most of my friends.
I wanted classic. Still playing it too
I really feel the old asmongold in this, I wish you could be like this on stream :(
Rumid nah, not what makes him streamable at his volume.
I like both of his personalities
He can't be like this if he wants that Twitch sperg money
Sadly this just isnt how streaming works. You have to be different, there isnt a big streamer that isnt sorry to crush your dreams
@@Volfur2251 that's how mafia works (c)
You projecting this way gave me a changed perspective of you for the better.
Zach is one of the most well spoken people I have ever listened to. His train of thought is so uninterrupted and streamlined that’s its difficult to imagine that he’s not reading it from bullet points.
True
Big true
Remeber when you used to post highlights?
Now you just uploaded reactions with 6 ads on each video...
@@foswa6335 Sad, but true. Assertonsin > catdany nowadays
@@Gondawn Assertonsin has been slacking for months. Catdany uploads daily on the official highlights channel now.
CatDany is going pro, he is working on Asmons official channel
The life patches was my favorite part. Spot on.
As someone who's followed you since MoP seeing this same setup is nostalgic and so awesome to me idk why. It just feels like the old Zack from 6 years + back
Insightful and informative as usual. Its amazing how much classic has taught us about things can never really go back (which isnt all bad).
"It was terrible.. I did it" Basically sums up classic for me and a lot of other people
the whole experience or just phase 2? because phase 2, jesus what a nightmare.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 idk i loved phase 2
The leveling experience is good , (you didnt experience it sitting in dungeons 24/7) ... finding help to do things, pvping with people in different quest zones, fighting to tag mobs first , or mining nodes .... at level 60 it just turned into a fight with everyone to get loot loot loot loot ....
For me leveling was fantastic I was one the first to 60 in my guild. Played rogue and it was a struggle because rogue is not a good solo level (I did grp when needed). Once I hit 60 I grinded for mount by farming brd pickpocketing.. But honestly after raiding MC for a month.. I just couldnt do it anymore.. it was so boring. Phase 2 came and I played a few times.. but 100v100 with tons of lag is not for me.. so I'm done
I just binged 41 as a mage, w/o any addons, just playing it like old times
Honestly I love when you make these videos it feels like you are in the same room hanging out. My community loves you. Bro thank you for all you do for us. Love you man
Keep doing this videos man, i love this chill Zack.
you think he will stop now? after doing these for 10 years
"Optimize the fun". That is pure gold. How hard can it be for people to leave me alone when playing the game on a suboptimal way?
Rafel García how hard would it be for you to now cry over a video game? Grow up, stop being offended by words on a screen incel
Absolutely nobody gives a shit about the way you decide to play the game but you cannot expect YOUR idea of how to play the game to have fun to force on other players when doing group content. Want a chill sunken temple run with some light roleplaying inbetween which takes 4 hours? Sure, have at it, but I won't invite you into my group if that's what you're looking for because I do not want to do it. I want that blue item because I want to get the most of my character. The hatred against min maxers is just as annoying as the bashing of RP'ers
@@aadas4007 You're right. At the end of the day, every type of player needs to find the people who would enjoy playing with them, because all ways of playing are valid, it's just a subjective matter.
@Rafel García
I like your Black Templar Logo. "For the Emperor!".
I have always played my toons the way I wanted to. I never worried about optimizing my hunter back in the day. I just took talents that seemed to fit the way I was playing.
This is a great, constructive and chill video tho, thank you Asmon, you brought my hope for you back
This is actually a very well done retrospective on the subject. Far better than what I would normally expect from any streamer.
absolutely loved this video. Genuine, very insightful take.
For me personally , as a person who played wow casually back in the days, all the "pRo tIpS RUclipsrs and Streamers" ruined the game for me. It was my bad to consume their content. I agree with Asmon.
Well, it's like AI. It's inevitable. You can't slow down the technology. You just gotta adapt accordingly.
Good get fucked idiot enjoy dead game
@@ruskyhusky69 Yep and i failed to do that. But now i know.
@@ezaf5989 Hold on internet edgelord , what do you mean?
