Dark Forces Remastered is Fantastic - REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 2 мар 2024
- From the enhanced visuals to the updated mechanics, let's break down all the reasons why this game is a must-play for fans of the original Star Wars: Dark Forces!
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I did the modelling for the ships, so yes they are 3D-models. I didn't see the cutscenes until after the release either. Was very happy with the result!
awesome work!😊
Fantastic work man!
@@evprince Thank you!
@@oilfoil3866 Thank you!
You did a spectacular job.
Thank you 👍
Lets be honest here. I think we're really lucky to have gotten this remaster. When you look at all the Star Wars games (both new and remake) that have been announced almost 99% of them have been canceled. And some of them were almost ready to be launched.
I suppose.
The redone art and cut scenes are nice. But is it worth the 30?
I guess one can argue simply supporting the thing can lead to better things in the future, still a hard sell and I don't need to explain exactly why that is (Do I? 😉Trying to be respectful of the channel but I can name names if I need to).
It's truly a cursed IP. There's so much money to be made from Star Wars games, but the industry seemingly doesn't want to capitalise on it.
@@docsavage4921yeah its real great , first non aspyre game here!
But this game is impossible without "walkthrough" the first time
From Jedi acedemy the stopped the endless halways and computers that look the same 😂
Its a real door game tho, its incredible how shooting Sprites can be still so door with a graphic update! It looks real nice the models.
Even worse some who were just a band of pixels, now have a face and litterly look 1 on 1 like the movies.
Its hilarious to findthe general in his prison.....
Just a sprite waiting there for you.
Its really nice ❤😂
@docsavage4921 If you have to ask, maybe it's not for you? Maybe you're too young? This is a dream come true for everyone who remembers the old days. The controls play like a dream play like a dream compared to playing it on either PC or PSX back in the day, and there was no control customization for the old game, you just had to adapt to it.
@@docsavage4921I'd say, try before you buy, through means necessary. To me, it's not worth 30 even though I have some nostalgia for it from the Mac version, but I'll probably pick it up if there's a sale. These kind of remasters of old games should not go for more than 10-15 imho.
I hope Nightdive do more Star Wars titles from the 90s, hopefully the rest of the Jedi Knight series.
Ill be getting this and play it via Steam Deck
Jedi Knight and Mysteries of the Sith need remasters. Not just because they're actually very hard to get running on a modern PC. Jedi Outcast and Academy don't need it as much as we have seen re-releases on modern platforms, and it's not hard to get them running on modern PCs (not to mention graphical upgrade mods), but a remaster with better facial animations would still be appreciated.
Wow, I've watched at least 3 or 4 overviews of this remaster so far and not one has mentioned the weapon-select wheel. Thanks for this addition! Totally agree the price is justified with just how much work was dumped in to this project, and purchasing it is a vote with our wallets for what we want to value in remasters.
Wow can't believe so many missed that! It's a great feature!
Finished a playthrough on Medium difficulty yesterday and really had a blast. I remember this game from my childhood and felt it was well worth the 30 dollars. Shoot, it was $45 plus $5 shipping on release in 1995, or $101 in 2024 dollars! Great review.
About the music - the I-MUSE MIDI soundtrack is tricky because it dynamically changes based on the action. For that reason, it had to remain as a MIDI soundtrack. The timing issue is a known bug, and I-MUSE running on modern hardware using modern soundfonts is the culprit. I've heard Nightdive is aware and hasn't found a way to fix it. It might have been nice to have a static soundtrack option in actual audio files for this reason, but then the player would lose the dynamic audio, so it's a win/lose either way.
I really want this remaster to be released on physical disc by Limited Run with a big box like in the 90s
While I agree with your sentiment at 8:28, I do think ND could have released the game at the $19.99 price point and avoid basically all of the controversy... With that said however, in the interest of hopefully getting similar treatment for the other games in the DF/JK series, I would purchase it again. Great video! Thanks for speaking on that.
Nightdive blessing us with some bangers lately
This is so awesome. I really really really hope they get the chance to remaster and polish JKDFII!
I spent $27 on food last night that I ate in ten minutes. $30 to replay the favorite game from my childhood, that I spent hundreds of hours playing and making custom levels for from 1995 to 1999ish. It's a great value for the polished product they have put forward. I'm 40 years old and this makes me feel 12 all over again.
Ok, so next time they make it 40 for you. It's just bla bla bla. In the end it's the same 30 year old game with a some shiny new polish, but still lacking several quality of life improvements/options.
@@stoomkracht What other quality of life improvements could you want? Too much more would detract from the game's original charm.
