The problem is not the Corkscrew. F1 drivers can use pretty much the same line as Indycar drivers to avoid bottoming out. The main problem with Laguna Seca is the limited seats for audience. If not enough people can attend your events, you can't generate enough money to maintain the track at Grade 1 (required for a track to be eligible to host a F1 grand prix) or Grade A (required for MotoGP). This is why they lost MotoGP and is what makes it impossible for them to host F1. So, it's not a technical issue, but a finnancial issue
That's why I miss The Indycars form de 90's. The cars by that time were much closer to F1. 7s from a Haas, 10s, 11s from a Mercedes. Indycars of today are too slow. Even slower than an F2. From a series that dared to compete with F1 in the past, it is just not enough. I expected more from them.
Actually, the car in the video is not a Haas but a Formula Hybrid 2021 by Race Sim Studio. I think the performance of this car is closer to the Mercedes than a Haas (it didn't spin 😂)
I guess they're just excepting the times. Motorsports is too expensive now. There was a time when endurance prototypes was also close to F1 but that succumbed to the cost. F1 only survives because of the politics in the background by powerful businessmen, sometimes corrupt.
I don't mind it. Indy doesn't have to be as fast as F1. It's a different series that runs multiple kinds of tracks for considerably less money. 2021 is the first year since 2018 that Hamilton has had a title rival. In IndyCar, I'd say at least 6 drivers have a real shot at this year's title. When was the last time F1 could say that?
Bro, you need to repeat that but at the Hermanos Rodríguez racetrack, with Patricio O'Ward's car vs Sergio Pérez's car, in a battle of Mexicans and what better than on a Mexican track
@@Mitsos1311 Indycar cars from the 90s were much faster, and had a much better layout. It was a series that had the audacity to compete with F1. Mansell, Andretti and Unser (father and son), Fittipaldi, Jaques Villeneuve, Montoya, Alexander Zanardi, and many others were big names who took the category to a world level. There were races not only in North America but also in Japan, Europe and even Brazil. But then came the stupid breakup in 1996 by Tony George who owns Indianapolis (with the help of Bernie Ecclestone), and then everything started to fall apart. Two separate categories were created, the CART (formerly Indycar) and the IRL that ran only on ovals ..... and also on the Indy 500. CART survived a few more years, but with the departures of the main teams, who preferred the IRL due to the marketing of winning the Indy 500, it soon fell into decay. But the IRL did not grow as expected. After all, it only ran on ovals with unknown or retired drivers. The two series only came together again in 2008, but the damage was done. To this day it never regained its popularity again. Now that Roger Penske has purchased not only the Indianapolis Speedway, but the entire series as well, there is a hope of returning to what it was. But now it is much more difficult ..... F1 has moved forward for years. Indycars are even slower than Super Formulas and F2. There is a lot of work to do.
@@eholanda01 agreed. 90s were the hay day of the spot. Guerrero in 92 with a track record of 232 mph qualifying crashes on the pace lap was hilarious. I believe luyendyke still holds the qualifying record of 234 mph. Sad that speeds still can't match those numbers 30 years later.
@@ymeshulin 241 MPH was his lap average. Was probably pulling close to 250 in the straights, an that was w/the hanford device. Helio holds the 'Official' Laguna lap record in the 2000 Penske Honda with a time of 1:07 An the cars back then were probably closer to a 1000HP before the pop-off valve regs came in.
Because Indycar teams don't build their own cars that's why it's competitive in terms of racing. But overall I think F1 is more competitive because of the technology & engineering & also the racing.
The difference betwéen those 2 cars is in the price When you spend millions dollars in aerodynamics and more in both frame and motors F1 is compulsary faster and Schumacher and Hamilton in the good car can win years and years Not the same in Indy cars And Indy cars are very beautiful And they are american God bless America
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Now we have both Indy and F1 Grosjean at once. The science is stepping forward a lot
Finally a HAAS leading the race!