@@ezaf5989 Username didn't translate to in-game performance I see
Honestly I think the launch of Classic wow gave us something very special and unique which lasted a short amount of time but really hit us all really hard. Even though it's a bit sad that it didn't stay that way, I really am thankful that Blizzard gave us that chance to feel like our old dumb teenage selves once more, even if for a short time. The launch of classic was something I definitely will never forget and, maybe in a way it was the closure we all needed to accept that, now it's time to move on after getting to experience that magical feeling one last time. I managed to reach max level in classic, which was something I could never reach as a kid and.. well in a weird way I feel fulfilled. Love you all, keep up the good work Zack, always enjoyed your stream and vids.
Some genuine insight here, well thought out and delivered. Thumbs up man.
I think its awesome that so many more people are getting to see all the content and I'm really excited to see a ton of people clear AQ and Naxx. This game was a huge step forward for gaming culture and it deserves to be seen by way more gamers.
I love the poor image and audio quality. Not joking or being sarcastic, I genuinely like it. Reminds me of old youtube. Thanks for the real talks Zack.
Same.
Yeah feels cozy and oldschool. Just a dude and his camera talking about smth.
same
He is a nice guy. Just wish he would clean the piles of garbage. Is he a hoarder? Why does he have moldy, months-old fast food packages everywhere? Imagine the musty stench in his room. Is this a typical room for his viewers too?
@@BenderdickCumbersnatch his room is cluttered because he hate Jordan Peterson and this is a form of protest against him.
If Asmon was actually himself on stream I'd probably watch his streams lol. All I know him from now is the occasional youtube video that slips into my recommendations.
Thank you for making these videos Zack.
The best content i consumed about Classic WoW in weeks.
What made Classic so good back in the day: the community, what ruined 2019 Classic wow: the community.
Yeah.
That is so true
The communities on pve servers are phenomenal, I know people want to play pvp for the true classic experience but if you are thinking of quitting due to the community try a pve server
Numpty its so much more than the pvp. Its the min/maxing mentallity that ruins it
eh i dunno, im having fun. Never played vanilla before
I appreciated this commentary :) I am a first time WoW player, and was convinced to try Classic. I like to think that while I may not have the classic 2006 experience, to me, it feels like a "Classic" experience, as the addons and videos do help me optimize, the game itself still challenges me. It takes longer to level and to make gold compared to other games which makes a huge change for me :) The sheer size of the world is great too. Being busy in school a lot too helps me feel less of a fast track experience in the game too. I LOVE fishing...it's a unique system xD
Great video, enjoyed hearing your thoughts on Classic.
Man, im a fan of you as a streamer. But this video alone made me a fan of you as a person. Very insightful, very open. Subbing to Zack.
You have an incredibly amazing analytical mind, and a high level capacity to describe accurately your thoughts. Keep it up.
If only he was Zack on stream than Asmon more often.
Goal oriented players, that's the main factor why the experience is different, I agree here. Games are taken much more seriously now and more competitive than it used to be 10 years ago. Back in the days you'd group up to kill an elite that wasn't even your quest mob, causd you had no idea what you'd get in terms of loot since you haven't done it before. And that's how you make friends. Nowadays you group to be 1 step closer to your goal and other people in the group are treated as tools to getting their and that's fine, that's how we play nowadays, cause multiplayer is a very common concept now. It wasn't back in the days that's why every in-game encounter mattered, and you knew the baddest motherfuckers on your servers name by name.
Gorthax now you’ve got people popping ony head intentionally early just to make sure your guild can’t get the buff for MC clear times lol
@@SacredCASHcow Yet it's more efficient and that is what many gamers are about now. Efficiency and speed is king, it's just how gaming has evolved.
@@SacredCASHcow I think you are missing the point actually, you could play classic the old way but it's almost impossible now. Efficiency and speed has been a part of the vast majority of new games for years now. This mentality has been ingrained in most of the design of newer games. If you play a lot of games from the 2010's the mentality of "efficiency and speed" has been hammered into our brains that sub-consciously most gamers think this way when playing a game. Why wouldn't this translate over to an mmo? It is a lot harder to avoid this mentality in mmo's since people will use it on you and expect the same mentality from you. A failure to think this way often means exile from the group and/or activity. I can vouch that many communities of new mmo's and mmo lite's are like this(aka Destiny and Warframe).