@@stoomkracht What quality of life improvements is it lacking? It plays exactly like I remember it except with modern controls and high resolution. What else could I possibly want?
I completed my playthrough of Dark Forces Remaster yesterday morning and enjoyed it. Got all achievements for it also making it my newest of my 38 Perfect Games on Steam that I rock as of writing this comment. I'm a big fan of both Star Wars and first person shooter games so this is a remaster I'm happy officially happened! I hope that they'll be remasters of other classic Star Wars games like Jedi Knight, Jedi Knight 2, Shadow of the Empire, and others. Awesome video review of an awesome remaster of an awesome game!
I would certainly say they did remaster a fair amount of visuals for exterior parts of cut scenes. They did however to me retain that character rendering moments. I refer to moments where characters are talking like Kyle Katarn and Mon Mothma, General Mohc and Darth Vader. Also the shadow step out moment with a certain bounty hunter. The various planets visited look mostly as I remember them though updated visuals. I remember some levels quite well. Others were as confusing as they were 30 years in terms of layout. Also one never forgets the various sound effects. The trophy names on the PlayStation version are definitely poking fun at the game. I mean this in a good natured way like what the phrik in reference to one of the metals for making the Dark Troopers.
I just bought this today. This game is brutal like Doom! I never knew there was this Star Wars game ever till i saw last week the trailer about it. I have a few Star Wars games, Force Unleashed 1 and 2, Fallen Order! Can't wait for the original Battlefront games. I have always wanted those but could never found them.
Put me in the "worth $30" camp. There's a LOT of effort put in here from a technological stand point and in redoing all the art by hand - if paying an extra $10 takes me from a minimal port with AI upscaling to a thoughtful remake with a passionate team, I'll pay the extra $10. That's what, a Big Mac combo nowadays? Is that what we're arguing about? I especially want them to give this level of treatment to DFII Jedi Knight, so I'm happy to vote with my wallet.
Same here.
Oh man Id love a full remake of Shadows of the Empire, make it more cinematic and tie into the star wars universe a little less awkwardly. Make Dash Rendar a canonical character who personally id pick Scott Eastwood to play mainly because he looks like all the comic book art but also because hes got the scoudrel/Smuggler look.
Thank you for a very well reasoned conclusion about the price tag. It's certainly OK if people wait for a sale.
But dear God, the Steam forums for this game is chock full of toxicity in what should otherwise be a happy occasion for people who loved the original game.
So it's just refreshing to see positive content like this that also give fair criticism to the remaster's shortcomings.
I really hope this means we eventually get the rest of the dark forces and jedi games.
Other than the god awful ridiculous price, this remaster was great
$30 in 2024 is like two McDonald's combo meals these days.
There's nothing wrong with this price. It's a beautifully executed remaster. If they most they could get was ten bucks it would have had to have been a slapped together buggy piece of shit to even be economically feasible at all.
We should be so lucky that a studio put together a solid effort like this at any price.
While I I would like to see more remasters and I get what you're saying about sending a message for that, I don't want to send the message that I am willing to overpay for a remaster. It's just not worth $30 and I don't want future remasters to be overpriced, too... especially since I already have the original game on steam anyway.
This game was my childhood growing up. My dad originally had a demo disc that only had the first 3 levels of the game, so the only time I ever got to play this in its entirety was on the PlayStation 1. I personally thought the price of the game was fair considering that they must of had to acquire the game from Disney and with however much they were offering to sell it for with their license cost.
I've bought it for the 30$ and think Nightsive deserve every penny of it for their work. I am having a blast with this game. I never played it back in the day, though it's successors. Here is hoping for more classic remasters.
I have yet to play the remaster (or finish the original game, for that matter) but I'm not sure a new OST would sound much different from the Jedi Outcast or Academy OSTs. I did attempt to play the original game a long time ago, and I vividly remember the entire first level was just using chiptune remixes of the Death Star tracks from Episode IV. Most Star Wars games from that era (2000-2012) have consistently been using remixed cuts of John Williams' various pieces from the original trilogy and/or prequels, with very little original music.
I think I will pick up the remaster at some point but I do feel 30 bucks is a gouge. I'll buy it because I want to see more games remade fully, not just halfway between remaster and remake like this is. But I fear that the fans' collective support for this release will not be interpreted as "we will pay good money for high-quality remakes and remasters" but rather "we will pay any price for a cash grab preying upon our nostalgia." I think this Dark Forces remaster works because it fits into the same genre as wholly new games made in a similar style, such as Warhammer 40k Boltgun. But I'd much rather have an Unreal Engine remake of the entire Dark Forces/Jedi Knight franchise, maybe even with lightsaber combat lifted from Respawn's Jedi games.