IndyCars Colton Herta qualified a 1:10.7994 for Team Andretti AutoSport at Laguna Seca yesterday Sept 18th 2021. He later went on to win the race.
wish F1 would actualy race there but... corkscrew
The problem is not the Corkscrew. F1 drivers can use pretty much the same line as Indycar drivers to avoid bottoming out. The main problem with Laguna Seca is the limited seats for audience. If not enough people can attend your events, you can't generate enough money to maintain the track at Grade 1 (required for a track to be eligible to host a F1 grand prix) or Grade A (required for MotoGP). This is why they lost MotoGP and is what makes it impossible for them to host F1. So, it's not a technical issue, but a finnancial issue
@@JCMir98 and the fact that Laguna seca has a very limited schedule due to being near a residential area, similar to imola
Just Imagine the Mazespins that could happen at the corkscrew!!!
@@JCMir98 and its a bit dangerous
A F1 race there would be so boring, no place to overtake.
Love this track!!
Going to do an F1 hotlap on it soon!
R.I.P Gonchi Rodríguez, a legend of Indycar.
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1:19 That would been a good choice to let F1 do the switch from Circuit of the Americas to Laguna Seca(Dry Lake)
F1 Most Velocity in Turn
Indy most Velocity in run
Modern indycar is only faster than F1 with oval aero kit (very low downforce). With road aero kit it is approximately as fast on straights as F2.
@@FlyingF1nn its True man
I am Brazillian
Unofficial lap record: 1:05,786 in Ferrari F2003GA (Marc Gene)
this years Indycar field is stacked
That's why I miss The Indycars form de 90's. The cars by that time were much closer to F1. 7s from a Haas, 10s, 11s from a Mercedes. Indycars of today are too slow. Even slower than an F2. From a series that dared to compete with F1 in the past, it is just not enough. I expected more from them.
I didnt know that about the 90s IndyCar! I'll see if I can find an old mod for it and do another comparison!
Actually, the car in the video is not a Haas but a Formula Hybrid 2021 by Race Sim Studio. I think the performance of this car is closer to the Mercedes than a Haas (it didn't spin 😂)
I guess they're just excepting the times. Motorsports is too expensive now. There was a time when endurance prototypes was also close to F1 but that succumbed to the cost. F1 only survives because of the politics in the background by powerful businessmen, sometimes corrupt.
@@Mitsos1311 CART
I don't mind it. Indy doesn't have to be as fast as F1. It's a different series that runs multiple kinds of tracks for considerably less money. 2021 is the first year since 2018 that Hamilton has had a title rival. In IndyCar, I'd say at least 6 drivers have a real shot at this year's title. When was the last time F1 could say that?
170 likes, nice video ThatGreekGuy
I really wish the NASCAR Cup Series, the NASCAR Xfinity Series and the NASCAR Truck series would have a race in WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca
The last time IndyCar visited Laguna Seca the pole was 1:10.140 so you have some work to do.
Yeah, but I bet a F1 can reach less than 1:05.00
@@ItsLsloSand A F2003-GA 3.0 liter V10 F1 Ferrari clocked a 1:05.7 at Laguna 10 or so years ago.
Because this one is from a standing start and not a flying lap
Bruh not a flying lap
Remember Kids: IndyCar Doesn't Allow Power Steering.
The Indycar looks better, sounds better and is better for wheel to wheel racing. The only thing the F1 car has is cornering speed.
I really wish formula one would have the US Grand Prix in Monterey, California’s WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca
The corkscrew would destroy F1 cars
Bro, you need to repeat that but at the Hermanos Rodríguez racetrack, with Patricio O'Ward's car vs Sergio Pérez's car, in a battle of Mexicans and what better than on a Mexican track
nice track
You nice Cook👌
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i though that the haas would go into a wall
can you do the sicilian (Siracusa) gp?
Made in the Gavea Circuit
Over 1 minute in a modern F1 car?
Mazepin at Haas be like: s🅱inalla
About 4 seconds off a real lap set by an F1 car.
Ah yes
I suggest indianapolis inner course to test the two cars
And that's one of the slowest F1 cars
All the cars in that F1 mod are equal performance, it's just a Haas skin, not actually a model of Haas's car
This is what I call the Haas engine
Good
Can you do 1976-1994 Monza please?
😎😎
LOL! And that is HAAS, the SLOWEST team in F1.