@@younghegelian4815 I would have to say this efficiency and speed thing hasn't changed at all. It has always been present. From games in the 90's to now. I would say game design itself certainly emphasizes that now but anyone can impose that decision on themselves though it is tougher in a social game. The problem is that focus has gotten to the point now where the experience sucks sometimes. The journey seems to have been forgotten. For as long as I have played games I typically approached games that way once I understood the systems. Society as a whole is trying to do more in a day than we could possibly have done 20 years ago, before smartphones and the internet etc. No doubt the ease of accessing information in general has changed dramatically and is MUCH faster than it used to be and that for sure has modified peoples perspectives across the board. You without doubt can still play Classic however you please. It is certainly still possible to take your time and not worry about efficiency. Its a self imposed metric, not just in WoW but in any game. Same as a single player game. People don't NEED to play efficiently. That play style is a choice. More people prefer to now, or so it appears and the perception now is that any other approach is time wasted. Thankfully that isn't the entire community. Games, just as movies and any other form of entertainment, are supposed to be that. Entertainment. You decide how you consume it. You certainly do not have to play how everyone else wants to. Diablo 2 was a great example of that. Players would try synergy builds just to see how well you could pull off a throw barb for example. There was always the most time efficient builds. Just as there is now. The min/max, efficiency is all that matters perspective has certainly had some negative impact on the game in that those who are focused solely on how fast they can get something done usually dominate those who just want to enjoy the game or experience etc.This comes from someone who looks at it both ways. I love the journey, but in the case of WoW, I cant help but focus on efficiency. Listening to this video as I type this and Asmond sounds like he is making a similiar point at I am guessing 17 minutes. in that regard I have to say SacredCASHcow is absolutely right. Wow Classic is NOT focused on speed and efficiency and it never will be. Retail is.
I was waiting for this. Was considering getting into WoW but was unsure of which version. I still don't know, but I know more now. Thank you.
Great video, I really enjoyed this. I also like that chair in the back, I need one like that.
i still hate asmongold, but i can respect Zack.
Do you understand that his on stream persona is not who he is actually is though?
best comment so far 😂
@@garrettcason3692 that's the entire point of this comment. Thought it went without saying his on stream personality asmongold I hate, him as just Zack I respect. Really didn't think I would have to break it down
@@Airborne_all_the_way718 It's the internet. If something can be misinterpreted, it will be. No matter how obvious, sadly.
@Grim Sleeper Yes.
I'm proud to say my 30 to 40 was completely clean of the SM grind. I still got my mount and everything was very proud of myself.
Well said, Sir. Good to see the serious side of you and hear your thoughts. Agree with all of this
Asmon you are a legend. The first time I met you was in wotlk. I remember your Vault of Archavon raids. You always keep it real and have the most fun. We grew up on this game. Played with you and raided with you a few times over the years since then. enjoy the rest of your life Asmon and I don't regret a single second either.
Something I thought was interesting was that Reddit post you read on stream recently. It’s not the game that’s changed, it’s the people who have. We have fond memories not because of rose tinted goggles, but because it was actually that fun back then. Problem is, we’ve changed as people over the years. Things we found fun before aren’t fun now, and different things are fun now. Like in your 90’s comedy movie, it probably was funny to you years ago, but now your sense of humor has changed
Yes youre right, been saying this all along, its why I didnt go back and wont, everything is different.
This 1000%
nailed it
@elitist douche bag I agree, i never played vanilla and classic is far from perfect but i still prefer it over Retail.
I dont disagree totally but cmon... People have changed? Maybe its cuz we all playing a Game where everybody can google Quests, Solution, Bossfight Tactics, the Patch we playing on is the Pre Naxx Patch. The List could go on and on. Back when i was 14 i literally KNEW shit about the game, mechanics, bosses, enchants and it took me MONTHS for level 60. Now? Dude its embarrassing if your not 60 after 3 Weeks of starting. U cant come up with something old and call it new and think the community is the same it was in Vanilla.
Wow Classic is like that first album you got into. You bought the tshirt, you read the lyrics to each song, you identified with it, saw the band perform it live, and it’s still a staple in your collection.
Then the band released a few more albums, some members left, and some new members came in, and while you still like them a lot, it’s just not that classic first record that originally struck a chord with you.
Then the original lineup gets back together after 15 years and they’re going to go on tour.. you of course go because you want to be there, and yeah, they can still get the job done, but....