Dark Forces isn't from that era exactly, it came out in 1995. A lot of the music isn't midi versions of music from the movie after the first level.
@@philipchurch8772I should have clarified, I was saying Outcast and Academy are from that era, I know this was a 90's game. I remember seeing it on a shelf in Staples when I was a little kid. But I have since bought the remaster and I'm about halfway through it, and I can still tell most of the music is copied from the OT. A properly orchestrated soundtrack would still sound about the same as Outcast or Academy's OSTs.
Hey Evan, you should review Galactic Battlegrounds and it's campaigns i'm sure it's up your alley with the expanded universe and it's references build around the gameplay.
Yeah I plan to actually!
I've beaten Dark Forces dozens of times (probably more than any other game) since 1995, even did a Twitch stream of myself playing it, and I loved the remaster! I wish it had a bit more content, like basic multiplayer or mod support, like the Bethesda Doom ports, but I otherwise love it, especially how crisp everythong looks. It plays nice and smooth on my Switch.
Also, I loved Rogue One, but I miss Kyle and Jan, and the Legends era.
Played the original on PS1 back in the day.
It was a bad port but I had fun.
Never got further than 10% through due to difficulty and jank.
Finally completed the game in Remastered form and loved every minute.
I'm currently playing DF2: Jedi Knight on pc because I intend to play the entire Katarn Saga from beginning to end for the first time.
I'm loving it.
I can only pray that Nightdive or another company will remaster DF2 and MOTS because the control scheme and graphics are the only parts I don't love.
I have Jedi Outcast and Academy on PS5 (haven't played them yet, not till I complete DF2) so I'd love to complete the collection.
Can't believe I'm actually enjoying Star Wars again.
Nightdive has earned my trust because every remaster of theirs that I have played is excellent, and their remake of System Shock is also quite good
Yea its expensive being 40$ cad for what it is but i bought to show i want dark forces 2 remastered
Fun Fact: If you're playing on Steam you can actually play some custom missions that were made for the original version.
Added weapon wheel?? Thats awesome.
It needs a manual save system because it doesn't work with game resume. This forces you to redo large portions of a level, if you have to leave the house because it won't resume when you get back.
I’ll buy. You convinced me.
after playing this i want a dark forces 2 (and mots) remaster so bad. fortunately, there is an unofficial mod that remasters the graphics of dark forces 2 and mots that is continually being updated. A channel called general tantor has videos about it
The music should be midi imo but it doesn't sound as good as a sound blaster. Doing it with wave audio makes imuse a lot harder to implement
I’ll get this when it’s on sale for my switch. Love it but $30 is a bit steep. Dark Forces 2, on the other hand, would have me paying at launch. If they remaster that I hope they keep the same cutscenes. That level of overacting is timeless.
Looks like it's well worth $30 to me.
You should do a review/retrospective on Outlaws by Lucasarts! It’s made on the same engine as Dark Forces, but it’s a western FPS and it’s my all time favorite game! The soundtrack alone is top 5 game soundtracks of all time!
Hmm I hadn't considered but it sounds like a good idea to look into!
I think part of the reason that they didn't do much more on the music, is because Dark Forces had a semi-interactive music composition that interacted with the tension level of the moment in the game, so to speak.
It was another revolutionary thing that they did in the game, besides the jumping, panning up and down and more.
Something which was enabled, almost by design of the digital MIDI music.
If they wanted to do it with updated music, they'd have to make a whole score, with several recorded music-tempo changes, which in our day and age, is a very expensive, complex procedure.
I could imagine that Nightdive, could they have the opportunity, would offer as a patch, free DLC or others and I am in agreement, that they should do so.
But I do not see it as a detraction at all.
While I have been steeped into Star Wars for decades, Dark Forces was one of the very few SW games I hadn't played until this release, even when the original DOS version was available on Steam.
I started out with Dark Forces 2, given to me by my god-father, when I was a wee kid.
Didn't know it was Star Wars at the time though. It was just a game I liked.
I was too young and not able to understand English and had no concept of SWEU until later.
Only after I got a hold of X-Wing Alliance and couple of years later, the novels, that something clicked and I understood the whole connected universe of SW.
Further, price-wise I think the $30/€30 is worth it.
I get the impression that most who are complaining about it, are those that already own some sort of copy.
But this is a game that, upon release in 1995, was essentially a AAA game, was massively revolutionary for genre (FPS), franchise-games, technology and story telling.
It's been fully remade apart from dialogue and can run problem free on basically anything.
For 1st time purchases it's a solid price.