Not in 2020
It would be the same result regardless of the car. It’s just the Haas livery.
Indycar are sport machine
Why am i seeing romain driving both cars? 😁
This actual indycar is a rubbish compared with the 90's car.
What was better about the 90s car? I am not very familiar with IndyCar
@@Mitsos1311 Indycar cars from the 90s were much faster, and had a much better layout. It was a series that had the audacity to compete with F1. Mansell, Andretti and Unser (father and son), Fittipaldi, Jaques Villeneuve, Montoya, Alexander Zanardi, and many others were big names who took the category to a world level. There were races not only in North America but also in Japan, Europe and even Brazil. But then came the stupid breakup in 1996 by Tony George who owns Indianapolis (with the help of Bernie Ecclestone), and then everything started to fall apart. Two separate categories were created, the CART (formerly Indycar) and the IRL that ran only on ovals ..... and also on the Indy 500. CART survived a few more years, but with the departures of the main teams, who preferred the IRL due to the marketing of winning the Indy 500, it soon fell into decay. But the IRL did not grow as expected. After all, it only ran on ovals with unknown or retired drivers. The two series only came together again in 2008, but the damage was done. To this day it never regained its popularity again. Now that Roger Penske has purchased not only the Indianapolis Speedway, but the entire series as well, there is a hope of returning to what it was. But now it is much more difficult ..... F1 has moved forward for years. Indycars are even slower than Super Formulas and F2. There is a lot of work to do.
At least today's Indycars are still faster than 2020 Ferrari
@@eholanda01 agreed. 90s were the hay day of the spot. Guerrero in 92 with a track record of 232 mph qualifying crashes on the pace lap was hilarious. I believe luyendyke still holds the qualifying record of 234 mph. Sad that speeds still can't match those numbers 30 years later.
@@ymeshulin 241 MPH was his lap average. Was probably pulling close to 250 in the straights, an that was w/the hanford device. Helio holds the 'Official' Laguna lap record in the 2000 Penske Honda with a time of 1:07 An the cars back then were probably closer to a 1000HP before the pop-off valve regs came in.
Now compare F1 vs HAAS haha
The indy dp01 from 2007 were faster than f1 on that track.
LOL No F1 Ferrari F2003 GA beat the laguna sec record in 2012. They used a car from 2003.
Surprised you would pick a Haas F1 car for this comparison, given how unstable the cars already look this season.
I picked Haas cause it's the American team in F1 (although barely lol)
With the mod he's using all the cars are equal as far as I know, they just have different skins
The Haas is already turn on?
But, the races on Indycar are more exciting than F1
Its like a GP 2 car?
The Indy would win vs the hass
Imagine locking up before that fast downhill chicane
Corkscrew
Yet the track record is held by a Champ Car.
Many we know that f1 is faster than indy. The thing is that indycar is way more competitive racing.
@Scom Tott as well as indylights, im not talking about 2 class series.
Because Indycar teams don't build their own cars that's why it's competitive in terms of racing. But overall I think F1 is more competitive because of the technology & engineering & also the racing.
@@F3RRO1 I disagree but I know that f1 teams build their own car.
ok but tbh, would it be the real Haas F1 car, the Indycar would have a good chance of winning the battle... sadly i have to say
No it wouldnt. Haas F1 is still faster
Prefer Indy over f1 anytime
F1 Isn't a spec racing series though. F2 is a spec series and it's comparable to Indy.
Lol
Can u do 1 fast lap on spa on the mclaren Mp4/x
Should've used F3 car instead
F2 would be closer
This isn’t really a fair comparison because Indy only does rolling starts and isn’t meant for standing starts
But the F1 would still do a quicker lap
What's up with the audio?
should have picked a better car instead of a haas, then it wouldn't be close ;)
The difference betwéen those 2 cars is in the price
When you spend millions dollars in aerodynamics and more in both frame and motors
F1 is compulsary faster and Schumacher and Hamilton in the good car can win years and years
Not the same in Indy cars
And Indy cars are very beautiful
And they are american
God bless America
Get your eyes checked.. Indy cars are ugly as f*** !!