I love you asmon! keep this channel the way it is!
What was epic about vanilla 15 years ago were the first moments of things we experienced. I remember when I went to Darkshore for the first time, Azshara etc. The music, the combat, dungeons etc. Even thinking of countless hours I've spent in dead mines, I get instant chills. You cannot relive those experiences. You cannot meet the same people again, create same friendships again. The fact that all of us initially sucked and that we had no expectations of the game was what made the experience great. It was a true exploration experience. Every new zone I visited, every new skills I gained, every new dungeon I finished, everything was brand new. Not just brand new in the context of WoW but for majority of us back then, WoW was the first MMO we played. We didn't have websites to check loot, to check most optimal ways to get somewhere, we didn't know whats coming. And that was exciting. You are killing some world boss, some rare or whatever, you have no idea what's gonna drop. All that being said, enjoy the memories you had back in the days guys, remember the people you played with, remember the events you participated in. Don't try to recreate that, because you can only ruin it.
rip treehouse
Asmon doing his bedroom vlog type videos is pure asmr no homo. It would be more soothing than mad season if he had chill instrumental music playing in the background
Thanks for taking the time to post this. I wholeheartedly agree with everything you stated, and, before the flames begin, I played classic as a hardcore quote unquote raider. The divide between the have and have nots shrunk drastically since 2005. Everyone has access to the information now. Not many have nots around anymore...unless your a different kind of special. I'm subbed here but still waiting to like an asmon vid. Zack is way more chill
Amazing vid, ty for this
To be fair, as far as toxic communities go, it’s not like you ever helped things out much in that regard, Asmon
I said the same thing. But he did include himself in the context which makes me say, "He is self-aware" lol
Who the fuck is asmon?
How was he toxic?
Server sizes and the lack of GMs have killed it for me.
When I played Vanilla I remember a group of Horde camping a flightpath for about 30 minutes once.
Someone complained to a GM, he turned up and told them something like, "You've had your fun guys but this is going too far, now scram." One Horde was teleported somewhere and the others ran.
I feel like if these raids camping every flightpath happened back then then GMs would've done something about it like they already used to on a smaller scale.
Blizzard has been way too hands off with Classic.
Roll PvE
Play on a pve server?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
@@BloteBast @Kryptiiq Big brained ideas from the legendary virgin brothers here.
@@Arkantos117 I didn't know you would get upset. I'm sorry.
@@BloteBast >upset
Woah you're reading me like a book there mate.
Great video zack. I enjoy watch you on Twitch, but these are great too...it gives you a space to reflect on your thoughts without pepega spergery
Didnt know you did this, never been into watching streams. Never had the time but I would catch up at night or listen to recaps on youtube while driving. People were giving you so much crap, as Asmon and even though I didnt always agree I could tell you were an intelligent person. I Think this really solidifies that for me. You speak with a poise and clarity that even though I don't think it's your intent really shows your intellect regarding the subject matter. You should deffinantly do more of these, it was refreshing to listen to.
“Sometime it don’t be that way, but it do” -Asmongold 2019
The games great because for me there is a clear, long term goal to which I can focus on, a goal of making a name for myself. Every night I can get on and know there are 15-30 other like minded people waiting to hang out, talk shit, and grind in game for hours doing PVE or PVP content. I don't believe the game is any different vs what I knew in vanilla, in fact I would go so far as to say I'm having the exact same experience, but through the eyes of a man 15 years older.
Midway through vanilla we all knew what was to come with Naxx and how good gear was. We theory crafted and speculated what was BiS and had a reasonable fair rotations for Tier lot and a silent bidding system for off set items that used DKP (worked well enough). I was a try hard and was pushing content while grinding HWL gaming the system and making pacts with the other groups. And here we are 15 years later, doing the same thing, with new people. Its the same game and I absolutely love that
Much like this honest style. Great and fair video
Great video, good message, thank you!
He’s not lying being young and the whole gaming scene was much much different at original release seemed so much harder...which nowadays is a joke lol...BTW good content man
Tbh people started downing rag at a regular basis when zul gurub came out, zul gurub was basically a catch up mechanic for mc, also dire maul.
Dire Maul came very early to this version of the game to boost people through MC. We also do have nerfed bosses and buffed classes.