And comparing it to the recent slew of 2.5D shooters thats been coming out, like Ion Fury, the past couple of years, which are at $25 currently 5 years after release, is in my opinion, fair.
8:42
Add to that, it also sends a message that Star Wars Expanded Universe (Legends) is still a money maker.
Unlike... * cough * Di$ney-verse products.
Truth
The music in this remaster is also out of sync ...that's a big thing to not fix for a $30 game
Lets hope they do Dark Forces 2 and Mysteries of the Sith soon!
JEDI KNIGHT REMASTERED NOW! SPEAK WITH YOUR WALLET AND GET THIS GREENLIT!
NightDive should do us a BIG favor the Star Wars Gaming Community: REMASTER every Star Wars game made by LUCASART
I hope they also remaster df2 and (fingers crossed) shadows of the empire and the rogue squadron games.
6:37 Mark Grisky (KotOR2)!
I look like Kyle Katarn by the way!
Cost was probably the main issue for not having a new score. I'm cool with it. I can't imagine what you've have to pay people to re-do the score.
Dark Forces without the. Midi file OST just sounds cursed.
Waiting on someone to remaster rebellion/supremacy. It would be nice to see it with a fresh look
If you already have the original would you recommend getting the remaster?
Maybe if you see it on sale.
Played and finished, it took me 5,5 hrs with bonus level.
Jedi Knight is so far the only Kyle Katarn game you can’t play on modern consoles, I’m hoping Nightdive can rectify that if this does well.
Just waiting for a Rogue Squadron remaster :s
Is this hard? I remember struggling with it as a kid
Finally someone who understands that thirty dollars is not a rip off compared to modern day games
A shame they didn’t make an IOS version since it’s basically just a doom clone and they already put that game on iOS.
so are we gonna get dark forces 2 or what?? asking for a friend....
Are you gonna put the Budokai Trilogy reviews in one massive video composed of your previous DBZ reviews?
Yes! Well something like that.
@@evprince Can’t wait to see it🤠.
I’m also looking forward to when you eventually review the Budokai Tenkaichi games (Raging Blast 1 and 2 also apparently count as parts of the installments for whatever reason. Never really understood it but it is what it is)
@@user-gh8kw1iv1l making my way there for sure! I'm hyped about the Tenchaichi games.
They should’ve included music from the movies like DF2 but let you switch to the midi songs
Unlike every other game in the Dark Forces series a lot of the music in Dark Forces is original. It doesn't have movie equivalents.
I'd hope the fans could mod some things so the characters don't just stay 2d but idk how much I care
I wanted to test out this remaster's gyro/motion implementation for dualshock 4/dualsense controllers to see if Nightdive has made any improvemts and additions from their previous implementations. I don't want to give disney any of my money though, so that'll have to wait.
I disagree with the music. I want that nostalgic soundtrack from when i played it as a child. Changing the soundtrack is tantamount to sacrilege
$30 on the Nintendo store…I was thinking like $10. It is a 30 year old game lol
I'm excited to play this remake! I only about 25 years late to play the original...
Should have been a remake, shooting sprites just doesn't do it for me
The price is okay. Disney will get a big piece of the cake and so does Atari. After that comes the fee for the shops the game is on. Night Dive will get not much out of it.
The crying about the $30 price tag is silly. They could have always just not done the project for lack of opportunity to recover their costs on relatively low volume. It's not like they are going to sell millions of copies like the latest Call of Duty.
I'd pay $30 for these guys to handle any of my favorite games from the 90s.
I think it's when you compare to other games, take Streets of Rage 4 or new TMNT those are entirely brand new with a ton of content at only $25. The Crash trilogy is 3 fully remade games at just 40, that's when it get scrutinized.
This games should have been remade, not remastered.
Hard pass.
Frankly Dark Forces isn't even that good. I'll pull out my Jedi Academy discs if I need to scratch that Star Wars fix.
That or play Duke Forces, that mod is insanely fun, it can convert any user map into.a Star Wars themed one.
Unpopular opinion: the fan made force engine remaster did everything the nightdive one did minus the cutscenes. I literally just bought the remaster to compare and there really isn’t much of a change. We’re paying 30$ for redone cutscenes and a better menu….
Yes, especially the review copies are all so blatantly positive. Most didn't even notice the price-point I guess. It is a repetitive game anyway. I enjoyed it back in the day ages ago, but now... pew pew pew. Fun for 15 minutes. Empty same same environments.
These are fair points, lads. I feel it's worth mentioning that I did not receive a review copy. Bought it just like everyone else.
It's steep for sure, but I felt it was worth it
SX VERSION IS TERRIBLE! 30FPS, no manual saving. Game breakers!
too expensive