Asmongold doesnt play the game that its supposed to. He got people up 9-10 hours a day that would quit wow in a second if he would switch to minecraft.
They play because of him.
I've been playing classic wow very casually, exploring and taking my time; pretty much "the classic wow experience." 6 days playtime so far starting from classic wow's launch at lvl 39 on my first character. it's nice to take it easy, but it gets very lonely since a lot of other people are already focused on raiding and pvp content and most people that are leveling with me now are just alt accounts that are dungeon grinding. It doesn't feel like there are many new/returning players coming in anymore without the intent of solely wanting to get to the endgame.
Hang in there man. I keep rolling alts and just taking my time and there are still noobs ! Makes the game still feel alive but it depends on your server.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm totally enjoying the game as is. I'll always like wow and I'm still gonna continue playing classic, just at the same moderate pace until I get to 60
I love this chill Zack over your Asmongold persona. I understand that your viewers enjoy that persona and you gotta make that bread but, you are such an intelligent dude and this is much more enjoyable for me to watch (personally). Either keep killing it dude.
Finaly new video! :) Nice
I agree with a lot that was said here but there's something I just want to point out anyway.
The game was definitely romanticized to an insane degree, but I personally just like the fundamental differences in design of the game then with later WoW expansions. It's not just nostalgia it's that I actually think it's more fun. I enjoy how gear works and pvp gear which is completely different nowadays the gear felt more unique and simpler. I enjoy having to read the quests and figure out what I'm doing or where I'm going. I don't think the game is difficult but you definitely have to pay more attention to pulls and the investment into the game determines the reward not the challenge necessarily.( I also like one difficulty raids and dungeons and the leveling ) The classes also feel way more unique no one can deny that.
It's the dated aspects of the game that are so appealing to me and people have tried to clone these ideas in "old school MMOs." There's also a vast amount of content to complete realistically but it feels simpler then current WoW and I like that. I like when the content is all rolled out I can essentially "beat the game" on a character and that would still take forever. And you can roll alts to do it again.
That's why I think it's so genius to re release this version because you don't even need to update it I think it would still persist for years to come even with out like Classic+. Which would be interesting to see content added to this version of the game but I don't know
Classic+ would basically defeat the purpose of Classic, they are better off with a TBC and WOTLK server.
That being said they can improve the current retail version of wow to be more like classic so in that regard you'll never run out of content and still can get the classic feel
@John Rock like most MMO's, and im not saying that retail wow is bad. thats subjective. its the elements of vanilla WoW i personally enjoy more. and i feel like people arent pointing that enough now that we actually have Classic. Like for me, its delivering on what was promised... for the most part.
MY MAN A WHOLE LIFE SPENT ON WORLD OF WARCRAFT THATS MY BOY
This video reminds me of the long conversations i used to have about wow back in vanilla days, great times. Asmon, some people are having a genuine life changing experience with classic wow, because they are ignoring the haters like you used to ignore that quest text.
I think this is the first time I am watching video you made and I am not trying to hate here and maybe I have come to your stream at the wrong times but would love if you where a bit more like this on stream :) and great video on explaining what we are a lot of people who feel
Former hardcore vanilla WoW player here. To me that period is a time capsule. We can open it up whatever, 15 or 20 years later and reminisce. But the experience of playing the game at that time will never even come close to being replicated. And honestly I don't really think you can even just let WoW Classic be its own thing either. Because WoW classic without the people from 15 years ago is not the same game. You hit the nail on the head when you compared it to seeing a classic rock band in the seventies. It might be nostalgic to see the same band again 30 years later but ultimately it's kind of like drinking a warm glass of water in the desert. You can't replicate how you felt seeing those bands as a teenager with your friends. The music might be the same but as someone who lived it at the time it was fresh, no remastered experience is going to make me come back. Again like you said, most people I imagine just play the game with goals now. There's nothing romantic about the experience anymore. Technically it's the same game. But the spirit of what it was has been gutted. And the spirit, at least for me, was 90% of what made it so remarkable. Vanilla WoW was a JOY. It really was. There's nothing joyous about replaying all that content 15 years later without the community which existed back then.
Lastly what happens at the end of it all after Naxx? What happens after that raid is clear and everyone has their loot? Does everyone just pack it up and go "well that was a fun 5000 hours. Guess we go back to retail now..." That's an honest question nobody seems to want to talk about. Is WoW classic just the longest 2nd playthrough in the history of video games? What is Blizzard going to do? Are they REALLY going to ask people to replay Burning Crusade too?
Maybe I’m not remembering right but I thought blizzard said they were gunna or were thinking of doing a trilogy since they had every other version of wow completely backed up just not classic.
I got to level 40 something the first 5 days or so of playing. I hadnt really read about the planned phases. When I saw the length of time it was going to take to roll it all out I just stopped playing that day. I figured I would play for a year to a year and half, relive old times, clear Nax, and kill the few bosses that I didnt get to the first go around, and be done with it. I was in no way up for sticking around for years, waiting for content I had already played.
I recruited 4 real life friends for classic, most of which had never played an MMO and don't play games too much in general. We always quested and did dungeons together while on Discord. It was the most fun experience I've ever had playing the game because we didn't rush through anything. We'd half-assed roleplay to take the piss out of people and the game, bully every Alliance scumbag we saw out in the world, learned how to dehumanize people because of the races they play, have naked fist-fights outside of UBRS on the ledge and make the loser jump to their death. That stupid shit is where Classic shines, not from any of the actual content. I've noticed that players now have very little personality or willingness to actually do things that don't reward them. It's sad because it's your own fault if you're not having fun.
For the Alliance
Xenonecromera Actually a lot of people can’t have fun because they have no friends who play good games
@@nev7 Yeah all of my friends either don't want to spend a dime on games or aren't interested in WoW.
Not gonna lie dude but this video is what I want more from you on content. I really enjoyed the watch I felt like it was thoughtful reflective and bestows a bit of wisdom on its viewers. Classic wow is a game and you gotta let people enjoy it there own way. I would totally watch more of these. Thanks for posting it.
I only started watching some of your RUclips steams/vblogs/etc. recently. I know, I've been living under a rock (or in Azeroth). Anyway, Zack, I wanted to say you are right on the money here. It is a game and there are too many young, "hardcore," and immature players who believe they are the gods gift to Lady Sylvanas. I love MMO's. I played EQ/EQ2 for a couple fo decades. I worked on, and played Star Wars Galaxies, I worked in the computer industry for a few decades, and to me, the best part of MMO's are the relationships that I have made in game (some have become RL). A little kindness goes a long way. You never step into the same river twice, LOL, I LOVE that man!
I see "elite" players who burn through content and when there is nothing left for them to do, before the next xpac hits, they go to charging other players for boosts, and take it out their frustration on some others. It's crazy how shitty some players can be to others, especially if they are in a PUG... they should know better. Anyway, in this video, you are very calm, mature (cough cough), articulate, to the point and embody a maturity that I wish other players had. Live can be a cesspool... but I'm sad to see Classic succumbing to the idiotic majority. Blizzard could take charge of the situation. This is a game, and it should be fun, but not at somebody else's expensive, unless they give consent.
I really miss the old environment of your streams like how they were in WoD and Legion with just you and Mcconnell.
ChivalryTheHero Legion streams were the best i want to go back
McConnell is gone
@@smalltrashman4227 No kidding, Asmon threw him away.
@@ChivalryTheHero Um? Are you serious? You're hating asmon because of a life decision McConnell made? You sure have a hateful soul.
@@smalltrashman4227 when did you say he hated asmon?
Anyone still watching this in 2019?
It's 2020 man, get with the times.
@@ElvenMans what if it is 1020
Rly good video man, keep it up! :=D
Good video nice to see this side of u
I am taking my time in classic. I am still level 36. It's been fun chilling out.
Me, looking around the room: "How could I clean this shithole up....."
It is all I see, I cannot get passed it.
Your best video yet :)
Very interesting video, thanks for it. I played myself into an deep depression with WoW Classic release and ruined the whole experience totally for myself. Made a lot of mistakes (social wise) that I did back then in 2005/2006 again and got eventually so frustrated, that I quitted without even reaching lvl 60. Now I'm struggling, thinking about going back to it since for gameplay reasons I like it more than Retail, but it feels like I missed my goals and lost a lot of time now.
I really miss seeing this asmon on stream instead of constant drama and yelling. I know it’s partly an act but feel bad when it becomes a regular thing.
"While Classic WoW isnt vanilla WoW, it can still be classic WoW...and that's not a bad thing"
Well said sir. Appreciate him when he's this articulate.
he said it just as I read this wtf
@@HorizonXD wtf same
Yes! Glad to see a post here.
Just started playing for WoW for the first time ever. Never really even got into an mmo before. All I can say so far is I feel like an idiot for not playing sooner. Been looking for a different game/type of game to play for a while and this is it. I bought minecraft when it was in alpha and it gives me the same feeling of placing down your first crafting table every time I run a dungeon or complete a quest. Thank you Zack for showing me the potential in this awesome game.
sick asmongold cosplay, he even tried to recreate the lair
what hair?
Andreas Rask u need glasses bro
KYUMA No, I need sleep
Andreas Rask yea me 2
He has a penis shaped chair though.
Hope your doing good zack! Loved the video.
2 secons after he posted it you have already watched the whole vid? dont lie bitch
Hes never gonna respond to you.
@DansBLACKFLAG idc if he responds as long as he sees it and knows his viewers care about him then I’m fine with it
@@clue3929 He doesnt care, you're a paypig to him.
@Pontus Olsson I’ve watched it to so what’s your point I thought it was a good video how he’s talking about classic quest and people getting kicked out of the game in battle grounds, he also talks about ninja looting. He is addressing problems that need attention in the game and how people need to be less judge mental.
Loved that. Subbed!
Its videos like this that make me a fan dood.
Except for Happy Gilmore, that shit will always be hilarious.
"you think you do, but you don't"
Some things go round.
You nailed it, we aren't kid anymore, but it's living out that fantasy of what we wish we could have done in WoW as a teenager.
Thanks for this.
I’m new to WoW but have been playing Classic every day since launch. Just got a Swift Mistsaber on my Human Priest! Recently got Benediction too! I’ve been having loads of fun.
My own journey has been interesting and unique to myself. I even farmed Scalding Whelps from 40-43 getting my Companion!
Anyway. My experience with WoW has been memorable! 😆
im not even 60 yet because ive just been questing and dungeoning at my own pace. It really feels great. I feel sorry for people who rushed 60.
Level 51 now...will be ready for 60 dungeons and MC soon ^^
I’m 17 years old now, and I LOVE playing classic wow
@@dawn-blade nobody needs to ask. its a comment section
@@ghostcrawler2 ikr lmao
@@dawn-blade rich?
Same
Sword of the Morning Shouldn’t we be happy young people are playing our game? Wtf is your problem. You want it to just be a bunch of sweaty middle aged assholes?
Awesome video.
Agree agree agree, this is incredibly well thought out. I was a player who rarely raided. this time around I wanted the experience of raiding. It has been thoroughly enjoyable .
I purposely stay away from websites like Wowhead-Classic and I don't use addons. My current high character is only lvl 32 and I have 2.5 gold. I don't even have all my spells. I'm enjoying the old game mechanics on my hunter. My pet actually does what I tell him to do. I love trying to find beasts that have the skills my pet needs . I like having to think about how I'm going fight my way into the tower in northern dark shore to kill the head warlock. or how I'm going to wipe out 6 mobs as a solo player. I love meeting random people and teaming up with them for a short duration to meet common goals. Granted I play on Atiesh because I knew the hell the pvp servers would be. I was bad at pvp 15 years ago and as someone 15 years older I can safely say my reflexes are not as good as they were back then. Overall I'm having a blast. Several of my old guild mates have returned for Classic so yeah for us it has been a great experience.
Aww that is so cute. I wish I could have enjoyed the game that way. I will never forget my darkshore exploration in 2006, when I started. A little gnome rogue named Sharpshadow, trying to figure out where to find the turtle skeletons locations, whole being so scared of the murlocs that kept killing me. I cna never recapture that, because I am so much better at playing now. :(
"There it is dude"
Really well said, Zack.
Some people seem to think taking the game at your own pace is not a good thing. It's nice when people are coordinated and optimized, no denying, but there's also something to be said about taking your time and playing as you like.
As a first time Classic player I've been loving just exploring the world and questing + running the occasional dungeon. I might only be 52 on my main, but the experience has been pretty positive.
Most of my leveling was through quests, I did dungeons for gear and got super roped into pvp. Was a great time and loved my experience.